It was torture to watch XD like had had nice stacks, why play risky at that point !? AND i think he kinda misses the point in Q Build and lvl 1, its not about the dmg you get while doing quest, its the reward, plus the % dmg vs 2 AND lvl 20 upgrade, just the extra bit of burst you get to allready burst heavy keal that makes the lvl 1 quest good ! Like yes, i know the value is based on the situation and team comp, but it really has its place ! I have had some really good top dmg games w full Q build
AND the placement att 12.30 XD like you gotta play SUPER safe untill 20 stacks, he was just standing in the open, full knowing stich had hook and the eating ultimate, even backed by valla, oh well, was a fun vid anyway
@@dismissedend4276 How dorky are you? You think pally is a child and petty enough too die in his game to try and prove a point, when his words about the build were plenty to explain why it is bad?
"Blind as a bat" have a CD reduction when landing the final swing on heroes, that's how he got it so soon, also, there is a %health talent for that specific hit of the Q, so Malganis can use it as a tell to know when he is hitting the enemies successfully so you spend less time hitting air not knowing.
The thing with convection is that you have to play very safe and prioritize stacks over other gameplay elements until you finish the quest. You can't play the way you normally would, even if that means doing less with the objectives. I think the people cry out for another try at this one.
In reviewing the critics of pally, the convection enjoyers as it were, the real benefit to flame strike is minion wave clear and objectives like braxis. This upside is rarely felt as you need to focus on flamestrike stacking rather than minion waves. This damage quickly peters out in effectiveness post level 10 you should be fine hitting waves. Although it can be nice on maps like braxis and hanamura where you fight over fixed point objectives. The significant downsides of losing stacks for deaths is absolutle lunacy making the talent a significant risk for okayish returns. Mana addict in contrast stacks your mana and also gives a fatty shields shoring up KT's two prime weaknesses his mana consumption and the fact he is a squishy backliner with no mobility ability. If the choice isn't clear or why pally didn't do this in the first video.... Its cos Pally the magnificent beast that he is rubbed about 3 brain cells together looking at the choice and chose correctly. Because it isn't a choice convection is shit.
Thing is, it’s just not a good talent. It only works well against lower health heroes who can’t sustain against that extra 200 damage, and even then it’s really only good early game if you can complete the quest in the first 3-5 minutes. In that case, the damage is actually really high and matters. Because it doesn’t scale, it doesn’t matter as much in the late game. It does get the benefit of applying twice with the flamestrike that goes off twice, but that only matters if both blasts hit. It has great potential, but as you play against higher tier players, convection gets less value as players know better how to dodge it and know to focus you down.
To be fair, 200 more AOE damage early game is pretty big, but it drops off towards the late game. If you magically finish the quest at lvl1 it's a massive 58% increase, but even at lvl 10 it's only dropped to just below 40% extra damage. At lvl 30 it's only 17% though, so it's very much a talent you'd take for when the enemy team is likely to be clumped up a lot and you expect/need to win fast. For example vs. a Vikings comp it could be good, because you stack on the 4 man deathball and you'd wanna win before the Vikings manage to soak you out of the game anyway, so it's gonna be a noticeable damage increase.
To give credit where credit is due, 200 extra damage can matter when the flamestrike goes off twice and both hit, making it 400 damage and if you hit multiple heroes that can be an extra 800-1200+ damage on top of the % damage and base damage. It can be good. But against more skilled players, it just doesn’t make much difference compared to the other options. At my tier of play (plat to diamond) this talent isn’t used often and is something I’m happy to see a KT take if I’m against them. It gives my team an advantage as long as we can pressure him and keeps KT playing passively until he gets it.
Oh man. Have you seen the Dbag Nova video from years ago? He played the super lame but most popular Nova build at the time and EVERY cast of Triple Tap is accompanied by Pally yelling "IT'S THE BEST ULT IN THE GAME!!" Hilarious stuff.
If you were allowed to stack after 20, it would be broken. I'd rather it was like butchers in that you never lost your full stack on death, just a part of it.
Blind as a Bat reduces cooldown when you hit with the third strike. So if everyone just stands on you while you hit them while blind, you can almost have it off of cooldown before it ends...
🤣 Some of these comments are so salty. Are You Not Entertained? Are You Not Entertained? Is This Not Why You Are Here? Lol, I had a good time watching this.
Would like to see a video about the big (by 2024 standards) new patch with a fair bit of balance changes! It's like what, the third patch so far this year?
