Please note that I do not discuss firearms or allowing citizens to own whatever they like unregulated in this video. My point is specifically this: The vast majority of knife wounding in the UK is done with kitchen knives. Criminals could use various other objects which are not banned, but they choose to use kitchen knives predominantly, for a range of reasons. In this context, making things like ‘Zombie knives’ and truncheons illegal seems utterly ridiculous. Criminals do not care if they can no longer buy those things from a shop, while they happily go on stabbing people with kitchen knives and screwdrivers. There is no logical reason to ban a ‘Zombie knife’ when it will 1) not reduce crime and 2) will take more resources to administrate, which could have been better spent on tackling crime. By all means regulate things that need to be regulated, but there is no purpose in banning things that are not presenting a credible threat and which can easily be matched for effectiveness by a readily-available kitchen knife.
You mention repeatedly the 'up coming legislation' but not the actual name of the Bill. This one has slipped past me due to it being an interest rather than a passion, but I would certainly like to make my feelings known to my MP.. If you could furnish me with the name of the Bill so I could read it and send an intelligent rebuttal to my MP I would be grateful.
The main reason (afaik) is because a lot of drug dealers started arming themselves with japanese weapons, especially katanas, and using them against police officers during raids etc. The impetus for these bans came mostly from police officers who were unhappy about having big swords and the like swung at them. As to the rest, 'ninja' weapons are generally also concealable weapons and its pretty straightforward why the govt. would want to limit possession of concealable weapons, again, because gangs would pick them up to get around other weapons laws.
Gather round, children. Let me regale you with tales of the great UK Ninja Freakout TM of the mid to late Eighties. Seriously, people were getting ideas off too many Sho Kosugi films.
@28:14 - _"...with kitchen knives stuffed down their trousers..."_ - It'd be impractical to ban kitchen knives, so the only possible solution is to ban trousers. Then those armies of ninja-gangs can't conceal knives. Problem solved.
From this list, I've figured it out: it's obvious that Parliament was terrified of ninja assassins using hand and foot claws to scale Buckingham Palace's wall, taking out the guards with kusagari(-gama) and Death Stars, poisoning the Royal Pet with a blowgun, and then drawing drawing their samurai sword and chopping up the Royal Bedding.
#20 The weapon sometimes known as a 'pommel', being a piece of metal or other hard material, designed to be detached from a sword and deployed in such a way as to 'end' one's opponent 'rightly'
Listen, a gang of little girls is terrifying, and we should absolutely be criminalizing their preferred weapons. The only reason one should ever stand and fight against a gang of little girls is if they won't hand over the thin mints.
Gang member 1: Hey wait! You can't stab him with that! That's an illegal weapon! Gang member 2: Oh wow, I didn't know. Gang member 1: That's okay, just use this kitchen knife, it's perfectly legal. Gang member 2: Thanks. *stab* I wouldn't want to break the law.
@@BeKindToBirds if the gang members would be using butterflies or other banned knives it would be easier to trace it back to them. kitchen knives are so simmilar that its worse for law enforcement to trace the weapon back to someone.
@@BeKindToBirds Yeah but when you have millions of kitchen knives in drawers across the country, and people can stab people with screwdrivers, reducing the availability of obscure ninja weapons doesn't really do anything.
@ Actually, I think it's still a statutory requirement of all able bodied men to report to the shooting butts every sunday after church for archery practice (all able bodied WORKING CLASS men, that is). Don't think that one ever got repealed.
Worth mentioning that knife crime in London in the last year has increased by 34%. Since the Zombie Knife ban. Of course the two things are unrelated, because banning 'Zombie Knives' achieved nothing. In fact it was a distraction and obstruction to useful policy. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41822965
scholagladiatoria one time me and a friend were have a childish stick fight (we were 18) and police officers took us the the police van and nearly took us to the station, the whole weapons situation here in the uk is way to restrictive and poorly worded.
Have you considered the fact that the vast majority of knife crime in the UK is committed with kitchen knives is actually an effect of the success of strict weapon laws? I don't think the majority of knife crime in the 17th or 18th century was committed with kitchen knives, and that wasn't because of a lack of kitchen knives but because of an abundance of other types of knives more suited to killing living beings.
JerehmiaBoaz I rather get attacked by a balisong than a kitchenknife. Try stabbing someone with it and you'll probably injure yourself... Moreover, it had no effect on the crime rate.
edi A balisong is a typical knife carried in societies where "real knives" (as Crocodile Dundee would say) are prohibited. Try a kitchen knife versus a dagger, a bowie knife, or a kukri.
This is not rumour or opinion, it's a fact. When they added several martial arts items to the banned list a number of years ago (Criminal Justice Act 1988 ) a close friend of mine was in a consultation meeting about the proposals. If you are wondering why a number of items were added and others that are similar were not. There is a reason. Believe it or not, they had a copy of Combat and Survival magazine and they looked at an advert from IIRC, Battle Orders. They banned everything that was advertised on that page. Seriously, that was the specific reason for the specific items being chosen. They decided that this advert was appealing to criminals and ner do wells. So they just went down that list and added them to the banned list.
thegeneral123 The Democrat Party did about the same thing here in the States to come up with the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 . They flipped through gun catalogues and banned all the " scary looking" guns based on their cosmetic features . Features like pistol grips , folding buttstocks , vertical forgerips, etc. A couple of features that had some limited value such as a flash suppressor or bayonette lug were included . Not these features were totally banned , the weapons could have these features , just the total number of features on any one weapon was limited . So a gun owner had to choose which features he or she wanted on their firearm . Want a bayonette lug and flash hider ? OK , just don't have a folding stock and vertical forgerip too , that's too many scary things at once . Want the folding stock and forgerip ? That's OK too , just have them on a rifle with a bare muzzle . Most of these scary features have no effect on the guns effectiveness . Criminal shooters don't make bayonette charges . Vertical forgerips don't make the weapon any more lethal . Folding stocks make the rifle more compact in storage but are inferior to fixed stocks when actually firing the weapon . Flash hiders help some when engaging enemies in low light situations , but bad guys usually shoot up well lighted places . Bad guys don't usually use rifles anyway . With the exception of a few notable events (Las Vegas Concert , Texas Church ) , criminals use handguns . (In the USA) . I realize that I'm opening up a big can of worms by talking about guns on a channel from the UK . I respect everyone's reasonable opinions , pro and con , just keep it civil , Okay ? Thanks !
I applaud you sir, your well reasoned and clearly stated opinion has lasted an entire day without erupting in a political troll thread hundreds of responses long.
Victor Waddell; I like what you said here. I'm someone in the UK who shoots (at targets in case anti-hunt people want to kill me) and I am limited in what firearms I can buy but the actual selection is pretty good; I can't have a fully automatic or semi-automatic "assault rifle" or an automatic pistol but I can have anything from a Ruger 10/22 to a Barrett .50 or Lee-Enfield .303. I also like your request for people to be civil. Happy New Year!
Baker7498 society got really lame. I rather have my kid handle knives and fire under supervision rather than prohibiting everything until it comes to age and does all sorts of stupidities...
a bearing would probably be the worst possible thing you could add to a shuriken lol. Worse than tassels. But I mean, we all knew that form factor was completely useless when it came out...
I don't know about the UK, but in the US, balisongs are very commonly called Butterfly Knives. It's the common name for the knife in everyday use, most people don't even know the term ballisong. is. So that might just be the American usage. I have seen some confusion with the short Chinese swords, but I've usually heard them called Butterfly Swords instead of knives, presumably to avoid this confusion..
To expand on this; it may be a translation of balisong in American spaces in East Asia, especially spaces exemplified by Singapore, where "balisong" refers specifically to a knife-length blade in colonial law rather than the contemporary and colloquial uses which may be more rooted in local usage rather than colonial usage.
As Someone who Has spent A lot of time around Chinese Weapons and Martial Arts "Butterfly Sword" is actually a Much more accurate Translation For the Chinese verson of the Weapon. "Húdié Shuāngdāo" (the Chinese Wording) Translate quite directly to "Butterfly Short Sword" So your very much correct in that reguard. on a side note In Canada Butterfly knives are generally the widley used term for the balisong.
This video is the first time I've heard of a "balisong". A "butterfly" knife however I've heard of in relation to high profile murder. Maybe I should mention that I'm from Sweden and the knife laws here do include kitchen knives the same way it does any of these objects.
The term balisong as I understand it was the original term, as I believe the knife was originally from the Philippines, and then the term butterfly knife was just what it became to be called later in by people taking it home after war time or vacation From California and butterfly knife is used a lot more than balisong, but the name balisong is known
Cop: Oi, you've a container containing a number of spikes, Me (carrying a suitcase full of darts and arrows): But is not cylindrical, officer. Cop: Okay, then that's all right then. Move along.
