The Catenary - Mathematics All Around Us.

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @Garbaz
    @Garbaz 9 лет назад +80

    In case somebody is wondering what "cosh" is:
    "cosh" stands for hyperbolic cosine, a function related to the cosine.
    Even though their plots don't look alike at all, the mathematical notation does.
    The cosine can be written as
    cos(a) = ( e^(i*a) + e^(-i*a) )/2
    where "e" is Euler's constant, "i" is the complex identity (i² = -1) and "a" is the angle.
    The hyperbolic cosine looks quite similar:
    cosh(a) = ( e^(a) + e^(-a) )/2
    It's almost the same, except that the hyperbolic cosine misses the "i", the complex identity. It can also be written as
    cosh(a) = cos( i * a)
    since i * i = i² = -1, thereby getting rid of the "i" in the exponent and flipping the sign.
    sinh,tanh and coth also exist, with similar relationships to sine, tangent and the cotangent.
    Further information:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_function

    • @km-sc4kz
      @km-sc4kz 3 года назад

      thanks very helpful

  • @zuzaaa1998
    @zuzaaa1998 Год назад +5

    First time I saw this video was around the time it was released. Back then I was ending my elementary school, so I didn't understand what the cosh(x) really is, but this video had surely inspired me, I thought it was one of the most beautiful videos on youtube. It had convinced me to study mathematics and that I want mathematics to be a part of my life. Since then I've watched it dozens of times along the years and I always revisit it with the same joy as when I first saw it as a young teenager. Now I am doing my masters in maths, I know what the cosh function is and how to derive the equation for hanging rope, but I still really enjoyed the video. Although the camera is a little bit shaky in some places and the quality of youtube videos has improved since 2012 I think it aged pretty well. Thank you again! I think that it wouldn't be an exaggeration if I said that this video shaped my life in terms of my interest in mathematics

    • @singingbanana
      @singingbanana  Год назад +3

      This is wonderful. I'm glad it did so much for you!

  • @ragnkja
    @ragnkja 11 лет назад +5

    I'm not sure how many times I've watched this. I just keep coming back to it; it's simply beautiful.

  • @FizzicksDude
    @FizzicksDude 12 лет назад

    You are on your way to being a leader and ambassador for science and mathematics, and I think everyone will know you name someday!

  • @surferdude0711
    @surferdude0711 12 лет назад +2

    James came to our school today to do a presentation on the enigma, and even brought it along! Not everyday that you get to meet your hero, haha.
    I wasn't one of the ones who you needed to convince to go into maths, since GCHQ or research at Oxbridge have always been my ideal career paths, but it was a great insight into codebreaking.
    That has actually made my week, so thanks for that. Also, to anyone wondering, he really is as happy and enthusiastic as he seems in his videos. :D
    -Luther

  • @PrimusProductions
    @PrimusProductions 10 лет назад +50

    Your coat is awesome.

  • @SpreadTheTruthUSA
    @SpreadTheTruthUSA 5 лет назад +1

    The best and most informed mathematical video I ever watched.

  • @abraham4124
    @abraham4124 2 года назад +2

    That’s why everyone loves James!

  • @olbaze
    @olbaze 10 лет назад

    The music makes this somehow beautiful. This is going straight to my go-to videos to show to people not into math.

  • @xyz76021
    @xyz76021 5 лет назад

    the way he explained nature and practical applications of the whole catenary concept left me speachless. bravo!

  • @Zoidmatrix
    @Zoidmatrix 12 лет назад

    I love how all comments are about this video being much more professional than your previous ones. - And I love the video itself, great job.

  • @lanreenilo6607
    @lanreenilo6607 10 лет назад +3

    This video on catenary is a real eye opener. As i further delve into the world of mathematics I gain a a greater appreciation and understanding of how mathematics works in the world..

  • @DubGoodness
    @DubGoodness 12 лет назад

    I bet, Mr. Grime, that you enjoyed doing this clip very much.
    And congrats on the amazing production, hats down to Mr Bailey!

  • @Idacertei
    @Idacertei 10 лет назад +8

    this video deserves at least 1 million of views , beautiful , thanks doctor.

  • @smatiscool1995
    @smatiscool1995 11 лет назад +1

    So inspiring. They say poetry gives you a new outlook to life. For me, it's Mathematics. Thanks James, you showed that this glorious orchestra numbers and equations (Mathematics), is not only beautiful and elegant itself, but also has the potential to describe and express the beauty and elegance of the world around us. Thanks again.

