Robert, thanks for putting your usual high quality, informative, entertaining and witty twist on the news about all things sustainable. 😀 Hope you, your family, and all the Fully Charged team, have a great week.
Always told that the grid in Ontario Canada isn’t capable of handling charging a large number of EVs and I have to remind them that most people charge their cars while they sleep and the grid is under utilized.
If Mr Elon lets me install Serenity City terra tunnel power plant under outside perimeter of parking of his next Canadian factory DA GRIDS peaks an valleys are history like ice is …..# 4:29
That's why I invest in Invinity Energy Systems and Advanced Metallurgical group. Invinity Energy Systems builds Vanadium Redox Flow Batteries and Advanced Metallurgical Group recycles waste into Vanadium for the cheapest price and also is building the first Lithium Hydroxide factory in Europe inside Germany, next to the biggest carmakers. It's all about the demand that is going to multiply in the next decade.
These types seem not to realise that no ICE car goes 1000 miles on a tank of gas either. My ICE cars go about 300 miles on a tank. And the new crop of electric cars are getting really close to that range now.
Where does our fuel come from? In Australia, probably Saudi Arabia, via a refinery in Singapore. Then sold to us from companies that pay no tax in this country.
Whoah, hang on a minute. James May and Richard Hammond are pro-electric car, it's only Clarkson who doesn't like them. James May has a Tesla and a Toyota Mirai (a brand new one in fact). And James May is a fan of your channel. Why not watch some Drivetribe or speak directly to James May? Or have him on. I'd love to see that episode.
They like talking to industry people, not petrolheaded (in the sense that they like fast cars, even if electric) fans. Sorry, I don't know much about James May; I assumed he likes fast cars, but maybe he actually does programs on small, efficient cars? I don't know. But what I do know is that he's not worth an interview. He's just a driver. He's not even Sandy Munro. And Sandy also isn't worth an interview because he reviews cars after the fact, not leading an industrial revolution or something.
@@موسى_7 James May is very famous. Top Gear was the most watched non-fiction television show in the world in its heyday. You could walk into a cafe in the middle of Jordan and find the show on dubbed into the local language. I'm talking to you from Australia where TG was absolutely massive, and even non-car fans watched the show. It was a chief cultural export of Britain. If you specifically want to reach Jeremy Clarkson (who Bobby is ranting about) and dispel faulty ideas, a good place to start would be through one of his primary colleagues.
@@johnknight9150 If you watch James May's superb Drivetribe video comparing his own BEV and Fuel Cell cars you'll see his views on their merits aren't on message with the presenter of this video. Dont expect to see someone on here who is even moderately pro-fuel cell.
Excellent rant!!! It is super dishonest, yet it's repeated ad nauseam by people who seem to have suddenly made burning fossil fuels a part of their newly found religion.
On the other hand there are some who say that Cirencester should be pronounced "Sisiter", but none of the locals say that. They might say "Ciren" (pronounced "siren") for short.
Loving the show. One point though, I’m Scottish, but I know how to pronounce Leominster properly 🤪 Keep up the brilliant work, and good luck England in the footie.
On a similar theme, no-one ever bangs on about where the minerals for the batteries in your phones, watches, laptops, tablets, or computers come from, do they?
You are absolutely correct: so it rather amusing to see all those joining in the extinction rebellion protests, going home to all their electronic products and wardobes of clothes made as a by product of the petro chemical industry. Personally, I welcome all electric cars. Living on the edge of a city, it is dreadful walking alongside conjested roads full of ICE vehicles. Nevertheless, a great deal of harm is caused by mining minerals for batteries.
@@richardlinares6314 I think it's hard to do this without using those phonetic characters because it depends on what your current accent is. Chee-leh chee-lay could be right to my ear.
If you're speaking Spanish, it's "chee-lay"; if you're speaking English it's "chill-ee". You don't HAVE TO pronounce placenames the same way people who live there pronounce it, especially if they speak a different language or have a different accent.
@@bencodykirk I agree, although as the world gets more connected I think we'll have to tend towards a common way to speak of names. My name gets mispronounced all the time in my home country and I don't mind much but I love it when someone there gets it correct. I think it is interesting to see how English speaking people react to mispronunciations of their names or towns to see how much they appreciate it when others make an effort to get it right.
I love a good anti-big oil rant, Robert... I can assure you, your news episodes are rarely boring; indeed they are often better than the interview episodes, given that most of the people you interview are not accustomed to speaking to a large audience in a friendly and breezy manner. Thumbs up for more longer form newsisodes.
I was discussing electric chargers with someone who said that there weren't any electric chargers near where we were. We were sat on the grass in front of an Opera house in the centre of town, this opera house had a underground car park beneath it. In this underground car park they had a couple of electric car recharge stations. So this friend of mine was sat above an electric car recharge station and was convinced that there wasn't a recharge station anywhere near.
Too many are still far from mass scale up. Another 10-20 years and it will be impossible to fight against the move away from fossil fuels, excepting the industries for which larger amounts of energy are needed. ie many passenger long distance electric jets and electric naval container shipping/haulage. Even trucks are a serious question mark until LiO2 batteries are cracked, and perhaps advanced structural batteries for good measure. Structural batteries are the next revolution for EVs in my opinion. Researchers see a path to a breakthrough of a material as strong as but lighter than aluminium, but 70% the energy density per kg of Li ion within 2 years - that would give vehicles using it in place of structural metal a 'free' boost to their batteries due to sharing a use of structural material and battery.
Hydrogen is not only about keeping the fuel industry, but also they want to keep whole the IC engine, oil and spare parts industry. So for sure we should stay away from hydrogen as much as possible.
Concrete 🔋🔋- imagine the likes of Paddington, Waterloo or Euston Railway Stations, that, when undergoing a major revamp, incorporated solar onto the roof and concrete batteries into the new Station platforms and concourses. Of course, this concept could easily apply to airports and other such infrastructure hubs adding to the sustainability of public transport systems. Perhaps the conductive mesh could also be applied in the construction of transportation tunnels.
