Coleman Hughes | Full Episode 4.12.24 | Firing Line with Margaret Hoover | PBS
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Coleman Hughes, podcast host and author of “The End of Race Politics,” argues for a colorblind America. He critiques affirmative action and DEI, calls some anti-racism efforts “neoracist,” and discusses why he prefers class-based policies.
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His views being labeled as unorthodox is quite a sign of where we are rn as a society. Goodness.
100%! Also, When was the last time you heard someone referred to as a "white writer"?
Unorthodox in the sense that his view is supported by three quarters of the country.
@@benjnorris57 🤣 👍 👌
@@benjnorris57 The elite, politicians, and media apparatus that make Mr. Hughes seem like an outsider do not care about three quarters of the country. His interview on 'The View' was telling as they attacked him and he won over the audience with his measured and reasonable response. Those in power push narratives that divide us because it helps them stay in power and keeps us occupied fighting over the scraps and in a perpetual state of fear and consumption.
Well when many can’t even give the definition of a woman. Yes being colorblind seems radical. Not to mention the race hustler is the ultimate grift.
“Unorthodox views”
Literally the mainstream liberal view a decade ago, now “far right” 😂😂😂
Also, I'd bet it's probably the mainstream view amongst all Americans. And I expect surprisingly common amongst black Americans.
How can opposing racism be considered unorthodox? Bizarre. Fortunately, in multiracial democracies, race based admissions and hiring is illegal. But....not in 🇨🇦!
He is stating the obvious with magnificent clarity. What baffles me is how can so many people have a problem with what he is saying.
The left view him as a sell-out, grifter, self-hating black that serves as a mouth piece for capitalism and white supremacy. It sounds absurd, but true. My hope is the moderate left will embrace his perspective after seeing how disastrous adopting CRT/DEI notions of race policy has been. I believe Mr. Hughes embraces the best of the legacy of MLK jr. and has the benefit of a strong philosophical background and ability to articulate a clear and unifying vision of our divided racial polity.
Because he is against the race hustlers grift. Which is a big business. Not to mention a big part of the Democratic Party strategy.
@@stdamonsbeard yep. Race hustling in America is a very lucrative grift in America .. they get paid nicely to keep racism alive
lot of people in power depend on identity politics. Colemans ideology takes power away from many groups on the left
There aren't "so many", its being pushed to be that by far left progressives who just so happen to fund this show. That they are being allowed to even use its name is a damn travesty.
I adore Coleman Hughes. He's calmly rational in a frenetically radical world. He's exactly what we need right now.
Yes.
He’s not rational at all
Good conversation. Interviewer was balanced, didn't speak/argue over Coleman, and asked fair questions. More like this, PBS.
They are moderating heavily because they know they're going to lose funding after November.
That's because white people agree with him
Interviewer is a Conservative commentator. The show is a new version of the old show Firing Line hosted by William F Buckley, who was one of the most influential Conservatives in 20th century politics.
An interviewer’s politics doesn’t prevent them from presenting fairly.
“Unorthodox views” - how we now describe any views that 80% of Americans agreed on until 2013
His views are not unorthodox. They’re shared by healthy majorities. They’re only unorthodox in elite media and academia bubbles.
💯 - I was thinking the same thing
Well Said
Really glad to see Coleman on PBS! ❤
Yes, excellent sign.
Me too!!!
This is the way forward.
Coleman Hughes has been one of my intellectual hero's for years now.
I wish black Americans would adopt leaders like Coleman, as well as Glenn Loury and John Mcwhorter. Why? Because they genuinely want what is best for black Americans.
I have been following Coleman for a few years. His main gift as a podcaster is to ask excellent questions, never get triggered by the angry, antagonistic guests, and come back with brilliant, measured, logical follow-ups. What he says makes perfect sense. I could never understand why children of Kanye West should have college admissions advantage over a poor white kid from rural Appalachia who is the first in the family to ever apply for college. Likewise, why would the CRT adepts never complain about disproportionate dominance of NBA players, who are paid way above average pay in the country.
Bravo to PBS for having this conversation with Coleman Hughes. This gives me hope for public media discourse.
Coleman’s got the adrenaline control of a professional fighter. Unflappable no matter who he’s talking to.
Coleman Hughes' views are not unorthodox. It is the people who preach "diversity" who surround themselves with like minded people who can be open to diversity if thought.
