Stephanie is okay as an on air personality. But making her the head of creative for Smackdown straight out of college is hands down the most bone headed decision Vince ever made.
Indeed this is no different than a CEO letting thier unproven or inexperienced relative or loved one in a high ranking position. Typical nepotism hire.
@Dave And we can all agree that Tony Khan being the booker for AEW is a bad idea. At first I thought Tony would run the business side of things and appoint someone else to book the show.
The problem with Stephanie is she virtually never gets her comeuppance. She completely buries talent with no recourse, and if the talent dares to read the room and try to get the crowd going, she immediately cries foul and buries them backstage. Vince, at least, knew his job was to put over the babyface. Stephanie virtually never does that.
Stephanie (During the Authority Era) was the epitome of a villain that never really got their comeuppance by the heroes. She constantly belittled and undermined them and got away scot free. That's my main issue with her as a "heel figure".
@@takerdust Wasn't me. I kinda lost interest in wrestling at that time. I didn't get back overly interested in the WWE until the draft/Summerslam in 2016.
The Authority was the worst, specifically because they never got their comeuppence. They were booked to always win. The Shield takes out Evolution, next night Rollins turns on his brothers and joins the Authority. Cena's team wins Survivor Series and The Authority has to disband. Then Edge is taken hostage by Rollins, and Cena (the only person allowed to ) re-instates them. And the opening promos...ughhhhh...those opening promos.
I love how Cornette and Russo are both united along with the fans in that Stephanie in charge of creative or a position of power was one of the worst mistakes in WWE history
@@ahmeddemha6112 okay, but we all know that he definitely doesn't directly choose who actually writes his show otherwise we wouldn't have gotten that Kenice Mobley chick who didn't even know Bobby Lashley's name. 🤣 That was definitely a stephanie mcmahon hire.
I don’t think Stephanie really means Andre was her best friend. I think it’s just something she said because she said it when she was a kid & any interaction they had meant something to her.
That's too intelligent for a RUclips comments section... No. We have to all pretend Stephanie seriously thinks Andre The Giant was her literal best friend.
@@MattSingh1 I'm not pro AEW or pro WWE, but there's no denial on the fact that WWE's mishandling of their product in the mid 2010's led to AEW's rise. All AEW has to do is stay in their lane and grow. They'll be fine.
Stephanie has the kind of heat that makes one want to change the channel and get the fuck off my television screen, not I want to see this heel get their comeuppance
I could listen to Jim summarise from 14:00 minutes on over and over. It is the perfect description of what occurred. AEW fans didn't suddenly appear out of thin air. They were WWE fans sick of a company they'd been loyal to, serving up shit and telling them to eat it as there's nothing else to eat.
Were these WWE fans brain dead or something? I mean, if you don't like something, stop supporting it... Or is holding yourself hostage the "in thing" as a pro wrestling fan?
If this was 20 years ago okay. Now? Bullshit. Aew started bc fans keep following The Elite from promotion to promotion, and they kept watching WWE, and for the last ten years did nothing but bitch and moan and KEEP WATCHING, and ruin the product for others with their incessant crying.
Stephanie in 2000/2001as part of the McMahon-Helmsley era was a great heel persona. She was good at what she did, but she's nowhere close to one of the greatest heels of all the time.
So for like a year she was an okay heel? And like where's Bobby Heenan and Rowdy Roddy Piper on that list? I'm a huge fan of Savage's heel turn myself. That was gloriously real.
Wwe missed a lot of opportunities on certain wrestlers to pick for this “evil” series, Mr. McMahon, Gorgeous George, Triple H, Roddy Piper, Hollywood Rock, fuck it even Jim Cornette, this man used to get people beating on him and if they were far away, shoot water guns full of Draino at him
The Authority was on tv so much because USA likes the McMahons to be on tv because they’re good for ratings. & in Bryan’s case, Brie got a bit of comeuppance on his behalf. But I agree, it was bad to have her bury so many guys with no payback. Even Vince got his ass kicked from time to time.
Early Stephanie did get come up as in a lot of it. Same with triple h. It wasn't until later in her TV career that she never got any revenge thrown back at her.
The beginning of the end of me being a WWF fan was "It was me all along, Austin!" However, although over-exposed, Vince was at least entertaining. I (dis)liked Shane even more, although that's partly because he was less overused than Vince. But once Wrestlemania was centred around Stephanie and (FFS) Linda, I started to lose interest, even when the WWF was so packed with talent. After that, I'd only follow it for either wrestlers I really liked (Kane, Benoit, Goldberg) or amazing talents (Lesnar, Guerrero, Jericho, Regal, Mysterio, Angle). I stopped following storylines and just skipped to the matches that I knew would have great in-ring action.
Call yourself a Mr know it all in wrestling terms it sounds but liking Goldberg and his body of work in wrestling tells me you don't have much really to say lol and mysterio you really do know your cheesy as FCK top talent right lol
I'd let them off having a Vince episode, he is actually one of wrestling's greatest villains but this is silly. Yeah she's hated but that's just her personality 🤣
She’s just been genuinely unbearable for her entire “career” the big one was when she went off backstage on dusty since she was no longer the center of attention in that promo
Know I genuinely hate her. She'll one day destroy the sport forever. She's a fraud. 40 years ago the thought of this idiot running the sport would have garnered joke of the year.
@@PlasticFoods__ No you missed the part where Iam aware of that, that doesn’t really justify her coming down with Stockholm Syndrome and helping someone who essentially drugged her and likely had his way with her after marrying her both without consent (though I don’t recall the potential rape thing ever being hinted at). Even dumber part of that is the person who truly got screwed over in that storyline wasn’t Vince but Test.
@@ahmeddemha6112 it was a ploy to get back at Vince and rather than have her heel some other stupid and silly way they set it up behind the scenes from the time triple h entered in the picture. Her vengeance storyline is justified as previously stated.
