I’m not sure of the sensor system on the Golf and the Atlas 2021.5 are the same, but same here -I’ve avoided both front and back collision, thanks to the front assist system. My guess is that the front assist system has been redesigned? Maybe someone can comment more on this thought.
The brake assist actually saved my life a couple months ago. I would’ve ran into a guard rail from someone trying to run me off the road but the car took control and saved me
saved my car today from front end smash took eyes off rd to pick phone charging on passenger seat car grinded to a full stop ok was only doing 20 mph so no need for me to test it ,it did it its self great
I think using a ball as a test obstacle was a poor choice. The sensor works by transmitting ultrasonic sound and detecting reflected sound. A sphere will reflect back to the car only the tiny amount of sound hitting the small surface area that directly faces the car. A small cardboard box would have been a more realistic test.
This System really works. I drove 2020 SKODA Superb in autobahn about 130-140 kmh and the cars in front of me braked strong. I had enough distance but the car dicided that I did not break enough and applied emergy break till complete stop. Unfortunately car behind me didn't have enough distance and crash at my car.
The object infront must be moving! That means not across your path but in the same direction as you are. Think about it... If you were exiting the Autobahn and following the road as it turns, how would it know that the guardrail straight ahead isn't a car? It doesn't! Therefore it's designed to ignore stationary objects. For a radar system something crossing it's path is the same as stationary because relative location front to back does not change. That said Pedestrian warning which does work in a cross-path situation, operates by recognizing a very basic shape of arms and legs moving. These systems actually work quite well but only in the scenarios they were designed for. If you read your owners manual you will see the same thing I just described but probably explained better. :)
This is a very bad test! Obviously you don't know how the system works. It is not designed to react to every object in front of the car and especially not yoga balls! It´s designed to react on other cars and pedestrians (depending on which year the Golf is manufactured) If you for example watch a fresh test from euroncap they show how the systems is supposed to work. So, check your facts and don't spread wrong information on the internet. Knowledge is power but not if it´s incorrect!
Hi Per i agree with you as i said in the video is a test more like for cats or dogs if you pay attention in the video. I also said that the car was stop in the back of another car (my experience). I don't say the system it is wrong, i just say the people pay more attention to the road. Maybe the system it is working with people and cars. Maybe i will make a test with me soon :)
Well, the system is not supposed to react on cats and dogs. The only manufacturer today that has a system that is supposed to react on wild animals i Volvo in the xc60. Bet then it's designed to react on elks or raindeers. Not small animals. I don´t really se the point of testing a system for something that it´s not designed for. There are different types of systems on the market with similar function but they are all designed to see different shapes. Thats why it reacts to other cars and in some cases pedestrians. Because it recognises the shape of a car or pedestrian. The next thing that AEB systems going to start recognise is people on bicycles but that is something that recently has came out on the market. If the system had reacted to the ball there would be something wrong with it. If you look at the other comments, people are going to think that the systems don't work when they in fact really do. Otherwise there would not be something that every manufacturer installs in their cars. There have been studies that show that AEB systems decreases the risk och being in a severe accident with up to 42 %.
There are actual real tests showing how this system does work. I would be interested to see how the radar waves bounce off of the ball, do enough of them get sent back to the car to register or do they deflect in a bunch of different directions. The goal of Front assist is to help avoid or lessen the severity of an accident. Not guaranteed to avoid all accidents. No assist feature should replace paying attention.
Brake assistant straight up saved my life on the highway! Went from 70 to a dead stop and I was not prepared.. I was so shocked because I forgot I had the feature in my 17' passat lol
This brake assist had saved my life. I could have got into a serious car crash in my Tiguan as the car in front of me suddeny stopped at 100kph freeway
I drove a Skoda Octavia 2018 model once, and it did work on its own. It was a Highway and a car was ahead at a decent distance. It auto-braked. I believe it's the same system.
First, your Yogo ball probably doesn't bounce back the radar signal. It absorbs the signal. Second, you probably drove too fast. This feature only works at low speed. This is to avoid sudden hard braking in case there is a false object detection.
I was try it at 29 km/h and 45 km/h. Probably you are right i will try it with other object soon maybe with a pedestrian. It was just a test that show we have to pay more attention to the road even when we have those kind of technologies on our cars.
Brake assist isn’t designed in order to detect objects on the road, brake assist doesn’t only use a front radar, it also uses a series of cameras that determine the distance of the vehicle, it’s presence on the road, their velocity and other critical aspects in order to protect the driver. So, if the system does not detect a car, it will not stop. That’s why if you use a ball it will not be detected by front assist, that doesn’t mean that the system is working sometimes or not, in fact, if the system is unable to work, it will show in the dash “front assist not available”. But front assist is working since you drive your car, and can only detect cars, trucks, motorcycles or even pedestrians.
Front assist radar reacts ("sees") metalic targets, not dielectric (plastic, cardboard, etc) ones. It will break if a chips bag (that has some aluminium foil in it) passes in front of the sensor (seen this with Skoda Octavia III). Tests shown here are invalid and outside the specifications of the manufacturer (speed, etc).
My Skoda brought me to a complete stop before, worked really well. You've got to remember they are calibrated for specific things, so that they don't slam the brakes on if a bag flys in the road etc.
