Concerning the loot on the ground, the game is designed so you only pick up items that are worth your time. Selling them is not worth it. So generally you pick up item when : - They're better than what you use (obviously) or may be usefull for an alt - They are good base for crafting - They have rare affixe you want to get for crafting (you can break the items to get these) To help with this, there is an in-game filter (Ctrl+F) quite complete, that let you filter by rarity, item type, affixes on the item, etc.
Ok so the first thing I can tell you is try to use the loot filter, it's legit the best loot filter I've seen (really intuitive too, press shift F and start customizing). You can discard the items you dont need and prioritize the ones you do. Also, use the loot filter to find affixes that you think will fit your build, then use runes of shattering to gain affixes and craft every 10 levels or so
Is there a way to share loot filters between players? Aside from PoE the other game I played with one was Nordicandia and you could look for a filter someone else posted and use it. Makes it good for new players so they can get a filter for various stages of the game from within the game.
@@NyxVellum this is at least part of the reason the loot feels lackluster early on because the crafting system is the best of any ARPG made before (maybe not as complex as Poe but 100 times easier to use). Making your own Filter is super easy as well so you only see the items you want to see. Also once you make a second character you can use the affixes collected before to improve your weapons in the early game
I don't remember the hotkey atm. but LE has the best in-game guide/wiki I've ever seen in a game, it was the only ARPG where I didn't need to have a wiki open on the second screen.
@@TheZerosteel D4 is just easier for someone new to the genre to see if they enjoy ARPGs. Its overall a simpler with less mechanics or options. Its a good gateway game with good marketing budget. Compared to PoE which is pretty unfriendly for casuals. Slow to start with what initially seems like an overwhelming talent system with tons of mechanics to deal with and punishing when not doing things right. Its a freaking amazing game... for the right audience. Last Epoch falls perfectly in the middle where it has a lot of the goods from PoE while not being quite as hardcore for someone to just have fun. I think all 3 games have their place.
been watching your POE series, and really happy you're doing one for Last Epoch. Much more approachable game without guides and I'd say a lot more fun for somebody coming from the Diablo series.
I am almost surprised you never opened the in game help guide, which is extremely extensive and covers pretty much every stat, ailment and so on in the game. Years ahead of Path of Exiles Help page thats been outdated for 8 years.
The idea is that you use the "Runes of Shattering" to break down gear with Affixes that are useful for you. For example, you might drop a 2Hand sword that has massive crit chance, you can use rune of shattering to break it into crit chance shards, which then you can use to upgrade your daggers. There is a pretty in-depth item filter that can help hide some of the junk
I'm sorry but this isn't "Diablo 4 Player Tries Path of Exile For The First Time - Act 4" - Still, having played Last Epoch too, I will watch it and I will enjoy it.
Love the crafting in this game, filters too. Agree the early game feels better than poe, poe campaign only really starts feeling good to me in act 4 once you have access to all the tools. The game expects you to make your own filter based on affixes you care about and then either craft on those items or shard them to craft onto other items
Completely understand your preference for a more gritty fantasy, but we have such a severe lack of High Fantasy in ARPGs , at least in terms of modern good ARPGs. I'm really glad last epoch has high fantasy elements. also tbh, high fantasy a fits ARPGs a lot more. Always thought it was weird that were supposed to be in this dark intense gritty world, and then our character is meat grinder, killing a comical amount of enemies with a comical amount of blood
Been loving your poe series and was excited albeit late to see you did this on last epoch which is one of my favorite arpgs right now. I really hope we get a continuation when 1.0 drops. Keep up the great work.
Not gonna lie. Almost thought this was Act 4 for POE. But totally down to get your insights on games like this as well! Keep up the awesome content man
I think not feeling the 3% attackspeed is a fair take but... 3% attackspeed from passive tree then 3% attackspeed from skill specialization makes a difference and both are leveled separately so it's not hard to get 18% attackspeed if 3 points are invested in each tree. Also, you can have a 3% attackspeed in general in passives then invest in damage to skill specialization to balance out the stats and not limiting the points for one stats.
One more thing - you gotta learn the difference between additive and multiplicative boosts to stats...that'll make some of those small numbers seem a lot more exciting to you
Guess what... Last Epoch also has free inventory space in your bank and it also has a crafting bag where you store unlimited amount of crafting items for free. Unlike D4 lol
My favorite skill tree system (allows a really wide variety of builds, viable ones) and crafting. I really like this game. Plus the item filter is amazing! Gonna go back to playing once it officially releases.
the leveling experience in last epoch is sooo good, i played 5k hours of poe so the leveling experience here is just something you are forced to go through to play the game, but in last epoch i actually don't mind doing campaign over again, it's just more fun (endgame of LA has not has much as poe tho)
Not sure if anyone has recommended it yet, but you should give Wolcen a try as well. Recently picked it up again and been having a blast. It would be nice to see your take on it. I've been enjoying your take on Path of Exile and this video too XD
LE is one of the only ARPGs I've ever played that was fun from the beginning. It doesn't make you wait until level 5 to get something other than a basic attack. The skills are great. Can't wait for 1.0.
@@TBContent24 Fun fact in PoE you use one fucking ability for 99% of the time... all builds are built around spamming one fucking skill for hours and hours and hours... that's bad gameplay... there are builds that all skills outside the main skill are literally activated by support gems... Sorry but PoE fanboys are literally sniffing something when they're saying PoE is a great game... it's a good game with a fuckton of flaws... which fanboys refuse to look at because it's also a game for elitists who think that they're better than anybody else playing ARPGs because they crafted a build on PoE... sure, congrats, whatever... Also the skill tree of PoE is BAD... it's big for the sake of being big... all of the nodes, or at least 99% of them are passive boosts... they make no difference in gameplay outside of the numbers... that's a very dumb way to construct a skill tree... PoE is a super niche game for people that want to theory craft about how to make big numbers from adding passive boosts... but as far as gameplay goes it's mediocre because it only focuses on the theory craft and not on actually having fun WHILE PLAYING... I was playing PoE and I spent literally 8 straight hours pressing one button... tell me that this is the best ARPG ever made... really... convince me it is...