Use for the concrete battery.. Upgrade the airfields in the Orkneys and Shetlands with Concrete battery/runways charged by wind trubines, refueling short haul aircraft using battery electric prop engines. For that matter, you could appply similar concept to relatively remote areas in the US such as the Dakotas and Montanna to charge the concrete parking areas of supercharger sites in areas where the grid is not reliable, but a local wind source could keep the battery charged.
Hydrogen has never made sense... not even for trains... until you just explained it.... misinformation from the oil industry. Concrete has enormous amounts of embodied energy. I have spent 30 years trying to minimise concrete and steel in structures - after you have finished big oil please try big concrete.
Yeah hydrogen the gas that surrounds us doesn't make sense but lithion iron batteries do that will wear out and cannot be recycled so will end up in a landfill site.
@@philabrahams383 . It's cheaper to get lithium from batteries than sourcing dirt from big he in far flung places. J B Straubel for one knows this. It's about scaling up
Agreed, Maybe someone could enlighten me, but is there any hydrogen production process that is either more efficient than about 30-40% (Electrolysis of water) or that doesn't consume fossil fuels whilst generating CO, or CO2 or other undesirable by-products? OK, it can be generated from ammonia, but how is that made? What is the overall energy balance sheet of raw ingredients + energy to hydrogen for any process? If it isn't about 80-90% (renewable electricity to EV motor) then it's wasteful or dirty or uneconomic or all three.
Had exactly the same argument with my sister about EV range! She may only be 7 years older than me but talks and thinks like there's a generation gap! It's like talking to the Muppet that buys a huge 4x4 SUV thing because "we might go camping and would need it" FFS! Tell me sister how often do you drive from Manchester to London, go round the M25, and come home again without ever stopping? And how much is the fuel in the petrol pump that you have in your driveway? Ohh you don't have one? You mean currently you have to drive somewhere to fuel your vehicle? Pffft that's inconvenient, how long does that take? Exactly why don't you want to put solar panels on your huge roof and never have to pay for fuel ever again? Ohh because they only last 20 years. Hmm I see, so 20 years free fuel isn't worth it. Got it.
😆😆 She sounds a bit like a bloke who I've been conversing with on Twitter recently who (truly) thinks that it's a waste of time for the UK to try to do anything whatsoever about climate change because India and China are doing so little and are two of the biggest polluting countries in the world; oh! and that wearing of face 😷 in public doesn't stop infection so why should he wear one to go shopping etc....
Oi, who are you calling a Muppet? Luckily, my sister, who is also almost 7 years older than me is chomping at the bit to buy an electric VW ID.Buzz, when they come out of course!
Feel free to borrow my Peugeot e208 Robert, haven't visited a single public charge point that I haven't had problems with yet in over 6 months of ownership, the public charging infrastructure still needs quite a bit of polishing before it's seamless for everyone and I'm hoping Gridserve accomplishes this
Unlikely. Most of the time when you do that it's plaster and brickwork you anchor it to. In fact plenty of houses don't use too much concrete at all besides the foundation work. Concrete is itself not so great for the environment (producing the solid form from the raw materials that is), there is a lot of R&D going on to find better materials for it at the moment.
“Their knackered old high horses..” Brilliant, Robert! And how many of us were, stylus in hand, poised to roar “Seamless charging - just like Teslas have had for the last ten years” when you gently put us down!
Hydrogen is certainly useful to reduce greenhouse gases and optimize steel and fertilizer production. I agree with you, given the current hydrogen steam reforming process, replacing fuel with hydrogen in trucks and cars is very risky to increase or dependance on grey Hydrogen sources
Big problem in Uk is home charging. There are lots of inner city areas of terraced houses make it almost impossible to do home chargeing , the only alternative to them is being ripped off on commercial chargers.
Very curious about the cycle life for the concrete battery technology! That and changes in structural properties as it is charged and discharged throughout its life. Interesting stuff!
Had my TM3 for 3 years now and never had to charge away from home. I only used the Tesla Supercharger as I had 1000 mile free charge which was time limited to 6 months
Nikki Gordon Bloomfield @ Transport Evolved is doing that 3000 mile trip almost as we speak! Edit : ah Robert I do so love your rants, saves me doing it out loud, I just chuckle and snort and wave a supportive fist in my head! 🤣😅✊👍 Another brilliantly subtle (!) episode, really enjoyed it and so far no critics.. hurrah! Well apart from the brilliant feat of memory, not! Totally sympathise with that problem! 😂 Like you I used to love those car programmes and I do believe some of the presenters actually have enough nouse to realise things have to change so I don't understand 💷 why they're still promoting the bad over the good.... Or maybe they aren't, I haven't watched their programmes since they became too juvenile and destructive for even my warped sense of humour! Great piece Robert, thanks, all the dedicated effort and hard work is much appreciated in this quarter of Kent, slightly East of Maidstone 😂 🤣
Hydrogen is bad also because its use is very inefficient. It also takes Oxygen from the air and releases water into the environment, the evaporation of which will increase moisture content of the atmosphere ... which is worse than greenhouse gases ... In contrast, EVs are ~80% efficient from solar panel to wheel and don't mess with the atmosphere at all.
Green hydrogen, if you can get it, starts with water and ends with water. I know of no analysis that suggests that driving on hydrogen increases the planets humidity to any significant degree
I always thought it was "va- nay-dee-um". Yes, looking on Wikipedia, the pronunciation is listed as "(və-NAY-dee-əm)". So, not just a long "A" there, but that's also where the stress ought to go too. Edit: And "Leominster" is pronounced "Lemster" as well. One of those funny old English placenames where the spelling and pronunciation only have a passing resemblance to each other.
