Bought a f2 a couple of months ago, got rid of the brakes replaced with XT and new rotors. Whole different bike. Also replaced front chain ring which was causing chain drop problems after three weeks. Been solid ever since.
Your observation regarding the SX RD not going down from 50 tooth is pretty much spot - on. Have a full SX group just replaced the RD and Shifter to GX and has been running smoothly ever since. The cranks in particular is a steal to essentially how bomb proof they are. And nice videos by the way!
@@MossieRidesBikes Yep agreed, the even using the only GX rd and shifter you can tell how higher quality they are. The feel of NX on my opinion is much more closer to SX than NX.
@@stevenclaudeyoung4188 hmm I think its fine for time being if you use the sx shifter and nx rd. Once those gets a sign damage then you can upgrade to gx shifter and rd. Cause my SX (shifter and rd) did not cause any problems until 7 months of use.
2 29 (2021) owner here. Love everything about my bike. Upgraded the pedals to 1Up composites, plan to upgrade my grips and handlebar soon. Aside from that it’s the perfect starter hardtail
I think whenever you get the chance to do a comparison is always useful, as it makes people aware that sometimes the more expensive model isn’t always the best value. Suppose it depends when you can get the bikes in to compare at the minute. Loved the videos in 2020. One of the main reasons I bought an Orbea Occam was after watching your unboxing. Looking forward to more videos in 2021, and good luck with the new race season. 🤘🏻
In a typical year I probably would be able to find a demo but most of these bikes I have only had a few hours access to even film them😅 I do keep my fingers crossed though!
Just bought a Fathom 29 2 in Green. Love this thing! Somewhat new to riding and very happy with it so far. Didnt know a thing about it and went off the recommendation from the bike shop. Subscribed to learn more.
It's not a full review but, the Crest fork feels kinda good on the trail. Smooth riding, sometimes it nosedived a little deep on drops but I only had one spacer in at the time to be honest. Replaced it for a RS 35 though. The 35 is heavier but the Crest has an annoying top out "click" I couldn't get past, seemed worse in cold weather. Also there is no servicing it yourself without voiding warranty. If you don't care much about a noisy fork though, it is an ok fork, probably a little nicer than a recon, but not yet a reba in my opinion.
I’ve been waiting for the Fathom 2 to be back in stock at Giant Toronto, I agree I would rather have the Deore drivetrain over the SRAM and that Black/Blue Ashes colour way is amazing. Frames are the exact same so I’m going to go with the cheaper version and upgrade to my liking after. Great review Mossie been waiting for this one to come out!!! 👍👌
Thank you, great comparison. I have the '21 fathom 2 - 27.5 and it is a fantastic bike. Giant has had an issue with installing a non-boost chainring on this model so far isolated only to the black/rosewood (something to look for while unboxing or before purchasing). Many have had this issue evidenced by reviews on Giant's website. My 1st ride was miserable; chain drop about 20 times. Giant quickly responded and sent the correct chainring (30t boost) , but while waiting my lbs installed a boost 32t and I am keeping this one.
@@Tyrsblade Hi JD, the fathom 1 has sram crankset with the appropriate offset, the newest fathom 2 has gone back to a 10-speed cluster and now requires no offset. The 2021 fathom 2 was 12 speed and many were sent without the proper 3mm offset chainring, but most were sold with the correct spec chainring.
The Praxis Cadet is a pretty nice crank. The problem with it is that Praxis uses the Sram direct mount style for the chain ring. So, if you want to change chain rings you’ll find that there are hardly any options with the Sram DM style ring that is compatible with the Shimano HG+ chain. I had this issue and ended up going with the Wolf Tooth Camo which allows you to use a Sram DM style spider and a HG+ chain specific ring that mounts to it.
i wouldnt buy one again, i have one and its basicly toast after a few hundred kms of riding, the forks suck, the bottombracket suck, the rear hub suck, its just a pain in the ass bike that does look very cool.
I was holding out for a fathom 1 to come in my local shop, I don't think I'll bother now! Off to pick up the fathom 2 they had in. Thanks for the advice bro 👍
Excellent comparison. Wasn't sold on the blue online but in the shop in person it looks sweet, was hard to tell it is a matte finish. and agree on better value on the 2, so pulled the trigger on it. See how that Praxis crank is over time, squeaks etc, but like you say, same for the Sx crank anyway.
I've had a Fathom 2 27.5 for a few weeks and I've noticed some issues with the crest fork. Mine makes a hideous clicking noise when the fork rebounds, I've blew through the compression stroke on fork the several times, bottoming out the fork really hard on small jumps, like the fork isn't even there. So hard that the headset bearings left dents in the soft cheap bearing races, so now my headset bearings are notchy and creaky even after cleaning and re-greasing them. So far I've been mildly disappointed..
Thinking to buy secondhand Polygon siskiu d6 2018 vs. GT avalanche expert 2014 vs. Giant fathom 29 2 2017. Which one would be the best choice if its conditions and prices are same. Please help me any advice and suggestions? Thanks!
Very nice rundown, thank you. Much change in your mind with the 22's? I do see the 2 now runs a 1x10 🤔 (tough one) I have been running a GX Eagle on my '19 Fuel, it has serviced me well (one tick tick tick spot that doesnt seem to want to tune out)
I used to have the fathom 1 from way back in 2017 and it was an awesome XC bike. Would the new fathoms be still considered an XC or a trail bike these days?
better cancel it while you can, i have one and they suck, the fork, bottombracket and rearhub are trash, Shimano has no spare parts readily available due to the pandemic so when you need repairs or parts within a few months, there are none.
