21:28 is actually a really good point. Just making a cleaner looking version of the same game isn’t going to get the lost players back. They’re aiming to make a whole new game with a whole new strategy that you need to consider and if you don’t like the changes there is always regular OW that you can still play
@@DDoig1 Smart take. Blizzard is more interested in the one they don't know rather than the one they have. If a person in your life behaved this way it would be time to part ways, which is what I'll be doing if they change to 5v5.
@@DDoig1 Maybe because the once who still play it decrease over time because more players quit than new players join. Also why investing in a game with a very limited player pool. You could use the resources for a new game with a larger player pool potential.
This episode was the best in a few months, and I loved it. I always look forward to the next one of these videos as soon as I'm done with the last one, and I'm never disappointed. Keep up the great work, I know a lot goes into these.
@@ixchel3330 I have not come across any reasons gameplay-wise why 5v5 is a bad idea. Pretty much everything I've come across has been gut reactions or thinking of the game as it currently is rather than what it could be. I'm open to hearing good reasons as to why, gameplay-wise, 5v5 is a bad idea.
@@kenmenpiano They would have to change so mutch for example: Nerf Stuns, hack, and almost all CC Massively nerf healing numbers And rework all tanks especially hog and zaria to the point they aren't the same character
@@ixchel3330 Exactly. That's why it's being released as a new game rather than a patch. Given that Mei is losing her ability to freeze, Mcree losing his flash-bang, and other CC abilities being removed, there's no doubt in my mind that is the path they are taking.
I honestly didn't hear any good take from Flats; pretty much everything he said was a gut emotional reaction and he didn't address any of the main reasons why the devs are considering 5v5 in the first place. He seemed really emotional that he won't be able to play tank with Emongg anymore :(
@@rafaelreis5252 I did watch his stream. I also watched other player's takes on it and I feel ProLikeChro's take on it makes a lot more sense than Flat's honestly.
He also doesn't even realize nobody gives a shit about OWL anymore. I mean, if he'd rather play a half dead game, he can fuck off. I personally am sick of 10+ minutes queues in ranked.
The thing is they need to let us play it before implementing it as the only option. I understand the arguments about it being good but they all hinge on Blizzard doing it correctly and honestly, I don't have that confidence based on some other changes. So even though it could be good, I think it's more likely it's trash and if they fully develop OW2 for it, there's probably no going back even if it does suck.
@@Astralmess Actually there is a good chance of that as several games that people have "left Overwatch to play instead" are 5v5 options. But there is a reason that Overwatch was balanced for 6v6
that quakedonclip was actually the dva's clip. You can see that the bomb is perfectly hanging over the edge of the stairs, so they all would have died regardless of if quake uppercut them
When call of duty 1 went from 6v6 to 5v5 it was an uproar..but better for the game in the end. More skill required, strategies had to be flexible, easier to coordinate 5 ppl for practice/match, easier to build and maintain teams and more of them. There was always the 6th guy who was sometimes flaky and he just became a bench player who likely needed to do that anyways and didn't have to leave the team. 5v5 brought the teams closer together long term, but it was not well received at the start.
I'm personally not upset they're making the game 5v5, but I would love the devs to implement 6v6 in arcade or something, but that might defeat the purpose of having the former. Either way, I'm still looking forward to OW2 in the future
Nah I don't think it would defeat the purpose. It's kind of like how Overwatch Classic is an option. I think it would be a nice compromise, especially if they can add a comp for it like ope. Q has. Would be a good way to listen to the community but at the same time make the big changes Overwatch needs.
I'm curious to see the new numbers on tanks for 5v5. And also the gameplay changes, like, I often flank as a Roadhog, but if I'm the only tank I won't be able to do this that often.
So possible shield tank jail or off tanks that can't leave their team to dive. How much adjusting is needed for something that's been at the game's core for five years, especially from these devs that can't even nerf McCree already like what happened with Genji.
