@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 - Again, I don't believe the OP was referring to an authentic version of *_this_* particular piece. And based upon their findings in this video, I think you can be *_very_* confident there is no authentic version of this one.
Fickle Me oh yeah the only reason they find fakes is painters don’t do enough research. The best forgers are almost never caught. In fact the best forger ever was only caught because there was an ingredient included in a paint that wasn’t listed on the label.
Some of these things are difficult to avoid. If you're producing a fake, how will you make it look old? By buying an old picture and repainting it? Or by buying a new one and try to make it look old? Both methods will be caught. And how will you get a certification of autencity, without someone being able to trace it back to a dead end? I seems to me, like it would be impossible to do everything right no matter how much you knew...
@@nikolajrasmussen9573 I mean people probably could get away with it on their wall but when it comes to its authenticity, it’s a fake through and through.
Well, you could use this video as a metaphor I suppose. Look at their history. That one pretty much speaks for itself. Visual inspection: what is their posture like? What do their nonverbals say? Ultraviolet inspection: Actively look for what they might be hiding. Fluorescence analysis: what individual attributes make up who they are? Finally, take one very close final look. Anything that they missed that hints they are being fake? Maybe this is great advice, maybe terrible, I just legitimately did this for the fun of trying to make it into a metaphor.
@@zainanwar9281 I'm sure some do, that's why I said "usually". Most people who are around the art world and/or even have enough money to purchase a painting of that renown, know that it is best to make sure your painting is real. The most common practice is for it to be authenticated before you buy it (or sell if you are a decent person and don't know whether a family heirloom is the real deal.)
Look up "Beltracchi". He faked literally every expensive painter... successfully. His fakes did sell on big auctions for millions of dollars. I bet he also faked a Pollock.
@Kristi Luchi - Thank you captain obvious, I watched the video, which was interesting, but does that make modern art legit? I don't think so. Sorry if your feelings are hurt over an opinion.
@plazasta hold on. Come back. I'm sorry. I was in a bad mood. I shouldn't have let this out on you. You can have all the expert explain things you want. I'll put a word in for you.
@@StretchReality Pollack's stuff is horseshit. $100M for one of his drunken splatter session? Art selling at these price points are bought for shallow bragging rights and b/c it will go up in value cos others said so.
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@@arbitrage2141 to each his own but I think people have over hyped his painting had he been an artist now instead of when he painted people would laugh at him and call him a joke tell me in wrong there are so many artists now that have at least equal skill than pollock but will never gain his levels of success imagine if he had to compete with the internet
This would be an excellent reality show. Walking the audience through different artists, their different signature styles. Interviews with the owners and how they came into ownership of the paintings. The investigations, and the owners' responses to finding out if their painting is a fraud or not. Make this show. With these guys.
These guys are amazing. Till their show is made - check out the BBC’s “Fake or Fortune” series. Forensics meets fine art- absolutely fascinating. Totally binge-able
The incredibly interesting name is Polish and because it ends with "czyk" its meaning is "son of a brewer", if it would be only "Piwowar" then it would mean "brewer" 😉
he is brazilian, thiago is a very brazilian name and it's not uncommon for brazilians to have slavic surnames, i had a classmate whose surname was rabczynsky
I would highly recommend "F is For Fake" if this is interesting to you... A lot of that movie deals with Elmyr de Hory who was one of the greatest counterfeiters ever.
There's a BBC series called Fake or Fortune where each episode endeavours to prove the authenticity of a piece of artwork presented to them by its current holder. They go through a variety of these steps as well as traversing around trying to discover the provenance of the paintings. Definitely worth a watch.
How could you go through the whole process of producing a fake and mimicking a chain of titles, but not verify the date of death of the painter on your document ? A genuine older owner could have mixed the years remembering so far back, but a forger ? You wouldn’t take any chances...
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers for the price, it's investment.Is it wild? YES! But is it what it is. Investments, some at least for now
Moral of the story: you can get a painting that is just as aesthetically pleasing as a genuine Pollock for a tiny fraction of the price. Go and get one, if you like that style, and enjoy it and be glad. Let the obscenely wealthy fight for ones that the famous guy touched.
Not really a study concluded that in a blind test where people were asked to choose between original works and fakes in the same style, the majority of people prefer the originals, you could just buy prints of the original though
Of course they prefer the original, but would they like it enough to pay _literally a million_ more for it? This art industry is not about taste anymore than it is about scam and money laundering.
@@RadenWA If you pay 1 mil for a painting then you've acquired a good that is worth 1 mil, and likely more. The price determines the value, not the other way around, and so you actually haven't lost any money with the purchase transaction, just transformed liquidity into another asset of the same worth.
I think it makes a lot of sense. A painting is an expression of a persons specific character and ideas, and the artist gains recognition for his contribution to an art movement that people like. Would you pay the same for tickets to go see your favorite singer's imitator as you would for the singer him/herself?
@@jyrn9410 cover bands are actually a thing and greatly respected in certain circles so yeah, if i enjoy the art I'll enjoy it I don't need it to be associated with some name.
Just a random point, but why do people always say stuff like "he chose to remain anonymous, we will call him Sydney" and then the name is almost never mentioned again?
Not even almost. It actually was never mentioned again. Maybe they call anons Sydney in their business generally, though. No doubt many of their projects have anon owners.
