"we shouldn't even be thinking about winning in some real sense, we should be thinking about how to make things better" that is such a good quote and it applies to almost everything in life
He is dropping pearls encased within layers of silver, gold, and platinum. I can't articulate just how valuable what he is saying actually is. His speech is so refined that everything he is saying is archetypically beyond wise. The wisest words often appear to be the simplest and most fundamental. That is because in order to dive deep one must first take care to navigate the shallow waters.
@dandagod official I wouldn't assume that I am conservative. I have not identified myself as such. We need to stop this dualistic war. Most folks who identify with either political party need to take a step back and ask themselves whether or not they are simply trying to be on a "winning" team. Just like JP said; the desire to win is NOT the right approach. That is why I typically don't post comments on the internet; I don't want to compete with some stranger in an argument, and that seems to be where these conversations inevitably lead. It is not always easy to circumscribe the right things to do. You have to start somewhere. Parents give general restraints to their kids but a good parent also allows their child a certain level of freedom so as to learn on their own. Freedom is important. I do not want to tell you or anyone what to do or say. All I can do is speak for myself. This group identity stuff is a big part of the problem. It all inevitably leads back to Tribalism.
You see, conservatives always lose because everyone but a conservatives can see the hypocriticy of the modern neo- conservative. They wish to live in the modern world of 40- hour work weeks, electricity, computers, cell phones, television, middle class wages, and medical cures - all progressive developments, as in 'progress' - but then also tell everyone out of the other side of their mouths that they must live according to an old set of "traditions" that conservatives believe they get to call out.
@dandagod official That's a very easy question to answer. Conservatives want women to function as a brood mare for the state, gays to be executed, and everyone to be either a Christian or a second class citizen as they force a theocracy on the government.
It's a nice proposition, but without winning, you have no means to make things better. We've seen what kind of crimes the Federal Government will commit when it's filled with people who don't wish to "make things better". Regardless of what they say or how they act.
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
@@AbominationalFailure was your question a 'Good' help? or another look into the area of "times change" at work without a second thought. "good" never used to be so hard to decipher.
@@brianthomson6512 good, like morality, is and always has been defined by society. It's also not black and white. For example, the old hypothetical "you take a time machine back in time and murder Hitler before the Holocaust, was what you did good?" Some people will say yes because you prevented millions of deaths. Some people will say no because you murdered someone.
A point that I have brought up several years back. Technology has been moving forward so fast that we ourselves haven't quite caught up to it. Thanks, JBP!
Much like Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park, I'm a proponent of just because we CAN do something doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD do it. Here's a great example you can try yourself. Next time you go for a run try to run so fast that you outpace your own legs. You could easily trip over yourself and deal self harm.
Jordan Peterson is fatherly in the way that Mr. Rogers was fatherly. And in a nation of fatherless children struggling so hard to find their way, this is precisely what we need.
What an amazing human being, ppl don't put labels on yourselves, conservative or liberal, left or right, you can hear a person out and you know if he/she speaks the truth. You know it well. God bless Jordan Peterson.
Dr Peterson's first sentence is PERFECT: We NEED NEED NEED to learn how to TELL STORIES! Arguments and charts and "facts facts facts" can only go so far. We need to connect EMOTIONALLY.
That, is the PROBLEM with the WORLD! TOO MANY people, TOO MANY OPINIONS and DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES! There will NEVER BE CHANGE for them reasons! POLITICS, RELIGION and EQUALITY can't be agreed on by more than 2-3 people before it turns into a FIGHT!?! The ONLY HOPE for HUMANS is a MUSSEL!
Telling stories is a good skill, but you will need to start telling _true_ stories, and save the fairy-tales for the nursery. ("Without government we owned our income, and then a bunch of crooks banded together and called themselves 'government', and now they rob us and get away with it by calling the robberies 'taxes'!" is _not_ a true story. "A man spoke with God, and was murdered and entombed, and was returned to life and will save you if you believe in Him" is also _not_ a true story.)
@@ColonelFredPuntridge hey, bro, say WHATEVER you want to about this dude, but LEAVE JESUS CHRIST OUT of it! Regardless of what you BELIEVE, you WILL BOW to him in the END like EVERYBODY else!!!!
I agree with Dr. Petersen 100%...the problem I see with these younger generations is that they been taught that everything that happens to them is somebody else's fault not theirs...so they don't get responsibility of their doings.
I totally agree, I see all my peers around me embracing wokeism and being indoctrinated, and I find it disgusting that adults around me are reinforcing that
I mean. Inflation, housing, education, life expectancy, political lobbying. Most of the problems that plague us aren't because of them. It's the boomer generation. Can you really blame the younger generations, things are corrupt and they know it.
Remember when JP blamed his drug addiction on his wife's cancer? Love that personal responsibility! Thank goodness he could afford treatment (which lots of people in the US can't).
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
If there are and you allow laws for homosexual marraige, pedophilia, hebephilia, prostitution, polygamy, polandry, genital mutilation then you have taken the true God out of houses of worship and out of people's homes. Then you are dying spirits and true love does not exist.
I believe that a lot of this comes down to a quote by G. K. Chesterton. “When the unthinkable becomes debatable it eventually becomes acceptable.” When we the regular normal family oriented people just sit back and be quiet this happens. I remember the old story The Emperor has no clothes.
And also by Chesterton, and I paprphrase: " When man no longer believes in God, he does not believe in nothing, [rather] he is then capable of believing Anything."
@@OutnBacker thank you for your added information from Chesterton. This is I believe the beginning of the end times battle. Without God man is overcome by his sin nature. It is only through the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit that anyone can slay their sin.
I was just thinking about this. The fact a studio quality video with millions of views can be broadcast saying "were coming for your children" and the reaction is not any less than for parents across the country to take the very lives of those involved, your country is beyond the point of return to anything salvageable.
its crazy tho bc the only way to spread the propaganda is through victimhood, and by highlighting their insidious tactics as inclusivity, equity, and freedom... literally anything will pass if you claim you're a victim. they hide destructive tendencies in constructive ways. oh and don't forget to sprinkle some "shaming and cancelling" when someone catches them in the act.
The problem with todays society is that shown responsibility is not rewarded accordingly with appropriate amounts of authority, especially for those who don’t have much to their name in the first place. No one likes doing their best for basically nothing except for “respect” of people you might not even want it from, you’ll be taken advantage of and the motivation to be good and responsible fades as you become jaded and cynical about what actually advances you in life just by seeing what advances others in life (which commonly aren’t good traits like selfishness, ruthlessness, impulsive lying, etc) It’s a good thing to be a stoic, but in reality not everyone is cut out to be and live out a stoic life, and that’s just the truth of it. You have to allow avenues or incentives for those who aren’t willing to sacrifice their time for well wishes.
Hmmm I don't necessarily agree because that can be turned around if you look at it from a different perspective as well as being aware of your desires which can lead to self-improvement which is also part of personal responsibility which is what JP emphasizes a lot of in his speeches and videos. It's not that people aren't cut out to be stoic, it's also the fact that they just can't be bothered. The woke has definitely shown this through their unwarranted emotional detests. And besides who cares if not everyone is stoic, they shouldn't concern you and your stoicism. I'd say just put your head down and carry on what you're doing. And secondly, I would also say be selective in who you want to be responsible too...because you can't always please everyone. And if you're attracting the right type of crowd then most likely you will definitely be rewarded (in whatever way).
Generally, I just hate the competition we’ve made out of politics. We shouldn’t be trying to “defeat” the other side. It’s not like everyone on the other side are evil bastards that we have to destroy.
In which defeat isn’t even an achievable or desirable outcome. Fighting every meaningless battle motivated by hate isn’t a good framework of doing any good. The extremes of both sides taint the good in society. This opens the door to true evil, and the bottom of the moral hierarchy to step in
I used to think that as we grew technologically we didn’t grow emotionally to the same extent so we have become like kids in a sweet shop. Too many people have access to stuff that gratifies their ‘I want…’ impulses (which seems to have morphed nowadays into ‘I need…’) without the necessary emotional growth to get these things responsibly. For example, a woman of 60 who wants a child because she can now have one…without thinking about how this could impact on her child. Or people who have loads of plastic surgery when it’s not needed to avoid accepting themselves for who they are.
Or the ability to experiment on coronaviruses without the recognition that we're not responsible enough to guarantee it won't get out and kill 7 million people...
I love how much I can identify in the way Jordan thinks, in when he becomes comfortable in the way he transmits his thoughts, when it just flows. Lovely feeling spreading knowledge that can be heard. Mostly we can only hope that it is received and reciprocated.
Peterson is absolutely correct. Here's how I'd put the problem: 1. Not presenting an assertive, confident, and more compelling vision for society, life, and the future. Always being too conciliatory and wisht-washy about one's convictions 2. Little regard for the importance and power of the arts, stories, language, and culture 2. Focusing on federal level politics at the expense of the local, thinking federal level politics or focusing on politics exclusively and in general is the only solution worth pursuing 3. Cowardice, the inability to speak truth to power, and the refusal to stand on principle when there might be a cost attached to doing so, remaining silent just to get along with no regard for the future being left to future generations ("I have a job/kids, I can't stick my head out.") 4. Infighting, backbiting, purity spiraling, refusing to work with people toward common goals because they don't agree on everything
All he says is true, but there are other things that tilt the balance. Activists subverting every institution, kicking out all but their own, failing to investigate their own for fraud, then fake conservatives taking bribes, falling for honeytraps or other coercion. It's not a level playing field. For years I heard of the koch brothers in the US as boogeymen, then found Tides Foundation and others spend many multiples what they ever did. The CCP and cartels influence quite a lot more than most realize. ie One has used non-citizens to join the LPC and vote in nomination processes to put forward their own assets. Hard for Canada to track if someone says "here's a bank vault in Bejing with your name on it if you do what we say."
The 4th point is a major problem. While the rest are equally valuable, the 4th point is exactly what is wrong with Americans 2 party system. If you're athiest, you're likely going to have to vote democrat to match your values. If you're raised in a well off family you'll likely end up republican, if you're a racial minority, republicans might scare you and even if democrats aren't much better you'll vote against the party who's voters scare you. America is a universally accepted false dichotomy.
because the world is going crazy, when a person is conservative, most of the time people will see him/her as someone who's afraid of change, couple years ago i wasn't conservative, but after i saw how bad our world and the people have become, i became conservative, if the changes that happen to this world are good, why would i deny them
I've never thought of you as either conservative or liberal, I've just seen you as someone who is honest and willing to say things how they are, and you're honest about the reality of human nature. I guess the far left today has been taken over by a crowd that has other agendas and doesn't like honesty. But I know plenty of people who aren't conservative who are unhappy about all this too. While I am a conservative myself, I've always seen your commentary as involving things that really aren't political in nature, but some political animals out there have made them so I guess.
The Left, by definition, does not hold honesty as a value. Their overriding value is to achieve their agenda. If the truth is in the way of achieving their agenda, they jettison the truth.