The international standard also known as 'Plug & Charge' but the chargers and the cars need to support it and the billing system. The Mach-e supports it along with a few other cars currently but it will grow and then the fast chargers(DC) will be the same as Tesla experience. Nice to hear about the battery growth at Grid level as well.
2:43 I'm having RedDwarf flashbacks and I can't stop laughing KRY! Thanks for the many many laughs since the 80s. Back to the video of today. You are a living LEGEND!!!
Robert, you are an absolute delight! You say what we're all thinking when these boobies yammer on about lithium production and batteries on landfills. THANK YOU!
EDF's interest in batteries is not so much in making money, but in _not_ _losing_ money. Nuclear power plants suffer most when the wholesale price goes negative. In fact they are the main reason this happens in the first place because it takes literally hours, sometimes days to shut them down or start them up, so they simply cannot react to changes in demand quickly enough.
When you and I were small there were people who really hated the demise of steam power. They probably drooled over the latest locomotive "This 2-10-0 P2 is the most powerful locomotive ever made whisking you from London to Edinburgh in under 8 hours..." and compare coal efficiency and how much water per 100 miles it went through. Fascinating though I find steam engines, they have never got anywhere near the speed and efficiency of Deutschbahn ICE or French TGV (or even Eurostar). Of course 125s were a useful in-between technology but ... No surprise then, that the same sort of people are trying to keep horses as ...er... combustion engines as their preferred mode of personal travel. There will always be some who want to be stuck in the past as the past seems to be a safe place as opposed to the undiscovered country of the future. And what will replace batteries and electric vehicles? Thats either science fiction or a case of wait and see. One step at a time.
RANT ALERT . . . . RANT ALERT . . . .RANT ALERT I love it when you rant Robert, please don't stop. And good luck with the Leaf. I would love a new battery for my old Leaf. It will happen, one day. 🚙
@Name not supplied I'm not normally big on conspiracy theories, but given the oil industries past record on seriously dirty deeds, that seems entirely likely.
As the crow flies, the distance from Land's End to John O'Groats is 603 miles or 970 kilometres. Of course, you won't be able to drive as the crow flies. The most direct route by car would take you on the road for 15 hours over a distance of 837 miles or 1350 kilometres.
A minor clarification on London's electric buses. It's a BYD battery and drivetrain inside a ADL bus built in Scotland. That's for the #43 that goes past me, the first full EV double decker route. There is another bus supplier to TfL's bus contractors, Optare, and the first double decker route they converted to EV was the #134. I know little about the drivetrain which comes from ZF who are German with much Chinese manufacturing - I'd be surprised if the battery wasn't Chinese. All 300 single decker buses working in central London should be converted to EV, if not by now, then soon. The conversion of the whole fleet is pretty glacial, probably just on natural turnover. It ought to be accelerated. I fear converting the bus stations is harder than changing the buses.
My Toyota Camry only has 450 mile range so the 1,000 mile battery range would be tremendous. I have once driven 2,600 miles in 77 hours in Canada April 6-9, 2018 but the 3,000 miles in a day stated as possible here in video is absurd. Most I ever went in 24 hours in Canada was 2,200 km (1,380 miles, same trip) and that was a big final push April 8/9, 2018, actually 2,850 km (1,800 miles) in 31 hours.
I remember working in Archway (North London) for a few years and it was disgusting blowing my nose and finding all that soot from the Bus station there, so I am all for electric/hydrogen vehicles.
In September 2016, a once in 50-year storm damaged critical infrastructure in South Australia, causing a state-wide blackout. In response, together with the South Australian Government and Neoen, Tesla installed the world’s largest lithium-ion battery, the 100MW Hornsdale Power Reserve. In 2020, the world's first big battery is now bigger. Increased by 50% to 150MW, it continues to support the grid and provide frequency control, supporting South Australia's sustainable future.
Sorry to disappoint you Robert, but I went to see the work being done at the Redbridge charging hub 5 days ago, and there is nothing to see because there is no work in progress at all. So why is everyone still on about a charging hub that is not there.?
Finally! Someone is finally telling the world that the "hydrogen economy" is "Fossil Fuels II". Hydrogen can also be extracted through steam gassification with coal.
Or it can be mined from water with about as much effort. Well, less actually - it takes a lot of power currently for electrolysis of water, but its a damn sight simpler than breaking down gas or oil. That being said there is a lot of work to make and refine 'photocatalysts' that when mixed with water in the presence of light make electrolysis much more energy efficienct and could make a hydrogen economy much more ecologically and economically viable.
You're skipping water purification. That really kills the efficiency. And creates its own problems. It's all inefficient. Electricity is efficient charging batteries. It takes very little energy to take a formulation like C8H18 (gasoline) and turn it into 8CO2 + 9H2. There is already a mature industry in place that has the infrastructure to deliver hydrogen in industrial and consumer quantities. You're buying into propaganda that the automakers are falsely selling. None of the things you talk about exist at industrial scale, and wouldn't be able to get loans to do because of the ultra cheap competition from the fossil fuel industry. The economic reality is that there will never be a clean consumer hydrogen economy. The only economy will be the existing fossil fuel one out competing any new competitors.
@@mnomadvfx You are also skipping the politicians trying to save jobs and their rich friends income. Also skipping that countries that make their money by exporting fossil fuels, have powerful plutocrats connected to the government who do not want to see that easy money go extinct. Russia just discovered new, untapped oil fields in Siberia in 2007. They REALLY want to sell that oil, and they REALLY work to own politicians and political parties that keep that dream alive. I see the world in full systems. Not quanta that can easily be divided up and just easily manipulated. Fossil fuels have massive economic and political momentum, and leaving them any opening to exploit is a massive mistake.
To be fair, before all this save the planet fever gripped the world, nobody worried about where from or how any materials arrived into the products we used. I do agree anyone commenting on this should be balanced about it.
Please use a manual aperture on your camera so your background doesn't bounce up and down in brightness when you wave your arms in front. Driving me crazy...