@@brandonedwards905 from an 1700 cad$ one may expect the parts to last a little bit longer than 1000km use, dont think thats too much too expect, but maybe i missed something in the disclaimer thats states its normal for those Shimano hubs to blow out after a few rides, could be me, dont know...
@@mryoung9021 you have one all your mountainbike career? Thats a pretty short 'career' then since the Fathom 2 is only available since late last year. lololol. Enjoy it as long as it last .
I need your help, I have seen your videos and they are incredible congratulations. I'm about to buy my first bike but I still can't decide between the FATHOM 29 2 or the XTC SLR 29 2 because of the budget, these are. It's my first "really" bike so I need your help. I live in dallas TX. I am 41 years old and I want a bicycle that will serve me for everything, but that the choice is for many years to come. what is your opinion? remember that they have already risen in price and are in 1420.
I appreciate the compliment! I would honestly narrow it down to what is important to you between the two bikes. The XTC is an awesome, lightweight, entry race bike but it is strictly designed for fast cross country trails. Not saying you can't ride something more challenging on it but that is not it's intended purpose. The Fathom has a much more "trail friendly" geometry and beefier frame. Most people I know end up going with the Fathom at that price point
@@MossieRidesBikes you're the best. Thank you so much. help me with the last question. I'm looking at STANCE 29 2. I like it a lot and at my age I think it could be a great option, what do you think of this? in dallas i have a lot of interesting trails but no mountains. I appreciate your comments for the STANCE 29 2
I can only find the Fathom 1 in stock. Could I swap out the shifter and derailleur for a Shimano shifter and derailleur without getting a new cassette?
Did you have a chance to look at merida big trail? I think they are very similar bikes and both are very appealing. Would be cool if you could review merida big trail as well.
I’m looking at getting a 2022 fathom. My background is road and I ride a medium frame. I know nothing about mtb so was wondering what size to buy at 178cm tall? Would appreciate it if you could give me some idea. Some have said medium and some said small. Other brands M/L ! Really confused
Would it make much financial sense to have the LBS upgrade both the Fathom 2 brake system and crankset/bottom bracket (i.e. to full Deore 4-pot brakes/better rotors and Deore 1x12 crankset and Shimano threaded BB) before taking delivery of the bike? Or replace one or the other as they wear out? Thanks! And keep up the great content!!
In this market I would honestly replace what you want, when you want, and then save your other parts as a backup. The bike shop might even install them for free since you are buying the bike from them😃
@@MossieRidesBikes Ok, just wasn’t sure what’d make more sense. A little off topic, but I’m not sure you’ve covered this bike yet...would you be able to get your hands on a 2021 Giant Trance Advanced? I’m curious as to your thoughts about the bike. Seems almost like the perfect full sus bike (even has carbon TRX wheelset) except for the rear triangle not being composite/carbon. Thoughts on if there’s much of a difference between front and rear triangles being carbon versus just having only a carbon front triangle. Thanks in advance!
Warranty question. Been looking to upgrade from a 10+ year old Gary Fisher and was about ready to, then the pandemic hit. Supply is an issue. I have an opportunity to purchase a Fathom but it's 100 miles away. If there was a warranty issue, what would the process be? Do I have to go back to shop it was purchased at? Can I work with Giant direct? Would local Giant dealer take care of? I would like to purchase it local but who knows when supply will come back. Love the channel, thanks for the help.
So far Giant has still done a great job with warranty through the pandemic within reason. Luckily we haven't had many warranties and you would still wait a bit but they do get it taken care of. As far as who you take it to, as long as you have the original bill of sale you can take the bike to any Giant dealer and they can take care of it for you. The shop I'm at is in NC and we have had people drive from Florida because we had a bike in stock they were looking for! Thanks for supporting the channel!!
Do you know if the medium or large would be better for a person who is 5 ft 9? I wrote a 2020 medium and it felt small. Best bike is a different frame so I was curious I should get a large?
Based off your height I would lean towards a medium but at the end of the day it's all about how you feel on the bike. I'm 5'10 and can technically ride either size but I have always preferred a large
My buddy just bought this bike today, the Fathom 1 it's a good specked out first timer mountain bike in my opinion👍 his came w/ front and rear 2.6" Maxxis Ardent race tires!!
Would the Rocky Mountain Growler be comparable to the Fathom? I’m considering getting either of the two, but I’m wondering what the most aggressive riding is for the Fathom (if it can handle small drops, fast rolling tech.)
I really wanted a Fathom 29 2 but could only find a 29 1 within 500 miles. My first real bike and I’m happy but even as a newbie I can tell the SRAM SX /NX drivetrain will have to go eventually. Definitely not a buttery smooth shift.
What is your take on new frame size for 2021. Does it fit small? I’m 6’1 would XL frame be ok at 19.5 inches on the Fathom compared to XL Talon1 at 21 inches. Thx
I think you would be fine with the XL for sure. The seat tube length is 19.5 but the top tube length is 26.1. For comparison, the XL in the XTC is 26.2. I tend to go more based on reach and top tube length when im looking at sizing anymore because geometry has changed so much. I hope that helps!
Hi , I'm trying to decide on a hardtail for under £1,500 pounds ,is there any standout bike for this price ? Been looking at trek roscoe or this fathom , thanks .