It's certainly not in line with the woke orthodoxy
Smart guy. We need more voices like him who are essentially calming forces in an environment of increasing madness an anxiety. I am sure he will continue to refine his ideas and hopefully gains more reach. IT would be really nice to see the melee of insane voices replaced by calm, thoughtful adults.
Sadly most people these days are mental zombies who wouldn’t watch an interview about race in a million years
It's unfortunate he doesn't seem to know for what MLK advocated and what CRT & DEI are. We need a better-educated populace.
@@SchnellTim Well saying Coleman and everyone else is uneducated is not an argument. So enlighten us. Obviously the right is trying to co-opt or re-interpret MLK with respect to CRT and DEI for their own deranged purposes. Even if the topic is being manipulated by the right still doesnt mean this kid's big picture thesis is wrong. And I dont think one can deny MLK's emphasis on economic justice is a matter of record.
Tell that to the cops who shove guns in the coloured arse! Pitifully weak arguments 😂
@@SchnellTim MLK told us to consider people for their merit and character, not skin color. Woke zealots have convoluted the beauty of color blindness and put skin color ahead of *everything.* DEI is important but way out of control. And what is CRT? If we're teaching American slavery without the context of 13,000 of slavery _(serfdoms, white slaves of Barbary, modern trafficking, etc. etc.),_ we're telling children America was uniquely evil _(rippling effect of lying to children harms race relations in so many ways)._
Brave of this progressive PBS to share the air with a good man.
Yes! Thank you for having such an insightful brilliant mind like Coleman on!
Congrats Coleman, you are the bomb. And Ms. Hoover always bringing the A game with questions and interviewees. Top notch.
He reminds me of Thomas sowell
It is "da bomb"...not "the bomb". And "da bomb" is so 1990's.
Thank you for OUTSTANDING program. Such great VALID presentation. Never ever seen such a great program. Thank you Margaret Hoover you are the BEST of the BEST beside being beautiful.
I thought that CRT was only taught in law school
Great intellect and calm logic. History will soon show that he is absolutely right on this issue.
The irony of the intro!!!
“A prominent black writer makes the case for a colorblind America”😂
Clarity of thought and expression. So refreshing!
Coleman is one of the most impressive people I've heard, and to think how young he is. He'll have so many years of influence ahead
He's certainly articulate. Sounds like he needs to do more research about what MLK spoke about.
@@SchnellTim Yes, I do recommend you do some research
I have to be honest. He is an example of how talking slow makes even dumbest person sound smart.
Influences who...😂
@@oscarwarren469 open minded individuals
"Holds unorthodox views". Is that what they are calling common sense nowadays?
Coleman is great. One thing I dislike in these types of interviews is the obsession with what MLK Jr thought. There's a lot of folks who want to go back and find quotes that imply that MLK was not actually in favor of color blindness. MLK was a great Civil Rights leader, but ideas need to be judged on their own merit, not on where they came from. The importance of the idea of judging people based on "their character and not the color of their skin" stands on its own regardless of who said it and what else they may have said or thought. In this particular case, that ideal became the motivating ideology of the Civil Rights movement, garnering support from vast numbers of Americans who believed in it. Years later, MLK may or may not have supported color blindness, but that doesn't change the fact that the idea of color blindness was the goal of the Civil Rights movement in America, and that many on the left have abandoned that goal.
Was color blindness used when the Japanese-Americans were given reparations for the internment camps? You don't treat people with disdain for centuries on the basis of their skin color. Then one day magically wake up and say okay we treated you like trash for 400 years lets call it even. That call that a sadistic sense of justice would be too kind.
I had a similar thought while listening to this (loved the whole interview by the way) you could almost fall into the trap of “well if I can prove MLK was on my ‘side’ then my argument is correct” the way I see it (maybe this is oversimplified) but MLK was a great civil rights leader and has gone down in history and is worth citing BECAUSE he preached the “content of character..etc” idea not AND he agreed with this colorblindess idea.
So if she could successfully argue MLK didn’t hold those opinions it would not mean “therefore this other idea is true” it would mean that MLk shouldn’t be in the history books and on street names in every city around America the way he is and should be. Which I think is kind of to your point about the ideas or actions and not get bogged down in the person…. Like, if someone convinced me the moon landing was fake I wouldn’t say “since Neil
Armstrong didn’t walk on the moon and was actually at the grocery store buying milk on that day then we all have to agree that an American hero is someone who buys milk at the grocery store”
Coleman is fantastic. More sane people like him need to be platformed on PBS. For the record, his views are NOT unorthodox.
