I am sorry you have got to be one of the most impatient RUclipsrs in the Warhammer community 😄 If CA only makes DLC every 5 months oh! That's a DLC drought! If games workshop only drip-feed information on Warhammer old world for every 3-5 months then that is not good enough either?? 😅 Quality takes time. So let's give them that and let them wait until they really got some to show.
@@Rex1987 you must either not be a Total War player nor a tabletop player if you think quality takes time lmao Tabletop for all main settings is in a shit place right now Warhammer 3 had a bad release
I concur. Yesterday the two games i was most looking forwad to seeing info about was The Old World and Horus Heresy. I'm glad that HH looks to be the big late summer/ fall game release. Let's hope that next year Old World is the big late summer/fall release
I feel like if they had swapped the Cathay map and the Border Princes map, it would have felt a little better. Also, at this point, with the drip feed, I'm starting to think that they have like, 5 people working on the Old World lore and rules maybe once a week in a voice call. Seriously, the last real reveal of information was at the Border Princes map, and it was basically nothing other than "Hey the Border Princes exist, we're going to use it as a lore justification for some old world factions that might not normally fight each other, and here are some flags and names".
I'm really doubting old world is gonna be good. Literally all the things i like about Cathay and Kislev have been either in old world or are taken from popular Fan supllemets (this is a common GW strategy, plagiarizing fan content and getting past Copyright by giving it a slightly different name ), while it ignores my favorite parts of their old lore (and in case of Cathays Ying and Yang philosophy stupidly retcons it into something that is both less interesting and breaks Warhammer lore ). Then all factions are gonna lack their most fun tools (with the exception of High elves because those are essentially stagnant ancient Greek people with magic)
Anytime somebody starts promoting an IP years in advance it's always a huge red flag. Look at things like the American Godzilla movie, Cyberpunk, WoW's last several expansions, the last Guns and Roses album.... all junk. I'm very much a "show me what you got" kinda guy.
The theory that it was just made to troll mantic when they released kings of war 3rd edition, still sounds plausible with the lack of anything of substance being released so far. Like hey, we don't even have a render, sisters of battle got a render of the Amalia novena model when they announced the plastic models.
I've made a lot of posts on the CA forums and reddit about Bretonnia getting new content. I got into fantasy during WH1. I fell in love with Bretonnia during WH1. I may not have waited since 6th, 7th, or even 8th edition. But I am excited to get my hands on updated lore, new units, and new characters. *Imagine the art.*
I completely agree with you Nathan! I visit Warhammer community website almost every day hoping for new Old World articles but nothing and it is starting to become frustrating this lack of information, especially after 2 years from the announcement. It makes you feel like no progresses has been done in the development even if we know this is not the case. So they definitely need to start pushing with new articles, at least 1 per month and not 1 every 3 months!
It's killing all of Warhammer. I got more news back in the 90s when white dwarf came to my house once a month than I do in the "information age". CA and games work shop are really shitting the bed right now.
Lol ain't that the truth. Then again, back in the 90s White Dwarf was still a magazine worth buying instead of being a glorified catalogue like it is now
Remembering the time when people thought Dwarfs weren't getting DLCs because CA was waiting for Warhammer the Old World dwarfs to come out and pad out their roster.
@@LordVader1094 Tbf to them, the last dwarf DLC was 6 years ago. The first communications about Warhammer the Old World were 2 and 1/2 years ago and it only became clear that they have absolutely nothing recently. Side note : the last dwarf DLC came out 6 years ago!
I honestly have been very unconnected from Warhammer the Old World so much that I completely missed the Tomb Kings confirmation posted a couple days ago and almost forgot the project altogether.
I mean Lizardmen and Dark Elves are actually pretty available to buy on tabletop right now, the majority of Lizardmen and Dark Elf models survived the transition to AOS, all you need is some square bases.
I feel like the distance the game is away is part of the problem here. like it's completely understandable that the game is so far off but they just shouldn't have announced it so early. of course people are going to expect news about it once it's announced, if it hadn't been announced yet we wouldn't even have this current problem. if they announced it perhaps, 6-8 months before release then that's still plenty of time to build hype with much less risk of hype fading due to them being forced to drip feed information, announcing it years in advance just meant that there'd never be enough news to fill in the gap. and of course they can't now just stop giving news altogether, that'd annoy people and drain hype even more than dripfeeding does.
With every month that passes I am more and more convinced the initial announcement was just GWs efforts at stealing Mantic's thunder on their KoW 3rd edition announcement. The Old World must of been in initial design meetings when they made their announcement, why even do that if you're years away from even being at an advertising ready stage? Books published and piled up, models on pallets ready to ship? This is going to be dead on arrival.
I written up some unused army lists, its based on 8th and gives a well rounded cultures including Nippon, Cathay, Ind, and aracnae under empire, Cuthulis, serpemtkin, and Aztec style cultures, please enjoy
I fully agree. It feel`s much more like a bad managed kickstarter from 2 guys working in their spare time then a prestigous project from the market leader. Well at least there are the old editions and different fanmade versions. (Shoutout for the Warhammer Armies Project which combines different elements from 6th and 8th editions, excellent stuff for casual players with good representation on RUclips).
Sorry I’m not really into Warhammer tabletop but I’ve been a hardcore fan of Total War Warhammer since it came out. What’s the significance of square bases for models on the tabletop?
I really think that CA needs two marketing programs: what they been doing (for the older fans) and something easier to digest for fans like me who never played the board game but wants to. I just started getting into AOS (swamp orks) and I’m so confused about the info coming out. Any real info comes out with hype and predictions and I have no way of telling the difference.