Just to add; they may have actually referred to him many times during the recording, and those offhand statements didnt make it in to the final cut of the video because they were about the person not the painting.
So many fake random squiggly lines. Worth 100 million dollars lmao. Rich people had smart parents.. and then the never had to develop into fucntioning human beings and turned into gullible vegetables you can farm for money. I can't even glame the art community for using them.
@@polymerclayfigure No, it's really not obvious, and there's no need to get so snobby about it (especially with that username). That kind of elitism is why the art world is so mocked.
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment
Agree Sarah Dorman. To create the believable forged art one must have excellent artistic craft skill. Maybe not the inspiration, the creativity to create the form, the way of seeing. Then there are the scientists of authentication, looking into the history of the myriad of components speaking to potential authenticity - or lack. I’m an art lover as well as science nerd. Good fun here.
the other reason why you may find it fascinating is that a great forgery has to be as good visually as the original, it has to be a perfect copy of a style that the forger has to learn to mimic. It takes incredible skill to forge a painting.
Wasn’t there a documentary about a guy that donated tons of forgeries to museums and galleries a few years back? It was pretty astounding how many he got away with. Although, I think it was more due to the fact that he evaded deep analysis like this rather than that he managed to replicate pieces precisely. EDIT: It was called Art & Craft and it covered a prolific forger Mark Landis. Would highly recommend if anyone is interested in forgeries.
@@louieschauer3527 if you believe he is right then you are saying all abstract and emotional non skilled based art is stupid and bad which is not the case
if I am right, Pollock had influential people (rich, well known modern artists as well) around him when he started - so with marketing and referrals - his value soared. if he never met them all of his works will be just squiggly and random paint all over the canvas
I doubt it. Look up his paintings, there's an artistic value to them, and there were plenty of painters through history that died in poverty and obscurity but whose works were recognized after their deaths - Van Gogh would be a pretty well known example of that. Besides, Pollock painted plenty of paintings that weren't "squiggly random paint all over the canvas", as you put it, but rather done in more traditional styles.
@@TheAce12570 There may be artistic value to them, but there is not much talent. Almost anyone could do a moderately convincing Pollock fake, but very few could do an equivalent Van Gogh fake. That's not to say Pollock did not have talent. But he's literally dripping paint on his famous paintings. They were famous precisely because of the shock value of how little talent is in employed in this style, and no one would have cared if not for the publicity driven by the acceptance of the modern art community.
Fun fact, in a study, participants (art students and psychology students) preferred modern art painted by an artist over similar looking paintings done by a mix of children, apes and elephants at a rate of about 70%. It may *look* like just a bunch of squiggles, but there's a reason his paintings are so popular.
@@JamEngulfer What about male adults with no talent? Of course there's going to be a difference between kids paintings and an adult, no matter how talentless the adult is. They're kids! I painted a square sun when I was one!
Genuine paintings have a story, I think that the story behind a forgery would be worth having on your wall, skilled artists who become rouges and all that.
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment
@@Chironex_Fleckeri buy something. Donate something to a museaum. For charitable donations you get to not have to pay as much tax and it's great for your image. Yeah i don't know everything about the AMERICAN system, because I'm not murican. Hence my name.... no need to get all superior feeling about it.
I have the impression that each step should be done independently by different people without the knowledge of the other steps results. If you have strong doubts about the provenance part for example, you would be strongly biased when analyzing the visual part...
It's different when you are trying to disprove something. Bias doesn't play the same role it does in other types of science. When trying to prove something, you can look for what is right and ignore what is wrong, but if you are trying to disprove something, it doesn't matter how much is right, if anything is wrong.
they actually stay pretty impartial, they could drop the whole thing the minute they saw that thing was aged with tea and the material lack proper sings of ageing. They still look what the pains where made of and say that titanium white was a possibility without any personal opinion or bias at all.
They didn't replicate anything, they created something new in the style of a Jackson Pollock painting and used simple aging techniques like dabbing a teabag on the canvas
You might be right but there is a famous art forgery ring that made millions after replicating hundreds of famous paintings. This group existed some 30 years ago in Asia and they had the skill to produce paintings on a sort of assembly line, replete with all the bells and whistles missing here. Cheers
I didn't realize fine art was a money laundering scheme. This marks one of the few times wading into a comment section was actually a learning experience.
We can compare it to bitcoin, not much value on the first thought, but if people believe it costs something, they are ready to pay. And yes, can be used as a laundry.
A great example of how it doesn't matter HOW you paint, but rather WHO painted it. A single line by Hitler is worth more than a beautiful ultra realistic figure painted by a random art student.
Yep. The picasso line drawings are a great example. Just very simple and plain sketches of animals, nothing remarkable. But tell people it was done by Picasso and suddenly they can 'see' all the intricate detail and artistic flair
At first I thought it was ridiculous cause it shows that the art connoisseurs care more about who made it than the artwork itself but then I remembered that’s how our money works
That's how Pollock got so famous to begin with. His art was worth nothing until he got some attention, then all of it shot up in price because POLLOCK MADE IT.
To be fair, all art is emulatable. People will study an artist, their style, and their art in such minute detail that the can produce high accuracy reproductions of all of the great artists. What makes the artist it not to copy, but to originate.
