174. No Pressure! Setting Accumulator Pressures on my Narrowboat
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- I check and adjust the pressures of the accumulators fitted to my hot and cold water supplies. An accumulator helps smooth out the flow of water and reduces wear on the pump.
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I had no idea that getting water out of the tap on a boat was so complicated. Thanks for the excellent explanation.
Hi Tim, it's not essential to have accumulators fitted but it does stop the pump from running every time you draw a small amount of water and should prevent wear on the pump. All the best, Alan
You have amazing eye contact when you're on camera, like you're talking right to me. Well done!
That's really good of you to say, it's often difficult to get it right, depends on how close the camera is, the angles and so forth, sometimes I can tell it's not right and do it again and other times I don't realise until it's too late, so it's good to know I get it right sometimes. Cheers
@@MyNarrowboatVenture I do really appreciate your skill and enthusiasm behind the camera. Your always uptone, smiling and engaging no matter what the topic is, even if it is just a walk. Stay well and enjoy your ventures.
@@robenblakey8236 Thank you so much Roben.
"Let's hope all goes well".......my words exactly every time I embark on a DIY home project. DIY can be such an adventure! Thank you for another great video
That's very kind of you to say Brett, thank you.
Hi Alan great to watch your vlogs. However, you do not have two accumulators, you will have one, which comes off your water pump and the other is known as an expansion tank which is by the califorier, albet they are the same tanks but they are set to two different pressures doing different jobs. You can call Jabsco who will give you these pressures dependent on your pump size, the accumulator is set 3lb below the pump cut in and the expansion tank is set to the shut off pressure of the pump.
That's very interesting Mick, as no-one has put it like that before. One tank is on the cold water feed, so comes off the pump as you say, and the other from the hot draw off (as far as I can see). I do already have the pressures you talk of, so will look further into that. Many thanks for the advice.
Good man you are I love watching you in your everyday life. Good health and happiness to you. Xx
That’s very kind of you to say, all the best Alan. Take care
Thanks a very informational vlog.
Thanks Vivian, glad you enjoyed it.
What would I do without you Alan.
Haven't checked my accumulator tank for a while.
It definitely needed doing.
Expertly explained
Thanks Alan
Gail
Thanks Gail, I'm glad you found it of interest but it's really Peter you should be thanking, as he advised me what to do.
Hi Alan... Well I realise now how little I really understand about the boat systems. You've taken a subject that was complete "Greek" to me and explained it really clearly and simply.. Very well done! 🍷🍷
Thanks Steve, that's very kind of you to say, it was the first time I've done it, so I'm learning all the time. All the best.
Alan, I thoroughly enjoy watching your vlogs. I always come away having learned something new. With your vlogs it’s typically a “who knew?” Thank you and stay safe!
Many thanks for your lovely comment Mike, take care, all the best Alan
I have been asked about the tyre inflater I used in the video. I bought it in Aldi and it is their brand Ferrex. I have posted some details/photos on my Facebook site, My Narrowboat Venture.
Really interesting..... something that we need to buy for our new boat which in turn will help the wear and tear of the pump!! Thanks for sharing!! X
Hi Lynette, I'm pleased you found it of interest x
Nice one Alan very interesting thanks glad you’re safe and well 👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it Robert, thanks for commenting. Take care.
Hello Alan.Appreciate your prompt response. Thank you.
My pleasure! Cheers
Greetings Alan
Hope your good
A brilliant informative vlog.
Your attention to detail is excellent.
Your re search leads you forward into correct solutions for decision making.
A very enjoyable vlog.
Keep safe dry warm and virus free.
Many thanks for your appreciation David, it's a task I'll look at more often going forward. All the very best, take care.
Hi Alan those Pressure Vessels lose the pressure because the Diaphragm is air permeable we used to pump them up with an ordinary foot pump not the luxury of an electric one, and check the valve is not leaking with some spit , if it leaks release some pressure to clear it and start again. Cheers
Thanks Ramsey, I have got some spare valves now and the special tool needed, if I need to change it. All the best.
In one ear and out the other ...it’s all Greek to me.... I’m sure that there are many who will find it useful. It was interesting to watch even though I was clueless 🤣 💜😷
Thanks for watching anyway x
Interesting video. Stay safe Alan and be lucky.
Thanks, you too Tony!
Thanks Alan, an interesting insight into boat life, take care.
Glad you enjoyed it, all the best.
You forget about those things you have to do to keep your boat healthy and running well but as I'm interested in all things boat-related I enjoyed that very much. Thanks, Alan.