The Volkswagen dealer told me that the front assist only works if you don't try it yourself. Suddenly something happens for you in traffic that the front assist does work. I don't think it works at all in my T-cross.
An empty plastic ball is virtually transparent to radar. The whole point of radar/camera sensor fusion is to avoid emergency braking for soft obstacles like balls, flying sheets of cardboard... It would have been a malfunction if it had engaged brakes. Try wrapping it with alumilium foil, it's basically how real test targets are made for vehicle collision tests (except the foil is inside and they're roughly car-shaped)
So I need some help… in my Volkswagen Taigun, (not Tiguan) in the settings it says „front assist (forward collision warning)“. Does that mean I do not have automatic breaking included in my car?
LOL I would not think a yoga ball has a very discernible radar signature. IIHS and NCAP have some real tests for anyone looking for real results on how this works :)
Brake Assist problems.... disconnect the front bumper radar sensor and tape up the plug to stop water getting in. The brakes will go back to normal so the driver has full control
I am driving vw cars for long time and I agree what you said about technology which sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t so thanks for making great contents keep it up 👍🏽
Maybe the car is so smart that it knows you are just screwing with it, and is merely trolling you in return?😆 Seriously, though, it was my understanding that automatic breaking activated best at speeds approaching 30 mph, not 19 mph. Signal strength is also of utmost importance. My automatic breaking system was triggered at night, due to a large metal slab that was covering a construction hole. I was dumbfounded, thinking I had struck something and hit the brakes in response---but the car had already stopped. However, the fact that the car stopped due to a metal slab barely 2 inches higher than the ground is an indication of just how sensitive this system can be. It is also necessary to keep your windshield clean, as the sensor, in my case, is located inside the far front bend of the windshield glass.
You mustn't let off the gas. When you let off the gas as you do in the video because you can see that the revs drop, he recognizes that you are going to react. Instead, drive and hold the gas as if you want to hit the ball in front of you, don't let go. Then he realizes that you are away and reacts at the last moment. At least I experienced it many times on my Passat B8.
It happened with me too…a car in front of me, a crazy driver, decided on a highway just to stop and drive backward because he missed an exit…My Tiguan did not react at all…usually it reacts like crazy for simple obstacles and even cars, trucks etc…this time it did not see the car.
I believe the problem is with the front radar location. Radar is behind the vw amblem, the ball height is below the radar. If you can try it with a bigger ball, I believe it should work.
Awww also forget to mention that if you check with official vw videos, pedestrian safety works with real pedestrians. I mean the camera on top of the windshield recognizes the real pedestrians. You can check it out on RUclips, they use dummy pedestrians to test the system.
I just saw earlier a tesla test with the same object and it too failed to avoid hitting the object and that has an almost 360 view. 2 different technologies but maybe you get the point.
Help!! CAN I SUE VW because my tiguan 2019 all of the sudden STOPS in the middle of the road because of emergency brake system while I was driving 50mph ? (There was no vehicle ahead) And luckily because there was no other vehicle behind Im still alive now or the driver behind. Can I sue them ?
I have 2023 Amarok Aventure and front asist never work... just signal and alarm..never break and seatbelt set. I'm planing to test witl bollon like that or bigger and I just test wild pork with 50kh/speed and with out any action hit the pork..no alarm no break
I tried an aeb pedestrian test with a Passat B8 and a new Tiguan. The Tiguan worked fine. Nevertheless you need a real human (walks from a perpendicular angle in your drive corridor) because it works with a radar only system (Conti ARS410) and uses for that moving legs of a pedestrian. With the Passat, which should have the same system (Bosch sensor fusion, mpc camera and mrr radar sensor) as in your Golf, I did not have luck. The pedestrian detection did not work at all. With detecting cars it is not a problem and front assist can detect them.
My front assistant not working every time to. Some time i must brake at using a active tempomat. It works at cca 98% of time and some time i could have a crash.
Dude, they mentioned in the owner's manual that the front assist is only working with and able to recognize three objects (A car, a bicycle, and a pedestrian). Your test is wrong.
I thought it only worked speeds of 19mph or less. Plus I imagine spherical objects would also make it more difficult for the radar. Not a great test. Try again after reading how the system works!
Ball get to radar detection zone when there is visually less then meter between car front and ball, it just cannot detect it in time. Plus lady who pushed the ball ,in case if pedestrian detection enabled, could been identified as standing still object.
When sometimes i am over taking a cyclist the energency braking system will beep and apply the brakes hard for a split second it really does scare me to death
The braking system doesn’t work as I found out recently when the vehicle ahead stopped suddenly. The system is poor and should not be allowed as it is not consistent. I don’t use this function any more and speaking with my insurance company this is the most common type of claim (not just VW) that they are now dealing with.