For the items. Game has built-in filter system, where you can really easily block things you cant or dont want to use or highlight specific affixes etc you want.
Awesome, can't wait for Last Epoch to get some more updates, specifically the trading/enhanced solo stuff Grim Dawn first impressions next? Tho, having 3 "series" running at once + diablo content might be a bit much lol
One thing I love about LE is FREE (real $ wise) unlimited stash tabs that you can even customize and organize it's a item hoarders dream, the built in loot filter system and crafting system is great too.
- However many masteries exist in this game is the amount of times I've fought that bird dude boss and I didn't once notice it was a bird dude on a bird until you pointed it out. - I tell this to all the new LE players I encounter because all of us ARPG enjoyers have preferred input schemes and the mechanic isn't obvious but there's an alternate left click damage mode: If you click those little feet on your action bar, you can set an alternate movement mode where left click attacks if it can attack, else it moves. There was an issue where holding shift to lock your character in place in this mode didn't work, but it was fixed very recently. Try it out if that's something which interests you. - Rogue is fun and definitely worth sticking to (Bladedancer is my favorite), just note that it's missing a skill on each mastery. If you go back to the character selection menu and look at the skills for each mastery, on the right hand side you'll notice that Rogue and all of the Rogue masteries have only 4 skills but the other class masteries have 5. Just letting you know in case you try another class and wonder why it feels a little more powerful. EHG has said they intend to implement these missing skills by 1.0. - Regarding your issue with small increments on passives: do not be deceived by those small numbers. The increments may look small, but pay more attention to the word after the small number. Does it say "Added"? That's a flat increase. Does it say "Increased"? That's an additive multiplier to base+added. Does it say "More"? That's completely multiplicative of (base+added)*increased. For example; if your base melee damage is 100, and you have the modifiers '+20 Melee damage', '30% increased Melee damage', '10% Increased Melee damage', '+8% More Melee damage' and '+5% More Melee damage', you'd be doing (100 + 20) * (1 + .3 + .1) * (1 + .08) * (1 + .05) = *191* melee damage (it's rounded up). I know my example seems tame but I didn't want to litter this comment with a giant math formula, the reality is you can have dozens of sources of these modifiers. The in-game guide explains it more (press G). There are also other ways to gain multipliers based on your core attributes and the "added damage efficency" of the skill you're applying the damage with, and you may also encounter strange modifiers like "makes this skills damage scale with increases to uncapped Fire Resistance" You can also shred resistances, and resistances can go negative in this game, which is another way of increasing damage. - The max level in the game is 100, not 50. Each level grants you a passive point, so you can have 115 passive points in total (15 from side missions). Only the right half of your chosen mastery passive tree is exclusive. You can invest points into the left half of any mastery tree (and unlock the skills that come with that). The max level for each skill is 20, but you can find "+x to " modifiers which allow you to exceed this cap. - Everything other commenters have said about not picking up all the loot that drops and using the item filter etc is spot on, but having watched many "new player tries LE for the first time" videos I do think that LE needs to do a better job of making these itemization tips more obvious to the new player, so I don't actually disagree with your criticism on itemization. Just because itemization is good, doesn't mean it cannot still *feel* bad on a first impression... which is a kind of bad spot to be in for an ARPG imo. You can't fix the "itemization is bad" problem when itemization truly is good (and it is, LE probably has the best itemization of any ARPG I've ever played, and I've played them all), so what do you do when new players don't see the good and just discredit it as bad? It has to be more in-your-face. Even if it's something like a glaringly annoying popup that shows up whenever the first class-restricted item you cannot equip drops that starts a "how to use the loot filter" tutorial wizard, it'd be an improvement. - Regarding microtransactions. There is an MTX shop, which is cosmetic-only, in the online version of the game. EHG has publically made promises to never charge real money for things like stash tabs, character rerolls, or stat-affecting items.
Love that you're doing Last Epoch , since I'm gonna buy it anyway when it comes out , but please don't drop the PoE playthrough , love that game and enjoy seeing people play it :)
Been looking at this game for a while on steam but haven't gotten it yet. I'm already neck deep in Grim dawn. Diablo 4 and POE. This feels a lot like POE which i love so maybe I'll ll give it a shot. POE also has a lot of loot drops that don't fit the character/build that I'm playing so i ignore most drops. I agree that this game is more for experienced ARPG players than for newbies to the genre.
liked the way of your video making. everyone complaining about it's not poe but i liked the video very much.Hope you expand your hand on many other gener.
I can think of Atleast 2 quests that directly push the player to interact with the forge, because crafting is an important part of the game. But arguably the most important thing for the player is the loot filter, as demonstrated by watching this video, he was getting flooded with useless items that cluttered up everything. And yet the game has zero quest or tooltip to point a new player in the direction of the loot filter. I remember when I was playing the first time, the way I discovered it even existed was by reading through the keybind options page. Like what are the chances I would have pressed shift+f by accident? The game never once tells you to press shift+f. This is a huge oversight by EHG in my opinion. Sometimes when you know a game so very well it becomes very difficult to put yourself in the mindset of a brand new player. They need to pay attention to videos like this.
Not sure I agree with the complaint about passives only being small state changes. I can't think of any ARPG where every single skill point you spend provides some big changes, especially in the early game. Pretty much all of the big ones (D4, PoE, Grim Dawn) have small increments that add up to something big once your build starts to come together.