The right to keep and bear arms used to be protected under British Common Law. It is where the 2nd Amendment came from. It can be regarded as a natural right, and as a natural right it cannot be taken away, it can only be suppressed. Time for people to recognize their natural rights and start to reclaim them.
@Paddy Hickman wrong you can look it up and also find a reference to Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England Volume One, On the Rights of Persons 1765.
@Paddy Hickman Because I used my cell phone, here you go, a direct quote, “THE RIGHT TO ARMS: The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute . . . and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.”
@Paddy Hickman doesn't it just say that defending yourself is allowed with only a few restrictions? Likely killing your alleged attacker in self defense and such.
rights r made up tho. more like common sense needs to be apply, not what your rights are. you 100% should be able to defend yourself but at the same time we dont want a warzone
Basically this law came from the same place as the absolutely brain dead dangerous dogs act and all the current problems RUclips is having with advertisers did. 1. Tabloids make up some nonsense 2. People with more opinions than sense demand "there should be a law!!" 3. Civil service/lawyers: But there already is... (its already illegal to carry around weapons to do a crime, concealed knives are already illegal, this law is just pointless) 4. Newspaper followers: Why isn't the government doing anything? 5. Government: hey this is a thing! Let's do it! See how proactive we are?
Wait a minute going by these definitions, wouldn't a skipping rope count as a manriki gusari? Sorry little girls looks like your all criminals. Police should immediately raid all UK boxing gyms and confiscate all of their skipping ropes.
Stephen Curtin all those little pigtailed hooligans callously brandishing their manriki gusari, swinging them around carelessly! They deserve what's coming to them!
I myself have been brutally attacked by an elementary schoolgirl with a manrikigusari. Thankfully, I survived and the boys were able to retake the playground with their truncheons.
A cylindrical container containing a number of sharp spikes, so a quiver? But yes, the box of nails is an even better example on how stupid this particular description is.
I live in a quiet location in a village. I welcome this list as it addresses a serious crime problem in my area. A least three times a week gangs come past my house carrying offensive weapons and I am pleased I now know I can call the police and have them dealt with. These are often sizeable gangs of middle aged criminals carrying friction lock telescopic truncheons. I know they would call them walking poles but I know better now.
If laws weren't "clumsily written" and open to misinterpretation, lawyers (who wrote the laws) wouldn't be able to make nearly as much money arguing about them.
Shinigami Kaze that’s what it’s there for, government do this so it’s law abiding citizens are disarmed. Things are normally easier if the government decides to be a tyranny when it’s people are disarmed
Only the criminals have rights in the UK! YOU ARE " SUBJECT'S"" subjects do not have rights - Keep worshipping your Royalty and kneel before the bearocrats they know what's best and will take good care of you!!
Dan Tone Look, you’re obviously American. You don’t bother to talk to us. We don’t worship the monarchy. We want your constitutional rights. We need your free speech. We need your second amendment. Getting guns here is extremely difficult. Even airsoft guns. You have to play airsoft at a certified field a few times just to get the paperwork that allows you to buy an airsoft gun.
Oh yes, it's like that spell written in dwarven runes on Zoltan's weapon in Witcher. The spell meaning was: "go f.ck mo...ckers" ;) I guess it was a pretty offensive spell choice ;)
It's funny that you think any of these should be regulated. I'm a police officer in the US, State of Tennessee. Tennessee in the past few years repealed a law limiting the carry of knives with a length over 4 inches. So now you can carry any length blade you want, including swords. Assaults with knives have not increased, and criminals I've dealt with who carry knives still have mostly kitchen knives and box cutters. Regulating any of these doesn't reduce violent crimes.
I agree incidentally. I think the only knives where there may be an argument for regulation are ones which are specifically designed to avoid detection in airports and suchlike.
France has regs on locking vs non-locking, but no regulation on length. But you don't see criminals carrying around gigantic Lagoulies because that would just be silly.
The context for the "ninja" weapons is most likely just that this was written in the 1980s and the ninja craze was in full swing. And likely some teenagers hurt themselves or others by playing with some exotic weapon that looked cool. Similar laws showed up in the US too, but they're all varied by state (and sometimes city). I'm a bit surprised the nunchaku isn't on that list considering it's one of the most famous weapons like that which are banned in various places in the US. But I think the ultimate intent was simply to prevent import and manufacture of weapons that were 1) Easy to conceal and/or 2) Had no purpose other than as a weapon. The wording was sloppy so possibly includes things it wasn't meant to, and all these exotic weapons jumped to mind based on the then current fads. Hence why the 'zombie knife' was added more recently, it's the current fad.
The irony is I think most of us made nunchaku as kids... least I did. Unless you are going to ban wooden dowels and chain or rope anyone can make one... if a kid can make it how effective can banning it be?
Yeah, a lot of the specific bans are pretty questionable responses to a craze. And the simple nature of construction does make the attempt to limit supply more difficult.
Nunchukau are on the list. Covered under the one about a length of flexible cord-ish stuff with a weight or hand grip attached to either end. Nunchukau just have a different ratio between weight size and cord size than the examples shown. What I find amusing is that the three-stick variant isn't covered because the description specifies two.
"A band of metal (or other hard material) worn on one or more fingers..." So wedding rings are banned? "... and designed to cause injury" Oh that's fine then, if it's just designed to look cool then it is legal.
@@smokeyjoe7798According to your "civilized" government in the UK: in the event you are criminally attacked, die if you must, but don't defend yourself, as that's not civilized. Self defense will be severely punished.
Also, on the idea of truncheons and what it means, it can impact disabled people quite easily. I use my cane on a regular basis. I also have a "travel cane" that can be folded, but in certain legal contexts can be considered as a "folding or collapsing truncheon" since it's a cane that can fold into a carrying bag on things like airplanes. There's quite a few folding canes that can fit within "collapsible truncheon" under the definitions provided. Even by UK law.
Based on the timing, my guess is that it's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (or the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles as they became, because apparantly even the *word* "ninja" is too dangerous in the UK)
You're right. UK Government lost their shit over anything "Ninja " related. TMNT was Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, here. scenes showing nunchaku were edited out. Thinking about it, the UK edit of Enter the Dragon had the epic nunchaku scene edited out, originally.
I get the feeling that if they could get away with it, they'd just go ahead and ban any "object or objects between 1mm and 300,000 km in length, constructed from hard or soft material (solid, liquid or gas), which may be worn, carried, stood near, otherwise detected using any scientific instrument, or imagined"
14:55 Darth Vader: Prepare for the full on assault of the UK rebel alliance. "Lord Vader, our death star is on the banned weapons list of the rebel fleet! " Darth Vader: aghhhhhhhh! This is a disturbance in the force!
The 'defence' to the curved 50cm sword law isn't an elimination of the presumption of innocence, technically. You are still presumed innocent of not possessing the offending item until proven otherwise. At that point, once possession of an offending item is proven, then your innocence is no longer presumed, and at THAT point then you may mount a defence to explain why your posession of the item should not be punished. It's a horribly overbroad law, though. And why only curved blades? A longsword will kill you just fine.
Yeah I was double checking the laws when I was buying an Albion. Apparently they've had issues having the swords kept by customs at the airport until the customer goes there in person and provides ID, but it's strange that a straight sword is fine but a curved sword is somehow too deadly to be allowed in the hands of a regular joe.
@@foelancer7625 makes sense... People use an object in a way that's already against the law? Make the object illegal too! That'll stop the criminals that aren't obeying the law from doing illegal things!
My country allows me to have and carry almost any blade I like. And still the most dangerous one I own is a huge kitchen knife that has a width and potential application of a crude bowie fighting knife. I'd pick it for a fight even over my machete because it's more nimble and still has a blade as long as my forearm and could cut like a sword.
I actually have a filleting knife the length of a forearm that I use to fillet large salmon, it even has a small guard-like finger protector. And it't so sharp and nimble it would be extremely deadly if I decided to use it as a weapon.
Hell, a meat cleaver is essentially a light axe, think about the cuts those can cause. Easily going through a bone and meat in a single light chop. Personally, in a situation where I have to defend myself, my first inclination is to pepper spray and run. If that doesn't pan out I'd use my pistol (Yay, 'Murica). I have a nice quality folding pocket knife I have with me almost all the time, and it would litterally be my very last resort to fight with.
They apparently had a large problem with Ninjas climbing up multiple stories into building to kill them with a curved sword, or on the top of building to snipe using shuriken. These Ninja would also occasionally steal a jump rope from a child to arm themselves, proceeding to strangle two men at once while bludgeoning another.
The belt buckle knife makes sense. Nothing else does, really. As you state in your addendum, a kitchen knife is much more dangerous weapon than any of these "offensive" weapons. A punch dagger, while dangerous, isn't as flexible in its use as a kitchen knife, and the majority of them are much smaller. My question, though, is: Who came up with this list? It's obvious that they didn't consult anyone knowledgeable of how to use edged weapons and how dangerous certain weapons are.
