Best Beginner Airplane: Cessna 150 or Piper PA-38 Tomahawk. In-Depth Review!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- For any beginner pilot its crucial to find the best small aircraft, safest small plane and cheapest airplane to buy! In this video we compare cessna 150 vs piper pa-38 tomahawk, two very popular small airplanes. Watch this video to find out which one is best for you!
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I've flown both. I found each had avantages but overall I felt the PA-38 was more spirited and I loved the visibility.
I would pick the Tomahawk any time 😊 Did some crazy crosswind landings with it.
I flew both and liked far better the Tomahawk
Great job 👏 👍. I own a 1978 Piper Tomahawk PA38 112 and love it.
Realistically, what's your climb rate on a hot day? I'm an independent CFII in the Phoenix Valley, and I really want my own airplane. I've done a lot of research but haven't flown a PA-38... I would never want a 150 though. Could never meet the 200ft per nm for IFR if it's over 90 degrees.
@@colinboone9920 I have the average climb of 400fpm to 500fpm on hot days if you use the correct weight and balance, density altitude charts. The Tomahawk PA38 112 is a plane that makes the pilot use his piloting skills fully with all the charts. If charts and understanding the individual planes characteristics are understood and felt. An amazing aircraft to own and fly. Basic and affordable is what you get and can take you places inexpensively. The visibility and cabin space is unmatched for a small aircraft. I've invested in a electronic ignition system Surefly Impulse magneto and Aspen Evolution PDF Pro 1000. I now get 4gph but flight plan for 6gph and have better situational awareness with my Aspen Evolution PDF Pro 1000.❤😊
@@colinboone9920 Yes it will. Have to be careful with weight and balance. Some Tommy owners will sacrifice fuel/more stops/leave earlier than their counterparts to arrive at the same time. Simple and economical is the PA38 112
My PA38 112 climbs about 400 to 500fpm on 90 degree days easily.
@@keithhoward9238 Thank you!
Just looking at the two planes speaks for itself...the Tomahawk is really elegant looking even today.
I made my first solo flight with him...30 years ago :)
AWESOME VIDEO !! 👍👌✨
Do a full series, like this one, one episode each, for like for like planes, in size etc, in the main brands of Cessna, Beechcraft, Piper, Cirrus & Tecnam.
Like this entry level catagory, repeat this episode but add the above additional brands for episode 1.
Then repeat, each time covering the next model up, and compare all above models !
Great work !
Looking forward to your next video ✨
Thank you so much! Great idea!
where are those Tomahawks? have never seen so nice ones
Hi, I really like your videos. They are professionally made and very interesting if you are into aviation. I hope your channel grows and you can improve your channel reach. I'm from Germany, and for me, and I think for a lot of other people from Europe, it would be nice if you could provide the specs in the metric system, as we have no idea what a pound, for example, is. :)
Hi there! Thank you so much for the kind words, i really appreciate it and its really heartwarming, especially when youtube algorithm might not favor my small channel. Ill be adding specs in metric units from now on!
I've owned both
Okay, what is your opinion about the two? Which one for which use and for who (rookie, experienced pilot, etc)?
@@Cuccos19 the 10 is more tame and easier for a low time pilot, the PA-38 has more room, better visibility, more fuel capacity, a better panel layout, and more fun to fly
@@sinistersilverado965Yessir
670fpm is about 300% more than the 150 actually gets. You're lucky if you get 300fpm through 3000ft.
What about cabin width? Do you have any figures?
I think it's an important factor for the training environment.