The far right and the far left are in many ways similar in that they only have their own self interest neither have any benefits to the betterment wider society.
As a "Progressive" i agree. I've personally never been afraid to debate to the best of my ability, despite my complete lack of skill of doing so. Typing words on the internet is arguably better because i can take time to respond and do so articulately. I always despised those on the Left who become too cowardly to stand up for anything. Who don't wanna debate or reason with anyone about whatever it is they side on. The low-key ( and sometime not low at all) _elitisms_ amongst some has always unnerved me too. Although, to some minor extent, i also understand why that started to become a thing amongst some on the Left originally, largely in response to the growth of the radical Far-Right Theocrats, who've driven the conservative arguments on religion to the Farthest Right imaginably, over a much longer period of time. Short of it: We need to collectively grow up, and quit lying, and mischaracterizing to one another.
Brit here. I can't speak for anyone else, but conservatism lost me when the Conservative Party of my country murdered 350,000+ of their own people with austerity politics, and they have not been voted out after more than 10 years in power. So, my question is, how am I supposed to take the accusation that "the left controls government" seriously when the right-wingers responsible for all that bloodshed are *still* ruling over my country, *still* inflicting pointless amounts of pain, death, and misery on innocent people, and our Labour Party has pretty much had all the leftism ripped right out of it?
If life has taught me anything, it's that the truth always emerges. When you lie, you're just delaying the inevitable. It'll eventually surface, and often at the most inopportune of times.
This is Truth, modern media does EXACTLY the opposite. There’s probably good opportunity in sharing stories of great people that took on great responsibilities.
"Modern" Media is corporate media. Repeal, and not replace, these things: Parts of the telecommunications act of 1996, and Citizen United. Would have an immediate impact on the Media landscape.
As a person who overcame a painful stammer but still suffers some i find it amazing how great a public speaker you are, i`m not sure everyone catches it but its a real source of joy for me to see it wont hold me back as long as what i have to say is interesting.
@@RealHooksy biden seems to lose words and thoughts rather than stutter from a technical POV but i get ure point. mine wasnt so much the content of what JP said in this merely an observation of a difficulty he`s had and the technique he uses to get himself going wen stuck. and for some yes that is inspiring the technique and the ability to speak to so many people in spite of it. not everyone thinks politically with every statement they make and actually if i was in the states id prob be a borderline leaning dem.
Government is not only authoritarian on their citizens , but even on their opposition in the political arena , and there are those who blindly follow off the cliff of responsability & reasoning .
‘We have to be as good as we are technologically powerful. And right now, we are more technologically powerful than we are good’. I pondered this very concept last night when I was addressing some troubles of mine: I’m the only person I know who doesn’t like the idea of relying solely on virtual communication among other things, yet everyone else in my circles of camaraderie is almost obtusely content with it. Worse still, they are content with leftist ideology, a fact I find very disturbing. Keep educating us, Dr Jordan, you wonderful teacher of ultimate values and meaning.
I love you and your family that I have witnessed in various situations. The love and laughter and utter comfort shines so bright and true. What's not to love?!! Been watching you for some time, love your brilliance and this topic is no exception!! God Is using you. It is all over you and your family. Praise God!!
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
@@ko7305 I agree with you and know the evils of this world. I hope you know Jesus as your Savior. He is the only way we have out of this Godless world! Peace and Blessings to you and your family 🙏
"Hungry for reciprocation" I spent many years doing this. The entire structure fell apart after a divorce and I had to start again. That didn't work either. I spent quite a bit of time doing the usual thing...sacrifice, contribute, enjoy. When I needed help moving, no one showed. This isn't easy. When The culture has become narcissistic, reciprocation is weakness. I think more is needed.
I've helped many move and it was rare that I ever got any real meaningful help including from the persons I was helping. I can see why people refuse. It's not that they dont care. We just don't want to wear ourselves out hauling someone else's garbage from one place to another.
What a good answer! Tell the truth no matter what. Truth sets us free. Be a good guy that practically works out adventurously. We need to be better fast, every now and then.
The very first minute he gets right to the point: Conservatives need to have a better story to tell, and they need to act out that story. Forget what political side you take. You’re most likely one of the 95% of people who want to do EXACTLY what he mentioned in his first moments: You have a desire to do the best you can for those around you. Don’t behave like you belong in the 5% of people who are so self-centered they’ve lost the ability to have empathy. You’re not them. Don’t be jealous of that type of life. Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice. No life shines when all you’re trying to do is fit in with people who live in darkness. It’s not political.
Thanks Bob! I just wrote on a small piece of paper: "Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice." Then I taped it where I can see it every day. Greatly appreciated Brother! JB Nashville, TN
I told the truth about a very minor accident I had in a semi truck that didn't cause any damage, the property owner wasn't upset and never made a claim and I didn't damage my company's property either. Didn't even scratch the paint. I was forthright and reported it immediately. My regional supervisor decided to take my entire $4300 quarterly bonus over that. I'd worked there 5 years at the time without an accident, ticket, complaint, injury or damage to anything. I had no negative record with my company at all and had never cost them anything, I only made them money hand over fist. He stole my bonus because he could and there was no appeal. It was the only time in my life I can honestly say I was a victim. All for telling the truth. I could've easily lied and said it wasn't me. There were no cameras and no witnesses and the minimal damage was cosmetic. In the oil fields, no one cares about that anyway. A supervisor didn't even have to drive all the way out there and fill out a report. I took all the pictures and wrote up what happened. All he had to do was type on his keyboard and click his mouse and I'm out $4300. I learned a lesson that day and certainly don't think _honesty is the best policy_ is right anymore. Not for me.
Often deception will be more lucrative financially. That doesn't mean it is the better route in life. If honesty doesn't cost you anything, then everyone would do it. Maybe grow up and realize you gained much more than you lost.
Yeah, corporations like to take advantage of honest, hard-working people any way they can. I can personally attest to this fact. I was working at UPS as a seasonal driver this past year (50-60 hrs a week) supposedly making $21/hr. But when the paychecks came, they amounted to just a few dollars. Couple that with the fact that I had to drive in rush-hour traffic both in the morning AND the evening, AND wear a uniform, AND go through a shit ton of training to even get the job, and...well, you get the idea. Not only that, but I was still reeling from losing one of my dearest friends earlier in the year. I hadn't given myself enough time to grieve her passing, and when I finally rage quit UPS, the combined weight of everything I went through that year slammed me into a severe depression. I would have offed myself if I didn't have family and friends to turn to...
Even as an atheist, I find that the problem is morality and meaning were passed down as stories throughout human history because we didn't always have science or scalable written media. Now people are taking these stories from religion and mythology literally, scoffing, and throwing it in the bin... but that is not the point. Religion and myth are literally the evolution of human morals and meaning over thousands of years... Don't throw that away and expect no consequences! Those stories need to be told again and in a format that resonates with our modern age!
Talking about "responsibility" without fleshing out the concept makes it very easy to misunderstand or not to understand at all. It would have been useful to oppose responsibility to guilt and blame so that the audience might have grasped the meaning of it. However the part on "acting out" is so on point. Pointing out the discrepancy, and in a sense the hypocrisy between speech and behaviour, between the beliefs that are supposedly upheld verbally but not at all manifested actually, one of the most obvious one being: To believe in God or to believe in Jesus-Christ.
I really want a JP analysis of this movies: Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion, Apocalypto. They all have archetypal themes relevant today, specially for young people how are distant a more traditionally conservative message.
@@redtobertshateshandles Haven't seen the movie, but I can connect the dots. Also, I suspect JP is into cults and/or it'd be easy to convince him into many creepy things. Religion is just a protection.
For the liberals, truth doesn't matter that much. It's all about what one feels to be true, which shouldn't be judged or tested against reality or the truth it corresponds to.
Some people lie to keep from hurting another's feelings. What they don't consider is what will happen when the person that has been lied to, finds out the truth. Not only will that truth still be "hard"/painful, but it will have the pain of being lied to, on top of the painful truth. "A hard truth is easier to deal with before the falsehood of a lie gets combined with it." -DOS
Im beyond grateful to this man. He brought me to understand christ as the truth. God and his son care to love humanity, only a being who loves the world would tell humanity the secret to eternal love openly: love in service of truth shall set you free through space and time, its cosmological. This guy is a being operating in preparation to ascend worlds.
@shawntucker9283 Based on what you said, you are a Vaishnava Hindu too. Do you know how much Lord Krishna talks about transforming the human and understanding the cosmos?
@@bryanutility9609 Why would he want to talk anyone out of the conservative right finally stepping up and taking our country back? Most of what he talks about are the core roots of the old-school conservative right, so what exactly does he ha tveo debate them over? I'm a classical liberal and right now if the conservative right finally starts standing up the commi marxist woke garbage that has infected everything I will be happy to help them in every way I can.
Free speech.... that is what we need We can't "tell a better story" or what ever if we can't get our message out in the first place - can't solve problems we can't talk about.
Wow he's so right about this adventure topic. When I took back my faith, made peace with my father 20 yrs ago. The adventure is still going strong. I have taken on many responsibilities and now run a charity that earns $200,000 a yr. The Joy, Wisdom and Peace it brings is beyond my wildest expectations. But wait there's more. The brotherhood of like minded men sharing in the goal of charity fills the emptiness that the secular world leaves.
@@bunjier4041 I feel good for the people the money helps. Single mothers, widows, the poor, hungry etc. It's not about feeling good about myself. It's about feeling good about being at peace with God and myself. I drop the figure there to help you set a goal for yourself. I do it to inspire a younger generation. You can't even use your own name and picture. How do you feel about that?
These are the real reasons that conservatives lose: 1. You're out of touch. The majority of republican voters are over the age of 50. That should tell you that your approach is not resonating with the younger generations. This should be cause for questions, but is usually dismissed instead as a fluke. This doesn't mean that you need to change your values to appeal to younger people, but change your approach. And be willing to admit and learn when you're wrong. I think that Lauren Southern is actually doing good work in that regard. She is willing to examine some of the conditions that push young people to the left. Hint: it's not just liberal owned media, institutions, schools, etc. Although that's part of it. 2. Your political opponents on the left benefit from decades of activism and advanced political organizing, stretching all the way back to the civil rights era. They draw upon this knowledge to train young activists how to be effective. Activist training is baked into leftist philosophy and culture. Not only that, but they truly believe in their cause. To many on the left, political organizing is a lifestyle and they are willing to dedicate whatever it takes to meet their goals, even if they are not getting paid for it. There is no right wing equivalent. 3. In contrast to the previous point, most of the prominent right wing influencers are more passionate about lining their own pockets than they are about any political cause. The evidence is in the fact that many large, right wing influencers do nothing more than peddle surface level outrage bait to their audience. I rarely ever see anyone actually elaborating below surfave level on anything they report. It always boils down to "let's point and laugh at the freaks" or "X group is destroying society." Nobody seems to be interested in the hows & whys. The Daily Wire is a perfect example. Anything they produce that is even slighly more informative or culturally relevant that could potentially make waves is stuck behind a paywall. For example: Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman." That documentary could have made an impact in many corners of the internet had it been available to a wider audience. But the Daily Wire prioritizes money over shifting culture. The left understands that those kinds of documentaries should be free, because they are a cultural investment. The only people willing to pay to watch these things are your own supporters, so you just end up preaching to the choir. 4. You're not paying enough attention to what the left is doing, nor are you doing enough to counter it. It's not sufficient to raise awareness about some of the activism that the left is doing and leave it at that. The left doesn't rest on their laurels. They are ALWAYS working, lobbying the govt, corporations & schools. They never stop doing workshops and trainings. Even when you expose what they're doing, they will continue to do it. Even when you create laws to prevent their teaching, they work around them. They are highly organized, intelligent, and they believe that they are saving the world. You have to understand that they will not give up, which means that keeping up with what they are doing is a full time job.
