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I think Brett Venables would be the only possibility that would make me happier about this decision. And NO i have nothing that would tell me this would happen except hopefully he would want a head coaching job finally.
As an Auburn graduate, I'm not convinced that this was the right move. Who else in the college coaching ranks has 3 wins against Nick Saban and Alabama in the last eight years? This may very well blow up in their face and things may now get worse before they get better.
With jobs opening all over the country they wanted to get a lead on coaches. They don't want to be looking after Texax fires Tom Herman. Or if LSU fires O next year. Arizona is open, and soon more will be.
Big let down for the people who hate auburn is what it is. Auburn can find a coach out there can do just as good or even better and also can recruit better. The people who are saying this haven’t seen our awful recruiting class this year. It was time the relationship ran its course.
His inconsistencies are why he was fired. Gus beat UA three times, and for 2/3 of those seemed to always catch them when there were key injuries on the 'Bama defense. Not saying his teams didn't deserve to win, but his only time beating a healthy Crimson Tide team was in 2013.
Because those miracles only happen in Jordan Hare. They want Bama beat every year, it's all Auburn lives for. I love Auburn fans, they're laid back and easy to get along with, but the entire season is about beating Bama. Dont try to shit me on that I'm a Bama fan and live around Aubs and been all over the state. Look at the length of rope they give coaches that beat Bama vs the ones that don't.
@@genocidereaper1 I'm well aware. I've been told by friends (AU fans) that "Bammer tears" are better than winning a championship. They call 3 point wins "beat downs" and have to come up with names for every Iron Bowl that they win. People can never understand unless they're from 'Bama and lived this rivalry.
@@genocidereaper1 you sound like an imbecile speaking for the whole fan base. Everytime Gus beat Bama he'd drop a bowl game so you're definitely wrong!!!!!
Malzahn beat Bama 3 times so maybe that is more often than other teams. But if Auburn's idea of a great season is beating Bama, 3 wins out of 8 is not a good record for Malzahn.
@Island Dreaming92 who in their right mind believes you can recruit enough at Michigan to be competitive? Are players dying to play up North these days? Aside from Ohio St I don't think anyone in the big is much of a threat to anyone and even Ohio state has been destroyed in the playoffs.
@Island Dreaming92 being realistic not being a homer, I'm a Bama fan. You show me some way Michigan can attract enough talent to compete Harbaugh has tried everything, trips to Europe, satellite camps in the south. They're going to have to get in bidding war with everyone else and I don't think even if they matched the money they can, because location hurts them.
Whomever they hire is coming into one of, if not the toughest jobs in the country. Your biggest rival has won 5 national titles in 11 years and are on the cusp of their 6th in 12 years. No matter what you do you're always going to be compared to Alabama. Is it fair? No. But it's the truth. It's a lot of pressure. So whomever they hire has their work cut out for them.
Let the coaching carousel begin! No reputable coach is going to accept a position at Auburn. Maybe when Saban leaves, but that isn't happening anytime soon.
@@PatriotPlus179 Saban is going to coach for at least another 5 years if not more. I think the best Auburn can do is to find someone who can get you 9 wins a season. An occasional upset over Alabama and Georgia. But you still need to go through LSU and A&M. It's a tall task.
@@jayaustin5316 True, but that's literally what Malzahn was and they let him go. I'm not sure who they think they're gonna get as a replacement, but unless you get like Urban Meyer to somehow magically agree to come coach Auburn, I think they're about to take a major step back for the next few years.
@@Jacob-ec6st Personally I think it was a mistake to fire him right now. Especially with early signing period right around the corner. It's definitely going to have a negative impact on recruiting. I know everyone is going crazy over Hugh Freeze but he only went 39-25 at Ole Miss. Sure he beat Saban twice but what did he have to show for it? He never won the west. So I'm not sold that he's the upgrade they're looking for. Just my opinion.
He's definitely not a failure. I have a great deal of respect for Malzahn, and I think he's a very good coach. Now idk, maybe it was just his time to go, but I really don't see how Auburn gets a coach better than him who will win them any more games than normal. Maybe Cristobal, but are they REALLY going to get him? If so, great, but otherwise what coach is going to do better than Malzahn? Malzahn wasn't perfect, but Auburn was not a bad program, they just had inconsistent records. A new head coach doesn't automatically mean more wins. So what were the problems that Malzahn had which the new coach won't have? I just have serious doubts that they're going to improve the team based on just a head coaching change
Right, unfortunately about 9 of the 14 teams in the SEC believe they should be contenders for the championship every year, and mathmatically, that isn't going to happen.
Only in 2020 can Auburn fire their coach for having success against their biggest rival while Michigan extends their coach for bending over for theirs.
While thats probably true, is that really the only purpose of the season? As a Bama fan, I respect the rivalry but every year our goal is to win chips, beating Auburn is just the icing. Also, the only game we lost that bothers me was the kick-6 and that was Gene not Gus's team.
Alabama fan here, I am bitterly divided about how I feel about it. On one hand, he cost me 3 TVs during his reign but on the other hand he also has lost some to Bama. But in all seriousness, the Iron Bowl was far in a way the most fun game to watch every year(especially odd years when its at Jordan-Hare) when you really had no idea what was going to happen. And the passion that fans felt during those games was the best, and that's what college football is all about. And as much as it pains me to say it, he definitely has some of the best moments in all of College Football history and they were all against Auburn's biggest rival...
I think he had some really good seasons at auburn. I wasn't expecting for him to be fired though. not this year I thought next year for sure if he didn't have a really good season
My jaw dropped when I read the video thumbnail and instantly clicked. The SEC is a fickle conference, it's always what have you done for me lately. I can't call Auburn football a failure. I can guarantee that there isn't one team that has played against them since Malzahn has been there that has thought "oh it's just Auburn, easy win".
Auburn fans are delusional. Gus was not a failure. He was a qualified success. The program historically wins 65-70 percent of the time and always will. There role is to consistently 8 to 9 games 7 years every decade; win 10+ games twice a decade and play meaningful football late into November and a clunker year during. In 2030 you will see this pattern repeat itself for this upcoming decade. The “Money “ guys would have fired Shug and that’s sad.
How long has James Franklin been at Penn St.? How many Conference Championships has he won? Isn't Penn St. 3-5 right now? Franklin is a major downgrade from Malzahn.
Well why would james franklin want to leave? When you only got to compete against Ohio state every year kind of makes your life easier. Compared to Alabama LSU Georgia and A&M. They maybe 3-5 right now but I don't think that reflects how good that team actually is. They would have to pay him a lot of money to come to Auburn.
First opening where I'm more interested who gets Gus. Doubt Auburn gets to be a better team unless the President, Athletic Association, Booster and future coach all get on the same page.
AU has only won three SEC championships since the conference started holding a title game in 1992. Why do you think they should be winning them on a regular basis?
True but it isn’t consistent enough. We’re falling behind in recruiting too so how can we contend with way less talent? It is a painful move because there are a lot of Auburn fans who really love Gus and his demeanor but it sounds like Auburn has the guy they want on deck already.
