Marshall JCM 800 VS Ceriatone
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- Skip my talking 2:10
Stock 1982 Marshall JCM 800 2203 running at 50 watts
VS
2008 Ceriatone 2204.
TAD 6550 power amp tubes
JJ 12AX7 preamp tubes.
Tubes were moved between the amps for testing.
honestly after hearing the A sample, the B sounded (to me of course) like havin a blanket in front of the speakers
not that much... they are pretty similar, but indeed the A one sounds a little bit more muffled and a little bit less gainny. I found the A one brighter than the B one.
I preferred the Ceriatone. Less low end, tighter mids, rounder highs. :-)
John Guffey I thought it sounded good with some of the riffs, and the 800 was better for some others.
I preferred the ceriatone too! Maybe I should just buy the ceriatone..
Yep... Exactly!
13:58 Refreshing to hear Jealous Again in an amp shootout video. I feel like punk rock is great to play during amp demos to get an idea of how the tone sounds, and you did a really good job at playing a variety of things to capture the tone of the amps. That being said, I personally preferred the roar of the Marshall. But dang, anything 800 related with the pre and master on 10 is just THE SOUND.
Nik is The Man. Straight up. What a badass.
I preferred the balanced smoothness of the Marshall, the Ceriatone had that midrange cone-y sound.
I liked amp "A" the most. It sounded tighter.
Definitely prefer Amp A. Amp B has a cocked midrange quality I have a feeling might not Eq out. So looks like in this instance I prefer the Ceriatone. But you could put two 800’s together like this and hear the same and sometimes greater differences.
Yep.
It seems amp companies use whatever brand of parts are available at the time, and change things when they feel the need. Plus some components have a wide tolerance (+/- 20), and there are a lot of them. Plus values seem to drift over time.
I also picked amp A. I thought it sounded clearer, less muffled.
I liked Amp A better as well. It sounded more hot-rodded 1959 than JCM 800, which is A okay with me.
If A is the Ceriatone I think for the most part we MIGHT be listening to the difference between a 2204 vs 2203. Running a 2203 at 50 watts is NOT the same as playing through a 2204.
Yes, a 2203 and 2204 have a few other differences than 2 output tubes, the Drake transformers in the 2204 actually run at a higher plate voltage than a 2203's Dagnalls, the output transformers sound different, and there's a few parts values that are different on the PCB. I prefer a 2204 over a 2203 any day.
B is the Marshall.
PS-a 2203 with 2 tubes is NOT a 2204-
First off a 2204 uses Drakes. Also, a voltage dropping circuit in the first gain stage was left out on the 2204 while left in on the 2203-
A 2204 has more gain because of this, and it’s Drake transformers.
Mate, you’ve sold me on a Ceriatone 800. Well done.
Both sound awesome and you wouldn't feel bad using or recording either. Back to back, slight advantage Marshall but nobody would really care.
Well shit! STOKED to see that A=Ceriatone. I have had a number of them and I like them quite a lot. I currently have a TMB 33w unit from Nik and I prefer it for clean/cleanish. There is a C 2204 in my area for $800 right now. I want to jump on it.
I guessed right. I would know that feedback whistle of the Marshall anywhere. They both sounded great, but there is a frequency boost in the Marshall that is not in the Ceriatone, and it seems to be the very frequency that feeds back all the time with my Marshalls. They were very close, but I thought the Ceriatone sounded better.
Those are pretty damn close! The only way I could tell each one apart is because of the JCM's feedback not being as present and loud, which is most likely because of the age of the electronics which can be replaced easily.
What causes it?
Amp A yay! i was hoping it was the ceratone lol
I just got a Ceriatone 2204 and put Classictone transformers in it. Sure their are some differences in these two clips but I would be willing to bet 2 Marshall models from the same year will have some slight differences.
Clint Norwood Damn- cool 🙌🏽 I was thinking of doing the same build as you.... do you like the Classictone trannies in there? Seems like you would be getting pretty close to a brand-new “vintage” build JMP/800!
@@ScottRadkeMusic I got the kit with assembly package which is everything put together except for the transformers. I had it modded and the guy who modded didnt want to work on Ceriatone Transformers. Personally I the Ceriatone transformers are fine. Im putting some in a Friedman mini build Im doing now. I just ordered a Molecular so Im excited for that one.
Ha! I was right! They both sounded very good, but I preferred the slightly smoother overdriven sounds of the Marshall.
Wow Ceriatone did a good job with that, they sound really damn close
The Ceriatone gets my vote
Love the Ace riff!! Strange ways
I prefer the 2203. More low mids pronunciation. Great comparison though, and the Ceriatone 2204 definitely has the goods.
Before I learn the results I’m going to post: amp A has got this upper midrange quack and openness that’s a bit more hot rodded plexi/evh, while amp B had this lower mid girth and at times a brutal hm2 kind of roar on the extreme sounds. I’d be happy with either.
I’m at 4:24 and I like A better. It sounds more familiar in terms of upper mid bite to me. I think A is the Marshall. That said, I think amps sound and feel best when transformers and tubes are matched evenly. I have had a number of Superleads throughout the years and I always preferred them with all the tubes in them. My JMP 50 sounded better than any of them if I had pulled 2 tubes. But when all 4 tubes were in those amps... nothing better.
8:31
The Marshall (B) Amp sounds more like it's cupped, if that makes sense? Surprisingly, I preferred the Ceriatone.
Hello dude, aré you still preserve your ceriatone?. I just bought a clone Ceriatone JCM 800 2204 amplifier but it's too noisy, it happens that they only bought the kit already assembled completely, except the transformers and placed transformers classic tone but the person who sold it to me placed the power transformer and the output transformer parallel and not in 90 degrees as it should be done, this is what generates a lot of noise by the so called inductance.