@@snowstrobe I guess to reach more people for the podcast. Through RUclips, not just the usual podcast apps. You could compare the visual to the webcam you see at radio stations.
Excuse my French, as we say around here, but Governments can piss around all that they want (I'm looking at both Austrailia and the UK) but once something starts to make financial sense, it will get done regardless of government policy. This is why windfarms, batteries, solar and other renewables will continue to grow quickly... Personally I'm looking forward to seeing the compressed air storage kick off big style.
Well done Gridserve on the Charge n go system your introducing. I’m flabbergasted that no other charging companies have came up with a Tesla like smart communication charging system as every car does a ‘handshake’ with the charger therefore will have a signature. On the 2030 deadline, I think this will NATURALLY come into force much earlier because of the loss in value of your ice cars after 2025 so nobody will buy one if it’s gonna plummet like a brick once bought. As well as many cities and towns starting to ban diesel cars this year onwards and older petrol cars.
The Electric Highway in USA have been doing something similar with Ford. I wonder what happens when your debit/credit card expires, hopefully there'll be an app to allow you to change it
The technology is part of the same protocol that CCS cars use to negotiate their rapid charge. A DC rapid charger needs the car to tell it what voltage it needs, what current it needs, what its state of charge is etc. One of the other things already included in the protocol is Plug & Charge, where the vehicle can identify itself to the charger and, if the charger recognises it, start the charge and automatically bill the associated account. Not all cars (and only a few chargers) are capable of this right now, with VW group and Ford leading the charge (pun intended). I'm glad Gridserve are putting in the work to get this going at scale.
Don’t forget that cobalt is also used in your nice green refining industry. But it’s not dug out of the ground by children with their teeth :-). Oh no! They are given shovels.
Seen on campsite “PLEASE NOTE WE CANNOT ACCEPT CUSTOMERS WITH ELECTRIC CARS DUE TO THE LACK OF CHARGING POINTS CHARGING AT OUR CARAVAN IS NOT PERMITTED”
I mean, that's fair enough if the campsite is not set up with a large grid connection. Not a problem for most drivers, can just top up at a nearby rapid charger for 15 minutes before driving to the campsite.
Just thinking….. what if someone steals your EV…. How are they prevented from charging it up on their journey if you can just plug it in and go?? Maybe if a reported stolen car could automatically inform police of the cars location?? You heard it here first👍⚡️⚡️⚡️
At least with my electric car, I can see where the car is at any moment on my app, and I can set the maximum speed way down. Alternatively, you can just stop payment on the card that your car is attached to
Concrete batteries, humn........ Is this why giga Berlin is building such mega thick Concrete slabs for their battery plant, power storage for the plant!
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Lol Steve Bezos! Oh, that was priceless!
Jeff who? 😂
But he remembered! ;)
Jobs and Bezo mash up !
No wonder people asked Jeff who??
It's STEVE actually.....!!!!!
Hahahaha.... Priceless
I think Jeff Jobs passed away.
Robert, thanks for putting your usual high quality, informative, entertaining and witty twist on the news about all things sustainable. 😀
Hope you, your family, and all the Fully Charged team, have a great week.
Brilliant! This rant episode was right on the money.
Always told that the grid in Ontario Canada isn’t capable of handling charging a large number of EVs and I have to remind them that most people charge their cars while they sleep and the grid is under utilized.
If Mr Elon lets me install Serenity City terra tunnel power plant under outside perimeter of parking of his next Canadian factory DA GRIDS peaks an valleys are history like ice is …..# 4:29
From Australia, the EV desert, excellent rant. Robert your podcasts are always entertaining and humorous.
That's why I invest in Invinity Energy Systems and Advanced Metallurgical group. Invinity Energy Systems builds Vanadium Redox Flow Batteries and Advanced Metallurgical Group recycles waste into Vanadium for the cheapest price and also is building the first Lithium Hydroxide factory in Europe inside Germany, next to the biggest carmakers.
It's all about the demand that is going to multiply in the next decade.
Yeah they are building it close to my old home town.
Redox looks good for mass power backup. Hope the investments work out.
Massive bladder man - brilliant, material sourcing of ice cars spot on. Excellent podcast really enjoyed it.
These types seem not to realise that no ICE car goes 1000 miles on a tank of gas either. My ICE cars go about 300 miles on a tank. And the new crop of electric cars are getting really close to that range now.
Where does our fuel come from?
In Australia, probably Saudi Arabia, via a refinery in Singapore. Then sold to us from companies that pay no tax in this country.
Brilliant rant Robert, you are really questioning the gravy train of the ICE dinosaurs.
I wish all your podcasts were as enjoyable as this one. Stick to what you're good at Robert - RANTS! Loved it.
Brilliant vlog Robert - factual, humorous and entertaining as usual
Whoah, hang on a minute. James May and Richard Hammond are pro-electric car, it's only Clarkson who doesn't like them. James May has a Tesla and a Toyota Mirai (a brand new one in fact). And James May is a fan of your channel. Why not watch some Drivetribe or speak directly to James May? Or have him on. I'd love to see that episode.
They like talking to industry people, not petrolheaded (in the sense that they like fast cars, even if electric) fans.
Sorry, I don't know much about James May; I assumed he likes fast cars, but maybe he actually does programs on small, efficient cars? I don't know. But what I do know is that he's not worth an interview.
He's just a driver. He's not even Sandy Munro. And Sandy also isn't worth an interview because he reviews cars after the fact, not leading an industrial revolution or something.
@@موسى_7 James May is very famous. Top Gear was the most watched non-fiction television show in the world in its heyday. You could walk into a cafe in the middle of Jordan and find the show on dubbed into the local language. I'm talking to you from Australia where TG was absolutely massive, and even non-car fans watched the show. It was a chief cultural export of Britain.
If you specifically want to reach Jeremy Clarkson (who Bobby is ranting about) and dispel faulty ideas, a good place to start would be through one of his primary colleagues.