Hey I am from india and i love your videos🤩🤟🤘. And can you tell me the frame size of giant phantom 2 which you have streaking green with 29 inches tyre.Love from india🥰😘😘
Bought a ‘22 29-2 this week. Very interested to see how this HT performs. The 1x12 got dropped to a 1x10, still appears to be plenty of gearing spread for my needs. I was planning to buy a 1 but the Shimano brakes are currently subbed out so not worth the extra dough (will end up adding a set of XT soon enough).
So the selling point of these bikes changed in a interesting way. It now depends if you really want to get 1x12. If you do, getting 29-1 and just upgrading the derailleur to something that actually works is less pain in the *** than changing from 1x10.
@@themoss7115 After 4 months on the bike I can say the 1x10 has been just fine. The performance factor (negative) for me are these brakes. When I get back on my trail bike (w XT’s) my ride livens up. Also plan to get a carbon 800mm / 40mm rise bar.
I’m looking to upgrade, and I’m shopping all brands of hard tail in this price point. I’ve seen/heard that giant uses dated geometry. Is that still the case with these? I’m not sure what is considered modern geometry these days.
Thanks for the video. After seeing this it seems that maybe Giant should have come up with a Fathom 3 so there would be no need to upgrade components down the road. It seems that I would be better off getting the cheaper bike then just plan to upgrade some parts, as I can afford to (or get hand me downs).
Hei Mossie! Thank you for your videos, they are amazing! One question tho, I got the Gient Fathom 29 2 2021 and the headset is already shot. (didn't have any greace in it) and I'm now looking for a fully sealed unit, but I can't seem to find any information on the headset. Maybe you know a headset that fits in there?
@@OfficialFedHater Is that the ID, that is the steerer diameter? How about the outer diameter, or they are all the same? Sorry if its obvious question. I found a google suggesting Cane creek zs 44 56, but couldnt find more info. Thanks a lot!
@@ReiDoesIt That's the ID of where the headset cups would be installed. Anything that says those specifications should fit. I personally like cane creek and FSA, but use whatever you like.
@@OfficialFedHater Thank you very much! 🥳🥳🥳 And is it correct assesment that as lomg as its semi-integrated headset I should not worry about the depth/height of the bearings?
Great review But ….. come on The fathom 1 has better breaks Way better hub system The shimano hub bearings are crappy and you know it Better breaks for sure And a better crank set up All of these combined gives you a more secure ride JMO Of course I have a 29 1 that I love Great review though Very thorough Get the 1 You won’t regret it It’s not that much more money
I know in the US this bike was originally coming with the suntour fork. I believe they were doing this just to get the bikes shipped because once the Crest was available that is all they have come with now. Even when we look at the order form you can choose crest or suntour but the suntour has been unavailable for a long time.
yes they are crap, im waiting for a replacement under warranty for 3 months now, and the bottom bracket suck too as well as the rear hub, the only good thing about the bike is the looks.
your LBS should take care of the fork isseu, Giant is aware of the problem with these forks, mine is getting replaced under warranty, im exited if the new one doesnt klik....
you bought one online? lolololol you are going to have a blast in a few months when it needs service, the fork sucks as the bottombracket and the rear hub, expect it to last 500km. you gonna have wished you never got it, i have one myself and im talking out of experience, oh and keep in mind Shimano has basicly no spare parts available cause of the pandemic situation. enjoy while you can but better not ride it to much this year cause your fucekd when it needs service.
@@jackietreehorn1754 i got the F 1 29 last october after more than 5000kms the hubs are fine, my bottom bracket blow out and dropper post fail i guess that the only thing that i Know for shure when i buy the bike was that the dropper was the weak part and i would replace it which i did for a pnw, but i think is very good for the price and the most important the frame geometry is awesome
@@pepeanza6187 very remarkable that on one bike the hubs or hubbearings are faulty, and on others the BB and dropper, on my F2 i have now rode like 2000km and the BB and dropper are still fine, the hub also no problem till now since i got the complete rearwheel replaced by Giant three months ago.
I actually think they are on par with each other. The Giant fork is a newer product so I always have a fear of there being issues but I haven't seen any real problems so far
It's funny you say that. We have had them on order for a while now and we just got in the UX3s. I got about 3/4 of what I wanted to film before it sold but I am going to do a quick video on that at least!
when mossie said exact same build, does it mean that the frame of 27.5 and 29er have exactly the the same geometry that i can exchange their wheels and fork and get exactly the same performance? Im asking because im planning to buy the 29er trekking green and change its wheels into a 27.5 coz there's no fathom 27.5 available in our area for quite some time now..
@@fast_ek88 did it just recently with someone who wanted to swap and had no issues at all. Just like having a 27.5 with a 29er colorway and vice versa.
They actually don't even have tubes in them. The valves and tape are already installed. You just have to take the valve core out with a little tool they provide you and squirt the sealant in!
Would anyone recommend the Fathom over the XTC Advanced or XTC SLR for general trail riding? I've been riding my Giant Trance X 29er for a few years and I'm looking to get a hard tail for less maintenance, lighter and agile.
The fathom would definitely feel closer to your Trance but without the rear suspension. I love the XTC SLR but I've heard from more than one person that it feels more twitchy than the fathom. The weight of the XTC would on the climbs though😀
@@MossieRidesBikes I'm leaning towards the Fathom 27.5 because it seems more flickable but I also like the XTC Advanced's weight and short chainstay. By the way, does SLR stand for super light race?