"Conservative" fundamentally means the unconscious process and behavior of introjection. Introjection is the unconscious internalization of the patterns of behavior and projections of others. Introjection is the opposite of conscious response-ability. Conscious response-ability is not beholden to the stories, unconscious reasons,/patterns of behavior, and coercive domination hierarchies of conservatism. Conscious response-ability is entirely task, process, and homeostasis oriented. From the perspective of conscious response-ability, Jordan's way of speaking is recognized as verbal clutter intended to avoid cleaning up his traumas and incomplete developmental tasks.
Disagree with the last few moments of this clip. While most people feel some form of reciprocity, sociopaths see do gooders as weak and this justifies taking advantage of these 'stupid people' as sociopaths see them even more. Sociopaths are predators of others wealth, power and position. It is the human drive to survive individually at all costs with almost no recognition that others' lives have personal value to themselves. There is no cure for this personality type in my opinion. I think it is an element of the mix of human genetics that has been with us for eons.
Yep. It's called the weakness of the flesh. . .or, sin in an "old Book. " The cure has been given, in the gospel of Jesus Christ. I know: doesn't impress most people! Still, I declare it's TRUE, and in essence that's what JBP is speaking about.
@@adamgates1142 and people like yourself become Muslim the more woke you get just look at Europe. You throw away Christian value you just let islam full access to your wives and daughters. Secularism falls apart cause islam more aggressive.
The next time Robert Cialdini does another version of his classic "The Psychology of Persuasion" wherein he details the art of reciprocity, I want this speech to be included as an example. This is one of the best conversations about RECIPROCITY ever.
But what do we do when a large portion of people genuinely believe lies as truth? Telling the "truth" in this case seems to just cause division and contempt. It needs to also be about finding the real truth and being an impartial judge.
Calling everybody dumb for not agreeing with you is basically why in every country the opposition loses. I'm from a conservative country and the reason our opposition parties are losing is mostly because they're thinking highly of themselves. Which comes off as ignorant to the other side thus makes you unauthentic
I think Michael Knowles made a good point when he said conservatives keep getting soft and keep allowing more and more. So much so that you get called a conservative for even questioning the gender ideology.
I'm an independent realist. Mid 30s. I feel like a lot of my morals and values coincide with the idea of conservatism. I agree with Jordan about telling a better story, and I see in the comments alot of people saying we need to connect emotionally more. With who then? I worked very hard to address my own homelessness and to get far in life and everytime I meet someone who votes democrat, they're bitter, angry, and upset. I gave up on them and I focused on myself. As a conservative I'm exhausted helping people. The every day democrat is going to have to fail and lose for us to fill the void. I'm tired of hearing more minimum wage, go vote, universal healthcare, I don't want to work hard, I can't find a date, I can't afford a home, or a car. You know what? You didn't want to listen to my story. So I gave up on the people who are 20-40 years old who haven't grown up. I'm not going to tell a good story if they don't want to listen. What are young moral conservative, true liberals, constitutionalists supposed to do?
You're supposed to "Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice." ~ Bob Andrews. And Chris you're supposed to stand up straight even when you feel down. And you're supposed to work hard to NEVER let other people or events bring you down or make you bitter. You were born to be courageous or you wouldn't be commenting here. And remember the wisdom of Epictetus: "It's not things that disturb us, but our interpretation of their significance." Move toward the good brother and KNOW in your heart and mind that you are good. You are not alone.
I’m a tribalist. I suggest you connect with other conservatives, constitutionalists, and true liberals. That is our tribe. We should not spend the majority of our time helping our enemy, but each other. Then we can help them if we want.
Well, many TV shows, movies, video games, books, etc... have told the story of how responsibility has better consequences than being irresponsible. Most "heroic" shows that aren't infested with angst, or being "subverted" by bad writers fall into that category. There are a few problems with that, however, and a few reasons why that message doesn't resonate when told as a story. 1. Most good stories about responsibility don't try to sugar-coat the serious consequences of being responsible (such as Star Trek TNG; "First Duty," and "The Legend of Zelda; Ocarina of Time".) This makes the responsible characters very often seem less like enviable figures and more like pitiable ones. 2. Most characters who derive meaning from being responsible (Batman, for instance,) are routinely co-opted and written poorly, specifically to break them of this. 3. Most characters who are written as deriving meaning from responsibility (Batman, Superman, Master Splinter, Luke Skywalker, Samurai Jack, Lion-O, etc...) are male. It is just as important to encourage responsibility in women as it is in men, and quite a bit harder to do; especially through the medium of storytelling. This matters now especially, since LGBTQABCZXY*@ never would have gone anywhere, had it not been for the support of female activists. How are you expecting people to win anything, when a large portion of the population don't care about the stories you're telling? And no; I'm certainly not saying that we need to fill some kind of diversity quota or anything. I'm saying you need a plan to inspire women to take responsibility, or this thing can't go anywhere. If women aren't willing to do this, many men won't be willing either, and they'll tell you that you're operating under a double-standard for even suggesting it. 4. Most people recognize that there is a difference between fiction and reality. Therefore, the lessons of fiction shouldn't necessarily be taken too seriously. Some are very good, but others only apply in the context of the show or movie in question, and would be terrible lessons to apply to real life. 5. If instead of "story," what you mean is "framing device for real events," you're talking about the art of making things look like other things, and there is no book on how to do that, though some online content creators have been doing this pretty successfully for the last decade or so. 6. Finally, how do you coerce people into accepting that responsibility, beyond conveying that it can subjectively make some people feel as though their actions have meaning? Once again, sadly, you show the critical weakness of modern conservatism by referring only to your ages-old method; shame. Shame will not work. The left has been shaming independent thinkers for years, for not doing things that made no rational sense, so the people who are not part of the cult, and whose minds are open to a better way forward, are already immunized against shame as a method. If that's the best you have, you're doomed. There are people who are rational, independent thinkers. The best way to engage with them is through honest discourse and discussion of your differences of opinion, and the reasons for those differences. Those who are rational listen to good reasons, and many of them wield great influence in the world. There are also people who are entirely self-centered, who are only concerned about their own lives and their own fates, and who recognize that the left's methods are not best for either one. The best way to engage with them is to convince them that responsibility will yield rewards, that will allow them to improve their lives, or that there is a larger, further-off prize that will benefit them even more in the long run. These methods used to be used by Christians to make converts, and now, neither one is used, except by independent, Christian speakers. The only kind of person who you can't get through to with these methods are people who are emotionally-impulsive; who react instead of making choices. Because they don't take responsibility for the choices they make, many of these people are actual lunatics, and there's a reason why such people were once locked up in asylums until they were no longer a danger to themselves or others. As they're not independent thinkers, shame might actually work on them, but only if they're kept from escaping before the process is complete. Finally, no message that you send out into the world is more convincing than a person's experiences. No matter how much you try to preach responsibility to a man who's been divorce-robbed by a fickle ex-wife, he won't listen to you, because he knows that the consequences of trying to be responsible for another person can be catastrophic and life-ruining if they turn on you with the full backing of the family court system. This is just one example of how this can happen. If it seemed as though conservatives were making a sincere effort to try to solve the real problems, which are responsible for these kinds of experiences, perhaps more people would listen, but placing the entire burden of fixing a broken system solely on the shoulders of each individual person is always a losing bet; especially when you're not fighting those battles with all of your might either. On the flip side of that, when a person's decision to take responsibility leads to them gaining obvious, measurable benefits that they couldn't gain otherwise, it will teach them that responsibility is often a good thing. For instance, when the Ipod Classic went off the market, I went looking for an alternative from some other company. It was a hard hunt, and difficult to adjust to, at first, but in the long run, the benefits have outweighed the burdens. Conservatives should put more effort into encouraging this kind of behavior, because people will have an easier time adjusting to responsibility if they already have firsthand experience that the most convenient choice is very rarely the most rewarding.
Aside from social issues, the number one reason why conservatives lose (especially with young people) is due to the repetitive economic banter. "Get married, buy a home, work for 30+ years, pay into Social Security!" I am 29 years old and I am one of the last of my age group to be buying homes. People even a few years behind me can't afford it! I was fortunate enough to buy a home in Spring of 2020, get married, and have a child. However, for younger people this is almost impossible with how much the US Dollar has been devalued over the last 40 years. The repercussions of Covid were that the devaluation of our living standards sped up by almost a decade in a short period of time. Many young people saw their parent's marriages destroyed in the 2000s, they look at a $400k home as utterly impossible, and they KNOW they will never receive Social Security. All the while the interest sitting on their student loans will be nearly impossible to pay off should those loans resume. People can't even afford to pay their loans currently while we are sitting at dangerous inflationary levels. If one mishap were to take place in the stock market, the inflation would temporarily drop and then soar to 20%+ percent; it will make June inflation of 9.1% look like a cake walk. People are terrified of the economic repercussions we are up against. So when young people hear "work harder, get married, pull yourself up"; it just doesn't click with tens of millions of people. It truly feels like fighting against a tsunami sized tidal wave. I can't exactly empathize with their situation because the money I earned and the timing of my lifestyle were impeccable. However, I'm fully aware of what they say and how they think. The American Dream that Boomers and Gen X peddle to people doesn't exist anymore.
Absolutely right. Boomers and Gen X had it easy. Could get a good job right out of high school. Could marry younger. Father of the bride could pay 99%. Could have a little house 🏠 with just working full time as a cashier et. al. If you had student loan debt it was minimal and could be paid back in full a couple of years after graduation. The tragic student loan debt that millennials have accrued could’ve been avoided by 1) not coaxing every kid and family into college, and 2) Corporate America going greedy by requiring a 4 yr-degree just to shuffle paper or clean toilets.