Don't underestimate punch daggers, they are lethal with proper technique, you don't need more than 2" of penetration to sever a carotid artery or puncture the heart in between the ribs. They're also far easier to conceal than classic knives, both to carry and to use, in a dark place you may not notice that your opponent is holding one in his fist before he actually strikes you with it, so I completely agree with their inclusion on the banned list.
If weapons bans worked, then why do police still need weapons? They shouldn't need them right? Because the truth is, everyone pushing for weapons bans knows intuitively they don't work. They're just acting out of fear, or for political gain.
Bill Kennedy What strange logic? So if a cop stopped a known gang member with an AK47 and AK47s weren't banned, he would have to let him go as that wouldn't be a crime. Ridiculous 😂
If you honestly believe that hundreds of thousands of people in the UK would love to go out and rob, rape, or burgle people but refrain from doing so for the sole reason that they can't get their hands on shuriken, congratulations, you just won the prize for most gobsmackingly stupid imbecile among the 3 billion people on this planet who have access to the Internet.
I'm not "underestimating" anything. Of course punch daggers are "lethal with proper technique." Any knife is. Any knife only needs two inches of penetration to kill. As a teenager, I regularly carried a regular knife on my person at all times, never once got caught. Any semi-small knife is easy to conceal. Literally everything you've said applies to regular knives.
Spiked ice running shoes, they have longer spikes than most spike shoes used for running on rubber tracks, tho track and field shoes in general (tho walking with those except for on grass is a pain) metal studded football shoes depending on how sharp you define spike as. Couldn't a crutch be classed as a side handled truncheon, and for straight truncheons, walking sticks, umbrellas, and if you don't say anything about length, a bloody pencil. (Tho never underestimate how much a steel ballpoint pen hitting you on a bony area hurts, same goes for keys ofc)
So since the Death Star was created a long time ago (as per the initial statement in all the movies), does it qualify as an antique weapon? Are reproductions also exempt?
You could also argue that the 'Offensive Weapons List', is not only useless against crimes commited with knifes - but also, it hurts the common man, that does not wish to harm others with a knife. Example: Good ol' John (Ye know him), heads off to the local fishing pond, to have some nice and quiet time for himself, all is good, but as he returns home later that day, he is stopped by a couple police officers, that then confiscates Johns fishing knife, and slaps him with a fine for "carrying a weapon". T'is truly a sad day for John.
It's illegal to "carry a knife in public without good reason". Travelling to and from a fishing lake would likely be considered a valid reason so not charged in first place. www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
One thing about the "butterfly knifes": Here in Germany they're banned since a few years and though I'm collecting knifes I have to say in my eyes it makes sence. The reason is: When I was in school years ago everybody (including me) carried a butterfly knife. Not mainly as a weapon, more used as a "toy", proofing your skills and you can do many "tricks" with them. So they were a funny thing. Like a jojo, just a bit more "cool". But the problem was that almost everybody everywhere (at school, street, parties etc.) just had a butterfly knife in his pocket. Not mentioned to harm someone, they were "just all around". And then, when a fight started (we were drunk or it was about a girl or whatever) everyone had a knife and some used it in the heat of the fight or because of alcohol. If they weren't used as a toy I don't think so many guys would have carried a knife and it all would have ended with a fist fight. So for that reason I understand why they're banned though you're right, a kitchen knife is more dangerous. But young people just don't carry kitchen knifes all the time... at least I hope so. ;-) BTW: Great videos, thank you!!
Why out law weapons instead of just increase the punishment for attacking someone with any weapon? This is why bureaucrats are the end of vigorous civilization.
If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.
If not for the "bar" part of the foot claw definition then it would include climbing crampons, which are probably far more dangerous to be hit by anyways.
Arya Stark I can't comment on tree climbing crampons but mountain climbing ones use a metal frame all around the sole of the foot and I Don't think that constitutes a 'bar'.
I have a pair of lawn aerating spiked soles that strap to your shoes so you can aerate the lawn simply walking on it. They'd be offensive weapons then, as would running spikes.
Matt, try to put yourself into the shoes of the politicians. in the current political climate, assassinations are not out of the question. And what deadlier assassin than a ninja? Their blades are folded a 1000 times for god's sake!
"in the current political climate, assassinations are not out of the question." As opposed to the political climate in every _other_ decade, where everyone held hands and sang "Kumbaya."
The Government is so wary of Ninjas that when the cartoon "Teenage mutant ninja turtles" came out in the U.K they changed "Ninja" for "Hero" !! Even the word instilled fear!
Phew! I’m so glad that the whole time I was in the UK I was protected from those dastardly kusarigamas. You never know when you might encounter someone with a sickle attached to a rope these days.
.....so, am i being led to belive that now i am going to be forced to remove the ben hur chariot style blades from my bmx wheels??, this is a very sad state of affairs😂
It isn't about safety. Just like the decades long UK ban of hardcore porn, it is about banning something that the public, in the opinion of the establishment, should not have, want, need or possess. Zombie knives are no more dangerous than kitchen knives, but they may appeal to impressionable people who need to be stopped from having them, wanting them, brandishing them. Just like the UK media continually clutch their pearls over 'US gun culture' - as if the UK never had a gun culture - they are simply offended by 'zombie knives', nothing more.
I live in California, and most of the same weapons are banned here for equally unexplained and inexplicable reasons. On the other hand, it's not terribly difficult to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm if you provide the right documentation. But, despite a quarter century of training in Filipino Martial Arts, if I walk outside with a balisong in my pocket I am subject to arrest. What makes that extra ridiculous to my mind is that my FMA training specifically emphasizes using the knife to incapacitate an opponent quickly without going lethal, and my firearm training explicitly says to put a tight group center mass in an effort to kill instantly.
The first response to your introduction is basically that scary, loud or cool weapons tend to be used more, and the more weapons that someone might use, the more likely they become to use each one. I remember something from Lindybeige about this psychological phenomenon.
I don't know why, but every time Matt says "The government is afraid of ninjas." I piss myself laughing, the ridiculousness of the statement and he funny the sentence sounds is top notch. Good point's as ever!
Despite having a love and hate relationship with weapon laws in my country, i am really glad they focus more on the nature of the weapon and the intention of the person carrying it than just making lists.
Britons have regrettably been slaves for some time now. I hope and pray that one day the strong and honorable men (and there are still MANY) of the commonwealth will rise up and reclaim their God-given birthright of liberty. Remember gentlemen: Free men do not ask permission to arm themselves. You boys are my brothers, and I hate to see you living on your knees. Start the fight now, while you still outnumber your enemy. I’ll see you on the field ⚔️🇬🇧🏴🏴
Most "ninja weapons" are stupid and far more dangerous to the user than to anyone else. I've seen countless cases of self inflected wounds with such "weapons" (they're more like idiotic toys if in my opinion), so I guess the main reason they are banned is to prevent kids from playing with them. Zombie knives may also be included for similar reasons, as nobody in their right mind would carry such a stupid looking knife to commit a crime with.
I grew up on the streets of Liverpool in 1980's and it was dangerous & rough as fu**‼️ I've had every conceivable weapons threatened with. Including nunchaku and throwing stars, knives guns, a petrol grinder , you name it. If people plan to carry an offensive weapon they will, no matter what the non existent police force or the court system has to say; In prison for instance , I've heard they use razer blade melted in to a tooth brush and shanks out of pieces of metal. You must always assume a potential enemy has a weapon & always go for the eyes, or throat,nose, collar bone & not give your opponent the opportunity to get up and pull out a weapon. It is against the law in England to protect yourselves against an attack.‼️ & Often your attacker gets away with a stabbing because the police don't do Thier job.❗ For example, my wife was stabbed in the belly by a rapist. She resisted, so he picked up a stake knife off the draining board and stabbed her in the belly & ran out the back door. The police said she stabbed herself to get out of doing any paperwork and doing thier job‼️ This was before we met. & Before this" illegal immigrant invasion "‼️‼️ so you can just imagine how bad crime is now‼️🇬🇧
7 лет назад+5
The swedish comparable law includes "karate sticks" as the law states it. Wich means the so called nun chaku
But at the same time, it's apparently perfectly fine to allow actual nazi militias marching in public armed with shields, helmets and banner poles "decorated" with blunt spear heads that they have used as improvised pikes before... And they still aren't registered as a terrorist organisation despite constant attacks on society, including but not limited to arson against private homes of politicians, bombings and arson against union offices and refugee housing facilities, political murders etc... All combined with openly declaring war against the state and the system of constitutional monarchy with the expressed intent to replace it with a nazi autocratic police state...
Spears and pole arms all good then, lovely, im going back to the workshop
6 лет назад+1
Thank GOD I live in Free America! I have been carrying a folding knife since I won my Boy Scout Totem Chip at age 12. I have been carrying a firearm since I was 18 (working for the Sheriff) and 21 (as a Policeman and a private citizen with a permit). I pray that one day Free Englishmen will rise up and regain their freedom.