If you think so never mind the fact it made zero sense. And as you seemed to have forgotten she had already gotten her revenge even before that heel turn when she and Linda gave their shares in the company to Austin giving him control of the company.
My biggest gripe about Stephanie as a heel authority figure was that she almost never looked vulnerable. She never "got what was coming to her" . She emasculated the male talent and never looked weak. Only when Ronda Rousey was involved did she really take her lumps.
@MaybeNextYear MB. I would say in early 2000's she got humiliated and put in her place, but as soon as WWE went P.G , she was emaculating male wrestlers regularly,the problem was they couldn't put her back in place because WWE became PG...
Well, actually when Vickie Guerrero left WWE she and Steph had that thing on RAW where Vickie got tossed in a plastic kiddie pool full of mud, then Steph laughed at her so Vickie threw Stephanie in the pool of mud. It was Vickie's last night with WWE.
I think they wanted to go for "WWE mean nasty bad guys" but decided the name was too long. It's also kind of a weird stretch to even use the word "Evil", I mean Undertaker, Kane, Randy Orton, sure they can qualify, but how are The Miz and Sasha Banks evil? One is just a hollywood star wannabe and the other is a Cardi B ripoff who doesn't shut up about Eddie Guerrero.
It feels like Stephanie's and Triple H's legacy is using the WWE as propaganda to make it look like they matter. Do you think anyone has watched this Evil episode who wasn't going to review it? Does Stephanie have any actual fans that would want to seek this out?
Stephanie has got to be one of the most ineffective and failed heels in the history of pro wrestling. She failed at what a heel should do....get the face over. That's a heel's job. Shine up the face and make them more popular in the end. That never happened with Stephanie, especially in the 2010s. She always got the last laugh. That's what made Vince such a great heel. In the end, he always was the butt end of the joke, always got his ass kicked or plans ruined. He helped make stars more popular.
She'd legit just emasculate the faces and slap them then walk away and that was that. Steph is a hardcore feminazi so she probably believes women can hit men and men shouldn't hit them back.
Rousey and vicki. Thats like the only 2 times she let someone go over on her. But when you think about it, they wanted ronda to look great so they werent gonna bury her at 31 and when she debuted at 34. And vicki was leaving. You are right. Vince was an incredible heel, but he didnt mind getting beat up in a hospital or chased with a motorcycle and have the rock stuff his face in rikishi's ass.
@@thejanglezclan Getting a crowd reaction doesn't mean it was in any way good for the product. Robocop, David Arquette, and Vince Russo got crowd reactions.
@@thejanglezclan I never said she didn't. That's not a heel's most important job. Yeah heels should get the crowd to boo them and dislike them. But in the end, their job is get ultimately get the face over. Get their ass kicked, lose a match, get talked down to, get humiliated. She did not do that enough. She would always get the last word, last laugh. Why would anyone continue to get behind a face, if they can never get the job done? They keep losing or coming up short or not getting the best of a heel, why continue to care about that face? Why continue to invest in that face? They would just be a big failure, time and again. When a heel keeps going over, and never gets what's coming, what's the point in investing your time anymore?
What about the fact that (even tho most of us didn’t care for John Cena - John Cena drew big $$ and was about to be released until Stephanie heard him rap - so says John)? She’s definitely messed up enough over time but that’s a feather in her cap from a financial standpoint.
Thing is...I was only 13 or so, but Stephanie WAS well over as a heel for that brief time. She had an insane match with Vince .... Had the promo skills. So for that brief period she was one of the top baddies during the most popular time of WWE. Me and my little crew liked her anyway. Whereas a HHH match was a piss break opportunity for the most part.
I like this series but this episode was BS, they pretend Stephanie was like a great heel but in reality she was go away heat and the Authority story draged for years and years Jim is right part of the reason AEW find succes so quick is because a lot of fans had enough with The Authority story and wanted a real alternative
Literally every big chapter or turning point that they highlighted in Stephanie's career, had her moment directly attached to somebody else (usually her dad or Triple H). The whole show laid out how much of a side-villain she's been.
Disagree, Corny. Without Steph, there'd have been NO Trish Stratus. Period. Steph arguably helped get Kurt over. Steph arguably helped get Cena over. Steph arguably helped get HHH over. Steph arguably helped get Test over. The Billy & Chuck segment worked because of Steph being involved as a bounce-off with Bischoff.
I literally stopped watching bc of the authority angle. Like what Brian said Stephanie just berating every damn baby face got so boring and annoying that it was pointless to watch.
Who was helped by the WrestleMania 2000 main event? Or helped by the Higher Power Or by helped by the Shane-Vince feud? Or helped by Vince helping Austin at WrestleMania 17 leading into his heel turn? Or helped by Stephanie’s involvement in the Jericho-Triple H feud?
I’m one of the people that were ran off by the authority. I was still watching WWE since my childhood, but at one point it felt like every angle of every show was about the authority, and every promo was always the same 20 minutes talks. Restarted watching years later and became “smart”, but the show was never quite the same since the end of the ruthless aggression era.
I totally disagree with Jim saying she don’t grow up in the business when she literally grew up in the business😂. She’s been apart of company for nearly 25 years.
Was she a drawing heel. No. She wasn't a wrestler (aside from a few gimmick matches) but as an on air character you cannot deny that she was arguably more over as a heel than many of the talent (probably because Vinny Mac wanted to give his kid more screen time than an actual wrestler).
Stephanie, made it work! She did a little bit of different things. On air wise: Steph was as tough as nails. She got mocked by the fans terribly, but took it like a McMahon.
I don't think Triple H and Stephanie realize they were more of a detriment to the products. I stopped watching when Triple H wouldn't put anyone over. Started watching again a bit after then Stephanie was a big turn off.
Stephanie always sucked, vince was always willing to ge his ass beat when playing the villain but her daughter alwats wants to win even if it ruins the story and she gets boo out of the building, not because her work as heel but how much she sucks and doesnt want to play ball.