@@braveheart-lg4bo u got me. Sorry for trolling, but what other coach u gonna get? If I was auburn . I would have waited at least until u could get a elite coach
Auburn under Gus as HC: 3-5 (38%) v Alabama 2-7 (22%) v Georgia 3-5 (38%) v LSU 2-5 (29%) in bowl games 1-4 (25%) in bowl games v major conference teams 0-12 in Baton Rouge, Athens, and Tuscaloosa 39-28 (57%) v SEC opponents 15-17 (47%) v SEC opponents on the road 7-6 (54%) v non-conference power 5 teams 20-27 (41%) when playing ranked teams 8-17 (31%) when playing top 10 teams 27-31 against power 5 teams with a winning record 2 NY6 bow appearances and 0-2 in them 7 straight seasons with 4 or more losses 1st loss to a non-major conference team in 27 years 1st loss to Tennessee in 19 years (20 years at home) 1st loss to South Carolina in 87 years (1933) 1 SEC championship in 8 years 0 playoff appearances 0 national titles 2 first-round NFL draft picks since 2014 both in 2020 (credit: Kevin Steele on defense) No offensive first round picks since 2014 Went 5 seasons without a single first-round pick Lost by a combined 69 points in 4 losses as of Sunday 12/6 We beat no ranked teams We beat no teams with a winning record We lost to a a team that fired their coach mid season (USCe) We never were in games against Georgia and Alabama, they scored TDs while we kicked field goals We were one play away from losing to Ole Miss and Arkansas There are people old enough to vote who have never experienced a win in Baton Rouge. Next year, there will be people able to drive who have never experienced an Auburn win in Athens. If this resume doesn’t warrant firing, I don’t know what does. Reminder, Gus was the ~7th highest paid coach in all of college football and still put up the results above. Also, Auburn reeled in several top 10 recruiting classes as well, and Auburn’s highest-rated recruits regularly transferred from the program. The current Auburn recruiting class is ranked 42nd, which shows Gus had already given up on the team. Auburn has been overly patient with Gus. In his ONLY good season after year 1, we STILL had 4 losses. Gus had all the players to go all the way in 2013, 2014, 2017, and 2019 and couldn’t put it together. A majority of the Auburn fanbase doesn’t even bother watching the games anymore. Fan, booster, and BOT apathy have set in. It’s past time for Gus to go. Fan apathy and the money the university stands to loose if they didn’t make the move is what’s at stake. That amount for that buyout pales in comparison to forking over the cash.
Not bad if you consider auburn has only won 2 AP NCs the past 100 years. They're good for 1 SEC championship per decade. Malzahn probably had one coming in the next 5 years. Who will do better?
@@ohiostin yeah that’s not good enough anymore. Gus couldn’t keep an offensive coordinator or develop a QB or establish an O-line. Auburn competes, we fight. Gus quit. Bob Stoops, Hugh Freeze, Lane Kiffin, Matt Campbell, Kevin Steele, Steve Sarkisian, Brent Venables, Urban Meyer...many options to pay $7-$8 million a year and get more than 6/7/8 wins a season and coach up your QBs to compete
Do you think about considering all the losses Gus has had, and the fact that players are just not being developed under his “tutelage?” Or is “Beat Bama” as far as your fandom’s minds actually go?
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 I'm a Gator fan so my perspective is different on it but for me Saban has ran alot of coaches out of the conference so to be successful against him since he is the standard may warrant keeping your job
Auburn fans dislike him because the only thing he developed were rushers. He has been carried by the occasional star( Kerryon Johnson&Tank bixby If we didn't have those stand out recruits his record would look abysmal. The 2018/19 seasons were alright after a standout 2017 season. Then in 2020 he hires a new offensive coordinator and this team with a new OC continued to perform as bad as it did in 2019. The lack of offense for two arguably three seasons is what got him fired.
@@childofthanos84 yeah Saban has been there since 2007. The second longest tenured is now Mark Stoops who started at UK in 2013. There have been nearly 50 SEC head coaches who have been hired since his era in Tuscaloosa started.
@@LateKickwithJoshPate you may be right about Gus being top 20 but you validated his firing with several points. Sub par facilities and sub par recruiting that means he needs to be a top 5-10 coach to make up for lack of talent/depth vs LSU/A&M/Georgia /Bama. Btw, what has A&M done that everyone loves on them? Show me a division, a meaningful finish , meaningful bowl win, a CFP spot and I'll start calling them elite.
Auburn still has a ton of 4 star recruits so I don't think recruiting was necessarily the problem. I mean yeah they could probably stand to have maybe 7 to 10 more 5-star but that many 4-star recruits is a lot. For the 2020 class.
This is surprising. Do not understand how a guy who's made Auburn relevant gets fired. Who does Auburn think they are in the grand scheme of the college football landscape? You are 2nd fiddle to Alabama. You are not a top 5 desirable destination for 5 star recruits. There are literally 4-5 more desirable destinations in the SEC outside of Auburn. Malzahn made Auburn relevant.
Clearly your not an Auburn fan so your opinion doesn't matter to what the Facts prove, 8 years? Most coaches don't last 3 to 4 years, Auburn has been patient with him
Gus Malzhan from his early days at Hughes Arkansas high school he has demonstrated that he is an opportunist and politician... he is also an expert at using any leverage he can acquire to feather his nest, he is also comparable to Bobby "I was alone on my Motorcycle" Petrino...
I think it was the season he beat both Alabama and Georgia, heading to the SEC championship and there were a number of openings in the SEC. I think it was extend or lose him.
Nailed it on not properly investing in the program. If Gus had the investment needed, recruiting would have improved and the team would have been better! A new coach doesn't fix this. Wish Gus the best and hope Auburn doesnt turn into Tennessee
Gus wasn’t a failure I’m a lifelong Auburn fan along with a current student. He had to go things were getting very stale and toxic. I agree about facilities but we do have a football only facility coming
Players are not improving under his command these last few years.also he has lost his offensive touch and players are leaving. the program was crumbling under gus.
Why be patient for someone that is not going anywhere? At least at some programs there are small noticeable improvements each year. Thank you for the video.
Auburn never did really replace Cam Newton. When cam left it was a straight up drop off it wasn't even close. At one point it was a receiver playing QB.
@@xeverlastingxchaosx9679 He lost sight of the QB he needed. A dynamic runner with an ability to throw. He wanted to make a QB that didn't fit his system work with pocket passers. Bo isn't a pocket passer, but he's neither a great runner or passer.
@@chrisstiff2914 I disagree , Bo Nix can move . Both Saban and Myer can win with QBs that have different skill sets . Gus and Nick Marshall were very close to winning it all .
@@WISHBONEL7 He's not dynamic. He has some speed, but talking about NIck and Cam, they were going to make somebody miss every time they took off running.
@@LateKickwithJoshPate I apologize, this was actually meant as a compliment. It takes a lot of talent to be able to analyze something you don't know the results of yet. I like your show a lot. Happy holidays!
I am a Alabama Fan but Auburn is shooting them self in the foot on this one. they are not doing the right thing and it's going to come back and bite them in the butt.....
@@williamnicks2148 no doubt. He’s also had success against Saban, something Tennessee hasn’t had in awhile. As a UF alum, Gus at Tennessee would make my ears perk up a bit.
After 2013, Gus passed on the opportunity to have a new Football Operations/ Student Building, etc... . It was his for the asking, he declined. He also allowed the program to be pushed aside for usage in spaces from other programs , this caused problems in the program back then. Gus is leaving well compensated, but a few issues were glaring. The loss of every bowl game with good Teams, except Memphis and Purdue. 0-12 at UA, UGA, and LSU. Top 10 Opponent wins were scarce, QB development, among other concerns that never seemed to get a lot better . What about Jim Schwartz?
Won a lot of games at Auburn, clearly a winner. Interesting to see where he goes next. Could Texas re-open their search? Or could Arizona come knocking? Maybe some time out of the SEC would help Malzahn in the long run. Great coach, hope he finds a great program.
The bottom line is that the program was trending downward. Maybe Malzahn is a top 20 coach now, but he was quickly becoming a top 50 coach. Was Auburn suppose to wait until he drove the program down to the Chizik level?
For all of the Auburn fans. Y’all will not get James Franklin. He is invested in Penn State. He turned down a job in LA with SC he’s not coming to Alabama.
Gus is a solid coach but he won’t ever win a championship. That’s what Auburn expects (even if that is unrealistic). It was getting stale and I think it was probably time for a change, but it’s gonna be hard to find someone better. This is the perspective of an LSU fan.