He didn't touch the crafting system, how it should be used. The +1 base dmg is actually huge, when he craft himself a weapon on level 5 with +100%+++ extra dmg. The game do not aim "billions" as dmg numbers in late game, the progress is far more smooth out. What also isn't visible on the first glance, how bleed, poison and co is handled. +100% on bleed means, every hit adds 1 stack of bleed. +50% on bleed, every hits adds 0,5 stack of bleed. And if you could see in the video, skill add +50% bleed, than +40% bleed, your items add +120% bleed, and you guess it. If you run +800% bleed, that every hit of your flurry high attack speed build adds +8 stack of bleed.
People get used to games that make them cream their pants right from the start every time they click a button, so it's not surprising to see this reaction here, really. This could easily come off as a snide remark and a disrespect, but I mean it as a realistic reflection on the trends in game design. That really is what a lot of games try to do. They need to get their hooks in you so fast before your attention is drawn elsewhere, so it has become the norm for people to expect impactful rewards right at the beginning. I can't really blame the player here, but I also don't blame the designers. The industry and the attention economy of the internet are the real culprits, and there's not a whole lot to be done about it. It just is what it is.
I played through early access a year ago, and loved it then already. Been waiting for 1.0 since then. I realy hope this game blows up so they have the means to keep building on it post release.
D4 - Hot Mess POE - Great game, you need calculus Last Epoch - I hear you like skills! So i put skill trees in your skills so you can level skills in your skills! I love Last Epoch though, lots of experimentation. Grim Dawn - Adventure beginning to end, the only one of the 4 that feels like a journey.
I like that bosses don't regenerate their health when you die. It's makes for real brain dead gameplay that requires little to no for forethought before encounters. If Pacman is too cerebral a game for you, you may want to check out Last Epoch.
Seeing as to how you enjoyed this game, something is telling me you would enjoy an old ARPG called Titan Quest, in case you haven't yet. I still need to personally give a try to Last Epoch and I was thinking on doing so when 1.0 would come out, but this video made me change that. Might be grabbing it as my Christmas gift.
The kind of cosmetic microtransactions I want to see in arpgs is a gold/currency sink where I can only buy things if I grinded them in the game itself. So the appearance is more of an indicator of playtime.
con for me would be animations. it just doesn't look like a swing feels like anything. Like no weight or feeling of swining. At least from watching the video. (haven't played the game and will most likely play on 1.0 launch) also seeing like I think a barbarian doing the jump attacks and slamming on floor, it looks sooo bad lol. Really hope they upgraded animations a lot
missed the loot filter, its pretty good. easy enough to set up on your own as well. the loot filter can double up as a build guide as well. hide base type items you dont want, even hide rareity you dont want anymore. you can show/recolor stats you like as well
this game has the most fun skill/passive system i've ever gotten to experience as an RPG player. Crafting has depth but it's not grossly complicated. Last Epoch 10/10 can't wait for the release.
I recently played both Last Epoch and Path of Exile for the first time. I played until about level 50 or so I think in Last Epoch before trying out Path of Exile and I've decided I probably wont go back to Last Epoch. I think the story telling is definitely better in Last Epoch but I found I was having way more fun with Path of Exile. The mobs felt better and the skill system / tree also felt way better. I love that when I put a point into the tree on PoE it's generally noticeable but in Last Epoch I felt you don't really notice the changes. And since both are graphically similar, though I would say I think PoE is edges out a bit especially in the dungeon designs. Being that I'm new to both I'm probably going to focus my time playing PoE. I might revisit this game in the future if/when I want to change it up.
Last epoch fully releases on february 21, which is like a very good while into the next league in PoE, so its probably gonna be a good time to try it then, how are your journey going in PoE? i have played that game for like 6 years, so i am always interested in how newer players find the game :)
@@tobiasbuhl2037 I have only been playing PoE for about 3 weeks now. I'm in the middle of Act 6 and so far really liking it. I'm using the little bit of time left in this league to experiment around with a build and learn how everything works in the game. Which I think I have a pretty good grasp of now. I'm going to be playing the next league with a friend who has also only just started with the hopes that everything we learned will make a difference. Right now I have a level 56 Elemenatalist. Not using any guides whatsoever since I think figuring stuff out is half the fun and so far whatever build I've been making has been working out great. Though once I hit Act 6 I realized I definitely need to spec into more health and shield. I'm pretty much a glass cannon haha.
@@shane75776 ooh cool, slight warning you might hit a wall, its kinda a tradition in PoE that the first character people try to make themselves sucks, especially in endgame, since the campaign is joked around as the "tutorial" in PoE. But these things are what makes PoE such a awesome game, its incredibly hard to figure out, but once you do its heavily rewarding, again i have played 6 years and there are certain build types i simply avoid because i do not understand their damage scaling while also making it tanky enough for higher tier maps, also sometimes when other players tell me stuff i get baffled that such things are possible, but it pretty much has endless replayablity and as the founder says "once you reach maps, we then own you" almost everyone i know who plays it comes back to the game for league start.
@@tobiasbuhl2037 I've picked up some map pieces but don't really know what I'm supposed to do with them yet or if they are even relevant where I'm currently at so I've just been putting them in my stash.
@@shane75776 Maps are the endgame of PoE, what you do after you finished the campaign, if you've played diablo 4 think nightmare dungeons or if you played D3 rifts, just Waaaaay more expansive. its a whole system in itself with its own "passive skill tree".
Thx for video. You can also try a bit forgotten game (they messed up on launch with bugs and servers so they losttheir chance to shine), game name is Wolcen
I swear sometimes I can't stop thinking.. how do you not realize you're supposed to put your Spammable Attack on Rightclick as someone that is supposed to have ARPG Experience? "Why would I ever rightclick".
Been playing this game almost five years now, been great to see it grow and improve. It’s a really good one to alternate with PoE between leagues and such. Awesome devs, good community. PoE is definitely the more complete game and has a decade or so of expansion and league content piled up, so I’d only really recommend Last Epoch to arpg veterans that want something new or someone that wants something less complex than PoE.