"I guess you'll just have to imagine what my flamestrike looks like with 200 more damage" oh no no no, it does not work like that Pally, you need to complete the quest :)
Convection oven has one great aspect, Phycological. You can bait the other team to over extend with it. "he is hi stacks, Need to kill him before he gets it!!!" bait 3 of them to kill you and get three kills. get three kills for one death and your stacks that don't really matter... YES!
If the enemy team members are stupid enough to vastly overextend to try and kill a KT farming a shitty ability like convection, you were going to wipe the floor with that team regardless.
One of the issues with this is that you kept talking up MA, but it really wouldn't have done anything this match either. It wouldn't have saved you when you died, nor were you oom much either
I took a much needed break from a very disheartening politcal video on the excessive loss of life durring the pandemic and the Australian Government copability and lack of member of parliment recognition on the matter. Thank goodness for Pally, I needed a brief distraction.
Just a PSA for the rest of chat. Convection may have good damage but at the cost of backing after a full combo. Also the pain of having to play scared the entire match isn’t worth it.
I'm surprised that there are people who still upload content for Heroes of the Storm because I thought the game was dead so they wouldn't put more content in it (I'm not saying it's bad or that I'm making fun of it or anything like that) because the heroes are my favorite game for years and I hope some company takes it so it can go back to how it was before
Convection is not as good as mana? Totally agree, yet...that moment when you lose all the stacks for getting out of the meka just in from of the towers...kinda triggers, not gonna lie 😂
It was almost as if he was waiting until he got some stacks built up and then tried to die... "oh no, I died... see that's why I don't like this talent"
Convection could use a rework... maybe make it multiple stage reward talent, where at 5 stacks, Q gives mana back on enemies hit, at 10 stacks, you no longer lose them after death, at 15 reduce mana cost of Q and at 20 get extra dmg spike on top of the baseline scaling. Or something like that. Alternatively only losing half of it on death like greymane could be cool, or make it a baseline talent that stacks infinitely and give 5 damage per stack then extra 50 damage per each 5 stacks. Overally though, I do quite agree that mocking a talent you're "showcasing", that you didn't even get to properly showcase due to not completing the quest wasn't fun. Especially against this team, where you had plenty of big low mobility targets to hit while having a relative safety on your team. It did showcase that losing the stacks is definitely quite punishing though and generally in most games you are definitely better off picking mana addict. Still, as KT main for some time now, going for Q build and not picking Convection somehow feels just weird. Especially since if you dont pick it, theres little reason to go Fury of the Sunwell at 16 instead of Ignite, since the poke from Ignite is almost like cheating.
in the end your flamestrike did 792 dmg to valla. 200 wouldve been a 25% increase. thats not bad. its not good either, especiialy compared to mana addict. but its not nothing
Yeah - I pulled up a talent calculator to do the math after the video too. It's not the best talent for sure - but 25% extra damage on a spell that can easily hit 3+ members of the enemy team (twice even!) is nothing to sneeze at. You just have to play cautious when you pick it until quest completion. Which ... someone ... did not.
@@LacticAcid672 still the scaling is low. 20 heroes is to many for losing them upon death. Either make the cap 400 dmg or increase the dmg to 10 per hit Or just remove the lost upon death
Sorry to say Pally but you DID say in the first video you're going to make it deal "the most damage possible" then didn't take convection oven, which makes that statement false
I have never criticized the way you play Pally, but when you go this build, when you get to 15 stacks, you must become a paranoid sniper until you get to 20. Twice in that game you had over 15 stacks and continued to play with reckless abandon. I would have been upset with you as a teammate.
A highly opinionated group is code for people who are wrong and have made that Pally's problem. The only good thing about Convection is it lets you know that the player doesn't know how to play Kael'thas.
I watch Pally's HOTS videos since 2014 and I genuinely enjoy them. This is the first time ever I have disliked one of his video. Couldn't watch it till the end. Every third word making fun of Convection is too much . This felt so forced. The cherry on top was when he exited the mech under tower between 3 enemy heroes, so that he can die so that he can continue to make fun of this talent.