There was a lot of nonsense on Raw in 1999. Looking back, they were doing very well to get such good ratings because the product at times was dreadful. The whole Undertaker/Higher Power and the crucifixions etc was utter nonsense. The first half of '99 was great with the Rock v Mankind, Austin v McMahon and Austin v Rock feuds, the second half was poor. They went way over the top.
They gave Steph the title because she wanted something to carry when she walked Triple H to the ring. She was supposed to wrestle Jacqueline for the title but before the match DX tripped her up and left her laying, so Stephanie pinned Jacqueline for the title. She never once defended it.
The billion dollar princess had the heat generating ability of Vince plus willing to get beat down(especially verbally) if necessary for the story. I believe Sonya DeVille is the spiritual successor to what authority Stephanie has been. WWE Evil series has been good.
You are out of your fcking mind 1. People wanted to see vince get his qss kicked people wanted steph to go away 2. Steph wasn't willing to take qn ass kicking thats why she had those years of constantly embarrassing talent and no one ever got to pay her back 3. Sonya deville is trash....
@@thejanglezclan Cause everybody HATES Lita, Miss Elizabeth, Trish Stratus, Beth Pheonix, Mae Young etc. right? Really grasping at straws to pull a victim card there.
just a friendly reminder - Stephanie has 4 (5?) kids, Shane has 5 kids, there will be another generation of McMahons in WWE, so don't get your hopes up
@@sharonjo7630 yeah, you maybe right about the numbers, i think the McMahon kids are like clones, they are mass produced, they got thousands of them, probably. but still, the point stands, there will be another generation of annoying McMahons
People changed the channel so she wasn't a "good" heel. It wasn't having an amazinf heel personality, she just isn't a likeable person. Bin Laden would get heat too but it's not because he was a good heel personality.
Stephanie was awful She knee capped women too For some reason sasha banks was stripped of a title Stephanie took the belt then mad dogged her out of the ring while poor sasha had to act like she didnt care
With Stephanie tho it always go away heat. Her voice was like nails on a chalk board and her just dressing down wrestlers with no comeback from them in terms of story was shitty to watch. That authority era of raw.. Woof
She's great on air as a nasty vicious character, but I cannot take a single thing she says outside of it seriously. She seems like she's little more than Vince's mouthpiece, and she'll swear the moon is made of cheese whilst standing in front of a moon rock, two days after the world discovers dairy is lethal, and still believe she did a great job for daddy. That lady is utterly unrelateable these days, and it sounds like the episode was another swing and a miss at trying to sound part of the business. I'd feel kinda sorry for her if she wasn't so loaded for life.
Yeah, Stephanie got her spot because she is a McMahon. That being said, she was fucking great back in the day. She managed to be one of the top heels in the company without being a trained wrestler, let alone wrestling on a regular basis. That is a hell of an accomplishment that you can't take away from her, even if she is the boss' daughter. I've been watching some old Attitude Era clips lately, and her segments were some of the best. She was a great heel.
The McMahon are not any worse than many wrestling promoters and owners and when you consider the ratings money and impact of some of their story lines I'd argue they deserve the hype they receive
He'll never let it go that Russo replaced him on the creative team and the show was never better during that time. Still makes Cornette mad to this day.
Steph was better than 90% of so called heels today. Heels today are letting the crowd play sing along with their theme and catchphrases. Just my two cents....
Funny that Jim would ask if Kroger hates their employees. I spent a summer working for a member of the Kroger family and I definitely felt like that Kroger hated their employees.
9:20 Jim talks about Russo leaving without notice in 99. This is understandable since it's unprofessional. ... That being said I find this funny because it's the standard practice in 2022 🤣🤣
Yeah I don't dislike Stephanie but your spot on with the critique of the Authority. Like their problem was that they never got it handed to them. They abused and abused and abused and nothing. It would have been great if they got some payback!
I would watch for a couple of weeks after one of the OVW guys got called up until I got pissed at the way they were being used and started cussing and breaking shit. lmfao
Honestly I don't see the issue. Stephanie has a short career as a wrestler, but she's been around both as a character and a presence in the company for longer than just about any wrestler. Personally I think she fulfilled an important role as the only slightly less sexualized female character on the show compared to the divas.
Shane is boring and cannot play a heel to save his life. The only thing which makes him entertaining is him jumping off of shit. Other than that, he's useless.
Interesting this came up, since I just realized recently that Corny was on commentary for the Ministry’s wedding with Steph. I was wondering what Jim actually thought of this. Don’t like Steph at all, but she had a run. Maybe you can say that Steph wouldn’t have gotten the reactions she got if she wasn’t Vince’s daughter, but you could say Vince wouldn’t have gotten his reactions if he wasn’t the owner, and I don’t think anyone would take away from his performances. I have issues with how she’s been used, and her lack of putting people over, but as a pure performer I can’t knock her.
@@trahapace150 Low bar, but still 15 to 20 years with a major on screen role in WWE is nothing to sneeze at. Her run in 2000 alone shows her ability as a heel, and she’s evolved as a performer to the point where a feud with Brie Bella of all people was one of the better programs WWE did circa 2014. Lots of valid criticisms you could toss at her, but she’s an effective performer.