To Turn off the system on all VW/Audi /Skoda completely if you are finding this interfering with normal driving and finding this very unnerving when it cuts in when not wanted. Take the cover off the Radar sensor in the front grill then unplug. Then tape over the cable plug to stop water getting in with good quality insulating tape or a waterproof tape. This as far as i am aware this will put the vehicle back to standard braking. But test the vehicles braking before going on a journey to make sure the vehicle can do a emergency stop by doing this yourself. (Did this with 19 Plate VW Transporter) As Manufacture would not risk the front grill/radar sensor if damaged, the brakes must continue to work as standard. The Front Assist will then disappear from the on dash/screen menu
I think it is only activated after you pass some speed (i.e. highways), I have noticed that only advice you when the car in front of you approach you too fast (hard brake), after being in front of you some seconds. Also, I understand that it won't brake for you, it will only display the warning in the console, you have to hit the brake anyways, some cars help doing the brake by reducing the shifts when this warning is on. Cars that brake automatically is because they use another system, not this one. Hope this helps, this is based on my own experience. Nice test though.
Not sure how this radar system is supposed to work. My buddy has a 2018 VW Golf. I made him a stationary test target, a 4 ft wide by 3 ft high cardboard target with the entire front covered with aluminum foil and mounted vertically. We tested his braking system going forward and backward and ran the target over every time. We tried different speeds with no success. If anyone can think of why it didn't work we'd like to know.
For some reason it only works when you are on a actual road. Try doing it on a parking lot or on a side road that does not show on the gps and it does not work.
@@sekopiski For our test we were in a parking lot and of course the target was stationary. I forgot to add the target was a rectangle. It's hard to test this system as no one wants to risk actual damage. Maybe the system differs from model to model or year to year. My buddy thinks it only works on moving objects. But a parking lot shouldn't matter since there are lots of cars in and people walking through mall lots.
That road you are on does not show on the map. That's why it does not work! Sounds stupid, but it's true. Found out when i tried similar tests on a frozen lake.
This is a good test for one good reason. Microwave in a front radar will transmit to the object. If object has more metals/blood cells/water, then will reflect the wave back to radar. Thus will a car activate the braking system and stop. But here we have one big issue of the breaking system. The radiation cone of the radar, will not detect some higher people, or animal which are too near to a car. This is a blind spot of the radar. So my recommendation is drive safely, trust your own experience and mostly at day.
Do a paper cutout of a person and try again. The computer might not detect the ball as being a human, and the roundness of the ball could be doing something funky with the radar.
SDA Dan yes it works with real people. And under 30km/h. I first get a mess that it detects and then a warning. By the way. We have -16 degrees here in sweden last week. The car started on ev and could drive 20km range✌🏻✌️
Oh only 20 km, i was expect a little more maybe close to 30km. Yes i will try with a Pedestrian soon, actually my car brake once with a car in front and i think was more like 50km/h, so i am sure it work with higher speed for the cars. Sweden is cool, i have to visit one day. :) Here is still warm close to 8C.
I am glad the car did not stop for a yoga ball. It is designed to recognize real threats, such as heavy metal objects, or the leg movements of humans. Imagine if someone threw a yoga ball at your car going high speeds, this would be dangerous if the car suddenly applied the brakes, causing even more accidents! Use a real test such as another car and it will work.
🤔🤔🤔🤔It is wrong test , the emergency brake working only less than 15 km/h( golf), what a man you first understand how to work emergency braking😏😏😏 , try to check and reply
I own a 2018 golf variant with front assist system and was wondering how to test if this really works. Now I'm so disappointed.... Nonetheless thanks a lot for your video.
@@TheNikesh85 It never stopped me to a complete halt but just a week ago it did a full emergency-break for me bc some idiot cut me off. So I can say for me it worked perfectly as intended :)
Absolutely useless...all you have shown is it doesn't activate for a medium sized bouncy ball - i'll bear that in mind, if i see a medium sized bouncy ball in the road that would do no damage to my car - i best brake for it and not rely on the emergency braking system.
Maybe you are right,but one of the try was at 30 km/h and was actually calm. But yesterday when i drive the car the miracle happened and one car in front of me brake and i get the warning on the screen. I guess it is working in some conditions with cars and pedestrians.
I'm surprised you left this video up. I reckon just about everyone commenting agrees that your test isn't very helpful and isn't a good way to determine what the front assist is supposed to do. I have the 2018 2.0 litre golf diesel turbo and all the driver assist features work just fine on mine. I wouldn't want my car to try and avoid a yoga ball. Would you?
Yes but if will be on a road a stone or something similar to a ball is good to know what will happend. So the fact that it didnt stop at a ball it is a fact to confirm that VW did a great job and it work only with pedestian. So actually can be a positive test. Thk for comment apreciate.
Thanks for the comment. I agree that if looked at in this way it is a positive test and I'm sorry to have taken a bad angle on your video. I have learned something, Thanks. Now I understand why you left the video up. +1
Useless test, as the car is not even allowed to brake for objects that small. And as this system is not a camera guided one, which recognizes the difference between for example a dog and a child, it's just fine not reacting to that. Why not allowed to brake for small objects? There is a law in germany at least, dont know about other countries, that says you're not allowed to do emergency braking for small animals. That ball is actualy really close to the "decision size", but probably not big enough.
This is a stupid test. Why would you like the system to stop for a bouncy ball and increase the chances of a rear-end collison when the bouncy ball can do 0% damage unlike the rear-end collision which can lead to serious damage to the people involved in the crash.