Pally: *Surrounded by the enemy team right at their wall*. Also Pally: "This seems like a great time to leave the safety of the giant robot."
i literally screamed "DON'T!" when he said that
For some reason yelling NOOOO didn’t stop him
It was torture to watch XD like had had nice stacks, why play risky at that point !? AND i think he kinda misses the point in Q Build and lvl 1, its not about the dmg you get while doing quest, its the reward, plus the % dmg vs 2 AND lvl 20 upgrade, just the extra bit of burst you get to allready burst heavy keal that makes the lvl 1 quest good ! Like yes, i know the value is based on the situation and team comp, but it really has its place ! I have had some really good top dmg games w full Q build
AND the placement att 12.30 XD like you gotta play SUPER safe untill 20 stacks, he was just standing in the open, full knowing stich had hook and the eating ultimate, even backed by valla, oh well, was a fun vid anyway
AND AND the 200 + extra dmg is kinda a bad way of thinking, its more like + 600 extra dmg w the two time Q and % dmg
We will not rest until Pally completes Convection's quest.
Never ever get in the robot if you have a quest that resets on death. The enemy team will always dive the robot occupants as soon as it expires.
Also you can't stack while in it.
he shouldnt have been in there in the first place. hows he gonna complete his quest if he cant flamestrike
This build was worth it for Pally's laughter & merriment from the match!
"Let's count up by 5 till we don't."
LOL. Why... why... why, did you get out of the giant Mech? Followed by that rage. Pally, you make me laugh. Love your channel :D
yeah, that was an incredibly rookie mistake. He should've just walked back to the towers and got out. Part of me feels like it was done on purpose
@@dismissedend4276 How dorky are you? You think pally is a child and petty enough too die in his game to try and prove a point, when his words about the build were plenty to explain why it is bad?
@@deafdanny6299 Yes. I AM that dorky. I suspect we all are.
11:42 Minion: Get down Mr. President!
"Blind as a bat" have a CD reduction when landing the final swing on heroes, that's how he got it so soon, also, there is a %health talent for that specific hit of the Q, so Malganis can use it as a tell to know when he is hitting the enemies successfully so you spend less time hitting air not knowing.
The thing with convection is that you have to play very safe and prioritize stacks over other gameplay elements until you finish the quest. You can't play the way you normally would, even if that means doing less with the objectives. I think the people cry out for another try at this one.
Thank you for more consistently showing the stats screen at the end
In reviewing the critics of pally, the convection enjoyers as it were, the real benefit to flame strike is minion wave clear and objectives like braxis. This upside is rarely felt as you need to focus on flamestrike stacking rather than minion waves. This damage quickly peters out in effectiveness post level 10 you should be fine hitting waves. Although it can be nice on maps like braxis and hanamura where you fight over fixed point objectives. The significant downsides of losing stacks for deaths is absolutle lunacy making the talent a significant risk for okayish returns. Mana addict in contrast stacks your mana and also gives a fatty shields shoring up KT's two prime weaknesses his mana consumption and the fact he is a squishy backliner with no mobility ability. If the choice isn't clear or why pally didn't do this in the first video.... Its cos Pally the magnificent beast that he is rubbed about 3 brain cells together looking at the choice and chose correctly. Because it isn't a choice convection is shit.
@MFPallytime your one of my heros because you never gave up on hots
I will never be able to unsee this thumb nail.
It's called the "Infinite Stacks" Convection build variant. :D
And Pally played it to perfection really... GG WP
I love it when KTs pick Convection. It btings me great joy when they die with only one more stack remaining on quest completion.
Convection maybe the feastless or faminest Level 1 in the game but you can’t deny when something is “Effective.”
Pally: constantly ridicule conviction.
Also pally: fails to finish the quest.
Sure pally sure
Thing is, it’s just not a good talent. It only works well against lower health heroes who can’t sustain against that extra 200 damage, and even then it’s really only good early game if you can complete the quest in the first 3-5 minutes. In that case, the damage is actually really high and matters. Because it doesn’t scale, it doesn’t matter as much in the late game. It does get the benefit of applying twice with the flamestrike that goes off twice, but that only matters if both blasts hit.
It has great potential, but as you play against higher tier players, convection gets less value as players know better how to dodge it and know to focus you down.
You have to complete it Pally - that 200 damage is insane! :D
I like to think that Pally was laughing just as hard making this video's title card as he did in the game.
OMG 200 extra damage that's so good! I especially love how it doesn't scale with your level, such a great talent!
To be fair, 200 more AOE damage early game is pretty big, but it drops off towards the late game. If you magically finish the quest at lvl1 it's a massive 58% increase, but even at lvl 10 it's only dropped to just below 40% extra damage. At lvl 30 it's only 17% though, so it's very much a talent you'd take for when the enemy team is likely to be clumped up a lot and you expect/need to win fast. For example vs. a Vikings comp it could be good, because you stack on the 4 man deathball and you'd wanna win before the Vikings manage to soak you out of the game anyway, so it's gonna be a noticeable damage increase.