Even us who've played PoE since its closed beta agree that Last Epoch does things like its early game and crafting way better than PoE does. lol There are things that are not explained really well in either game (like loot filters, as many commenters have already mentioned LE has probably the best loot filtering system in any aRPG out there. It is intuitive, fast to set up and can be changed on the fly.) The actual level up passives are not as impactful as the skill passive trees, it is pretty similar design philosophy as to how PoE passives are pretty bland outside of its notable and keystone passives and the actual power comes from the gem socketing and gear. But the absolute best part of LE for me is the fluidity of the gear upgrading. You can literally pick up a white item from the ground, throw few affix shards on it since those drop like candy and you're incentivised to use runes of shattering on your old gear as well as literally any blue or yellow that drop to get more of the shards. (the armor vendor sells those for 2000g a pop and they also start dropping pretty frequently the further into the game you go.) That crafting system means that you should never be behind when it comes to gear and at the endgame you have a lot of freedom and ease of access to very good rares (unlike in games like PoE where that can be an insane pain in the arse.) The endgame in LE just does not have as much *stuff* in it as PoE does, but PoE also has over a decade of dev time to shove those in them. To some this is a plus, some find it lacking. I'm kinda in the middle. I tend to play Last Epoch and Grim Dawn between PoE seasons since neither of them have as exhaustive endgames, but since they're not as exhaustive it is easier to get to the point where I want to get and when I get there, the new PoE season usually is just around the corner! I hope to see you back in LE when the 1.0 releases, I really enjoyed this video! (Same with your PoE stuff! Hopefully you'll be back to the game in the future!)
feels better than path of exile earlygame? absolutely fair. Path of exile doesnt really "begin" until you get to around level 60-70, in a lot of peoples eyes!
I think last epoch's early game is better as well, the skill specialization system is really well done. The crafting is also very fun and powerful yet balanced. A lot better than poe's insane gambling click-athon. But unfortunately the game kind of fizzles out early on in the endgame. Poe's mapping system and years worth of league mechanics is just vastly superior and more fun than last epoch's system. But hopefully with time both poe's early game and last epochs lategame will get better!
The microtransactions I want to see in an arpg like that would be sth like a gold sink where I can buy very "expensive" shiny things from currency that drops in the game once I don't need it for anything relevant to gameplay any more. So the appearance is more indicator of playtime if you actually care about stuff like that.
This game does have a gold sink at the end game in the form of a dungeon called the Lightless Arbor. You can blow through 2mil+ gold there and get some crazy rewards, but it's just uniques, set items, exalted items, runes and glyphs for crafting etc. There are some rare drops to be had, but it's not comparable to cosmetics you can buy in the MTX shop if its only the appearance you're after. Just wanted to point out that there is a gold sink in the game because that is important to some players. Passive re-rolls and stash tabs also cost in-game gold, so there's that too.
Since it seems like you keep trying to learn how to play ARPGs, one of crucial ideas for them is understanding which item is better. There is a thing called "tooltip DPS" which basically says how much a skill is doing damage per second so you can check it before and after and see which item/talent/skill is better. It not always works and there are some caveats but its pretty straight forward. The shitty weapons you were using just because they are "yellow" were quite bad, any blue item with damage mods would out-damage them. The gameplay for Last epoch would want you to filter out and show items with good damage rolls, which you then use or break with rune of shatering so you can put them on on any weapon you want.
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Concerning the loot on the ground, the game is designed so you only pick up items that are worth your time. Selling them is not worth it.
So generally you pick up item when :
- They're better than what you use (obviously) or may be usefull for an alt
- They are good base for crafting
- They have rare affixe you want to get for crafting (you can break the items to get these)
To help with this, there is an in-game filter (Ctrl+F) quite complete, that let you filter by rarity, item type, affixes on the item, etc.
Yeah, setting up a thorough item filter tailored to your build is a huge thing in this game.
It seems like the loot filter is quite important!
@@NyxVellumvery important and very easy to setup
@@janmachala6511 also unlike most other games the loot filter is incorporated in the game,it's not an external thing
@@NyxVellum It is and LE's loot filter is the best in the arpg market. It's powerful, robust and super duper easy to use
Ok so the first thing I can tell you is try to use the loot filter, it's legit the best loot filter I've seen (really intuitive too, press shift F and start customizing). You can discard the items you dont need and prioritize the ones you do. Also, use the loot filter to find affixes that you think will fit your build, then use runes of shattering to gain affixes and craft every 10 levels or so
Hell yeah I'll check that out.
Is there a way to share loot filters between players?
Aside from PoE the other game I played with one was Nordicandia and you could look for a filter someone else posted and use it. Makes it good for new players so they can get a filter for various stages of the game from within the game.
@@NyxVellum this is at least part of the reason the loot feels lackluster early on because the crafting system is the best of any ARPG made before (maybe not as complex as Poe but 100 times easier to use). Making your own Filter is super easy as well so you only see the items you want to see. Also once you make a second character you can use the affixes collected before to improve your weapons in the early game
I don't remember the hotkey atm. but LE has the best in-game guide/wiki I've ever seen in a game, it was the only ARPG where I didn't need to have a wiki open on the second screen.
Press “g”
I started playing Last Epoch about a week ago... I'm loving it. Its the perfect middle ground from D4 and PoE.
exactly!
if for middle ground you mean that is far superior than d4 then you are right
@@TheZerosteel D4 is just easier for someone new to the genre to see if they enjoy ARPGs. Its overall a simpler with less mechanics or options. Its a good gateway game with good marketing budget.
Compared to PoE which is pretty unfriendly for casuals. Slow to start with what initially seems like an overwhelming talent system with tons of mechanics to deal with and punishing when not doing things right. Its a freaking amazing game... for the right audience.
Last Epoch falls perfectly in the middle where it has a lot of the goods from PoE while not being quite as hardcore for someone to just have fun.