I've got a 2020 Atlas Cross Sport and the front assist does not work at all. I could literally drive it right through a building and it will not activate. Just had it over to the dealer for this and other issues with the cruise control and lane assist not working right. A $55K piece of shit. Should have bought another GM product than this.
of course, you can't fully rely on these systems, but the test itself is very poor. Not even in accordance to the user's manual. the material of the ball, the shape and size, the dynamics of the test. The systems are qualifying the objects(pedestrians, cars, trucks..real traffic objects), If it does not fit to any pattern the system will not work. When it comes to low speed , the camera is also important. It is matching the shape to certain pedestrian patterns (bodies with legs, head, feet). Your ball is not intended to be used for braking. THis is why in the real tests they use puppets shaped like humans.
I just avoided an accident in my new 2021.5 Atlas. The front assist saved me from rear ending a VW Jetta. So, it does indeed work!!!
Cool Thanks for feedback 🙂🙏👍
I’m not sure of the sensor system on the Golf and the Atlas 2021.5 are the same, but same here -I’ve avoided both front and back collision, thanks to the front assist system.
My guess is that the front assist system has been redesigned? Maybe someone can comment more on this thought.
The brake assist actually saved my life a couple months ago. I would’ve ran into a guard rail from someone trying to run me off the road but the car took control and saved me
Great to hear that thanksforfeedback, iam sure it works good in some situations 👍🙏
saved my car today from front end smash took eyes off rd to pick phone charging on passenger seat car grinded to a full stop ok was only doing 20 mph so no need for me to test it ,it did it its self great
My front assist works perfectly in the real world. With a metal car in front. Front assistant uses radar. That ball in not sufficient for this test.
Yes my work good to.
SDA Dan glad to hear that.
I just did test, But in the traffic work very good. The car it is great. No complain.
so it won't stop against concrete wall neither
So pedestrians don't have a chance
I think using a ball as a test obstacle was a poor choice. The sensor works by transmitting ultrasonic sound and detecting reflected sound. A sphere will reflect back to the car only the tiny amount of sound hitting the small surface area that directly faces the car. A small cardboard box would have been a more realistic test.
Thanks for tip Allan. Probably will try again if I have the time
@@SDADanCars correct Allan in seat leon fr of mine sensors are at te front of the rear view mirror ball to low to sense
You’re wrong that’s sonar you’re thinking of, this is radar it works with metal… I own a calibration company working with these
I just tried with a big cardboard box, 1*0.8m, it didn't worked, it should work with pedestrians and bicyclists as well
This System really works. I drove 2020 SKODA Superb in autobahn about 130-140 kmh and the cars in front of me braked strong. I had enough distance but the car dicided that I did not break enough and applied emergy break till complete stop. Unfortunately car behind me didn't have enough distance and crash at my car.
Yes it works 👍🙂After this video I had a few changes and it brakes
You have so low IQ like always😂😂😂
The object infront must be moving! That means not across your path but in the same direction as you are. Think about it... If you were exiting the Autobahn and following the road as it turns, how would it know that the guardrail straight ahead isn't a car? It doesn't! Therefore it's designed to ignore stationary objects. For a radar system something crossing it's path is the same as stationary because relative location front to back does not change. That said Pedestrian warning which does work in a cross-path situation, operates by recognizing a very basic shape of arms and legs moving. These systems actually work quite well but only in the scenarios they were designed for. If you read your owners manual you will see the same thing I just described but probably explained better. :)
You can't use a plastic ball to test this, brake assist is made to brake when approaching a vehicle, a wall or anything that is solid and big enough
Yea agree 👍👍
Works perfectly in my VW Arteon, she was tested twice recently and performed perfectly 🙂🙂
Yes I tested aslo and it worked 💪
This is a very bad test! Obviously you don't know how the system works. It is not designed to react to every object in front of the car and especially not yoga balls! It´s designed to react on other cars and pedestrians (depending on which year the Golf is manufactured)
If you for example watch a fresh test from euroncap they show how the systems is supposed to work. So, check your facts and don't spread wrong information on the internet. Knowledge is power but not if it´s incorrect!
Hi Per i agree with you as i said in the video is a test more like for cats or dogs if you pay attention in the video. I also said that the car was stop in the back of another car (my experience). I don't say the system it is wrong, i just say the people pay more attention to the road. Maybe the system it is working with people and cars. Maybe i will make a test with me soon :)
Well, the system is not supposed to react on cats and dogs. The only manufacturer today that has a system that is supposed to react on wild animals i Volvo in the xc60. Bet then it's designed to react on elks or raindeers. Not small animals. I don´t really se the point of testing a system for something that it´s not designed for. There are different types of systems on the market with similar function but they are all designed to see different shapes. Thats why it reacts to other cars and in some cases pedestrians. Because it recognises the shape of a car or pedestrian. The next thing that AEB systems going to start recognise is people on bicycles but that is something that recently has came out on the market. If the system had reacted to the ball there would be something wrong with it.
If you look at the other comments, people are going to think that the systems don't work when they in fact really do. Otherwise there would not be something that every manufacturer installs in their cars. There have been studies that show that AEB systems decreases the risk och being in a severe accident with up to 42 %.
Ok, then is the car supposed to react to small children who are the size of dogs/yoga balls?
SDA Dan then change the title to be more accordingly
If it would stop from a yoga ball, it would stop from snow and different elements. That would make it dangerous.