I would say he isnt a failure. He is a great man. He ran a clean program and his players loved him. His record says he was a failure. I didnt update for a 2-8 Mississippi State team, but his record at Auburn is as follows: As of Sunday, December 6th 2020, Gus Malzahn is: 3-5 (38%) vs. Alabama 2-7 (22%) vs. Georgia 3-5 (38%) vs. LSU 2-5 (29%) in bowl games 1-4 (20%) in bowl games vs. major conference teams 0-12 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa 39-28 (57%) vs. SEC opponents 15-17 (47%) vs. SEC opponents on the road 7-6 (54%) vs. non-conference Power 5 teams 20-27 (41%) when playing ranked teams 8-17 (31%) when playing top 10 teams 27-31 against Power Five teams with a winning record. 2 NY6 bowl appearances, and is 0-2 (0%) in them 7 straight seasons with at least four losses 1st loss to a non-major conference team in 27 years 1st loss to Tennessee in 19 years (20 years at home) 1st loss to South Carolina in 87 years (1933) 1 SEC championship in 8 years 0 playoff appearances 0 national titles 2 first-round NFL draft picks since 2014, both in 2020. No offensive first round picks since 2014. No offensive players recruited by Malzahn drafted in the 1st round. Went 5 seasons without a single first-round pick. Sammie Coates was drafted and didnt know what a route tree was when he reported to the Steelers. Someone on staff couldnt count to 5 and cost the former years Alabama Mr Football a season of eligibility. We’ve lost by a combined 69 points this year in the 4 losses. We beat no ranked teams. We beat no teams with a winning record. We lost to a team that fired their coach midseason(USCe). We never were in the games against GA or Alabama. We were one play away from losing to Ole Miss and Ark There's people old enough to vote who have never experienced an Auburn win in Red Stick. Next year there will be people able to drive who have never experienced an Auburn win in Athens. *The overall numbers suggest yes, his tenure was a failure as HC* especially when we have lost recently because of an inept offense from our "offensive genius."
Anyone who can see these numbers and think Gus deserved 7m per season needs their head examined. No one expects to be Bama or UGA. What did Bama or UGA have to do with losing to USCe? What did Bama ot UGA have to do with losing at home to a terrible Tennessee team? What did Bama or UGA have to do with giving up a 3TD 2nd half lead at LSU? What did Bama and UGA have to do with Gus saying 6-4 is a solid year? What does Bama or UGA have to do with all of our QBs appearing to regress under Gus? What does Bama or UGA have to do with our offensw looking almost identical under 4 different OCs? The only place its "all about what Bama and UGA are doing" is in the eyes of the media. There isnt a single auburn fan I know that expects to be Bama or UGA. But im sorry with like 15 games on the schedule now, it is unacceptable to not EVER win 10 games in back to back seasons. We have only done that once in over 110 years of football. We dont expect 15 wins every year, im sorry Josh but expecting 10 wins per year shouldnt be out of the question when we are paying top 5 money.
And Gus couldnt do it because of his offensive line recruiting Josh. Not recruiting all around. Anyone who looks at it honestly will see those classes propped up by undersized skill position players. Gus failed in the trenches. Our best OL have been converted DL and OGs. Please remind me of the Malzahn recruited OT who has even played OT *FOR AUBURN* muchless at the next level. You cant. *THEY DONT EXIST* IN...... *YEAR 8*
The way our defense played against LSU, Florida, Bama, etc last year, I always thought the Defensive coach should be given a shot at being skipper. If Gus had made a competent defensive coach hire in 2013 we would have won the national championship, probably twice in a row, with that ridiculous Nick Marshall offense putting up 500, 600 yards a game to lose by three. SMH. Gus could not make good hires. Nick Saban gets Lane Kiffin, Gus gets some guy from Arkansas. Arkansas... My brother and I had a joke. "Well, Gus why did you decide to hire John Doe from Woodland Highschool over Bill Bellicheck as offense coordinator." Gus: "Well, John Doe gave me a bite of his candy bar in first grade. That's family right there, and at Auburn we're all about family." I'm glad Bama stomped that ass. If we lost by three, Gus would still be here.
Thats a bad decision unless they have a legitimate upgrade ready to go. Its Hugh Freeze or bust for them i think. Although im not sure Hugh Freeze is a giant upgrade as hes never won anything but has done well with underperforming programs. I don’t think Malzahn is a failure but i can see how people could say that as there was no consistency in performance from season to season.
I wouldn’t call Gus a “failure” but I would say that the reason for his firing is more of a lack of consistency and there are many variables that caused that some of which were out of his control BUT I believe Gus was his own worst enemy. He was labeled an offensive genius after that miracle 2013 season where he caught lightning in a bottle with Nick Marshal and Trey Mason(oh, and a first round draft pick in O’line Greg Robinson!) but after that he continually surrounded himself on offense with very inexperienced coaches for example “Kodi Burns” and others. It seemed Gus was afraid to hire any offensive coaches who might know more than him and his offenses suffered for it. There were also innumerable moments where he looked like he had no clue as to who should be a starter, I forget the RB name but he was like 4th string and then Roc Thomas transferd and a series of things happened that brought the 4th string Rb to starter and he was amazing, he sat the bench for two years before this but seemed he was the best of the bunch and Gus didn’t know? Look at all the QB talent that came and went never to develop under Gus. There have been so many times I wondered wth is Gus doing?! Gus will get a nice severance check so stop feeling bad for the guy, he wasn’t fired for anything other than a lack of consistency and when you are getting paid big money like that, consistency is a must.
He's pretty darn good, whatever team gets him next will be a lucky one. BUT could we say Gus saw it coming? His reaction after the Mississippi State wasn't so happy even though they won. He's not a failure, when you have to play Saban and Kirby Smart every year. I'm telling you, we'll be at best the same under the new coach as what we were under Gus. That's just the way it'll happen. War Eagle!
Bad move by Auburn. How are they going to find another coach that has so much influence on the officials. Auburn's true ending record should be 4 and 6. But thanks to the SEC officials, it's 6 and 4.
Josh, I will forever hail you as a god amongst men if you're right about James Franklin to Auburn. I've been completely consumed with HC search rumors the past 24 hours and haven't seen James Franklin's name once
It's not about him being a failure it's about when the other schools around you begin to emerge like Florida and like Texas A&M. It's starting to be too many irons in the fire and Auburn looks like they're starting to slip. If they don't get a good coach with a good offensive Playbook they will not recover from this for a long time
Imagine being 0-12 against Bama/LSU/UGA and then blaming everything in Covid 😂 Talking like he is the head coach of UAB or Troy. This is AUBURN! We expect top 15 play! Glad he is gone. Urban Meyers or Freeze should be a good choice 💪🏾
The way this season has been, no AD should not fire any coaches. I wonder if Petrino, or Freeze, or Lashlee is who their eyes are on right now. Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer are not realistic options unless they feel it's a great opportunity and worth returning to football.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 gus was 3-4 against saban. Gus has gotten just as close to a ring as kirby smart. Jimbo and ed o have not separated themselves from Gus. The years they won a ring they barely beat Gus.
Beating Saban shouldn't be Auburn's big goal every year...Besides, you're going to beat your arch rival from time to time...Recruiting against GA, LSU and TX A&M, not to mention Bama, is what makes the Auburn job so difficult.
@@freedomrider266 bit what about teams that don't? Lsu and texas am both had 8 game losing streaks to bama and uga is just pathetic being in the east and still not winning a ring. Auburn is right behind bama, ohio st, clemson, and probably 2 or 3 more sec teams on any given year. Theres not much room to be better.
Big Auburn Fan! I don’t think Gus failed at AU. He also couldn’t win Major Bowl Games and lost 12 games in a row on the road vs UAT, THUGA & LSWho. That’s not good. Auburn can win bigger than Clemson. Clemson used to be Auburn’s little brother. Auburn has the best community culture in America. The Auburn Family is special. We need a new coach and recruit with an HC with 5 years of job security. Next Year’s Auburn Class will be in the Top 10 for sure. I have heard from insiders that Jimmy Rane is going to push Big Game Bob Stoops to tell Auburn no. Yes, facility upgrades need to happen at Auburn. War Eagle!
auburn wants hugh freeze cause he beat bama 2 times in a row..he also left ole miss on probation, and had a losing record against bama..malzhan could be a conference champion in a smaller conference..con-usa mountain west..etc
Long time rumor is that Bama already has the replacement for Saban. Supposedly written in this guy's contract a few years ago. Dabo Swinney. If that happens, Bama will be almost unbeatable. Good luck Auburn and WDE!