They can call it "Survivor Bias" all they want but if you are going to completely remodel a game to try and get new players and nearly completely upsetting your player base in the process you are losing more than your potential game. It shouldn't be about the people who have left but the people who are still here and there are still people coming to play the game that are new to it even now. It is completely disrespectful for the people who do still play the game to change it so deep and fundamentally that it is not going to be the game that people have kept with for so long. If you cannot respect and be grateful for the player base you have then who is going to want to move to a game that will change just for the potential growth at the cost of who stayed around?
I feel bad for Super... He was in front of everyone and his mic was messed because they made him download this weird third-party thing that turned his mic WAYYYY up :( He's gonna be bullied for so long LMAO
What was you favorite clip or moment from this week's episode? Comment below!
5:02
@@obihugzenobi true he didn’t have to do that to him
9:33 made me like the video
15:59
2:13
Guys, you forget the most important. 5v5 overwatch means that we will never be able to hear again that sweet sweet "sextuple kill" from Athena
to be fair overwatch 2's narrator is maximillien
speeewagooun
Would love to have multiple narrators
Killing 5 + Ashe Bob
With Bob it could be 6
2:13
Genji: My People Need Me, I must Go!
I read this comment and watched it again, had me dead
Fucking what
HMMM
bruh it’s not “Marco” 😔
Hey yo
When did you play ow
i saw it and it made me laugh so hard
Lol
Snad
I love how the 1st clip is always harbleu and the 2nd is sleepy
Und ich mag dein bild 👌🏼
16:00 this sombra play is insane
0:21 look at that face. that evil grin is hilarious 😆 🤣
Finally. Took a while to find a comment not talking about the 5v5
21:28 is actually a really good point. Just making a cleaner looking version of the same game isn’t going to get the lost players back. They’re aiming to make a whole new game with a whole new strategy that you need to consider and if you don’t like the changes there is always regular OW that you can still play
OW1 updates when OW2 drops. 5v5 across the board.
Ow and Ow2 will have crossplay so all the PvP changes will be in Ow also.
I didn't like his view at all. There are people who like Overwatch now. Why is he focused on the people who use to play? You can't please everyone.
@@DDoig1 Smart take. Blizzard is more interested in the one they don't know rather than the one they have. If a person in your life behaved this way it would be time to part ways, which is what I'll be doing if they change to 5v5.
@@DDoig1 Maybe because the once who still play it decrease over time because more players quit than new players join.
Also why investing in a game with a very limited player pool. You could use the resources for a new game with a larger player pool potential.
This episode was the best in a few months, and I loved it. I always look forward to the next one of these videos as soon as I'm done with the last one, and I'm never disappointed. Keep up the great work, I know a lot goes into these.
Everyone at 12:26 : Hay barrel shatter still works??
Me at 12:26 : *c h a i r*
LMAO
I came here just to check if anyone else caught his pronunciation of “hay bale” and he said “hey barrel” every time
I love popular Overwatch streamer and content creator “Marco”
fr, 10/10
did you know that he has a degree in marcoeconomics?
@@antiqueland is that like Marco-Polo but when someone calls "Marco", you check the stock market?
And his best series for pros and makes perfect sense
20:26 they saved money by hiring old tf2 testers he thought he was engineer
Man Flats is taking this 5v5 change pretty poorly, meanwhile supports over here like :D
His entire career has been built around duo tanking with emongg tbh, so it’s understandable.
Plus 5v5 is a bad idea imo
@@ixchel3330 I have not come across any reasons gameplay-wise why 5v5 is a bad idea. Pretty much everything I've come across has been gut reactions or thinking of the game as it currently is rather than what it could be. I'm open to hearing good reasons as to why, gameplay-wise, 5v5 is a bad idea.
@@kenmenpiano They would have to change so mutch for example:
Nerf Stuns, hack, and almost all CC
Massively nerf healing numbers
And rework all tanks especially hog and zaria to the point they aren't the same character
@@ixchel3330 Exactly. That's why it's being released as a new game rather than a patch. Given that Mei is losing her ability to freeze, Mcree losing his flash-bang, and other CC abilities being removed, there's no doubt in my mind that is the path they are taking.
6:28 THANK YOU! I'm not the only one constantly thinking that!