Considering this is the time of the 3 emperors, I was super hyped when they first announced it because of how important it is to the undead, they're an actually threat to the empire at this time. Now I'm left wondering what will come first an announcement about VC in the old world or an announcement for VC DLC for WTW 3
Actually miles, they have released a Kislev map for old world. That map had it owning parts of the empire it conquered under Mishka and lost in 1800. Meaning this is before the vampire counts even existed in lore. Furthermore literally all cool vampire units (Hexwraiths, Cairn wraith's, Mortis engines, vargheists, varghulfs, abyssal terrors and zombie dragons ) don't exist yet.
Strange that the Old World has Albion have such a huge footprint on the map and yet CA still haven't acknowledged it or incorporated it into the setting yet. If CA do add Albion with new models I will likely buy some models just to get into painting them as I would love to see them incorporated into Warhammer 3. We are talking about the literal garden of Eden of the Warhammer setting that fallen and become corrupted and is still inhabited by the descendants of the earliest and greatest of the first humans who the Old Ones brought to the island when they inhabited the world.
Plus it also has free uncorrupted fimir, it's own monsters and Magic and intelligent giants. Really weird they never got an army or DLC. I assumed it was gonna be a DLC when Albion was on the Warhammer two map.
same thing with warhammer 3, i was really hyped when it was first announced but after 2 delays warhammer 3 just became a footnote that I kinda forget about until January
I'm gonna bet Old World will come in summer 2023 It seems GW likes to launch a new edition every year (2020 was 40k, 2021 was AoS and this year there will be a new Horus Heresy Edition)
I think GW doesn't expect the Old World to do good outside of old Warhammer Fantasy fan returning (you yourself mentions old timers returning)...my own game club is mostly made of newbies from AoS and most of them couldn't care less, because the informations of the articles are never pointed toward us. -They say the rules are gonna be from 1st to 8th...well, great I haven't played any, what does it mean ? -That obscure Region from the old lore is making a come back...again, I miss the part where I should care ? -New factions are being added. Okay, that's interesting, where are the miniatures to make me invest...and they don't show any. In my opinion, that's why they're taking their time and drip feeding. They don't seek the new audience, they seek the people that already waited for around 7 years
I feel thevsame way about the Magic the Gathering Warhammer 40k set. It was announced ages ago and we haven't really heard anything since apart from one batch of Space Marine art.
Me and my friends wanted to try warhammer table top wargaming after we played TWW3, we are already pen&paper roleplayer an where hyped to dive into wargaming. The disssapointment was huge when we learned that "Age of Sigmar" is the only available game. Im very sceptical about that, because usually when companies reinvent their stuff it ends up sucking.
just buy old editions and models. i never stopped with 8th so i have it easy with my playgroup but because its discontinued you can also find alot of the sources online
Yeah, playing WHFB nowadays takes a bit of work, since you've to research a few things. What army do I find interesting? Are their models still in production? If not, where can I source suitable replacements? You know, stuff like this.
The best thing they could do is release it without army books. Just have everything available in core and have core as a flexible system; able to cater for tiny role-play style games and big siege games. Then release fluffy, full art army books that tell stories and such.
I agree. The drip feeding is getting very old very quickly. Sure they have to make sure everything is as good as possible before release but there's a fine line between that and looking as though you're neglecting it. At the end of the day it all boils down to public perception and the less often we see anything the more likely people are to think that they aren't taking it seriously. They've had years now. They could have been steadily cultivating a new audience alongside the returning veterans, forging a strong community. They could have been slowly releasing lore, allowing everyone to get on the same page well in advance and had a very passionate, knowledgeable fan base of players, both new and old, ready to dive in upon release. Instead they're in danger of missing the hype train altogether.
what I mainly want to know are two things. The scale of model synergy between AoS and tOW (for example what will all the tOW human factions, dwarf and elves mean for AoS Free cities) And if it just FW product (but with GW prices because AoS uses a lot of toW models and factions) or GW product but made by FW team (tOW being done by FW was confirmed but will it be sell by GW or FW?)
I remember the feeling when the Old World was first announced but as time passes and news is drip fed to us it's getting harder and harder to feel excited about it, my enthusiasm remains but I'm starting to feel that they're using the Old World as much as a marketing tool for AoS.
Considering that from day 1 they did said this is gonna be like "AoS version of Horus Heresy" it do kinda make sense marketing AoS as well. They are after all try have some connection to the two setting to each other.
I bought an all human cities of sigmar army and I am waiting desperately for the old world. Oh well. I guess it will be out by the time I am finished painting all these state troops.
Yes you clearly won only having a terrain box shown off instead of army updates or the Chaos Dwarfs they've been hinting for over a year now ;) your nonsensical AOS vs Fantasy bullshit doesn't work here I play both lmao
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges Don't forget AoS also gets Season of War campaing book and that Elemental creature that comes with terrain box.😉 Though I was hoping reveal of those two battletomes we get at summer.😅
There’s a solid argument they should have ploped an extra DLC into TWW2, delay TWW3 to May/June and then IE would have been so close that people wouldn’t mind RoC’s limits that much. Likely still would receive needed tweaks but minus the bugs and with IE around the corner, everyone would be much more chill
@@liofalba i don't know what a delay would help if the design decisions at the core were retarded and devs weren't interested in changed it. Sure, if they delayed it we would have couple fewer technical issues but we still would have a polished shit. Now we have regular shit.