I think all 3 games have their place.
Now I only need to wait for more end game contents to be further developed on post release.
Diablo 4 is like the worst game of all time :(
been watching your POE series, and really happy you're doing one for Last Epoch. Much more approachable game without guides and I'd say a lot more fun for somebody coming from the Diablo series.
Refreshing to see a zoom level that's wide enough to see the full area of combat after the restrictive over-zoomed view in Diablo!
I am almost surprised you never opened the in game help guide, which is extremely extensive and covers pretty much every stat, ailment and so on in the game. Years ahead of Path of Exiles Help page thats been outdated for 8 years.
The idea is that you use the "Runes of Shattering" to break down gear with Affixes that are useful for you. For example, you might drop a 2Hand sword that has massive crit chance, you can use rune of shattering to break it into crit chance shards, which then you can use to upgrade your daggers. There is a pretty in-depth item filter that can help hide some of the junk
I'm sorry but this isn't "Diablo 4 Player Tries Path of Exile For The First Time - Act 4" - Still, having played Last Epoch too, I will watch it and I will enjoy it.
Episode 4 of POE is coming 😂😂😂
Hahaha, so sorry! haha
My exact reaction when I saw this video haha
These next couple acts are going to be great. I'll watch this one too. I enjoy last epoch as a off season playthrough.
What the hell does 4 inches have to do with it lol
Love the crafting in this game, filters too. Agree the early game feels better than poe, poe campaign only really starts feeling good to me in act 4 once you have access to all the tools. The game expects you to make your own filter based on affixes you care about and then either craft on those items or shard them to craft onto other items
Completely understand your preference for a more gritty fantasy, but we have such a severe lack of High Fantasy in ARPGs , at least in terms of modern good ARPGs. I'm really glad last epoch has high fantasy elements.
also tbh, high fantasy a fits ARPGs a lot more. Always thought it was weird that were supposed to be in this dark intense gritty world, and then our character is meat grinder, killing a comical amount of enemies with a comical amount of blood
Thanks for the feedback! I love dirt.
As someone that feels depression creeping inn when constantly in dark zones im really happy LE is so bright and colourful. I wish POE was like that :D
will you ever try playing Grimdawn? I wonder about your opinion with these game
Been loving your poe series and was excited albeit late to see you did this on last epoch which is one of my favorite arpgs right now. I really hope we get a continuation when 1.0 drops. Keep up the great work.
Not gonna lie. Almost thought this was Act 4 for POE. But totally down to get your insights on games like this as well! Keep up the awesome content man
Last Epoch is still probably my favorite arpg out right now
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17:28 there’s literally a button on the top right of the window that says “Guide” 😆
I think not feeling the 3% attackspeed is a fair take but...
3% attackspeed from passive tree then 3% attackspeed from skill specialization makes a difference and both are leveled separately so it's not hard to get 18% attackspeed if 3 points are invested in each tree. Also, you can have a 3% attackspeed in general in passives then invest in damage to skill specialization to balance out the stats and not limiting the points for one stats.
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Wait...the scenario design has changed a lot since I'd played it! Love it!
I should give it a try!
One more thing - you gotta learn the difference between additive and multiplicative boosts to stats...that'll make some of those small numbers seem a lot more exciting to you
Yaaas! Great video! I'm loving Last Epoch as well. (Insert obligatory loot filter remark.)
Very nice, how much?
@NyxVellum Learning curve wise, you think "new players" would have an easier time with Last Epoch or Path of Exile?
I love poe but it's brutal for new players. There's a zero percent chance this is harder.
Thanks for the video! You got me into it! I'm really interested in that game
Great video! and very spot on cons and pros
Thank you so much!
Good job. now you have things to compare which is on market))
Guess what... Last Epoch also has free inventory space in your bank and it also has a crafting bag where you store unlimited amount of crafting items for free. Unlike D4 lol
My favorite skill tree system (allows a really wide variety of builds, viable ones) and crafting. I really like this game. Plus the item filter is amazing! Gonna go back to playing once it officially releases.
the leveling experience in last epoch is sooo good, i played 5k hours of poe so the leveling experience here is just something you are forced to go through to play the game, but in last epoch i actually don't mind doing campaign over again, it's just more fun (endgame of LA has not has much as poe tho)
What is this strange POE map?
Episode 4 is coming out this week
Not sure if anyone has recommended it yet, but you should give Wolcen a try as well. Recently picked it up again and been having a blast. It would be nice to see your take on it. I've been enjoying your take on Path of Exile and this video too XD
Wolcen is still alive with his million bugs?!😮
Use the loot filter ☺️ and it makes a world of difference. I usually set it to ignore whites and blues.
LE is one of the only ARPGs I've ever played that was fun from the beginning. It doesn't make you wait until level 5 to get something other than a basic attack. The skills are great. Can't wait for 1.0.
Have you played POE? You get an ability to use in the first intro area
@@TBContent24 Fun fact in PoE you use one fucking ability for 99% of the time... all builds are built around spamming one fucking skill for hours and hours and hours... that's bad gameplay... there are builds that all skills outside the main skill are literally activated by support gems...
Sorry but PoE fanboys are literally sniffing something when they're saying PoE is a great game... it's a good game with a fuckton of flaws... which fanboys refuse to look at because it's also a game for elitists who think that they're better than anybody else playing ARPGs because they crafted a build on PoE... sure, congrats, whatever...
Also the skill tree of PoE is BAD... it's big for the sake of being big... all of the nodes, or at least 99% of them are passive boosts... they make no difference in gameplay outside of the numbers... that's a very dumb way to construct a skill tree...
PoE is a super niche game for people that want to theory craft about how to make big numbers from adding passive boosts... but as far as gameplay goes it's mediocre because it only focuses on the theory craft and not on actually having fun WHILE PLAYING...