I have been saying this to my Conservative friends since the end of the Pres. G.W. Bush era. It was like anything remotely Conservative became non-relevant in modern life because they wanted to stick to what life was like pre-2000s, and they still haven't updated much to catch up. Since there has been so much progress, it would be alot easier to update en masse if they so chose to.... finally. For all of Trump's imperfections, look at what he did as an elderly Presidential candidate with Twitter. Seriously. Get... with... the... times...
“Since there has been so much progress…” What?? Please explain the “progress” humanity has made in the past 20 years. I’m not talking about technology, but the human condition. What has progressed? I see nothing but a breakdown of society.
I think part of it is because of how much they involve religion and other social issues. I know so many people who would just vote Republican if it weren’t for 2 or 3 issues. They often come off as hypocritical. Quick to harp on the fact that we already have certain laws with gun control, but no urgency to prevent domestic abusers from having guns, stuff like that. Quick to tell you the government can’t control you, but still want to restrict people on many issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
"The acting out". Even though I hold some conservative beliefs, this is where they lose me in the voting booth. There are FAR too many, "holier than thou" "conservatives" who have FAILED to practice what they shove down our throats. Peterson nails it. Again.
Peterson’s most important insight here is that the conservative notion of goodness is wrongly being identified in our culture as restraint and denial. Goodness is adventurous. ❤
This essay went so beyond the question and cut to the core of my soul. 💔 Indeed, the "adventure" of goodness. It's a very hard adventure to tell the truth and be good. But it is an adventure. As a good man once said who was so kind to me as a graduate student, and who left such a lasting contribution of goodness inside me: Humanity is no longer imaginable without science. But no more is science possible without some religion to animate it. It is the complete failure of the social-democratic state to solve the problem of its defense which threatens to suppress all its other virtues and to transform it into something different -- a militarized garrison state -- or to overthrow it altogether. The final conclusion, therefore, is that organizations are here to stay, and though the only solution to many of the problems which they raise seems to be ever more and larger organizations, yet there is no substitute for the Word of God -- the sharp sword of truth in the prophetic individual, the penetrating moral insight that cuts through the shows and excuses of even the best organized society. Kenneth E. Boulding --- The Organizational Revolution, Chicago, 1953
Are you kidding me? Christians can’t shut up about how Democrats EAT BABIES. And groom kids. And somehow steal elections. And are Demonically Posessed. That’s about as evil as it gets, literally. And it justifies a false What-about-ism from them. Ends justify the means? Like hypocritically blocking Supreme Court picks and then rushing to confirm Comey Barret in the last week under the same circumstances? People can see hypocrisy and actions speak louder than words. And they don’t like it.
Because younger generation do not believe in the American dream. The rich got richer , the poor are pushed down further. If the video game is set to lose, why play ? Why anything ?
One of the main problems, as I see it, is that a majority of the major players in Washington ,both R and D have been in power for over 20 years , when they have been sitting on the proverbial throne for that long, by No fault of their own ,it becomes extremely difficult to relate to the average American , absolute power corrupts absolutely , they have become so callous and will do anything to remain in power, we need fresh minds and hearts to guide us into a better tomorrow , No One should be homeless or hungry in America, and once we get our house in order we can set our sights on helping the rest of the worlds hungry and homeless. If your a multimillionaire or billionaire and you walk past homeless people or hungry people and only donate to charity to get tax breaks then I don’t know how you live with yourself , if I had that kind of money I would spend every waking moment and every dime helping others.
...Because it's damn scary to grow the hail up, when the narrative of eternal childhood is such an attractive short-term strategy. We need to grow up and, as JP says, aspire take good, responsible action, as best we can, while knowing that it'll be hard...but worth it.
If you think you are a Conservative, and you think you're losing all the time, either you are not really a Conservative, or you don't understand what winning and losing really are.
Watching government workers tell me how they find meaning in their overpaid job that objectively makes everyone’s life harder made me completely immune to the meaning idea, humans find meaning in whatever they feel like it and it has nothing to do with the acts but with feelings about those acts
I profoundly agree with the idea of a conservative message centered on responsibility, accountability, living out the traditional values. Then..we get a picture of Donald Trump in the clip’s thumbnail. With apologies to those who are still fully behind him, the man very clearly is the counterexample of acting out those values.
Wrong . The “ man” you slander is the only way to save the USA . He is the only one fighting against ALL the media , ALL the deep state , ALL the war machine , ALL the corruption , WHILE standing up for every man , woman and child . EVEN the unborn . Stopped all endless wars under his term , forged a peace agreement in Middle East , and made USA energy independent and prosperous again . Make America Great Again . What is wrong with doing that ? Exactly ?
@@stuey2112 internet forums are such a place of non-dialogue and simply regurgitating whatever the left/right-media feeds people constantly. Case in point: in my comment I specifically addressed Jordan’s points in the video, on acting out and living certain moral and behavioral values. This juxtaposed over Donald Trump’s public actions and behavior. Simply shouting slogans such as “HE fights all the media”, “He fights the deep state” etc, items where multiple people may issue multiple opinions on the issue BUT which have absolutely nothing in connection with the argument discussed here is yet another example of how people on both sides of the spectrum behave, increasingly, like fanatical members in a religious cult, versus rational adults debating ideas.
"we shouldn't even be thinking about winning in some real sense, we should be thinking about how to make things better" that is such a good quote and it applies to almost everything in life
He is dropping pearls encased within layers of silver, gold, and platinum. I can't articulate just how valuable what he is saying actually is. His speech is so refined that everything he is saying is archetypically beyond wise. The wisest words often appear to be the simplest and most fundamental. That is because in order to dive deep one must first take care to navigate the shallow waters.
@dandagod official I wouldn't assume that I am conservative. I have not identified myself as such. We need to stop this dualistic war. Most folks who identify with either political party need to take a step back and ask themselves whether or not they are simply trying to be on a "winning" team. Just like JP said; the desire to win is NOT the right approach. That is why I typically don't post comments on the internet; I don't want to compete with some stranger in an argument, and that seems to be where these conversations inevitably lead.
It is not always easy to circumscribe the right things to do. You have to start somewhere. Parents give general restraints to their kids but a good parent also allows their child a certain level of freedom so as to learn on their own. Freedom is important. I do not want to tell you or anyone what to do or say. All I can do is speak for myself. This group identity stuff is a big part of the problem. It all inevitably leads back to Tribalism.
You see, conservatives always lose because everyone but a conservatives can see the hypocriticy of the modern neo- conservative. They wish to live in the modern world of 40- hour work weeks, electricity, computers, cell phones, television, middle class wages, and medical cures - all progressive developments, as in 'progress' - but then also tell everyone out of the other side of their mouths that they must live according to an old set of "traditions" that conservatives believe they get to call out.
@dandagod official That's a very easy question to answer. Conservatives want women to function as a brood mare for the state, gays to be executed, and everyone to be either a Christian or a second class citizen as they force a theocracy on the government.
It's a nice proposition, but without winning, you have no means to make things better. We've seen what kind of crimes the Federal Government will commit when it's filled with people who don't wish to "make things better". Regardless of what they say or how they act.
Eric July: "Conservatives, the truth is that you've been losing culturally. Politics is merely the downstream from culture."
THIS
I didnt know somebody sayed that before. But it is actually what I’am thinking nowdays.
Yep
@@alexkekesi8153 Eric July has been saying that for like the past 5 years
Conservatives are dishonest. Fundamentally, so free market they will tacitly accept corruption and evil. Nixon was a great example.
Please don't stop what you are doing, Dr. The world cannot afford to lose your voice at this moment.
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
If only he would make sense again.
@@Fighting_Fatigue_117 ur too naive to understand how profound his words are
@@Fighting_Fatigue_117 I don't understand? To what do you refer? I'd be very interested to hear your perspective.
What do you mean by to? What do you mean by understand? Yes, that's so profound.
"we have to become good as we are technologically powerful" thats a great and responsible message
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
But what is "good"? 10 different people can have 10 different definitions of "good" and all be correct. Good is subjective.
@@AbominationalFailure guess Hitler,Biden or epstien are good then?
@@AbominationalFailure was your question a 'Good' help? or another look into the area of "times change" at work without a second thought. "good" never used to be so hard to decipher.
@@brianthomson6512 good, like morality, is and always has been defined by society. It's also not black and white. For example, the old hypothetical "you take a time machine back in time and murder Hitler before the Holocaust, was what you did good?" Some people will say yes because you prevented millions of deaths. Some people will say no because you murdered someone.
A point that I have brought up several years back. Technology has been moving forward so fast that we ourselves haven't quite caught up to it.
Thanks, JBP!
Much like Ian Malcolm from Jurassic Park, I'm a proponent of just because we CAN do something doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD do it. Here's a great example you can try yourself. Next time you go for a run try to run so fast that you outpace your own legs. You could easily trip over yourself and deal self harm.
@@erickolb8581what do you mean by that we should back to medival Age technology
Jordan Peterson is fatherly in the way that Mr. Rogers was fatherly. And in a nation of fatherless children struggling so hard to find their way, this is precisely what we need.
You mean, it's precisely what we _yearn for._ Whether we need it or need to avoid it is a different question.
@@ColonelFredPuntridge No, I said what I meant.
@@skeletor4062 Then you are wrong.
Not at all lol. He's an arrogant psychopath
@@testcase6997 You are deluded lol
What an amazing human being, ppl don't put labels on yourselves, conservative or liberal, left or right, you can hear a person out and you know if he/she speaks the truth. You know it well. God bless Jordan Peterson.
Dr Peterson's first sentence is PERFECT: We NEED NEED NEED to learn how to TELL STORIES! Arguments and charts and "facts facts facts" can only go so far. We need to connect EMOTIONALLY.
That, is the PROBLEM with the WORLD!
TOO MANY people, TOO MANY OPINIONS and DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES!
There will NEVER BE CHANGE for them reasons!
POLITICS, RELIGION and EQUALITY can't be agreed on by more than 2-3 people before it turns into a FIGHT!?!
The ONLY HOPE for HUMANS is a MUSSEL!
Correct. That's one of the weapons Hitler used on the German people. The emote.
Telling stories is a good skill, but you will need to start telling _true_ stories, and save the fairy-tales for the nursery. ("Without government we owned our income, and then a bunch of crooks banded together and called themselves 'government', and now they rob us and get away with it by calling the robberies 'taxes'!" is _not_ a true story. "A man spoke with God, and was murdered and entombed, and was returned to life and will save you if you believe in Him" is also _not_ a true story.)
@@ColonelFredPuntridge hey, bro, say WHATEVER you want to about this dude, but LEAVE JESUS CHRIST OUT of it!
Regardless of what you BELIEVE, you WILL BOW to him in the END like EVERYBODY else!!!!
you don't have any facts. THAT'S why you keep losing.
I agree with Dr. Petersen 100%...the problem I see with these younger generations is that they been taught that everything that happens to them is somebody else's fault not theirs...so they don't get responsibility of their doings.