@@georgeclarke630 yeah, but you got to realise that for that price you’d expect that It would be difficult to make, but what he correctly said is that it can easily be replicated. If you want I can go into more detail, just like the comment so I get the notification, you can take it back later if you want.
So if it looks almost exactly like the original painting... why is the original so valuable? You could say it's because of history, but pollock was only famous because of the art anyway. so if the art can be replicated without almost any fault, then why is the original so valuable? It's like saying "Yeah, this burger is tasty, but it wasn't the first burger ever made."
dude, you hit the nail on the head. The whole point is that art is inherently worthless, yet we give it worth. Life is meaningless. Paint with your subconscious. Have fun. Who cares!
It's the same reasoning behind why say, a baseball signed by a famous player is valuable. It's not that "Oh, no baseball could ever look like this baseball," it's "Ah! This baseball is an item that was made valuable due to its association with the signer! It's authentic, therefore its association gives it value to me." If you can get others to agree that it's valuable, boom. You have a baseball worth potentially thousands of dollars, depending on what others agree it's worth. That being said, nothing truly has any inherent value, just the value we ascribe to it, even money and even precious metals. Money is literally worthless, but it only has worth because we agree that it's worth something. It's the same with Pollock paintings. Pollock is a well-studied artist with a specific style and an interesting composition, and people value that, and agreeing on that value makes that value real. That being said, if you've never seen a Jackson Pollock in person, I can get the idea as to why it seems like just a silly painting. If you get the chance, visit the Museum of Modern Art in New York City, they have a Pollock there. It's enormous. It takes up an entire wall, and is maybe 20 feet long or more, and maybe eight and a half feet tall. The size coupled with the mind-blowing detail makes it something that's really awesome to behold, and I spent literally an hour in that room at the MOMA just staring at it and examining it because it's one of the most interesting things just to look at.
SuperMrHolmes I think it’s the aging that makes it valuable. You have a point and I do find it weird how people care about duplicates so much. But the original painting holds creative value and it is the first ever made and that makes it more special than something that has been copied.
*forgers furiously taking notes*
i'm not a forger, but watching this video I just kept telling myself how easy it would be to forge something like this if this is all that they did
Tags this under writer not breaking the law
@@SwiftVines sure.
Thats what i was thinking lol
@@SwiftVines finding the paints would be difficult for older works theud be worth a lot
Now I want to see them examine an authentic one
kginmyheart Planning some diy later?
10:42 - "Duh-breeze!"
They already examined a authentic one otherwise they wouldn't be able to determine that this was a fake you dum dum
I'm not sure there is an authentic version of this one.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 - Again, I don't believe the OP was referring to an authentic version of *_this_* particular piece. And based upon their findings in this video, I think you can be *_very_* confident there is no authentic version of this one.
Now give them two real ones and tell them one is fake
They would 100% decide that one of them is fake, I'm sure
Fickle Me oh yeah the only reason they find fakes is painters don’t do enough research. The best forgers are almost never caught. In fact the best forger ever was only caught because there was an ingredient included in a paint that wasn’t listed on the label.
If they’re good enough detectives, they will ignore the statement that one is real or fake, and simply do the job.
2299mikey whats his name?
2299mikey can you give a name of this case?
Alternative title:
5 things not to do when producing a fake
Innit, I might just do one but just make sure to do everything right
Some of these things are difficult to avoid. If you're producing a fake, how will you make it look old? By buying an old picture and repainting it? Or by buying a new one and try to make it look old? Both methods will be caught.
And how will you get a certification of autencity, without someone being able to trace it back to a dead end?
I seems to me, like it would be impossible to do everything right no matter how much you knew...
@@nikolajrasmussen9573 I mean people probably could get away with it on their wall but when it comes to its authenticity, it’s a fake through and through.
You profile pic explains it better😂👏🏻.
sooo true
>examines a Jackson pollock with a magnifying glass
“Someone spilled something on this”
Underrated
That’s amazing 😂😂
5:15
I have a pretty good idea of who the guy is.
Please find a scientist that can spot a fake friend
That is definitely much harder...
I found one recently, but it was after the damage was done…
Well, you could use this video as a metaphor I suppose.
Look at their history. That one pretty much speaks for itself.
Visual inspection: what is their posture like? What do their nonverbals say?
Ultraviolet inspection: Actively look for what they might be hiding.
Fluorescence analysis: what individual attributes make up who they are?
Finally, take one very close final look. Anything that they missed that hints they are being fake?
Maybe this is great advice, maybe terrible, I just legitimately did this for the fun of trying to make it into a metaphor.
A psychologist
You don't need an expert for this, just to take a step back and trust your gut
These two guys could totally forge a painting and no-one would ever find out.
Yea, no one would ever be suspicious about two guys whose job is finding fake paintings trying to sell a painting...
@@AndyChamberlainMusic Just get somebody else to sell it. A collector maybe. 100 million 3 way is a lot still lol.
@@AndyChamberlainMusic I mean, did you ever watch Dexter? And obviously they wouldn't sell it themselves.