I was playing PoE and I spent literally 8 straight hours pressing one button... tell me that this is the best ARPG ever made... really... convince me it is...
@@sportschool3537 cool
@@sportschool3537I completely agree with you, also imagine replaying the whole campaign every season…
Is that "balista balista" your new catchphrase?
For the items. Game has built-in filter system, where you can really easily block things you cant or dont want to use or highlight specific affixes etc you want.
I need to check that out
Glad you're enjoying our game
Awesome, can't wait for Last Epoch to get some more updates, specifically the trading/enhanced solo stuff
Grim Dawn first impressions next? Tho, having 3 "series" running at once + diablo content might be a bit much lol
You're using the Diablo 2 font :D
Was considering a 10th+ play through of Grim Dawn, but this seems like really great one to try, especially given the price.
One thing I love about LE is FREE (real $ wise) unlimited stash tabs that you can even customize and organize it's a item hoarders dream, the built in loot filter system and crafting system is great too.
This was chill and informative.
My vibes.
- However many masteries exist in this game is the amount of times I've fought that bird dude boss and I didn't once notice it was a bird dude on a bird until you pointed it out.
- I tell this to all the new LE players I encounter because all of us ARPG enjoyers have preferred input schemes and the mechanic isn't obvious but there's an alternate left click damage mode: If you click those little feet on your action bar, you can set an alternate movement mode where left click attacks if it can attack, else it moves. There was an issue where holding shift to lock your character in place in this mode didn't work, but it was fixed very recently. Try it out if that's something which interests you.
- Rogue is fun and definitely worth sticking to (Bladedancer is my favorite), just note that it's missing a skill on each mastery. If you go back to the character selection menu and look at the skills for each mastery, on the right hand side you'll notice that Rogue and all of the Rogue masteries have only 4 skills but the other class masteries have 5. Just letting you know in case you try another class and wonder why it feels a little more powerful. EHG has said they intend to implement these missing skills by 1.0.
- Regarding your issue with small increments on passives: do not be deceived by those small numbers. The increments may look small, but pay more attention to the word after the small number. Does it say "Added"? That's a flat increase. Does it say "Increased"? That's an additive multiplier to base+added. Does it say "More"? That's completely multiplicative of (base+added)*increased. For example; if your base melee damage is 100, and you have the modifiers '+20 Melee damage', '30% increased Melee damage', '10% Increased Melee damage', '+8% More Melee damage' and '+5% More Melee damage', you'd be doing (100 + 20) * (1 + .3 + .1) * (1 + .08) * (1 + .05) = *191* melee damage (it's rounded up). I know my example seems tame but I didn't want to litter this comment with a giant math formula, the reality is you can have dozens of sources of these modifiers. The in-game guide explains it more (press G). There are also other ways to gain multipliers based on your core attributes and the "added damage efficency" of the skill you're applying the damage with, and you may also encounter strange modifiers like "makes this skills damage scale with increases to uncapped Fire Resistance" You can also shred resistances, and resistances can go negative in this game, which is another way of increasing damage.
- The max level in the game is 100, not 50. Each level grants you a passive point, so you can have 115 passive points in total (15 from side missions). Only the right half of your chosen mastery passive tree is exclusive. You can invest points into the left half of any mastery tree (and unlock the skills that come with that). The max level for each skill is 20, but you can find "+x to " modifiers which allow you to exceed this cap.
- Everything other commenters have said about not picking up all the loot that drops and using the item filter etc is spot on, but having watched many "new player tries LE for the first time" videos I do think that LE needs to do a better job of making these itemization tips more obvious to the new player, so I don't actually disagree with your criticism on itemization. Just because itemization is good, doesn't mean it cannot still *feel* bad on a first impression... which is a kind of bad spot to be in for an ARPG imo. You can't fix the "itemization is bad" problem when itemization truly is good (and it is, LE probably has the best itemization of any ARPG I've ever played, and I've played them all), so what do you do when new players don't see the good and just discredit it as bad? It has to be more in-your-face. Even if it's something like a glaringly annoying popup that shows up whenever the first class-restricted item you cannot equip drops that starts a "how to use the loot filter" tutorial wizard, it'd be an improvement.
- Regarding microtransactions. There is an MTX shop, which is cosmetic-only, in the online version of the game. EHG has publically made promises to never charge real money for things like stash tabs, character rerolls, or stat-affecting items.
Okay this was your best video we need a part 2 cuz I lost it when you keep screaming ballista 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love that you're doing Last Epoch , since I'm gonna buy it anyway when it comes out , but please don't drop the PoE playthrough , love that game and enjoy seeing people play it :)
That is curious comparisons of rogues: Diablo 4’s, PoE’s, and Last Epoch’s
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ultra settings are not the best settings btw.
thanks for playing this game though, great fun to watch. glad i subbed :)
great video!
play act 4 please :)
You missed the game help guide, which is quite good and useful
Been looking at this game for a while on steam but haven't gotten it yet. I'm already neck deep in Grim dawn. Diablo 4 and POE. This feels a lot like POE which i love so maybe I'll
ll give it a shot. POE also has a lot of loot drops that don't fit the character/build that I'm playing so i ignore most drops. I agree that this game is more for experienced ARPG players than for newbies to the genre.
liked the way of your video making.
everyone complaining about it's not poe but i liked the video very much.Hope you expand your hand on many other gener.
I can think of Atleast 2 quests that directly push the player to interact with the forge, because crafting is an important part of the game.
But arguably the most important thing for the player is the loot filter, as demonstrated by watching this video, he was getting flooded with useless items that cluttered up everything.
And yet the game has zero quest or tooltip to point a new player in the direction of the loot filter. I remember when I was playing the first time, the way I discovered it even existed was by reading through the keybind options page. Like what are the chances I would have pressed shift+f by accident? The game never once tells you to press shift+f.