Good for you, PBS. So happy to see this!! Nice interview 👌
It's crazy that colorblindness is now labeled an "unorthodox" view.
A man bringing some much needed ideas to our current climate, where discussions on the topic such as race, are immediately shot down as being "racist", or "harmful". Colemans experience with TED Talks is a prime example of this. Him simply speaking on this topic, caused a certain overly progressive and sensitive portion of the staff withinTed to say how unsafe his speech was to each of them. The BLM/DEI movement has become more about obtaining power and personal gain then it has in actually promoting diversity for all, most notably the underserved POC. Enriching overly educated and upper class African Americans? CHECK Helping poor African Americans to move upwards in society? NOPE. Patrice Colors great example for this in BLM funds, and these individuals saying to the underserved POC that you are to be a victim the rest of your life, and that no matter how hard you try, the white man and unseen forces, such as systemic racism will never allow you to succeed. So there is no reason to try, and instead take your anger out on society, you will never be any body in this world. Thats the current state of affairs, and we need people like Coleman Hughes, to push back agains the many destructive narratives out there, that are first and foremost hurting the people these many highly educated DEI types claim to want to help.
BINGO! I couldn't agree more with you.
Yep. Weirdly, it's the most privileged and successful progressive blacks that spout this crap and no one seems to ever ask them, "Well, how did YOU get to be successful then?"
It's a version of luxury belief tailored for blacks.
Patrice Cullors is/was a textbook grifter: Claiming to want to do good for all, and then running off with all the money.
Coleman’s podcast is excellent.
Yay Coleman! He is the best and such a wonderful light! 🌌
The way Coleman misrepresents CRT shows his dishonesty. Crenshaw, would never agree with his definition and she was instrumental in CRT scholarship.
IT'S NOT UNORTHODOX. These people...
Common Sense from Mr. Hughes.
"A prominent writer and thinker" would have been a more accurate intro.
“Unorthodox”? What is unorthodox about rational thinking?🙄
Wow! PBS! Holy crap. I can’t believe they are hearing you out.
Kudos to FL for having him on.
This is a great interview. I appreciate Margaret Hoover's intelligent and inquisitive interview method. good job.
Coleman Hughes is why I watched the interview. The good interview is why I subscribed.
Coleman rocks!!
Seems like a neat person to have a conversation with, though at best, he's really misinformed about what CRT and colorblindness are.
He is speaking on how HE understands colorblindness. It is not a single definition, it can be used to mean different things, which he has explained many many times. Listen to HIS definition, then tell me he is misinformed.
@@Sam-kp7ti "He is speaking on how HE understands colorblindness" - sure. That doesn't change the fact his definition of colorblindness and how he perceives MLK's beliefs to have been largely deviates from historical fact and deviates from how MLK expressed himself.
One more thing - the government treating people the same (regardless of race) won't ever fix the racist elements that still exist in society today, that hold back or suppress black Americans.
@@SchnellTim What is your definition of CRT ?
@@SchnellTimHe seems perfectly well informed as to what CRT and color blindness are. It seems that you just don't like his conclusions because they go against your leftist narrative.
The irony of writing a book about color blindness and then being introduced as a black writer.
I didn't even catch that as it has become so ubiquitous from media on the left. Hoover gave herself away there
I was thinking the same thing. I’m an artist but both white and black want to label me a “black artist”. I always have to tell them no, I’m just an artist.
Very calm and patient. It's important to have difficult conversations at a low temperature and that's why it's important someone like Coleman is presenting this argument. And he's not even asking for anything radical. He's just saying let's go back to ideas about race in America from the Civil rights era.
"Unorthodox" said the benevolent white lady to describe the rational black man.
I’ve been arguing Coleman’s argument about racism for a couple of decades now. I totally agree with the young man. There’s no one better to communicate this conundrum than Coleman Hughes.
Coleman Hughes. National treasure. ❤
Coleman Hughes is brilliant! Thank you for hosting him on The Firing Line.
can't wait to see how PBS spins Colman's POV
You’re thinking of Fox news
@@sirdiealot53no, I think they mean PBS.
When does PBS do that?
@@sirdiealot53Fox News will agree with Coleman.
How do you feel about that?
Unorthodox? Makes perfect sense to me.
Coleman …keep going …I know you get a lot of flack but , it’s very important for our youth 💯
Excellent interview. Thank you.