Watch white collar and find out 😂
Great Meme Warrior provenance research would bust them
They caught them with the document already, they just wrecked them at this point
Yeah, I think it´s because an expert´s analysis has to be as well documented and supported by proof as possible.
yeah... lol amateur !
it's not just that though, even if the document is a completely obvious fake, they have to exclude the possibility of the painting still being genuine
@@ivanzivkovic7572 yep, authentic paintings with fake chains of custody is a very common thing as well
Finding 1 inconsistency isn't enough.
The document can be explained away.
So basically the forgers screwed up everything you CAN screw up when making a forgery.
They didn't miss by using titanium.
id say they succeeded since they've already sold it and the buyer got it tested afterwards
@@zainanwar9281 no, usually a buyer will have it authenticated before they purchase it
@@bluebubble926 you;re talking about sensible people, idiots still exist and some people actually do just take the sellers word
@@zainanwar9281 I'm sure some do, that's why I said "usually". Most people who are around the art world and/or even have enough money to purchase a painting of that renown, know that it is best to make sure your painting is real. The most common practice is for it to be authenticated before you buy it (or sell if you are a decent person and don't know whether a family heirloom is the real deal.)
I’m hypnotized not only by the process but also how white his shirt is
Holy crap, just noticed his shirt.
I thought it was a lab coat until I read this
It's fake.
It's a tide ad
Thank you for noticing. I obsessively hand wash all my shirts.
note to self, they can smell if you teabag a painting...
Good one.
Good one.
Good one.
Good one.
*G-good one.*
“He really doesn’t brush much anymore.”
Well yeah...he’s dead
Lol
Dark
Scripturium Guerrero dark humor like family guy
It's dark and I like it.
Wellll you took the quote out of context 😄 He said at the time when Pollock started the drip paintings he wasn't really brushing any more.
They should try making they're own fake, using all of the information of what makes a bad fake.
Exactly..
*their
They do. They just don't make RUclips videos about it !
Look up "Beltracchi". He faked literally every expensive painter... successfully. His fakes did sell on big auctions for millions of dollars. I bet he also faked a Pollock.
They are already false reporting in many areas
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I need to tell you this. I find your way of speaking extremely soothing and relaxing
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You have the best accent. What kind of accent is it?
It's upside down.
Haha yeah it's so obvious
Yeah, I noticed that too...
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it’s just some fake painting anyway.
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Next step is getting a ouija board and ask Jackson "did you paint this"
"Uh, I don't remember. It's been a while."
lol
*examining a drip painting*
"Looks like they spilled something on this..."
Boy have I got some news for you..
hahahahahahah
hahaha That was my first thought. Modern art is a scam.
@Kristi Luchi whoosh
@Kristi Luchi - Thank you captain obvious, I watched the video, which was interesting, but does that make modern art legit? I don't think so. Sorry if your feelings are hurt over an opinion.
R/wooosh
Sydney: "This painting is a real Jackson Pollock"
Forgery Experts: Pollocks!
You can make the video on the condition that you let me sell it again before you release it!
N o
Ba dum thshshshshshshshshhhshshshhsshshhhhhhhhh
Oh, you! :DDDD
never thought watching two people spot a fake painting was so interesting! Can we have more?
Search out "Fake or fortune" by the BBC
@@oscard2994 oh my god thank you!
no
@@fetB oh. ok.
*walks away head down*
@plazasta hold on. Come back. I'm sorry. I was in a bad mood. I shouldn't have let this out on you. You can have all the expert explain things you want. I'll put a word in for you.
At begining of video: Wow that looks like a genuine pollock.
At end of video: what idiot would think this is real.
True. Really cool stuff to learn here.
Still, it’s not like this looks any worse then a real one. Is some paint just more “splattier” then others?
@@StretchReality
Pollack's stuff is horseshit. $100M for one of his drunken splatter session?
Art selling at these price points are bought for shallow bragging rights and b/c it will go up in value cos others said so.
this is genuinely interesting content and i love wired for that
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@@AxxLAfriku k.
@@AxxLAfriku
Weird plug, but ok.
@@AxxLAfriku weird flex but ok.
Imagine dropping a can of paint and people psychoanalyze it for the next 200 years
"you just wouldn't get it"
200 likes. Interesting
Lmao seriously though. I cant believe people call this chicken scratch art.
@@arbitrage2141 to each his own but I think people have over hyped his painting had he been an artist now instead of when he painted people would laugh at him and call him a joke tell me in wrong there are so many artists now that have at least equal skill than pollock but will never gain his levels of success imagine if he had to compete with the internet
@@arbitrage2141 It's art...but is it genius or compelling art...honestly, to most people, no.
Just plug it into Turnitin lmao
Lmao
[angry professor screeching intensifies]
Thank you for reminding me to turn in my essay
Can relate.
100% plagiarism
This would be an excellent reality show. Walking the audience through different artists, their different signature styles. Interviews with the owners and how they came into ownership of the paintings. The investigations, and the owners' responses to finding out if their painting is a fraud or not.
Make this show. With these guys.
These guys are amazing.
Till their show is made - check out the BBC’s “Fake or Fortune” series. Forensics meets fine art- absolutely fascinating. Totally binge-able
"This is *man with incredibly interesting name on so many levels*, and this is Jeff Taylor." Now that's how you create contrast.