@@Asraeks personally I think TWW3 in general, and RoC specifically, is in many ways better at launch than TWW2 respectively, so definitions of shit may vary. But the key thing is the length to IE, people got pissy about Vortex, but forgot about it because ME came a month later. The wait between launch and IE is what's driving people up a wall.
it hasnt even been drip feeding, that last update that just showed grand cathay was exceptionally weak, they should at least shown several minis for it as well
I really disagree with this analysis. It's REFRESHING to go back to a slow burn marketing campaign that dripfeeds information over time. Over the last 20 years, and especially the 5-6, for lack of a better phrase 'geek culture' has become horrifically entitled to every detail as early as possible. Right now. Look at Marvel marketing. The first trailer more or less gives the plot away, within six months there is another which entirely gives it up, and then the film is released within 9 months of the first trailer drop. It's so fast, and you go in knowing exactly what's going to happen. Gaming is following this pattern. I didn't bother wanting to play Elden Ring because I felt like I already had by the time it came out; tbh, same to with Warhammer 3. Worse than the rifts and the flawed campaign was my feeling of being bored of it before I played it because of the sheer volume of content on my feeds that I wasn't even watching. So quite frankly, so long as the game and models are polished and high quality, I'd happily delay my gratification and wait another 5 years with one or two updates a year. The less I know going in, the more interested I am to find out. I'm not the only one.
2 things spring to mind with me. As annoying as the drip feed tactic is and how it can be problematic for Sisters of Battle and their return it ultimately made them a very popular army. Other point having seen several fans comments over the past few years on things like deadlines, models, rules etc. I cannot help but feel a lot of fans don't have the realistic expectations that you do.
I'll be honest I was REALLY looking forward to Old World at first, but at this point I just could not care less. Idoneth Deepkin finally got an update and I'm painting sharks, meanwhile on the Old Hammer front W3 was a massive let down and Old World seems like vapor ware so... Back to the Mortal Realms I go.
ive said it 3 years ago and ill say it again. the less they tell us the better it is for the new old world edition. also every video about old world is only from the perspective of total war players or aos players. there are tons of people still playing fantasy 8th or the fanmade fantasy 9th. not having an internet presence because we just play the edition we love and wait to give old world a chance once it comes out. because we remember when gw didnt care about the marketing of new editions or "drip feeding hype" was when we got the best rules. there isnt an power balance issue if you find a powerbalance with your playgroup. i have 1 person in my playgroup thats really focussed on the overpowered stuff left behind in 8th but i still take him on with the wackier "weaker" armies and still come on top. so please groups that we the old timey gamers dont really like shush and wait untill they bring it out instead of needing some corporate overlord to hype you up and waste your money on bad product but good hype. ps. we as in my playgroup love the older models over the new aos age models
I have a feeling Old World was an idea pushed by passionate devs but the execs aren't interested in reviving the old world, so the crew making it is probably very small
Andy, the head of specialist games. Runs about 3 game projects at a time and they plan about 2-3 years in advance. They hold their cards tight to their chest. If your familiar with necromunda, blood bowl, titanicus and aeronautica. Basically hes been given freedom to receive all their old games but scale is only determined by immediate success. So he likyl only has minor resource maybe a starter box and a couple new kits and 1-2 rule books approved for the making. Then if it does well, they'll kick in the gears of their planned content or if it flops, likly disband or only release one or two more things before its cancelled.
I don’t follow GW that much, but I recently got into 40K lore (ie Lutin) and base on that it just seems to me GW just drags things as much as they can, and even then just weirdly drops things mid way, and then comes back and picks them up unexpectedly. If they’re making money on old fantasy models, less effort means more money, so who knows, maybe I’ll be able to force my future kids to become Old World players
They're going to miss their own hype train if they aren't careful, people won't wait forever. One page rules and similar are making major inroads and GW keep shooting themselves in the foot with AoS & 40k.
not really Old world is like Horus Heresy, a series sets in past of the main timeline (Old world for example is for Age of Sigmar players)for people to experience
@@tonyfranksland428 except the difference being. 40k is still around and going strong with horus heresy. Fantasy is dead and thus old world would replace/revive it
Here here, I'm a OG player. I really dislike AOS, and don't play 40K. At this point, we're about a year out. And still no specifics on rules, army lists, sculpts, all bar 4 races still unknown. I'm getting worried about this being a dud now, it feels like info is being kept from us because they don't want us to review it. Or they want the hype to die
god… These red flag really tings my conspiracy theories lol… anyway, due to this style of driping also happens in Wh3 pre launch (to lesser extent), maybe there's possible that GW's marketing team has interfere both title's release times. Thus we player suffers with these issues of driping / reuse content
I've heard from a very reliable source that covid messed up the prints for a lot of the new books also GW has done a lot a failing and old world is not coming out for another 2 years was best they could do
My opinion is roughly, "STOP TEASING US AND GIVE US BACK BRETONNIA ALREADY!" I'm also really hoping they let The Old World be its own game and setting instead of viewing it through the lens of AoS. I don't want a bunch of AoS references in my Old World books.
I don't really care about "The Old World", I care more about the world and the setting we had before the End Times shit all over everything and then squeezed out the final turd that would become known as Age of Sigmar...or Age of Smegmar as I like to call it.
I actually disagree with this. The hype is still there but I believe it has always been tempered with the exception of its announcement. I would rather have GW take there time with the release and announcements because I really WANT this to succeed.
@@youngtank4039 Compared to 40k, not so well, but 40k has always been GW's primary product. It's still one of their best product at the moment from what we've seen. And let's be honest, they wouldn't be going through a 3rd Edition of the game if it wasn't doing well enough by their standards. I mean, we at least know what AoS looks like whilst the Old World is just a ghost.
