I find haste past cap isn’t entirely worthless. Although you’re gcd locked, haste past cap allows you to stutter step in between mf casts without dps loss. So while it’s not a direct increase stat wise, it is an increase still
Hey! For bosses: if you do opener with Vampiric touch -> Mind Blast -> Devouring plague -> 3 tick Mindflay -> pot + racial + glove + trinket + (focused mind for +25% crit) with Shadow Word: pain (shadowfiend before a hero)-> Mindblast you get better opener as i tried a you get 2 Mind Blast in the starting 10s. i'm only on 90-98% parser, but this worked better :)
@@dimitristakis6396 sw:d we only use if there are for example 2s left on a dot. It's faster than a Mf2 so in a fight this adds up to a couple more god's per fight..
@MRK but there are zero points in inner focus according to his talent tree! But 2 points in improved vampiric embrace, instead of 2 points into veiled shadows?!
I tired the opener your way and got about 30 less DPS. this was solo target on dummy so I can imagine a full 25 man raid with different buffs offering different outcomes.
For aoe packs, if we're still running, I will DP some of the mobs, but as soon as the tanks stops, it's time to sear. You don't need to worry about shadow weaving on trash. On bosses, you want SW:P to have as high dmg as possible, since it pretty much cast once and forget it, so long as there's no down time where you can't mindflay to refresh it. The only time I recase SW:P is after a heroism, to get that haste snapshot. By then, you'll probably also have a trinket, or lightweave proc (if you're a tailor), so you're SW:P will just passively do nice dmg. If there's downtime, and you have to recast SW:P, do so after you get 5 stacks of shadow weaving again.
Not sure I know what you mean. The rotation given and the talent tree shown are proven for Fresh 80 priests and have been for the last 15 years. My best achievement on SPriest is ICC 25 King slayer.
Haste of 41.51% or 1359 is about the most you are going to squeeze out of the Sanctified gear. The trinket 'Charred Twilight Scale' is something to look at. Remember that if you are on Retail they are not on the ICC phase yet and you will not be close to getting maxed out stats.
@@kirbstomp8041 u forgot to mention that mindflay refresh it and u keep it the whole fight. the first dots u cast with lower Shadow weaving stack will be refreshed with 5 stacks on the the secount time u cast them.
@@andrenordengen5163 mf doesn't update the %dmg modifier from shadow weaving. It only updates ticks dmg from current spellpower on your character. So that's why you cast it after getting the stacks (depending on fight length, but generally you always cast swp at 5 stacks)
@@andrenordengen5163 the spell Crit and spell DMG you get from buffs/potion will not refresh with mindflay, it stays the whole fight the same. Only haste doesn't apply to SW:P. That's why it's important u open the fight with Trinket + Wild Magic potion+5 stacks of shadowweaving. So opener will be: Prepot Wildmagic+trinket into VT->DP->MB->mf2->SW:P->inner focus+MF. And somewhere btwn these gcd's u need to cast ur pet so it gets bloodlust.
@@noisi_tc3068 i know all this, i just sayd, mind flay refresh the swp, i did not say it mindflay refresh crit and spellpower modifiers. and i allso pointed out u dont need to use shadow word _death_ before shadow word pain.
Once you have 4/5 of the T10 gear you SHOULD spec the shadow fiend talent CD. the talent tree shown is your starting point for Fresh 80 and assumes your gear is very basic. If you are doing ICC 10 - 25 you will want the shadowfiend more often, it's not so important when you are farming your RDFs
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Very helpful, seeing the rotation makes me feel like I've been doing most of the dungeon groups a disservice with my lack of damage
I did it wrong for a long time XD
@@kirbstomp8041 I always figured to save SW: D till the enemy is in range for the kill but I boy have I been wrong
your name is the essence of a meme god its decided we are sending you a truck full of potatoes should you find yourself surrounded by potato famine
The totation i go with is WT-DP-MB-2 tic of mindflay to get 5 Sw stacks then SwP dont see anny use of SpD in rotation
Great reference thanks!
I find haste past cap isn’t entirely worthless. Although you’re gcd locked, haste past cap allows you to stutter step in between mf casts without dps loss. So while it’s not a direct increase stat wise, it is an increase still
thanks for the input !
Very good guide! I agree with most of this, although I’d refrain from using SWD in PvE openers 👌🏼
i never used it until I saw some guides saying to use it. I guess it depends on your stats to an extent.