The incredibly interesting name is Polish and because it ends with "czyk" its meaning is "son of a brewer", if it would be only "Piwowar" then it would mean "brewer" 😉
@@TheWTZ1983 cool but idc
Furdy dur Turdy who asked you
he is brazilian, thiago is a very brazilian name and it's not uncommon for brazilians to have slavic surnames, i had a classmate whose surname was rabczynsky
I would highly recommend "F is For Fake" if this is interesting to you... A lot of that movie deals with Elmyr de Hory who was one of the greatest counterfeiters ever.
There's a BBC series called Fake or Fortune where each episode endeavours to prove the authenticity of a piece of artwork presented to them by its current holder. They go through a variety of these steps as well as traversing around trying to discover the provenance of the paintings. Definitely worth a watch.
Yeah, not gonna watch it...
@@vb8428 ok
I might watch, thanks.
If you guys havent seen it, watch Beltracchi: The Art of Forgery. This is really the greatest counterfeiter *EVER* . Hes insanely good.
The art of forgery detection is more compelling than the artwork itself xD
“We’re gonna call them, Sydney”
*Why you gotta call me out like that man?*
Rocknrolla reference...
But you can see his name on the letter in 2:06 so....
shhhh
Sydney Pollock is a famous actor
@@alexv5944
It showed a last name. Syndey is a made up first name.
These guys sound like the type of dudes that cut you off mid sentence and question the reliability of your story
And we all love him for it
Matthias Tan no, just you
Ghanem__q8, the valid method to correct Matthias is to phrase your sentence in this way: no, just you. Also, uno reverse card, just u.
@@nin2494 no u
Matthias Tan no w
To confirm the authenticity of this video I need to meet these scientists, inspect the painting, the equipment used and smell the tea.
R u kidding
I just wanna smell the tea
That's some tea
You'll need to trace back the authenticity of their education/experience as well
Max Hoffstadt WOOOOOSH
sydney really messed up this time
Damnit Sydney
How could you go through the whole process of producing a fake and mimicking a chain of titles, but not verify the date of death of the painter on your document ?
A genuine older owner could have mixed the years remembering so far back, but a forger ? You wouldn’t take any chances...
had a similar thought
I think the entire video was just a staged case to show some mistakes art fakers do
Because most criminals are dopes.
If you take a UV light to my bedsheets it looks like a Jackson Pollock.
Gross
eww
Sell it for millions.
same... at least it's because I'm gettin some tho
lmfao
I love art but $100,000,000 for a drip painting is just ridiculous.
@Robin Nilsson true
@Robin Nilsson then why havent you
It's because it's a Pollock!
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers for the price, it's investment.Is it wild? YES! But is it what it is. Investments, some at least for now
drip drip
Moral of the story: you can get a painting that is just as aesthetically pleasing as a genuine Pollock for a tiny fraction of the price. Go and get one, if you like that style, and enjoy it and be glad. Let the obscenely wealthy fight for ones that the famous guy touched.
Not really a study concluded that in a blind test where people were asked to choose between original works and fakes in the same style, the majority of people prefer the originals, you could just buy prints of the original though
Of course they prefer the original, but would they like it enough to pay _literally a million_ more for it? This art industry is not about taste anymore than it is about scam and money laundering.
@@RadenWA If you pay 1 mil for a painting then you've acquired a good that is worth 1 mil, and likely more. The price determines the value, not the other way around, and so you actually haven't lost any money with the purchase transaction, just transformed liquidity into another asset of the same worth.
Moral of the story: collectors don't care about functionality but sentimental value.
It's called a Windows 95 screensaver. Pollock was a con man.
"Was this painted by Jackson Pollock or a drunken hamster?"
"A drunken hamster."
"How can you tell?"
"It wasn't signed."
When it’s on it’s side it looks like a giant pop tart
Cracky Sr 😂
Cracky Sr it does. or we’re both high
*That* explains why it looks like tomato sauce & mustard are spilled on it! And the tea.
you used 2 ''it's'' yet only one of them was used correctly :/
@Poptart
This video is making me want to re-watch the 'White Collar' :)
Neil was definitely much better at forgeries than whoever did this one 😂
Literally just finished RE-WATCHING it lol.
@@FaeLordArveyn96 it’s NOT ON NETFLIX!!!
@@andrewzanoni2681 Correct lol. It is on Hulu!
How to Steal a Million, Audrey Hepburn, Peter O'toole, Hugh Griffith.
Isn't it strange how we often value art based on who created it and not on its own merit?
I think it makes a lot of sense. A painting is an expression of a persons specific character and ideas, and the artist gains recognition for his contribution to an art movement that people like. Would you pay the same for tickets to go see your favorite singer's imitator as you would for the singer him/herself?
Only if you believe in nonsense.
@@jyrn9410 cover bands are actually a thing and greatly respected in certain circles so yeah, if i enjoy the art I'll enjoy it I don't need it to be associated with some name.
I think merit is overrated in general so...
art is just how the super wealthy move money.....
In today’s episode of “Where Has Quarantine Brought Me Today?”
lmaooo
Art
sobs in this was posted a year ago and still holds true
Just a random point, but why do people always say stuff like "he chose to remain anonymous, we will call him Sydney" and then the name is almost never mentioned again?
I assumed that "Sydney" is some sort of inside joke.
It's actually Sidney, which is an anagram for Disney.