To Stephanie’s credit. She is no doubt one of the biggest heels ever produced by the company. It just doesnt sound right on paper because she is really only comparable to her dad (who just so happens to be the best one) but then theres guys like jake the snake, rick rude, iron sheik, & the rock. And then you look at the list again like “um why the hell is she on here again???” But stephanie does deserve her spot in WWE history and even maybe a slight nod in wrestling history for her contributions to wwe. Her gimmick turned reality was playing the bitchy bosses daughter that slept with the boys and got anything she wanted, and thats litterally what ended up happening
I know that for a guy like Brian who probably started watching wrestling in the 80's, 2013 means shit. But for a guy like me, who started watching it weekly in 2011, The Authority period was really a golden time. Not because of Steph, obviously, but still a really good period compared to these days. 🤷🏻♂️
I know the Authority storyline was the beginning of the end for me. Just seeing Stephanie bury everybody she came across just because she could made me just not want to watch anymore. Then they have the big match at Survivor Series to get rid of the Authority, only for them to come back a little over a month later. I had almost given up on the product because it appeared that things were never going to improve. I would keep up to date and watch from time to time like when they started the "Womens' Revolution", AJ Styles joining the company and the Bray Wyatt/Firefly Funhouse. But when the pandemic struck in 2020 and they had to film shows out of the Performance Center, that's when I finally decided to check out. I DVR shows now and then just to keep up to date on what's going on, but I fast forward through them practically every time. I had been a wrestling fan (mainly WWE, but still watched WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH, etc.) for 30 years, but now I just don't care about WWE anymore.
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I give Stephanie some credit, she got called some foul names by fans, and unlike Rhonda Rousey never cried about it.
She got verbally destroyed by Chris Jericho multiple times and I’m like Vince okayed this 🤣🤣
@Kas58823 Right?! That always tripped me out.
@@wilcee238 then at one point the Rock and Chris Jericho verbally did I’m like what
She never cried about it on social media. Her ego is too big for her not to have cried about it in general!🤣
She didn't have to.. people who crossed her got punished which is even weaker than complaining.. But kiss that ass bro
Jim actually was on commentary for the black wedding with Stephanie and the Undertaker on Raw in 99
he probably wants to block that memory
Did hate the ministry of darkness angle in general or the fact she was involved?
Stephanie is okay as an on air personality. But making her the head of creative for Smackdown straight out of college is hands down the most bone headed decision Vince ever made.
Indeed this is no different than a CEO letting thier unproven or inexperienced relative or loved one in a high ranking position. Typical nepotism hire.
@Dave And we can all agree that Tony Khan being the booker for AEW is a bad idea. At first I thought Tony would run the business side of things and appoint someone else to book the show.
The problem with Stephanie is she virtually never gets her comeuppance. She completely buries talent with no recourse, and if the talent dares to read the room and try to get the crowd going, she immediately cries foul and buries them backstage. Vince, at least, knew his job was to put over the babyface. Stephanie virtually never does that.
@@MrSniperfox29 Unless you count Dusty Rhodes putting his hand in front of her face
@@BeyondDaX And he was completely buried for it backstage for upstaging Stephanie.
Stephanie (During the Authority Era) was the epitome of a villain that never really got their comeuppance by the heroes. She constantly belittled and undermined them and got away scot free. That's my main issue with her as a "heel figure".
someone thought she was a bigger presence than she really was.
@@takerdust Wasn't me. I kinda lost interest in wrestling at that time. I didn't get back overly interested in the WWE until the draft/Summerslam in 2016.
The Authority was the worst, specifically because they never got their comeuppence. They were booked to always win. The Shield takes out Evolution, next night Rollins turns on his brothers and joins the Authority. Cena's team wins Survivor Series and The Authority has to disband. Then Edge is taken hostage by Rollins, and Cena (the only person allowed to ) re-instates them. And the opening promos...ughhhhh...those opening promos.
I thought she got her comeuppance when she tapped out to Ronda Rousey years back.
Except with Stone Cold
I love how Cornette and Russo are both united along with the fans in that Stephanie in charge of creative or a position of power was one of the worst mistakes in WWE history
OMG it's a miracle!!! Or maybe Miracle Whip
Don't ya mean Cornette and Shit Stain? LOL
@Ultra Instinct 94 Russo hates Omegas guts too, I’m shocked Jim hasn’t given him any credit
If we’re being fair she’s no worse than Vince has been since he oversees the bulk of creative and supersedes Stephanie.
@@ahmeddemha6112 okay, but we all know that he definitely doesn't directly choose who actually writes his show otherwise we wouldn't have gotten that Kenice Mobley chick who didn't even know Bobby Lashley's name. 🤣 That was definitely a stephanie mcmahon hire.
Stephanie McMahon looks good in a silk robe, & there's video to prove it. Just throwing that out there.
*used to look good in a silk robe
You could tell she had some plastic surgeries but the end result- she was hot.
@@propaneK1982 She still looks good in one.
@@greg5698 Ehhh...to each their own. Maybe in 2002; idk about 2022...
@@propaneK1982 depends if you're over 22 yrs old or not 🤷♂️
I don’t think Stephanie really means Andre was her best friend. I think it’s just something she said because she said it when she was a kid & any interaction they had meant something to her.
Nah
You legit believe that ? Lol
That's too intelligent for a RUclips comments section... No. We have to all pretend Stephanie seriously thinks Andre The Giant was her literal best friend.
Right, I think it's innocent childhood nostalgia. Imagine seeing someone that large as a small child? That person would absolutely be your buddy.
There are actually photos of them together and I do have to imagine spending time with Andre would make a big impression on any kid.
"She needs to be the Head of creative as I need to be the Head of the Nasa space shuttle program" - Jim Cornette
He means the fake space program bcs space is Santa Claus for adults
@@Kingmaker33 I can't I don't have a degree in CGI nonsense
She showed up in San Antonio, back in the day, with her first showing of the new twins. I was there. A site to behold.
The Billion Dollar Puppies
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@@troublesomewestsideoutlaw5754 LOL!
And I'm sure Vince got first taste.
@@donwilcox728 What?!?! Are you okay?
I never knew I needed to see jim as a cheerleader but here we are
And does that say ho on his sweater?
It’s actually Katie Vicks outfit
You and me both Fella .,….. 💀
She was a smokeshow back in the day omg
Wtf is a smoke show
@@StarlightEater she was hot back in the day
Hot as hell
Her
Trish Stratus
Sonny
Lol, yall are easy to please I'll give ya that 😂
Bro, 2001 Steph was on a whole other level
I'm glad Jim spoke on why AEW got so popular and called out that garbage that was the authority nonsense.