Well the kinda ruined the fathom lineup for 2022. Both bikes are $220us cheaper than 2021. the fathom 1 is exactly the same, and the fathom 2 is almost exactly the same except for one massive difference; deore 10spd 😭 I was going to buy one with deore 12s and upgrade half the parts to slx but now i cant really 😭😭😭
I buy the fathom 1 29 actually is the worst color and is the more expensive build but it comes whit rock shox 35 I don't trust a fork made from giant amazing bike for the price
Am getting into the sport and the mechanical aspects are interesting but overwhelming, you should consider doing an overview of components and common pitfalls /fixes
Also ended up with a fathom 1. Tried to buy last years around august to no luck so when one popped up and I had 6 mo. more to save it was easy to pull the trigger
Let me know if you liked the comparison style of video and if you do, let me know what other bikes you would want me to compare!
GT Zaskar expert
I have a 2021 Trance Advanced 27.5 on order, when one rolls in i'd like to see you compare it with the 2021Trance 27.5, that would be cool.
Man u did a dope video, hope to see more of this kinda video specially for giant trances and giant reigns 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Fathom 1 vs trek Roscoe 8
@@MrTacoJay 100% with that comparison but also include the Specalized fuse 27.5. Trying to decide between these 3 bikes.
I agree completely! Unfortunately they didn’t have a blue ashes available but the green is great too.
Bought a f2 a couple of months ago, got rid of the brakes replaced with XT and new rotors. Whole different bike. Also replaced front chain ring which was causing chain drop problems after three weeks. Been solid ever since.
I went with the Fathom 2, just because of the drivetrain, had shimano Saints from a bike I sold, so brakes were not even considered.
Great video. I'm actually going in to pickup a Fathom 2 (which I chose over the Fathom 1). This video has given me some more confidence.
Your observation regarding the SX RD not going down from 50 tooth is pretty much spot - on. Have a full SX group just replaced the RD and Shifter to GX and has been running smoothly ever since. The cranks in particular is a steal to essentially how bomb proof they are. And nice videos by the way!
Thanks for the support! GX in my opinion is where sram starts to make a great product.
@@MossieRidesBikes Yep agreed, the even using the only GX rd and shifter you can tell how higher quality they are. The feel of NX on my opinion is much more closer to SX than NX.
@@WGazeon I Have the fathom 1, do you think it's okay to only upgrade the SX shifter to GX leaving the NX RD?
@@stevenclaudeyoung4188 hmm I think its fine for time being if you use the sx shifter and nx rd. Once those gets a sign damage then you can upgrade to gx shifter and rd. Cause my SX (shifter and rd) did not cause any problems until 7 months of use.
2022 fathom 2 29er on hold for me. Excited as can be! We love you too mane.
2 29 (2021) owner here. Love everything about my bike. Upgraded the pedals to 1Up composites, plan to upgrade my grips and handlebar soon.
Aside from that it’s the perfect starter hardtail
I went with 1up composites as well and they have been amazing
I think whenever you get the chance to do a comparison is always useful, as it makes people aware that sometimes the more expensive model isn’t always the best value. Suppose it depends when you can get the bikes in to compare at the minute.
Loved the videos in 2020. One of the main reasons I bought an Orbea Occam was after watching your unboxing.
Looking forward to more videos in 2021, and good luck with the new race season. 🤘🏻
Thank you for the support!
Cool review, I was really hoping that you've taken it out for a demo review. Thanks !
In a typical year I probably would be able to find a demo but most of these bikes I have only had a few hours access to even film them😅 I do keep my fingers crossed though!
@@MossieRidesBikes I totally understand. Great job.
Just bought a Fathom 29 2 in Green. Love this thing! Somewhat new to riding and very happy with it so far. Didnt know a thing about it and went off the recommendation from the bike shop.
Subscribed to learn more.
Getting my fathom 2 this month .. taking it on a 2.500 mile trip around the UK.. 50 miles a day for 50 days ... wish me luck 🙏
Went through a similar process over the weekend and decided to go with the Fathom 2. It wasn't a money decision...it was a value decision.
Spot on. I honestly think even if they were the same price and both in stock I'd still go with the 2
This is the video I needed! I’m a roadie that’s wanting to get into mountain biking. I was looking at both of these and looking to buy one. Thank you!
Wow thanks this review helped a lot. Just got my 11 year old the fathom 2. Super excited for him for it to be here.. !
love the video Mossie ..... pass by BSG all the time going to and from work ...... i want a Fathom 2 soooo bad ........ keep up the way kool Vids.
Could we get a Review of the crest 34 fork? There aren’t any yet
It's not a full review but, the Crest fork feels kinda good on the trail. Smooth riding, sometimes it nosedived a little deep on drops but I only had one spacer in at the time to be honest. Replaced it for a RS 35 though. The 35 is heavier but the Crest has an annoying top out "click" I couldn't get past, seemed worse in cold weather. Also there is no servicing it yourself without voiding warranty. If you don't care much about a noisy fork though, it is an ok fork, probably a little nicer than a recon, but not yet a reba in my opinion.
