@@jadedheartsz What about the 60% of critics on RT that have now given it the thumbs down? Are they "pathetic" too? What about the toxic word of mouth from every country where the movie released early where the box office is cratering as word gets out its total shit? Are all those thousands of audience members, who were excited to turn out for this opening day and STILL hated it, pathetic too? Maybe the movie is just shit? You know whats really pathetic? Box office analysts who have revised the estimated $90-115 million opening weekend down to just $47 million. You know what else is patehtic? The fact this movie isn't going to even hit $300 million total run at this stage, on a $190 million bidget, when its the sequel to a billion dollar grosser and yet fanboys are still doing mental gymnastics to try to defend it. Enjoy watching it drop 80% next weekend too. This movie is cooked. Even fanboys on DC Reddits are calling it shit and boring! This is a Marvels level disaster and its hilarious!
@@stevenfraser81 RT is not be and end all of everything and anyone who uses solely those ratings to determine a movies worth needs to get their head examined, did you know that most movie critics HATED The Thing(1982) back when it came out? What "toxic word of mouth"? LOL I heard nothing of the sort, you're just making shit up cause you can't stand the fact that the original film was a critical and commercial hit. Plenty of people liked it genius grow up LOL Only one doing "mental gymnastics" here is you fool and only thing "Cooked" are your lame-ass cope posts. Marvels was a good movie, let me guess you're one of those alt-right trolls right? Your posts are pathetic.
So... what we have here is basically Joker's "Just One Bad Day" speech from "The Killing Joke" stretched painfully and torturously into a feature-length jukebox musical. The Music Meister from "Batman: The Brave And The Bold" would consider this cruel and unusual.
It also treated the audience like idiots. Like in his rant with the Deniro character, he literally just spells out that society treats people like him badly (in his own mind) rather than any subtlety.
Or maybe you shouldn't trust the Hangover guy with anything, period. Especially since he's one of _those_ who screeches about how "PC and woke culture killing comedy!".
Ironically.. a movie that is ASHAMED of the source material. "It's the Joker.. but like...not really...it' s serious and stuff." Give me acid shooting from a lapel-flower over this any day.
@@mabusestestament Nolan's Batmans are bizarely misunderstood. They had a crime-drama VIBE, but they weren't realistic.. at all. Batman jumped from buildings with his glider cape throwing bat-shaped ninja stars and vanishing when someone turned their head. They were still very much fantasy/superhero movies.
@@rayortiz313 I little bit less realistic compared to Joker, sure. Compared to the Batman source material and other Batman incarnations for the screen it was very realistic/ grounded and seemed ashamed of the source material (esp. when Nolan got in pretty much full control after the first one), imo. I even prefer Batman & Robin.
@@mabusestestament I think you’re understating just how incredibly phony it is for someone to jump over a parking lot ledge and land on a car’s hood to stop it from moving. Or to escape a police station by summoning a diverting swarm of bats from their shoes lol. The Nolan Batman movies are full of phony-as-hell comic-book-logic stuff and nothing remotely near an actual crime drama like “Heat”. I mean, I love these movies, but fanboys gotta stop calling them "realistic”. My fave Batman is “Returns”, in any case.
@@mabusestestament I'm pretty sure the British gov't instituted a mandatory vaccination for all current and previous users of the platform in order to maintain public health standards.
I liked Steph Sterling's off-hand putdown when they called it "Twitter, jokingly called X" on a video. I also saw "Twitter, formerly known as X", which is another good way to put it.
I still faithfully assert that the first movie was just Todd Phillips wanting to do a Taxi Driver/King of Comedy mashup and decided the only way he could get it green-lit was to slather it in grease paint, change one character's name to Wayne, and tell Warner Bros. it was a Joker movie. Because, y'know, Joker's a crazy person, right? Perfect fit, sure.
If i remember correctly, Todd Phillips basically told this same story. He said "real movie" instead of "Taxi Driver King of Comedy mashup", but it is what he said.
Given that Phoenix has openly refused to do a third film because it's too risky for him to lose that much weight again a third time... yeah. I hope we're finally done here.
Why does he need to lose weight? They can just say that the medication he took in the mental hospital made him fat (this is a side effect of many antidepressants in reality).
@@callamasthius There's a big difference between Joker-skinny and "fat". Just give him Joaquin's regular body. The excuse "The Joker has to be rail thin because that's how he's been drawn in the comics for decades" doesn't apply here. Cuz this isn't comics-Joker, it's...sigh..."real movie" Joker.
Nah. I'd much rather he spend his time making more Really that Good episodes. There's enough negativity videos, let BvS be the one he really had to be angry about, and instead put some positive energy back out there.
@@robbybevard8034 Yeah, I think there isn't a lot a RTB essay about Joker could say in terms of cultural phenomenon or socio-political importance that wasn't already said, with far better source material, with the BvS and Snyderverse reviews/essays. Like the films themselves, a RTB Joker essay would be the Hot Topic suburban mall version of RTB Batman v Superman. If anything, BvS and Justice League were the peak of this groups influence on the industry, and this film is pretty much the Hangover (pun intended) from that period. Now if only Disney could stop being concerned about them and maybe vary their formula for Marvel and Star Wars IPs, we just go back to ignoring them (or at least passively keeping an eye on them so they don't pull another Charlottesville).
Todd Philips is a f**king hack in the vain of Michael bay, Zack synder and other directors who have the occasional flash of brilliance which is mistaken for genius film making.
@@jadedheartsz Snyder is so untalented he can only make movies fro Netflix now as no one else wants anything to do with him. He's an online content creator now.
@@stevenfraser81 nah he's plenty talented and making movies for Netflix does not automatically make someone a hack, that's a bullshit elitist position to have. There's plenty of "online" content that's better then shit that made it to theaters, i'd much rather see just about any Netflix original movie over rancid garbage like Green Book.
Santanyana had this definition of a fanatic (quoted by Bats in BTAS, no less): someone who redoubles their efforts while losing their sight of the goal.
Any "ADULT" take on the Joker is never going to work with the fan-base the character has. Some how people seem to think that he has some great message and that he and Harley Quinn are some great love story. They are not. You want a great nonconformist love story look at Gomez and Morticia Adams. The Joker as a character is nothing to admire or respect. Have there been people who played the character amazingly over the year? YES. That doesn't make him the icon or tragic figure that so many want to paint him as to justify their own darker impulses.
Christ and Eset, just look at the Mark Hamill portrayal of him in BTAS! He's a remorseless, unrepentant killer who enjoys using unfair jokes to off his victims.
@@johnathonhaney8291 A great example, and proof that from the beginning he was abusive to Harley. She was created for that show and he couldn't have cared less about her, while she adored him.
@@jeffdavis8590 The legendary episode "Mad Love" hammers that home with the force of a sledgehammer. Harley slipping back into her abusive pattern at the end is just tragic.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Agreed, but for decades people have deluded themselves into believing they are some kind of great love story. Then again they also think he is some kind of wise sage, because occasionally he says something that you can pull meaning out of even if he didn't care about what he was saying.
Kind of impressive that Philips managed to make a movie that unites both the fans and hater of Joker... Except no. He's just a hack who can't skate on Scorsese anymore.
"...an antagonistically bad movie that dislikes the fact that it exists" is a fantastic turn of phrase. The movie sounds awful. But the review it inspired is pretty damn artful, so in a weird way it did a good thing??