There was more to it than that. 2-7 vs Georgia. 0-12 in Baton Rouge, Athens, and Tuscaloosa. Being absolutely OWNED by that overgrown child in Athens. Up until this year, being owned by that muttering incoherent cookie monster in Louisiana. Crapping out in bowl games. Losing to Minnesota, Central Florida, and Wisconsin. Caring more about his contract extension than prepping for the SEC Championship in 2017. Letting Georgia, a team they had just blown out 3 weeks earlier, return the favor in embarrassing fashion. Then making Central Florida look like the Kansas City Chiefs in the bowl game. The program needs to be about more than Iron Bowl wins.
And how many times did Bama win it all with that 1 L that auburn gave em. It doesn't matter who auburn has aslong as saben is in the SEC. And I am a life long Auburn fan
I agree with all that but everyone is going to look up the street to saben and say "why cant we be that". And we both know it. And if you can convince me of someone that can do all that u talked about. Aka in auburn money range I'll be on board.
He shouldn't have hired Chad Morris. I mean i'm glad his garbage offense has been proven ineffective once again. But now any OC is an upgrade so they will inevitably be better next year.
He isn't a failure. He had eight years to produce and couldn't cut it. Auburn recruiting wasn't bad either. He had eight years and Auburn grew tired of him. Already knew he was out the door before they fired him. And by the way it wasn't just him. Auburn cleaned house and hired 7 coaches. It wasn't just him.
Name another coach that has defeated Saban 3 times. Granted, he’s had more chances than many, but taking down #1 Bama twice and #5 Bama once is some serious cachet.
And yet he could only get a chance at a national championship only one of his eight seasons. Other teams, such as Clemson and Georgia, have consistently had greater seasons and chances at the championship.
@@lintlickerben Georgia's east conference was weak all those years. All they had to do to get into the Natty was beat Bama in the SEC championship, and I don't remember them actually even doing that.
@@lintlickerben Georgia has only played for the natty once in that time frame and Clemson is in a different conference. UGA is almost over Smart now. I get what you’re saying, though. Auburn is in a tough situation. No one going to come in and suddenly take over the west while Saban is still coaching. If he wins just 4 of the 12 road games against Bama, UGA, and LSU, then he is still coaching.
@@tonycrabtree3416 We need our miracle coach to put Saban down once and for all lol. We can hope, but who knows what'll happen now. But I'm okay with taking the risk of firing Gus
I am not an Auburn fan so my opinion may not be meaningful. I do not think he was a failure. I am surprised he was fired. I think these schools make coaching changes and frequently find out later that it was a mistake. This season is a very strange season. Playing an all SEC schedule with limited preparation, I would think that alone makes this being a bad year to make this move. . .
This was not a bad coach. His win ratio is better than Auburn's all-time win percentage. Auburn better hope that they a proven coach ready. Otherwise they might get what they deserve.
He failed at player development. The list of losses against teams that average 2 and 3 star players (UCF, Minnesota, South Carolina, etc.) goes on. Given the resources and support that Auburn provides, he should never be that consistent in failure against lesser teams.
Franklin and Malzahn both lost to Minnesota in 2019. Respectively, 31-26 and 31-24. Are those two points the difference? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills or something.
I think Gus’ first year he was really able to give it all he had and put everything out there without having the risk of being criticized for every move he made.
Barners live in fantasy land. They want to be as great as Alabama so but don't realize that is impossible. They would be better off putting their focus on becoming a basketball school and accepting reality.
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I think Brett Venables would be the only possibility that would make me happier about this decision. And NO i have nothing that would tell me this would happen except hopefully he would want a head coaching job finally.
Nobody in the SEC is afraid of Ryan Day or Lincoln Riley. Lol
He’s not a failure. He’s did good things at Auburn. He’ll win a lot of games in a weaker conference.
Can't even express how much I agree with this.
@@autiger96 🙄🙄🙄
I agree, SEC is a confidence conference. If your team loses, start cheering for Bama
Auburn is one of the toughest jobs in the country. Malzahn did better than I thought he would.
I agree
As an Auburn graduate, I'm not convinced that this was the right move. Who else in the college coaching ranks has 3 wins against Nick Saban and Alabama in the last eight years? This may very well blow up in their face and things may now get worse before they get better.
8-16 vs his main rivals (lsu, georgia, and Alabama) 0-12 on the road against them.
sad thing is he was up 18 in a natl championship and choked
@@horsedoggy5883 Yes, that was painful
unless auburn has a big time hire up their sleeves this feels like a big mistake
Keeping Gus when they could’ve gotten shed if him was a big mistake. Awbarn is nothing if not consistent.
With jobs opening all over the country they wanted to get a lead on coaches. They don't want to be looking after Texax fires Tom Herman. Or if LSU fires O next year. Arizona is open, and soon more will be.
I get the feeling we will get an announcement about Hugh Freeze once he gets over covid
Big let down for the people who hate auburn is what it is. Auburn can find a coach out there can do just as good or even better and also can recruit better. The people who are saying this haven’t seen our awful recruiting class this year. It was time the relationship ran its course.
@Chris Wise It’s 41 or 42 currently. And 11th in the Sec.
It’s weird how Malzahn beats Bama more often than most other teams in the SEC and yet he’ll lose to other SEC teams that aren’t at Bama’s level
His inconsistencies are why he was fired. Gus beat UA three times, and for 2/3 of those seemed to always catch them when there were key injuries on the 'Bama defense. Not saying his teams didn't deserve to win, but his only time beating a healthy Crimson Tide team was in 2013.
Because those miracles only happen in Jordan Hare. They want Bama beat every year, it's all Auburn lives for. I love Auburn fans, they're laid back and easy to get along with, but the entire season is about beating Bama. Dont try to shit me on that I'm a Bama fan and live around Aubs and been all over the state. Look at the length of rope they give coaches that beat Bama vs the ones that don't.
@@genocidereaper1 I'm well aware. I've been told by friends (AU fans) that "Bammer tears" are better than winning a championship. They call 3 point wins "beat downs" and have to come up with names for every Iron Bowl that they win. People can never understand unless they're from 'Bama and lived this rivalry.
@@genocidereaper1 you sound like an imbecile speaking for the whole fan base. Everytime Gus beat Bama he'd drop a bowl game so you're definitely wrong!!!!!
Malzahn beat Bama 3 times so maybe that is more often than other teams.
But if Auburn's idea of a great season is beating Bama, 3 wins out of 8 is not a good record for Malzahn.
I wish my job would fire me for $21 million....
Ain't that the truth?
$1 million would do.
200K I'm cheap.
0-12 road record against Alabama, LSU, and Georgia. Nuff said
I think that's the biggest factor in him being fired.
Put a more conventional offense against Saban every year and you’ll be 0-8 against them in the same time frame.
Ya but he’s beaten Alabama more than anyone else, and went to a title game. If you expect Auburn to be Alabama, then you’ll always be disappointed.
@Island Dreaming92 who in their right mind believes you can recruit enough at Michigan to be competitive? Are players dying to play up North these days? Aside from Ohio St I don't think anyone in the big is much of a threat to anyone and even Ohio state has been destroyed in the playoffs.
@Island Dreaming92 being realistic not being a homer, I'm a Bama fan. You show me some way Michigan can attract enough talent to compete Harbaugh has tried everything, trips to Europe, satellite camps in the south. They're going to have to get in bidding war with everyone else and I don't think even if they matched the money they can, because location hurts them.
Whomever they hire is coming into one of, if not the toughest jobs in the country. Your biggest rival has won 5 national titles in 11 years and are on the cusp of their 6th in 12 years. No matter what you do you're always going to be compared to Alabama. Is it fair? No. But it's the truth. It's a lot of pressure. So whomever they hire has their work cut out for them.
Let the coaching carousel begin! No reputable coach is going to accept a position at Auburn. Maybe when Saban leaves, but that isn't happening anytime soon.