I'm using a loaner mobility scooter from the company at the moment because mine developed a small fault on the tiller adjuster but it's taking forever to get the part, hey ho that's life. All the best and bye for now. Stephen. 👍
Hi Stephen, at least you're able to stay mobile, which is important, let's hope you soon get your scooter back though. Thanks for your interest in this topic, it's something new to me as well. Take care, all the best Alan
At the Take off end of the tank the round metal cover goes rusty internally between the rubber diaphragm and the tank causing a slow loss of air pressure. Take it apart, clean the joints of rust, use anti rust treatment then paint again when dry. Also the diaphragm can get dirty with rust and sediment.
Thanks for the advice, I'm not sure that's something I would want to do myself. The tank is only a couple of years old and it looks rather tricky to me. Cheers
Nice one Alan informative as ever.Keep safe.
Many thanks Michael, have a great weekend.
Try just adding a "metal" cap for the Shredder Valves. Just look inside for a proper gasket. The old internal valve will then ONLY be used when the "cap" is off. The rest of the time the cap holds the pressure. As for the pressure in the bladder, you can test from a high to a low value by lowering the pressure till the pump does not run when air is "let out" of the valve for each lowering of the pressure. With this test, you can see the bladder filling. Set the level for the "Largest fill" pressure level. Or just a bit more to allow for a small leak over time. When you set the pressure very low, the pump may not run at all for small water draws from the pipes.
Hi Edward, thanks for your comment. There is already a tight fitting cap over the valve, you would have seen me unscrewing it. The pressure has to be set at 3psi below the cut-in and the pump does not run when small amounts of water are drawn. I think my accumulator probably has a diaphragm in it and not a bladder, I'm not 100% sure. Cheers
Interesting vlog Alan. Stay well and safe
Many thanks Hugh, hope all well with you. Cheers
Interesting. I love learning about new things!
Thanks for your comment Barbara.
I thought you said you weren’t doing a mid week vlog this week 😂 I’m glad you changed your mind. Very enjoyable and informative as usual. I hope one day to put all you’ve shown us into action myself 👍 thanks Alan, take care
That was last week Paul, when I published the walk. Glad you enjoyed watching and found it useful. All the best Alan
nice vlog
Thank you.
Hi Allen, Love watching. I hope I am going to be helpful with the following. You can only check the air pressure when the water is drained from the taps because as the pump increases pressure the air pressure in the vessel also increases. 0.5 to 0.8 is ok. There is one other point the accumulator should be white indicating fresh water (normally a stainless steel.) If painted red, it is usually indicates for heating system as it is just ordinary metal and will rust if fresh water runs through the system. Schrader valve is an ordinary bicycle tyre valve but you need the tool to remove it. The valve is about one pound, not sure the cost of the tool. Please keep up the youTube. Regards John
I appreciate what you say John and now have a valve changing kit. My accumulator is made by Zilmet in their Hy-Pro series but they only have information on white 'tanks' dated 08/2012. These are made of carbon steel. Mine is dated 09-2013 and I can find no info on it. I wasn't aware of the distinction of colours and materials. I have looked at a chandler's site and their whie tank is made of mild steel. Confusing isn't it! Cheers
Most Narrowboats have red accumulators on
Well, when I saw the thumbnail and the title I thought you had collected too much stuff on the boat and were spring cleaning your cupboards etc. lol
If you have to have to check your schrader valves for a leak, just put a little watered down liquid dish soap in the valve end and watch for bubbles. Also good for checking for leaks around your gas connections - you will need a spray bottle of liquid soap and water for that one. (In the old days, checking bicycle tire valves, we would just use a little saliva to check for a bad valve). Very interesting. Makes me think I should put an accumulator in my camper/caravan.
Thanks for your comment Cary, I do appreciate what you’re suggesting. You can get quite small accumulators probably ideal for a camper. Cheers
Interesting video Alan also the pump your using looks good to use.
Many thanks Bob it’s certainly very handy and easy to use.
Interesting vlog. Getting hot water to the tap on a boat is not something I actually thought about. It certainly isn’t just a “turn on the faucet and take a hot shower” sort of thing as there are definitely steps one must take to assure the hot water heater is working and there is enough pressure to actually get the water through the water lines. Take care and looking forward to the next vlog.
Thanks Mary Jane, I'm glad you found it of interest. I'm still learning about aspects of boat life, all the best, take care.
Hi Alan,I hope the day finds you well and warm.