@@johnknight9150 If you watch James May's superb Drivetribe video comparing his own BEV and Fuel Cell cars you'll see his views on their merits aren't on message with the presenter of this video. Dont expect to see someone on here who is even moderately pro-fuel cell.
@@SteveJones-om6ks There have been pro-hydrogen videos on Fully Charged before. Bobby's just in a mood.
James May has I think got rid of the Mirai
Excellent rant!!!
It is super dishonest, yet it's repeated ad nauseam by people who seem to have suddenly made burning fossil fuels a part of their newly found religion.
Fossil fuel huggers
Whenever I ask myself why I ever liked RUclips, I listen to Bobby, and then, I remember.
I love that you called out Johnny Smith as a great reviewer. I was gutted when you and he parted company.
Absolutely brilliant Robert, I could see Rimmer as the old world motoring journalist!
Autocharge has got to be the future. When will the grid serve app be available?
😏 I think you've been trolled... Leominster is pronounced: Lemster.
Yes on the train they say "Lemster"
and Hereforshire is pronounced Erefordshire
I call it Llanllieni
Anyone got a petrol or diesel car that can actually do 1000 miles and fill up the tank in less than 3 minutes?
On the other hand there are some who say that Cirencester should be pronounced "Sisiter", but none of the locals say that. They might say "Ciren" (pronounced "siren") for short.
Best entertainment ever. Keep up the enthusiasm Robert.
Nice call out to Jonny Smith.
Loving the show. One point though, I’m Scottish, but I know how to pronounce Leominster properly 🤪 Keep up the brilliant work, and good luck England in the footie.
On a similar theme, no-one ever bangs on about where the minerals for the batteries in your phones, watches, laptops, tablets, or computers come from, do they?
You are absolutely correct: so it rather amusing to see all those joining in the extinction rebellion protests, going home to all their electronic products and wardobes of clothes made as a by product of the petro chemical industry. Personally, I welcome all electric cars. Living on the edge of a city, it is dreadful walking alongside conjested roads full of ICE vehicles. Nevertheless, a great deal of harm is caused by mining minerals for batteries.
You were right with Chil-ay - that's how it was pronounced to me when I went there.
"Chill - lay" or "Chee - lay"?
@@richardlinares6314 I think it's hard to do this without using those phonetic characters because it depends on what your current accent is. Chee-leh chee-lay could be right to my ear.
Chi - le, two syllables. Chi, like in "Tai-chi" and "le", like in "Le Corbusier". Saludos desde España. :D
If you're speaking Spanish, it's "chee-lay"; if you're speaking English it's "chill-ee". You don't HAVE TO pronounce placenames the same way people who live there pronounce it, especially if they speak a different language or have a different accent.
@@bencodykirk I agree, although as the world gets more connected I think we'll have to tend towards a common way to speak of names. My name gets mispronounced all the time in my home country and I don't mind much but I love it when someone there gets it correct. I think it is interesting to see how English speaking people react to mispronunciations of their names or towns to see how much they appreciate it when others make an effort to get it right.
Good Job Bob🤓 from Downerunder🇦🇺
I love a good anti-big oil rant, Robert... I can assure you, your news episodes are rarely boring; indeed they are often better than the interview episodes, given that most of the people you interview are not accustomed to speaking to a large audience in a friendly and breezy manner. Thumbs up for more longer form newsisodes.
Concrete battery combined with 3d printing of buildings ... would be a good match
I was discussing electric chargers with someone who said that there weren't any electric chargers near where we were.
We were sat on the grass in front of an Opera house in the centre of town, this opera house had a underground car park beneath it. In this underground car park they had a couple of electric car recharge stations.
So this friend of mine was sat above an electric car recharge station and was convinced that there wasn't a recharge station anywhere near.
Ohhh I hope you pulled out zap map
@@genericuser2339 yeah
Listening to this gives me hope that mankind still has a chance. But why can't we all just get behind these ideas and move on?!
Because old white men own shares in Shell, BP and Chevron
Money
Too many are still far from mass scale up.
Another 10-20 years and it will be impossible to fight against the move away from fossil fuels, excepting the industries for which larger amounts of energy are needed.
ie many passenger long distance electric jets and electric naval container shipping/haulage.
Even trucks are a serious question mark until LiO2 batteries are cracked, and perhaps advanced structural batteries for good measure.
Structural batteries are the next revolution for EVs in my opinion.
Researchers see a path to a breakthrough of a material as strong as but lighter than aluminium, but 70% the energy density per kg of Li ion within 2 years - that would give vehicles using it in place of structural metal a 'free' boost to their batteries due to sharing a use of structural material and battery.
Hydrogen is not only about keeping the fuel industry, but also they want to keep whole the IC engine, oil and spare parts industry. So for sure we should stay away from hydrogen as much as possible.
Carbonehness vapor huggers
Very entertaining, as usual. i could listen to you talking for hours....well i just did !!
For your enlightened friend in Leo- minster,(lemster), Aptera 100kwh battery does 1000 miles, recharges by the sun *45 miles while parked.
My Brumbrum is going to be replaced by a wizzwizz next week! I'm so happy!
Concrete 🔋🔋- imagine the likes of Paddington, Waterloo or Euston Railway Stations, that, when undergoing a major revamp, incorporated solar onto the roof and concrete batteries into the new Station platforms and concourses. Of course, this concept could easily apply to airports and other such infrastructure hubs adding to the sustainability of public transport systems. Perhaps the conductive mesh could also be applied in the construction of transportation tunnels.
Use for the concrete battery.. Upgrade the airfields in the Orkneys and Shetlands with Concrete battery/runways charged by wind trubines, refueling short haul aircraft using battery electric prop engines. For that matter, you could appply similar concept to relatively remote areas in the US such as the Dakotas and Montanna to charge the concrete parking areas of supercharger sites in areas where the grid is not reliable, but a local wind source could keep the battery charged.