@@PatriotPlus179 Saban is going to coach for at least another 5 years if not more. I think the best Auburn can do is to find someone who can get you 9 wins a season. An occasional upset over Alabama and Georgia. But you still need to go through LSU and A&M. It's a tall task.
Don't forget playing LSU every year and UGA in the East every year.
@@jayaustin5316 True, but that's literally what Malzahn was and they let him go. I'm not sure who they think they're gonna get as a replacement, but unless you get like Urban Meyer to somehow magically agree to come coach Auburn, I think they're about to take a major step back for the next few years.
@@Jacob-ec6st Personally I think it was a mistake to fire him right now. Especially with early signing period right around the corner. It's definitely going to have a negative impact on recruiting. I know everyone is going crazy over Hugh Freeze but he only went 39-25 at Ole Miss. Sure he beat Saban twice but what did he have to show for it? He never won the west. So I'm not sold that he's the upgrade they're looking for. Just my opinion.
He's definitely not a failure. I have a great deal of respect for Malzahn, and I think he's a very good coach. Now idk, maybe it was just his time to go, but I really don't see how Auburn gets a coach better than him who will win them any more games than normal. Maybe Cristobal, but are they REALLY going to get him? If so, great, but otherwise what coach is going to do better than Malzahn? Malzahn wasn't perfect, but Auburn was not a bad program, they just had inconsistent records. A new head coach doesn't automatically mean more wins. So what were the problems that Malzahn had which the new coach won't have? I just have serious doubts that they're going to improve the team based on just a head coaching change
Right, unfortunately about 9 of the 14 teams in the SEC believe they should be contenders for the championship every year, and mathmatically, that isn't going to happen.
Only in 2020 can Auburn fire their coach for having success against their biggest rival while Michigan extends their coach for bending over for theirs.
My goodness, Gus has won more games against Bama during the last 8 years than any team.
While thats probably true, is that really the only purpose of the season?
As a Bama fan, I respect the rivalry but every year our goal is to win chips, beating Auburn is just the icing.
Also, the only game we lost that bothers me was the kick-6 and that was Gene not Gus's team.
@@MrKananga So, you are saying that AU has beat Bama more than any team in the Nation during the 8 years is not good enough?
He is 0-12 against Bama, LSU, and Georgia at Their home 😐
@@iluvdissheet the Kick six was 2013. That was Gus's team.
@@sturock2000 those were Genes recruited players
Auburn consistently had one of the hardest schedules in the the country
With the buyout this guy was wise enough to negotiate, he should just laugh all the way to the bank! Lot of money, and no more pressure!
Agreed! He can take all the time he needs before deciding what to do next!
Best job in the world is a fired sec coach.
@@ericcook7622 facts. Sitting at home while watching millions fall into your bank account
Alabama fan here, I am bitterly divided about how I feel about it.
On one hand, he cost me 3 TVs during his reign but on the other hand he also has lost some to Bama. But in all seriousness, the Iron Bowl was far in a way the most fun game to watch every year(especially odd years when its at Jordan-Hare) when you really had no idea what was going to happen. And the passion that fans felt during those games was the best, and that's what college football is all about.
And as much as it pains me to say it, he definitely has some of the best moments in all of College Football history and they were all against Auburn's biggest rival...
How old are you ?.
I think he had some really good seasons at auburn. I wasn't expecting for him to be fired though. not this year I thought next year for sure if he didn't have a really good season
My jaw dropped when I read the video thumbnail and instantly clicked. The SEC is a fickle conference, it's always what have you done for me lately. I can't call Auburn football a failure. I can guarantee that there isn't one team that has played against them since Malzahn has been there that has thought "oh it's just Auburn, easy win".
Bama has thought that every time.
42-13
Looked pretty easy.
Auburn fans are delusional. Gus was not a failure. He was a qualified success. The program historically wins 65-70 percent of the time and always will. There role is to consistently 8 to 9 games 7 years every decade; win 10+ games twice a decade and play meaningful football late into November and a clunker year during. In 2030 you will see this pattern repeat itself for this upcoming decade. The “Money “ guys would have fired Shug and that’s sad.
I think we all love Gus ; but at this price tag you got to preform and needed to make a change.
Auburn will soon be like TN Vols..
Agreed
Ya'll need to make an awesome hire or you're going to be missing this guy
@@stevem6856 Sarkisian, Napier, Bill Clark, hell I'd be happy with Cristobal.
How do you feel about Hugh Freeze?
How long has James Franklin been at Penn St.? How many Conference Championships has he won? Isn't Penn St. 3-5 right now? Franklin is a major downgrade from Malzahn.
Well why would james franklin want to leave? When you only got to compete against Ohio state every year kind of makes your life easier. Compared to Alabama LSU Georgia and A&M. They maybe 3-5 right now but I don't think that reflects how good that team actually is. They would have to pay him a lot of money to come to Auburn.
@@chadsmith6283 lsu is 3-5. Face it outside of alabama the sec is pretty overrated.
First opening where I'm more interested who gets Gus. Doubt Auburn gets to be a better team unless the President, Athletic Association, Booster and future coach all get on the same page.
As an alum, I expect SEC titles. Not Outback bowl or Music City bowl appearances.
I think if a few more of those appearances had been wins, might have bought him another year or 2.
@@karrdashen9190 If he doesn't blow the 2nd half against Florida St, he goes down as a legend. Crazy how 30 minutes completely changes your legacy.
@@damanwiththeplan He took his foot off the pedal.... he blew it and it makes me sick every time I think about it!!!
AU has only won three SEC championships since the conference started holding a title game in 1992. Why do you think they should be winning them on a regular basis?
Someone give Matt a Snickers. 😂
3:24 Josh, appreciate the weirdly, accurate shout-out for the Michigan State fan who has never been to the state of Alabama. 😂
I think auburn made a bad decision. Malzon has more wins against bama than any other coach in the sec. RTR
He was winless on the road vs Alabama and UGA..If he would have won that game vs Bama he would have been safe.
True but it isn’t consistent enough. We’re falling behind in recruiting too so how can we contend with way less talent? It is a painful move because there are a lot of Auburn fans who really love Gus and his demeanor but it sounds like Auburn has the guy they want on deck already.
RTR - of course you think it was a bad decision, just like I thought firing Shula was a bad decision, WDE!
@@braveheart-lg4bo u got me. Sorry for trolling, but what other coach u gonna get? If I was auburn . I would have waited at least until u could get a elite coach
I don’t know if that was all that smart
This was not a smart firing, unless Auburn's brass feel they can get Mack Brown to leave North Carolina for Auburn.
We got cristobal in the baf
Bag*
Auburn under Gus as HC:
3-5 (38%) v Alabama
2-7 (22%) v Georgia
3-5 (38%) v LSU
2-5 (29%) in bowl games
1-4 (25%) in bowl games v major conference teams
0-12 in Baton Rouge, Athens, and Tuscaloosa
39-28 (57%) v SEC opponents
15-17 (47%) v SEC opponents on the road
7-6 (54%) v non-conference power 5 teams
20-27 (41%) when playing ranked teams
8-17 (31%) when playing top 10 teams
27-31 against power 5 teams with a winning record
2 NY6 bow appearances and 0-2 in them
7 straight seasons with 4 or more losses
1st loss to a non-major conference team in 27 years
1st loss to Tennessee in 19 years (20 years at home)
1st loss to South Carolina in 87 years (1933)
1 SEC championship in 8 years
0 playoff appearances
0 national titles
2 first-round NFL draft picks since 2014 both in 2020 (credit: Kevin Steele on defense)
No offensive first round picks since 2014
Went 5 seasons without a single first-round pick
Lost by a combined 69 points in 4 losses as of Sunday 12/6
We beat no ranked teams
We beat no teams with a winning record
We lost to a a team that fired their coach mid season (USCe)
We never were in games against Georgia and Alabama, they scored TDs while we kicked field goals
We were one play away from losing to Ole Miss and Arkansas
There are people old enough to vote who have never experienced a win in Baton Rouge. Next year, there will be people able to drive who have never experienced an Auburn win in Athens. If this resume doesn’t warrant firing, I don’t know what does. Reminder, Gus was the ~7th highest paid coach in all of college football and still put up the results above. Also, Auburn reeled in several top 10 recruiting classes as well, and Auburn’s highest-rated recruits regularly transferred from the program. The current Auburn recruiting class is ranked 42nd, which shows Gus had already given up on the team. Auburn has been overly patient with Gus. In his ONLY good season after year 1, we STILL had 4 losses. Gus had all the players to go all the way in 2013, 2014, 2017, and 2019 and couldn’t put it together. A majority of the Auburn fanbase doesn’t even bother watching the games anymore. Fan, booster, and BOT apathy have set in. It’s past time for Gus to go. Fan apathy and the money the university stands to loose if they didn’t make the move is what’s at stake. That amount for that buyout pales in comparison to forking over the cash.