I’ve been waiting for the Fathom 2 to be back in stock at Giant Toronto, I agree I would rather have the Deore drivetrain over the SRAM and that Black/Blue Ashes colour way is amazing. Frames are the exact same so I’m going to go with the cheaper version and upgrade to my liking after. Great review Mossie been waiting for this one to come out!!! 👍👌
This was my exact thought as well! its just a great choice
Thank you, great comparison. I have the '21 fathom 2 - 27.5 and it is a fantastic bike. Giant has had an issue with installing a non-boost chainring on this model so far isolated only to the black/rosewood (something to look for while unboxing or before purchasing). Many have had this issue evidenced by reviews on Giant's website. My 1st ride was miserable; chain drop about 20 times. Giant quickly responded and sent the correct chainring (30t boost) , but while waiting my lbs installed a boost 32t and I am keeping this one.
Thanks for the heads up and I'm glad they took care of ya!
So the fathom 1 doesn’t have the same chain issue and doesn’t need a 3mm offset replacement?
@@Tyrsblade Hi JD, the fathom 1 has sram crankset with the appropriate offset, the newest fathom 2 has gone back to a 10-speed cluster and now requires no offset. The 2021 fathom 2 was 12 speed and many were sent without the proper 3mm offset chainring, but most were sold with the correct spec chainring.
The Praxis Cadet is a pretty nice crank. The problem with it is that Praxis uses the Sram direct mount style for the chain ring. So, if you want to change chain rings you’ll find that there are hardly any options with the Sram DM style ring that is compatible with the Shimano HG+ chain. I had this issue and ended up going with the Wolf Tooth Camo which allows you to use a Sram DM style spider and a HG+ chain specific ring that mounts to it.
love your vids bro keep it up!
Thanks, I appreciate that!!
What bottom bracket would be an upgrade for the Fathom1
The Fathom 29 2 on the Giant GB website says it has Suntour Raidon forks.
Video I was looking for looking to buy one this week!
i wouldnt buy one again, i have one and its basicly toast after a few hundred kms of riding, the forks suck, the bottombracket suck, the rear hub suck, its just a pain in the ass bike that does look very cool.
Think that happens with most Giant hardtails cuz my taron had the same issues as well. First good, then after some riding it starts creaking
Do you know how much is the maximum fork travel for the giant fathom?
Thanks for a great review
I was holding out for a fathom 1 to come in my local shop, I don't think I'll bother now!
Off to pick up the fathom 2 they had in. Thanks for the advice bro 👍
How are you liking it?
@@Tyrsblade very capable bike. I've taken it on blacks n reds and its handled them well. Brakes will want an upgrade at some point
Excellent comparison. Wasn't sold on the blue online but in the shop in person it looks sweet, was hard to tell it is a matte finish. and agree on better value on the 2, so pulled the trigger on it. See how that Praxis crank is over time, squeaks etc, but like you say, same for the Sx crank anyway.
I've had a Fathom 2 27.5 for a few weeks and I've noticed some issues with the crest fork. Mine makes a hideous clicking noise when the fork rebounds, I've blew through the compression stroke on fork the several times, bottoming out the fork really hard on small jumps, like the fork isn't even there. So hard that the headset bearings left dents in the soft cheap bearing races, so now my headset bearings are notchy and creaky even after cleaning and re-greasing them. So far I've been mildly disappointed..
You might need to put more air in the fork
Got my 2021 fathom 2 used for $950, popped on some guide r 4 pistons I got $150, and it’s now on par with the fathom 1 I’d say
that was a steal!
It is possible to install a larger brake disc on the rear of the giant fathom 1
Thinking to buy secondhand Polygon siskiu d6 2018 vs. GT avalanche expert 2014 vs. Giant fathom 29 2 2017. Which one would be the best choice if its conditions and prices are same.
Please help me any advice and suggestions? Thanks!
Very nice rundown, thank you. Much change in your mind with the 22's? I do see the 2 now runs a 1x10 🤔 (tough one) I have been running a GX Eagle on my '19 Fuel, it has serviced me well (one tick tick tick spot that doesnt seem to want to tune out)
can u recommend 4 piston brakes for fathom 2 upgrade?
My friend just got a fathom and it came stock with race face Chesters! Do you know if the nicer version comes with chesters?
I used to have the fathom 1 from way back in 2017 and it was an awesome XC bike. Would the new fathoms be still considered an XC or a trail bike these days?
Trail but XC capable... XTC SLR is the dedicated XC bike from giant
Just ordered a Fathom 2. Can't wait!
better cancel it while you can, i have one and they suck, the fork, bottombracket and rearhub are trash, Shimano has no spare parts readily available due to the pandemic so when you need repairs or parts within a few months, there are none.
@@jackietreehorn1754 what's wrong with the fork, bottom bracket and the hub? It's a $1700 (CAD) bike... what are you expecting from it?
@@brandonedwards905 from an 1700 cad$ one may expect the parts to last a little bit longer than 1000km use, dont think thats too much too expect, but maybe i missed something in the disclaimer thats states its normal for those Shimano hubs to blow out after a few rides, could be me, dont know...
@@jackietreehorn1754 Giant should warranty all of that for you.
@@mryoung9021 you have one all your mountainbike career? Thats a pretty short 'career' then since the Fathom 2 is only available since late last year. lololol. Enjoy it as long as it last .
I need your help, I have seen your videos and they are incredible congratulations.
I'm about to buy my first bike but I still can't decide between the FATHOM 29 2 or the XTC SLR 29 2 because of the budget, these are.
It's my first "really" bike so I need your help. I live in dallas TX.
I am 41 years old and I want a bicycle that will serve me for everything, but that the choice is for many years to come.
what is your opinion? remember that they have already risen in price and are in 1420.