I dont know if we can say it flopped. Has the hype for the game faltered? Big time yes but 2 major things down the line can revatalize the game the first of which is the workshop and the second is the immotal empires releases. If the latter of those 2 is a big fuck up specifically then yeah wh3 will truly flop
WH3 isn't a flop. It's a typical CA butchered release on a Total Warhammer game. This isn't copium. This isn't apologizing on behalf of CA. It's just one more tick on a proven track record of "oops" on CA's record. These games always start as hot garbage and get better as the maps get bigger and DLC is released. 3k's failed because all it's DLC was exactly the same. Pretty much the same war, the same factions, just different starting time periods in the same stories. Only their last DLC was truly unique, and it was too little too late. The units were all too similar up until that point. Warhammer thrives on variety and asymmetry. Wh3 will only be a flop if they don't release a mortal empires map and either don't release any DLC, or only release DLC that doesn't add to the variety of the game unit and faction wise. WH1 was extremely limited. 4 factions, and each one could only take over cities of their "rival." Greenskins only fought Dwarfs. Empire only fought Vamps. Bretonnia was a filler area with nothing in it, wood elves didn't even exist, chaos was a poorly implemented afterthought DLC cash grab. WH2 had a buggy ME map, a barren roster for skaven, and Norsca got delayed over a year when they were supposed to be in the game day 1 because the guys at CA diverged their code too early in production and then lost some of the original. They literally had to re-write Norsca almost from scratch. Also, the ME map mass spawned the chaos invasion by letting doom stacks randomly spawn everywhere with no way to stop it if you weren't all the way in the NE of the map. It was years before they added a toggle to fix it. People tend to forget these things.... but some of us crusty old vets still have PTSD.
My friend you need to take a moment. Your last videos are literally all complaining. I understand things are in a bad place for a series of outlets of warhammer but you need to break out creativity and talk about old lore, tell stories that you like, if I want bad news nancying I'll just tune on the news on TV. Talk to us about interesting things, no need to make a video on how Slaanesh needs chaos warriors with armor in tww and proceed to repeat it in five other videos and keep adding and adding whining. One video of complains and negativity is enough. I'm not saying to pretend things are good. Just every single video you're making is complain.
You are aware those "negative videos" serve as feedback right? Which CA actively ask for lol I say it in my videos that if people have ideas on what can be done then comment on it so then I can pass feedback forward and crediting the commenter as the same time My "negative" videos are done to help the game my dude
News every 3-5 months with mostly the same info doesn't help keep interest up instead it makes people forget about the project. Let's discuss.
i'd prefer news like stated here ruclips.net/video/zqXJC7NDt4w/видео.html
I am sorry you have got to be one of the most impatient RUclipsrs in the Warhammer community 😄
If CA only makes DLC every 5 months oh! That's a DLC drought!
If games workshop only drip-feed information on Warhammer old world for every 3-5 months then that is not good enough either?? 😅
Quality takes time. So let's give them that and let them wait until they really got some to show.
@@Rex1987 you must either not be a Total War player nor a tabletop player if you think quality takes time lmao
Tabletop for all main settings is in a shit place right now
Warhammer 3 had a bad release
Kurgan DLC for Game 3 with 4 Legendary Lords
@@Rex1987 You got GW and CA juices on your cheek there bud
They really should have announced Old World around the time that WH3 was announced
That really would have been the smart play
I concur. Yesterday the two games i was most looking forwad to seeing info about was The Old World and Horus Heresy. I'm glad that HH looks to be the big late summer/ fall game release. Let's hope that next year Old World is the big late summer/fall release
The HH change sounds very promising really! Glad its finally coming to plastic
In time for the 40th anniversary.
I feel like if they had swapped the Cathay map and the Border Princes map, it would have felt a little better. Also, at this point, with the drip feed, I'm starting to think that they have like, 5 people working on the Old World lore and rules maybe once a week in a voice call. Seriously, the last real reveal of information was at the Border Princes map, and it was basically nothing other than "Hey the Border Princes exist, we're going to use it as a lore justification for some old world factions that might not normally fight each other, and here are some flags and names".
I'm really doubting old world is gonna be good. Literally all the things i like about Cathay and Kislev have been either in old world or are taken from popular Fan supllemets (this is a common GW strategy, plagiarizing fan content and getting past Copyright by giving it a slightly different name ), while it ignores my favorite parts of their old lore (and in case of Cathays Ying and Yang philosophy stupidly retcons it into something that is both less interesting and breaks Warhammer lore ). Then all factions are gonna lack their most fun tools (with the exception of High elves because those are essentially stagnant ancient Greek people with magic)
Anytime somebody starts promoting an IP years in advance it's always a huge red flag. Look at things like the American Godzilla movie, Cyberpunk, WoW's last several expansions, the last Guns and Roses album.... all junk. I'm very much a "show me what you got" kinda guy.
Honestly yeah I agree with you
Cyberpunk was enjoyable to the majority of pc players, steam reviews are mostly positive at about 70%
WoW's latest expansions haven't been promoted any sooner than its earlier expansions. And WoW itself was announced years in advanced.
The theory that it was just made to troll mantic when they released kings of war 3rd edition, still sounds plausible with the lack of anything of substance being released so far.
Like hey, we don't even have a render, sisters of battle got a render of the Amalia novena model when they announced the plastic models.