@@kirbstomp8041 it depends on if you are moving :)
Hey! For bosses: if you do opener with Vampiric touch -> Mind Blast -> Devouring plague -> 3 tick Mindflay -> pot + racial + glove + trinket + (focused mind for +25% crit) with Shadow Word: pain (shadowfiend before a hero)-> Mindblast you get better opener as i tried a you get 2 Mind Blast in the starting 10s. i'm only on 90-98% parser, but this worked better :)
And where do you fit sw:d?
@@dimitristakis6396 sw:d we only use if there are for example 2s left on a dot. It's faster than a Mf2 so in a fight this adds up to a couple more god's per fight..
@MRK but there are zero points in inner focus according to his talent tree! But 2 points in improved vampiric embrace, instead of 2 points into veiled shadows?!
@MRK which horse shit spell do you mean?
I tired the opener your way and got about 30 less DPS. this was solo target on dummy so I can imagine a full 25 man raid with different buffs offering different outcomes.
Why would you flay+death before pain? By that time the mobs are dead and the Pain was useless..
the rotations are for bosses not multi mobs. use AOE on mobs...
For aoe packs, if we're still running, I will DP some of the mobs, but as soon as the tanks stops, it's time to sear. You don't need to worry about shadow weaving on trash. On bosses, you want SW:P to have as high dmg as possible, since it pretty much cast once and forget it, so long as there's no down time where you can't mindflay to refresh it. The only time I recase SW:P is after a heroism, to get that haste snapshot. By then, you'll probably also have a trinket, or lightweave proc (if you're a tailor), so you're SW:P will just passively do nice dmg. If there's downtime, and you have to recast SW:P, do so after you get 5 stacks of shadow weaving again.
@@Banana_Cognac YEP :)
@@Banana_Cognac 2 Months late, I know, but SW:P does not scale with Haste at all. So there is no snapshotting it with heroism.
How do we know you are good if you have no logs to show for it?
Not sure I know what you mean. The rotation given and the talent tree shown are proven for Fresh 80 priests and have been for the last 15 years. My best achievement on SPriest is ICC 25 King slayer.
How do I get 1400 haste. I feel I have a lot of the bus gear but I’m not even close to 1400. Thanks for the video.cheers
Haste of 41.51% or 1359 is about the most you are going to squeeze out of the Sanctified gear. The trinket 'Charred Twilight Scale' is something to look at. Remember that if you are on Retail they are not on the ICC phase yet and you will not be close to getting maxed out stats.
nice guide ! one question why is Shadow word pain last in the rotation ? :)
because you want to have 5 out of the 5 Shadow weaving buff on yourself. It maxes out the damage SWP can do. Thanks for asking!
@@kirbstomp8041 u forgot to mention that mindflay refresh it and u keep it the whole fight. the first dots u cast with lower Shadow weaving stack will be refreshed with 5 stacks on the the secount time u cast them.
@@andrenordengen5163 mf doesn't update the %dmg modifier from shadow weaving. It only updates ticks dmg from current spellpower on your character. So that's why you cast it after getting the stacks (depending on fight length, but generally you always cast swp at 5 stacks)
@@andrenordengen5163 the spell Crit and spell DMG you get from buffs/potion will not refresh with mindflay, it stays the whole fight the same.
Only haste doesn't apply to SW:P.
That's why it's important u open the fight with Trinket + Wild Magic potion+5 stacks of shadowweaving.
So opener will be:
Prepot Wildmagic+trinket into VT->DP->MB->mf2->SW:P->inner focus+MF.
And somewhere btwn these gcd's u need to cast ur pet so it gets bloodlust.
@@noisi_tc3068 i know all this, i just sayd, mind flay refresh the swp, i did not say it mindflay refresh crit and spellpower modifiers. and i allso pointed out u dont need to use shadow word _death_ before shadow word pain.
what about hit rating cap for 5 man dungeons?
Hit cap shouldn't be any different.
@@kirbstomp8041 only heroic t10 looks decent so sad
I mean looks wise
I would take inner focus over improved VE.
for ICC and RS yes. For RDF farming you can end up with less than desirable healing in group tho.
Kinda think you're wild for not taking shadow fiend cdr in talents tree
Once you have 4/5 of the T10 gear you SHOULD spec the shadow fiend talent CD. the talent tree shown is your starting point for Fresh 80 and assumes your gear is very basic. If you are doing ICC 10 - 25 you will want the shadowfiend more often, it's not so important when you are farming your RDFs
4:28 imagine make a guide "how to play blablabla" and killing your party member mind controlled.
i was sooooo zoned out XD
Is it 3.3.5?
3.3.5a
guide seems solid enough, but to add some creditability try not to show footage of you clicking spells and killing the MC'ed teammates. lol
XD yeah I was zoned out and just recording literally anything to have in the background.