I'm just happy that this movie is (probably) going to bomb and we won't be subjected to a renaissance of cringy Joker Harley couples cosplays. The animated Harley Quinn series version remains the superior Harley adaptation.
@LeonBes Her personality is all wrong in that series. She's supposed to be bubbly. Even the DCEU franchise, which absolutely bastardized the Joker(as did the film 'Joker'), got that right. It is a weird little factoid now though that 2 actors from 'The Big Bang Theory' have voiced Harley Quinn.
The first movie was incredibly annoying and Joaquin Phoenix’s acting eclipsed that for a lot of people. I am not surprised trying to make a sequel to that collapsed like a soufflé at a construction site because the director’s lack of visual literacy “forced him” to make a film punishing people for liking his miscommunication in the prior film.
Anyone who goes to theaters this weekend to see Joker: Foliage Douche or whatever the fuck it’s called when Transformers One and The Wild Robot are right there being the best movies to be released this year cannot be trusted. With anything. For any reason.
:/ i saw the first one and felt crazy thinking it was kinda boring and weird for the sake of being weird while everyone else was talking about how amazing this was
It was so weird people were talking about it opening their eyes and being revolutionary, I felt like I was going insane it's a boring slog that despises it's comic book origin.
Nothing like Bob letting another wretched lazy bro cinema "movie" have it with both barrels. Let's all pray that 2024 was the year we were done with two gross boring clowns.
I haven't seen this but if I'm hearing Bob right it sounds like what Todd Phillips should have been actually trying to make was Brazil. Or better yet, people should just go watch Brazil if they haven't seen it or even if they have.
First "Flash should have Michael Keaton", then "Fantastic Four should come from the sixties", then this? It's enough to suspect conspiracy. As Goldfinger said, "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action."
Even the 2/10 might be generous for the worst director in Hollywood today. Todd Phillips has *NOTHING* rolling around in that noggin of his, so it's not a surprise at all to hear him fail now that the already shallow puddle of the first movie's gesturing at topicality dried up. That had nothing to say either, making it all the more hilarious that the only thing he could think of doing was adding a Femcel to the mix, because at least he does know his audience.
I mostly agree with you, except... surely you mean the worst director working within the AAA studio-system in Hollywood? I'm pretty sure we can both mention various directors making movies which are technically "hollywood", just not this expensive.
I think this makes me want to see a Big Picture on both how Bob feels about media that was obviously designed as a middle finger to it's audience (like this film) but also the way that fans and critics can often misread that intent into things that really were created with sincerity.
The idea of a film attacking its audience out of meanness is largely an invention of nerds who take any critique of the things they like too personally. Everyone wanna Make money . The metrics might be off, the execution bad, or the script rewrote to oblivion sure. But this goofy ‘ they made it cause they hate me and want to lose money for some reasons’ is some kindergarten nonsense
@@oshkeet then what do you call Spec Ops: The Line? Or are you arguing that there's a difference between media made to spite fans and media made to suggest that the genre shouldn't exist in the current form it's in?
@@oshkeet It's not exactly wrong. It's certainly not wrong when it comes to studios & studio executives. They're so stupid that they fail to see that giving true fans of these properties what they want will make them a lot more money in the long run.
In "How Not to Write a Novel", they define "Folie adieu" as complete abandonment of the genre and tone, or "Are You F___kinmg Kidding Me?!" In that light, this makes more sense, but doesn't excuse it. Whatever executive thought of the title--when obviously there are NO duets--deserves the pillory in a hailstorm.
Basically Todd Phillips thought the first movie was gonna propel him to superstar director status like scorcesse or Nolan or whoever but then the fog cleared and the only people who cared about this movie going forward were the same dude bros who worship Zack Syders's DCEU BS And then wonders why he isnt being called to direct an Oppenheimer level movie and its like dude your not Chris Nolan and even Chris Nolan had a hard time replicating himself with the same material
Isn't this ending, like, the best way to portray the Joker? Like there have been multiple books written about how the man he was before the bleached skin is a non-person, and just an excuse to justify his crimes. We've been beaten over the head with the idea that "he could be anyone" and that all it took was "one bad day," and at the same time are presented with conflicting evidence from official sources spelling out that he's just an asshole.
Always liked the take Bruce Timm gave this in Arkham City through a Hugo Strange interview of Joker. Strange noted that of ALL the differing accounts of how Joker came to be, one thing was constant: Batman. Strange postulated that detail was how Joker kept from facing the truth. EDIT: That was actually Paul Dini, dammit. As much as I want to give writers credit, you'd think I'd remember that!
@@johnathonhaney8291Timm wasn’t involved with the Arkham games; you’re mixing him up with Paul Dini (who didn’t write Knight or Kill the Justice League BTW)
I will never understand this obsession with giving Joker some kind of carved up smile. Joker does not have some kind of permanent smile, he has been turned into a clown permanently, but he smiles a lot because he’s fucking crazy.
According to the Hollywood Reporter, "Bill Finger, Bob Kane, and Jerry Robinson, who created the Joker, all agreed the villain's permanent horrifying grin was inspired by Veidt's Gwyplaine in The Man Who Laughs". Gwyplaine's grin is carved into his face.
@@jonsturgill6508 Fun fact: Conrad Veidt also served as the visual inspiration for Jafar in Disney's Aladdin (based on his portrayal of the evil vizier in the Technicolor version of Thief Of Baghdad).
Thanks for the warning Bob. This feels like the sort of thing that should be required to go on the front of a movie poster like the cancer warning on cigarettes.
Making a musical with a seething contempt for genre fans and wasting someone who can actually sing really well is STILL biting scorsese's style, though it sounds like this doesn't take much else from New York New York
@@mabusestestamentThe movie US touched the same themes that The Jocker movie did. The only difference is that US came out first, and it tackled those themes a million times better than The Joker movie.
The guy who made Hangover 2 and 3 made a bad sequel? Sad though: I loved Joker, and I love musicals. We're overdue for a good, dark musical. REPO wasn't very good, but it was full of earworms...
Seeing the trailers completely show that Harley was without any of her established backstory of being someone at war with herself and having three distinct phases of her character (much like two-face) broke when pushed until she had to come to terms with that inner turmoil and made the character that's beloved in Birds of Prey...
It's actually worse than that. They stripped ALL that and apparently replaced it with nothing interesting. The version of Harley that pops up in the Batman Telltale series at least took the logical tack of making her a stone cold manipulator who uses her psychology skills like a scalpel to keep her gang in line.
Have there been any other sequels where the filmmakers tried to call out the audience for enjoying the first movie for the "wrong reason"? Off the top of my head, I'd say "The Purge: Anarchy"...
@@stewmott3763 And THAT one was fun. Dante crafted a practical joke of a film and brought the audience in on it. It was a move worthy of his old mentor Roger Corman and I still think fondly of New Batch because of that.
The second Tropa de Elite (Elite Squad) comes to mind. Some accused the first film of glamourizing police violence or even accued it of spreading fascist ideas. The sequel takes a much more nuanced approach. I believe some fans of the first film found the sequel a little too progressive to their liking.
@@johnathonhaney8291 The premise of Matrix Resurrections is literally that the company is making them make Matrix Resurrections and that's a stupid idea.