1000% agree. It’s getting to a point where its annoying me
I feel you man I've been waiting constantly, I've been repainting armies I just want proper news :(
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges just be upfront… tell me the game isn’t coming til 2024-25 then i can patiently wait
I've made a lot of posts on the CA forums and reddit about Bretonnia getting new content. I got into fantasy during WH1. I fell in love with Bretonnia during WH1. I may not have waited since 6th, 7th, or even 8th edition. But I am excited to get my hands on updated lore, new units, and new characters. *Imagine the art.*
I completely agree with you Nathan!
I visit Warhammer community website almost every day hoping for new Old World articles but nothing and it is starting to become frustrating this lack of information, especially after 2 years from the announcement. It makes you feel like no progresses has been done in the development even if we know this is not the case. So they definitely need to start pushing with new articles, at least 1 per month and not 1 every 3 months!
Nathan doing God's work. Finally, someone who has some influence is talking about this bullshit lack of news and communication.
It's killing all of Warhammer. I got more news back in the 90s when white dwarf came to my house once a month than I do in the "information age". CA and games work shop are really shitting the bed right now.
Lol ain't that the truth. Then again, back in the 90s White Dwarf was still a magazine worth buying instead of being a glorified catalogue like it is now
Man, I sure can't wait for another fucking map update in 6 months! :D
Another Cathay update when we have all the Cathay lore we need in a 2 hour interview 😂
Remembering the time when people thought Dwarfs weren't getting DLCs because CA was waiting for Warhammer the Old World dwarfs to come out and pad out their roster.
Those are gonna be some very old Dwarfs 😂😂
People actually thought that?
@@LordVader1094 Tbf to them, the last dwarf DLC was 6 years ago.
The first communications about Warhammer the Old World were 2 and 1/2 years ago and it only became clear that they have absolutely nothing recently.
Side note : the last dwarf DLC came out 6 years ago!
@@Anndgrim Well, that's not entirely true: the dwarfes got an FLC (Thorek Ironbrow) last summer. So the dwarfes got new content. ;)
@@GermanOlle 0 new units though.
Just a necessary rework and one rather low effort LL.
I honestly have been very unconnected from Warhammer the Old World so much that I completely missed the Tomb Kings confirmation posted a couple days ago and almost forgot the project altogether.
New Lizardmen and dark elves minis would be amazing. My first two armies so they are dear to my heart
I mean Lizardmen and Dark Elves are actually pretty available to buy on tabletop right now, the majority of Lizardmen and Dark Elf models survived the transition to AOS, all you need is some square bases.
@@InquisitorThomas yeah but some fresh models would be lovely
@@InquisitorThomas they did survive. buuut most lizards are over 12 years old now with some pushing 20
I feel like the distance the game is away is part of the problem here.
like it's completely understandable that the game is so far off but they just shouldn't have announced it so early.
of course people are going to expect news about it once it's announced, if it hadn't been announced yet we wouldn't even have this current problem.
if they announced it perhaps, 6-8 months before release then that's still plenty of time to build hype with much less risk of hype fading due to them being forced to drip feed information, announcing it years in advance just meant that there'd never be enough news to fill in the gap.
and of course they can't now just stop giving news altogether, that'd annoy people and drain hype even more than dripfeeding does.
With every month that passes I am more and more convinced the initial announcement was just GWs efforts at stealing Mantic's thunder on their KoW 3rd edition announcement. The Old World must of been in initial design meetings when they made their announcement, why even do that if you're years away from even being at an advertising ready stage? Books published and piled up, models on pallets ready to ship? This is going to be dead on arrival.
Im mostly interested in the High elves. Do you guys think they will get a range refresh, some new units or will they stay the same?
Im thinking new spearmen, archers and silver helms. Everything else will stay the same
I still really hope Marienburg gets its own faction!
@The Great Book of Grudges Do you think we will see new dwarfs holds and soon news about dawis for Old World ?
I hope so!
I written up some unused army lists, its based on 8th and gives a well rounded cultures including Nippon, Cathay, Ind, and aracnae under empire, Cuthulis, serpemtkin, and Aztec style cultures, please enjoy
I fully agree. It feel`s much more like a bad managed kickstarter from 2 guys working in their spare time then a prestigous project from the market leader.
Well at least there are the old editions and different fanmade versions. (Shoutout for the Warhammer Armies Project which combines different elements from 6th and 8th editions, excellent stuff for casual players with good representation on RUclips).
Sorry I’m not really into Warhammer tabletop but I’ve been a hardcore fan of Total War Warhammer since it came out. What’s the significance of square bases for models on the tabletop?
it makes thr game mor formation based and less squad based, which is better for large scale battles. and is more tactical
Black shirt at local store told me last year Old world is probably 10 years away.
I doubt that was accurate.
I really think that CA needs two marketing programs: what they been doing (for the older fans) and something easier to digest for fans like me who never played the board game but wants to. I just started getting into AOS (swamp orks) and I’m so confused about the info coming out. Any real info comes out with hype and predictions and I have no way of telling the difference.
This is games workshop table top stuff they own the IP, CA only make the total war games.
@@Gorfell I meant Games Workshop but that also furthers my point to how confusing this all is to a new fan.
Considering this is the time of the 3 emperors, I was super hyped when they first announced it because of how important it is to the undead, they're an actually threat to the empire at this time. Now I'm left wondering what will come first an announcement about VC in the old world or an announcement for VC DLC for WTW 3
Actually miles, they have released a Kislev map for old world. That map had it owning parts of the empire it conquered under Mishka and lost in 1800. Meaning this is before the vampire counts even existed in lore. Furthermore literally all cool vampire units (Hexwraiths, Cairn wraith's, Mortis engines, vargheists, varghulfs, abyssal terrors and zombie dragons ) don't exist yet.