Not even almost. It actually was never mentioned again. Maybe they call anons Sydney in their business generally, though. No doubt many of their projects have anon owners.
Just to add; they may have actually referred to him many times during the recording, and those offhand statements didnt make it in to the final cut of the video because they were about the person not the painting.
I was thinking the exact same thing; It's like we're soulmates.
And this is bunch of squiggly lines... but's it's fake. Fake squiggly lines.
I snorted laughing when I read this.
So many fake random squiggly lines. Worth 100 million dollars lmao. Rich people had smart parents.. and then the never had to develop into fucntioning human beings and turned into gullible vegetables you can farm for money. I can't even glame the art community for using them.
Tiep it’s obvious you’re not an artist lmao. it’s obviously more than just random ‘squiggles’
@@polymerclayfigure No, it's really not obvious, and there's no need to get so snobby about it (especially with that username). That kind of elitism is why the art world is so mocked.
Joelle Little the reason why the art world is so mocked is because of uneducated morons like you, sweety :)
The real crime is the price of the painting
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment
That's so ironic in the sense that extremely expensive pieces of art is commonly used for money laundering
@@choojunwyng8028 looks like this painting went through the laundry.
Two words: money laundering.
the real crime is to call it art
"We received this painting by a client that chose to remain anonymous. We are going to call him *Sidney* " *proceeds to smirk* bruh
It’s good to see g-eazy branching out into other fields
That cheeky little grin he gave when he said “we’ll call him Sydney” was adorable. It’s a good joke.
@xirsamoht x the joke is that Pollock's first major gallery showing was at the Sidney Janis gallery, in NYC.
Attention to detail at its finest.
Naw that's my mum.
when they're using UV lights, only 1 of the flashlights is actually on.
"They spilled something on this..."
You don't say.
Uh-oh.
My favorite kind of crimes. Art forgery. Idk why but it’s so fascinating
Probably because the only victims of art forgery are ludicrously wealthy people who are stupid enough to buy something that is pure garbage.
Agree Sarah Dorman. To create the believable forged art one must have excellent artistic craft skill. Maybe not the inspiration, the creativity to create the form, the way of seeing.
Then there are the scientists of authentication, looking into the history of the myriad of components speaking to potential authenticity - or lack.
I’m an art lover as well as science nerd. Good fun here.
Are there any good documentaries / movies / shows about it?
Ill tell you why- Its price.
the other reason why you may find it fascinating is that a great forgery has to be as good visually as the original, it has to be a perfect copy of a style that the forger has to learn to mimic. It takes incredible skill to forge a painting.
Wasn’t there a documentary about a guy that donated tons of forgeries to museums and galleries a few years back? It was pretty astounding how many he got away with. Although, I think it was more due to the fact that he evaded deep analysis like this rather than that he managed to replicate pieces precisely.
EDIT: It was called Art & Craft and it covered a prolific forger Mark Landis. Would highly recommend if anyone is interested in forgeries.
@dan cussin lol
I also recommend F for Fake
It’s almost like splattering paint randomly on a canvas is fairly easy to do and replicated
I kind of wish they did this with a painting that was better done.
I kind of wish they did it with a painting that didn’t look like it was made by a 3 year old.
@@NateTDOM shut up
nah
@@jjjjj8455 he’s not wrong though
@@louieschauer3527 if you believe he is right then you are saying all abstract and emotional non skilled based art is stupid and bad which is not the case
Imagine a show like the Cooking Channel but where artists make these and are judged based on authenticity
'This so-called carrot is actually a parsnip dyed orange'
I would love to watch a movie with a story of someone who outsmarts these people and actually end up getting a lot of money for the fake
There are some
Just watch " Beltracci"
There's an entire series(White Collar) about it and other art crimes... Sometimes it's kinda predictable but it's really funny and worth the time
White collar is a series that pretty good!!!!
Don't watch "Who the f#@k is Jackson Pollock?" It's unclear if it's a fake or not but she held out for more money and got nothing.
*Hotel? Thiago*
Totel? Hrivago
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I think this is my favorite comment ever lol
I could watch these two investigators for hours. Utterly fascinating.
Found some Jackson Pollock on my pizza the other day.
good one
"Well it looks like a Bob Ross but there's no video of his painting it."
if I am right, Pollock had influential people (rich, well known modern artists as well) around him when he started - so with marketing and referrals - his value soared. if he never met them all of his works will be just squiggly and random paint all over the canvas
I doubt it. Look up his paintings, there's an artistic value to them, and there were plenty of painters through history that died in poverty and obscurity but whose works were recognized after their deaths - Van Gogh would be a pretty well known example of that. Besides, Pollock painted plenty of paintings that weren't "squiggly random paint all over the canvas", as you put it, but rather done in more traditional styles.
@@TheAce12570 There may be artistic value to them, but there is not much talent. Almost anyone could do a moderately convincing Pollock fake, but very few could do an equivalent Van Gogh fake. That's not to say Pollock did not have talent. But he's literally dripping paint on his famous paintings. They were famous precisely because of the shock value of how little talent is in employed in this style, and no one would have cared if not for the publicity driven by the acceptance of the modern art community.
Fun fact, in a study, participants (art students and psychology students) preferred modern art painted by an artist over similar looking paintings done by a mix of children, apes and elephants at a rate of about 70%. It may *look* like just a bunch of squiggles, but there's a reason his paintings are so popular.