FWIW before seeing the first movie, i thought the ending might be along the lines of your description--where Phoenix's character was a red herring or source of inspiration for the Joker that we've known. Not sure such an ending would have salvaged the movie, but would have been a grin.
Wow, a sequel more angry and antagonistic about its own existence than Matrix Resurrections? Astounding, didn't expect that to be possible, especially from a major studio (again).
Spoilers! If you actually care to see this stop reading here. I warned you, I'm warning you again spoilers! So if you read past this you just wanna know the plot. I didn't actually watch this but I looked up a plot spoiler for people who had seen it. The movie is basically surfer dracula for a different joker. I'm not joking. It's a surfer dracula movie.
@@LuciMorgonstjaernaIt's a recent term coined for overly long origin stories in modern narratives. Long story short, use to be that someone making a Surf Dracula movie would get you straight into the surfing Dracula content and continue it week after week. With modern stories, especially in streaming, they drag it out over the entire first season with unnecessary padding, until the last five minutes of the season finale, where he finally gets his surf board
@@robertlisk1135 I don't even understand where that trend came from. Who asked for it? Because I don't recall it happening all that often before 2010. Most of the time, I can trace Hollywood trends back to box office numbers, or otherwise money, but I don't see how being withholding is making Hollywood extra money.
It's kinda similar to Matrix Resurrections in it's contempt for it's own existence as well as a portion of it's audience. But just knowing that that neck-beard who was bitching about how "Parasite" got the oscar for best picture over the first Joker, is going to see Joker 2 and not understand it's giving him the finger gives me life 🤣
Didn't even know there was a sequel to until I saw the thumbnail for this video review, and despite having myself never bothered to watch Joker, I had no doubt that this sequel would be awful. Thank you Bob for being the only worthwhile movie critic.
Ok i want to put in a third person in the group for people who didnt know joker 2 sucked. i was legit completely unaware that Joker 2 was even coming out yet. I thought it was like next year.
Haven't seen the movie, probably going to grab it on Max, but I swear if Harley turns out to be a figment of Joker's imagination like the girl from the last one... we riot.
So is this fun to watch as in a watching a car crash in slow motion kind of way? I saw an interview touting how cool and genius was of lady gaga to walk into the set one day and tear the script to try something new. And that sounds like an absolute nightmare for the people working on this production
@@igosduikana3537 Possible but the likelihood is still in doubt. To go from A Star Is Born to THIS, however, would be a reason why she threw such a tantrum.
The only reason Joker 2 exists is because David Zaslav wanted a money-maker. This nitwit lost the NBA and kept AEW for 3-4 more years. Zaslav couldn't draw a dime if you gave him a box of crayons and construction paper.
lol. You poor little mark, AEW's flagship show, “Dynamite,” debuted on TNT in October 2019. The show currently ranks as Wednesday's number one cable entertainment series among adults 18-49. “Collision” is currently in the top five in its Saturday timeslot among both adults 18-49 and men 18-49....so yeah that's why they kept AEW.
@@obredaanps3 Dude, speaking as someone who's also an AEW fan and doesn't care at all about basketball, if you think AEW has more viewership and draws more advertising revenue than the NBA, you are sorely mistaken. Not criticizing the AEW deal, I'm glad it's coming to Max, but business is business, and Zaslav is still a twit for losing the NBA.
Funny, I thought they just called it Joker again, like, Suicide Squad/Suicide Squad, I suppose there's a The somewhere there, but the subtitle is actually in the title. Just didn't notice it before.
@@willowpackerthestoryteller135 I mean, it can't be as bad as Hangover 2? There's a certain logic, that if it's very different movie, it should be possibly likeable. Especially if you like musicals.
Probably not. People are saying the muscial scenes are poorly staged, lacking inventive camera work or energy and that Pheonix sings like a dog barking into a bucket.
Now THIS is a movie franchise I'm happy to listen to you sh*t on! (I mean... not LITERALLY, but... You know what I mean.) Todd Phillips really seems to be the most spiteful filmmaker working today.
Once upon a time, back in the long-ago days of 2008, there was a Livejournal community (back when Livejournal was a thing) called Fuck You Batman. And it existed to lampoon some of the worst examples of Batman fanfiction in the wake of The Dark Knight. And while the community was actually fairly mean-spirited and its members un self aware of their own foibles as those things tended to go, I can't help but think that they would have had an absolute field day with both of these Joker movies.
Lady Gaga's often the best part of the bad films she winds up in (exception: A Star Is Born, which was a decent film). She just needs a better film to be in.
Wasnt interested in seeing the first one, but I was actually intrigued when i heard this would be a musical Pretty bummed that it hates that it exists.
Been a while since we saw Bob bring out the flamethrower. Hope you got that out of your system buddy! 😂I also felt like an outlier for not liking the original Joker, glad to hear the sequel is carrying on the tradition.
I agree with basically everything, but gave it 8/10. They basically got Warner to shell out $200 million for a weird arthouse movie whose main theme is that people shouldn't like it. That's impressive. I have seen anything like it since The Matrix Resurrections.
Free video idea: Make a video about the right wing CHUDs who're gonna love this movie (you know the type, critical drinker, nerdrotic, the pronouns guy, the renfaire reject) just because of the AeStHeTiC and because they're too bad at watching movies. Build on that awesome point you made about them not trashing Cocaine Bear because they didn't get what it was saying because they're too bad at watching movies. I'd love to see something like that. Not gonna insist on it though because I'm aware that to research that you'd have to watch a lot of bullshit on youtube.
@@christianjohansson7185 What you're saying is correct but it's not new. As I mentioned, those CHUDs feature every now and then in Big Picture episodes and every time comments underneath say stuff like "I can't believe people like this exist." But they do... Mother of dog, they do...
It's currently tracking at a $140 million worldwide opening with $50 million being the domestic portion and the remainder, its expected international box office take. Front loaded and going down fast soon afterwards. RT score is 47% fresh out of 91 reviews filed so far.
@@denniskristos3800 So...another catastrophic failure from WBD that will be part of the pile of mistakes that shall eventually override their few successes? Yeah, sounds right!
@@johnathonhaney8291 The failure of "Joker: Folie À Deux" will only flow more red ink that's drowning their balance sheets. David Zaslav is mismanaging his leadership of WBD. He has so far, fumbled their cable station assets and lost the NBA broadcast rights. He's fired a passel of execs and laid off massive numbers of workaday staff in his wide range restructuring of of WB's Studios operations and has cancelled numerous projects. His egregious budget cuts to existing flagship movies and TV/streaming series are boomaranging back at him... Looking at you, S2 "House Of The Dragon" whose budget was slashed (at the 11th hr before filming was to begin) by $40 - 50 million resulting in reducing the episode count by 2 and in the longer term, innumerable problems that will follow in the final two seasons if they're limited to 8 episodes each going forward. "The Last Of Us" also had its second season budget reduced by 2 episodes worth of cuts and Max (who will never reach Netflix' level of streaming market share), is about to announce further expansion into international markets.The budget cuts that I've mentioned, didn't make a dent in lightening their heavy debt load (at last report, estimated by Forbes and other analysts to be somewhere between $34 and 39 billion as it accumulated over the last 5 years or so). Long story short, it's a mess there and the situation isn't getting any better in the foreseeable future.