I totally agree, I see all my peers around me embracing wokeism and being indoctrinated, and I find it disgusting that adults around me are reinforcing that
I mean. Inflation, housing, education, life expectancy, political lobbying. Most of the problems that plague us aren't because of them. It's the boomer generation. Can you really blame the younger generations, things are corrupt and they know it.
And because of that, the current society will be destroyed when it encounters actual opposition...
Remember when JP blamed his drug addiction on his wife's cancer? Love that personal responsibility! Thank goodness he could afford treatment (which lots of people in the US can't).
Yeah, Just like it was everyone else fault that Trump lost the 2020 election and then tanked the 2022 mid terms. He even said so himself.
I really enjoyed your visit to San Diego on the Beyond Order tour. Thanks for coming out. It was quite profound.
I loved how you spoke about people who take advantage of you can still learn in time through feeling bad about it
unless you're dealing with a psychopath
No. Conservatives think in terms of a win. You lost.
Reconcile that with what he's said about how agreeable people are exploited by others who are less so.
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
If there are and you allow laws for homosexual marraige, pedophilia, hebephilia, prostitution, polygamy, polandry, genital mutilation then you have taken the true God out of houses of worship and out of people's homes. Then you are dying spirits and true love does not exist.
I believe that a lot of this comes down to a quote by G. K. Chesterton. “When the unthinkable becomes debatable it eventually becomes acceptable.” When we the regular normal family oriented people just sit back and be quiet this happens. I remember the old story The Emperor has no clothes.
Spot on, bro.👏👏👍👍
And also by Chesterton, and I paprphrase: " When man no longer believes in God, he does not believe in nothing, [rather] he is then capable of believing Anything."
@@OutnBacker thank you for your added information from Chesterton. This is I believe the beginning of the end times battle. Without God man is overcome by his sin nature. It is only through the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit that anyone can slay their sin.
@@keithhayward5068 Matthew Ch 24 does seem to be more and more relevant these days.
I was just thinking about this. The fact a studio quality video with millions of views can be broadcast saying "were coming for your children" and the reaction is not any less than for parents across the country to take the very lives of those involved, your country is beyond the point of return to anything salvageable.
Responsibility will never gather the support of those that wish to play victim. They hide from it.
its crazy tho bc the only way to spread the propaganda is through victimhood, and by highlighting their insidious tactics as inclusivity, equity, and freedom... literally anything will pass if you claim you're a victim. they hide destructive tendencies in constructive ways.
oh and don't forget to sprinkle some "shaming and cancelling" when someone catches them in the act.
Conservatives being the biggest political victims of the modern era…
Exactly
The problem with todays society is that shown responsibility is not rewarded accordingly with appropriate amounts of authority, especially for those who don’t have much to their name in the first place. No one likes doing their best for basically nothing except for “respect” of people you might not even want it from, you’ll be taken advantage of and the motivation to be good and responsible fades as you become jaded and cynical about what actually advances you in life just by seeing what advances others in life (which commonly aren’t good traits like selfishness, ruthlessness, impulsive lying, etc)
It’s a good thing to be a stoic, but in reality not everyone is cut out to be and live out a stoic life, and that’s just the truth of it. You have to allow avenues or incentives for those who aren’t willing to sacrifice their time for well wishes.
It's like animal training, you reward the behavior you want.
Hmmm I don't necessarily agree because that can be turned around if you look at it from a different perspective as well as being aware of your desires which can lead to self-improvement which is also part of personal responsibility which is what JP emphasizes a lot of in his speeches and videos. It's not that people aren't cut out to be stoic, it's also the fact that they just can't be bothered. The woke has definitely shown this through their unwarranted emotional detests. And besides who cares if not everyone is stoic, they shouldn't concern you and your stoicism. I'd say just put your head down and carry on what you're doing. And secondly, I would also say be selective in who you want to be responsible too...because you can't always please everyone. And if you're attracting the right type of crowd then most likely you will definitely be rewarded (in whatever way).
Generally, I just hate the competition we’ve made out of politics. We shouldn’t be trying to “defeat” the other side. It’s not like everyone on the other side are evil bastards that we have to destroy.
In which defeat isn’t even an achievable or desirable outcome. Fighting every meaningless battle motivated by hate isn’t a good framework of doing any good. The extremes of both sides taint the good in society. This opens the door to true evil, and the bottom of the moral hierarchy to step in
I used to think that as we grew technologically we didn’t grow emotionally to the same extent so we have become like kids in a sweet shop. Too many people have access to stuff that gratifies their ‘I want…’ impulses (which seems to have morphed nowadays into ‘I need…’) without the necessary emotional growth to get these things responsibly. For example, a woman of 60 who wants a child because she can now have one…without thinking about how this could impact on her child. Or people who have loads of plastic surgery when it’s not needed to avoid accepting themselves for who they are.
The destructive desires in each of us leads us to spend money to satisfy them and leads others to pander to our desires in their pursuit of money.
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
@@basvwbehej Leftest are mentally ill so their words are not credible. They are still as racist as always.😁
@@kerwinbrown4180 what do you mean?
Or the ability to experiment on coronaviruses without the recognition that we're not responsible enough to guarantee it won't get out and kill 7 million people...
It's hard to win when you refuse to fight no matter what is being taken from you.
Depends what you mean by fighting. If its doing like the left does, its evil.
You are just becoming the new evil
@@JonathanVachon777 Defensinve stand type fighting. Finish the fight they started.
What’s being taken from you…
@@conquistador2 freedom and money
It's hard to know when to fight when your leadership is controlled opposition.
Keep going man there are a lot of people that truely love you and what you are doing those people are far more numerous
I love how much I can identify in the way Jordan thinks, in when he becomes comfortable in the way he transmits his thoughts, when it just flows. Lovely feeling spreading knowledge that can be heard. Mostly we can only hope that it is received and reciprocated.
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
@@basvwbehej not sure what your point is
At 6:07 that is so brilliant, absolutely so. The later part of this broadcast is just about the best I have heard from Dr. Peterson. Thanks Doctor.
Peterson is absolutely correct. Here's how I'd put the problem:
1. Not presenting an assertive, confident, and more compelling vision for society, life, and the future. Always being too conciliatory and wisht-washy about one's convictions
2. Little regard for the importance and power of the arts, stories, language, and culture
2. Focusing on federal level politics at the expense of the local, thinking federal level politics or focusing on politics exclusively and in general is the only solution worth pursuing
3. Cowardice, the inability to speak truth to power, and the refusal to stand on principle when there might be a cost attached to doing so, remaining silent just to get along with no regard for the future being left to future generations ("I have a job/kids, I can't stick my head out.")
4. Infighting, backbiting, purity spiraling, refusing to work with people toward common goals because they don't agree on everything
All he says is true, but there are other things that tilt the balance. Activists subverting every institution, kicking out all but their own, failing to investigate their own for fraud, then fake conservatives taking bribes, falling for honeytraps or other coercion. It's not a level playing field. For years I heard of the koch brothers in the US as boogeymen, then found Tides Foundation and others spend many multiples what they ever did. The CCP and cartels influence quite a lot more than most realize. ie One has used non-citizens to join the LPC and vote in nomination processes to put forward their own assets. Hard for Canada to track if someone says "here's a bank vault in Bejing with your name on it if you do what we say."
The 4th point is a major problem. While the rest are equally valuable, the 4th point is exactly what is wrong with Americans 2 party system. If you're athiest, you're likely going to have to vote democrat to match your values. If you're raised in a well off family you'll likely end up republican, if you're a racial minority, republicans might scare you and even if democrats aren't much better you'll vote against the party who's voters scare you. America is a universally accepted false dichotomy.
Doing things for others is truly a way to appreciate responsibility and find meaning it give you a Joy beyond comprehension
Are you talking about the Right LOL.
because the world is going crazy, when a person is conservative, most of the time people will see him/her as someone who's afraid of change, couple years ago i wasn't conservative, but after i saw how bad our world and the people have become, i became conservative, if the changes that happen to this world are good, why would i deny them
Same story here
Which means... the Marxist Feminist (Chinese affiliated) teachers, have taken over children's minds.
The world will always need a balance of Conservatism and Progressivism
@@Johnnysmithy24 Thank you 12 year old philosopher
“If everything is so good, why don’t I like it?”
I've never thought of you as either conservative or liberal, I've just seen you as someone who is honest and willing to say things how they are, and you're honest about the reality of human nature. I guess the far left today has been taken over by a crowd that has other agendas and doesn't like honesty. But I know plenty of people who aren't conservative who are unhappy about all this too. While I am a conservative myself, I've always seen your commentary as involving things that really aren't political in nature, but some political animals out there have made them so I guess.
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
Nailed it. We need to stay away from identity politics.
The Left, by definition, does not hold honesty as a value. Their overriding value is to achieve their agenda. If the truth is in the way of achieving their agenda, they jettison the truth.
The far right and the far left are in many ways similar in that they only have their own self interest neither have any benefits to the betterment wider society.
As a "Progressive" i agree. I've personally never been afraid to debate to the best of my ability, despite my complete lack of skill of doing so. Typing words on the internet is arguably better because i can take time to respond and do so articulately. I always despised those on the Left who become too cowardly to stand up for anything. Who don't wanna debate or reason with anyone about whatever it is they side on. The low-key ( and sometime not low at all) _elitisms_ amongst some has always unnerved me too.
Although, to some minor extent, i also understand why that started to become a thing amongst some on the Left originally, largely in response to the growth of the radical Far-Right Theocrats, who've driven the conservative arguments on religion to the Farthest Right imaginably, over a much longer period of time.
Short of it: We need to collectively grow up, and quit lying, and mischaracterizing to one another.
Brit here. I can't speak for anyone else, but conservatism lost me when the Conservative Party of my country murdered 350,000+ of their own people with austerity politics, and they have not been voted out after more than 10 years in power. So, my question is, how am I supposed to take the accusation that "the left controls government" seriously when the right-wingers responsible for all that bloodshed are *still* ruling over my country, *still* inflicting pointless amounts of pain, death, and misery on innocent people, and our Labour Party has pretty much had all the leftism ripped right out of it?
If life has taught me anything, it's that the truth always emerges. When you lie, you're just delaying the inevitable. It'll eventually surface, and often at the most inopportune of times.
Truth means nothing if nobody cares.
Everyone knows the truth.
It’s done nothing.
Nobody cares.
This is Truth, modern media does EXACTLY the opposite.
There’s probably good opportunity in sharing stories of great people that took on great responsibilities.
"Modern" Media is corporate media.
Repeal, and not replace, these things: Parts of the telecommunications act of 1996, and Citizen United. Would have an immediate impact on the Media landscape.
As a person who overcame a painful stammer but still suffers some i find it amazing how great a public speaker you are, i`m not sure everyone catches it but its a real source of joy for me to see it wont hold me back as long as what i have to say is interesting.
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
Like Biden.
Yes, inspiring.
