Apache Strongholds and the Tonto War: Inside the Superstition Mountains Conflict
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Join Larry Hedrick as he delves into the fierce Apache Strongholds in the Superstition Mountains Wilderness during the Apache Wars. When the peace policy failed to quell tensions between American settlers and the Yavapai and Tonto Apaches, General George Crook initiated the brutal Tonto War in 1872. Crook's innovative tactics, including the use of mule pack trains and recruiting Apache scouts, led to a relentless campaign against the "renegade" tribes. Crook's strategy of pushing into the mountains and destroying rancherias marked a turning point in the conflict. This is a powerful story of resistance, survival, and the harsh realities of war in the American West.
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I could listen to these history lessons for hours. Great job Larry, please keep them coming. People like you are becoming a rare breed. The history of the American West should never be forgotten.
happy new year!
Totally agree ☆
I lived in Apache Jct. in the 1970's and early 80's. We used to ride dirt bikes and explore that area as teenagers. We never found any gold, but surely enjoyed the freedoms of those days.
My two brothers and I also rode dirt bikes in that area in the late 70's/80s. They went to AJ high.
As a Southern Tonto Apache from the Bylas Settlement, it fills my heart to see even shreds of our history put out there, good medicine🙌🏾✨
Little off on the history but spot on with numbers
Larry are you ok my friend? Please don't go anywhere for a while. After losing so many lately then Hank, we really need you here keeping the dream alive. So many of us love you and this channel.
Best wishes 💙 💜
Catlife247
I’m fine, just can’t keep up the story a week pace like we use too.
Love this show Larry
Awesome thank you for sharing this History with us!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Great looking hair cut larry!
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Enjoyed the story Larry keep em coming,till next time take care my friend
I very much enjoy each and every history stories. Thanks.
Just love these old stories I think each and everyone of you !
Another great story!!, thank you!🙅♀️🙆♀️🖖😉
Thanks very much Larry
For keeping this going.
Always enjoy the stories.
Ron
Excellent history
You do a Great job of bringing us history!!!
Please keep it up
Thank You
I'm new to your channel and am enjoying the history so much. I grew up in AZ and recently moved back to the valley from flagstaff. I'm now in Queen Creek and can see the beautiful Superstition Mountains from here.
Please continue to share your knowledge with us.
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This stuff is great and everyone involved in putting this content out Larry had me on the hook telling the one about walking in on Clint Walker in a meeting and someone ask him to leave and Clint said no he can (STAY) !! Lol Cheyenne will always be my hero alongside all the people here of course !! On Clint’s stone all he wanted on it was (A Good Man ). Thanks
Thanks for another great episode, we all look forward to these. 👍
Thanks Larry! A fascinating history with many points unknown to me. You've made it tangible. I appreciate your work and skills much. Your knowledge is incredible. Please be well and have an awesome 2023.
Thanks again Larry, another top notch video.
Love it, always great History 👍
Wow! Such great info and research!
GREAT VIDEO!! I plan on taking a trip to the Superstition Mtns this year and visiting the Museum I stumbled across your series and have become highly intrigued with the area. Thanks!
Bring me back a T Shirt. :-)
Love your stories please keep them coming.
Awesome job!
thanx sir
Thank you 👍👏
Much abliged Captain, Happy Holiday's 🌲
Thank you very much ❤️
Great story Larry enjoyed it
Thanks Larry that was great
Skeleton cave on the north side of Apache lake was more of a slaughter. I was there in the 90s. Bits of bone and old cloth are still there in the ashes.
Thanks for the story, Larry. Appreciate y'all working so hard to bring us this content. I love Arizona history. Haven't heard one from San Felice in some time.
How's Jack?
Sorry to tell you but he passed.
@@lambastepirate no way...I looked on his website and didn't see anything about it. Jack San Felice passed?
@@jerm2011 Sorry I was thinking of Hank Sheffer though Jack is in poor health and lost his wife not long ago.
@@lambastepirate right, I had heard that his wife Wynne had died. That's a shame. I like Jack.
Jerm:
Jack had a fall some time ago that busted up his teeth pretty bad and lost his wife on top of that. They had just moved into assisted living. Jack has recovered from the fall and is giving lectures at the museum but he isn’t getting around like he used to.
I wonder if the disappearences in the Superstitions have something to do with descendants of holdout Apaches who worked their way back into the mountains.
Whoa. Could you elaborate some more on this theory?
My grandpa was from Estacion El Llano Sonora, (about 100 kilometers south of the border, from Nogales, Sonora or Arizona). They would go white tail deer hunting (and gold prospecting) west about 30 Kilometers to an area called El Cajon (the big box). During the 1920's and 1930's, they feared going there because there were stories of Apache holdouts, still living in those mountains, and occational stories of lost hunters or prospectors; plus occational loss of cattle and horses stolen. There may have been some of the Lipan Apaches (part of the Chiracahua offshoots tribes). As a young boy in the 1960's and early 1970's, my dad and grandpa took us hunting there, and we would always kill deer. That area could sustain a family of Apaches for many years, with plenty of wild life, and other natural foods. Also, the Pitaya catus about 40 kilometers south, provided abundance of prickly pears, in the late spring and early summer.