  • @singingbanana
    @singingbanana  11 лет назад

    Wow! I hope you enjoy it!

  • @maximeistasse8787
    @maximeistasse8787 11 лет назад

    As long as you stay curious, either maths, physics or engineering are awesome I think (and more...). There're things to learn in each field, and it'll open your doors to others. You can extend your formation rather quickly at uni, or even by yourself.
    I've studied civil engineering for my first year, now I'm working 2 months in a statistical environment, trust me, even this make you thirsty once you're in. Hopefully, we have internet now... With so much resources from such inspiring people.

  • @MatematicaTel
    @MatematicaTel 11 лет назад +30

    Absolutely fantastic!! I have a math channel in Brasil, but I wanna be like singbanana. Thank you teacher James Grime!!

  • @_notch
    @_notch 3 года назад

    The style and background music certainly has changed over the year, but the passion is the same as ever. Love your work.

  • @sergyu123456
    @sergyu123456 12 лет назад

    Damn it, I just found your channel after having seen all the numberphile videos. I love you, man. You're so happy about maths and everything. Your smile is just killing me. I could never get enough of you or your videos, even if you failed me in maths. xD

  • @Mackinstyle
    @Mackinstyle 12 лет назад

    Every single video you do from now on should have super profound, inspirational music in the background.

  • @laremere
    @laremere 12 лет назад

    Wow, this video has amazing production value! At first I thought it was an announcement for a full length documentary about math at first...

  • @danrain12345
    @danrain12345 12 лет назад

    James I want to say thanks for all the videos on your channel and Numberphile. You've really inspired me to try cool and interesting things with math. You always show the beauty of mathematics, and I thank you for that.

  • @lebagelboy
    @lebagelboy 12 лет назад

    Really liked this video, loving the way it was shot as well. Seemed really professional as if the BBC had put it together or something.

  • @dancingpotplant
    @dancingpotplant 11 лет назад

    I may not always follow what you're teaching us but your enthusiasm makes the videos both enjoyable and keeps challenging me to come back for more.
    Thank you :-)

  • @Kaepsele337
    @Kaepsele337 11 лет назад

    I'm studying physics in second semester, and we do the mathematics behind it right now. I thought it was really cool to find out the curve of a chain on my own with simple mathematics.
    Totally awesome.
    The really cool thing about these mathematics is that you can even calculate the way light goes throught various media, or how to build a slide where you can get from A to B in the shortest amount of time possible. And the maths behind it is all the same. How great is that?

  • @twitcher81
    @twitcher81 12 лет назад

    You know, this newest video has probably the highest quality of all your videos I've seen. While I watched it I thought, wow, this is indistinguishable from those BBC documentaries about mathematics (eg. dangerous knowledge, the secret life of chaos etc).
    I don't know how difficult it was to make this video, but keeping up this kind of quality will surely open many doors for you!

  • @excepto94
    @excepto94 12 лет назад

    Ok, this might be one of the best videos on youtube!

  • @QuasarRiceMints
    @QuasarRiceMints 10 лет назад +7

    I always find your explanations and videos interesting, but somehow this one is especially beautiful. Great video, Dr. Grime! :)

    • @florius22
      @florius22 10 лет назад +1

      I believe that's cause of the music in the background! Really good choice of music here!

  • @experiencebg
    @experiencebg 11 лет назад

    James, please make a video like this it's truly marvelous !

  • @MuffinsAPlenty
    @MuffinsAPlenty 5 лет назад

    This video popped up for me again, and I love it! I once showed this to an engineering calculus class to motivate why they should care about the hyperbolic functions we were seeing (the curriculum only covered the definitions and derivatives of sinh and cosh, but nothing else).
    Unrelated, seeing this video pop up again, I had a thought about my own area of study, commutative algebra. There is a type of ring called "catenary ring". Seeing this video gave me an "aha!" moment about why these rings might be called catenary rings.
    In commutative algebra, one often defines invariants based on chains of prime ideals. For example, the height of a prime ideal P in a ring R is the supremum of the lengths of chains of prime ideals in R which end at P (though we count the "links", not the ideals themselves; in other words, a single prime P is a "chain of length 0"). Pondering this definition for a while, one can notice that you only really need to consider "saturated chains", i.e., chains in which you cannot insert an additional prime ideal. A very surprising thing is that, given two prime ideals P and Q with P contained in Q, you could have saturated chains from P to Q of different lengths, though it's quite challenging to come up with "natural" examples of such a situation.
    Catenary rings are those rings in which every saturated chain of prime ideals (from any fixed prime P to any fixed prime Q containing P) has the same length. In some sense, you can think of it as having the property that all chains of prime ideals are "hanging freely". If you fix prime ideals P contained in Q, then you can think of P and Q as the posts, and imagine all saturated chains from P to Q. Shorter chains would have more tension in them than longer chains. So since all the saturated chains are the same length, you can think of them as all having the same tension. And why not consider that to be "hanging freely"?