To give credit where credit is due, 200 extra damage can matter when the flamestrike goes off twice and both hit, making it 400 damage and if you hit multiple heroes that can be an extra 800-1200+ damage on top of the % damage and base damage. It can be good. But against more skilled players, it just doesn’t make much difference compared to the other options. At my tier of play (plat to diamond) this talent isn’t used often and is something I’m happy to see a KT take if I’m against them. It gives my team an advantage as long as we can pressure him and keeps KT playing passively until he gets it.
Always a blast to see Chef Pally in his kitchen cooking up a storm, even when the enemies come out al dente.
At the end there at level 20 your Flamestrike is doing about 800 damage, 200 extra damage on top is a 25% increase. Honestly, that's not too bad ;)
New favorite thing: Make pally do shit he doesn't like and hear him complain and be sarcastic about it!😂
Oh man. Have you seen the Dbag Nova video from years ago? He played the super lame but most popular Nova build at the time and EVERY cast of Triple Tap is accompanied by Pally yelling "IT'S THE BEST ULT IN THE GAME!!" Hilarious stuff.
Playing a pvp build that requires stacks without dying yet repeatedly over extending, pveing, and jumping into the robot. Classic Pallytime.
I gotta say, that's the best thumbnail I've seen in awhile 🤌🤌
I'm 5 minutes in to this video and have heart palpitations, how do people play with this fucking talent.
It also allowed you to cast 200 more shade at convection!
We will not rest until Pally completes Convection's quest
It should work like The Butcher's quest; you don't lose stacks after you complete the quest, and you get to continue stacking beyond 20.
If you were allowed to stack after 20, it would be broken. I'd rather it was like butchers in that you never lost your full stack on death, just a part of it.
Blind as a Bat reduces cooldown when you hit with the third strike.
So if everyone just stands on you while you hit them while blind, you can almost have it off of cooldown before it ends...
Great video. Enjoying the KT guides.
Top tier commentary as usual.
Please redo this build I would love to see you complete it!
🤣 Some of these comments are so salty. Are You Not Entertained? Are You Not Entertained? Is This Not Why You Are Here? Lol, I had a good time watching this.
Would like to see a video about the big (by 2024 standards) new patch with a fair bit of balance changes! It's like what, the third patch so far this year?
"I guess you'll just have to imagine what my flamestrike looks like with 200 more damage" oh no no no, it does not work like that Pally, you need to complete the quest :)
My stitches and valla hurt so bad.
Pally is having way too much fun with this one LOL
6:42 lol
Need another! Gotta get that quest complete!
you can't move on from KT until you finish the quest
That's a spicy K T
Convection oven has one great aspect, Phycological. You can bait the other team to over extend with it. "he is hi stacks, Need to kill him before he gets it!!!" bait 3 of them to kill you and get three kills. get three kills for one death and your stacks that don't really matter... YES!
If the enemy team members are stupid enough to vastly overextend to try and kill a KT farming a shitty ability like convection, you were going to wipe the floor with that team regardless.
So glad. It's so OP if ya can get the quest done
Convection oven needs to be done for this video to count!
not at all, this shows off the talent perfectly well 👍
I was expecting you to augment after the malganis slept several enemies, could be a decent combo
Your laugh is infectious
One of the issues with this is that you kept talking up MA, but it really wouldn't have done anything this match either. It wouldn't have saved you when you died, nor were you oom much either
Just re downloaded the game after a really really long time. Holy shit I had a lot of skins 😭
Is this game still any good seems fun still.
Pally please... you know we wont rest until you finished a game with completed convecntion quest !!! 😂😅😊😊
Best HoTs cjannel ever
I took a much needed break from a very disheartening politcal video on the excessive loss of life durring the pandemic and the Australian Government copability and lack of member of parliment recognition on the matter.
Thank goodness for Pally, I needed a brief distraction.
I meam, people do take the talent, so showing the build does fit the concept of showing all the builds even if it clearly is bad, heh heh
On the short list for "Pally's Opus".
As a level 75ish KT, I will stand by my opinion of convention being a trap talent for KT
Isn't it 200-2000 bonus dmg depending on how many are caught in the 2 strikes?
Just a PSA for the rest of chat. Convection may have good damage but at the cost of backing after a full combo. Also the pain of having to play scared the entire match isn’t worth it.