"1000-mile range': show me a passenger car with a 1000-mile range, on one tankfull
Great show - congrats on Leaf upgrade. Whydrogen is my question as an engineer! Thanks
Great show as always.
Can you imagine Clarkson going all green about minerals? LOL
Hydrogen has never made sense... not even for trains... until you just explained it.... misinformation from the oil industry. Concrete has enormous amounts of embodied energy. I have spent 30 years trying to minimise concrete and steel in structures - after you have finished big oil please try big concrete.
Yea & talk up big wood.
Carbon sequestration, strength & multiple other benefits - provided there are plenty of forests being replanted!
Yeah hydrogen the gas that surrounds us doesn't make sense but lithion iron batteries do that will wear out and cannot be recycled so will end up in a landfill site.
@@philabrahams383 .
It's cheaper to get lithium from batteries than sourcing dirt from big he in far flung places. J B Straubel for one knows this.
It's about scaling up
@@philabrahams383 "Hydrogen gas that surrounds us" !! I'm not coming to visit you on Jupiter.
Agreed, Maybe someone could enlighten me, but is there any hydrogen production process that is either more efficient than about 30-40% (Electrolysis of water) or that doesn't consume fossil fuels whilst generating CO, or CO2 or other undesirable by-products? OK, it can be generated from ammonia, but how is that made? What is the overall energy balance sheet of raw ingredients + energy to hydrogen for any process? If it isn't about 80-90% (renewable electricity to EV motor) then it's wasteful or dirty or uneconomic or all three.
Entertaining and informative, brilliant 👍
I enjoy your presentations every time. I watch on the "telly". I actually have to go to my computer to tell you how much i enjoy your opinions.
As a matter of interest, and speaking of Norfolk and Gridserve, building is currently at week 9 for the second Gridserve “forecourt” in Norwich.
Had exactly the same argument with my sister about EV range! She may only be 7 years older than me but talks and thinks like there's a generation gap! It's like talking to the Muppet that buys a huge 4x4 SUV thing because "we might go camping and would need it" FFS! Tell me sister how often do you drive from Manchester to London, go round the M25, and come home again without ever stopping? And how much is the fuel in the petrol pump that you have in your driveway? Ohh you don't have one? You mean currently you have to drive somewhere to fuel your vehicle? Pffft that's inconvenient, how long does that take? Exactly why don't you want to put solar panels on your huge roof and never have to pay for fuel ever again? Ohh because they only last 20 years. Hmm I see, so 20 years free fuel isn't worth it. Got it.
😆😆 She sounds a bit like a bloke who I've been conversing with on Twitter recently who (truly) thinks that it's a waste of time for the UK to try to do anything whatsoever about climate change because India and China are doing so little and are two of the biggest polluting countries in the world; oh! and that wearing of face 😷 in public doesn't stop infection so why should he wear one to go shopping etc....
@@pinkelephants1421 yep, and show them all the imperical evidence to the contrary and they just won't change their minds😠!!
Oi, who are you calling a Muppet? Luckily, my sister, who is also almost 7 years older than me is chomping at the bit to buy an electric VW ID.Buzz, when they come out of course!
@@Muppetkeeper That's brilliant news and I hope she realises her dream car purchase with many happy and safe years of electric motoring. 😊
@@Muppetkeeper hahaha!!😁😁😁 Ooo yeah the VW buzz looks fab
Love every minute, best listen on the train for the week. Love the tweet rave...
Feel free to borrow my Peugeot e208 Robert, haven't visited a single public charge point that I haven't had problems with yet in over 6 months of ownership, the public charging infrastructure still needs quite a bit of polishing before it's seamless for everyone and I'm hoping Gridserve accomplishes this
"George, I'd like the shelves put up over therel" "OK darling I'll just drill some holes in the concrete waaaaaaall⚡⚡🔥⚡🔥"
Loved your rant
Unlikely.
Most of the time when you do that it's plaster and brickwork you anchor it to.
In fact plenty of houses don't use too much concrete at all besides the foundation work.
Concrete is itself not so great for the environment (producing the solid form from the raw materials that is), there is a lot of R&D going on to find better materials for it at the moment.
“Their knackered old high horses..”
Brilliant, Robert!
And how many of us were, stylus in hand, poised to roar “Seamless charging - just like Teslas have had for the last ten years” when you gently put us down!
Loved the rant! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Brillant Episode!!!!
Hydrogen is certainly useful to reduce greenhouse gases and optimize steel and fertilizer production. I agree with you, given the current hydrogen steam reforming process, replacing fuel with hydrogen in trucks and cars is very risky to increase or dependance on grey Hydrogen sources
Big problem in Uk is home charging. There are lots of inner city areas of terraced houses make it almost impossible to do home chargeing , the only alternative to them is being ripped off on commercial chargers.
Very curious about the cycle life for the concrete battery technology! That and changes in structural properties as it is charged and discharged throughout its life. Interesting stuff!
I cheered during the rant! But ... Steve Bezos lol
He want more yachts!
Not so boring!
Keep doing Robert....
From Brazil....
4 hours of backup is pretty impressive ngl. Is it going to be enough?
Had my TM3 for 3 years now and never had to charge away from home. I only used the Tesla Supercharger as I had 1000 mile free charge which was time limited to 6 months
miss fully chareged news (with the rare rants :) )
Steve Bezos haha love it.
But love the show keep it up :)
Nikki Gordon Bloomfield @ Transport Evolved is doing that 3000 mile trip almost as we speak!
Edit : ah Robert I do so love your rants, saves me doing it out loud, I just chuckle and snort and wave a supportive fist in my head! 🤣😅✊👍
Another brilliantly subtle (!) episode, really enjoyed it and so far no critics.. hurrah! Well apart from the brilliant feat of memory, not! Totally sympathise with that problem! 😂
Like you I used to love those car programmes and I do believe some of the presenters actually have enough nouse to realise things have to change so I don't understand 💷 why they're still promoting the bad over the good....