Englishmen gain liberty by emigrating. On the upside, we have very little fatal crime. In 2015 for example, US people shot over 1000 people dead. UK police shot 3 people dead.
I don't believe that all of the writers of these laws are as stupid or foolish as your comments imply, and I don't believe that they are as well meaning as you suggest. Many people love the idea of destroying a culture simply because those people are motivated by hatred of anything that someone else enjoys. Often, these are weak, pathetic, cowardly people who dislike the idea of anyone else engaging in activities that would be beyond their limited scope of life. As a result, they are happy to see laws written in a way that encompasses traditional and cultural activities. This allows them to hamper something that they just don't like under the guise of "public safety." They will support politicians and bureaucrats making a law overly broad because they can pretend that they are doing something noble while they push their own preferences on everyone else. I'm thankful to live in a part of the USA where these kinds of people have much less power. As a result, I can own push daggers, cutlasses, and other kinds of bladed weapons. While the knife that I carry most of the time has a blade just under three inches, I've chosen this knife for comfort in my pocket. If I wanted to carry a knife that had a four-inch blade, I could legally do so. I'm too old to become skilled at any of those swinging chain weapons, but living in a place that gets large amounts of snow, I'm thankful that I can put a heavy chain with heavy hooks on both ends in the back of my car and not be accused of carrying some kind of weapon. That makes pulling someone else out of a ditch or getting someone else to pull me out of a ditch much easier. I'm also thankful that they haven't outlawed spiked attachments for our shoes. Most of us keep these devices handy for walking on ice. Granted, the most effective ones use spikes that are only a millimeter or two long. Those small spikes give enough traction on the ice and are easier for walking when we have to cross areas that aren't covered in ice. However, if these kinds of people came to power in my state, I'm sure that they would pass equally stupid laws and be happy to disrupt all kinds of innocent uses of objects because that's the kind of evil people that they are.
I have a concealed carry permit in my state of Wisconsin in the USA but I accidentally left my blackjack in my wife’s car and she drove across to boarder into Illinois yesterday and was pulled over and subsequently arrested and charged with a felony and we had her car seized as far as I can tell they’re keeping her car. We’ll see in three weeks in the main court date. I carry because I work in a very high crime area and have been in multiple personal violent incidents in the last 10 years
The Chinese weapon you referred to is generally called a butterfly sword, not a butterfly knife. Here in America, at least where I live, "butterfly knife" is a common term for a balisong knife.
Please note that I do not discuss firearms or allowing citizens to own whatever they like unregulated in this video. My point is specifically this:
The vast majority of knife wounding in the UK is done with kitchen knives. Criminals could use various other objects which are not banned, but they choose to use kitchen knives predominantly, for a range of reasons. In this context, making things like ‘Zombie knives’ and truncheons illegal seems utterly ridiculous. Criminals do not care if they can no longer buy those things from a shop, while they happily go on stabbing people with kitchen knives and screwdrivers. There is no logical reason to ban a ‘Zombie knife’ when it will 1) not reduce crime and 2) will take more resources to administrate, which could have been better spent on tackling crime.
By all means regulate things that need to be regulated, but there is no purpose in banning things that are not presenting a credible threat and which can easily be matched for effectiveness by a readily-available kitchen knife.
You mention repeatedly the 'up coming legislation' but not the actual name of the Bill.
This one has slipped past me due to it being an interest rather than a passion, but I would certainly like to make my feelings known to my MP.. If you could furnish me with the name of the Bill so I could read it and send an intelligent rebuttal to my MP I would be grateful.
The link is under the video :-)
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The UK government doesn't like Japanese weapons? When did Skallagrim become the prime minister??
They know how easy it would be for ninjas and samurai to slice through their crappy L85s with their swords.
Oberstgreup true desu vult
They don't like them because they have no pommel. You cannot end him rightly.
The main reason (afaik) is because a lot of drug dealers started arming themselves with japanese weapons, especially katanas, and using them against police officers during raids etc. The impetus for these bans came mostly from police officers who were unhappy about having big swords and the like swung at them.
As to the rest, 'ninja' weapons are generally also concealable weapons and its pretty straightforward why the govt. would want to limit possession of concealable weapons, again, because gangs would pick them up to get around other weapons laws.
Gather round, children. Let me regale you with tales of the great UK Ninja Freakout TM of the mid to late Eighties. Seriously, people were getting ideas off too many Sho Kosugi films.
@28:14 - _"...with kitchen knives stuffed down their trousers..."_ - It'd be impractical to ban kitchen knives, so the only possible solution is to ban trousers. Then those armies of ninja-gangs can't conceal knives. Problem solved.
Can't that would be against their human rights, the right to put your hands down your track suit pants and fiddle with your bollocks.
The best weapon for hiding down your trousers is actually the bollock dagger.
Ban trousers, and gangs of Highland Scots will take over all of Britain, with their scean dhus (sp?) concealed under their kilts!
Won't work....American gangs won't keep their pants pulled up above their knees...."boxers" would become the new concealment clothing.
Spotted the Briton
From this list, I've figured it out: it's obvious that Parliament was terrified of ninja assassins using hand and foot claws to scale Buckingham Palace's wall, taking out the guards with kusagari(-gama) and Death Stars, poisoning the Royal Pet with a blowgun, and then drawing drawing their samurai sword and chopping up the Royal Bedding.
A pencil case matches that description cylindrical object filled with sharp objects! :D aha
Or a bucket of fucking nails
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The weapon sometimes known as a 'pommel', being a piece of metal or other hard material, designed to be detached from a sword and deployed in such a way as to 'end' one's opponent 'rightly'
Oh my god they criminalised skipping ropes
Yes, it would appear they did.
i'm fine with that
And handcuffs.
Listen, a gang of little girls is terrifying, and we should absolutely be criminalizing their preferred weapons. The only reason one should ever stand and fight against a gang of little girls is if they won't hand over the thin mints.
Youll stop laughing when skipping ninjas come for you.
Gang member 1: Hey wait! You can't stab him with that! That's an illegal weapon!
Gang member 2: Oh wow, I didn't know.
Gang member 1: That's okay, just use this kitchen knife, it's perfectly legal.
Gang member 2: Thanks. *stab* I wouldn't want to break the law.
Hey! Take that ninja climbing gear off your boot and attach this wood block with nails instead mister!
This is a naive argument. It is about reduce availability and allowing for greater punishment.
LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT PREVENTION, IT IS RETRIBUTION
@@BeKindToBirds the people making laws arnt part of law enforcement.
@@BeKindToBirds if the gang members would be using butterflies or other banned knives it would be easier to trace it back to them. kitchen knives are so simmilar that its worse for law enforcement to trace the weapon back to someone.
@@BeKindToBirds Yeah but when you have millions of kitchen knives in drawers across the country, and people can stab people with screwdrivers, reducing the availability of obscure ninja weapons doesn't really do anything.
Methods used by people that make up such laws:
( ) Search about weapons with specialists, or use logic.
(X) Watch movies (manly about ninjas)
RyuFireheart I suppose in 1988 everybody was kung-fu fighting.
Emperor_Meer according to contemporary cultural sources they did indeed.
Clearly they were a little bit frightening, hence the laws.
Teenage Mutant... Hero Turtles? Yeah, the UK Gobernment really has issues when it comes to Ninja. I have utterly no idea why...
I suspect it's a factor of dumb teenage boys being obsessed with pseudo-ninja trappings and wanting to keep weapons out of their hands.
...but yes! Wedding rings are literally designed to hurt people. In a particularly cruel way, I must add.
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Damn bruh… mentally especially if shit go wrong
Fantastic argument lol. "What if my brass knuckles are designed to inflict emotional pain?"
Pot of tooth picks: Cylindrical container containing sharp spikes.
@ well there's still that law allowing you to shoot Welshmen at night with a bow.
@ Actually, I think it's still a statutory requirement of all able bodied men to report to the shooting butts every sunday after church for archery practice (all able bodied WORKING CLASS men, that is). Don't think that one ever got repealed.
@@thrownswordpommel7393 no that is a myth
@@foelancer7625 Oh well. Guess I'll be in big trouble if I ever miss one of those bastards and he lives to tell the tale.
Worth mentioning that knife crime in London in the last year has increased by 34%. Since the Zombie Knife ban. Of course the two things are unrelated, because banning 'Zombie Knives' achieved nothing. In fact it was a distraction and obstruction to useful policy. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41822965
Knife crime exploded the moment May restricted 'stop and search'. S&S seems to be effective.
scholagladiatoria one time me and a friend were have a childish stick fight (we were 18) and police officers took us the the police van and nearly took us to the station, the whole weapons situation here in the uk is way to restrictive and poorly worded.