*AEW got so popular because people like the product. Anti-AEW smarks are one of the worst demographics in wrestling.*
@@MattSingh1 and you gatekeepers crying about others opinions are right behind them stagnating the company
@@MattSingh1 aew product was good ???ok aew smark
@@MattSingh1 I'm not pro AEW or pro WWE, but there's no denial on the fact that WWE's mishandling of their product in the mid 2010's led to AEW's rise. All AEW has to do is stay in their lane and grow. They'll be fine.
@@wiseass2149 AEW is already dead in the water, it's a joke. It's not making it past this year, on TNT anyway.
Stephanie has the kind of heat that makes one want to change the channel and get the fuck off my television screen, not I want to see this heel get their comeuppance
@Yūgen what the fuck are you talking about
People really need to stop using this blind defense as a way to just discard heels they don't "like"
That's that go away heat hahahah
Got to admit, WWE Evil really stretched the hell out of the subject for this episode.
"Our billion-dollar princess sure has grown over the last year..."
I could listen to Jim summarise from 14:00 minutes on over and over. It is the perfect description of what occurred. AEW fans didn't suddenly appear out of thin air. They were WWE fans sick of a company they'd been loyal to, serving up shit and telling them to eat it as there's nothing else to eat.
Basically, that's what happened. Only thing is that AEW isn't as strong in the rating. They need to stream on HBO max or something.
Or WCW fans that still haven't gotten a viable alternative.
Were these WWE fans brain dead or something? I mean, if you don't like something, stop supporting it...
Or is holding yourself hostage the "in thing" as a pro wrestling fan?
If this was 20 years ago okay. Now? Bullshit. Aew started bc fans keep following The Elite from promotion to promotion, and they kept watching WWE, and for the last ten years did nothing but bitch and moan and KEEP WATCHING, and ruin the product for others with their incessant crying.
@@matthewrock4725 There were no fans of the "elite" it was like 20 people.
3:33. I do believe Randy was calling Steph over to be on his knee. Ha.
Stephanie in 2000/2001as part of the McMahon-Helmsley era was a great heel persona. She was good at what she did, but she's nowhere close to one of the greatest heels of all the time.
So for like a year she was an okay heel? And like where's Bobby Heenan and Rowdy Roddy Piper on that list? I'm a huge fan of Savage's heel turn myself. That was gloriously real.
Wwe missed a lot of opportunities on certain wrestlers to pick for this “evil” series, Mr. McMahon, Gorgeous George, Triple H, Roddy Piper, Hollywood Rock, fuck it even Jim Cornette, this man used to get people beating on him and if they were far away, shoot water guns full of Draino at him
Hoping for another season
The Ruthless Aggression series by WWE has a really good episode about Hollywood Rock.
The Authority was on tv so much because USA likes the McMahons to be on tv because they’re good for ratings. & in Bryan’s case, Brie got a bit of comeuppance on his behalf. But I agree, it was bad to have her bury so many guys with no payback. Even Vince got his ass kicked from time to time.
HHH and Stephanie were Mary-sue villains and they were terrible.
wrong
Early Stephanie did get come up as in a lot of it. Same with triple h. It wasn't until later in her TV career that she never got any revenge thrown back at her.
The beginning of the end of me being a WWF fan was "It was me all along, Austin!"
However, although over-exposed, Vince was at least entertaining. I (dis)liked Shane even more, although that's partly because he was less overused than Vince. But once Wrestlemania was centred around Stephanie and (FFS) Linda, I started to lose interest, even when the WWF was so packed with talent.
After that, I'd only follow it for either wrestlers I really liked (Kane, Benoit, Goldberg) or amazing talents (Lesnar, Guerrero, Jericho, Regal, Mysterio, Angle). I stopped following storylines and just skipped to the matches that I knew would have great in-ring action.
Call yourself a Mr know it all in wrestling terms it sounds but liking Goldberg and his body of work in wrestling tells me you don't have much really to say lol and mysterio you really do know your cheesy as FCK top talent right lol
Thanks for that detailed account of your fandom
Small market baseball team owners still hate their fans more than the Mcmahons hate theirs
I'd let them off having a Vince episode, he is actually one of wrestling's greatest villains but this is silly. Yeah she's hated but that's just her personality 🤣
She’s just been genuinely unbearable for her entire “career” the big one was when she went off backstage on dusty since she was no longer the center of attention in that promo
Know I genuinely hate her. She'll one day destroy the sport forever. She's a fraud. 40 years ago the thought of this idiot running the sport would have garnered joke of the year.
Stephanie had the most justified first heel turn I’ve ever seen in wwf.
She was essentially given a roofie and married to someone against her will what was justified about it?
@@ahmeddemha6112 you’re missing before that. Vince had her kidnapped and almost married off to the undertaker just to screw with stone cold lmao
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No you missed the part where Iam aware of that, that doesn’t really justify her coming down with Stockholm Syndrome and helping someone who essentially drugged her and likely had his way with her after marrying her both without consent (though I don’t recall the potential rape thing ever being hinted at).
Even dumber part of that is the person who truly got screwed over in that storyline wasn’t Vince but Test.
@@ahmeddemha6112 it was a ploy to get back at Vince and rather than have her heel some other stupid and silly way they set it up behind the scenes from the time triple h entered in the picture. Her vengeance storyline is justified as previously stated.
If you think so never mind the fact it made zero sense. And as you seemed to have forgotten she had already gotten her revenge even before that heel turn when she and Linda gave their shares in the company to Austin giving him control of the company.
It felt more like Vince McMahon evil. Not Stephanie.
My biggest gripe about Stephanie as a heel authority figure was that she almost never looked vulnerable. She never "got what was coming to her" . She emasculated the male talent and never looked weak. Only when Ronda Rousey was involved did she really take her lumps.