  • @gingerhid
    @gingerhid 12 лет назад +1

    wow, this is really professionally edited and presented, and fascinating as usual of course! great work!

  • @MicheleeiRettili
    @MicheleeiRettili 10 лет назад +4

    beautifully filmed and created. Great quality, mixed with the usual great way of expressing out concepts you have. A "like" is not enough

  • @IronAnimation
    @IronAnimation 12 лет назад

    really liking the professionalism! Especially the audio quality and the graphics.

  • @singingbanana
    @singingbanana  12 лет назад +2

    Bah, who needs TV anyway. We have RUclips.

  • @JordanScales
    @JordanScales 12 лет назад

    Excellent video James! I had no idea these curves existed. And the part about arches? Mind-boggling.

  • @ETlerin
    @ETlerin 12 лет назад

    Great example for great scientific journalism.
    Well explained, well packed, good Video quality, nice special effects, sympathic host, impressive locations, everyday applicability, eloquent anekdotes...
    keep on!

  • @Rockwarrior2004
    @Rockwarrior2004 12 лет назад

    this is the most unique video i have seen posted by singing banana. Its actually quite soothing. *Replays* I don;t understand the math at all. but i love the music.

  • @MsDaskino
    @MsDaskino 12 лет назад

    I just spent my entire friday night re-watching all singingbanana videos while building a post-it dodecahedron. it was amazing :)
    looking forward to many more videos!

  • @OoleoleoleO
    @OoleoleoleO 12 лет назад

    i've always liked maths in my entire life, since i was in kindergarden, and when i watch these kind of videos i feel inspired to be a great mathematician like this guy :D

  • @philmccrackenproduct
    @philmccrackenproduct 12 лет назад

    the production work in this video is phenominal!

  • @rjmsilveira
    @rjmsilveira 12 лет назад

    James, you got yourself one more subscriber.
    Your explanations are amazing, simple to understand and expressed with alot of passion.
    Greetings from Portugal and best of luck!

  • @MrCerialKiller
    @MrCerialKiller 11 лет назад

    Absolutely brilliant, You are very inspiring James

  • @onjit
    @onjit 12 лет назад

    So classy and professional.

  • @Boomshicleafaunda
    @Boomshicleafaunda 12 лет назад

    Love the video! Great music too.
    Can't wait for the next one!

  • @kyleinwis
    @kyleinwis 10 лет назад +4

    Great editing Dr. Grimes!!

  • @DrDeeDot
    @DrDeeDot 12 лет назад

    I like the high production values of this video, James.

  • @singingbanana
    @singingbanana  12 лет назад +23

    You get two numberphile videos a week. We don't literally film two videos a week, that would be inefficient. Not much of a conspiracy.

  • @Error081688
    @Error081688 12 лет назад

    Excellent video, Dr. Grime. I can't believe Ben never told me about this.

  • @EineAntonia
    @EineAntonia 12 лет назад

    you came to my school today and i just wanted to say that you did so well! you actually made me like maths a bit more :D

  • @jvcmarc
    @jvcmarc 7 лет назад

    not to lose the focus on the incredible math that was going on this video but your outfit was amazing

  • @CaesarOfCitrus
    @CaesarOfCitrus 12 лет назад

    WoW that was mind-blowing!
    Awesome!

  • @vanessathenavigator
    @vanessathenavigator 11 лет назад

    James, you're lovely and inspirational! I've never been too bright at maths but ever since I've begun watching your videos it's sparked an interest I never knew I had. I'd love to be there if you ever do any talks in California.