@@denniskristos3800 That $140 million number aint happening. Overseas total is looling more like $75 million and the US opening has dropped to $47 million with analysts saying probably lower than that. Its not even going to hit $300 million in tis total run at this stage and it cost $190 million instaed of the $60 mill the first one was made for. An $800 million drop off between the first two.
I hope that you'll eventually talk about Megalopolis, because I'd like to hear your take on what the f**k happened there. I, personally, have 2 observations on Megalopolis, and I'm curious if you might be in agreement. 1. This seems like what would happen if Richard Kelly adapted one of Ayn Rand's books. 2. The movie is like this because everyone working on it knew that this is likely Coppola's last film, and they decided to humor him.
Funnily enough, my wife made me watch the first one, agreed with Bob about it after I saw it. And she's the one who wants to see this... not goin to the theater for it this time though
😮 ooooh boy this should be fun......😅 Honestly speaking I thought the first joker was fine not crap but rather as Bob would say treading lukewarm good enough imo this movie though felt like a two hour epilogue that noone asked for and feels like something you could take all the music out and be the same movie
The movie was mediocre but i got alot of joy out of the anger that the edgelords who loves the first movie are having, and think its funny that they have the audacity to try and bait normies into watching a "potential" 3rd movie with the scene at the end.
GDI. Somehow I'd hadn't heard anything about J2, and hoped it would actually be a positive response to the original. Joaquin should do better. Seeing just your opening quip about it has disheartened me significantly. I don't think I'll bother spending money to go see this now.
Um, no…? I thought The Marvels was a bloated, unappealing mess. It was a bad movie, in my opinion. Doesn’t make Joker: Folie Á Deux any better, but still, I’m not gonna give a movie I didn’t like an “apology” just because something else ended up being worse. That’s not how criticism works.
Shocker, the sequel to a movie that sucks, also sucks. I also don't think that Tod is that self aware. I think he thinks he's a genius and thinks joker 2;the jonkler is also genius
I want Joker to do crimes so he can piss of Batman enough to coax him out to play!! Henchmen so violent so as to tempt him to kill! Long elaborate trap hallways where the last obstacle is just a normal banana peel ominously but benignly laying out in the open! Attacks on other villains if they come too close to revealing Batman's identity, or if you want to be real spicy, threaten Bruce Wayne!! Goodness gracious! Play him like he is Sherif Ali to his Lawrence god damnit!!
"It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Oh, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway.
*HAHAHAHA!* "
this review is the only thing pathetic here.
Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker! My man!
@@jadedheartsz What about the 60% of critics on RT that have now given it the thumbs down? Are they "pathetic" too? What about the toxic word of mouth from every country where the movie released early where the box office is cratering as word gets out its total shit? Are all those thousands of audience members, who were excited to turn out for this opening day and STILL hated it, pathetic too? Maybe the movie is just shit?
You know whats really pathetic? Box office analysts who have revised the estimated $90-115 million opening weekend down to just $47 million. You know what else is patehtic? The fact this movie isn't going to even hit $300 million total run at this stage, on a $190 million bidget, when its the sequel to a billion dollar grosser and yet fanboys are still doing mental gymnastics to try to defend it. Enjoy watching it drop 80% next weekend too. This movie is cooked. Even fanboys on DC Reddits are calling it shit and boring! This is a Marvels level disaster and its hilarious!
@@stevenfraser81 RT is not be and end all of everything and anyone who uses solely those ratings to determine a movies worth needs to get their head examined, did you know that most movie critics HATED The Thing(1982) back when it came out?
What "toxic word of mouth"? LOL I heard nothing of the sort, you're just making shit up cause you can't stand the fact that the original film was a critical and commercial hit.
Plenty of people liked it genius grow up LOL
Only one doing "mental gymnastics" here is you fool and only thing "Cooked" are your lame-ass cope posts.
Marvels was a good movie, let me guess you're one of those alt-right trolls right?
Your posts are pathetic.
@@stevenfraser81 "Critics are paid by disney or some conspiracy theory that involves racism against minorities"
So... what we have here is basically Joker's "Just One Bad Day" speech from "The Killing Joke" stretched painfully and torturously into a feature-length jukebox musical.
The Music Meister from "Batman: The Brave And The Bold" would consider this cruel and unusual.
My big complaint about the previous movie was it felt like "misery porn".
Actually walked out of it.
It also treated the audience like idiots.
Like in his rant with the Deniro character, he literally just spells out that society treats people like him badly (in his own mind) rather than any subtlety.
@@geeman.8081 Which is a total mistake if you ACTUALLY want to sympathize with such a character.
Beware then:
Moar misery to come in the sequel!
"Joker 2: Misery loves company"
It's almost like you shouldn't trust the Hangover guy with sequels.
Or maybe you shouldn't trust the Hangover guy with anything, period. Especially since he's one of _those_ who screeches about how "PC and woke culture killing comedy!".
@@KevinTheTimeGeek86 war dogs was pretty good
@@daninogil I'll take your word for it.
@@daninogil Eh, it was pretty toothless
@@jordanloux3883 ok.... toothless because?
Ironically.. a movie that is ASHAMED of the source material. "It's the Joker.. but like...not really...it' s serious and stuff." Give me acid shooting from a lapel-flower over this any day.
Yeah, the version I swear by is the Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams take on Joker. In O'Neil's own words, he's a killer who enjoys it.
Agreed, but to me that’s also what Nolan’s Batman it.
@@mabusestestament Nolan's Batmans are bizarely misunderstood. They had a crime-drama VIBE, but they weren't realistic.. at all. Batman jumped from buildings with his glider cape throwing bat-shaped ninja stars and vanishing when someone turned their head. They were still very much fantasy/superhero movies.
@@rayortiz313
I little bit less realistic compared to Joker, sure. Compared to the Batman source material and other Batman incarnations for the screen it was very realistic/ grounded and seemed ashamed of the source material (esp. when Nolan got in pretty much full control after the first one), imo. I even prefer Batman & Robin.
@@mabusestestament I think you’re understating just how incredibly phony it is for someone to jump over a parking lot ledge and land on a car’s hood to stop it from moving. Or to escape a police station by summoning a diverting swarm of bats from their shoes lol. The Nolan Batman movies are full of phony-as-hell comic-book-logic stuff and nothing remotely near an actual crime drama like “Heat”. I mean, I love these movies, but fanboys gotta stop calling them "realistic”.
My fave Batman is “Returns”, in any case.
I’ll stop deadnaming his website when Elon stops deadnaming his kids.
I tend to call it "X Misses The Point" myself.
I like to drop a _"The Platform Formerly Known as Twitter."_
Or just not be on it and not refer to that open sewer anyway🍻
@@mabusestestament I'm pretty sure the British gov't instituted a mandatory vaccination for all current and previous users of the platform in order to maintain public health standards.
I liked Steph Sterling's off-hand putdown when they called it "Twitter, jokingly called X" on a video.
I also saw "Twitter, formerly known as X", which is another good way to put it.
I still faithfully assert that the first movie was just Todd Phillips wanting to do a Taxi Driver/King of Comedy mashup and decided the only way he could get it green-lit was to slather it in grease paint, change one character's name to Wayne, and tell Warner Bros. it was a Joker movie. Because, y'know, Joker's a crazy person, right? Perfect fit, sure.
I thought it worked well
@@jadedheartszwell you're wrong. It didn't. It was a bad joke
@@jonnyimmortal6741 As a mash-up of the two movies, maybe. As a movie that told a story, not really.