I have accumulators both at the house and the cottage as both are on wells like many homes in Canada although we call them pressure tanks. Our pumps are connected via a pressure switch with a differential pressure setting. This only starts the pumps after a certain amount of drawdown in the case of the house is about a gallon and the cottage a toilet flush(Smaller tank_) this amount is determined by the size of the pressure tank/accumulator In general this is a completely trouble free system I check the pressure usually in the spring .The house has a Jet pump which I changed about 20 years ago because the motor had burnt out and it was easier to replace both motor and pump as they come in an integral unit, I have no idea how deep the well is but most are between 70 and 100 feet. The cottage is 9ofeet deep and has a submersible pump which require no priming there the water system is drained each fall and priming a jet pump is very temperamental some springs with the Jet pump it would prime with less than a gallon other times it seemed like the lake was liable to run dry *LOL*
Hi Ralph, after a lovely weekend with blue skies the weather is rather dull now, but not overly cold. You're well versed with pressure tanks and pumps from the experience you've had. Thanks for the explanation. All the best Alan
Hi Allan, saw your vlog on the pressure vessels, to check a valve just put a bit of spit on your finger and smear across the valve. If it's leaking a small bubble will form. Valves are easy to change , you'll need a schreider valve removal tool. Hope this helps.
Thanks Tony, I appreciate that, I now have a kit with all that is needed. Cheers
Exulent work Alan, it's always good to try something new and succeed. I'm only guessing but I think those valves are just car valves. I bet your looking forward to putting that snow coat in deep storage. Have a good day.🏴☠️
Hi Martin, it seemed to work out ok, I'll need to keep an eye on that valve. Actually, the snow coat does normally get stored away for the summer, but last year I kept it in the van, as I couldn't get to my store. Cheers
Look around to find or locate a valve cover cap that has two little prongs on it , this will allow you to tighten the core just like you tighten the core on a car tire.
The thing you are seeking is like a 3mm round screw driver with a cross cut grove like a flat bladed screw. This fits around the core to tighten,.A replacement core will be about 5 pence and where you get them at the tire shop will have the tool as well. Get the tool and put it in your tool box for future valve core repair on any related valve.
Cores are usually the same except for the length on any tire from bicycle to truck. lol Unless you own a HUMMER , then you and your tires are screwed.
lolol good luck and CHEERS
Thanks for your comprehensive comment, I have actually already purchased a kit with the necessary tool, valves and 'L' shaped extension lead. Many thanks for mentioning it though, I hadn't needed it previously, as this was the first time I've tackled this task. Cheers.
Just put an auto tire valve cap on the accumulator valve. That will seal the unit Or, simply replace the valve screw core. That should also take care of a leaking valve.
Hi Roy, there is a tight fitting cap on the valve, it is built into the top cover. I now have the replacement kit, so am ready if it's needed.
Thanks Alan very informative. Can you show the pump you used a bit more to charge the accumulator or explain what it is as there was only a glimpse in your Vlog. Thanks for being so thorough it helps a lot.
Hi Nobby. I have posted some details/photos about the tyre inflater I used on my Facebook site, My Narrowboat Venture, so please look there. I bought it in Aldi and it is their brand Ferrex. Thanks for watching.
Hi Alan. Another job carried out like an expert. Really detailed simple instructions given. I noticed the lack of the obligatory cheese topped roll though. I do hope your local bakery is still open...!!
Have you ever considered getting a Bread Making Machine. Just a thought. Take care and keep safe.
Many thanks Ian for your kind comment. I don't want you to think I'm always eating! I wouldn't know what to do with a bread making machine, so much easier to let someone else have the hassle. Cheers, take care.
Thanks Alan that was very interesting and I must look for the electric air pump in Aldi as it looked like a good quality one, I have a motorbike and nowadays the pumps at petrol stations are a problem for bikes as you can't fit them between the brake disc and the wheel rim. Take care and all the best. Stevie
Thanks Steve, I expect like most equipment in Aldi/Lidl, it will appear from time to time. I found with the van, I couldn't see the indicator on the air pump in petrol filling stations and I had a couple of instances where I was taking the air out. I much preferred when the gauge was on the air line and you took it round with you to each wheel. Keep safe.
Oh grief. I feel another job coming on.
I need a rest from doing jobs!
That red pressure cylinder is similar to the one in my oil fired boiler at home and that runs at around 1 bar pressure.
They're quite popular now on central heating systems. Cheers
Hi just watched your video however we cannot get any water coming from the taps just air we've tried sucking it through but nothing just gurgling ! how do we find out if it's the accumulator or the water pump that's failing? any ideas gratefully received the pump is running but only an occasional dribble usually when I place my hand over the end of the tap to try and build up pressure 😮
Hi thanks for watching my video but I’m not the best person to advise you. I would suggest you ask on the Narrowboat Owners Group on Facebook. Amongst the oft unhelpful replies, I would expect there to be some sound advice, which will assist you. Hope you soon get it sorted.
Please advise make and model of your inflator. Many thanks...Robert
I’ll come back to you on that Robert, as I’m out for a walk presently. I’m fairly certain I bought it from Aldi.