It is absolutely fucking baffling that PBS is placing the burden of proof on the guy advocating to treat individuals as individuals. The white woman insinuating throughout the 27-minute-long interview that the Black interviewee doesn't understand racism is all the evidence you need that modern anti-racism has tipped completely into absurdism.
Except for Ms Hoover's smirking, it was a much better left-sourced interview than any in memory. Her actual words were just fine. She is a good white interviewer (she said Coleman is a black author). Thank you!
Like somebody commented here when's the last time you heard somebody described as a "white author"?
@@mack1305 Unfortunately, "whitemale author" and variations are not uncommon. whitecismale, deadwhitemale, etc.
Yeah she immediately showed by calling him a "black author" that this trait should be highlighted, rejecting colorblind behavior in favor of ethnic categories
Bravo to the “white interviewer” comment!
13:29 This difference between Coleman and Kendi is about 100 IQ points.
Just logged in to say again how much I value Coleman! I'm not even American, but his views on things have affected my own, and I appreciate his intellectual honesty and approach for conversation.
Also would like to say that the interviewer here was great in my opinion. Presented solid objections to what Coleman was saying, and at the same time was respectful and listened to his responses.
One of my heroes. Bravo, Coleman.
I've got a perfect example of DEI: hiring a hole in the air like Margaret Hoover to host William F. Buckley's show.
We're proud of you Coleman 💪💪 Keep doing your thing man.
I really like Coleman and as my intellectual heroes get older, get sick and die (Hitchens, Krauthammer, etc), I'm glad people like him will carry the torch. Also, miss Margaret from the O'Reilly Factor days.
Love Coleman, and Margaret Hoover was fantastic. I love this.
Found Coleman on Glenn and John’s show during Covid. I am hopeful for his generation!
Can we take a moment to appreciate Margaret Hoover? She asks intelligent, pertinent questions, then lets her guest answer them. Clearly understand the topic; just as clearly has no personal agenda.
A decent and intelligent young man.
We’ve had a Black president, a Black singer has the hit country song and there are almost as many TV news anchors of color as there are white. There will always be a segment of the population that are racist or misogynist, but aren’t we past the period where we need identity politics or race based policies? We would be much healthier as a society if we united against the obscene wealth inequality and asked why, in such a rich, technologically advanced country as ours, more than half of working AMERICANS cannot afford a serious illness even with health insurance or a $500 emergency.
Obama is a much white as he is black.
Yes, everything you said is 100% true. However, the identity politics/race-based policies are just about all the left has left (other than abortion) to talk about at this point, so they (and their friends and partners, the media) will continue to obsess over race, to the detriment of the country. The race hustlers are truly pathetic.
The mark of an outstanding intellectual isn't just the depth of his/her intellect but also the ability to explain it with exceptional clarity. Coleman is one in a million.
& Hoover is not nearly up to his level . She's obviously out of her depth.
@@mockatu I see you two were blinded by Coleman Hughes articulation. He is so absolutely clueless about Martin Luther King Jr. I suggest you watch Martin Luther King Jr.'s "We are Coming to Get Our Check" speech. Then you will have an idea of why the Black community has no respect for puppets like Coleman Hughes.
More of this! Coleman Hughes is the voice of sanity we need to prevail in this world.
One question. Since when were classed based policies the ideology of conservatives? Coleman isn’t appealing to conservatives. He’s appealing to liberals.
If you’re truly interested in this topic (helping people) and are honest, this is the logical conclusion.
We need more sane and thoughtful people like this guy
Love Coleman, been listening to him for many years, I subscribe to his podcast and I’m so excited to see him breaking into mainstream venues like this!
I'm so happy to see Coleman and common sense, calm, reasonable conversation getting some air, and air time. Claiming that his views are unorthodox is concerning.
Pretty awesome that PBS had their entire audience live in studio to observe this conversation.
“PROMINENT BLACK WRITER” why not just prominent writer?
Yeah it's like when people are called African-American or Mexican-American...and I'm like they were born and raised in this country, they're American. What do you call a black guy born in Spain? Obviously he's Spanish. Unless it's pertinent to say their skin color or their lineage, I never understood that whole Origin-Country thing they started doing in the 90s. Likely to just foment division..it's been their goal for a long time.
As always, Coleman is the voice of reason that cuts truth through the grifters and charlatans with data and objective facts.