Have you considered the fact that the vast majority of knife crime in the UK is committed with kitchen knives is actually an effect of the success of strict weapon laws? I don't think the majority of knife crime in the 17th or 18th century was committed with kitchen knives, and that wasn't because of a lack of kitchen knives but because of an abundance of other types of knives more suited to killing living beings.
JerehmiaBoaz I rather get attacked by a balisong than a kitchenknife. Try stabbing someone with it and you'll probably injure yourself...
Moreover, it had no effect on the crime rate.
edi A balisong is a typical knife carried in societies where "real knives" (as Crocodile Dundee would say) are prohibited. Try a kitchen knife versus a dagger, a bowie knife, or a kukri.
This is not rumour or opinion, it's a fact. When they added several martial arts items to the banned list a number of years ago (Criminal Justice Act 1988 ) a close friend of mine was in a consultation meeting about the proposals.
If you are wondering why a number of items were added and others that are similar were not. There is a reason. Believe it or not, they had a copy of Combat and Survival magazine and they looked at an advert from IIRC, Battle Orders. They banned everything that was advertised on that page. Seriously, that was the specific reason for the specific items being chosen. They decided that this advert was appealing to criminals and ner do wells. So they just went down that list and added them to the banned list.
That sounds about right.
thegeneral123 The Democrat Party did about the same thing here in the States to come up with the Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 . They flipped through gun catalogues and banned all the " scary looking" guns based on their cosmetic features . Features like pistol grips , folding buttstocks , vertical forgerips, etc. A couple of features that had some limited value such as a flash suppressor or bayonette lug were included . Not these features were totally banned , the weapons could have these features , just the total number of features on any one weapon was limited . So a gun owner had to choose which features he or she wanted on their firearm . Want a bayonette lug and flash hider ? OK , just don't have a folding stock and vertical forgerip too , that's too many scary things at once . Want the folding stock and forgerip ? That's OK too , just have them on a rifle with a bare muzzle . Most of these scary features have no effect on the guns effectiveness . Criminal shooters don't make bayonette charges . Vertical forgerips don't make the weapon any more lethal . Folding stocks make the rifle more compact in storage but are inferior to fixed stocks when actually firing the weapon . Flash hiders help some when engaging enemies in low light situations , but bad guys usually shoot up well lighted places . Bad guys don't usually use rifles anyway . With the exception of a few notable events (Las Vegas Concert , Texas Church ) , criminals use handguns . (In the USA) . I realize that I'm opening up a big can of worms by talking about guns on a channel from the UK . I respect everyone's reasonable opinions , pro and con , just keep it civil , Okay ? Thanks !
I applaud you sir, your well reasoned and clearly stated opinion has lasted an entire day without erupting in a political troll thread hundreds of responses long.
Victor Waddell; I like what you said here. I'm someone in the UK who shoots (at targets in case anti-hunt people want to kill me) and I am limited in what firearms I can buy but the actual selection is pretty good; I can't have a fully automatic or semi-automatic "assault rifle" or an automatic pistol but I can have anything from a Ruger 10/22 to a Barrett .50 or Lee-Enfield .303. I also like your request for people to be civil. Happy New Year!
Grendel Grendelson Happy Shooting there in the UK ! I'm glad to hear from my British brothers and sisters . Keep your powder dry .
Good to know. When they try to tow your car in UK, call the police and report the bloke for possession of an offensive weapon.
Weapon laws are not about safety, they are about control
100% agree
Ban kitchen knives, and only criminals will cook...
Coffee Abernethy britts cannot cook anyway :p
Coffee Abernethy Gordon Ramsay will fucking go crazy
@@charlottewalnut3118 That would be a short trip! LOL.
Coffee Abernathy - Well! I suppose my cooking could be considered criminal. I do try not to look when eating it.
Step 1 slice the carrot
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1980s: Shuriken
2010s: Fidget Spinners
Baker7498 society got really lame. I rather have my kid handle knives and fire under supervision rather than prohibiting everything until it comes to age and does all sorts of stupidities...
Baker7498 shuriken...the original figet spinner
a bearing would probably be the worst possible thing you could add to a shuriken lol. Worse than tassels. But I mean, we all knew that form factor was completely useless when it came out...
I don't know about the UK, but in the US, balisongs are very commonly called Butterfly Knives. It's the common name for the knife in everyday use, most people don't even know the term ballisong. is. So that might just be the American usage. I have seen some confusion with the short Chinese swords, but I've usually heard them called Butterfly Swords instead of knives, presumably to avoid this confusion..
To expand on this; it may be a translation of balisong in American spaces in East Asia, especially spaces exemplified by Singapore, where "balisong" refers specifically to a knife-length blade in colonial law rather than the contemporary and colloquial uses which may be more rooted in local usage rather than colonial usage.
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As Someone who Has spent A lot of time around Chinese Weapons and Martial Arts "Butterfly Sword" is actually a Much more accurate Translation For the Chinese verson of the Weapon. "Húdié Shuāngdāo" (the Chinese Wording) Translate quite directly to "Butterfly Short Sword" So your very much correct in that reguard.
on a side note In Canada Butterfly knives are generally the widley used term for the balisong.
This video is the first time I've heard of a "balisong". A "butterfly" knife however I've heard of in relation to high profile murder.
Maybe I should mention that I'm from Sweden and the knife laws here do include kitchen knives the same way it does any of these objects.
The term balisong as I understand it was the original term, as I believe the knife was originally from the Philippines, and then the term butterfly knife was just what it became to be called later in by people taking it home after war time or vacation
From California and butterfly knife is used a lot more than balisong, but the name balisong is known
Cop: Oi, you've a container containing a number of spikes,
Me (carrying a suitcase full of darts and arrows): But is not cylindrical, officer.
Cop: Okay, then that's all right then. Move along.
The right to keep and bear arms used to be protected under British Common Law. It is where the 2nd Amendment came from. It can be regarded as a natural right, and as a natural right it cannot be taken away, it can only be suppressed. Time for people to recognize their natural rights and start to reclaim them.
@Paddy Hickman wrong you can look it up and also find a reference to Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England Volume One, On the Rights of Persons 1765.
@Paddy Hickman wrong again.
@Paddy Hickman Because I used my cell phone, here you go, a direct quote, “THE RIGHT TO ARMS: The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute . . . and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.”
@Paddy Hickman doesn't it just say that defending yourself is allowed with only a few restrictions? Likely killing your alleged attacker in self defense and such.
rights r made up tho. more like common sense needs to be apply, not what your rights are. you 100% should be able to defend yourself but at the same time we dont want a warzone
Basically this law came from the same place as the absolutely brain dead dangerous dogs act and all the current problems RUclips is having with advertisers did.
1. Tabloids make up some nonsense
2. People with more opinions than sense demand "there should be a law!!"
3. Civil service/lawyers: But there already is... (its already illegal to carry around weapons to do a crime, concealed knives are already illegal, this law is just pointless)
4. Newspaper followers: Why isn't the government doing anything?
5. Government: hey this is a thing! Let's do it! See how proactive we are?
Blah b- You're on the wrong channel, mate.
Everyone agrees there should some controls; wherever you draw the line it will be unacceptable to some.
You're terrible at trolling
"Muh spooky NRA!!11!!!!!" WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???!!!!!
Wait a minute going by these definitions, wouldn't a skipping rope count as a manriki gusari? Sorry little girls looks like your all criminals. Police should immediately raid all UK boxing gyms and confiscate all of their skipping ropes.
don't forget Ice axes fitting the definition of a Kusarigama the UK really hate mountain climbers
Stephen Curtin all those little pigtailed hooligans callously brandishing their manriki gusari, swinging them around carelessly! They deserve what's coming to them!
On the subject of mountain climbers, crampons would also qualify as foot claws.
I myself have been brutally attacked by an elementary schoolgirl with a manrikigusari. Thankfully, I survived and the boys were able to retake the playground with their truncheons.
hmmm Chain in the middle, handle on one end, heavy weight on the other, i'm guessing i best be careful walking my fat dog.
A cylindrical container containing a number of sharp spikes, so a quiver? But yes, the box of nails is an even better example on how stupid this particular description is.
I live in a quiet location in a village. I welcome this list as it addresses a serious crime problem in my area.
A least three times a week gangs come past my house carrying offensive weapons and I am pleased I now know I can call the police and have them dealt with.
These are often sizeable gangs of middle aged criminals carrying friction lock telescopic truncheons. I know they would call them walking poles but I know better now.
We have these too, but they are older and wear velcro sneakers. They're often found walking in shopping malls early in the morning.
If laws weren't "clumsily written" and open to misinterpretation, lawyers (who wrote the laws) wouldn't be able to make nearly as much money arguing about them.
Oh yes diamond rings are meant to cause injury. To your wallet.
It's that gold metal band that you really should fear ;)
And your soul, a marriage is basically a funeral for your happiness.
Use it as a weapon and you get 10 years.
Put it on a woman's finger and it's a life sentence.
These laws only limit good people from training or limit their human right to self-defense.