Strange that the Old World has Albion have such a huge footprint on the map and yet CA still haven't acknowledged it or incorporated it into the setting yet. If CA do add Albion with new models I will likely buy some models just to get into painting them as I would love to see them incorporated into Warhammer 3. We are talking about the literal garden of Eden of the Warhammer setting that fallen and become corrupted and is still inhabited by the descendants of the earliest and greatest of the first humans who the Old Ones brought to the island when they inhabited the world.
Plus it also has free uncorrupted fimir, it's own monsters and Magic and intelligent giants. Really weird they never got an army or DLC. I assumed it was gonna be a DLC when Albion was on the Warhammer two map.
Here I am buying alternative models from Etsy 3D printers when GW could easily be getting my money with a few promotional minis or something.
Or just at least bring back the old minis.
same thing with warhammer 3, i was really hyped when it was first announced but after 2 delays warhammer 3 just became a footnote that I kinda forget about until January
@5:21 I agree it’s supposed to be previewed like the Sisters of Battle revamp but much, much slower and spread out.
well I just hope Ind comes
Take a look at the Warhammer 3 combined map Ind is there just blank it will come
I'm gonna bet Old World will come in summer 2023
It seems GW likes to launch a new edition every year (2020 was 40k, 2021 was AoS and this year there will be a new Horus Heresy Edition)
Which is fine but even then we know nothing about it. This is a new game not a new edition we need context
I think GW doesn't expect the Old World to do good outside of old Warhammer Fantasy fan returning (you yourself mentions old timers returning)...my own game club is mostly made of newbies from AoS and most of them couldn't care less, because the informations of the articles are never pointed toward us.
-They say the rules are gonna be from 1st to 8th...well, great I haven't played any, what does it mean ?
-That obscure Region from the old lore is making a come back...again, I miss the part where I should care ?
-New factions are being added. Okay, that's interesting, where are the miniatures to make me invest...and they don't show any.
In my opinion, that's why they're taking their time and drip feeding. They don't seek the new audience, they seek the people that already waited for around 7 years
I feel thevsame way about the Magic the Gathering Warhammer 40k set. It was announced ages ago and we haven't really heard anything since apart from one batch of Space Marine art.
What ? Old world is coming? I had already forgotten
Me and my friends wanted to try warhammer table top wargaming after we played TWW3, we are already pen&paper roleplayer an where hyped to dive into wargaming. The disssapointment was huge when we learned that "Age of Sigmar" is the only available game. Im very sceptical about that, because usually when companies reinvent their stuff it ends up sucking.
just buy old editions and models. i never stopped with 8th so i have it easy with my playgroup but because its discontinued you can also find alot of the sources online
Yeah, playing WHFB nowadays takes a bit of work, since you've to research a few things.
What army do I find interesting?
Are their models still in production? If not, where can I source suitable replacements?
You know, stuff like this.
The best thing they could do is release it without army books.
Just have everything available in core and have core as a flexible system; able to cater for tiny role-play style games and big siege games.
Then release fluffy, full art army books that tell stories and such.
So basically bring back Ravening Hordes
@@LordVader1094
Yeah, that should probably be the standard; letting people play your game.
I agree. The drip feeding is getting very old very quickly. Sure they have to make sure everything is as good as possible before release but there's a fine line between that and looking as though you're neglecting it. At the end of the day it all boils down to public perception and the less often we see anything the more likely people are to think that they aren't taking it seriously.
They've had years now. They could have been steadily cultivating a new audience alongside the returning veterans, forging a strong community. They could have been slowly releasing lore, allowing everyone to get on the same page well in advance and had a very passionate, knowledgeable fan base of players, both new and old, ready to dive in upon release. Instead they're in danger of missing the hype train altogether.
I started working on my dwarves a time ago, expanding my army and there's no one talking about them either.
what I mainly want to know are two things. The scale of model synergy between AoS and tOW (for example what will all the tOW human factions, dwarf and elves mean for AoS Free cities) And if it just FW product (but with GW prices because AoS uses a lot of toW models and factions) or GW product but made by FW team (tOW being done by FW was confirmed but will it be sell by GW or FW?)
I remember the feeling when the Old World was first announced but as time passes and news is drip fed to us it's getting harder and harder to feel excited about it, my enthusiasm remains but I'm starting to feel that they're using the Old World as much as a marketing tool for AoS.
Considering that from day 1 they did said this is gonna be like "AoS version of Horus Heresy" it do kinda make sense marketing AoS as well. They are after all try have some connection to the two setting to each other.
I just wanna hear some news about the dwarfs. Unfortunately i got a bad gutfeeling about the whole thing..
GW said TOW is like Horus Heresy to 40K, but it seems it will be much bigger if they creating Cathay and Kislev for example.
I bought an all human cities of sigmar army and I am waiting desperately for the old world. Oh well. I guess it will be out by the time I am finished painting all these state troops.
Probably have Norsca info soon as their bloodbowl team was announced this week
True. I have totally forgot about this game as well...
Reckon it's about time they had official Facebook page for old world, great video thanks gives me something old world related to watch 👍
Age of Sigmar chads... we won.
Yes you clearly won only having a terrain box shown off instead of army updates or the Chaos Dwarfs they've been hinting for over a year now ;) your nonsensical AOS vs Fantasy bullshit doesn't work here I play both lmao
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges Don't forget AoS also gets Season of War campaing book and that Elemental creature that comes with terrain box.😉
Though I was hoping reveal of those two battletomes we get at summer.😅
@@TheGreatBookofGrudges With Morathi, we will never lose.