  • @henrysaga14
    @henrysaga14 12 лет назад

    A beautiful presentation bringing to light the many wonders of Mathematics all around us.
    Also, as a civil engineering undergrad, i happen to have a professional interest in the catenary. Cheers! Subscribed :)

  • @Cyroavernus
    @Cyroavernus 11 лет назад

    Awesome!!!Beautifully made!!

  • @gulvaz1
    @gulvaz1 11 лет назад

    I could listen to you all day! :D Thank you for bringing me some understanding to what I once thought was impossible for me to do so!

  • @KetoMelange
    @KetoMelange 11 лет назад

    Looking at this video I have no doubt that one day, if you so choose it, you'll be to mathematics what Carl Sagan is to physics, James. All you need is some funding and a directive crew really, you've already got the rest. Keep up the good work!

  • @AdderSIG
    @AdderSIG 12 лет назад

    I'm sure Vi Hart mentioned the non-parabolic/ellipse properties of these curves, but gave a geometric construction. If you roll a parabola along a line, its focus traces a catenary... which just adds to the elegance and confusion. Especially when you've studied the conic sections question in Technical Drawing.

  • @monikabaumann6050
    @monikabaumann6050 11 лет назад +73

    I seriously can't be the only person who was distracted by how sexy his outfits were. I mean, dat coat was amazing.

    • @rebeccarankin823
      @rebeccarankin823 6 лет назад +6

      no shit right. where did he get it??!

    • @LitoGeorge
      @LitoGeorge 5 лет назад +1

      You're objectifying his clothing and reducing it to sex. Whilst doing this, you've ignored his message. Shameful and sexist. Perhaps you should lose your jobs and earning potential. #metoo equality.

    • @GamerTheTurtle
      @GamerTheTurtle 4 года назад

      @@LitoGeorge man shut up lol

  • @unseldomdrastic
    @unseldomdrastic 12 лет назад

    I like your style, Dr. Grime.

  • @26themir
    @26themir 11 лет назад +1

    An excellent video, keep up the good work

  • @Ayokalyb
    @Ayokalyb 12 лет назад

    I admire your passion, sir.

  • @ZmakiZ
    @ZmakiZ 12 лет назад

    I really like this new format! Hope to see more of it in the near future!

  • @anthonymontanio1012
    @anthonymontanio1012 11 лет назад +4

    This is really informative! Please make more videos regarding the mathematics in nature and engineering. :)
    Thank You!

  • @wjaverill
    @wjaverill 11 лет назад

    Although the math shown in all his videos are amazingly well displayed, I absolutely love the background music. It's beautiful and makes the video that much more pleasing. I hope he includes other pieces of classical music to enrich his videos :)

  • @Nebucatnetzer
    @Nebucatnetzer 12 лет назад

    The beginning of this video reminded me of a BBC documentation. Well done!

  • @ha2360
    @ha2360 12 лет назад

    GREAT video! Music in the background was amazing

  • @FredericBayer
    @FredericBayer 12 лет назад

    This is like a television public service announcement...really well made!

  • @paul1964uk
    @paul1964uk 12 лет назад

    I believe because the rope bridge can change its shape (in response to any loads) as you move between its supports, whereas the suspension bridge is designed not to. This results in an increase in moment (turning forces) as you move towards the centre from either direction. The supporting cables now have to distribute that increasing 'sideways' force and the result is a slightly 'shallower' (parabolic) curve compared to the free-hanging one.
    HTH

  • @singingbanana
    @singingbanana  12 лет назад

    A bit off topic, but quickly: they guess a word that might appear in the message and try to find where it fits. The clue is that a letter can't become itself. So if I take a German word like "wetter" it wouldn't fit where the code says "njgthk" because that means the 't' in wetter becomes 't' in the code. But maybe "wetter" fits where the code says "hgsohp" because then there are no matches. This means 'w' becomes 'h', 'e' becomes 'g' and so on. That's your starting point for breaking the code.

  •  11 лет назад

    Awesome!!! Love your work.

  • @bluto212
    @bluto212 10 лет назад +1

    This was wonderful, well done.

  • @wolken_bruch
    @wolken_bruch 8 лет назад +22

    you look MAJESTIC i n this video daaamn

    • @comic4relief
      @comic4relief 7 лет назад

      wolkenbruch It's​ in the editing.