@MaybeNextYear MB. I would say in early 2000's she got humiliated and put in her place, but as soon as WWE went P.G , she was emaculating male wrestlers regularly,the problem was they couldn't put her back in place because WWE became PG...
Well, actually when Vickie Guerrero left WWE she and Steph had that thing on RAW where Vickie got tossed in a plastic kiddie pool full of mud, then Steph laughed at her so Vickie threw Stephanie in the pool of mud. It was Vickie's last night with WWE.
"WWE EVIL" is honestly the laziest and most annoying title I've ever heard.
How did they not go with "WWEvil"? It's bad, but it's an obvious choice.
I think they wanted to go for "WWE mean nasty bad guys" but decided the name was too long. It's also kind of a weird stretch to even use the word "Evil", I mean Undertaker, Kane, Randy Orton, sure they can qualify, but how are The Miz and Sasha Banks evil? One is just a hollywood star wannabe and the other is a Cardi B ripoff who doesn't shut up about Eddie Guerrero.
They addressed her cosmetic work in an angle with Chris jericho.
Fans were run off because having Stephanie and the McMahons on TV for 20 years sucks.
It feels like Stephanie's and Triple H's legacy is using the WWE as propaganda to make it look like they matter. Do you think anyone has watched this Evil episode who wasn't going to review it? Does Stephanie have any actual fans that would want to seek this out?
Stephanie has got to be one of the most ineffective and failed heels in the history of pro wrestling. She failed at what a heel should do....get the face over. That's a heel's job. Shine up the face and make them more popular in the end. That never happened with Stephanie, especially in the 2010s. She always got the last laugh. That's what made Vince such a great heel. In the end, he always was the butt end of the joke, always got his ass kicked or plans ruined. He helped make stars more popular.
She'd legit just emasculate the faces and slap them then walk away and that was that. Steph is a hardcore feminazi so she probably believes women can hit men and men shouldn't hit them back.
Rousey and vicki. Thats like the only 2 times she let someone go over on her. But when you think about it, they wanted ronda to look great so they werent gonna bury her at 31 and when she debuted at 34. And vicki was leaving. You are right. Vince was an incredible heel, but he didnt mind getting beat up in a hospital or chased with a motorcycle and have the rock stuff his face in rikishi's ass.
No. She always got a crowd reaction.
@@thejanglezclan Getting a crowd reaction doesn't mean it was in any way good for the product. Robocop, David Arquette, and Vince Russo got crowd reactions.
@@thejanglezclan I never said she didn't. That's not a heel's most important job. Yeah heels should get the crowd to boo them and dislike them. But in the end, their job is get ultimately get the face over. Get their ass kicked, lose a match, get talked down to, get humiliated. She did not do that enough. She would always get the last word, last laugh. Why would anyone continue to get behind a face, if they can never get the job done? They keep losing or coming up short or not getting the best of a heel, why continue to care about that face? Why continue to invest in that face? They would just be a big failure, time and again. When a heel keeps going over, and never gets what's coming, what's the point in investing your time anymore?
🤴look JR, puppies!! Loved the 🧙 y2j calling her a trash bag ho!😂😂😂
Steph took over Creative in November 2000, the clear beginning of the end.
Cool picture of Phil Incelmo.
The answer to your question Jim is the New York Knicks. That's the organization.
What about the fact that (even tho most of us didn’t care for John Cena - John Cena drew big $$ and was about to be released until Stephanie heard him rap - so says John)? She’s definitely messed up enough over time but that’s a feather in her cap from a financial standpoint.
Agreed Bro 💯
It is hilarious that Jim never even accidentally calls Shitstain by his real name.
6:02 did anyone else caught Jim claiming Steph was “Cosbyed” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best part lmao
Thing is...I was only 13 or so, but Stephanie WAS well over as a heel for that brief time. She had an insane match with Vince .... Had the promo skills. So for that brief period she was one of the top baddies during the most popular time of WWE.
Me and my little crew liked her anyway. Whereas a HHH match was a piss break opportunity for the most part.
3:29 - "The boys weren't calling her over to their knees in the locker room...."
Randy Savage did...
...allegedly
Ohhhhh yeahhhhhh he snapped into her slim Jim
That rumor, true or not, was why Savage was never going to work for Vince again.
I like this series but this episode was BS, they pretend Stephanie was like a great heel but in reality she was go away heat and the Authority story draged for years and years
Jim is right part of the reason AEW find succes so quick is because a lot of fans had enough with The Authority story and wanted a real alternative
Up next:
WWE Evil: Michael Cole
I agree with everything Jim is saying 💯
Has Jim forgot he commentated on the Steph and undertaker wedding?
LOL! "Cosby-ed in the front seat" Corny sure can turn a phrase.
When the WWE turned into the HHH/Stephanie show is when I tuned out. I missed the entire Invasion because I was done...
Literally every big chapter or turning point that they highlighted in Stephanie's career, had her moment directly attached to somebody else (usually her dad or Triple H). The whole show laid out how much of a side-villain she's been.
Jericho, Angle,
Disagree, Corny.
Without Steph, there'd have been NO Trish Stratus. Period.
Steph arguably helped get Kurt over.
Steph arguably helped get Cena over.
Steph arguably helped get HHH over.
Steph arguably helped get Test over.
The Billy & Chuck segment worked because of Steph being involved as a bounce-off with Bischoff.
I literally stopped watching bc of the authority angle. Like what Brian said Stephanie just berating every damn baby face got so boring and annoying that it was pointless to watch.
What are your thoughts on NWA Power? It has more of an old school feel and format.
lol omg i lost it at cosbyed in the front seat lol
So did they have segment with the Macho Man?
I agree with Brian, the Mcmahon authority ruined it but in the attitude era it was different and helped wrestlers
It helped main event talent. Still screwed most other people aside from “business is good”
Who was helped by the WrestleMania 2000 main event?
Or helped by the Higher Power
Or by helped by the Shane-Vince feud?