There are actual real tests showing how this system does work. I would be interested to see how the radar waves bounce off of the ball, do enough of them get sent back to the car to register or do they deflect in a bunch of different directions. The goal of Front assist is to help avoid or lessen the severity of an accident. Not guaranteed to avoid all accidents. No assist feature should replace paying attention.
Yes Agree Louis 👍👍
Radar doesn't even bounce through thin plastic, it goes straight through.
Brake assistant straight up saved my life on the highway! Went from 70 to a dead stop and I was not prepared.. I was so shocked because I forgot I had the feature in my 17' passat lol
Thanks Lexi for feedback. Indeed it is very helpful 🙂👍
My brake assist is not worked, I just hit the Deer.. VW ARTEON 2020
This brake assist had saved my life. I could have got into a serious car crash in my Tiguan as the car in front of me suddeny stopped at 100kph freeway
Yes Ken 👍I test it to and it works
I drove a Skoda Octavia 2018 model once, and it did work on its own. It was a Highway and a car was ahead at a decent distance. It auto-braked. I believe it's the same system.
Yes Arnold it happend to me as well it is working
First, your Yogo ball probably doesn't bounce back the radar signal. It absorbs the signal. Second, you probably drove too fast. This feature only works at low speed. This is to avoid sudden hard braking in case there is a false object detection.
I was try it at 29 km/h and 45 km/h. Probably you are right i will try it with other object soon maybe with a pedestrian. It was just a test that show we have to pay more attention to the road even when we have those kind of technologies on our cars.
No it doesn't! It activated at 50mph for no reason for me. Scared me to death!
Brake assist isn’t designed in order to detect objects on the road, brake assist doesn’t only use a front radar, it also uses a series of cameras that determine the distance of the vehicle, it’s presence on the road, their velocity and other critical aspects in order to protect the driver. So, if the system does not detect a car, it will not stop. That’s why if you use a ball it will not be detected by front assist, that doesn’t mean that the system is working sometimes or not, in fact, if the system is unable to work, it will show in the dash “front assist not available”.
But front assist is working since you drive your car, and can only detect cars, trucks, motorcycles or even pedestrians.
Front assist radar reacts ("sees") metalic targets, not dielectric (plastic, cardboard, etc) ones. It will break if a chips bag (that has some aluminium foil in it) passes in front of the sensor (seen this with Skoda Octavia III). Tests shown here are invalid and outside the specifications of the manufacturer (speed, etc).
Thanks for tip Madalin 👍👍
It works only in case of moving cars at the same of your direction, it saved me twice on road!
Yes it works just fine 👍
My Skoda brought me to a complete stop before, worked really well. You've got to remember they are calibrated for specific things, so that they don't slam the brakes on if a bag flys in the road etc.
Yes right Moss 👍 agree
Its works I saw it today 30km/h speed, no gas
Great , Thk for info 👍
The Volkswagen dealer told me that the front assist only works if you don't try it yourself. Suddenly something happens for you in traffic that the front assist does work. I don't think it works at all in my T-cross.
😊 i think it works. For me was working before
@@SDADanCars Only not in the video haha.
An empty plastic ball is virtually transparent to radar. The whole point of radar/camera sensor fusion is to avoid emergency braking for soft obstacles like balls, flying sheets of cardboard... It would have been a malfunction if it had engaged brakes. Try wrapping it with alumilium foil, it's basically how real test targets are made for vehicle collision tests (except the foil is inside and they're roughly car-shaped)
Thanks for feedback 👍🙏I think you are right
@@SDADanCars or try with the wall. Should works :)
So I need some help… in my Volkswagen Taigun, (not Tiguan) in the settings it says „front assist (forward collision warning)“. Does that mean I do not have automatic breaking included in my car?
LOL I would not think a yoga ball has a very discernible radar signature. IIHS and NCAP have some real tests for anyone looking for real results on how this works :)
Yes true👍
Brake Assist problems.... disconnect the front bumper radar sensor and tape up the plug to stop water getting in. The brakes will go back to normal so the driver has full control
Thanks for tip 👍
I am driving vw cars for long time and I agree what you said about technology which sometimes works and sometimes doesn’t so thanks for making great contents keep it up 👍🏽
Thanks for feedback Lore 🙏👍really appreciate
Maybe the car is so smart that it knows you are just screwing with it, and is merely trolling you in return?😆
Seriously, though, it was my understanding that automatic breaking activated best at speeds approaching 30 mph, not 19 mph. Signal strength is also of utmost importance. My automatic breaking system was triggered at night, due to a large metal slab that was covering a construction hole. I was dumbfounded, thinking I had struck something and hit the brakes in response---but the car had already stopped.
However, the fact that the car stopped due to a metal slab barely 2 inches higher than the ground is an indication of just how sensitive this system can be. It is also necessary to keep your windshield clean, as the sensor, in my case, is located inside the far front bend of the windshield glass.
You mustn't let off the gas. When you let off the gas as you do in the video because you can see that the revs drop, he recognizes that you are going to react. Instead, drive and hold the gas as if you want to hit the ball in front of you, don't let go. Then he realizes that you are away and reacts at the last moment. At least I experienced it many times on my Passat B8.