This is a huge oversight by EHG in my opinion. Sometimes when you know a game so very well it becomes very difficult to put yourself in the mindset of a brand new player. They need to pay attention to videos like this.
great video man, thank you for the review.
Not sure I agree with the complaint about passives only being small state changes. I can't think of any ARPG where every single skill point you spend provides some big changes, especially in the early game. Pretty much all of the big ones (D4, PoE, Grim Dawn) have small increments that add up to something big once your build starts to come together.
He didn't touch the crafting system, how it should be used.
The +1 base dmg is actually huge, when he craft himself a weapon on level 5 with +100%+++ extra dmg.
The game do not aim "billions" as dmg numbers in late game, the progress is far more smooth out.
What also isn't visible on the first glance, how bleed, poison and co is handled.
+100% on bleed means, every hit adds 1 stack of bleed.
+50% on bleed, every hits adds 0,5 stack of bleed.
And if you could see in the video, skill add +50% bleed, than +40% bleed, your items add +120% bleed, and you guess it.
If you run +800% bleed, that every hit of your flurry high attack speed build adds +8 stack of bleed.
People get used to games that make them cream their pants right from the start every time they click a button, so it's not surprising to see this reaction here, really. This could easily come off as a snide remark and a disrespect, but I mean it as a realistic reflection on the trends in game design. That really is what a lot of games try to do. They need to get their hooks in you so fast before your attention is drawn elsewhere, so it has become the norm for people to expect impactful rewards right at the beginning. I can't really blame the player here, but I also don't blame the designers. The industry and the attention economy of the internet are the real culprits, and there's not a whole lot to be done about it. It just is what it is.
I played through early access a year ago, and loved it then already. Been waiting for 1.0 since then. I realy hope this game blows up so they have the means to keep building on it post release.
Wait spear is not Melee?
D4 - Hot Mess
POE - Great game, you need calculus
Last Epoch - I hear you like skills! So i put skill trees in your skills so you can level skills in your skills! I love Last Epoch though, lots of experimentation.
Grim Dawn - Adventure beginning to end, the only one of the 4 that feels like a journey.
Itemization will feel bad, without the crafting system being understood....You can add and remove perks...fire damage to cold and strength to dex, etc
they need to allow shield and spear. make it a skill node. the character already holds it with one hand.
Items con is easily fixed by implementing the in-game loot filter...something that's not available in D4 and which has the exact same problem...
I like that bosses don't regenerate their health when you die. It's makes for real brain dead gameplay that requires little to no for forethought before encounters. If Pacman is too cerebral a game for you, you may want to check out Last Epoch.
No matter the game, ballista ballista is the way to go 😂
Absolutely
now the question is, when grim dawn?
Is this game PC only?
I believe so
Seeing as to how you enjoyed this game, something is telling me you would enjoy an old ARPG called Titan Quest, in case you haven't yet. I still need to personally give a try to Last Epoch and I was thinking on doing so when 1.0 would come out, but this video made me change that. Might be grabbing it as my Christmas gift.
The kind of cosmetic microtransactions I want to see in arpgs is a gold/currency sink where I can only buy things if I grinded them in the game itself.
So the appearance is more of an indicator of playtime.
con for me would be animations. it just doesn't look like a swing feels like anything. Like no weight or feeling of swining. At least from watching the video. (haven't played the game and will most likely play on 1.0 launch) also seeing like I think a barbarian doing the jump attacks and slamming on floor, it looks sooo bad lol.
Really hope they upgraded animations a lot
Itemization is good but you need to get into crafting to make use of it. Setting up a loot filter is a necessity.
the dgraphic improvments is coming 21 feb
2 minutes in to the video and i see this game has spears. I'm sold, ima buy it
300 Cosplay intensifies!
Decent animation and graphics.
I like this map system with different eras ... end of time .. someone likes chrono :)
As diablo player since 2000... after tried poe....no turning back. Poe is superior...
missed the loot filter, its pretty good. easy enough to set up on your own as well. the loot filter can double up as a build guide as well. hide base type items you dont want, even hide rareity you dont want anymore. you can show/recolor stats you like as well
So is the PoE series dead for the time being then? :(
this game has the most fun skill/passive system i've ever gotten to experience as an RPG player. Crafting has depth but it's not grossly complicated.
Last Epoch 10/10 can't wait for the release.
As a poe player i really liked the crafting in Last Epoch, cheap easy and fast to get some decent items with what you need.
lol
Cant wait for grim dawn! They just had a massive update years after the games been out adding a dedicated dodge and some other good shit!
Wtf man this is a Last Epoch video nobody talks about grimdawn here wtf ?Grim is offline game is a totally different game don’t compare ..
I recently played both Last Epoch and Path of Exile for the first time. I played until about level 50 or so I think in Last Epoch before trying out Path of Exile and I've decided I probably wont go back to Last Epoch. I think the story telling is definitely better in Last Epoch but I found I was having way more fun with Path of Exile. The mobs felt better and the skill system / tree also felt way better. I love that when I put a point into the tree on PoE it's generally noticeable but in Last Epoch I felt you don't really notice the changes.
And since both are graphically similar, though I would say I think PoE is edges out a bit especially in the dungeon designs. Being that I'm new to both I'm probably going to focus my time playing PoE. I might revisit this game in the future if/when I want to change it up.
Last epoch fully releases on february 21, which is like a very good while into the next league in PoE, so its probably gonna be a good time to try it then, how are your journey going in PoE? i have played that game for like 6 years, so i am always interested in how newer players find the game :)
@@tobiasbuhl2037 I have only been playing PoE for about 3 weeks now. I'm in the middle of Act 6 and so far really liking it. I'm using the little bit of time left in this league to experiment around with a build and learn how everything works in the game. Which I think I have a pretty good grasp of now. I'm going to be playing the next league with a friend who has also only just started with the hopes that everything we learned will make a difference.