I love jay's 3 "whaaaaaaaaat??!!"
the bastion shot through the the window LOL
5:33 they put Marco instead of Macro lmao
Oh wow I just realized that
harb has quickly became one of my favorite streamers
The Flats clip at 16:17 is so funny
After sleepy complaining about supers volume it shows his clip for the perfect example, amazing
“Haybarrel” -Yeatle
Feels so good having Brandito back
I wish we had more clips from Flats, he had some amazing takes in 5v5
I honestly didn't hear any good take from Flats; pretty much everything he said was a gut emotional reaction and he didn't address any of the main reasons why the devs are considering 5v5 in the first place. He seemed really emotional that he won't be able to play tank with Emongg anymore :(
@@kenmenpiano I mean if you just seen some out of context clips yeah but watching his stream makes it pretty clear how awful for the game this is
@@rafaelreis5252 and that’s his opinion, there’s many others who think this is going to be great for the game
@@rafaelreis5252 I did watch his stream. I also watched other player's takes on it and I feel ProLikeChro's take on it makes a lot more sense than Flat's honestly.
wow this is amazing content! cant wait for next weeks!
This literally came out 3 minutes ago, you haven’t even seen the full video yet lmao
I'm excited for overwatch 2 but I feel like 5v5 will feel too slow and feel more like a deathmatch
That second clip is the most accurate thing I’ve ever seen
the cyx clip at 2:12 has me so geeked
Lmao ya
11:17 its like the invisible tire dropping from the top I have seen on videos
5:28 my boy made it
Does anyone know the Workshop Code from the kephrii Clip at 11:02?
YOU CAN SEE HIS NAME IS MACRO ON THE SUB GOAL
Lmao I mod for Macro and I sent this to him and he just laughed
that chair is the only pro player in this game
Made my Day Dude ❤
what happened to the genji at 2:14 😂😂😂
He surfed towards Mt fuji
13:21
Flats: I got to escort this payload
Enemy team: understandable, have a nice day.
16:17 best clip
Said 5v5 was disrespectful to pros.
Said their aim was dog shit anyway.
Ummmm
Gotta love how unselfaware some people are lol
He also doesn't even realize nobody gives a shit about OWL anymore. I mean, if he'd rather play a half dead game, he can fuck off. I personally am sick of 10+ minutes queues in ranked.
interesting commentary about OW2. glad all that was included
10:40
It's a portal to the end dimension.
11:10 anyone know the song?
that getquackedon doomfist and dva clip was fire
12:59 "esports ready title."
Flats raging cus he cant duo with emongg anymore
? I dont get it
wdym emongg is a genji main?
Why do you have Closed Captions disabled?
not a fan of 5v5 but i need to play to make my opinion solid
The thing is they need to let us play it before implementing it as the only option. I understand the arguments about it being good but they all hinge on Blizzard doing it correctly and honestly, I don't have that confidence based on some other changes. So even though it could be good, I think it's more likely it's trash and if they fully develop OW2 for it, there's probably no going back even if it does suck.
@@sarahh5258 You really think they've come to the 5v5 conclusion without any playtesting and player feedback?
@@Astralmess probably not, but they need to convince the player base.
@@Astralmess Actually there is a good chance of that as several games that people have "left Overwatch to play instead" are 5v5 options. But there is a reason that Overwatch was balanced for 6v6
@@Astralmess did you saw the torb tester ?
The space clip lmao
12:40 I can’t listen to him say hay barrel one more time
THANK YOU that pissed me off
10:04 help with music please.
Wait a minute, why is ML7 on Lucio?
He always plays Lucio to get back from spawn, and sometimes he gets stuck on him for a while
8:02 there is no way this guy is sponsored by the deli meat company deitz & watson
4:07の神阻害のアナ、我らがsabagodじゃん
13:26 oh, the negotiator
Yooo another PoggersMcDoggers video. the bastion clip takes the cake imo
22:25 This is painful
that quakedonclip was actually the dva's clip. You can see that the bomb is perfectly hanging over the edge of the stairs, so they all would have died regardless of if quake uppercut them
15:12 when you pee white for the first time
2:12 life could be dream life could be dream
1:36 reasons you don’t fan the hammer. Smh.