Or maybe they aren't, I haven't watched their programmes since they became too juvenile and destructive for even my warped sense of humour!
Great piece Robert, thanks, all the dedicated effort and hard work is much appreciated in this quarter of Kent, slightly East of Maidstone 😂 🤣
Hydrogen is bad also because its use is very inefficient. It also takes Oxygen from the air and releases water into the environment, the evaporation of which will increase moisture content of the atmosphere ... which is worse than greenhouse gases ... In contrast, EVs are ~80% efficient from solar panel to wheel and don't mess with the atmosphere at all.
Green hydrogen, if you can get it, starts with water and ends with water. I know of no analysis that suggests that driving on hydrogen increases the planets humidity to any significant degree
I always thought it was "va- nay-dee-um".
Yes, looking on Wikipedia, the pronunciation is listed as "(və-NAY-dee-əm)". So, not just a long "A" there, but that's also where the stress ought to go too.
Edit: And "Leominster" is pronounced "Lemster" as well. One of those funny old English placenames where the spelling and pronunciation only have a passing resemblance to each other.
I'm afraid Robert seems to have spent too much time in the US, "Leo-minster"! 😝
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
The international standard also known as 'Plug & Charge' but the chargers and the cars need to support it and the billing system. The Mach-e supports it along with a few other cars currently but it will grow and then the fast chargers(DC) will be the same as Tesla experience. Nice to hear about the battery growth at Grid level as well.
All that is needed is a unique identifier string when you plug in your car which I assume CSS has
@@DogsBAwesome or number plate recognition?
2:43 I'm having RedDwarf flashbacks and I can't stop laughing KRY! Thanks for the many many laughs since the 80s. Back to the video of today. You are a living LEGEND!!!
Robert, you are an absolute delight! You say what we're all thinking when these boobies yammer on about lithium production and batteries on landfills. THANK YOU!
EDF's interest in batteries is not so much in making money, but in _not_ _losing_ money. Nuclear power plants suffer most when the wholesale price goes negative. In fact they are the main reason this happens in the first place because it takes literally hours, sometimes days to shut them down or start them up, so they simply cannot react to changes in demand quickly enough.
When you and I were small there were people who really hated the demise of steam power. They probably drooled over the latest locomotive "This 2-10-0 P2 is the most powerful locomotive ever made whisking you from London to Edinburgh in under 8 hours..." and compare coal efficiency and how much water per 100 miles it went through. Fascinating though I find steam engines, they have never got anywhere near the speed and efficiency of Deutschbahn ICE or French TGV (or even Eurostar). Of course 125s were a useful in-between technology but ...
No surprise then, that the same sort of people are trying to keep horses as ...er... combustion engines as their preferred mode of personal travel. There will always be some who want to be stuck in the past as the past seems to be a safe place as opposed to the undiscovered country of the future. And what will replace batteries and electric vehicles? Thats either science fiction or a case of wait and see. One step at a time.
Well, it's really a case of 'stuck in the present' rather than the past - isn't it ...!!
We'd still be in a big, big, BIG mess without ICE.....!!
Ah, a good old multiple rant from Bobby. Brilliant as usual.
RANT ALERT . . . . RANT ALERT . . . .RANT ALERT I love it when you rant Robert, please don't stop. And good luck with the Leaf. I would love a new battery for my old Leaf. It will happen, one day. 🚙
At last!!! Someone with the credentials to say hydrogen for cars is stupid.
@Name not supplied I'm not normally big on conspiracy theories, but given the oil industries past record on seriously dirty deeds, that seems entirely likely.
As the crow flies, the distance from Land's End to John O'Groats is 603 miles or 970 kilometres. Of course, you won't be able to drive as the crow flies. The most direct route by car would take you on the road for 15 hours over a distance of 837 miles or 1350 kilometres.
Really enjoyed this episode, unlike last weeks waffle (in my opinion)
Ouch! After my comment on the waffle in this one I'll swerve last weeks and the channel generally. It's become some sort of scrap heap challange.
A "Robert Rant" is gold-dust, Hyper-amusing, but always with a sinister and foreboding undertone. Television at its ultimate best.
A minor clarification on London's electric buses. It's a BYD battery and drivetrain inside a ADL bus built in Scotland. That's for the #43 that goes past me, the first full EV double decker route. There is another bus supplier to TfL's bus contractors, Optare, and the first double decker route they converted to EV was the #134. I know little about the drivetrain which comes from ZF who are German with much Chinese manufacturing - I'd be surprised if the battery wasn't Chinese. All 300 single decker buses working in central London should be converted to EV, if not by now, then soon. The conversion of the whole fleet is pretty glacial, probably just on natural turnover. It ought to be accelerated. I fear converting the bus stations is harder than changing the buses.
My Toyota Camry only has 450 mile range so the 1,000 mile battery range would be tremendous. I have once driven 2,600 miles in 77 hours in Canada April 6-9, 2018 but the 3,000 miles in a day stated as possible here in video is absurd. Most I ever went in 24 hours in Canada was 2,200 km (1,380 miles, same trip) and that was a big final push April 8/9, 2018, actually 2,850 km (1,800 miles) in 31 hours.
So building building is on fire, can still use water to extinguish or will it be a problem?
Great podcast
Chile, with "e" like in "Edward", nothing of "Chili". You were saying it correctly the first time.
I remember working in Archway (North London) for a few years and it was disgusting blowing my nose and finding all that soot from the Bus station there, so I am all for electric/hydrogen vehicles.
Very enjoyable Excellent rant and stream of consciousness. Worthy of "The Church".
THe only thing that I now need to know is, what is the opening music?