@@jonnyimmortal6741 your post is a bad joke and you're wrong.
If i remember correctly, Todd Phillips basically told this same story. He said "real movie" instead of "Taxi Driver King of Comedy mashup", but it is what he said.
Given that Phoenix has openly refused to do a third film because it's too risky for him to lose that much weight again a third time... yeah.
I hope we're finally done here.
Why does he need to lose weight? They can just say that the medication he took in the mental hospital made him fat (this is a side effect of many antidepressants in reality).
@@callamasthius There's a big difference between Joker-skinny and "fat". Just give him Joaquin's regular body. The excuse "The Joker has to be rail thin because that's how he's been drawn in the comics for decades" doesn't apply here. Cuz this isn't comics-Joker, it's...sigh..."real movie" Joker.
I was thinking about giving this a go, solely because of Lady Gaga's participation. But then I remembered I could just rewatch A Star Is Born instead.
I just saw a recent interview of Elon Musk and he said "tweeted" so, not even him is calling it X.
If you ever want to do Really That Bad again, we have a prime duology to tear into.
Nah. These aren’t even interestingly bad.
He already has a 50 minute video compiling "big picture episodes regarding joker"
Nah. I'd much rather he spend his time making more Really that Good episodes.
There's enough negativity videos, let BvS be the one he really had to be angry about, and instead put some positive energy back out there.
@@robbybevard8034 Yeah, I think there isn't a lot a RTB essay about Joker could say in terms of cultural phenomenon or socio-political importance that wasn't already said, with far better source material, with the BvS and Snyderverse reviews/essays. Like the films themselves, a RTB Joker essay would be the Hot Topic suburban mall version of RTB Batman v Superman.
If anything, BvS and Justice League were the peak of this groups influence on the industry, and this film is pretty much the Hangover (pun intended) from that period. Now if only Disney could stop being concerned about them and maybe vary their formula for Marvel and Star Wars IPs, we just go back to ignoring them (or at least passively keeping an eye on them so they don't pull another Charlottesville).
not really no
Todd Philips is a f**king hack in the vain of Michael bay, Zack synder and other directors who have the occasional flash of brilliance which is mistaken for genius film making.
nah he's plenty talented as are Bay and Snyder you crazy
@@jadedheartsz Snyder is so untalented he can only make movies fro Netflix now as no one else wants anything to do with him. He's an online content creator now.
@@stevenfraser81 nah he's plenty talented and making movies for Netflix does not automatically make someone a hack, that's a bullshit elitist position to have. There's plenty of "online" content that's better then shit that made it to theaters, i'd much rather see just about any Netflix original movie over rancid garbage like Green Book.
I don't considre Bay and Snyder hacks. But i agree with Todd Phillips.
@@davidv4018 Phillips has plenty of talent IMO
The Joker franchise is basically the Churchillian definition of a fanatic in movie form - "Can't change its mind and won't change the subject."
Santanyana had this definition of a fanatic (quoted by Bats in BTAS, no less): someone who redoubles their efforts while losing their sight of the goal.
I haven't heard that quote before, it's pretty apt.
Any "ADULT" take on the Joker is never going to work with the fan-base the character has. Some how people seem to think that he has some great message and that he and Harley Quinn are some great love story. They are not. You want a great nonconformist love story look at Gomez and Morticia Adams. The Joker as a character is nothing to admire or respect. Have there been people who played the character amazingly over the year? YES. That doesn't make him the icon or tragic figure that so many want to paint him as to justify their own darker impulses.
Christ and Eset, just look at the Mark Hamill portrayal of him in BTAS! He's a remorseless, unrepentant killer who enjoys using unfair jokes to off his victims.
@@johnathonhaney8291 A great example, and proof that from the beginning he was abusive to Harley. She was created for that show and he couldn't have cared less about her, while she adored him.
@@jeffdavis8590 The legendary episode "Mad Love" hammers that home with the force of a sledgehammer. Harley slipping back into her abusive pattern at the end is just tragic.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Agreed, but for decades people have deluded themselves into believing they are some kind of great love story. Then again they also think he is some kind of wise sage, because occasionally he says something that you can pull meaning out of even if he didn't care about what he was saying.
@@jeffdavis8590 All true...but as we both know better, we need to say the quiet part out loud as often as it takes.
Joker embracing the cringe and died. The End
Kind of impressive that Philips managed to make a movie that unites both the fans and hater of Joker...
Except no. He's just a hack who can't skate on Scorsese anymore.
Joker: End of Evangelion
The official movie of r/Im14andthisisdeep ?
Lady Gaga, you deserve better
Especially after A Star Is Born. She's a decent actress who keeps getting stuck in bad films. I hate that for her.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Seconded. She's terrific in ASIB.
I went out of the first one thinking " so it's basically Taxi driver, but with the Joker". Overrated for sure.
Like taxi driver but without the script of Paul Schrader.
@@davidv4018 Kind of like how Run All Night was a badly executed ripoff of Road To Perdition.
"...an antagonistically bad movie that dislikes the fact that it exists" is a fantastic turn of phrase. The movie sounds awful. But the review it inspired is pretty damn artful, so in a weird way it did a good thing??
I'm just happy that this movie is (probably) going to bomb and we won't be subjected to a renaissance of cringy Joker Harley couples cosplays. The animated Harley Quinn series version remains the superior Harley adaptation.
@LeonBes
Her personality is all wrong in that series. She's supposed to be bubbly. Even the DCEU franchise, which absolutely bastardized the Joker(as did the film 'Joker'), got that right. It is a weird little factoid now though that 2 actors from 'The Big Bang Theory' have voiced Harley Quinn.
1:00 I like that ending. Where joker become a idea. A mask, similar to batman
The first movie was incredibly annoying and Joaquin Phoenix’s acting eclipsed that for a lot of people.
I am not surprised trying to make a sequel to that collapsed like a soufflé at a construction site because the director’s lack of visual literacy “forced him” to make a film punishing people for liking his miscommunication in the prior film.
Anyone who goes to theaters this weekend to see Joker: Foliage Douche or whatever the fuck it’s called when Transformers One and The Wild Robot are right there being the best movies to be released this year cannot be trusted. With anything. For any reason.
On behalf of the cast of The Substance I am outraged at the omission. Truly this is a snub on par with Saving Private Ryan.
Grass, touch it.
@@enginerunsableGottem
Eh I don't want to see either.
6:30 Shots. Fired!
That has to be both the nicest and most scathing takedown of a director's delusions I've ever seen you do, Mr Chipman...bravo!
:/ i saw the first one and felt crazy thinking it was kinda boring and weird for the sake of being weird while everyone else was talking about how amazing this was
It was so weird people were talking about it opening their eyes and being revolutionary, I felt like I was going insane it's a boring slog that despises it's comic book origin.
Nothing like Bob letting another wretched lazy bro cinema "movie" have it with both barrels. Let's all pray that 2024 was the year we were done with two gross boring clowns.
Welp.
I haven't seen this but if I'm hearing Bob right it sounds like what Todd Phillips should have been actually trying to make was Brazil. Or better yet, people should just go watch Brazil if they haven't seen it or even if they have.
First "Flash should have Michael Keaton", then "Fantastic Four should come from the sixties", then this? It's enough to suspect conspiracy. As Goldfinger said, "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action."