I FELT that window
When call of duty 1 went from 6v6 to 5v5 it was an uproar..but better for the game in the end. More skill required, strategies had to be flexible, easier to coordinate 5 ppl for practice/match, easier to build and maintain teams and more of them. There was always the 6th guy who was sometimes flaky and he just became a bench player who likely needed to do that anyways and didn't have to leave the team. 5v5 brought the teams closer together long term, but it was not well received at the start.
I'm personally not upset they're making the game 5v5, but I would love the devs to implement 6v6 in arcade or something, but that might defeat the purpose of having the former.
Either way, I'm still looking forward to OW2 in the future
Nah I don't think it would defeat the purpose. It's kind of like how Overwatch Classic is an option. I think it would be a nice compromise, especially if they can add a comp for it like ope. Q has. Would be a good way to listen to the community but at the same time make the big changes Overwatch needs.
Watch something happened to zarya here LOL ruclips.net/video/C7rocAfcp8c/видео.html
"hay barrel"
You should definitely be able to shatter through a fricking hay bale.
I'm curious to see the new numbers on tanks for 5v5. And also the gameplay changes, like, I often flank as a Roadhog, but if I'm the only tank I won't be able to do this that often.
10:06 i hate it i hate it so much, not only is it where "mia" gets bonked JUST THE TITLE OF THE VIDEOO
my brain when macro becomes marco
i think 7v7 would be better than 5v5
2-3-2?
@@ixchel3330 I think there would have to be too many nerfs to DPS to fit that. The TTK would be so low nobody plays tank yeah?
@@andrewz4401 True, but i think 3-2-2 would be just GOATS, and 2-2-3 would mean everyone would be immortal
I can hear support mains sobbing in the distance at the idea of having to heal 6 of their teammates
@@ixchel3330 3 DPS so you could enjoy the extra 15 minutes in queues *chef's kiss*.
6:08 I can hear sparkle clearly
3:10 wtf was he about to say??? 🤨
“Hay barrel”
Bugger off with the Redshell content yeah?
Sleepy clips never lets me down
Holy shit, fearless lives up to his name
AVRL kinda speaking facts
15:49
5:35 they spelled macro like marco
6:06 스파키 쏘 굿
hey blizzard can you make a console settings guide
i like how most of these clips are just jay3 getting bad luck
Does that guy who said “why is he hammering the turret” not know that that’s how you heal it
He just put it down he doesn't need to heal it
I didn't think Overwatch would be like in this situation until around Ashe came
It's more sad that they made streamers to say those things
21:30 tough shit, fuck'em
Im trying to get some clips for these videos in my stream but i suck i guess
So Flats has decided to go the classic doomsayer way. Calm down man, you haven't even played the game and you've already decided it's bad.
3:20 wtf is this skin ayo
R.i.p emongg flats duo
2:13 Thor’s hammer
12:59 and 16:56 Esports ready title.
still shocked redshell gets included every new edition 😷
Now I know why I have a doom in every game
So possible shield tank jail or off tanks that can't leave their team to dive. How much adjusting is needed for something that's been at the game's core for five years, especially from these devs that can't even nerf McCree already like what happened with Genji.
5:46
They can call it "Survivor Bias" all they want but if you are going to completely remodel a game to try and get new players and nearly completely upsetting your player base in the process you are losing more than your potential game. It shouldn't be about the people who have left but the people who are still here and there are still people coming to play the game that are new to it even now. It is completely disrespectful for the people who do still play the game to change it so deep and fundamentally that it is not going to be the game that people have kept with for so long.
If you cannot respect and be grateful for the player base you have then who is going to want to move to a game that will change just for the potential growth at the cost of who stayed around?
I feel bad for Super... He was in front of everyone and his mic was messed because they made him download this weird third-party thing that turned his mic WAYYYY up :( He's gonna be bullied for so long LMAO
ah yes marco, the famous content creator
i only know macro
Imagine thinking it’s called a hay barrel
11:00
6:10 왜 부끄러움은 우리꺼냐...
Am I the only one that hear Mayushii's Tutturu in the background @0.32 s?
Everyone gangin up in super lol. Leave the dude alone n turn him down lol