I appreciate the compliment! I would honestly narrow it down to what is important to you between the two bikes. The XTC is an awesome, lightweight, entry race bike but it is strictly designed for fast cross country trails. Not saying you can't ride something more challenging on it but that is not it's intended purpose. The Fathom has a much more "trail friendly" geometry and beefier frame. Most people I know end up going with the Fathom at that price point
@@MossieRidesBikes you're the best. Thank you so much. help me with the last question. I'm looking at STANCE 29 2. I like it a lot and at my age I think it could be a great option, what do you think of this? in dallas i have a lot of interesting trails but no mountains.
I appreciate your comments for the STANCE 29 2
love this video very specific comparison..can u make a comparison with 2021 xtc slr 2 and 2021 fathom 29 2..thanks in advance :)
I can only find the Fathom 1 in stock. Could I swap out the shifter and derailleur for a Shimano shifter and derailleur without getting a new cassette?
Did you have a chance to look at merida big trail? I think they are very similar bikes and both are very appealing. Would be cool if you could review merida big trail as well.
I’m looking at getting a 2022 fathom. My background is road and I ride a medium frame. I know nothing about mtb so was wondering what size to buy at 178cm tall? Would appreciate it if you could give me some idea. Some have said medium and some said small. Other brands M/L ! Really confused
Hi guys, what do you think about the Giant made fork Crest ? Btw, I fully agree with the value not corresponding to higher price of 1.
Im deciding between this and the trek marlin 8 or the roscoe 7. Which one do you think it’s better for beginner mountain biker?
I’m waiting for my Talon 1 to come in but now I’m thinking of a fathom 2, but I love the dessert sage colour!
The fathom 2 has a similar concrete colour
@@olivercolpitts1559 not in Australia , it’s only comes in blue and green
I'm between a Fathom 2 and Canondale Trail 3 SE
Would it make much financial sense to have the LBS upgrade both the Fathom 2 brake system and crankset/bottom bracket (i.e. to full Deore 4-pot brakes/better rotors and Deore 1x12 crankset and Shimano threaded BB) before taking delivery of the bike? Or replace one or the other as they wear out? Thanks! And keep up the great content!!
In this market I would honestly replace what you want, when you want, and then save your other parts as a backup. The bike shop might even install them for free since you are buying the bike from them😃
@@MossieRidesBikes Ok, just wasn’t sure what’d make more sense. A little off topic, but I’m not sure you’ve covered this bike yet...would you be able to get your hands on a 2021 Giant Trance Advanced? I’m curious as to your thoughts about the bike. Seems almost like the perfect full sus bike (even has carbon TRX wheelset) except for the rear triangle not being composite/carbon. Thoughts on if there’s much of a difference between front and rear triangles being carbon versus just having only a carbon front triangle. Thanks in advance!
HI man! I just want to ask about Praxis PF BB is it compatible to Deore Crankset? TIA
Which one is better.Centeral lock or 6 bolt system 🙂🙂
Great video. Would you choose the fathom 2 over a trek roscoe 7? I'm still trying to decide.
I have the same question
I've heard from some people that the roscoe 7 doesn't have the best brakes.
Warranty question. Been looking to upgrade from a 10+ year old Gary Fisher and was about ready to, then the pandemic hit. Supply is an issue. I have an opportunity to purchase a Fathom but it's 100 miles away. If there was a warranty issue, what would the process be? Do I have to go back to shop it was purchased at? Can I work with Giant direct? Would local Giant dealer take care of? I would like to purchase it local but who knows when supply will come back. Love the channel, thanks for the help.
So far Giant has still done a great job with warranty through the pandemic within reason. Luckily we haven't had many warranties and you would still wait a bit but they do get it taken care of. As far as who you take it to, as long as you have the original bill of sale you can take the bike to any Giant dealer and they can take care of it for you. The shop I'm at is in NC and we have had people drive from Florida because we had a bike in stock they were looking for! Thanks for supporting the channel!!
@@MossieRidesBikes Thank you very much!
Do you know if the medium or large would be better for a person who is 5 ft 9? I wrote a 2020 medium and it felt small. Best bike is a different frame so I was curious I should get a large?
Based off your height I would lean towards a medium but at the end of the day it's all about how you feel on the bike. I'm 5'10 and can technically ride either size but I have always preferred a large
My buddy just bought this bike today, the Fathom 1 it's a good specked out first timer mountain bike in my opinion👍 his came w/ front and rear 2.6" Maxxis Ardent race tires!!
Would the Rocky Mountain Growler be comparable to the Fathom? I’m considering getting either of the two, but I’m wondering what the most aggressive riding is for the Fathom (if it can handle small drops, fast rolling tech.)
I went to Giant and tried to buy one. But they are pre-sold out. theres a waiting lis here in Brisbane.
Please do the riding review of this model . Thx u
I really wanted a Fathom 29 2 but could only find a 29 1 within 500 miles.
My first real bike and I’m happy but even as a newbie I can tell the SRAM SX /NX drivetrain will have to go eventually. Definitely not a buttery smooth shift.
Hello! for a height of 184 cm, which frame should I use, XL or L?
What is your take on new frame size for 2021. Does it fit small? I’m 6’1 would XL frame be ok at 19.5 inches on the Fathom compared to XL Talon1 at 21 inches. Thx
I think you would be fine with the XL for sure. The seat tube length is 19.5 but the top tube length is 26.1. For comparison, the XL in the XTC is 26.2. I tend to go more based on reach and top tube length when im looking at sizing anymore because geometry has changed so much. I hope that helps!