Shinigami Kaze that’s what it’s there for, government do this so it’s law abiding citizens are disarmed. Things are normally easier if the government decides to be a tyranny when it’s people are disarmed
Only the criminals have rights in the UK! YOU ARE " SUBJECT'S"" subjects do not have rights - Keep worshipping your Royalty and kneel before the bearocrats they know what's best and will take good care of you!!
Dan Tone Look, you’re obviously American. You don’t bother to talk to us. We don’t worship the monarchy. We want your constitutional rights. We need your free speech. We need your second amendment. Getting guns here is extremely difficult. Even airsoft guns. You have to play airsoft at a certified field a few times just to get the paperwork that allows you to buy an airsoft gun.
@@bigredwolf6 hes speaking as if hes the lawmaker...
Robert Harris Yea. I get that now. Hindsight is 2020.
If I write "idiot" on a weapon and it hurts someone's feelings, does that make it "offensive"?
Oh yes, it's like that spell written in dwarven runes on Zoltan's weapon in Witcher. The spell meaning was: "go f.ck mo...ckers" ;)
I guess it was a pretty offensive spell choice ;)
It's funny that you think any of these should be regulated. I'm a police officer in the US, State of Tennessee. Tennessee in the past few years repealed a law limiting the carry of knives with a length over 4 inches. So now you can carry any length blade you want, including swords. Assaults with knives have not increased, and criminals I've dealt with who carry knives still have mostly kitchen knives and box cutters. Regulating any of these doesn't reduce violent crimes.
I agree incidentally. I think the only knives where there may be an argument for regulation are ones which are specifically designed to avoid detection in airports and suchlike.
It's almost like criminalization isn't a concern of criminals.
France has regs on locking vs non-locking, but no regulation on length. But you don't see criminals carrying around gigantic Lagoulies because that would just be silly.
The context for the "ninja" weapons is most likely just that this was written in the 1980s and the ninja craze was in full swing. And likely some teenagers hurt themselves or others by playing with some exotic weapon that looked cool. Similar laws showed up in the US too, but they're all varied by state (and sometimes city). I'm a bit surprised the nunchaku isn't on that list considering it's one of the most famous weapons like that which are banned in various places in the US.
But I think the ultimate intent was simply to prevent import and manufacture of weapons that were 1) Easy to conceal and/or 2) Had no purpose other than as a weapon. The wording was sloppy so possibly includes things it wasn't meant to, and all these exotic weapons jumped to mind based on the then current fads. Hence why the 'zombie knife' was added more recently, it's the current fad.
The irony is I think most of us made nunchaku as kids... least I did. Unless you are going to ban wooden dowels and chain or rope anyone can make one... if a kid can make it how effective can banning it be?
Yeah, a lot of the specific bans are pretty questionable responses to a craze. And the simple nature of construction does make the attempt to limit supply more difficult.
DoktorWeasel wel what is a nunchaku other than a really short kusari
Nunchukau are on the list. Covered under the one about a length of flexible cord-ish stuff with a weight or hand grip attached to either end. Nunchukau just have a different ratio between weight size and cord size than the examples shown.
What I find amusing is that the three-stick variant isn't covered because the description specifies two.
"A band of metal (or other hard material) worn on one or more fingers..." So wedding rings are banned? "... and designed to cause injury" Oh that's fine then, if it's just designed to look cool then it is legal.
I know men who think that wedding rings are designed to cause injury... Lol!
This is equivalent of the US Assault Weapons Ban - banning weapons because they look scary.
I can't wait for all those high capacity magazines to be used up..😉
17:40 - Just in case it hasn't been said already, "butterfly knife" is what most Americans call a balisong.
Germans too. Never before heard the word balisong.
Which is NOT the same as the Chinese "Butterfly SWORD". When you're a "weapons specialist" and don't know crap about weapons.
Saw that one for the first time in French, where a picture of a balisong was annotated with "couteau papillon" (= "butterfly knife").
@@forge20 -- Eh. Most Western names like that are bullshit and pulled out of someone's ass anyhow.
This is a nation that used to rule the world. Sad.
This is civilised pal nothing sad about that
I prefer the animating contest of freedom to the “civilized” tranquility of servitude, my formerly empowered friend :)
Ral Esper for real bro
@@smokeyjoe7798According to your "civilized" government in the UK: in the event you are criminally attacked, die if you must, but don't defend yourself, as that's not civilized. Self defense will be severely punished.
The thing that immediately came to mind with the "kusari", or weighted chain thing was...."Skipping ropes? You mean skipping ropes, don't you?"
or a USB cable maybe? Definately an old SCART cable those are lethal!
Yes! The insidious skipping rope, hidden in plain sight on school premises everywhere!
Or just a normal electrical plug
Rope with two hard handles on each end... Seriously the exact description of a skipping rope!
If these things weren't banned, we'd obviously see an enormous ammount of gang violence utilizing fishing rods and skipping ropes.
"Guilty until proven innocent" should be something to hevely protest against.
Also, on the idea of truncheons and what it means, it can impact disabled people quite easily. I use my cane on a regular basis. I also have a "travel cane" that can be folded, but in certain legal contexts can be considered as a "folding or collapsing truncheon" since it's a cane that can fold into a carrying bag on things like airplanes. There's quite a few folding canes that can fit within "collapsible truncheon" under the definitions provided. Even by UK law.
What about the result of the work around to previous British weapons laws, the shillelagh. They are often even weighted with lead.
Hiking sticks are often telescopic or adjustable to some extent. Better arrest all those ramblers.
No free man should ever have to explain why he owns weapons.
Devil advocate: Do not ask me to explain why I have a bazooka and do not even dare to mention my 30 mm machine gun (rest in heaven grandpa :( ).
What about 30mm GAU 8? or WMD's? Get that retarded americunt logic out of ur head if u have one.
@@SSchithFoo you're a fucking idiot. Enjoy your time time as a gilded slave.
Unarmed men dont stay free for long.
@@SSchithFoo shut the fuck up you dumb ass
If fishing rods are outlawed, only outlaws will have fishing rods!
Hand lining, hobo fishing from bottles and spools also works.
My working theory is the house of commons watched an American Ninja Movie Marathon before the debate and amendments. this law is from 1988.
5 minutes father into the video you say the same thing.
Based on the timing, my guess is that it's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (or the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles as they became, because apparantly even the *word* "ninja" is too dangerous in the UK)
You're right. UK Government lost their shit over anything "Ninja " related. TMNT was Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, here. scenes showing nunchaku were edited out. Thinking about it, the UK edit of Enter the Dragon had the epic nunchaku scene edited out, originally.
rofl, really, they changed the name ? im gonna have to go look this up now :P
I get the feeling that if they could get away with it, they'd just go ahead and ban any "object or objects between 1mm and 300,000 km in length, constructed from hard or soft material (solid, liquid or gas), which may be worn, carried, stood near, otherwise detected using any scientific instrument, or imagined"
14:55
Darth Vader: Prepare for the full on assault of the UK rebel alliance.
"Lord Vader, our death star is on the banned weapons list of the rebel fleet! "
Darth Vader: aghhhhhhhh! This is a disturbance in the force!
The 'defence' to the curved 50cm sword law isn't an elimination of the presumption of innocence, technically. You are still presumed innocent of not possessing the offending item until proven otherwise. At that point, once possession of an offending item is proven, then your innocence is no longer presumed, and at THAT point then you may mount a defence to explain why your posession of the item should not be punished. It's a horribly overbroad law, though. And why only curved blades? A longsword will kill you just fine.
Maybe the swords used in various orders Freemasonry are all straight...
Only a guess
Technically, no.. but practically, yes. Which is his point, I believe.
Yeah I was double checking the laws when I was buying an Albion. Apparently they've had issues having the swords kept by customs at the airport until the customer goes there in person and provides ID, but it's strange that a straight sword is fine but a curved sword is somehow too deadly to be allowed in the hands of a regular joe.
apparently, it is because there were a bunch of chavs running around with cheap shitty katanas that were used for street crime.
@@foelancer7625 makes sense... People use an object in a way that's already against the law? Make the object illegal too!
That'll stop the criminals that aren't obeying the law from doing illegal things!
I love how almost everything on this list is just mall ninja shit. 🤣
My country allows me to have and carry almost any blade I like. And still the most dangerous one I own is a huge kitchen knife that has a width and potential application of a crude bowie fighting knife. I'd pick it for a fight even over my machete because it's more nimble and still has a blade as long as my forearm and could cut like a sword.
What do you use it for in your kitchen?
AverageHomeboy nothing, it's an old carbon steel kitchen knife I keep as a collector's item for it's fun value. I have no need for such a huge blade.
ok I see. thanks
I actually have a filleting knife the length of a forearm that I use to fillet large salmon, it even has a small guard-like finger protector. And it't so sharp and nimble it would be extremely deadly if I decided to use it as a weapon.