Hi again. The tyre inflater is Aldi's brand Ferrex, I have posted some photos on my Facebook page, My Narrowboat Venture. I've not used it much, but I'm very pleased with it. Cheers
Will you be changing the complete valve or just the core which simply unscrews?
It doesn't need changing at the moment, but I would just change the core, I now have the kit to do it with.
Followed the instructions and all is well now. Excellent 👍
Thank you.
I’m pleased you found it helpful, thanks for commenting. I should look at it myself, as a reminder🤠
Now I konw how my calorifier should work. So far, so good. Forgive me if I missed something, but mine has a diesel feed: is yours different? Andy, Nb Whiskey Mac.
Hi Andy. Sorry but I really can’t help, as I don’t understand what you mean by a diesel feed, do you mean to your boiler? Cheers Alan
@@MyNarrowboatVenture I have a calorifier that heats water for both hot accumulator and radiators. It has a diesel feed. I only worked this out when a tap on the diesel line leaked and I had to close it. After that the calorifier would not work. When I put in for some other work the engineer replaced the o-rings on the tap which had hardened (doh!) and then it was fine.Hope this clarifies, Andy.
@@andrewdennis6654 Hi Andy, thanks for your reply. I'm still struggling to understand. With my calorifier, one coil is connected to the engine and the other to the diesel webasto boiler. What I don't understand is the 'diesel feed' to the calorifier. Are we talking about the same thing but using different terminology? I can't see how the calorifier would have a diesel feed, sorry but I am interested to understand.
@@MyNarrowboatVenture I think we have different systems. My calorifier is fed by a ratther thin diesel line. As I said, when the diesel feed was repaired it worked very well. I don't use it much, and it does knock the batteries a bit. Your accumulators seem to be more accessible than mine. Best wishes. Andy.
@@andrewdennis6654 I understand what you're saying but hadn't heard of it before. All the best Alan
new to boating , I was going to add a twin coil one to mine at the moment it's only a single from webasto , could you show how it's connected to the engine for the best results
Hi Paul, I'm still new to it all myself and learning all the time. I'm not the right person to explain how it connects to the engine. My calorifier was a replacement for an existing one, so connections were already there, it was just a matter of relocating and connecting it, but all this was done by heating engineers. Cheers
Do you have any details on the tire inflator?
This is what I posted on My Narrowboat Venture's Facebook page with pictures. "In response to requests for more info, these are photos of the tyre inflater I used in my You Tube video “No Pressure”. I bought it in Aldi last year and it’s their brand Ferrex. From recollection it was £30." Hope that helps Michael.
@@MyNarrowboatVenture i should have guessed. They do the best stuff. I still have some noise cancelling airline headphones that we bought on a family trip back there in 2015. Unfortunately, they don't have Aldi here in Canada, although they keep saying they might. They are in the US.
@@michaelhickman3790 That's a nuisance, I have seen them in catalogues that get included with newspapers and they're usually about £50. I'm sure you'll be able to find something in Canada - wont' you?
Your taps leavers seam the opposite action of most standard taps in regards to open(on) closed(off). Did it stop the occasional pump coming on(running) when not in use?
Hi Paul. I've never had lever taps before, so not ever thought about it. The occasional buzzing did stop when the accumulators were fitted. Cheers
@@MyNarrowboatVenture yes there the other way normally. Good to see an interesting Vlog on a subject that often baffles boaters.👍
@@paulduff3810 Thanks Paul, nice of you to say.
That buzz sounded more like a Bee, did you investigate if it was? Lol
Nice one Alan I have learned something new brilliant keep safe mate 🙂🦢🦢✌️
That's great, thanks for letting me know. Cheers
Job well done Alan. Stay safe my friend
Very kind of you to say Tony, thank you. Take care.
Hi Alan , I thought you said Lorry Fire so was expecting smoke lol, where did you get that air pump it looks very good? Nice to see you're having fun .stay safe and keep eating those cheese topped rolls, 🤠
Hi Mike, te he, thanks for your comment. The tyre inflater is Aldi's brand Ferrex, I have posted some photos on my Facebook page, My Narrowboat Venture. I've not used it much, but I'm very pleased with it. Cheers
Cheers and bye for now.
Thank you Alan. I do love informative Vlogs...ive been rather mechanically minded since shadowing my father at repairing cars...and actually repaired my own automobiles...many times..but not lately..lol..
Always good to see you..😊
Thanks for your lovely comment Susan, it's not so easy nowadays to do your own servicing on cars is it, they've become rather too technical/computerised. Hope all well x
@@MyNarrowboatVenture was many years ago and older models lol..simpler times..😊
Have a great evening...😊
@@susanmarker2164 Much easier in days gone by, you too have a lovely day xx