So it went from shallow subtext to… no subtext?
Is that an upgrade or a downgrade?
Total annihilation.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Good Point - downgrade it is.
@@mesektet5776 Downgrade suggests there was quality in the original. This is more like watching a cardboard box dissolve in an acid bath.
It's a film that exists.
This movie still lost because Terrifier 3 is coming and that is a more highly anticipated sequel to be successful.
Even the 2/10 might be generous for the worst director in Hollywood today.
Todd Phillips has *NOTHING* rolling around in that noggin of his, so it's not a surprise at all to hear him fail now that the already shallow puddle of the first movie's gesturing at topicality dried up. That had nothing to say either, making it all the more hilarious that the only thing he could think of doing was adding a Femcel to the mix, because at least he does know his audience.
I mostly agree with you, except... surely you mean the worst director working within the AAA studio-system in Hollywood? I'm pretty sure we can both mention various directors making movies which are technically "hollywood", just not this expensive.
I think this makes me want to see a Big Picture on both how Bob feels about media that was obviously designed as a middle finger to it's audience (like this film) but also the way that fans and critics can often misread that intent into things that really were created with sincerity.
He's made that video plenty of times and it's never his best material.
The idea of a film attacking its audience out of meanness is largely an invention of nerds who take any critique of the things they like too personally. Everyone wanna Make money . The metrics might be off, the execution bad, or the script rewrote to oblivion sure. But this goofy ‘ they made it cause they hate me and want to lose money for some reasons’ is some kindergarten nonsense
@@oshkeet then what do you call Spec Ops: The Line?
Or are you arguing that there's a difference between media made to spite fans and media made to suggest that the genre shouldn't exist in the current form it's in?
@@oshkeet It's not exactly wrong. It's certainly not wrong when it comes to studios & studio executives. They're so stupid that they fail to see that giving true fans of these properties what they want will make them a lot more money in the long run.
In "How Not to Write a Novel", they define "Folie adieu" as complete abandonment of the genre and tone, or "Are You F___kinmg Kidding Me?!"
In that light, this makes more sense, but doesn't excuse it. Whatever executive thought of the title--when obviously there are NO duets--deserves the pillory in a hailstorm.
Basically Todd Phillips thought the first movie was gonna propel him to superstar director status like scorcesse or Nolan or whoever but then the fog cleared and the only people who cared about this movie going forward were the same dude bros who worship Zack Syders's DCEU BS
And then wonders why he isnt being called to direct an Oppenheimer level movie and its like dude your not Chris Nolan and even Chris Nolan had a hard time replicating himself with the same material
Isn't this ending, like, the best way to portray the Joker? Like there have been multiple books written about how the man he was before the bleached skin is a non-person, and just an excuse to justify his crimes. We've been beaten over the head with the idea that "he could be anyone" and that all it took was "one bad day," and at the same time are presented with conflicting evidence from official sources spelling out that he's just an asshole.
Always liked the take Bruce Timm gave this in Arkham City through a Hugo Strange interview of Joker. Strange noted that of ALL the differing accounts of how Joker came to be, one thing was constant: Batman. Strange postulated that detail was how Joker kept from facing the truth.
EDIT: That was actually Paul Dini, dammit. As much as I want to give writers credit, you'd think I'd remember that!
@@johnathonhaney8291Timm wasn’t involved with the Arkham games; you’re mixing him up with Paul Dini (who didn’t write Knight or Kill the Justice League BTW)
@@repulser93 Ah, so I am. I'll edit that now...thank you for the correction!
I will never understand this obsession with giving Joker some kind of carved up smile. Joker does not have some kind of permanent smile, he has been turned into a clown permanently, but he smiles a lot because he’s fucking crazy.
According to the Hollywood Reporter, "Bill Finger, Bob Kane, and Jerry Robinson, who created the Joker, all agreed the villain's permanent horrifying grin was inspired by Veidt's Gwyplaine in The Man Who Laughs". Gwyplaine's grin is carved into his face.
@@jonsturgill6508 Fun fact: Conrad Veidt also served as the visual inspiration for Jafar in Disney's Aladdin (based on his portrayal of the evil vizier in the Technicolor version of Thief Of Baghdad).
Thanks for the warning Bob. This feels like the sort of thing that should be required to go on the front of a movie poster like the cancer warning on cigarettes.
HARD. PASS.
Making a musical with a seething contempt for genre fans and wasting someone who can actually sing really well is STILL biting scorsese's style, though it sounds like this doesn't take much else from New York New York
The first movie was never good... so... is this a shock?
Oh no, not the part about the sequel being bad. HOW bad seems to be what has Mr Chipman's attention as well as the reasons why.
I said it once, when the first Joker film came out, and I'll say it again now: Jordan Peele's US did it first, and he did it so much better!
Did what first?
@@mabusestestamentThe movie US touched the same themes that The Jocker movie did. The only difference is that US came out first, and it tackled those themes a million times better than The Joker movie.
@@DogInJar10
I’m not sure I see the comparison between the two. For me personally, Joker didn’t do it for me but neither did US.
@@mabusestestament Well, I guess we agree to disagree.
@@DogInJar10
That’s okay, but that’s not too important. I’m more curious about the comparison between US and Joker.
The guy who made Hangover 2 and 3 made a bad sequel?
Sad though: I loved Joker, and I love musicals. We're overdue for a good, dark musical. REPO wasn't very good, but it was full of earworms...
I don't think it sucks; it's just a lot longer than it needs to be by about two hours.
Seeing the trailers completely show that Harley was without any of her established backstory of being someone at war with herself and having three distinct phases of her character (much like two-face) broke when pushed until she had to come to terms with that inner turmoil and made the character that's beloved in Birds of Prey...
It's actually worse than that. They stripped ALL that and apparently replaced it with nothing interesting. The version of Harley that pops up in the Batman Telltale series at least took the logical tack of making her a stone cold manipulator who uses her psychology skills like a scalpel to keep her gang in line.
Have there been any other sequels where the filmmakers tried to call out the audience for enjoying the first movie for the "wrong reason"?
Off the top of my head, I'd say "The Purge: Anarchy"...
Matrix Resurrections had a similar bent, I'm told.
Gremlins 2: The New Batch? Although that was more a dig at the studio than the audience.
@@stewmott3763 And THAT one was fun. Dante crafted a practical joke of a film and brought the audience in on it. It was a move worthy of his old mentor Roger Corman and I still think fondly of New Batch because of that.
The second Tropa de Elite (Elite Squad) comes to mind. Some accused the first film of glamourizing police violence or even accued it of spreading fascist ideas. The sequel takes a much more nuanced approach. I believe some fans of the first film found the sequel a little too progressive to their liking.
@@johnathonhaney8291 The premise of Matrix Resurrections is literally that the company is making them make Matrix Resurrections and that's a stupid idea.
FWIW before seeing the first movie, i thought the ending might be along the lines of your description--where Phoenix's character was a red herring or source of inspiration for the Joker that we've known. Not sure such an ending would have salvaged the movie, but would have been a grin.
Wow, a sequel more angry and antagonistic about its own existence than Matrix Resurrections? Astounding, didn't expect that to be possible, especially from a major studio (again).
Both came from WBD, a collapsing studio whose losses are tanking any gains from their wins. I am therefore less surprised.