  • @DrDreets
    @DrDreets 12 лет назад

    Great video, such high quality and clearly explained. I have my Cambridge maths interview on Tuesday - so nervous; thanks for calming me down with the beauty of maths, if only a bit.

  • @Leonar12345
    @Leonar12345 12 лет назад

    Cleaned up extremely well
    very enlightening. very inspirational

  • @richkretzschmar7170
    @richkretzschmar7170 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the proper pronunciation. Of note this 'Cate' prefix of the strongest Arch seems to apply to those of us who build linguistic structures with fonts. And for those in the Atomic professions... Catenation deals with the linking of particles.

  • @michaellaing1855
    @michaellaing1855 11 лет назад

    This man need his own television show, to be seen on the likes of bbc2 maybe? :) keep up the great work, sir.

  • @joeeeee8738
    @joeeeee8738 10 лет назад +5

    Love the way he says Bubbles

  • @andrew_ray
    @andrew_ray 12 лет назад

    This is very like a mini-documentary about math(s)! I would love to see more!

  • @andyhaslam5385
    @andyhaslam5385 12 лет назад

    Very nice. And production values are up, too. Good job all around.

  • @opless
    @opless 12 лет назад

    Agreed. This guy ought to be on TV!

  • @08veekay
    @08veekay 12 лет назад

    good job man this is like an epic movie.

  • @ObjCDev
    @ObjCDev 11 лет назад

    Hi James!! I just found your channel after a LONG time watching Numberphile, and I just wanted to say that your videos (here and the Numberphile ones with you in them) are totally cool, and your awesome! That's all... :)

  • @czapy911
    @czapy911 12 лет назад

    That was beautiful!

  • @ElGrecoOB
    @ElGrecoOB 12 лет назад

    I know your doing this channel besides your professional work and Brady is making videos for a living. But seeing this video it seems the other way round. Which shows you are truly into it, take it as a compliment ;-)

  • @sharev
    @sharev 12 лет назад

    Excellent, very Cool James!

  • @4mathieuj
    @4mathieuj 12 лет назад

    This was rather AWESOME

  • @sikhulilekhoza
    @sikhulilekhoza 5 лет назад

    such a simple and lovely presentation

  • @intilab
    @intilab 12 лет назад

    what a beautiful video, great work,

  • @MagdaRybak2009
    @MagdaRybak2009 12 лет назад

    Amazing production!!! Thank you so much James!!! That suit looks great on you! ;)

  • @SaraBeroff
    @SaraBeroff 9 лет назад +6

    I mostly watch this video because I love how he says "bubbles."

  • @singingbanana
    @singingbanana  11 лет назад

    Yes! Very cool.

  • @quagmire444
    @quagmire444 12 лет назад

    nature is so beautiful, *wipes away tears*

  • @momlulu66
    @momlulu66 12 лет назад

    Hi James, I just came here and subscribed to your channel after watching the last numberphile video you and brady made-the hang-out. I couldn't resisnt, you are an amazing person and I love your videos.

  • @Tom-sp3gy
    @Tom-sp3gy 3 года назад

    Brilliant presentation 👍 thanks a lot

  • @deezynar
    @deezynar 11 лет назад

    Every point along the chain is pulled by gravity while the chain resists being pulled apart. The chain links weigh the same, but those nearer the ends are carrying the weight of those below them which makes the curve straighter near the ends. I've not seen proof that the gothic cathedral designers modeled their structures on catenaries, but Spanish architect Antonio Gaudi did. There're photos of the inverted models he made using chains w/ weights to simulate point loads.

  • @nicholasvannieuwenhuyse9117
    @nicholasvannieuwenhuyse9117 11 лет назад

    You should get a show on tv! I would certainly watch it!

  • @Muchacholv
    @Muchacholv 12 лет назад

    Thanks for the suggestion! A very interesting piece to read.
    It's not that I have a problem with mathematics in particular, I actually am a physicist myself and I like mathematics very much. But I agree, that mostly people are scared of mathematics is because it is taught as some very abstract thing without any connection to a real world.

  • @trexinvert
    @trexinvert 10 лет назад

    Thanks this was inspiring. I'm a somewhat jaded mech engr and currently studying for the California Professional Engr's license. I just happen to be currently working for a amusement park/construction design company but before that I was always involved in mass production design processes where science is seldom used.

  • @khajiit92
    @khajiit92 12 лет назад

    oh man, you nailed the tv documentary style of walking around and talking.