@@RealHooksy biden seems to lose words and thoughts rather than stutter from a technical POV but i get ure point. mine wasnt so much the content of what JP said in this merely an observation of a difficulty he`s had and the technique he uses to get himself going wen stuck. and for some yes that is inspiring the technique and the ability to speak to so many people in spite of it. not everyone thinks politically with every statement they make and actually if i was in the states id prob be a borderline leaning dem.
Government is not only authoritarian on their citizens , but even on their opposition in the political arena , and there are those who blindly follow off the cliff of responsability & reasoning .
‘We have to be as good as we are technologically powerful. And right now, we are more technologically powerful than we are good’. I pondered this very concept last night when I was addressing some troubles of mine: I’m the only person I know who doesn’t like the idea of relying solely on virtual communication among other things, yet everyone else in my circles of camaraderie is almost obtusely content with it. Worse still, they are content with leftist ideology, a fact I find very disturbing.
Keep educating us, Dr Jordan, you wonderful teacher of ultimate values and meaning.
I love you and your family that I have witnessed in various situations. The love and laughter and utter comfort shines so bright and true. What's not to love?!! Been watching you for some time, love your brilliance and this topic is no exception!! God Is using you. It is all over you and your family. Praise God!!
Warchild, refugee and legal immigrant here. kina virus released to fk up the elections...millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues...evil know no bounds, 100% intentionally released...just to get one man out of office, one man they could not buy/control. I have seen what communism will do to stay in or get in power. Anything! Chinese killed 30+ million of their own for power less than a century ago. It was a crazy conspiracy theory that FBI smoked Kennedy and now we know it is true. It was a conspiracy theory that kina virus was manmade but now we know it is true. MSM/Big Tech working overtime to censor/ban. This was intentionally released to fk up US election and for the Chinese to get protesters of Hong Kong streets because if Hong Kong goes so do commies in China. Win-win for commies and US dems....millions dead, billion+ with heart/organ issues. Godless people will always create hell.
@@ko7305 I agree with you and know the evils of this world. I hope you know Jesus as your Savior. He is the only way we have out of this Godless world! Peace and Blessings to you and your family 🙏
The more he speaks the more he sinks the mind of the conservatives into a pile of dog shit, so is great !
"Hungry for reciprocation" I spent many years doing this. The entire structure fell apart after a divorce and I had to start again. That didn't work either. I spent quite a bit of time doing the usual thing...sacrifice, contribute, enjoy. When I needed help moving, no one showed.
This isn't easy. When The culture has become narcissistic, reciprocation is weakness. I think more is needed.
I've helped many move and it was rare that I ever got any real meaningful help including from the persons I was helping.
I can see why people refuse. It's not that they dont care. We just don't want to wear ourselves out hauling someone else's garbage from one place to another.
@@illbeyourmonster1959 and this is why we fail. The Amish do it better. It's not about one day of work. It's about a lifetime relationship.
@@timothyblazer1749 And what exactly does helping people move have to do with the Amish lifestyle?
@@illbeyourmonster1959 it's a metaphor
the urgency to get better is a great message. i hope it’s not too late
What a good answer!
Tell the truth no matter what.
Truth sets us free.
Be a good guy that practically works out adventurously.
We need to be better fast, every now and then.
The very first minute he gets right to the point: Conservatives need to have a better story to tell, and they need to act out that story. Forget what political side you take. You’re most likely one of the 95% of people who want to do EXACTLY what he mentioned in his first moments: You have a desire to do the best you can for those around you. Don’t behave like you belong in the 5% of people who are so self-centered they’ve lost the ability to have empathy. You’re not them. Don’t be jealous of that type of life. Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice. No life shines when all you’re trying to do is fit in with people who live in darkness. It’s not political.
Wrong america as a whole is changing to be Europe. It will take the east to change the west.
Thanks Bob! I just wrote on a small piece of paper: "Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice."
Then I taped it where I can see it every day.
Greatly appreciated Brother!
JB
Nashville, TN
@@johnbarrett5229 incorrect it will never work.
@@Sherlock245 how nice of you to provide an example of the 5% he mentioned
@@MaydupNemwrong
I believe the answer ‘better’ is along the axis of honesty... transparency and collaboration!
I told the truth about a very minor accident I had in a semi truck that didn't cause any damage, the property owner wasn't upset and never made a claim and I didn't damage my company's property either. Didn't even scratch the paint.
I was forthright and reported it immediately.
My regional supervisor decided to take my entire $4300 quarterly bonus over that. I'd worked there 5 years at the time without an accident, ticket, complaint, injury or damage to anything. I had no negative record with my company at all and had never cost them anything, I only made them money hand over fist.
He stole my bonus because he could and there was no appeal.
It was the only time in my life I can honestly say I was a victim.
All for telling the truth.
I could've easily lied and said it wasn't me. There were no cameras and no witnesses and the minimal damage was cosmetic. In the oil fields, no one cares about that anyway. A supervisor didn't even have to drive all the way out there and fill out a report. I took all the pictures and wrote up what happened. All he had to do was type on his keyboard and click his mouse and I'm out $4300.
I learned a lesson that day and certainly don't think _honesty is the best policy_ is right anymore. Not for me.
I hope you found another job.
Often deception will be more lucrative financially. That doesn't mean it is the better route in life. If honesty doesn't cost you anything, then everyone would do it. Maybe grow up and realize you gained much more than you lost.
Yeah, corporations like to take advantage of honest, hard-working people any way they can. I can personally attest to this fact.
I was working at UPS as a seasonal driver this past year (50-60 hrs a week) supposedly making $21/hr. But when the paychecks came, they amounted to just a few dollars. Couple that with the fact that I had to drive in rush-hour traffic both in the morning AND the evening, AND wear a uniform, AND go through a shit ton of training to even get the job, and...well, you get the idea. Not only that, but I was still reeling from losing one of my dearest friends earlier in the year. I hadn't given myself enough time to grieve her passing, and when I finally rage quit UPS, the combined weight of everything I went through that year slammed me into a severe depression. I would have offed myself if I didn't have family and friends to turn to...
you still win in the end. you did good.
Even as an atheist, I find that the problem is morality and meaning were passed down as stories throughout human history because we didn't always have science or scalable written media.
Now people are taking these stories from religion and mythology literally, scoffing, and throwing it in the bin... but that is not the point. Religion and myth are literally the evolution of human morals and meaning over thousands of years...
Don't throw that away and expect no consequences! Those stories need to be told again and in a format that resonates with our modern age!
Talking about "responsibility" without fleshing out the concept makes it very easy to misunderstand or not to understand at all.
It would have been useful to oppose responsibility to guilt and blame so that the audience might have grasped the meaning of it.
However the part on "acting out" is so on point. Pointing out the discrepancy, and in a sense the hypocrisy between speech and behaviour, between the beliefs that are supposedly upheld verbally but not at all manifested actually, one of the most obvious one being: To believe in God or to believe in Jesus-Christ.
"They have to tell a better story." How? She already said the other side controls the method of telling information.
I really want a JP analysis of this movies: Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion, Apocalypto. They all have archetypal themes relevant today, specially for young people how are distant a more traditionally conservative message.
ghost in the shell is my favorite movie
@@jpetrullo6890 Is so relevant and kids will crave for a good analysis.
@@jpetrullo6890i hope the original is
Apocalypto is an example of Jordan's box. They believe sacrifice will bring the rain. I can understand. They've never heard of Meteorology.
@@redtobertshateshandles Haven't seen the movie, but I can connect the dots. Also, I suspect JP is into cults and/or it'd be easy to convince him into many creepy things. Religion is just a protection.
Dr Peterson way...way....above average thinker.
@@bryanutility9609 Like who? Who should he talk to that is more right wing and why would this prevent us from losing? Losing what?
I'm not a conservative but I heartily approve of JP telling each side they need to not only tell a better story but act out a better story.
How about the truth like he also mentioned
@@alg5534 liberals have as much truth to say as conservatives
For the liberals, truth doesn't matter that much. It's all about what one feels to be true, which shouldn't be judged or tested against reality or the truth it corresponds to.
@@AdrianskiASMR yeah just wait until they tell you how many genders there are lol
@@AdrianskiASMR wrong , they are off the grid with blacks, gays, and pandemics, i can explain quite easily
Some people lie to keep from hurting another's feelings. What they don't consider is what will happen when the person that has been lied to, finds out the truth. Not only will that truth still be "hard"/painful, but it will have the pain of being lied to, on top of the painful truth. "A hard truth is easier to deal with before the falsehood of a lie gets combined with it." -DOS
Absolute truth cannot be in any ways refuted
Im beyond grateful to this man. He brought me to understand christ as the truth. God and his son care to love humanity, only a being who loves the world would tell humanity the secret to eternal love openly: love in service of truth shall set you free through space and time, its cosmological. This guy is a being operating in preparation to ascend worlds.
@shawntucker9283
Based on what you said, you are a Vaishnava Hindu too. Do you know how much Lord Krishna talks about transforming the human and understanding the cosmos?
@@paulthomas281 I am very excited to be learning, this message must be spread and understood.
I think JP named what the conservative motto should be: "Be apprehensive of your own ignorance."
Unfortunately, the "conservative" message in the United States is being led by an anti-democratic, wannabe autocrat who believes he knows everything.
@@bryanutility9609 That doesn't even make sense.
Unfortunately, too many conservatives still seem to think that being feckless cowards and ignoring everything is the best way to win.
@@bryanutility9609 Why would he want to talk anyone out of the conservative right finally stepping up and taking our country back? Most of what he talks about are the core roots of the old-school conservative right, so what exactly does he ha tveo debate them over?
I'm a classical liberal and right now if the conservative right finally starts standing up the commi marxist woke garbage that has infected everything I will be happy to help them in every way I can.
@@bryanutility9609 And? are white people not supposed to have a voice in life or their own country now or something?
Free speech.... that is what we need
We can't "tell a better story" or what ever if we can't get our message out in the first place - can't solve problems we can't talk about.
Very very few people .. almost none ..were born or "called" to be politicians but so many of them have made it some kind of bucket list endeavor .
Part of that meaning and responsibility story is AUTHORITY, a crucial part you're not telling Jordan.
I would say responsibility, not authority. Very different.
Wow he's so right about this adventure topic. When I took back my faith, made peace with my father 20 yrs ago. The adventure is still going strong. I have taken on many responsibilities and now run a charity that earns $200,000 a yr. The Joy, Wisdom and Peace it brings is beyond my wildest expectations. But wait there's more. The brotherhood of like minded men sharing in the goal of charity fills the emptiness that the secular world leaves.
Cheating. What did I win?
How much are you taking in "administration fees" ??
@@redtobertshateshandles $0. Thanks for asking
Cool, do you feel good about yourself? Just had to drop that figure in there didn't you
@@bunjier4041 I feel good for the people the money helps. Single mothers, widows, the poor, hungry etc. It's not about feeling good about myself. It's about feeling good about being at peace with God and myself. I drop the figure there to help you set a goal for yourself. I do it to inspire a younger generation. You can't even use your own name and picture. How do you feel about that?