Matrix Resurrections at least had a positive spin on such a concept near the end.
I’d rather we’d gotten a follow up to that than Joker.
Spoilers! If you actually care to see this stop reading here. I warned you, I'm warning you again spoilers! So if you read past this you just wanna know the plot. I didn't actually watch this but I looked up a plot spoiler for people who had seen it. The movie is basically surfer dracula for a different joker. I'm not joking. It's a surfer dracula movie.
Is surfer Dracula a reference to something? I'm not familiar.
@@LuciMorgonstjaernaIt's a recent term coined for overly long origin stories in modern narratives.
Long story short, use to be that someone making a Surf Dracula movie would get you straight into the surfing Dracula content and continue it week after week. With modern stories, especially in streaming, they drag it out over the entire first season with unnecessary padding, until the last five minutes of the season finale, where he finally gets his surf board
@@robertlisk1135 I don't even understand where that trend came from. Who asked for it? Because I don't recall it happening all that often before 2010. Most of the time, I can trace Hollywood trends back to box office numbers, or otherwise money, but I don't see how being withholding is making Hollywood extra money.
No, see, the _car_ was a vampire.
@@jasonblalock4429 Maybe because Smallville was popular. [shrug]
I was so very much dreading seeing this with my partner, because they're a huge fan of Lady Gaga.
Happily, they asked me for a divorce last year.
Twist not expected. Sorry and or congratulations.
Hoping you have better days ahead and the break up with your partner was beneficial for you.
It's kinda similar to Matrix Resurrections in it's contempt for it's own existence as well as a portion of it's audience.
But just knowing that that neck-beard who was bitching about how "Parasite" got the oscar for best picture
over the first Joker, is going to see Joker 2 and not understand it's giving him the finger gives me life 🤣
At least Matrix Resurrections had a bit more of a positive spin.
This is more than a little off-base though. The neckbeards who held up the first one as a masterpiece are the ones who are gonna hate this the most.
@@andreantunes8615 Apparently that's the point? idk.
Wow... nobody likes this thing.
At all. Kind of a shock, isn't it?
Didn't even know there was a sequel to until I saw the thumbnail for this video review, and despite having myself never bothered to watch Joker, I had no doubt that this sequel would be awful. Thank you Bob for being the only worthwhile movie critic.
Ok i want to put in a third person in the group for people who didnt know joker 2 sucked. i was legit completely unaware that Joker 2 was even coming out yet. I thought it was like next year.
I LOVED your review of that first overhyped drek stain, so nothing surprising here lol
With that opening, I did have to go onto Twitter and see if anyone had done that "Apollo -> The Gift of Prophecy" meme with that one already!
Liked for the Tweets at the top of the video... no further comments
I have zero interest in this, but I gotta support Bob by watching his videos.
Haven't seen the movie, probably going to grab it on Max, but I swear if Harley turns out to be a figment of Joker's imagination like the girl from the last one... we riot.
Imöginöry wömen, amrite?
I'd put the odds at 50-50 there.
@@johnathonhaney8291 I don't intend to watch the movie, but now i wanna know.
@@davidv4018 Give it a week and it'll be all over the forums. Then we'll know for sure.
This film series is going to be Bob’s Joker moment.
What does that even mean?
@@Jayfive276 It’s going to drive him crazy, ultimately creating his new persona the Chip-man.
@@WrynwynnThe man with a literal chip on his shoulder? I could watch that.
@@calebmarmon1310 I almost went with “The Chip-On-His-Shoulder Man”
Not just, one bad day, but, a bad series.
So is this fun to watch as in a watching a car crash in slow motion kind of way? I saw an interview touting how cool and genius was of lady gaga to walk into the set one day and tear the script to try something new. And that sounds like an absolute nightmare for the people working on this production
If true, sounds like she knew this movie was shit from the start.
@@johnathonhaney8291 lol true orrr maybe she ruined it further?
@@igosduikana3537 Possible but the likelihood is still in doubt. To go from A Star Is Born to THIS, however, would be a reason why she threw such a tantrum.
I wasn't expecting anything from this movie, and yet they still managed to disappoint me 😕 what an absolute garbage. I want my money back.
The only reason Joker 2 exists is because David Zaslav wanted a money-maker. This nitwit lost the NBA and kept AEW for 3-4 more years. Zaslav couldn't draw a dime if you gave him a box of crayons and construction paper.
lol. You poor little mark, AEW's flagship show, “Dynamite,” debuted on TNT in October 2019. The show currently ranks as Wednesday's number one cable entertainment series among adults 18-49. “Collision” is currently in the top five in its Saturday timeslot among both adults 18-49 and men 18-49....so yeah that's why they kept AEW.
@@obredaanps3 Christ, if you suck Tony Khan's dick any harder, his empty head will implode.
@@obredaanps3 Dude, speaking as someone who's also an AEW fan and doesn't care at all about basketball, if you think AEW has more viewership and draws more advertising revenue than the NBA, you are sorely mistaken. Not criticizing the AEW deal, I'm glad it's coming to Max, but business is business, and Zaslav is still a twit for losing the NBA.
Yeah, Zaslav definitely sucks, but keeping AEW was very much his "stopped clock being right" moment. Bad example.
Release Coyote V Acme!
Funny, I thought they just called it Joker again, like, Suicide Squad/Suicide Squad, I suppose there's a The somewhere there, but the subtitle is actually in the title. Just didn't notice it before.
If ever a movie didn't need a sequel, it was "Joker". Perfectly stand alone as it should have been --'nuff said.
Three minutes ago I didn't know this movie existed. Looks like I didn't miss much.
Much like James Cameron's Avatar films, your memory of the Joker films will self-destruct 30 seconds after this second one leaves theaters.
Wait, would that mean that as someone who loves musicals and never cared to watch the first movie...I might actually enjoy this?
No...because its still a Todd Phillips movie and a sequel to Joker.
@@willowpackerthestoryteller135 I mean, it can't be as bad as Hangover 2? There's a certain logic, that if it's very different movie, it should be possibly likeable. Especially if you like musicals.
Probably not. People are saying the muscial scenes are poorly staged, lacking inventive camera work or energy and that Pheonix sings like a dog barking into a bucket.
@@stevenfraser81 So...in terms of singing chops, Phoenix is no Hugh Jackman, I take it?
@@WolfRamAndHart Ironically, I actually liked Hangover 2 when I say it - granted, I'd only just turned 18.
Something tells me this movie is not going to be as successful as the first one… but what do I know.
More than the people who greenlit this project.
I liked it more than the first one, but possibly because it was worse
At least Arthur DID something in the first movie. He didn’t DO anything in this movie.
Now THIS is a movie franchise I'm happy to listen to you sh*t on! (I mean... not LITERALLY, but... You know what I mean.)
Todd Phillips really seems to be the most spiteful filmmaker working today.
Don't care about Joker or this sequel, but I am moderately interested in the schadenfreude its release will cause.
i didnt hate the first one and was kind of intrigued that this would be a musical. shame they didnt make original songs.
Once upon a time, back in the long-ago days of 2008, there was a Livejournal community (back when Livejournal was a thing) called Fuck You Batman. And it existed to lampoon some of the worst examples of Batman fanfiction in the wake of The Dark Knight. And while the community was actually fairly mean-spirited and its members un self aware of their own foibles as those things tended to go, I can't help but think that they would have had an absolute field day with both of these Joker movies.