Not bad if you consider auburn has only won 2 AP NCs the past 100 years. They're good for 1 SEC championship per decade. Malzahn probably had one coming in the next 5 years. Who will do better?
Thank you truth !
@@ohiostin yeah that’s not good enough anymore. Gus couldn’t keep an offensive coordinator or develop a QB or establish an O-line. Auburn competes, we fight. Gus quit. Bob Stoops, Hugh Freeze, Lane Kiffin, Matt Campbell, Kevin Steele, Steve Sarkisian, Brent Venables, Urban Meyer...many options to pay $7-$8 million a year and get more than 6/7/8 wins a season and coach up your QBs to compete
@@glassmw9823 Gus did or didn't do a lot of things. But he didn't quit. That's a lazy analysis
@@glassmw9823 auburn probably thought the same thing when they let gene chizik go.
He's beat Saban more than other coaches. I think he is a good coach but wasn't consistent enough for Auburn's taste
Do you think about considering all the losses Gus has had, and the fact that players are just not being developed under his “tutelage?” Or is “Beat Bama” as far as your fandom’s minds actually go?
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 oh we've been furious about that since Sean White. The fans didn't ask for that extension. We've been seeing this for years.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 I'm a Gator fan so my perspective is different on it but for me Saban has ran alot of coaches out of the conference so to be successful against him since he is the standard may warrant keeping your job
Auburn fans dislike him because the only thing he developed were rushers. He has been carried by the occasional star( Kerryon Johnson&Tank bixby If we didn't have those stand out recruits his record would look abysmal. The 2018/19 seasons were alright after a standout 2017 season. Then in 2020 he hires a new offensive coordinator and this team with a new OC continued to perform as bad as it did in 2019. The lack of offense for two arguably three seasons is what got him fired.
@@childofthanos84 yeah Saban has been there since 2007. The second longest tenured is now Mark Stoops who started at UK in 2013. There have been nearly 50 SEC head coaches who have been hired since his era in Tuscaloosa started.
Can you post your “Top 20 Coach Power Ratings” ?
Planning on doing that in the spring, going to go in-depth with it. - JP
@@LateKickwithJoshPate you may be right about Gus being top 20 but you validated his firing with several points. Sub par facilities and sub par recruiting that means he needs to be a top 5-10 coach to make up for lack of talent/depth vs LSU/A&M/Georgia /Bama. Btw, what has A&M done that everyone loves on them? Show me a division, a meaningful finish , meaningful bowl win, a CFP spot and I'll start calling them elite.
As a Tennessee fan, I’m on the Gus Bus. Somebody call Phil and get Gus a contract.
Careful what you wish for.
@@marktastic86 you mean beat Alabama in a new ridiculous way every other year? Sign me up lol
@@jarrettipox3877
"5 out of 14 ain't bad!" - Auburn fans
Who the hell would want that job
Auburn still has a ton of 4 star recruits so I don't think recruiting was necessarily the problem. I mean yeah they could probably stand to have maybe 7 to 10 more 5-star but that many 4-star recruits is a lot. For the 2020 class.
The problem with Gus is that the offenses never seemed to evolve. Same old window dressing, middle school offense.
This is surprising. Do not understand how a guy who's made Auburn relevant gets fired. Who does Auburn think they are in the grand scheme of the college football landscape? You are 2nd fiddle to Alabama. You are not a top 5 desirable destination for 5 star recruits. There are literally 4-5 more desirable destinations in the SEC outside of Auburn. Malzahn made Auburn relevant.
Clearly your not an Auburn fan so your opinion doesn't matter to what the Facts prove, 8 years? Most coaches don't last 3 to 4 years, Auburn has been patient with him
Gus is far from being a failure at Auburn.
Gus Malzhan from his early days at Hughes Arkansas high school he has demonstrated that he is an opportunist and politician... he is also an expert at using any leverage he can acquire to feather his nest, he is also comparable to Bobby "I was alone on my Motorcycle" Petrino...
I can't believe they gave him a contract extension before.
I think it was the season he beat both Alabama and Georgia, heading to the SEC championship and there were a number of openings in the SEC. I think it was extend or lose him.
Nailed it on not properly investing in the program. If Gus had the investment needed, recruiting would have improved and the team would have been better! A new coach doesn't fix this. Wish Gus the best and hope Auburn doesnt turn into Tennessee
That dance he did in the locker room was probably the last straw
Writing was on the wall
They're probably going to go and get that guy that used to be the OC for LSU last year
I have a question, who do you think are top 10 coaches in cfb? Just curious
Gus wasn’t a failure I’m a lifelong Auburn fan along with a current student. He had to go things were getting very stale and toxic. I agree about facilities but we do have a football only facility coming
Players are not improving under his command these last few years.also he has lost his offensive touch and players are leaving. the program was crumbling under gus.
Great guy...a real auburn man. Just not the right guy. Wish him well.
Player development has been tremendous on the defensive side of the ball. On the offense not so much, especially QB. Regression there.
Your right Iam only saying everything Gus had his hand in was not getting better .Kevin has done great
Why be patient for someone that is not going anywhere? At least at some programs there are small noticeable improvements each year. Thank you for the video.
Auburn never did really replace Cam Newton. When cam left it was a straight up drop off it wasn't even close. At one point it was a receiver playing QB.
That was probably the biggest reason he got fired. Not being able to develop QBs.
@@xeverlastingxchaosx9679 He lost sight of the QB he needed. A dynamic runner with an ability to throw. He wanted to make a QB that didn't fit his system work with pocket passers. Bo isn't a pocket passer, but he's neither a great runner or passer.
Cause he was paid to play at Auburn through he father. Cam was paid to play at Auburn cause Auburn was highest bidder.
@@chrisstiff2914 I disagree , Bo Nix can move .
Both Saban and Myer can win with QBs that have different skill sets . Gus and Nick Marshall were very close to winning it all .
@@WISHBONEL7 He's not dynamic. He has some speed, but talking about NIck and Cam, they were going to make somebody miss every time they took off running.
This guy is good he took 14 minutes and 14 seconds to say I don't know.
This wasn't a prediction video. - JP
@@LateKickwithJoshPate
I apologize, this was actually meant as a compliment. It takes a lot of talent to be able to analyze something you don't know the results of yet. I like your show a lot. Happy holidays!
I am a Alabama Fan but Auburn is shooting them self in the foot on this one. they are not doing the right thing and it's going to come back and bite them in the butt.....
Tennessee should hire him
Lol
Tennessee could do much, much worse than Malzahn.
@@williamnicks2148 no doubt. He’s also had success against Saban, something Tennessee hasn’t had in awhile. As a UF alum, Gus at Tennessee would make my ears perk up a bit.
Ay! Thanks for the Kennesaw State shout out!
Hugh Freeze and Gus are friends run the same system
After 2013, Gus passed on the opportunity to have a new Football Operations/ Student Building, etc... . It was his for the asking, he declined. He also allowed the program to be pushed aside for usage in spaces from other programs , this caused problems in the program back then. Gus is leaving well compensated, but a few issues were glaring. The loss of every bowl game with good Teams, except Memphis and Purdue. 0-12 at UA, UGA, and LSU. Top 10 Opponent wins were scarce, QB development, among other concerns that never seemed to get a lot better . What about Jim Schwartz?