@@MossieRidesBikes thanks for getting back to me. Still think seat tube length plays huge part in bike sizing.
Hi , I'm trying to decide on a hardtail for under £1,500 pounds ,is there any standout bike for this price ? Been looking at trek roscoe or this fathom , thanks .
Hey I am from india and i love your videos🤩🤟🤘. And can you tell me the frame size of giant phantom 2 which you have streaking green with 29 inches tyre.Love from india🥰😘😘
Bought a ‘22 29-2 this week. Very interested to see how this HT performs. The 1x12 got dropped to a 1x10, still appears to be plenty of gearing spread for my needs. I was planning to buy a 1 but the Shimano brakes are currently subbed out so not worth the extra dough (will end up adding a set of XT soon enough).
So the selling point of these bikes changed in a interesting way. It now depends if you really want to get 1x12. If you do, getting 29-1 and just upgrading the derailleur to something that actually works is less pain in the *** than changing from 1x10.
@@themoss7115 After 4 months on the bike I can say the 1x10 has been just fine. The performance factor (negative) for me are these brakes. When I get back on my trail bike (w XT’s) my ride livens up. Also plan to get a carbon 800mm / 40mm rise bar.
I’m looking to upgrade, and I’m shopping all brands of hard tail in this price point. I’ve seen/heard that giant uses dated geometry. Is that still the case with these? I’m not sure what is considered modern geometry these days.
Thanks for the video. After seeing this it seems that maybe Giant should have come up with a Fathom 3 so there would be no need to upgrade components down the road. It seems that I would be better off getting the cheaper bike then just plan to upgrade some parts, as I can afford to (or get hand me downs).
Hei Mossie! Thank you for your videos, they are amazing! One question tho, I got the Gient Fathom 29 2 2021 and the headset is already shot. (didn't have any greace in it) and I'm now looking for a fully sealed unit, but I can't seem to find any information on the headset. Maybe you know a headset that fits in there?
The sizes should be 1-1/8 and 1-1/2 for the upper and lower respectively.
I second AnCap's response
@@OfficialFedHater Is that the ID, that is the steerer diameter? How about the outer diameter, or they are all the same? Sorry if its obvious question. I found a google suggesting Cane creek zs 44 56, but couldnt find more info. Thanks a lot!
@@ReiDoesIt That's the ID of where the headset cups would be installed.
Anything that says those specifications should fit.
I personally like cane creek and FSA, but use whatever you like.
@@OfficialFedHater Thank you very much! 🥳🥳🥳 And is it correct assesment that as lomg as its semi-integrated headset I should not worry about the depth/height of the bearings?
Great review
But ….. come on
The fathom 1 has
better breaks
Way better hub system The shimano hub bearings are crappy and you know it
Better breaks for sure
And a better crank set up
All of these combined gives you a more secure ride JMO
Of course I have a 29 1 that I love
Great review though Very thorough
Get the 1 You won’t regret it It’s not that much more money
Nice bikes indeed! I love my 2020 Fathom 1.
The UK website list the fathom 2 as having Suntour forks but the photos show the crest. Anyone have any ideas which ones come on the 2?
I know in the US this bike was originally coming with the suntour fork. I believe they were doing this just to get the bikes shipped because once the Crest was available that is all they have come with now. Even when we look at the order form you can choose crest or suntour but the suntour has been unavailable for a long time.
@@MossieRidesBikes awesome thanks
I heard that when you ride this bike on a bumpy road. The fork makes a clicking noise. Is that true?
yes they are crap, im waiting for a replacement under warranty for 3 months now, and the bottom bracket suck too as well as the rear hub, the only good thing about the bike is the looks.
@@jackietreehorn1754 you are on every fucking comment complaining about your goddamn fork.
I just got the Fathom 2 and love it! My Crest 34 fork has started clicking recently though :(
Mine too, have had it for about 2 months. I cleaned dirt off around the o-rings at the bottom of the stantions and that helped,
I posted a video of mine clicking right away. I was able to exchange it. The second bike clicks too, but not near as bad
What was done about it? Mine started clicking on the first ride. Also my seat post is really slow to return
@@hondar6777 hi, i have one too, they are aware of the clicking at Giant, im getting mine replaced with a new one under warranty.
your LBS should take care of the fork isseu, Giant is aware of the problem with these forks, mine is getting replaced under warranty, im exited if the new one doesnt klik....
Here in the Philippiness we have SLR frames it’s an AL version of xtc.giant says its 20% lighter than ta SL frames.
Ahhh, giant use to have the SLR in the states as well but they don't anymore which is a shame. The SLR frames were always super nice
Just bought the bike online. Family is picking it up and shipping it. Its a 15 hour drive away. What are the best upgrades to do to this bike?
you bought one online? lolololol you are going to have a blast in a few months when it needs service, the fork sucks as the bottombracket and the rear hub, expect it to last 500km. you gonna have wished you never got it, i have one myself and im talking out of experience, oh and keep in mind Shimano has basicly no spare parts available cause of the pandemic situation. enjoy while you can but better not ride it to much this year cause your fucekd when it needs service.
@@jackietreehorn1754 stfu with your complaint. just cuz you had a shitty fork and hub..dont be raining on peoples parade.