Or helped by Vince helping Austin at WrestleMania 17 leading into his heel turn?
Or helped by Stephanie’s involvement in the Jericho-Triple H feud?
She was a good foil for jericho
I’m one of the people that were ran off by the authority. I was still watching WWE since my childhood, but at one point it felt like every angle of every show was about the authority, and every promo was always the same 20 minutes talks.
Restarted watching years later and became “smart”, but the show was never quite the same since the end of the ruthless aggression era.
I totally disagree with Jim saying she don’t grow up in the business when she literally grew up in the business😂. She’s been apart of company for nearly 25 years.
Think he means the real wrestling business, not WWE which is basically Disney in a ring.
I really enjoyed Stephanie's feud with Brie Bella and the match they had at that year's SummerSlam, with the Nicky Bella heel turn!
I think about "I wish you died in the WOMB." way more than any sane person should. It was better than it had any right to be.
The Undertaker Stephanie angle started at Backlash 99. So what is that April or May...
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
People giving Stephanie credit for taking namecalling are marks. She just booked herself to bury babyfaces.
Was she a drawing heel. No. She wasn't a wrestler (aside from a few gimmick matches) but as an on air character you cannot deny that she was arguably more over as a heel than many of the talent (probably because Vinny Mac wanted to give his kid more screen time than an actual wrestler).
She was "over as a heel" in that people would change the channel to not watch her. She was an anti-draw.
If you aren't drawing as a heel, you aren't doing your job.
Are there any good documentaries on some of the old school heels like Wild Bill Longson, Buddy Rogers, Fritz Von Erich, Killer Kowalski?
We can only wish
Only two people to hit back at her were the rock & Jericho
The Jericho calling out of her boob job was hysterical, surprised Jim and Brian didn't know about her "alterations"
Stephanie, made it work! She did a little bit of different things. On air wise: Steph was as tough as nails. She got mocked by the fans terribly, but took it like a McMahon.
I don't think Triple H and Stephanie realize they were more of a detriment to the products. I stopped watching when Triple H wouldn't put anyone over.
Started watching again a bit after then Stephanie was a big turn off.
I heard it was actually Corny’s idea to put Stephanie on t.v., but it did come from Brother Bruce so who knows if it’s true or not.
If it came from Brother Bruce, it ain't true !
@@fightsports66 Exactly 👍
Stephanie always sucked, vince was always willing to ge his ass beat when playing the villain but her daughter alwats wants to win even if it ruins the story and she gets boo out of the building, not because her work as heel but how much she sucks and doesnt want to play ball.
There was a lot of nonsense on Raw in 1999. Looking back, they were doing very well to get such good ratings because the product at times was dreadful. The whole Undertaker/Higher Power and the crucifixions etc was utter nonsense. The first half of '99 was great with the Rock v Mankind, Austin v McMahon and Austin v Rock feuds, the second half was poor. They went way over the top.
She was the woman's champion back in the mcmahon helmsley era I remember her and hhh going to the rig as champions
Funny typo …. Pretty sure she was on roids at one point
They gave Steph the title because she wanted something to carry when she walked Triple H to the ring. She was supposed to wrestle Jacqueline for the title but before the match DX tripped her up and left her laying, so Stephanie pinned Jacqueline for the title. She never once defended it.
Lmmfao "...she was Cosbied in the front seat!"
The billion dollar princess had the heat generating ability of Vince plus willing to get beat down(especially verbally) if necessary for the story. I believe Sonya DeVille is the spiritual successor to what authority Stephanie has been. WWE Evil series has been good.
You are out of your fcking mind 1. People wanted to see vince get his qss kicked people wanted steph to go away
2. Steph wasn't willing to take qn ass kicking thats why she had those years of constantly embarrassing talent and no one ever got to pay her back
3. Sonya deville is trash....
I'm slowly starting to realize that Stephanie simply being a female might be part of the reason why people don't like her. Who woulda thunk it??
@@thejanglezclan Cause everybody HATES Lita, Miss Elizabeth, Trish Stratus, Beth Pheonix, Mae Young etc. right? Really grasping at straws to pull a victim card there.
@@thejanglezclan Incorrect, Luna and Sherri were amazing heels. Stephanie? Not so much.
just a friendly reminder - Stephanie has 4 (5?) kids, Shane has 5 kids, there will be another generation of McMahons in WWE, so don't get your hopes up
They each have 3 kids. What's crazy is that Stephanie had all girls and Shane had all boys.
@@sharonjo7630 yeah, you maybe right about the numbers, i think the McMahon kids are like clones, they are mass produced, they got thousands of them, probably. but still, the point stands, there will be another generation of annoying McMahons
@@sharonjo7630 The McMahons mainly reproduce via human cloning.
By the time those kids get out of college WWE will be just another tab on Disney+.
Doesn't mean anything. He could quite possibly pull a Vince Sr. And sell it off, but to someone else. I would guess some media company personally.
I admit I was one of the ones that changed the channel whenever Stephanie was on tv but with that being said she was an amazing heel personality
Not if people changed the channel to avoid her...
Yeah but she pushed it too far into go away heat especially with her never getting shown up.
People changed the channel so she wasn't a "good" heel. It wasn't having an amazinf heel personality, she just isn't a likeable person. Bin Laden would get heat too but it's not because he was a good heel personality.
She made me tune in on the contrary.
Stephanie was awful
She knee capped women too
For some reason sasha banks was stripped of a title
Stephanie took the belt then mad dogged her out of the ring while poor sasha had to act like she didnt care
Don't worry dear, it's all scripted.
Stephanie was a brilliant heel
No. She was just an average heel. Adequate, but never superlative in any way.
In the thumbnail does Jim's shirt say "Ho"? A dig at Stephanie?🤔
With Stephanie tho it always go away heat. Her voice was like nails on a chalk board and her just dressing down wrestlers with no comeback from them in terms of story was shitty to watch. That authority era of raw.. Woof
I thought Stephanie didn't become head of creative until 2003 or 2004...