These are the real reasons that conservatives lose:
1. You're out of touch. The majority of republican voters are over the age of 50. That should tell you that your approach is not resonating with the younger generations. This should be cause for questions, but is usually dismissed instead as a fluke. This doesn't mean that you need to change your values to appeal to younger people, but change your approach. And be willing to admit and learn when you're wrong. I think that Lauren Southern is actually doing good work in that regard. She is willing to examine some of the conditions that push young people to the left. Hint: it's not just liberal owned media, institutions, schools, etc. Although that's part of it.
2. Your political opponents on the left benefit from decades of activism and advanced political organizing, stretching all the way back to the civil rights era. They draw upon this knowledge to train young activists how to be effective. Activist training is baked into leftist philosophy and culture. Not only that, but they truly believe in their cause. To many on the left, political organizing is a lifestyle and they are willing to dedicate whatever it takes to meet their goals, even if they are not getting paid for it. There is no right wing equivalent.
3. In contrast to the previous point, most of the prominent right wing influencers are more passionate about lining their own pockets than they are about any political cause. The evidence is in the fact that many large, right wing influencers do nothing more than peddle surface level outrage bait to their audience. I rarely ever see anyone actually elaborating below surfave level on anything they report. It always boils down to "let's point and laugh at the freaks" or "X group is destroying society." Nobody seems to be interested in the hows & whys. The Daily Wire is a perfect example. Anything they produce that is even slighly more informative or culturally relevant that could potentially make waves is stuck behind a paywall. For example: Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman." That documentary could have made an impact in many corners of the internet had it been available to a wider audience. But the Daily Wire prioritizes money over shifting culture. The left understands that those kinds of documentaries should be free, because they are a cultural investment. The only people willing to pay to watch these things are your own supporters, so you just end up preaching to the choir.
4. You're not paying enough attention to what the left is doing, nor are you doing enough to counter it. It's not sufficient to raise awareness about some of the activism that the left is doing and leave it at that. The left doesn't rest on their laurels. They are ALWAYS working, lobbying the govt, corporations & schools. They never stop doing workshops and trainings. Even when you expose what they're doing, they will continue to do it. Even when you create laws to prevent their teaching, they work around them. They are highly organized, intelligent, and they believe that they are saving the world. You have to understand that they will not give up, which means that keeping up with what they are doing is a full time job.
Excellent comment
"The Daily Wire is a perfect example." -- Yes and so is Tucker Carlson. His mockery turns off a lot of people.
Didn’t read one word of your “ book “ comment . I am sure it is thoughtful though and conveniently left out CHEATING ...
@@stuey2112 lol nobody asked, bud.
@@johnnastrom9400 I agree, but I see Tucker as being an extension of Fox News.
Win by being for something, not against something.
"Conservative" fundamentally means the unconscious process and behavior of introjection.
Introjection is the unconscious internalization of the patterns of behavior and projections of others.
Introjection is the opposite of conscious response-ability.
Conscious response-ability is not beholden to the stories, unconscious reasons,/patterns of behavior, and coercive domination hierarchies of conservatism.
Conscious response-ability is entirely task, process, and homeostasis oriented.
From the perspective of conscious response-ability, Jordan's way of speaking is recognized as verbal clutter intended to avoid cleaning up his traumas and incomplete developmental tasks.
Disagree with the last few moments of this clip. While most people feel some form of reciprocity, sociopaths see do gooders as weak and this justifies taking advantage of these 'stupid people' as sociopaths see them even more. Sociopaths are predators of others wealth, power and position. It is the human drive to survive individually at all costs with almost no recognition that others' lives have personal value to themselves.
There is no cure for this personality type in my opinion. I think it is an element of the mix of human genetics that has been with us for eons.
Yep. It's called the weakness of the flesh. . .or, sin in an "old Book. "
The cure has been given, in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I know: doesn't impress most people! Still, I declare it's TRUE, and in essence that's what JBP is speaking about.
Peterson is a useless liberal democrat, that hast lost people on the right and left.
Republicans and democrats trash peterson
“My enemy uses weapons to harm me, I don’t want be like my enemy; so I refuse to use weapons and refuse to fight back.”
Its not about winning or losing, its about solving the problem
You can't solve a problem if the people of America want to chop their hand off.
But it is! That's the problem!
@@adamgates1142 people want the problem they voted in Biden its the people fault.
@@Sherlock245 People who think Trump or Biden are good leaders are the problem
@@adamgates1142 and people like yourself become Muslim the more woke you get just look at Europe. You throw away Christian value you just let islam full access to your wives and daughters. Secularism falls apart cause islam more aggressive.
With great power comes great responsibility
Luke 12:48
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked".
The next time Robert Cialdini does another version of his classic "The Psychology of Persuasion" wherein he details the art of reciprocity, I want this speech to be included as an example. This is one of the best conversations about RECIPROCITY ever.
But what do we do when a large portion of people genuinely believe lies as truth? Telling the "truth" in this case seems to just cause division and contempt. It needs to also be about finding the real truth and being an impartial judge.
Because conservatives appeal to common sense, and that is sorely lacking these days.
BINGO!!!!!! IDIOCRACY EFFECT!! the fact that i had to sift through 30 comments by recent before hitting one correct one is chilling.
Calling everybody dumb for not agreeing with you is basically why in every country the opposition loses. I'm from a conservative country and the reason our opposition parties are losing is mostly because they're thinking highly of themselves. Which comes off as ignorant to the other side thus makes you unauthentic
I think Michael Knowles made a good point when he said conservatives keep getting soft and keep allowing more and more. So much so that you get called a conservative for even questioning the gender ideology.
Beautiful, I have to listen to the entire talk. Thank you once again Jordan and Tammi!
I'm an independent realist. Mid 30s. I feel like a lot of my morals and values coincide with the idea of conservatism. I agree with Jordan about telling a better story, and I see in the comments alot of people saying we need to connect emotionally more.
With who then? I worked very hard to address my own homelessness and to get far in life and everytime I meet someone who votes democrat, they're bitter, angry, and upset. I gave up on them and I focused on myself.
As a conservative I'm exhausted helping people. The every day democrat is going to have to fail and lose for us to fill the void. I'm tired of hearing more minimum wage, go vote, universal healthcare, I don't want to work hard, I can't find a date, I can't afford a home, or a car.
You know what? You didn't want to listen to my story. So I gave up on the people who are 20-40 years old who haven't grown up. I'm not going to tell a good story if they don't want to listen.
What are young moral conservative, true liberals, constitutionalists supposed to do?
@ChrisFrawley - My son always says that generosity has its limits.
You're supposed to "Live out a life that SHINES so much that people take notice." ~ Bob Andrews.
And Chris you're supposed to stand up straight even when you feel down. And you're supposed to work hard to NEVER let other people or events bring you down or make you bitter. You were born to be courageous or you wouldn't be commenting here. And remember the wisdom of Epictetus: "It's not things that disturb us, but our interpretation of their significance."
Move toward the good brother and KNOW in your heart and mind that you are good.
You are not alone.
Focus on the new generation 20-40 years old are lost
I’m a tribalist. I suggest you connect with other conservatives, constitutionalists, and true liberals. That is our tribe. We should not spend the majority of our time helping our enemy, but each other. Then we can help them if we want.
I second your frustration
Well, many TV shows, movies, video games, books, etc... have told the story of how responsibility has better consequences than being irresponsible. Most "heroic" shows that aren't infested with angst, or being "subverted" by bad writers fall into that category. There are a few problems with that, however, and a few reasons why that message doesn't resonate when told as a story.
1. Most good stories about responsibility don't try to sugar-coat the serious consequences of being responsible (such as Star Trek TNG; "First Duty," and "The Legend of Zelda; Ocarina of Time".) This makes the responsible characters very often seem less like enviable figures and more like pitiable ones.
2. Most characters who derive meaning from being responsible (Batman, for instance,) are routinely co-opted and written poorly, specifically to break them of this.
3. Most characters who are written as deriving meaning from responsibility (Batman, Superman, Master Splinter, Luke Skywalker, Samurai Jack, Lion-O, etc...) are male. It is just as important to encourage responsibility in women as it is in men, and quite a bit harder to do; especially through the medium of storytelling. This matters now especially, since LGBTQABCZXY*@ never would have gone anywhere, had it not been for the support of female activists. How are you expecting people to win anything, when a large portion of the population don't care about the stories you're telling? And no; I'm certainly not saying that we need to fill some kind of diversity quota or anything. I'm saying you need a plan to inspire women to take responsibility, or this thing can't go anywhere. If women aren't willing to do this, many men won't be willing either, and they'll tell you that you're operating under a double-standard for even suggesting it.
4. Most people recognize that there is a difference between fiction and reality. Therefore, the lessons of fiction shouldn't necessarily be taken too seriously. Some are very good, but others only apply in the context of the show or movie in question, and would be terrible lessons to apply to real life.
5. If instead of "story," what you mean is "framing device for real events," you're talking about the art of making things look like other things, and there is no book on how to do that, though some online content creators have been doing this pretty successfully for the last decade or so.
6. Finally, how do you coerce people into accepting that responsibility, beyond conveying that it can subjectively make some people feel as though their actions have meaning? Once again, sadly, you show the critical weakness of modern conservatism by referring only to your ages-old method; shame.
Shame will not work. The left has been shaming independent thinkers for years, for not doing things that made no rational sense, so the people who are not part of the cult, and whose minds are open to a better way forward, are already immunized against shame as a method. If that's the best you have, you're doomed.
There are people who are rational, independent thinkers. The best way to engage with them is through honest discourse and discussion of your differences of opinion, and the reasons for those differences. Those who are rational listen to good reasons, and many of them wield great influence in the world.
There are also people who are entirely self-centered, who are only concerned about their own lives and their own fates, and who recognize that the left's methods are not best for either one. The best way to engage with them is to convince them that responsibility will yield rewards, that will allow them to improve their lives, or that there is a larger, further-off prize that will benefit them even more in the long run. These methods used to be used by Christians to make converts, and now, neither one is used, except by independent, Christian speakers.
The only kind of person who you can't get through to with these methods are people who are emotionally-impulsive; who react instead of making choices. Because they don't take responsibility for the choices they make, many of these people are actual lunatics, and there's a reason why such people were once locked up in asylums until they were no longer a danger to themselves or others. As they're not independent thinkers, shame might actually work on them, but only if they're kept from escaping before the process is complete.
Finally, no message that you send out into the world is more convincing than a person's experiences. No matter how much you try to preach responsibility to a man who's been divorce-robbed by a fickle ex-wife, he won't listen to you, because he knows that the consequences of trying to be responsible for another person can be catastrophic and life-ruining if they turn on you with the full backing of the family court system. This is just one example of how this can happen. If it seemed as though conservatives were making a sincere effort to try to solve the real problems, which are responsible for these kinds of experiences, perhaps more people would listen, but placing the entire burden of fixing a broken system solely on the shoulders of each individual person is always a losing bet; especially when you're not fighting those battles with all of your might either.