He just seemed to stall out, Auburn's ambitions out grew 8-4 seasons. Now too see if this a Fulmer move.
They should get joe Brady
He shouldnt have gotten fired. Im gonna laugh when Akron hires him and they come to JHS and steamroll Auburn next year.
U wish😂
@@dakotan.mcintyre2898 book it
Why and how is James Franklin a fit?
Oh Auburn, where will you go now?
Down the sinking ship after this.
Michigan should be pursuing Gus Malzahn. At least his teams have defeated hated rival Alabama 3 times
Won a lot of games at Auburn, clearly a winner. Interesting to see where he goes next. Could Texas re-open their search? Or could Arizona come knocking? Maybe some time out of the SEC would help Malzahn in the long run. Great coach, hope he finds a great program.
Auburn continues to think they are Alabama and are bound and determined to be Tennessee.
The bottom line is that the program was trending downward. Maybe Malzahn is a top 20 coach now, but he was quickly becoming a top 50 coach. Was Auburn suppose to wait until he drove the program down to the Chizik level?
I heard he's replacing Butch Jones at Bama 🤭
I would be massively dissatisfied with a James Franklin hire. In my opinion, the other two you mentioned would be great candidates.
Loved Gus but couldn't get past the 0-16 at our rivals.
For all of the Auburn fans. Y’all will not get James Franklin. He is invested in Penn State. He turned down a job in LA with SC he’s not coming to Alabama.
Gus is a solid coach but he won’t ever win a championship. That’s what Auburn expects (even if that is unrealistic). It was getting stale and I think it was probably time for a change, but it’s gonna be hard to find someone better. This is the perspective of an LSU fan.
I would say he isnt a failure. He is a great man. He ran a clean program and his players loved him.
His record says he was a failure.
I didnt update for a 2-8 Mississippi State team, but his record at Auburn is as follows:
As of Sunday, December 6th 2020, Gus Malzahn is:
3-5 (38%) vs. Alabama
2-7 (22%) vs. Georgia
3-5 (38%) vs. LSU
2-5 (29%) in bowl games
1-4 (20%) in bowl games vs. major conference teams
0-12 (0%) in Baton Rouge, Athens and Tuscaloosa
39-28 (57%) vs. SEC opponents
15-17 (47%) vs. SEC opponents on the road
7-6 (54%) vs. non-conference Power 5 teams
20-27 (41%) when playing ranked teams
8-17 (31%) when playing top 10 teams
27-31 against Power Five teams with a winning record.
2 NY6 bowl appearances, and is 0-2 (0%) in them
7 straight seasons with at least four losses
1st loss to a non-major conference team in 27 years
1st loss to Tennessee in 19 years (20 years at home)
1st loss to South Carolina in 87 years (1933)
1 SEC championship in 8 years
0 playoff appearances
0 national titles
2 first-round NFL draft picks since 2014, both in 2020. No offensive first round picks since 2014. No offensive players recruited by Malzahn drafted in the 1st round. Went 5 seasons without a single first-round pick. Sammie Coates was drafted and didnt know what a route tree was when he reported to the Steelers.
Someone on staff couldnt count to 5 and cost the former years Alabama Mr Football a season of eligibility.
We’ve lost by a combined 69 points this year in the 4 losses.
We beat no ranked teams.
We beat no teams with a winning record.
We lost to a team that fired their coach midseason(USCe).
We never were in the games against GA or Alabama.
We were one play away from losing to Ole Miss and Ark
There's people old enough to vote who have never experienced an Auburn win in Red Stick.
Next year there will be people able to drive who have never experienced an Auburn win in Athens.
*The overall numbers suggest yes, his tenure was a failure as HC* especially when we have lost recently because of an inept offense from our "offensive genius."
Anyone who can see these numbers and think Gus deserved 7m per season needs their head examined.
No one expects to be Bama or UGA.
What did Bama or UGA have to do with losing to USCe? What did Bama ot UGA have to do with losing at home to a terrible Tennessee team? What did Bama or UGA have to do with giving up a 3TD 2nd half lead at LSU? What did Bama and UGA have to do with Gus saying 6-4 is a solid year? What does Bama or UGA have to do with all of our QBs appearing to regress under Gus? What does Bama or UGA have to do with our offensw looking almost identical under 4 different OCs?
The only place its "all about what Bama and UGA are doing" is in the eyes of the media. There isnt a single auburn fan I know that expects to be Bama or UGA.
But im sorry with like 15 games on the schedule now, it is unacceptable to not EVER win 10 games in back to back seasons. We have only done that once in over 110 years of football. We dont expect 15 wins every year, im sorry Josh but expecting 10 wins per year shouldnt be out of the question when we are paying top 5 money.
And Gus couldnt do it because of his offensive line recruiting Josh. Not recruiting all around. Anyone who looks at it honestly will see those classes propped up by undersized skill position players. Gus failed in the trenches. Our best OL have been converted DL and OGs. Please remind me of the Malzahn recruited OT who has even played OT *FOR AUBURN* muchless at the next level.
You cant. *THEY DONT EXIST* IN...... *YEAR 8*
The way our defense played against LSU, Florida, Bama, etc last year, I always thought the Defensive coach should be given a shot at being skipper. If Gus had made a competent defensive coach hire in 2013 we would have won the national championship, probably twice in a row, with that ridiculous Nick Marshall offense putting up 500, 600 yards a game to lose by three. SMH.
Gus could not make good hires. Nick Saban gets Lane Kiffin, Gus gets some guy from Arkansas. Arkansas...
My brother and I had a joke. "Well, Gus why did you decide to hire John Doe from Woodland Highschool over Bill Bellicheck as offense coordinator."
Gus: "Well, John Doe gave me a bite of his candy bar in first grade. That's family right there, and at Auburn we're all about family."
I'm glad Bama stomped that ass. If we lost by three, Gus would still be here.
Thats a bad decision unless they have a legitimate upgrade ready to go. Its Hugh Freeze or bust for them i think. Although im not sure Hugh Freeze is a giant upgrade as hes never won anything but has done well with underperforming programs. I don’t think Malzahn is a failure but i can see how people could say that as there was no consistency in performance from season to season.
I wouldn’t call Gus a “failure” but I would say that the reason for his firing is more of a lack of consistency and there are many variables that caused that some of which were out of his control BUT I believe Gus was his own worst enemy. He was labeled an offensive genius after that miracle 2013 season where he caught lightning in a bottle with Nick Marshal and Trey Mason(oh, and a first round draft pick in O’line Greg Robinson!) but after that he continually surrounded himself on offense with very inexperienced coaches for example “Kodi Burns” and others. It seemed Gus was afraid to hire any offensive coaches who might know more than him and his offenses suffered for it. There were also innumerable moments where he looked like he had no clue as to who should be a starter, I forget the RB name but he was like 4th string and then Roc Thomas transferd and a series of things happened that brought the 4th string Rb to starter and he was amazing, he sat the bench for two years before this but seemed he was the best of the bunch and Gus didn’t know? Look at all the QB talent that came and went never to develop under Gus. There have been so many times I wondered wth is Gus doing?! Gus will get a nice severance check so stop feeling bad for the guy, he wasn’t fired for anything other than a lack of consistency and when you are getting paid big money like that, consistency is a must.
Josh... are you stocking me? I’m an Auburn fan at Kennesaw state.... but I’m not a big fan of the movr
He's pretty darn good, whatever team gets him next will be a lucky one. BUT could we say Gus saw it coming? His reaction after the Mississippi State wasn't so happy even though they won. He's not a failure, when you have to play Saban and Kirby Smart every year. I'm telling you, we'll be at best the same under the new coach as what we were under Gus. That's just the way it'll happen. War Eagle!
Bad move by Auburn. How are they going to find another coach that has so much influence on the officials. Auburn's true ending record should be 4 and 6. But thanks to the SEC officials, it's 6 and 4.