2000.
She's great on air as a nasty vicious character, but I cannot take a single thing she says outside of it seriously. She seems like she's little more than Vince's mouthpiece, and she'll swear the moon is made of cheese whilst standing in front of a moon rock, two days after the world discovers dairy is lethal, and still believe she did a great job for daddy. That lady is utterly unrelateable these days, and it sounds like the episode was another swing and a miss at trying to sound part of the business.
I'd feel kinda sorry for her if she wasn't so loaded for life.
Only a matter of time before one of the grandchildren are on TV being evil etc. Ugh!!
Yeah, Stephanie got her spot because she is a McMahon. That being said, she was fucking great back in the day. She managed to be one of the top heels in the company without being a trained wrestler, let alone wrestling on a regular basis. That is a hell of an accomplishment that you can't take away from her, even if she is the boss' daughter. I've been watching some old Attitude Era clips lately, and her segments were some of the best. She was a great heel.
After that rising legs and ass shot opening of Smackdown in 03', I haven't been able to make a negative comment about Stephanie. My apologies.
The McMahon are not any worse than many wrestling promoters and owners and when you consider the ratings money and impact of some of their story lines I'd argue they deserve the hype they receive
Jim comes off very bitter about wwe
He'll never let it go that Russo replaced him on the creative team and the show was never better during that time. Still makes Cornette mad to this day.
While she was Cosbyd in the front seat. LOLOL
Jim Cornette best described Stephanie McMahon career....a minute career
Steph was better than 90% of so called heels today. Heels today are letting the crowd play sing along with their theme and catchphrases. Just my two cents....
Funny that Jim would ask if Kroger hates their employees. I spent a summer working for a member of the Kroger family and I definitely felt like that Kroger hated their employees.
Whole Foods liked their employees until they decided to sell to Jeff Bezos.
9:20 Jim talks about Russo leaving without notice in 99. This is understandable since it's unprofessional.
... That being said I find this funny because it's the standard practice in 2022 🤣🤣
They can fire you anytime they want. But if you leave without fulfilling your contractual obligations, you're unprofessional. 😂
Overall, it was a good series. But you're taking it too seriously; I mean, they had Denise Salcedo on it for crying out loud.
I was wondering if we were going to see any old pictures of her and macho man?
Yeah I don't dislike Stephanie but your spot on with the critique of the Authority. Like their problem was that they never got it handed to them. They abused and abused and abused and nothing. It would have been great if they got some payback!
I would watch for a couple of weeks after one of the OVW guys got called up until I got pissed at the way they were being used and started cussing and breaking shit. lmfao
Honestly I don't see the issue. Stephanie has a short career as a wrestler, but she's been around both as a character and a presence in the company for longer than just about any wrestler.
Personally I think she fulfilled an important role as the only slightly less sexualized female character on the show compared to the divas.
I think Shane is a good worker, not great, but he is good and I love to watch him. Idk why Jim is a huge critic
Other than jump off of things, what does Shane do well?
Shane is boring and cannot play a heel to save his life. The only thing which makes him entertaining is him jumping off of shit. Other than that, he's useless.
Interesting this came up, since I just realized recently that Corny was on commentary for the Ministry’s wedding with Steph. I was wondering what Jim actually thought of this.
Don’t like Steph at all, but she had a run. Maybe you can say that Steph wouldn’t have gotten the reactions she got if she wasn’t Vince’s daughter, but you could say Vince wouldn’t have gotten his reactions if he wasn’t the owner, and I don’t think anyone would take away from his performances. I have issues with how she’s been used, and her lack of putting people over, but as a pure performer I can’t knock her.
What the fck has she done to label her a performer.....seriously
@@trahapace150 Low bar, but still 15 to 20 years with a major on screen role in WWE is nothing to sneeze at. Her run in 2000 alone shows her ability as a heel, and she’s evolved as a performer to the point where a feud with Brie Bella of all people was one of the better programs WWE did circa 2014. Lots of valid criticisms you could toss at her, but she’s an effective performer.
To Stephanie’s credit. She is no doubt one of the biggest heels ever produced by the company. It just doesnt sound right on paper because she is really only comparable to her dad (who just so happens to be the best one) but then theres guys like jake the snake, rick rude, iron sheik, & the rock. And then you look at the list again like “um why the hell is she on here again???” But stephanie does deserve her spot in WWE history and even maybe a slight nod in wrestling history for her contributions to wwe. Her gimmick turned reality was playing the bitchy bosses daughter that slept with the boys and got anything she wanted, and thats litterally what ended up happening
I know that for a guy like Brian who probably started watching wrestling in the 80's, 2013 means shit. But for a guy like me, who started watching it weekly in 2011, The Authority period was really a golden time. Not because of Steph, obviously, but still a really good period compared to these days. 🤷🏻♂️
I know the Authority storyline was the beginning of the end for me. Just seeing Stephanie bury everybody she came across just because she could made me just not want to watch anymore. Then they have the big match at Survivor Series to get rid of the Authority, only for them to come back a little over a month later. I had almost given up on the product because it appeared that things were never going to improve. I would keep up to date and watch from time to time like when they started the "Womens' Revolution", AJ Styles joining the company and the Bray Wyatt/Firefly Funhouse. But when the pandemic struck in 2020 and they had to film shows out of the Performance Center, that's when I finally decided to check out. I DVR shows now and then just to keep up to date on what's going on, but I fast forward through them practically every time. I had been a wrestling fan (mainly WWE, but still watched WCW, ECW, TNA, ROH, etc.) for 30 years, but now I just don't care about WWE anymore.
You're not meant to, it's for teenagers.
Let's not forget there's only room for one dominant female.
Stephanie McMahon is a spectacular heel, I always loved her work.
No, she isn't.
@@poindexterflex3528 so she's a better face??? C'mon man
@@devinhines1318 WHAT?