On the flip side of that, when a person's decision to take responsibility leads to them gaining obvious, measurable benefits that they couldn't gain otherwise, it will teach them that responsibility is often a good thing. For instance, when the Ipod Classic went off the market, I went looking for an alternative from some other company. It was a hard hunt, and difficult to adjust to, at first, but in the long run, the benefits have outweighed the burdens. Conservatives should put more effort into encouraging this kind of behavior, because people will have an easier time adjusting to responsibility if they already have firsthand experience that the most convenient choice is very rarely the most rewarding.
Aside from social issues, the number one reason why conservatives lose (especially with young people) is due to the repetitive economic banter.
"Get married, buy a home, work for 30+ years, pay into Social Security!"
I am 29 years old and I am one of the last of my age group to be buying homes. People even a few years behind me can't afford it!
I was fortunate enough to buy a home in Spring of 2020, get married, and have a child.
However, for younger people this is almost impossible with how much the US Dollar has been devalued over the last 40 years. The repercussions of Covid were that the devaluation of our living standards sped up by almost a decade in a short period of time.
Many young people saw their parent's marriages destroyed in the 2000s, they look at a $400k home as utterly impossible, and they KNOW they will never receive Social Security. All the while the interest sitting on their student loans will be nearly impossible to pay off should those loans resume.
People can't even afford to pay their loans currently while we are sitting at dangerous inflationary levels. If one mishap were to take place in the stock market, the inflation would temporarily drop and then soar to 20%+ percent; it will make June inflation of 9.1% look like a cake walk.
People are terrified of the economic repercussions we are up against. So when young people hear "work harder, get married, pull yourself up"; it just doesn't click with tens of millions of people. It truly feels like fighting against a tsunami sized tidal wave.
I can't exactly empathize with their situation because the money I earned and the timing of my lifestyle were impeccable. However, I'm fully aware of what they say and how they think. The American Dream that Boomers and Gen X peddle to people doesn't exist anymore.
*AMEN* Literally the *ONLY* comment in this entire thread that gets to the core of the issue. 😉👏👌
Intresting interpretation, i did not think about it.
Absolutely right. Boomers and Gen X had it easy. Could get a good job right out of high school. Could marry younger. Father of the bride could pay 99%. Could have a little house 🏠 with just working full time as a cashier et. al. If you had student loan debt it was minimal and could be paid back in full a couple of years after graduation. The tragic student loan debt that millennials have accrued could’ve been avoided by 1) not coaxing every kid and family into college, and 2) Corporate America going greedy by requiring a 4 yr-degree just to shuffle paper or clean toilets.
@@CatholicTraditional I don't know why, but RUclips is censoring your comment.
@@LIQUIDSNAKEz28 Can see it on my end! (Many others’ comments tend to be blocked.)
the truth cares not about your feelings🙂
I always cry when I listen to Jordan Peterson.
Sometimes I do too. : )
@@johnbarrett5229 Me 3!
Maybe it's because he speaks like he's about to cry (not saying that in a negative way)
So does he
I have been saying this to my Conservative friends since the end of the Pres. G.W. Bush era. It was like anything remotely Conservative became non-relevant in modern life because they wanted to stick to what life was like pre-2000s, and they still haven't updated much to catch up. Since there has been so much progress, it would be alot easier to update en masse if they so chose to.... finally. For all of Trump's imperfections, look at what he did as an elderly Presidential candidate with Twitter. Seriously. Get... with... the... times...
Not sure what your point is.
Be a shining light on a hill, conservatives, not a bunch of hooligans trying to stick it to the libs.
@@itoibo4208 That's what Peterson was saying. Travis' comment made no sense.
“Since there has been so much progress…” What?? Please explain the “progress” humanity has made in the past 20 years. I’m not talking about technology, but the human condition. What has progressed? I see nothing but a breakdown of society.
@@johnnastrom9400Which part do you not get?
As a liberal, I agree with him - meaning through responsibility is powerful, certainly more so than some of the other stories told by conservatives.
I think part of it is because of how much they involve religion and other social issues. I know so many people who would just vote Republican if it weren’t for 2 or 3 issues. They often come off as hypocritical. Quick to harp on the fact that we already have certain laws with gun control, but no urgency to prevent domestic abusers from having guns, stuff like that. Quick to tell you the government can’t control you, but still want to restrict people on many issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc.
"The left controls all political institutions. How can we as conservatives win?"
"Clean your room"
*Standing applause*
"the left"
When china and syria dominate the world the people of the West will start to see their tantrum are for babies!!!
@@Sherlock245 syria???
@@Sherlock245
China is a joke.
@@luddicpath6756at least they are not woke like America.
The first part is why I decided not to study a doctorate but instead publish books celebrating traditional cultural values.
We don't have Hollywood in our pocket.
"The acting out". Even though I hold some conservative beliefs, this is where they lose me in the voting booth. There are FAR too many, "holier than thou" "conservatives" who have FAILED to practice what they shove down our throats. Peterson nails it. Again.
Peterson’s most important insight here is that the conservative notion of goodness is wrongly being identified in our culture as restraint and denial. Goodness is adventurous. ❤
How can they win?
Prevent cheating.
Next?
mUh LeFTISts woUlD NevEr chEaT!
This essay went so beyond the question and cut to the core of my soul. 💔
Indeed, the "adventure" of goodness. It's a very hard adventure to tell the truth and be good. But it is an adventure.
As a good man once said who was so kind to me as a graduate student, and who left such a lasting contribution of goodness inside me:
Humanity is no longer imaginable without science. But no more is science possible without some religion to animate it. It is the complete failure of the social-democratic state to solve the problem of its defense which threatens to suppress all its other virtues and to transform it into something different -- a militarized garrison state -- or to overthrow it altogether. The final conclusion, therefore, is that organizations are here to stay, and though the only solution to many of the problems which they raise seems to be ever more and larger organizations, yet there is no substitute for the Word of God -- the sharp sword of truth in the prophetic individual, the penetrating moral insight that cuts through the shows and excuses of even the best organized society.
Kenneth E. Boulding --- The Organizational Revolution, Chicago, 1953
We think they are wrong. They think we are EVIL. Plus they don't play by rules, end justifies the means is a thing for them!
Are you kidding me? Christians can’t shut up about how Democrats EAT BABIES. And groom kids. And somehow steal elections. And are Demonically Posessed. That’s about as evil as it gets, literally. And it justifies a false What-about-ism from them. Ends justify the means? Like hypocritically blocking Supreme Court picks and then rushing to confirm Comey Barret in the last week under the same circumstances? People can see hypocrisy and actions speak louder than words. And they don’t like it.
Everyone thinks this about their opponents, and it’s self delusion and pre-justification to fight dirty. It’s ethically bankrupt.
I think conservatives believe that. Remember NIXON?? "I'm not a crook". Lol. Clean up your own bedroom first.
This is bullshit, Conservatives very certainly think the Left is evil, satanic, groomers, baby eaters and Idk how many other things
Because younger generation do not believe in the American dream. The rich got richer , the poor are pushed down further.
If the video game is set to lose, why play ? Why anything ?
Being "good" is setting a standard which is both difficult and an adventure
Lmao the thumbnail caught me off guard
EXACTLY! Make things BETTER (not, how can we win). Spot on brother!
That attitude is why you lose.
Jordan Peterson should keep his beard more often
We agree. His message is correct and deeply valuable.
One of the main problems, as I see it, is that a majority of the major players in Washington ,both R and D have been in power for over 20 years , when they have been sitting on the proverbial throne for that long, by No fault of their own ,it becomes extremely difficult to relate to the average American , absolute power corrupts absolutely , they have become so callous and will do anything to remain in power, we need fresh minds and hearts to guide us into a better tomorrow , No One should be homeless or hungry in America, and once we get our house in order we can set our sights on helping the rest of the worlds hungry and homeless. If your a multimillionaire or billionaire and you walk past homeless people or hungry people and only donate to charity to get tax breaks then I don’t know how you live with yourself , if I had that kind of money I would spend every waking moment and every dime helping others.
...Because it's damn scary to grow the hail up, when the narrative of eternal childhood is such an attractive short-term strategy.
We need to grow up and, as JP says, aspire take good, responsible action, as best we can, while knowing that it'll be hard...but worth it.
JBP~on loan from God! Soooo Thankful!
#BlessedBeThee🦋
I wish our President spoke like this. Effectively, coherent, and precise.
When you tell the truth people can either get saved or persecute you, but if you handle persecution well then it helps society either way.
He is one of the greatest men of our time . Thank you Lord
They dont lose, they get robbed, that is more precise.
What have conservatives conserved?
So far just the constitution
If you think you are a Conservative, and you think you're losing all the time, either you are not really a Conservative, or you don't understand what winning and losing really are.
Policies. That’s it. Advocate for better political policies that help regular people- and do them once in power.
Because of low information voters, welfare voters and mail in votes.
You forgot Vote harvesting...
conservative voters are just so high information 😂
🤣 but everyone IS lying about everything all the time. Watch the reaction when you say to someone ‘taxation is theft’ 😂😂😂
When we play, intimacy is a better goal than winning.
(Just because I enjoy doing something, doesn’t mean I’m any good at it.)
This speech resonates perfectly to me, now I'm wondering if conservative leaders have shown any tangible sign of responsibility in the past few years
Watching government workers tell me how they find meaning in their overpaid job that objectively makes everyone’s life harder made me completely immune to the meaning idea, humans find meaning in whatever they feel like it and it has nothing to do with the acts but with feelings about those acts
I profoundly agree with the idea of a conservative message centered on responsibility, accountability, living out the traditional values. Then..we get a picture of Donald Trump in the clip’s thumbnail. With apologies to those who are still fully behind him, the man very clearly is the counterexample of acting out those values.
Wrong . The “ man” you slander is the only way to save the USA . He is the only one fighting against ALL the media , ALL the deep state , ALL the war machine , ALL the corruption , WHILE standing up for every man , woman and child . EVEN the unborn . Stopped all endless wars under his term , forged a peace agreement in Middle East , and made USA energy independent and prosperous again .
Make America Great Again . What is wrong with doing that ? Exactly ?
@@stuey2112 internet forums are such a place of non-dialogue and simply regurgitating whatever the left/right-media feeds people constantly. Case in point: in my comment I specifically addressed Jordan’s points in the video, on acting out and living certain moral and behavioral values. This juxtaposed over Donald Trump’s public actions and behavior. Simply shouting slogans such as “HE fights all the media”, “He fights the deep state” etc, items where multiple people may issue multiple opinions on the issue BUT which have absolutely nothing in connection with the argument discussed here is yet another example of how people on both sides of the spectrum behave, increasingly, like fanatical members in a religious cult, versus rational adults debating ideas.