@@jackietreehorn1754 i got the F 1 29 last october after more than 5000kms the hubs are fine, my bottom bracket blow out and dropper post fail i guess that the only thing that i Know for shure when i buy the bike was that the dropper was the weak part and i would replace it which i did for a pnw, but i think is very good for the price and the most important the frame geometry is awesome
@@pepeanza6187 very remarkable that on one bike the hubs or hubbearings are faulty, and on others the BB and dropper, on my F2 i have now rode like 2000km and the BB and dropper are still fine, the hub also no problem till now since i got the complete rearwheel replaced by Giant three months ago.
I don't know why my fork excursion il a bit more of 100mm and not 130mm. I also got it recharged :(
Wish the Teal color come on the 29 😔
I'm told (I'm pretty new to the scene) that the Trek Stache is a better hardware buy for the money, can anyone confirm or confute this claim ?
Good info! Thanks. Now, I know what to buy.
Betweek suntour and giant fork on fanthom 2 which one is better?
I actually think they are on par with each other. The Giant fork is a newer product so I always have a fear of there being issues but I haven't seen any real problems so far
@@MossieRidesBikes i plan to buy a new bike! Talon 1=650$ and fathom2 =950$ at my place !
Do you think it worth the 300$ to get the fathom 2?
I almost bought this bike til I read a bunch of reviews about the fork making noises
good choise, not only the fork sucks.
Does your shop carry the momentum sub brand? If so quick review on the UX9?
It's funny you say that. We have had them on order for a while now and we just got in the UX3s. I got about 3/4 of what I wanted to film before it sold but I am going to do a quick video on that at least!
Cool. Its really affordable and nice looking. I'd like to get one just for riding around with my daughter.
@Mossiebikerides In the U.K the front has quick release thru axle. Is this the same basically as a normal thru axle? Tanks
they have a different fork in the UK, it's the suntour raidon 34, instead of the giant crest.
@@wst3968 Thanks for getting back to me, I bought the Fathom 2 29er & love it
Is it okay to setup it on a xc bike?
when mossie said exact same build, does it mean that the frame of 27.5 and 29er have exactly the the same geometry that i can exchange their wheels and fork and get exactly the same performance? Im asking because im planning to buy the 29er trekking green and change its wheels into a 27.5 coz there's no fathom 27.5 available in our area for quite some time now..
Same question
@@fast_ek88 did it just recently with someone who wanted to swap and had no issues at all. Just like having a 27.5 with a 29er colorway and vice versa.
@@jettan7642 how about the fork?did you also swap it?27.5 and 29er fork are they the same and no need to swap?
@@fast_ek88 The fork is not the same, only the frame. We swapped both the fork and wheels.
@@jettan7642 sounds cool bro,,thanks for sharing 👌
TR wheels 👌. With the fathom does that mean rim tape is already on there? Just remove the stock tubes and pour in the sealant as seen in the vid?
They actually don't even have tubes in them. The valves and tape are already installed. You just have to take the valve core out with a little tool they provide you and squirt the sealant in!
@@MossieRidesBikes oh nice. Thanks for the insight.
Anyone know how wide the bars r on the fathom 2. Thanks
Trek roscoe 8 2021 29er or giant fathom 1 2021 29er?
Roscoe
Fathom 2 or growler 20?
That bike would make a nice ebike conversion
I thought the cassette was a 10-51?
Great video. Fathom 2 or Specialized Rockhopper Expert?
Fathom It has thru axle and a dropper post
What size was the 2 you weighed? Maybe I missed it?
I apologize! I did put a shot of the size in the video but I never explicitly stated what it was. It's a medium!
@@MossieRidesBikes sweet that’s the size I have. I probably made it heavier when I JM added deore 4 piston brakes though.
Hello guys can anyone tell me if the frame of the 29er and 27.5 the same?
Don’t quote me but i hear they are 👍
Would anyone recommend the Fathom over the XTC Advanced or XTC SLR for general trail riding?
I've been riding my Giant Trance X 29er for a few years and I'm looking to get a hard tail for less maintenance, lighter and agile.
The fathom would definitely feel closer to your Trance but without the rear suspension. I love the XTC SLR but I've heard from more than one person that it feels more twitchy than the fathom. The weight of the XTC would on the climbs though😀
@@MossieRidesBikes I'm leaning towards the Fathom 27.5 because it seems more flickable but I also like the XTC Advanced's weight and short chainstay.
By the way, does SLR stand for super light race?
Nice vid
My dream bike! 😍
Well the kinda ruined the fathom lineup for 2022. Both bikes are $220us cheaper than 2021. the fathom 1 is exactly the same, and the fathom 2 is almost exactly the same except for one massive difference; deore 10spd 😭 I was going to buy one with deore 12s and upgrade half the parts to slx but now i cant really 😭😭😭
I really want V BREAKS on this bikes.
I buy the fathom 1 29 actually is the worst color and is the more expensive build but it comes whit rock shox 35 I don't trust a fork made from giant amazing bike for the price
Bought a 2020 fathom 1. These look better in every single way and for the same price :(
I got the fathom 2. I’d rather have the deore drivetrain and use the money saved to upgrade the brakes myself.
Good cycle
Am getting into the sport and the mechanical aspects are interesting but overwhelming, you should consider doing an overview of components and common pitfalls /fixes
Also ended up with a fathom 1. Tried to buy last years around august to no luck so when one popped up and I had 6 mo. more to save it was easy to pull the trigger