Musicals peaked with Sweeney Todd, it's been downhill since then.
Yeah, the joke wasn't funny the first time around, only now my response when from crickets to active groaning.
To quote a previous Big Picture title on the subject of the first one, Stop Me If You've Heard This One Before.
I have a general rule for movies. If a non actor is given a major role & is promoted heavily (but it's a small part) it's likely going to be bad.
She's been in several movies and shows at this point. She's quickly moving past "non-actor" status.
Lady Gaga's often the best part of the bad films she winds up in (exception: A Star Is Born, which was a decent film). She just needs a better film to be in.
Gaga is actually good-side-of-competent at acting, tho. She's no Mariah.
LOL no
Wasnt interested in seeing the first one, but I was actually intrigued when i heard this would be a musical
Pretty bummed that it hates that it exists.
Been a while since we saw Bob bring out the flamethrower. Hope you got that out of your system buddy! 😂I also felt like an outlier for not liking the original Joker, glad to hear the sequel is carrying on the tradition.
I agree with basically everything, but gave it 8/10. They basically got Warner to shell out $200 million for a weird arthouse movie whose main theme is that people shouldn't like it. That's impressive. I have seen anything like it since The Matrix Resurrections.
Free video idea: Make a video about the right wing CHUDs who're gonna love this movie (you know the type, critical drinker, nerdrotic, the pronouns guy, the renfaire reject) just because of the AeStHeTiC and because they're too bad at watching movies. Build on that awesome point you made about them not trashing Cocaine Bear because they didn't get what it was saying because they're too bad at watching movies. I'd love to see something like that.
Not gonna insist on it though because I'm aware that to research that you'd have to watch a lot of bullshit on youtube.
Damn, those channels sound gnarly. I have never been happier not knowing who people are online ^^
@@christianjohansson7185 What you're saying is correct but it's not new. As I mentioned, those CHUDs feature every now and then in Big Picture episodes and every time comments underneath say stuff like "I can't believe people like this exist."
But they do... Mother of dog, they do...
Bob, your precognition is starting to scare me.
My friend exclusively calls the first one "Mental Health Joker" I just think that's funny
I gotta thank bob for really reinforcing the fact that i too, kinda hate people who love the joker as a character.
Well I like comic books and comic book movies and I also love musicals, but I'll be waiting for this one to come to streaming.
I'm eager to see the box office receipts.
It's currently tracking at a $140 million worldwide opening with $50 million being the domestic portion and the remainder, its expected international box office take. Front loaded and going down fast soon afterwards. RT score is 47% fresh out of 91 reviews filed so far.
Why? Are you a Discovery-Warner shareholder?
@@denniskristos3800 So...another catastrophic failure from WBD that will be part of the pile of mistakes that shall eventually override their few successes? Yeah, sounds right!
@@johnathonhaney8291 The failure of "Joker: Folie À Deux" will only flow more red ink that's drowning their balance sheets. David Zaslav is mismanaging his leadership of WBD. He has so far, fumbled their cable station assets and lost the NBA broadcast rights. He's fired a passel of execs and laid off massive numbers of workaday staff in his wide range restructuring of of WB's Studios operations and has cancelled numerous projects. His egregious budget cuts to existing flagship movies and TV/streaming series are boomaranging back at him... Looking at you, S2 "House Of The Dragon" whose budget was slashed (at the 11th hr before filming was to begin) by $40 - 50 million resulting in reducing the episode count by 2 and in the longer term, innumerable problems that will follow in the final two seasons if they're limited to 8 episodes each going forward. "The Last Of Us" also had its second season budget reduced by 2 episodes worth of cuts and Max (who will never reach Netflix' level of streaming market share), is about to announce further expansion into international markets.The budget cuts that I've mentioned, didn't make a dent in lightening their heavy debt load (at last report, estimated by Forbes and other analysts to be somewhere between $34 and 39 billion as it accumulated over the last 5 years or so). Long story short, it's a mess there and the situation isn't getting any better in the foreseeable future.
@@denniskristos3800 That $140 million number aint happening. Overseas total is looling more like $75 million and the US opening has dropped to $47 million with analysts saying probably lower than that. Its not even going to hit $300 million in tis total run at this stage and it cost $190 million instaed of the $60 mill the first one was made for. An $800 million drop off between the first two.
Don't think my mom understood at all why "I thought you would have loved the first one and want to watch this one" was an insult...
Okay, saying it's a Fuck You to the audience kinda makes me more interested in seeing this on the big screen, lol.
Same. I've always been interested in seeing what a labor of loathing would look like.
I hope that you'll eventually talk about Megalopolis, because I'd like to hear your take on what the f**k happened there. I, personally, have 2 observations on Megalopolis, and I'm curious if you might be in agreement.
1. This seems like what would happen if Richard Kelly adapted one of Ayn Rand's books.
2. The movie is like this because everyone working on it knew that this is likely Coppola's last film, and they decided to humor him.
The funny thing about this movie is the fact that once I heard it was a musical, I was immediately out.
Fuck yeah, Bob. I fucking applauded this review.
Funnily enough, my wife made me watch the first one, agreed with Bob about it after I saw it. And she's the one who wants to see this... not goin to the theater for it this time though
What is the biggest FU to the "Fans" of theirs this or the first ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion?
😮 ooooh boy this should be fun......😅 Honestly speaking I thought the first joker was fine not crap but rather as Bob would say treading lukewarm good enough imo this movie though felt like a two hour epilogue that noone asked for and feels like something you could take all the music out and be the same movie
Homelander and this Joker share the same fanboys. Unfortunately.
It says a lot about them, doesn't it? None of it good.
The movie was mediocre but i got alot of joy out of the anger that the edgelords who loves the first movie are having, and think its funny that they have the audacity to try and bait normies into watching a "potential" 3rd movie with the scene at the end.
GDI. Somehow I'd hadn't heard anything about J2, and hoped it would actually be a positive response to the original. Joaquin should do better.
Seeing just your opening quip about it has disheartened me significantly. I don't think I'll bother spending money to go see this now.
Remember when The Marvels got attacked by the chuds for its musical number? Yeah sounds like they owe that movie an apology.
Which they will never give and we know it.
@@ryantanner48 How honest they are about why is the real question. The chuds noted above? ANYTHING but honest.
Um, no…? I thought The Marvels was a bloated, unappealing mess. It was a bad movie, in my opinion.
Doesn’t make Joker: Folie Á Deux any better, but still, I’m not gonna give a movie I didn’t like an “apology” just because something else ended up being worse.
That’s not how criticism works.
Shocker, the sequel to a movie that sucks, also sucks. I also don't think that Tod is that self aware. I think he thinks he's a genius and thinks joker 2;the jonkler is also genius
Our Mr Chipman does like to give grace where he can. Screeny Todd, however, doesn't strike me as worth it.
I want Joker to do crimes so he can piss of Batman enough to coax him out to play!!
Henchmen so violent so as to tempt him to kill!
Long elaborate trap hallways where the last obstacle is just a normal banana peel ominously but benignly laying out in the open!
Attacks on other villains if they come too close to revealing Batman's identity, or if you want to be real spicy, threaten Bruce Wayne!!
Goodness gracious! Play him like he is Sherif Ali to his Lawrence god damnit!!