JamEngulfer everyone who thinks a little bit about where to put a dot or a stroke could do this, that’s not talent
@@JamEngulfer What about male adults with no talent? Of course there's going to be a difference between kids paintings and an adult, no matter how talentless the adult is. They're kids! I painted a square sun when I was one!
I thought they'd have some hard time finding out that it's fake but basically they started roasting the fake starting at the first second...
5:09 "It looks like they spilled something on this"
YOU DON'T SAY?
Genuine paintings have a story, I think that the story behind a forgery would be worth having on your wall, skilled artists who become rouges and all that.
Some do.
Neal Caffrey would've given them a run for their money
hahaha, glad to find white collar fan here, cheers
Best show ever
Duke Quach YESSS, I haven’t finished yet because I’m having problems downloading the episodes
Yesss, first thing I thought!
yessss
Me, a gremlin unable to even draw a circle: ha, that fake artist sucks!
Don’t worry. The "artist" doesn’t know how to draw it either.
@@Krishnajha20101 Lolol
You can paint something like this with a bottle of ketchup. You don't have to be able to draw.
Hehehehe smae
@@Krishnajha20101 Just cause this one is abstract doesn't mean he didn't know how to draw.
The audio is so uneven like one dude I have to turn the volume up high to hear but then the next second the other one talks and it's like shouting
Let me guess, the American is the one you have to turn down....?
Idk why the originals of these are even worth so much
He was first. Also pretty sure he was already an established artist.
Also great for washing money. And for rich people to get huge tax cuts.
Its an important part of art history, although how the art market works is a whole thing entirely, so not really the paintings "fault" but the investors and buyers, it's investment
@@dutchik5107 you don't know anything about tax codes...
@@Chironex_Fleckeri buy something. Donate something to a museaum. For charitable donations you get to not have to pay as much tax and it's great for your image.
Yeah i don't know everything about the AMERICAN system, because I'm not murican. Hence my name.... no need to get all superior feeling about it.
Money laundering for the rich
Geez! Who edited the SOUND??!
I don’t know man, this guy himself could be a con artist but his accent makes it all believable
I'm literally having a Neal Caffrey moment
Man, I thought this video would finally help me forge my parents' signature
I’m gonna use this for animal crossing
HAHAHAHAHAHHA this comment is the best
I have the impression that each step should be done independently by different people without the knowledge of the other steps results. If you have strong doubts about the provenance part for example, you would be strongly biased when analyzing the visual part...
It's different when you are trying to disprove something. Bias doesn't play the same role it does in other types of science. When trying to prove something, you can look for what is right and ignore what is wrong, but if you are trying to disprove something, it doesn't matter how much is right, if anything is wrong.
I had the same issue with the process
@Roy G Biv Exactly....
they actually stay pretty impartial, they could drop the whole thing the minute they saw that thing was aged with tea and the material lack proper sings of ageing. They still look what the pains where made of and say that titanium
white
was a possibility without any personal opinion or bias at all.
Would you look at that. Someone thinks they're smarter than actual scientists!
"Does it look cheap and crappy? It's probably an original" X-D
The tea was spilt on this painting...literally!
If you can replicate such a painting..it’s kind of like an art in itself 😂 I feel like replicating this would be a headache..
Honestly forgery is a sort of art.
They didn't replicate anything, they created something new in the style of a Jackson Pollock painting and used simple aging techniques like dabbing a teabag on the canvas
You might be right but there is a famous art forgery ring that made millions after replicating hundreds of famous paintings. This group existed some 30 years ago in Asia and they had the skill to produce paintings on a sort of assembly line, replete with all the bells and whistles missing here. Cheers
I mean... It is just a bunch of squiggles
@@currymouse
Squiggles made with feeling and passion✨
Me after calling out a repost:
*forgery expert*
I didn't realize fine art was a money laundering scheme. This marks one of the few times wading into a comment section was actually a learning experience.
THEY FIGURED IT OUT that it was a fake when the painter and decorator came and asked for his drop cloth back lol
“What are you gonna do with an art degree?” This. Do this.
Neal Caffrey would be appalled by this butchery
Ben 10 I was scrolling through the comments to find another White Collar fan lol
Finally ! I can't believe I had to scroll that much for a White Collar reference :D
Famous artists : let me try something new and different for a change
People 100 years later : he never did this its not made by him Fake
Me : got em
Imagine if the video ended with Conclusion: "This is a real Jackson Pollock."
0:05 _"And THIS..."_
...is the result when you snort different colors and sneeze it on the canvas.
Yup this is absolute trash, at its finest I suppose.
name please...
Thiago
hmmm thats a bit hard to spell, just give me your last name...
Piwowarczyk
History of my life in a nutshell
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@@thiagopiwowarczyk2220 I am 99% sure that you're brazilian. I just know it.
@@thiagopiwowarczyk2220 It's seems like you're a fake polish, Mr. Piwowiwarziykzykzsyk.
piwo is beer in polish
The voice lines volume is inconsistent throughout the video
Watched two times, stil entertained by how calm and detailed of what they are doing on this video scenes
Thank you Muhammad, I am glad you appreciate.