In September 2016, a once in 50-year storm damaged critical infrastructure in South Australia, causing a state-wide blackout. In response, together with the South Australian Government and Neoen, Tesla installed the world’s largest lithium-ion battery, the 100MW Hornsdale Power Reserve. In 2020, the world's first big battery is now bigger. Increased by 50% to 150MW, it continues to support the grid and provide frequency control, supporting South Australia's sustainable future.
Sorry to disappoint you Robert, but I went to see the work being done at the Redbridge charging hub 5 days ago, and there is nothing to see because there is no work in progress at all. So why is everyone still on about a charging hub that is not there.?
Finally! Someone is finally telling the world that the "hydrogen economy" is "Fossil Fuels II". Hydrogen can also be extracted through steam gassification with coal.
Or it can be mined from water with about as much effort.
Well, less actually - it takes a lot of power currently for electrolysis of water, but its a damn sight simpler than breaking down gas or oil.
That being said there is a lot of work to make and refine 'photocatalysts' that when mixed with water in the presence of light make electrolysis much more energy efficienct and could make a hydrogen economy much more ecologically and economically viable.
You're skipping water purification. That really kills the efficiency. And creates its own problems.
It's all inefficient. Electricity is efficient charging batteries. It takes very little energy to take a formulation like C8H18 (gasoline) and turn it into 8CO2 + 9H2. There is already a mature industry in place that has the infrastructure to deliver hydrogen in industrial and consumer quantities.
You're buying into propaganda that the automakers are falsely selling. None of the things you talk about exist at industrial scale, and wouldn't be able to get loans to do because of the ultra cheap competition from the fossil fuel industry.
The economic reality is that there will never be a clean consumer hydrogen economy. The only economy will be the existing fossil fuel one out competing any new competitors.
@@mnomadvfx You are also skipping the politicians trying to save jobs and their rich friends income.
Also skipping that countries that make their money by exporting fossil fuels, have powerful plutocrats connected to the government who do not want to see that easy money go extinct.
Russia just discovered new, untapped oil fields in Siberia in 2007. They REALLY want to sell that oil, and they REALLY work to own politicians and political parties that keep that dream alive.
I see the world in full systems. Not quanta that can easily be divided up and just easily manipulated. Fossil fuels have massive economic and political momentum, and leaving them any opening to exploit is a massive mistake.
To be fair, before all this save the planet fever gripped the world, nobody worried about where from or how any materials arrived into the products we used.
I do agree anyone commenting on this should be balanced about it.
We’re all from Oxford aren’t we? Ox2 now bn16 😆
Please use a manual aperture on your camera so your background doesn't bounce up and down in brightness when you wave your arms in front. Driving me crazy...
Robert, have you heard of the hydrogen fuel cell disc technology that is available and could be used with Toyota fuel cell?
Not a fan of that visual format. Put Robert on the whole screen. Can't he use an autocue prompter?
Well, you only have to listen to him speak - you shouldn't need a picture to keep your attention.......!!
@@andymccabe6712 Thx, that's what I did. The point is, why do it that way?
@@snowstrobe I guess to reach more people for the podcast. Through RUclips, not just the usual podcast apps. You could compare the visual to the webcam you see at radio stations.
Excuse my French, as we say around here, but Governments can piss around all that they want (I'm looking at both Austrailia and the UK) but once something starts to make financial sense, it will get done regardless of government policy. This is why windfarms, batteries, solar and other renewables will continue to grow quickly... Personally I'm looking forward to seeing the compressed air storage kick off big style.
Well done Gridserve on the Charge n go system your introducing. I’m flabbergasted that no other charging companies have came up with a Tesla like smart communication charging system as every car does a ‘handshake’ with the charger therefore will have a signature. On the 2030 deadline, I think this will NATURALLY come into force much earlier because of the loss in value of your ice cars after 2025 so nobody will buy one if it’s gonna plummet like a brick once bought. As well as many cities and towns starting to ban diesel cars this year onwards and older petrol cars.
The Electric Highway in USA have been doing something similar with Ford. I wonder what happens when your debit/credit card expires, hopefully there'll be an app to allow you to change it
The technology is part of the same protocol that CCS cars use to negotiate their rapid charge. A DC rapid charger needs the car to tell it what voltage it needs, what current it needs, what its state of charge is etc. One of the other things already included in the protocol is Plug & Charge, where the vehicle can identify itself to the charger and, if the charger recognises it, start the charge and automatically bill the associated account. Not all cars (and only a few chargers) are capable of this right now, with VW group and Ford leading the charge (pun intended). I'm glad Gridserve are putting in the work to get this going at scale.
Don’t forget that cobalt is also used in your nice green refining industry. But it’s not dug out of the ground by children with their teeth :-). Oh no! They are given shovels.
Seen on campsite “PLEASE NOTE WE CANNOT ACCEPT CUSTOMERS WITH ELECTRIC CARS DUE TO THE LACK OF CHARGING POINTS CHARGING AT OUR CARAVAN IS NOT PERMITTED”
I mean, that's fair enough if the campsite is not set up with a large grid connection. Not a problem for most drivers, can just top up at a nearby rapid charger for 15 minutes before driving to the campsite.
Kryton is in charge of charger rollout I believe!!!
But when Tesla Mega Batteries become widespread, there will be no more "expensive" time to sell the electricity in those batteries anymore, right?
Just thinking….. what if someone steals your EV…. How are they prevented from charging it up on their journey if you can just plug it in and go?? Maybe if a reported stolen car could automatically inform police of the cars location?? You heard it here first👍⚡️⚡️⚡️
I suggested that about 2 years ago.
Along with locking the car to a charger.
At least with my electric car, I can see where the car is at any moment on my app, and I can set the maximum speed way down. Alternatively, you can just stop payment on the card that your car is attached to
Brilliant rant again Robert
Go for Rob
Concrete batteries, humn........ Is this why giga Berlin is building such mega thick Concrete slabs for their battery plant, power storage for the plant!
I'm making mud-cardboard batteries.