I mean warhammer fantasy has been so popular the last couple of years new models and armies based on this verse would go fucking bonkers
Warhammer 3 was also drip fed and it turned out shit
There’s a solid argument they should have ploped an extra DLC into TWW2, delay TWW3 to May/June and then IE would have been so close that people wouldn’t mind RoC’s limits that much. Likely still would receive needed tweaks but minus the bugs and with IE around the corner, everyone would be much more chill
@@liofalba i don't know what a delay would help if the design decisions at the core were retarded and devs weren't interested in changed it. Sure, if they delayed it we would have couple fewer technical issues but we still would have a polished shit. Now we have regular shit.
@@Asraeks personally I think TWW3 in general, and RoC specifically, is in many ways better at launch than TWW2 respectively, so definitions of shit may vary. But the key thing is the length to IE, people got pissy about Vortex, but forgot about it because ME came a month later. The wait between launch and IE is what's driving people up a wall.
Yeah companies are full on stupid and disconnected.
Why we can't have a date?
Don't worry, several more years and they will release the first content
Gonna die of old age before that first book drops 😂
Its supposedly years away so its drip feed or nothing.
They said years out in 2019. It's 2022
it hasnt even been drip feeding, that last update that just showed grand cathay was exceptionally weak, they should at least shown several minis for it as well
I really disagree with this analysis. It's REFRESHING to go back to a slow burn marketing campaign that dripfeeds information over time. Over the last 20 years, and especially the 5-6, for lack of a better phrase 'geek culture' has become horrifically entitled to every detail as early as possible. Right now. Look at Marvel marketing. The first trailer more or less gives the plot away, within six months there is another which entirely gives it up, and then the film is released within 9 months of the first trailer drop. It's so fast, and you go in knowing exactly what's going to happen. Gaming is following this pattern. I didn't bother wanting to play Elden Ring because I felt like I already had by the time it came out; tbh, same to with Warhammer 3. Worse than the rifts and the flawed campaign was my feeling of being bored of it before I played it because of the sheer volume of content on my feeds that I wasn't even watching.
So quite frankly, so long as the game and models are polished and high quality, I'd happily delay my gratification and wait another 5 years with one or two updates a year.
The less I know going in, the more interested I am to find out. I'm not the only one.
Still we almost got no infos, i expected we will get at last starter set right now....
2 things spring to mind with me.
As annoying as the drip feed tactic is and how it can be problematic for Sisters of Battle and their return it ultimately made them a very popular army.
Other point having seen several fans comments over the past few years on things like deadlines, models, rules etc. I cannot help but feel a lot of fans don't have the realistic expectations that you do.
I want more info on my beloved Dwarves!
6-7th Ed - best Ed.. Actually, I enjoyed 6th Ed with just Ravening Hordes the most!
I'll be honest I was REALLY looking forward to Old World at first, but at this point I just could not care less. Idoneth Deepkin finally got an update and I'm painting sharks, meanwhile on the Old Hammer front W3 was a massive let down and Old World seems like vapor ware so... Back to the Mortal Realms I go.
my guess is its gonna be a forgeworld thing. or a highly limited release like horus.
Should of been out last year if it was announced 3 years ago.
Warhammer fantasy would be nice with teh CMON asoiaf gameplay and tactic boards mechanismes
Just shows that people weren't really interested in it if they give up if the hype isn't high enough...
ive said it 3 years ago and ill say it again. the less they tell us the better it is for the new old world edition. also every video about old world is only from the perspective of total war players or aos players. there are tons of people still playing fantasy 8th or the fanmade fantasy 9th. not having an internet presence because we just play the edition we love and wait to give old world a chance once it comes out. because we remember when gw didnt care about the marketing of new editions or "drip feeding hype" was when we got the best rules.
there isnt an power balance issue if you find a powerbalance with your playgroup. i have 1 person in my playgroup thats really focussed on the overpowered stuff left behind in 8th but i still take him on with the wackier "weaker" armies and still come on top. so please groups that we the old timey gamers dont really like shush and wait untill they bring it out instead of needing some corporate overlord to hype you up and waste your money on bad product but good hype.
ps. we as in my playgroup love the older models over the new aos age models
I have a feeling Old World was an idea pushed by passionate devs but the execs aren't interested in reviving the old world, so the crew making it is probably very small
Andy, the head of specialist games. Runs about 3 game projects at a time and they plan about 2-3 years in advance. They hold their cards tight to their chest. If your familiar with necromunda, blood bowl, titanicus and aeronautica. Basically hes been given freedom to receive all their old games but scale is only determined by immediate success. So he likyl only has minor resource maybe a starter box and a couple new kits and 1-2 rule books approved for the making. Then if it does well, they'll kick in the gears of their planned content or if it flops, likly disband or only release one or two more things before its cancelled.
Make Estalia playable already ffs
Warhammer The Forgotten World
Reminds me of live service games.
I don’t follow GW that much, but I recently got into 40K lore (ie Lutin) and base on that it just seems to me GW just drags things as much as they can, and even then just weirdly drops things mid way, and then comes back and picks them up unexpectedly. If they’re making money on old fantasy models, less effort means more money, so who knows, maybe I’ll be able to force my future kids to become Old World players
I don't understand the title, my drip is so hype. Fire even.
They're going to miss their own hype train if they aren't careful, people won't wait forever. One page rules and similar are making major inroads and GW keep shooting themselves in the foot with AoS & 40k.
It’s probably not ready at all and will not release before 2024 or 2025.
When was the last time that GW thought something through? :P
Is Warhammer Fantasy supposed to be replaced by The Old World?