As am LSU man ...I'm going to miss him you could always bet on Gus to blow a lead
Clemson recruits the same area ad well...
Josh, I will forever hail you as a god amongst men if you're right about James Franklin to Auburn. I've been completely consumed with HC search rumors the past 24 hours and haven't seen James Franklin's name once
It's not about him being a failure it's about when the other schools around you begin to emerge like Florida and like Texas A&M. It's starting to be too many irons in the fire and Auburn looks like they're starting to slip. If they don't get a good coach with a good offensive Playbook they will not recover from this for a long time
Imagine being 0-12 against Bama/LSU/UGA and then blaming everything in Covid 😂
Talking like he is the head coach of UAB or Troy. This is AUBURN! We expect top 15 play!
Glad he is gone.
Urban Meyers or Freeze should be a good choice 💪🏾
The way this season has been, no AD should not fire any coaches. I wonder if Petrino, or Freeze, or Lashlee is who their eyes are on right now. Bob Stoops and Urban Meyer are not realistic options unless they feel it's a great opportunity and worth returning to football.
I just don't see how you can put georgia, texas a&m, and even lsu above Auburn. Gus has beaten saban more than those 3 teams last 2 combined.
So it’s just “beat Saban?” That’s all you want, beat Saban, maybe four of ten seasons. Wow. What a mindset the general AU fan has.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 If you can beat Saban, then usually you can defeat a lot of other teams.
@@mynamedoesntmatter8652 gus was 3-4 against saban. Gus has gotten just as close to a ring as kirby smart. Jimbo and ed o have not separated themselves from Gus. The years they won a ring they barely beat Gus.
Beating Saban shouldn't be Auburn's big goal every year...Besides, you're going to beat your arch rival from time to time...Recruiting against GA, LSU and TX A&M, not to mention Bama, is what makes the Auburn job so difficult.
@@freedomrider266 bit what about teams that don't? Lsu and texas am both had 8 game losing streaks to bama and uga is just pathetic being in the east and still not winning a ring. Auburn is right behind bama, ohio st, clemson, and probably 2 or 3 more sec teams on any given year. Theres not much room to be better.
How much total cash did he end up getting over the 8 years?
Big Auburn Fan! I don’t think Gus failed at AU. He also couldn’t win Major Bowl Games and lost 12 games in a row on the road vs UAT, THUGA & LSWho. That’s not good. Auburn can win bigger than Clemson. Clemson used to be Auburn’s little brother. Auburn has the best community culture in America. The Auburn Family is special. We need a new coach and recruit with an HC with 5 years of job security. Next Year’s Auburn Class will be in the Top 10 for sure. I have heard from insiders that Jimmy Rane is going to push Big Game Bob Stoops to tell Auburn no. Yes, facility upgrades need to happen at Auburn. War Eagle!
Yes! 100% behind Bob Stoops
I'm all for Bob Stoops. But I would love to see a dynamic offensive coordinator to go come along with him.
auburn wants hugh freeze cause he beat bama 2 times in a row..he also left ole miss on probation, and had a losing record against bama..malzhan could be a conference champion in a smaller conference..con-usa mountain west..etc
Long time rumor is that Bama already has the replacement for Saban. Supposedly written in this guy's contract a few years ago.
Dabo Swinney.
If that happens, Bama will be almost unbeatable.
Good luck Auburn and WDE!
Who in the last 8 years has beaten Saban THREE times?
There was more to it than that. 2-7 vs Georgia. 0-12 in Baton Rouge, Athens, and Tuscaloosa. Being absolutely OWNED by that overgrown child in Athens. Up until this year, being owned by that muttering incoherent cookie monster in Louisiana. Crapping out in bowl games. Losing to Minnesota, Central Florida, and Wisconsin. Caring more about his contract extension than prepping for the SEC Championship in 2017. Letting Georgia, a team they had just blown out 3 weeks earlier, return the favor in embarrassing fashion. Then making Central Florida look like the Kansas City Chiefs in the bowl game. The program needs to be about more than Iron Bowl wins.
And how many times did Bama win it all with that 1 L that auburn gave em. It doesn't matter who auburn has aslong as saben is in the SEC. And I am a life long Auburn fan
I agree with all that but everyone is going to look up the street to saben and say "why cant we be that". And we both know it. And if you can convince me of someone that can do all that u talked about. Aka in auburn money range I'll be on board.
He was not a failure at Auburn. And by the way, how's Auburn been doing since Coach Malzahn was fired?
In the future, 4-7 will be a good Auburn season. It won't be considered a good season but compared to most years it will be a good record.
I imagine Hugh Freeze is on the Auburn AD's speed dial.
He shouldn't have hired Chad Morris. I mean i'm glad his garbage offense has been proven ineffective once again. But now any OC is an upgrade so they will inevitably be better next year.
He isn't a failure. He had eight years to produce and couldn't cut it. Auburn recruiting wasn't bad either. He had eight years and Auburn grew tired of him. Already knew he was out the door before they fired him. And by the way it wasn't just him. Auburn cleaned house and hired 7 coaches. It wasn't just him.
Name another coach that has defeated Saban 3 times. Granted, he’s had more chances than many, but taking down #1 Bama twice and #5 Bama once is some serious cachet.
And yet he could only get a chance at a national championship only one of his eight seasons. Other teams, such as Clemson and Georgia, have consistently had greater seasons and chances at the championship.
@@lintlickerben Georgia's east conference was weak all those years. All they had to do to get into the Natty was beat Bama in the SEC championship, and I don't remember them actually even doing that.
@@lintlickerben Georgia has only played for the natty once in that time frame and Clemson is in a different conference. UGA is almost over Smart now. I get what you’re saying, though. Auburn is in a tough situation. No one going to come in and suddenly take over the west while Saban is still coaching. If he wins just 4 of the 12 road games against Bama, UGA, and LSU, then he is still coaching.
@@timothycarter5871 they beat us almost every year Gus was coach at AU. Their seasons mostly were much higher in W/L ratio.
@@tonycrabtree3416 We need our miracle coach to put Saban down once and for all lol. We can hope, but who knows what'll happen now. But I'm okay with taking the risk of firing Gus
I can't stand James Franklin, so it's only fitting that he gets hired.
That would be a beast hire tho
@@dangerousdylan6262 what's happening at Penn State now? It's a lateral move at best. Bring him.
You can have Franklin for free
Maybe they could get Will Muschamp. He knows his way around the SEC pretty well!
I smell Urban esque influence meaning URBAN MEYER.... Just wait.... Double Dragon coming in full effect.... 2021 is gonna get wild....
37 seconds it’s been up. 😂
I am not an Auburn fan so my opinion may not be meaningful. I do not think he was a failure. I am surprised he was fired. I think these schools make coaching changes and frequently find out later that it was a mistake. This season is a very strange season. Playing an all SEC schedule with limited preparation, I would think that alone makes this being a bad year to make this move. . .
This was not a bad coach. His win ratio is better than Auburn's all-time win percentage. Auburn better hope that they a proven coach ready. Otherwise they might get what they deserve.
He failed at player development. The list of losses against teams that average 2 and 3 star players (UCF, Minnesota, South Carolina, etc.) goes on. Given the resources and support that Auburn provides, he should never be that consistent in failure against lesser teams.
Franklin and Malzahn both lost to Minnesota in 2019. Respectively, 31-26 and 31-24. Are those two points the difference? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills or something.
Good man. He will do well.Freeze are bust.
I think Gus’ first year he was really able to give it all he had and put everything out there without having the risk of being criticized for every move he made.
Barners live in fantasy land. They want to be as great as Alabama so but don't realize that is impossible. They would be better off putting their focus on becoming a basketball school and accepting reality.
Problem with Malzahn wasn't necessarily the losses to Bama, UGA, and LSU. It was losing to the SC and Tenn's of the world. The Minn and UCF's.
How about going vintage with Phil Fulmer , Larry Coker , Lou Holtz , or John Robinson ?.