Thank God for Oklahoma.
Fantastic Trip through History... ♥️👍👍👍
Do you think the Apaches knew where The lost Dutchman mine was.????? Thanks for the info…….
Rick:
Many people think the Dr Thorne mine that the Apaches took him to was the mine that Waltz found and became the Lost Dutchman Mine.
Like everything else there is truth to the story and of course there is myth and nobody is ever going to know the real answer to that question.
@@larryhedrick254 interesting. Thank you for responding back……
For the life of me I'm still stuck on the vault room that the Apache Indians had somewhere in the Superstition Mountains. I want to find out if this vault room does exist or not. There is alot of truthful negality behind it and many people have claimed it does exist. Some stories of gold being stored there or Apache's stealing it to keep it from white men was very strong then and in these stories you draumatize facts of it's existence through the stories of those people that witnessed it back in the 1870's. Where do you find information to look for these stories and where do you create a search for it? The stories behind the Vault are worth soo much more than the value of gold to me. If you look at the war between the Apache's and the white man you'll see these great men fight over truth and not the value of gold. These stories is the real value because of the knowledge of what was in those stories. I do know about a great mystery behind the SS mountains that the Apache indian tribes have kept from the white men and I do want to mention it here bc of it's authenticity. The Apache knew of a sacred rock thats been hidden for years in their poesession. Who has this rock and where it is located haunts my mind bc they have it and try to keep the story hidden from the white man due to it's mysterious power to heal and it's priceless value. IF anyone knows more about this rock and these stories please share with me. I want the reader to understand that this rock has miraculous powers to heal. The Apache's do have this rock.
Can I ask what the source of the map is shown at 6:08?
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The map is my personal property and has been out of print for 20 some years or more.
@@larryhedrick254 Gotcha, thanks for the reply. The 'stone idol' is intriguing - guess I have another thing to look for next time I'm in Garden Valley. Thank you for the video.
Is there a book about all of these stories?
Nick:
Sorry, no there is not.
Hope your health is well you sounded a little under the weather
Tanker
Yes I had lost my voice completely due to a head cold a week earlier and still was very bass voiced at the time.
The American Indians never understood their place in the world.
tortilla ranch
They weren't all apaches ya apaid
Yavapais
Just leave it to the white man to tell the Apache history #SMH 🤦🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
#Nativepride
#SanCarlosApache
I'm going to watch the "Apache Wars" episode you mentioned and will edit this comment if it changes my mind. I take issue with your saying the Apaches were "not indigenous" and that they "raided everybody." If they were there since the 1300s, they were indigenous for all intents and purposes compared with invading Spaniards and Mexicans. One could say it was Spaniards and Mexicans who were raiding territory that didn't belong to them.
Jeff:
Please feel free to do that but keep in mind that the Apache started in in Arizona in small numbers and grew in strength over time. The Comanche drove the Apache from western Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas in the 1700s.
@@larryhedrick254 Thanks for the reply. I have been enjoying this RUclips channel for several years, beginning when I did four day-hikes in the Supes during a vacation week based in Phoenix a few years ago. Although the Apaches may have been more aggressive towards other Indian tribes, I'm sensitive to Indians being depicted as violent savages, which is such a common and false narrative in United States culture. I get a lot of free 1950s western movies via my Roku TV and it seems like half of them involve white men fighting Indians.
@@jeffstone28
Jeff:
I’m sorry but those 300 murderers I spoke of were documented and contained some unspeakable brutality and torture. In fact the Pima carried war clubs and smashed the faces in of dead Apaches having something to do with the dead walking around the “happy hunting grounds” blind and unrecognizable. The Apaches did the same to the Pima. I don’t go into that much detail in my stories but I defend my research and story telling.
The white soldiers did not participate in such things the Pima and Maricopa did to the dead but did little to stop if anything to stop it.
Here is the link to the Apache wars in Arizona which was unlike anything in the plains wars.
m.ruclips.net/video/5DwBAK7Iqi0/видео.html
@@larryhedrick254I don't dispute the details you're presenting or your research. I'm just mentioning that what European settlers did to Native American peoples living in North America was often the very definition of brutality. Surely you agree?
@@jeffstone28it was a crude time in southwestern history and all sorts of men did all sorts of unsavory things. To take offense at someone stating facts about the warfare between groups of people in early Arizona is just foolish and shows you aren’t here for the history, but rather the social aspect.
Driven the white man from their territory lol 😂
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