Seeing some disparities as a sign of racism at least makes partial sense in light of the historic treatment of black folks in American. I mean, to think the racial wealth gap (black households on average have 1/8th the wealth of white households) isn't at least IN PART due to one group having a 400 year head start over the other would be willfully ignorant.
Love Coleman Hughes. The grounding in the actual writing of MLK is refreshing. He’s an outstanding interviewer as well … I’ve enjoyed interviews he’s conducted on his own channel.
This was great! Thank you!
You guys have got to start doing longer format interviews than you’re doing
This man is my new favorite ❤ what amazing thoughts and ideas. Keep it up and i will keep watching ❤ again, no thumbs up for any host but only thumbs up to you ❤
His point makes too much sense for educated elites to ever agree with. Argument & division sells. Simpin’ ain’t easy.
Great conversation. Cheers!
PBS has taken a lot of heat lately, which I honestly support, but I still want the organization to succeed. This interview is a great example of presenting reasonable viewpoints fairly even if they're unpopular with ardent progressives.
Agreeing with Martin Luther King makes you conservative, I guess. What he's talking about is actual equality - on the books and in our hearts. And we strive to build something better than what has been handed to us by deciding that we have no enemies - that we in fact will use the better part of our natures to enact change. And we do so by eliminating the worst forms of poverty in this country - through better policy and more responsive governments. We lift all boats.
Certainly some people listening to Coleman here are having their little PBS/NPR ideological bubble pop right before their eyes. Let's have a moment of silence for the death of their white guilt... Amen.
Just read MLK's Where do we go from here? Amazing book that will have tears in your eyes every page.
Listen to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "We are Coming to Get our Check" speech. It is better then his books.
Such an articulate young man. Has giving me a lot to think about. 🙏🏼
Go down that rabbit hole. Hughes is brilliant and rational (not always the same thing) and you'll find a lot more you'll like about him.
I agree that our society should work towards colorblindness
He is one of the reasons I will watch a PBS interview. I have great respect for Coleman. As for PBS... well...
PBS putting in the narrative before it even begins, “unorthodox views”. 🤦♂️
So calm and articulate.
Well-done by both of y'all. I prefer #ColorNeutral
Lol getting to watch a Conversation with Coleman with this goofy awesome lady interviewing him, so proud of this kid.
Wow, he explained that really well. Made sense.
I’m impressed that Firing Line even interviewed Coleman. Kendi flatly refuses to even debate Coleman under the guise of not allowing credence to Coleman’s argument, when in reality, Kendi realizes that his argument and hypothesis folds under rigorous scrutiny and undermines his role as a high priest woke morality.
… and…. Buckley would be proud of this dialog on his legacy show.
Unorthodox = rational, non elitist
Now that was a really fair interview.
Lmao … that empty brain inflection and description of Coleman in the intro was like a radical left mating call 😂😂😂😂
CRT obviates the need for any thought, word or act of racism as proof of their presumed verdict. All they need is their preferred race measuring less favorably than another. Regardless of the cause: they declare their favored race to be victims of the other.
Then they would use real government enforced discrimination in response to their presumed discrimination; altering laws, policies and practices to favor their preferred race.
All for the stated purpose of forcibly making the measurements between races identical.
The operative question is whether you support using government force to implement racial discrimination.
All the rest is academic.
My answer is no.
I agree with Coleman that Republicans claiming that an elected official is the product of DEI is false due to the nature of running for office. Fair play in principle anyway. However, I listened to a guest on 'Heretics' podcast hosted by Andrew Gold, Aaron Smith-Levin. He was a Democrat who sought to run for city council in Clearwater, FL. He was told by his local Democratic Party that they were not endorsing any white candidates, so he registered Republican to run. Anyway, it's definitely something to keep an eye on. It's not surprising at all and hardly even newsworthy.
Democrats are determined to enforce DEI logic into every sphere they can imo. We saw this of course, with the most recent Supreme Court appointment. Biden proudly asserting that only African American women would be considered. Forget about white tears, many people have pointed out how this eliminates consideration from every other minority group, even African American men. It's not like Asian Americans or Hispanic voters don't think this through. What about fair play for their children? Even the term 'BIPOC' clearly prioritizes two minority groups over all others. Intersectionaltiy fuels friction and resentment in our increasingly multicultural society. It shouldn't be a surprise that we're seeing a significant shift in support for Republicans coming from minority voters. DEI is just one of many issues on the Dem platform that a majority is rejecting imo.
I’m surprised liberal pbs gave him a fair shot, nice to see Coleman is such a bright mind