Haha 👍Thanks for feedback
It happened with me too…a car in front of me, a crazy driver, decided on a highway just to stop and drive backward because he missed an exit…My Tiguan did not react at all…usually it reacts like crazy for simple obstacles and even cars, trucks etc…this time it did not see the car.
Yes those system are good but not always...we still have to pay attention to the road. Same with all cars don't worry 👍
I believe the problem is with the front radar location. Radar is behind the vw amblem, the ball height is below the radar. If you can try it with a bigger ball, I believe it should work.
Yes I guess it probably work with other objects 👍🙂
Awww also forget to mention that if you check with official vw videos, pedestrian safety works with real pedestrians. I mean the camera on top of the windshield recognizes the real pedestrians. You can check it out on RUclips, they use dummy pedestrians to test the system.
I just saw earlier a tesla test with the same object and it too failed to avoid hitting the object and that has an almost 360 view. 2 different technologies but maybe you get the point.
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Help!! CAN I SUE VW because my tiguan 2019 all of the sudden STOPS in the middle of the road because of emergency brake system while I was driving 50mph ? (There was no vehicle ahead) And luckily because there was no other vehicle behind Im still alive now or the driver behind. Can I sue them ?
Hard to say .....Tesla make the same sometimes.....because of shadows or light .....
Mine did this today! Scared me to death! I was driving about 50mph in construction. I was in full control until this stupidity happened
Why did you test at over 30km/h?? VW claims emergency braking to work only bellow 30km/h. Did you read anything on this before posting ?
It is working over 30km/h you have to read the manual👍
I have 2023 Amarok Aventure and front asist never work... just signal and alarm..never break and seatbelt set. I'm planing to test witl bollon like that or bigger and I just test wild pork with 50kh/speed and with out any action hit the pork..no alarm no break
I tried an aeb pedestrian test with a Passat B8 and a new Tiguan. The Tiguan worked fine. Nevertheless you need a real human (walks from a perpendicular angle in your drive corridor) because it works with a radar only system (Conti ARS410) and uses for that moving legs of a pedestrian. With the Passat, which should have the same system (Bosch sensor fusion, mpc camera and mrr radar sensor) as in your Golf, I did not have luck. The pedestrian detection did not work at all. With detecting cars it is not a problem and front assist can detect them.
Great information, i will try with a pedestrian soon. Thank you for info really appreciate.
my Seat Leon fr save from front end crash today perfect in seat FR hope it never happens again
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My front assistant not working every time to. Some time i must brake at using a active tempomat. It works at cca 98% of time and some time i could have a crash.
Yes in 2020 they improve it and now the name is Travel Assist and is much better 👍
Dude, they mentioned in the owner's manual that the front assist is only working with and able to recognize three objects (A car, a bicycle, and a pedestrian). Your test is wrong.
Thanks for info 👍 It was a long time ago
Cuz the front assist radar is under VW front logo and not over the front lip. You have to use something bigger, or taller of the ground
Yes , Thanks for tip Ali🙏👍
I thought it only worked speeds of 19mph or less. Plus I imagine spherical objects would also make it more difficult for the radar.
Not a great test. Try again after reading how the system works!
Where is the front assist located on a 2019 Jetta ?
Mateo it should be behind the logo 👍🙂
@@SDADanCars all right, mine is the s model, and so it has the front assist sensor but not the camera
Aaa not sure about that Matteo 🙂
Ball get to radar detection zone when there is visually less then meter between car front and ball, it just cannot detect it in time.
Plus lady who pushed the ball ,in case if pedestrian detection enabled, could been identified as standing still object.
Yes ...I think you are right
When sometimes i am over taking a cyclist the energency braking system will beep and apply the brakes hard for a split second it really does scare me to death
Hallo Peter, Thanks for tip and also for watching my videos. 👍🙏
As mentioned below, it needs to be the size of a car etc to stop the car
Tony it should work for pedestrian as well or maybe dogs ....or maybe you right
I have the same car.. I does work .. but maybe not for gym balloons 😂
It saved me on the highway
Thanks for feedback 👍 Yes it work ...it also brake for me
Yes, we cant trust on VW's Front Assist as my 2018 Atlas has the same problem.
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SDA Dan Cars it works, but just with cars and people
The braking system doesn’t work as I found out recently when the vehicle ahead stopped suddenly. The system is poor and should not be allowed as it is not consistent. I don’t use this function any more and speaking with my insurance company this is the most common type of claim (not just VW) that they are now dealing with.
It is possible Paul, for me it was work 1 time ...
To Turn off the system on all VW/Audi /Skoda completely if you are finding this interfering with normal driving and finding this very unnerving when it cuts in when not wanted.
Take the cover off the Radar sensor in the front grill then unplug. Then tape over the cable plug to stop water getting in with good quality insulating tape or a waterproof tape.
This as far as i am aware this will put the vehicle back to standard braking.
But test the vehicles braking before going on a journey to make sure the vehicle can do a emergency stop by doing this yourself.
(Did this with 19 Plate VW Transporter)
As Manufacture would not risk the front grill/radar sensor if damaged, the brakes must continue to work as standard.
The Front Assist will then disappear from the on dash/screen menu
Even the Tesla ones it is not perfect....