If you are a heavy set or an elderly person getting in and out of C150 is an acrobatic exercise. By the time you get in and sit down you may already be tired and have cramps in various places on your body. On the other hand getting in and out is a breeze when we're talking about Tomahawk. Also interior of Tomahawk feels much roomier and panel design is better. Especially manual flaps are a pleasure to use on Tomahawks compared to electrical flaps on C150. High wing design is not something I like even though it may be great for the passenger since the viewing outside scenery towards the earth is easier and wide angle. But from the perspective of a pilot, when I am flying and get into a bank I'd like to be able to see the direction I am turning. Unfortunately high wing design blocks that view. It's like driving on a pitch black night in your car with your headlights turned off. If you're turning towards a danger you'll know when it comes right in front of you.. Ask yourselves this: How many modern era aircraft you see with high wings... If you want a small feeling docile aircraft get C150. Sportier, more agile aircraft you want? Then look at a Tomahawk!
The Tomahawk cabin is quite a bit wider than the Cessna. I don't comfortably fit a C150, but at 6'2", 220#, the Tomahawk is quite comfy. I've flown mine from NJ to Sun N Fun, and to Oshkosh, with not problems. The Tomahawk's cabin width is roughly the same as a Cherokee.
@@mikefriedman2481 Thanks
The first airplane I owned was a Tomahawk, fun times!
Be nice if they installed retractable in tomahawk
For a few knots gained the long term expense goes up drastically. I want rook pilots to have fewer things to worry about not more, lol. This was built to be a trainer. When I trained in it the hourly cost was $56 including avgas and an instructor, lol. How god and Piper intended.
Excellent comparison. Facts and figures given for both planes are useful for real personal information. Extremely educational while being entertaining. Thank you!
Thank you so much for the kind words! Really appreciate it!
I have flown the C150/152 and the Beechcraft Skipper which is very similar to the Tomahawk in my training days ... the Cessna is my choice and did my first greaser landing in it after months of trying to get good landings in the Skipper ... it gave me the confidence that I can nail it.
I have time in both the Skipper and the Tomahawk. While they do look very similar, they fly nothing alike at all. The Skipper is typical Beachcraft, heavy and stable feeling, and if you can get it to spin it will enter over the top. The Tomahawk is lighter feeling and more responsive, but a little trickier in some areas and you have to keep after it in flight. Both are good planes and I prefer either to the C150/152.
C-15x are good planes but if you want to fly really put you in a PA-22 Colt (O-235C1B 107Hp) or PA-38 Tomahawk (O-235L1 112 Hp) and you don't need more.
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SEMI MONOCOQUE , a structure type
Those damned PA-38 s are dangerous. I was a CFI and damn near got killed trying the pipers spin characteristics. Also, it isn't worth crap for soft field take-offs. And that much plexi glass will cause a pilot to be roasted while taxiing around on a sunny day.
There were so many urban legends about the Tomahawk's safety, that the AOPA Air Safety Foundation actually wrote an entire book on the subject and debunked virtually all of them. The plane spins quite conventionally and recovers quickly IF you use the procedure in the POH. It is unlike the Cessna in that it will not recover on its own "hands off", you have to apply anti-spin control inputs. Otherwise, it's a great little plane with excellent visibility and handling. I've owned two of them, a 79 and an 81 (Tomahawk II), and both behave quite well. There is a RUclips video of the NASA spin testing if you're interested: ruclips.net/video/3b9etPV_yVQ/видео.html
As for soft fields, yes the T tail is limiting in that you can't lift the nose until you have flying speed since the elevator is out of the prop wash. Too much elevator to early in the takeoff roll will just add drag and reduce acceleration. Also, the early planes had tiny 5" wheels which dragged a big in taller or bumpy grass. The Tomahawk II, and many converted early models, use larger 6" tires which work well on grass. Still, I've flown both of mine from 2000' grass runways without any drama. Like everything in aviation, you just have to learn the proper technique for the equipment you're using.
@@mikefriedman2481well said 👏
Dangerous ? The pilot, not the plane 😬
If you want to scare yourself, go up in an Axe handle, put it into a spin then turnaround and look at the tail. It’ll be flapping around like crazy and will put you off ever doing it again! The 152 evened up the playing field and most people voted with their wallets on to which one was best.