IF you get itbthough.. its worth it with that build.. if you can get 2 ppl wifh the completion.. u can get 1500 flamestrikes..
I'm surprised that there are people who still upload content for Heroes of the Storm because I thought the game was dead so they wouldn't put more content in it (I'm not saying it's bad or that I'm making fun of it or anything like that) because the heroes are my favorite game for years and I hope some company takes it so it can go back to how it was before
after that mech play I think we need a re-do on this one 😄
That’s a lot of damage.
Convection is not as good as mana? Totally agree, yet...that moment when you lose all the stacks for getting out of the meka just in from of the towers...kinda triggers, not gonna lie 😂
so funny loved it
It was almost as if he was waiting until he got some stacks built up and then tried to die... "oh no, I died... see that's why I don't like this talent"
conviction is bad, but I agree that a flamestrike build needs conviction
I demand a do over, you promised haha
Convection buld deepdive (Convection is not mandatory).
Convection could use a rework... maybe make it multiple stage reward talent, where at 5 stacks, Q gives mana back on enemies hit, at 10 stacks, you no longer lose them after death, at 15 reduce mana cost of Q and at 20 get extra dmg spike on top of the baseline scaling. Or something like that.
Alternatively only losing half of it on death like greymane could be cool, or make it a baseline talent that stacks infinitely and give 5 damage per stack then extra 50 damage per each 5 stacks.
Overally though, I do quite agree that mocking a talent you're "showcasing", that you didn't even get to properly showcase due to not completing the quest wasn't fun. Especially against this team, where you had plenty of big low mobility targets to hit while having a relative safety on your team.
It did showcase that losing the stacks is definitely quite punishing though and generally in most games you are definitely better off picking mana addict. Still, as KT main for some time now, going for Q build and not picking Convection somehow feels just weird. Especially since if you dont pick it, theres little reason to go Fury of the Sunwell at 16 instead of Ignite, since the poke from Ignite is almost like cheating.
unending hatred adds how much damage for illidan?
To be fair, you did kind of offer yourself on a silver platter to that stitches 😜😂
Bro did not cook with convection that is for sure, but hey a w is w
in the end your flamestrike did 792 dmg to valla. 200 wouldve been a 25% increase. thats not bad. its not good either, especiialy compared to mana addict. but its not nothing
Yeah - I pulled up a talent calculator to do the math after the video too. It's not the best talent for sure - but 25% extra damage on a spell that can easily hit 3+ members of the enemy team (twice even!) is nothing to sneeze at. You just have to play cautious when you pick it until quest completion. Which ... someone ... did not.
@@LacticAcid672 still the scaling is low. 20 heroes is to many for losing them upon death.
Either make the cap 400 dmg or increase the dmg to 10 per hit
Or just remove the lost upon death
love you pally
Sorry to say Pally but you DID say in the first video you're going to make it deal "the most damage possible" then didn't take convection oven, which makes that statement false
Yeah, you need to do redo this one and do it right.
I love pally
Pain ™️
Pally really making a whole video just to rag on convection.
nah, don't count till you finish the stacks
A promise is a promise, so keep going!
I have never criticized the way you play Pally, but when you go this build, when you get to 15 stacks, you must become a paranoid sniper until you get to 20. Twice in that game you had over 15 stacks and continued to play with reckless abandon. I would have been upset with you as a teammate.
400 dmg, if you hit both :) Wombo heaven.
Not good enough Pally! We need another video 😉
🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
Only 5 because it never gets to 6
why not maiking videos with kuye
A highly opinionated group is code for people who are wrong and have made that Pally's problem. The only good thing about Convection is it lets you know that the player doesn't know how to play Kael'thas.
Meatball sub?!
completing the quest early = power spike = ez win. however, if you are bad at KT pick any of the other talents
Do Sylvanas!!!
Lewd.
do it again
I always report people for intentionally dying if they pick this.
Convection gets a lot more trash than it deserves. You had the perfect map and team comp to show it off but played very out of character. Oh well.
I watch Pally's HOTS videos since 2014 and I genuinely enjoy them. This is the first time ever I have disliked one of his video. Couldn't watch it till the end. Every third word making fun of Convection is too much . This felt so forced.
The cherry on top was when he exited the mech under tower between 3 enemy heroes, so that he can die so that he can continue to make fun of this talent.
🎉🎉
That was so anticlimactic…
With that talent, you should not be in the obj 😬
Again!😂 jk please dont😂😂
Never been so early
same
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