Thank U for your time, saludos desde México.
I got mine fully assembled. Never had any noise issues with it.
Great video and comparison!
I liked Amp A. Kinda nice to see it's the Ceriatone. The Marshall sounded more 'squashed' - that's the technical term, don't bother to look it up.
Cool comparison - thanks.
Marshall sounded more played in. Both sounded great.
ha, awesome feedback and all.. Marshall sounds more Mashally..nice and thick
Any reason you ran them at 10 ?
10 isn’t always the best level for the best tone…..I would’ve enjoyed hearing them both on say 4, 7, then maybe 10….both sounded incredibly similar to me…..
both sound great, the Ceriatone is a little brighter. Probably due to the tubes being removed from the Marshall giving it a darker sound.
I knew amp A sounded alot more like the 4010 that I owned than amp B. The mid bump was lower and made the distortion more grainy on B, and the chug chug palm mute was totally gone so those lower values are cut off.
3 db must be a lot because the difference between my JCM 2000 100w and my JCM 900 50w is A HUGE difference. I can crank my 900 all the way up and it's bearable by my JCM 2000 half way is ear blasting
I like more to A..more crunchy tighter..B also great..much fuller tone..good for rhythm
So the JCM 800 was more compressed? Different transformers?
More intelligibility in the Ceriatone, 100w amps are not performing correctly with two tubes pulled though. There used to be a thread at Marshallforum somewhere, a tech guy explained the circuit just goes haywire in a certain chain of events due to transformer being oversized.
The JCM800 sounds so much better I knew it was B within 1 second.
Well, heck you've got 2 cabs. Run both. Mono or Stereo or both. Win! Win!
So now that ceriatone amp prices have shot up close to vintage amp prices, what’s the new company making good amps for cheap? The market needs more competition to keep prices low. I know the wangs amps are still cheap, but they use cheap components.
Weird you were getting feedback standing right next to a domed Marshall!?! 😂
I know the 800 is a master volume head, but has anybody ever done a ppimv on an 800?
Btw, nice guitar!!
I had a JCM800 2204 and I modded it with a ppimv. I didn´t really like it. I always felt like it took something away from my tone. I tought it sounded much better (and louder :P ) without the ppimv engaged. But it was useful at gigs when the soundguy wanted me to turn it down.
Thank you so much for the video bro, good job! Ceriatone Sounds great,
However, I would like to hear the Marshall with all four tubes in it as it will even the test out much better,
Merry Christmas👍
100 Watt in person will sound bigger, 50 Watt might sound better recorded, less bass and more mid focused. Both sound great though. A 50 watt jmp 2204 is my amp of choice. I know it's an old video but what we're the speakers in the cab?
Nice comparison! I preferred B for the bark in the midrange which I guess is typical about the 800. There's just something "irreverent" about the Marshall.
In a mix i would prefer the ceriatone.
No way I much prefer A that’s wild
I don't know which is which, but i like Amp A more.
Ceriatone better!! More balanced and clear. But also the Ceri is based of the 2204 which is quite differant from 2203 especially later ones from later 80s. That would be a better test if you had a real later 80s 2204
A amp smoked b amp hands down...... How do I know which is which
The Ceriatone sounds more like a JMP instead of JCM. I think it's a JMP 2204 clone. That explains the difference in tone, Marshall JMP doesn't sound as compressed as a JCM.
im about to build one and i believe you're correct. the ceritone 2204 is the JMP late 70s circuit just prior to the JCM800 where the cascaded gain stage has diode clipping added. The JMP sounds more raw and a little sweeter the 800 is a bit more wooly and has slightly less gain. JMP is the quintessential master volume rock tone IMO. my ceriatone 2204 kit arrives tomorrow im putting a metro effects loop in it too can't wait!!
JMP and early JCM’s (like this one) had 100% identical circuits, same PCBs and everything. The only difference is cosmetics. Where things start to change a bit is in the late ‘83 to early ‘84 era cap and transformer changes. The Ceriatone 2204’s closest Marshall relative would be an 83-84 JCM, the JMP and early JCM 2204’s have lower voltages (~390v vs. ~450v)
Vacuum Chamber Peanut Gallery How did the build go? Do you like the tones you are getting? Stock Christine trannies?? (Sorry for all the questions..... I’m thinking of doing the same project 🙇🏼♂️)
2204 sounds more hifi. I wonder if the tone stack is slightly different with the marshall- you could prob get *slightly* closer if you were looking to match by tweaking mid and treble on 2203 - but ceriatone is def sweet sounding
The Marshall wins this one to me.
The Marshall sounded better to me. A little more muffled but had better low end tone. The Ceriatone sounded ok too but i noticed a lot of feedback.
Yay me! I preferred “A”…
I could hear the JCM800 immediately. Haha. Has that bark and voice none can copy 100%. They both sounded good though. If someone wanted a different voice of JCM800 then they would be well served with a ceriatone. Although nothing comes close to the 800 in my opinion. But it helps when you own a JCM800, as I have a 1982 JCM800 and play it through a 1990 1960b.
Ceriatone to my ears. Sweet deafness after this I’m sure
Thay sound the same.
Amp A
It's not a Marshall. It's a Ceriatone. So why did you put a "Marshall" on it? If you want a Marshall pay the entry fee.
Things to note: Three decibels is not the only advantage of 100 watts. And headroom isn't just about louder clean. Read the above link.
Amplifier components degrade over time. Unless there's a lot of new stuff inside that '82, it's not a fair comparison.
That Marshall sounds terrible you should sell it to me for $300