Hell, a meat cleaver is essentially a light axe, think about the cuts those can cause. Easily going through a bone and meat in a single light chop.
Personally, in a situation where I have to defend myself, my first inclination is to pepper spray and run. If that doesn't pan out I'd use my pistol (Yay, 'Murica).
I have a nice quality folding pocket knife I have with me almost all the time, and it would litterally be my very last resort to fight with.
Most of these aren't Ninja weapons, they are Ninja traversal or distraction tools.
By this definition, a skipping rope is a manriki gusari?
They apparently had a large problem with Ninjas climbing up multiple stories into building to kill them with a curved sword, or on the top of building to snipe using shuriken.
These Ninja would also occasionally steal a jump rope from a child to arm themselves, proceeding to strangle two men at once while bludgeoning another.
The belt buckle knife makes sense. Nothing else does, really. As you state in your addendum, a kitchen knife is much more dangerous weapon than any of these "offensive" weapons. A punch dagger, while dangerous, isn't as flexible in its use as a kitchen knife, and the majority of them are much smaller.
My question, though, is:
Who came up with this list? It's obvious that they didn't consult anyone knowledgeable of how to use edged weapons and how dangerous certain weapons are.
Don't underestimate punch daggers, they are lethal with proper technique, you don't need more than 2" of penetration to sever a carotid artery or puncture the heart in between the ribs. They're also far easier to conceal than classic knives, both to carry and to use, in a dark place you may not notice that your opponent is holding one in his fist before he actually strikes you with it, so I completely agree with their inclusion on the banned list.
If weapons bans worked, then why do police still need weapons? They shouldn't need them right? Because the truth is, everyone pushing for weapons bans knows intuitively they don't work. They're just acting out of fear, or for political gain.
Bill Kennedy What strange logic? So if a cop stopped a known gang member with an AK47 and AK47s weren't banned, he would have to let him go as that wouldn't be a crime. Ridiculous 😂
If you honestly believe that hundreds of thousands of people in the UK would love to go out and rob, rape, or burgle people but refrain from doing so for the sole reason that they can't get their hands on shuriken, congratulations, you just won the prize for most gobsmackingly stupid imbecile among the 3 billion people on this planet who have access to the Internet.
I'm not "underestimating" anything. Of course punch daggers are "lethal with proper technique." Any knife is.
Any knife only needs two inches of penetration to kill. As a teenager, I regularly carried a regular knife on my person at all times, never once got caught. Any semi-small knife is easy to conceal.
Literally everything you've said applies to regular knives.
Next up: UK government bans knives, spoon crime on the rise!!! Attacks with spoons gone up by 3 million percent!
watch out! they got a SPOON! XD
GOVERNMENT TAKES ACTION TO BAN LARGE SPOONS
SOUP KITCHENS AND ICE CREAM PARLOURS TO BE EXEMPT
Wouldn't be spoons. Would probably be pens and pencils if it wasn't sporting equipment.
"Why a spoon?" "Because it's blunt & hurts more!" I think they'd go to forks & screwdrivers first, but there's chisels too.
HMU for 3D printed ghost Sporks...
The spikey feet one is so abssurd, cricket "spikes" come to mind lol
Golf shoes. Running Spikes. Or most specifically Crampons. Wave good bye to all kinds of sports.
Mountaineering crampons
Spiked ice running shoes, they have longer spikes than most spike shoes used for running on rubber tracks, tho track and field shoes in general (tho walking with those except for on grass is a pain) metal studded football shoes depending on how sharp you define spike as. Couldn't a crutch be classed as a side handled truncheon, and for straight truncheons, walking sticks, umbrellas, and if you don't say anything about length, a bloody pencil. (Tho never underestimate how much a steel ballpoint pen hitting you on a bony area hurts, same goes for keys ofc)
Not just fishing, jump ropes are banned too.
skipping rope, "hold it right there 8 year old schoolgirl and drop your weapon"
Dammit now I will have to throw Poison frogs at my enemies...haha
I use snakes (I'm Aussie) You can find laying on the ground any where.
Oi! ...Got a loicense for that frog?
"Antique versions are exempt under the law" Oh, how I wish that were true here.
IPostSwords where
So since the Death Star was created a long time ago (as per the initial statement in all the movies), does it qualify as an antique weapon? Are reproductions also exempt?
All Death Stars were destroyed, so you can only find reproductions now.
Not the stealth Death Star. It was hidden within a comb... a really huge comb that some mistook for a moon.
And it was undoubtedly an offensive weapon, with destroying a planet and all...
You could also argue that the 'Offensive Weapons List', is not only useless against crimes commited with knifes - but also, it hurts the common man, that does not wish to harm others with a knife.
Example: Good ol' John (Ye know him), heads off to the local fishing pond, to have some nice and quiet time for himself, all is good, but as he returns home later that day, he is stopped by a couple police officers, that then confiscates Johns fishing knife, and slaps him with a fine for "carrying a weapon". T'is truly a sad day for John.
It's illegal to "carry a knife in public without good reason". Travelling to and from a fishing lake would likely be considered a valid reason so not charged in first place. www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
One thing about the "butterfly knifes": Here in Germany they're banned since a few years and though I'm collecting knifes I have to say in my eyes it makes sence. The reason is: When I was in school years ago everybody (including me) carried a butterfly knife. Not mainly as a weapon, more used as a "toy", proofing your skills and you can do many "tricks" with them. So they were a funny thing. Like a jojo, just a bit more "cool". But the problem was that almost everybody everywhere (at school, street, parties etc.) just had a butterfly knife in his pocket. Not mentioned to harm someone, they were "just all around".
And then, when a fight started (we were drunk or it was about a girl or whatever) everyone had a knife and some used it in the heat of the fight or because of alcohol. If they weren't used as a toy I don't think so many guys would have carried a knife and it all would have ended with a fist fight. So for that reason I understand why they're banned though you're right, a kitchen knife is more dangerous. But young people just don't carry kitchen knifes all the time... at least I hope so. ;-)
BTW: Great videos, thank you!!
It's all good for you Matt, but I'm terrified of the Ninja Turtles. They could be anywhere, waiting for me at any time.
Hey, thats Hero Turtles. Ninja has excessively violent connotations.
Carl Jones Shredder is that you?
Legislation tends to result from tabloid newspaper journalists watching '80s Hollywood ninja movies.
"A cylindrical container, containing a number of sharp spikes" aka "pencil case"
Haha, though luck. I used a rectangular one.
Why out law weapons instead of just increase the punishment for attacking someone with any weapon? This is why bureaucrats are the end of vigorous civilization.
The punishment is already there, the laws can be used to disarm the holder before the attack is carried out.
@@gleggett3817 There is no way to disarm someone who truly wants to hurt people.
@@Mr_JManM but disarming youths on the streets limits spontaneous assault.
"Clearly the UK government is really really scared of ninjas" almost spat my drink out!
Did they go to BudK and say ban everything from this website?
The moment he said foot claw I couldn't take this seriously anymore
It took you that long?
What IF, someone rode a bicycle with foot claws on 'em. Leaped off it, round kicking you in the head, mid air. Then you would take it seriously..
If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.
Odens Bärsärk I didn't consider that possibility
Oberstgreup last thick we need right now is goddamn ninjas coming after the queen
Of course the Home Office is afraid of Ninjas. A better question would be why aren't YOU more afraid of Ninjas!?!
Out of sight, out of mind.
@25:57 "disguised knife," also next on the list but also, the belt buckle knife earlier.. and the sword stick... 4 laws for the same thing.
every time he says "you cant hurt anyone with this, maybe a minor cut" i imagine it slamming into my eye
If not for the "bar" part of the foot claw definition then it would include climbing crampons, which are probably far more dangerous to be hit by anyways.
I think a lot of tree climbing spikes do have a bar part.
Arya Stark I can't comment on tree climbing crampons but mountain climbing ones use a metal frame all around the sole of the foot and I Don't think that constitutes a 'bar'.
I have a pair of lawn aerating spiked soles that strap to your shoes so you can aerate the lawn simply walking on it. They'd be offensive weapons then, as would running spikes.
Matt, try to put yourself into the shoes of the politicians.
in the current political climate, assassinations are not out of the question.
And what deadlier assassin than a ninja? Their blades are folded a 1000 times for god's sake!
"in the current political climate, assassinations are not out of the question."
As opposed to the political climate in every _other_ decade, where everyone held hands and sang "Kumbaya."
I mean, they can cut right through gun barrels ffs.
+OhioGentleman
I wasn't really making a serious case for the dangers of ninja assassinations.
Neither was I, I just couldn't miss the chance to make that joke.
What I'm hearing is: modern government is the best kind ever, because they have finally acted upon the ancient and ever-present ninja threat.
I was so expecting to hear you say the number one offensive weapon is a pointed stick.
The home office is banning fucking cylindrical containers with spikes in them? What a glorious nation we live in!