Right now I have a level 56 Elemenatalist. Not using any guides whatsoever since I think figuring stuff out is half the fun and so far whatever build I've been making has been working out great. Though once I hit Act 6 I realized I definitely need to spec into more health and shield. I'm pretty much a glass cannon haha.
@@shane75776 ooh cool, slight warning you might hit a wall, its kinda a tradition in PoE that the first character people try to make themselves sucks, especially in endgame, since the campaign is joked around as the "tutorial" in PoE. But these things are what makes PoE such a awesome game, its incredibly hard to figure out, but once you do its heavily rewarding, again i have played 6 years and there are certain build types i simply avoid because i do not understand their damage scaling while also making it tanky enough for higher tier maps, also sometimes when other players tell me stuff i get baffled that such things are possible, but it pretty much has endless replayablity and as the founder says "once you reach maps, we then own you" almost everyone i know who plays it comes back to the game for league start.
@@tobiasbuhl2037 I've picked up some map pieces but don't really know what I'm supposed to do with them yet or if they are even relevant where I'm currently at so I've just been putting them in my stash.
@@shane75776 Maps are the endgame of PoE, what you do after you finished the campaign, if you've played diablo 4 think nightmare dungeons or if you played D3 rifts, just Waaaaay more expansive. its a whole system in itself with its own "passive skill tree".
Thx for video. You can also try a bit forgotten game (they messed up on launch with bugs and servers so they losttheir chance to shine), game name is Wolcen
Has he played Grim Dawn, if not he should give it a go
I swear sometimes I can't stop thinking.. how do you not realize you're supposed to put your Spammable Attack on Rightclick as someone that is supposed to have ARPG Experience? "Why would I ever rightclick".
Been playing this game almost five years now, been great to see it grow and improve. It’s a really good one to alternate with PoE between leagues and such. Awesome devs, good community. PoE is definitely the more complete game and has a decade or so of expansion and league content piled up, so I’d only really recommend Last Epoch to arpg veterans that want something new or someone that wants something less complex than PoE.
@@TrueRandomization I don’t know about story- but I’ve got about about 2500 hours out of Last Epoch so far.
Even us who've played PoE since its closed beta agree that Last Epoch does things like its early game and crafting way better than PoE does. lol
There are things that are not explained really well in either game (like loot filters, as many commenters have already mentioned LE has probably the best loot filtering system in any aRPG out there. It is intuitive, fast to set up and can be changed on the fly.) The actual level up passives are not as impactful as the skill passive trees, it is pretty similar design philosophy as to how PoE passives are pretty bland outside of its notable and keystone passives and the actual power comes from the gem socketing and gear.
But the absolute best part of LE for me is the fluidity of the gear upgrading. You can literally pick up a white item from the ground, throw few affix shards on it since those drop like candy and you're incentivised to use runes of shattering on your old gear as well as literally any blue or yellow that drop to get more of the shards. (the armor vendor sells those for 2000g a pop and they also start dropping pretty frequently the further into the game you go.) That crafting system means that you should never be behind when it comes to gear and at the endgame you have a lot of freedom and ease of access to very good rares (unlike in games like PoE where that can be an insane pain in the arse.)
The endgame in LE just does not have as much *stuff* in it as PoE does, but PoE also has over a decade of dev time to shove those in them. To some this is a plus, some find it lacking. I'm kinda in the middle. I tend to play Last Epoch and Grim Dawn between PoE seasons since neither of them have as exhaustive endgames, but since they're not as exhaustive it is easier to get to the point where I want to get and when I get there, the new PoE season usually is just around the corner!
I hope to see you back in LE when the 1.0 releases, I really enjoyed this video! (Same with your PoE stuff! Hopefully you'll be back to the game in the future!)
Wait, is diablo 4 not have movement skills?
great stuff
feels better than path of exile earlygame? absolutely fair. Path of exile doesnt really "begin" until you get to around level 60-70, in a lot of peoples eyes!
I think last epoch's early game is better as well, the skill specialization system is really well done. The crafting is also very fun and powerful yet balanced. A lot better than poe's insane gambling click-athon. But unfortunately the game kind of fizzles out early on in the endgame. Poe's mapping system and years worth of league mechanics is just vastly superior and more fun than last epoch's system. But hopefully with time both poe's early game and last epochs lategame will get better!
The microtransactions I want to see in an arpg like that would be sth like a gold sink where I can buy very "expensive" shiny things from currency that drops in the game once I don't need it for anything relevant to gameplay any more.
So the appearance is more indicator of playtime if you actually care about stuff like that.
This game does have a gold sink at the end game in the form of a dungeon called the Lightless Arbor. You can blow through 2mil+ gold there and get some crazy rewards, but it's just uniques, set items, exalted items, runes and glyphs for crafting etc. There are some rare drops to be had, but it's not comparable to cosmetics you can buy in the MTX shop if its only the appearance you're after. Just wanted to point out that there is a gold sink in the game because that is important to some players. Passive re-rolls and stash tabs also cost in-game gold, so there's that too.
You need to drop the basic default attack and swap it for a skill. In this game and in PoE 😂
you every heard of undecember
so it's grim dawn skin?
Since it seems like you keep trying to learn how to play ARPGs, one of crucial ideas for them is understanding which item is better. There is a thing called "tooltip DPS" which basically says how much a skill is doing damage per second so you can check it before and after and see which item/talent/skill is better. It not always works and there are some caveats but its pretty straight forward.
The shitty weapons you were using just because they are "yellow" were quite bad, any blue item with damage mods would out-damage them. The gameplay for Last epoch would want you to filter out and show items with good damage rolls, which you then use or break with rune of shatering so you can put them on on any weapon you want.
This should be much easier game to get into, considering how much he been struggling at PoE.
Will it be on console
Eventually I'm sure.
next time use the loot filter
For sure
Well of course you need item from the ground if it's an upgrade..? Isn't that like the idea of ARPG's ?