If you look at the instrument panel, there is a triangle, which indicates that the detector has no visibility, and that's why it does not work
Thk you for info i didnt see it
My front sssist work I don’t know if it detects the ball. But it does work
Yes it is work 👍
Don't these have active hoods? Lucky it didn't work
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It has saved. Me once or twice. So sometimes it works.
Yes Bert it works fine 👍
Where is located, I have a 2019 Jetta?
Switzerland 👍
I meant where is the front assist located ?
Behind the logo 👍
I think the car doesnt have a radar down there where the ball was the cameras are up on the windshield and alsove it is a ball not a car or pedestrian
The radar it is behind the vw logo. Maybe it is not working with ball. 👍
Maybe try going 30kmh that’s when front ASCIST works
I think it is only activated after you pass some speed (i.e. highways), I have noticed that only advice you when the car in front of you approach you too fast (hard brake), after being in front of you some seconds. Also, I understand that it won't brake for you, it will only display the warning in the console, you have to hit the brake anyways, some cars help doing the brake by reducing the shifts when this warning is on. Cars that brake automatically is because they use another system, not this one. Hope this helps, this is based on my own experience. Nice test though.
Yes I think so 👍
You might wanna understand the system first and then develop a test method how to challenge it.
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We don't need to understand the system just to see it doesn't work in so simple test.
my B7 Front assist saved my ass many times and it works, but not with small plastic balls.
Thanks for info Martin 👍🙏
I hit a car that stopped short and hard and the system did nothing it’s really bad my bmw i3 worked every time someone done it.
Thanks for feedback 👍🙏
Not sure how this radar system is supposed to work. My buddy has a 2018 VW Golf. I made him a stationary test target, a 4 ft wide by 3 ft high cardboard target with the entire front covered with aluminum foil and mounted vertically. We tested his braking system going forward and backward and ran the target over every time. We tried different speeds with no success. If anyone can think of why it didn't work we'd like to know.
Thank you for add this information. Some people say it works only with people 😀😀😂😜
Volkswagen has a 1-1/2 min video on Front Assist that shows it working on cars to a full stop. ruclips.net/video/fvVGPNGwpZE/видео.html
For some reason it only works when you are on a actual road. Try doing it on a parking lot or on a side road that does not show on the gps and it does not work.
@@sekopiski For our test we were in a parking lot and of course the target was stationary. I forgot to add the target was a rectangle. It's hard to test this system as no one wants to risk actual damage. Maybe the system differs from model to model or year to year. My buddy thinks it only works on moving objects. But a parking lot shouldn't matter since there are lots of cars in and people walking through mall lots.
Maybe this system can only monitor and act with pedestrians and vehicle, not a ball like your test experience
That road you are on does not show on the map. That's why it does not work!
Sounds stupid, but it's true. Found out when i tried similar tests on a frozen lake.
Thank for tip ...👍👍👍
This is a good test for one good reason. Microwave in a front radar will transmit to the object. If object has more metals/blood cells/water, then will reflect the wave back to radar. Thus will a car activate the braking system and stop.
But here we have one big issue of the breaking system. The radiation cone of the radar, will not detect some higher people, or animal which are too near to a car. This is a blind spot of the radar.
So my recommendation is drive safely, trust your own experience and mostly at day.
Agree
Do a paper cutout of a person and try again. The computer might not detect the ball as being a human, and the roundness of the ball could be doing something funky with the radar.
Yes totally agree 👍
Have your assistant walk in front. Will probably work.
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With all the gym balls on the freeway, I'd be afraid to trust the front assist.
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Front assist is just for cars and Other auto. If you have like in my passat GTE it also detects pedestrians
Yes My Golf GTE also detect Pedestrians but i guess not this time. :) MAybe i will try one more time with a real person, :) with me maybe :)))))
SDA Dan yes it works with real people. And under 30km/h. I first get a mess that it detects and then a warning. By the way. We have -16 degrees here in sweden last week. The car started on ev and could drive 20km range✌🏻✌️
Oh only 20 km, i was expect a little more maybe close to 30km. Yes i will try with a Pedestrian soon, actually my car brake once with a car in front and i think was more like 50km/h, so i am sure it work with higher speed for the cars. Sweden is cool, i have to visit one day. :) Here is still warm close to 8C.
SDA Dan yes only 20 km. But it was -16 outside and couldnt warm the battery before. My longest range is 40km with no clima on.
I am glad the car did not stop for a yoga ball. It is designed to recognize real threats, such as heavy metal objects, or the leg movements of humans. Imagine if someone threw a yoga ball at your car going high speeds, this would be dangerous if the car suddenly applied the brakes, causing even more accidents! Use a real test such as another car and it will work.
Agree.
It can only detect cars that are moving forward
Bro it doesnt work with just a ball but dont worry it does work
I know it works, I had the chanse to see it in action when I forget to brake. 😁
🤔🤔🤔🤔It is wrong test , the emergency brake working only less than 15 km/h( golf), what a man you first understand how to work emergency braking😏😏😏 , try to check and reply
You are wrong. It works for speeds below 30kmph.
'Staying safe is of utmost importance but as a driver its something you don't want to think about' - complete lunacy.