Me after Blathers tells me that the painting I bought is a fake:
i’ve been looking for this
We can compare it to bitcoin, not much value on the first thought, but if people believe it costs something, they are ready to pay. And yes, can be used as a laundry.
A great example of how it doesn't matter HOW you paint, but rather WHO painted it. A single line by Hitler is worth more than a beautiful ultra realistic figure painted by a random art student.
OldTimeGamerChannel I agree. It’s more about being close to history than anything else
Im not saying it's necessarily bad, it's just interesting how human nature works.
Hitler's favorite tie would be worth a lot more than Joe Blow's as well. Don't act surprised by something normal.
@@TheYakisobaNoodle I don't act surprised. I'm not surprised at all. It's just interesting to observe this.
Yep. The picasso line drawings are a great example.
Just very simple and plain sketches of animals, nothing remarkable.
But tell people it was done by Picasso and suddenly they can 'see' all the intricate detail and artistic flair
5:18 "how it was dabbed with a teabag" LMAO
dabbed by a hater
i would watch an entire series of these two guys spotting fake paintings
This video will probably end up giving the forgery criminals more tips on how to forge more successfully.
😀
I can just hear them furiously taking notes.
i think it should be legal to forge Jackson Pollock. I wonder how much will originals cost then XD
It is easy to understand that the painting will be examined in these ways, but harder, I think, to find a way to circumvent the measures.
I can assure you that they already know, but don't bother because there are plenty of people with an excess of money and a lack of sense.
"Thiago Piwowarczyk" and that accent. That guy is BRAZILIAAAN!!!
no man,that surname is Polish so his a Pole
@@iwoszymanski3584My Brother in law has a polish surname (and citzienship) and is Brazilian... His accent and First name are way more telling
@@iwoszymanski3584 Little bit of research, confirms he's Brazilian
@@JoaoNMatz In that case my guess is that he is half Polish half Brazilian,many Poles fled to Brazil in 20th century because of wars and communism
@@JoaoNMatz and Polish citizenship is acquired if one of the parents is Polish so he probably has both citizenship
At first I thought it was ridiculous cause it shows that the art connoisseurs care more about who made it than the artwork itself but then I remembered that’s how our money works
That's how Pollock got so famous to begin with. His art was worth nothing until he got some attention, then all of it shot up in price because POLLOCK MADE IT.
The fact that a $100,000,000 painting is so emulatable that you need dna and ultraviolet light to prove it as false is really sad
To be fair, all art is emulatable. People will study an artist, their style, and their art in such minute detail that the can produce high accuracy reproductions of all of the great artists. What makes the artist it not to copy, but to originate.
Just because it is valued at $100m doesn't mean it's gonna have some sort of anti-replication system installed lol
@@georgeclarke630 yeah, but you got to realise that for that price you’d expect that It would be difficult to make, but what he correctly said is that it can easily be replicated. If you want I can go into more detail, just like the comment so I get the notification, you can take it back later if you want.
@@georgeclarke630 what would you like clarified
So if it looks almost exactly like the original painting... why is the original so valuable? You could say it's because of history, but pollock was only famous because of the art anyway. so if the art can be replicated without almost any fault, then why is the original so valuable?
It's like saying "Yeah, this burger is tasty, but it wasn't the first burger ever made."
dude, you hit the nail on the head. The whole point is that art is inherently worthless, yet we give it worth. Life is meaningless. Paint with your subconscious. Have fun. Who cares!
It's the same reasoning behind why say, a baseball signed by a famous player is valuable. It's not that "Oh, no baseball could ever look like this baseball," it's "Ah! This baseball is an item that was made valuable due to its association with the signer! It's authentic, therefore its association gives it value to me." If you can get others to agree that it's valuable, boom. You have a baseball worth potentially thousands of dollars, depending on what others agree it's worth.
That being said, nothing truly has any inherent value, just the value we ascribe to it, even money and even precious metals. Money is literally worthless, but it only has worth because we agree that it's worth something. It's the same with Pollock paintings. Pollock is a well-studied artist with a specific style and an interesting composition, and people value that, and agreeing on that value makes that value real.
That being said, if you've never seen a Jackson Pollock in person, I can get the idea as to why it seems like just a silly painting. If you get the chance, visit the Museum of Modern Art in New York City, they have a Pollock there. It's enormous. It takes up an entire wall, and is maybe 20 feet long or more, and maybe eight and a half feet tall. The size coupled with the mind-blowing detail makes it something that's really awesome to behold, and I spent literally an hour in that room at the MOMA just staring at it and examining it because it's one of the most interesting things just to look at.
SuperMrHolmes I think it’s the aging that makes it valuable. You have a point and I do find it weird how people care about duplicates so much. But the original painting holds creative value and it is the first ever made and that makes it more special than something that has been copied.
It's not about how much effort is put into a piece, it's about how much you can get for them.
Rarity, bozo. It's not that hard to understand
The fake is just as good as the original or the original is just as terrible as the fake
i would say both are awful and it doesn't matter at all, don`t you agree ?
I am taking this with me for the rest of my life.
Bingo!
cool story bro
Man, that twist ending though. I thought I knew for sure what the outcome was.
You can tell it is a fake within 5 seconds of looking at it.
that sly face he makes when he said, Sidney 😅 1:24
Sydney art museum perhaps?