Yes
not really Old world is like Horus Heresy, a series sets in past of the main timeline (Old world for example is for Age of Sigmar players)for people to experience
If you really need to use the phrase replace, then Age of Sigmar is one that inherent or so call replacement of the Warhammer Fantasy Battle
@@tonyfranksland428 except the difference being. 40k is still around and going strong with horus heresy. Fantasy is dead and thus old world would replace/revive it
@@andrewdunn6675 If I put it, Total War Warhammer has more credit in reviving the Fantasy Battle lol
I mean welcome to GW marketing... it's fucking nonsense.
Old World, best case, turns up in 2024 and is way, way smaller than people think it will be.
Here here,
I'm a OG player. I really dislike AOS, and don't play 40K.
At this point, we're about a year out. And still no specifics on rules, army lists, sculpts, all bar 4 races still unknown.
I'm getting worried about this being a dud now, it feels like info is being kept from us because they don't want us to review it. Or they want the hype to die
god… These red flag really tings my conspiracy theories lol… anyway, due to this style of driping also happens in Wh3 pre launch (to lesser extent), maybe there's possible that GW's marketing team has interfere both title's release times. Thus we player suffers with these issues of driping / reuse content
>_> really sigh no pleasing some people
There is no hype...
I've heard from a very reliable source that covid messed up the prints for a lot of the new books also GW has done a lot a failing and old world is not coming out for another 2 years was best they could do
Another 2 years from when?
@@bigbake132 now
@@Undeadscoll So 2024 release?
@@bigbake132 yes
yeah pretty dry news for old world
My opinion is roughly, "STOP TEASING US AND GIVE US BACK BRETONNIA ALREADY!" I'm also really hoping they let The Old World be its own game and setting instead of viewing it through the lens of AoS. I don't want a bunch of AoS references in my Old World books.
I don't really care about "The Old World", I care more about the world and the setting we had before the End Times shit all over everything and then squeezed out the final turd that would become known as Age of Sigmar...or Age of Smegmar as I like to call it.
I actually disagree with this. The hype is still there but I believe it has always been tempered with the exception of its announcement.
I would rather have GW take there time with the release and announcements because I really WANT this to succeed.
: D
I play Warmaster and going to 6th Ed WFB, I'm done with corporate nonsense now.
I don’t think it’s killing it. We just haven’t gotten to the Marketting Campaign which builds hype.
First! Also love the content! Keep it up
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I absolutely agree. 3 years out and still nothing? Come on GW, stop shilling AoS and give us some actual info
GW basically saying AOS is not going to go away we promise! Old fans rubbing hands yeah sure we will see about that!
I heard that AOS hasn't been selling that well.
@@youngtank4039 Compared to 40k, not so well, but 40k has always been GW's primary product. It's still one of their best product at the moment from what we've seen.
And let's be honest, they wouldn't be going through a 3rd Edition of the game if it wasn't doing well enough by their standards. I mean, we at least know what AoS looks like whilst the Old World is just a ghost.
@@farseeraradrel4808 That’s just what I heard from big red 40k.
Its such a bummer that WH3 flopped :(
I dont know if we can say it flopped. Has the hype for the game faltered? Big time yes but 2 major things down the line can revatalize the game the first of which is the workshop and the second is the immotal empires releases. If the latter of those 2 is a big fuck up specifically then yeah wh3 will truly flop
WH3 isn't a flop. It's a typical CA butchered release on a Total Warhammer game. This isn't copium. This isn't apologizing on behalf of CA. It's just one more tick on a proven track record of "oops" on CA's record. These games always start as hot garbage and get better as the maps get bigger and DLC is released.
3k's failed because all it's DLC was exactly the same. Pretty much the same war, the same factions, just different starting time periods in the same stories. Only their last DLC was truly unique, and it was too little too late. The units were all too similar up until that point. Warhammer thrives on variety and asymmetry.
Wh3 will only be a flop if they don't release a mortal empires map and either don't release any DLC, or only release DLC that doesn't add to the variety of the game unit and faction wise.
WH1 was extremely limited. 4 factions, and each one could only take over cities of their "rival." Greenskins only fought Dwarfs. Empire only fought Vamps. Bretonnia was a filler area with nothing in it, wood elves didn't even exist, chaos was a poorly implemented afterthought DLC cash grab.
WH2 had a buggy ME map, a barren roster for skaven, and Norsca got delayed over a year when they were supposed to be in the game day 1 because the guys at CA diverged their code too early in production and then lost some of the original. They literally had to re-write Norsca almost from scratch. Also, the ME map mass spawned the chaos invasion by letting doom stacks randomly spawn everywhere with no way to stop it if you weren't all the way in the NE of the map. It was years before they added a toggle to fix it.
People tend to forget these things.... but some of us crusty old vets still have PTSD.
It didn't flop. It sold and reviewed fairly well. The player base didn't start shrinking until they'd already made their money.
My friend you need to take a moment. Your last videos are literally all complaining. I understand things are in a bad place for a series of outlets of warhammer but you need to break out creativity and talk about old lore, tell stories that you like, if I want bad news nancying I'll just tune on the news on TV. Talk to us about interesting things, no need to make a video on how Slaanesh needs chaos warriors with armor in tww and proceed to repeat it in five other videos and keep adding and adding whining.
One video of complains and negativity is enough. I'm not saying to pretend things are good. Just every single video you're making is complain.
You are aware those "negative videos" serve as feedback right? Which CA actively ask for lol
I say it in my videos that if people have ideas on what can be done then comment on it so then I can pass feedback forward and crediting the commenter as the same time
My "negative" videos are done to help the game my dude