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I own a 2018 golf variant with front assist system and was wondering how to test if this really works. Now I'm so disappointed....
Nonetheless thanks a lot for your video.
Thanks for feedback Nikesh 👍 I think it should work better in real life 🙂
I have a 2017 golf variant with Front assist and trust me it works. Even when you dont want it to haha
@@das_mo that's interesting to know. I know it has warned me on several occasions but never tested to see it come to a complete stop while driving.
@@TheNikesh85 It never stopped me to a complete halt but just a week ago it did a full emergency-break for me bc some idiot cut me off. So I can say for me it worked perfectly as intended :)
Absolutely useless...all you have shown is it doesn't activate for a medium sized bouncy ball - i'll bear that in mind, if i see a medium sized bouncy ball in the road that would do no damage to my car - i best brake for it and not rely on the emergency braking system.
Well when you accelerate like that, it would be inactive😅 I've tested it self, if you drive calmy, it would work
Maybe you are right,but one of the try was at 30 km/h and was actually calm. But yesterday when i drive the car the miracle happened and one car in front of me brake and i get the warning on the screen. I guess it is working in some conditions with cars and pedestrians.
i just checked in my skoda karoq and still working
Cool
Dude, are you kidding me you’re rolling a ball out of the last minute. The car cannot detect it. It’s made for auto stop to avoid collisions.
Brake assist only goes into effect after a certain speed to be honest
Thanks for feedback 👍🙏
Doesn’t it only sense moving vehicles?
It should do for people to or maybe objects....i dont know ....
I'm surprised you left this video up. I reckon just about everyone commenting agrees that your test isn't very helpful and isn't a good way to determine what the front assist is supposed to do. I have the 2018 2.0 litre golf diesel turbo and all the driver assist features work just fine on mine. I wouldn't want my car to try and avoid a yoga ball. Would you?
Yes but if will be on a road a stone or something similar to a ball is good to know what will happend. So the fact that it didnt stop at a ball it is a fact to confirm that VW did a great job and it work only with pedestian. So actually can be a positive test. Thk for comment apreciate.
Thanks for the comment. I agree that if looked at in this way it is a positive test and I'm sorry to have taken a bad angle on your video. I have learned something, Thanks. Now I understand why you left the video up. +1
use something metallic for the radar to acquire.
I will try it next time !!!!
Hi. What did you use to try it?
i set a large cardboard box in front of my 2020 tiguan about 5 feet wide 4 feet tall , did not warn me or stop car
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it does reach almost busted my face open cause a flying plastic bag in front of the tiguan braked so hard they almost rear ended
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I would not hit that with that speed, imagine airbag is triggered
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Useless test, as the car is not even allowed to brake for objects that small. And as this system is not a camera guided one, which recognizes the difference between for example a dog and a child, it's just fine not reacting to that. Why not allowed to brake for small objects? There is a law in germany at least, dont know about other countries, that says you're not allowed to do emergency braking for small animals. That ball is actualy really close to the "decision size", but probably not big enough.
Thanks for information 👍🙏 it is a great help.
Nice throw the ball 3 meters infront of a car going 45kmh. Of course its not gonna stop.
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This is a stupid test. Why would you like the system to stop for a bouncy ball and increase the chances of a rear-end collison when the bouncy ball can do 0% damage unlike the rear-end collision which can lead to serious damage to the people involved in the crash.
My fronst assist is not worked I just hit a deer clearly. Fail
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GTE - in 4 years buy new battery for 8k. Not worth at all
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I've got a 2020 Atlas Cross Sport and the front assist does not work at all. I could literally drive it right through a building and it will not activate. Just had it over to the dealer for this and other issues with the cruise control and lane assist not working right. A $55K piece of shit. Should have bought another GM product than this.
Thanks for feedback Anthony 🙏
Thank you for this test, it is not good to trust ACC yet. They need maybe 5 years to improve the safety of front assist and autonomous driving.
The System only stops, when peoble are in Front.
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Of course it doesn't work! It is a ball!
Yes it was just a test to see what happend 👍
Get her to pull a car out in front of you for a more realistic test, ha.
Great joke Marion ,you should be an comediant...
@@SDADanCars thank you, just kidding of course. I like your video I just bought a new Volkswagen so this is all very interesting to me
Thanks I know ...I dont mind ...drive it safe 👍👌
I just disable this feature
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Really cool Test !!!
Must have seatbelt on
Good point👍👍
of course, you can't fully rely on these systems, but the test itself is very poor. Not even in accordance to the user's manual. the material of the ball, the shape and size, the dynamics of the test. The systems are qualifying the objects(pedestrians, cars, trucks..real traffic objects), If it does not fit to any pattern the system will not work. When it comes to low speed , the camera is also important. It is matching the shape to certain pedestrian patterns (bodies with legs, head, feet). Your ball is not intended to be used for braking. THis is why in the real tests they use puppets shaped like humans.
Yes ,i think you are right. I agree with yoy.
Thank you for add your opinion.
best would be to test this with a similar ball and share the results with us
Interesent,,deci mai bine fi atent nu te baza pe tehnologie
Right
Dude the object must have the shape of human or car. You are doing shit there
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some safety features to added just for extra money no for safety :)