12:05 Regarding the Kubotan, 0 (zero) is a number. They seem to have designated all cylinders as offensive weapons here.
All hail the mathematical pedant. Have a thumbs up.
The Government is so wary of Ninjas that when the cartoon "Teenage mutant ninja turtles" came out in the U.K they changed "Ninja" for "Hero" !! Even the word instilled fear!
BBC did that, not the UK Government. It is Government owned but not Government run.
Phew! I’m so glad that the whole time I was in the UK I was protected from those dastardly kusarigamas. You never know when you might encounter someone with a sickle attached to a rope these days.
.....so, am i being led to belive that now i am going to be forced to remove the ben hur chariot style blades from my bmx wheels??, this is a very sad state of affairs😂
They fear the weeaboo army from anime land.
I fear no weeb. What I fear... I fear the wehraboo
Speaking as someone who was hit by a pub dart (in the forearm), it doesn't do any appreciable damage, it didn't even hurt.
It isn't about safety. Just like the decades long UK ban of hardcore porn, it is about banning something that the public, in the opinion of the establishment, should not have, want, need or possess. Zombie knives are no more dangerous than kitchen knives, but they may appeal to impressionable people who need to be stopped from having them, wanting them, brandishing them. Just like the UK media continually clutch their pearls over 'US gun culture' - as if the UK never had a gun culture - they are simply offended by 'zombie knives', nothing more.
"The UK government is scared of ninjas"
I spent 5 years training in Ninjitsu and I'm an avid Angler.
Ok officer, I'll come quietly.
With the Kusari list you regretfully left out the infamous and deadly: Ball-in-a-Cup!
I live in California, and most of the same weapons are banned here for equally unexplained and inexplicable reasons. On the other hand, it's not terribly difficult to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm if you provide the right documentation. But, despite a quarter century of training in Filipino Martial Arts, if I walk outside with a balisong in my pocket I am subject to arrest. What makes that extra ridiculous to my mind is that my FMA training specifically emphasizes using the knife to incapacitate an opponent quickly without going lethal, and my firearm training explicitly says to put a tight group center mass in an effort to kill instantly.
The first response to your introduction is basically that scary, loud or cool weapons tend to be used more, and the more weapons that someone might use, the more likely they become to use each one. I remember something from Lindybeige about this psychological phenomenon.
The foot claw? What the everloving fuck? That's not a weapon that's a device for not slipping on icy ground.
The UK is getting seriously out of hand.
44SCB Getting? This law is 29 years old
As if this is happening just now?
If only someone had stopped them before they became an empire. I'm looking at you, France...
Time to write a strongly worded letter to your queen.
Make sure to carbon-copy Prince Bigears, I understand he does most of her work for her these days.
I don't know why, but every time Matt says "The government is afraid of ninjas." I piss myself laughing, the ridiculousness of the statement and he funny the sentence sounds is top notch. Good point's as ever!
Despite having a love and hate relationship with weapon laws in my country, i am really glad they focus more on the nature of the weapon and the intention of the person carrying it than just making lists.
The Crown be crazy !
Britons have regrettably been slaves for some time now.
I hope and pray that one day the strong and honorable men (and there are still MANY) of the commonwealth will rise up and reclaim their God-given birthright of liberty.
Remember gentlemen: Free men do not ask permission to arm themselves. You boys are my brothers, and I hate to see you living on your knees. Start the fight now, while you still outnumber your enemy. I’ll see you on the field ⚔️🇬🇧🏴🏴
Most "ninja weapons" are stupid and far more dangerous to the user than to anyone else. I've seen countless cases of self inflected wounds with such "weapons" (they're more like idiotic toys if in my opinion), so I guess the main reason they are banned is to prevent kids from playing with them. Zombie knives may also be included for similar reasons, as nobody in their right mind would carry such a stupid looking knife to commit a crime with.
Those Subjects Groom Up so well!!! How does making yourself helpless make you safer???
I grew up on the streets of Liverpool in 1980's and it was dangerous & rough as fu**‼️ I've had every conceivable weapons threatened with. Including nunchaku and throwing stars, knives guns, a
petrol grinder , you name it. If people plan to carry an offensive weapon they will, no matter what the non existent police force or the court system has to say; In prison for instance , I've heard they use razer blade melted in to a tooth brush and shanks out of pieces of metal. You must always assume a potential enemy has a weapon & always go for the eyes, or throat,nose, collar bone & not give your opponent the opportunity to get up and pull out a weapon. It is against the law in England to protect yourselves against an attack.‼️ & Often your attacker gets away with a stabbing because the police don't do Thier job.❗ For example, my wife was stabbed in the belly by a rapist. She resisted, so he picked up a stake knife off the draining board and stabbed her in the belly & ran out the back door. The police said she stabbed herself to get out of doing any paperwork and doing thier job‼️
This was before we met.
& Before this" illegal immigrant invasion "‼️‼️
so you can just imagine how bad crime is now‼️🇬🇧
The swedish comparable law includes "karate sticks" as the law states it. Wich means the so called nun chaku
Karate sticks, LOL
So like, two twigs and a shoelace?
But at the same time, it's apparently perfectly fine to allow actual nazi militias marching in public armed with shields, helmets and banner poles "decorated" with blunt spear heads that they have used as improvised pikes before...
And they still aren't registered as a terrorist organisation despite constant attacks on society, including but not limited to arson against private homes of politicians, bombings and arson against union offices and refugee housing facilities, political murders etc...
All combined with openly declaring war against the state and the system of constitutional monarchy with the expressed intent to replace it with a nazi autocratic police state...
I know this is a cliche thing to say, but that sounds like a name for a band.
People who make laws often dont know about the thing they are making the laws about. This is a common problem.
Spears and pole arms all good then, lovely, im going back to the workshop
Thank GOD I live in Free America! I have been carrying a folding knife since I won my Boy Scout Totem Chip at age 12. I have been carrying a firearm since I was 18 (working for the Sheriff) and 21 (as a Policeman and a private citizen with a permit). I pray that one day Free Englishmen will rise up and regain their freedom.
Englishmen gain liberty by emigrating. On the upside, we have very little fatal crime. In 2015 for example, US people shot over 1000 people dead. UK police shot 3 people dead.
Probably why they must be specifically strapped to the shoe and not part of it is that althletic cleats may have be interpreted as illegal as a result
All mountaineers using crampons are criminals. I always knew there was something shifty about them.
Nothing like a good piece of hickory Matt
I don't believe that all of the writers of these laws are as stupid or foolish as your comments imply, and I don't believe that they are as well meaning as you suggest. Many people love the idea of destroying a culture simply because those people are motivated by hatred of anything that someone else enjoys. Often, these are weak, pathetic, cowardly people who dislike the idea of anyone else engaging in activities that would be beyond their limited scope of life. As a result, they are happy to see laws written in a way that encompasses traditional and cultural activities. This allows them to hamper something that they just don't like under the guise of "public safety." They will support politicians and bureaucrats making a law overly broad because they can pretend that they are doing something noble while they push their own preferences on everyone else.
I'm thankful to live in a part of the USA where these kinds of people have much less power. As a result, I can own push daggers, cutlasses, and other kinds of bladed weapons. While the knife that I carry most of the time has a blade just under three inches, I've chosen this knife for comfort in my pocket. If I wanted to carry a knife that had a four-inch blade, I could legally do so. I'm too old to become skilled at any of those swinging chain weapons, but living in a place that gets large amounts of snow, I'm thankful that I can put a heavy chain with heavy hooks on both ends in the back of my car and not be accused of carrying some kind of weapon. That makes pulling someone else out of a ditch or getting someone else to pull me out of a ditch much easier. I'm also thankful that they haven't outlawed spiked attachments for our shoes. Most of us keep these devices handy for walking on ice. Granted, the most effective ones use spikes that are only a millimeter or two long. Those small spikes give enough traction on the ice and are easier for walking when we have to cross areas that aren't covered in ice. However, if these kinds of people came to power in my state, I'm sure that they would pass equally stupid laws and be happy to disrupt all kinds of innocent uses of objects because that's the kind of evil people that they are.
Meanwhile in America: Texas legalizes open carry of swords.
Let freedom ring boi.
In most states it's not technically illegal.
@@planescaped Technically, in my state (Maine), if we want to carry a sword, we HAVE to wear it openly.
Isnt anal sex illegal in Texas?
I have a concealed carry permit in my state of Wisconsin in the USA but I accidentally left my blackjack in my wife’s car and she drove across to boarder into Illinois yesterday and was pulled over and subsequently arrested and charged with a felony and we had her car seized as far as I can tell they’re keeping her car. We’ll see in three weeks in the main court date. I carry because I work in a very high crime area and have been in multiple personal violent incidents in the last 10 years
The Chinese weapon you referred to is generally called a butterfly sword, not a butterfly knife. Here in America, at least where I live, "butterfly knife" is a common term for a balisong knife.