The simplification of history given by Fr. Loop beginning around 36:00 reminds me of a book I highly recommend by Catholic historian William T. Cavanaugh titled "The Myth of Religious Violence." He points out that many of the so-called wars of religion were actually fought for several reasons in addition to religion, including economics, family ties, politics, and culture. He goes so far as to say that these wars cannot even meaningfully be called wars of religion given the complexities of causes. For instance, in one section of the book he gives a list of battles, skirmishes, conflicts, and alliances that involve Catholics vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics, Protestants vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics and Protestants, and Catholics and Protestants vs. Catholics and Protestants. The upshot of all this is that Locke, by attempting to solve the problem of religious violence by advocating a secular state, was actually missing the point of the problem itself, insofar as the problem of violence at the time was not exclusively or even predominantly religious.
A great suffering of our day is the inability to live in a Catholic state. Thank you for this presentation. I am thinking of several people I should share this with. Truth never gets old.
Beautifully presented...regarding the history of the Catholic Church. Has not always been pretty but the Truth of the True Faith has always prevailed. Our goal is to proclaim Christ is King of the Universe because He is the author of Life. Thank you Fr. Loop. -Laudetur Iesus Christus+
I don’t follow SSPX but have respect for them. No reason to attack followers of SSPX as I read the comment mention. With TLM being gradually banned who knows where some of us might have to go. Sadly I have no SSPX church near me
Thank you so much for this series. It is a great source of light and significantly assists in bringing in new souls to Tradition. Our priests are so knowledgeable and articulate. Oh Lord grant us priests, Oh Lord grant us holy priests, Oh Lord grant us many holy priests, Oh Lord grant us many holy religious vocations. Oh Lord grant us many holy Catholic families. Sancte Pie diceme... Ora pro nobis
With regard to the rites of the Jews and how we should tolerate them, I remember reading somewhere that a certain preacher agreed with what St. Thomas says about tolerating their rites, but with one exception, namely we should not tolerate a certain rite where the Nazarene sect is cursed. This was one of the so-called benedictions at the beginning of the medieval synagogue rite and the cursing of the Nazarene sect was, of course, a cursing of Christ and His church. This is the one thing according to this preacher (I wish I could remember his name - possibly also a Dominican) that should not be tolerated. Therefore a Catholic government would dictate to the Jews that they could indeed have a service, but must not say this curse in Hebrew or in any other language....Has Father Loop heard of this exception? Thank you for the program....It is extremely interesting....Stephan in Ottawa
I appreciate this series so much, but I have an uneasy feeling that one day the intro will say "This is episode 237 of our Crisis in the Church series".
Listening to this on 9-23-24 about two weeks after Pope Francis publicly stated his opinion that all religions can lead to God. Now I understand more how he came to this. Luckily his indifferentism doesn’t change church teaching. Sadly, it sure confuses people though 😢
Another fantastic episode. Thank you. Would it be correct to say that Maritain's adherence to Locke, and his influence of Pope Paul VI as well as other Council Fathers had an effect on the council?
Yes it would be correct to say that Maritain's adherence to Locke engendered his social heresy which influenced Chenu, one of the periti of VII. It would not be surprising if Paul VI was influenced too by Maritain because they were friends and their philosophies coincide.
@@chrisbernal5164 I think one of the Fathers in this podcast series said as much, that Paul VI himself credited Maritain with being his mentor. Hopefully my memory serves me right.
Of course it is. Without religious liberty, we wouldn't have legalized abortion. Nor a great many other legalized evils. Take divorce (not my wife), please.
There can be no *true* rights, that entitle people to refuse God what is due to him. Because rights are meaningless, if they are not reflections of the Right-eousness of God, from Whom all right is derived. God is the very Standard of all good, and all right & all truth. So no rights can be contrary to God. But the right to worship “other gods” is a right (so-called) to refuse God what is due to Him - it is a “right” to commit (spiritual) adultery.
I know my question is being posted rather late, but wouldn't Jesus's command to preach the Gospel to "all nations" refer to the Jewish definition of nation at that time as a people rather than citizens within a certain political and geographical boundary?
I wish Fr. Loop would define the word "public" in context. Do Protestants worship privately in their churches? Do they worship publicly when they preach on street corners or on the front lawns at their churches? Naturally, I agree with him, but "public" is a vague word. So it's hard to tell the difference between a public event and a private one.
Due to.the longstanding preference for monarchies....preferably Catholic monarchies....and so called Catholic confessional states, what Fr. is talking about is that there is no "religious liberty" to choose a faith in error. Now, to tell me that religious liberty is a grater affront to God than abortion is....is too much. Christ himself said Render into Caesar what is Caesar's and that His kingdom us not of this world. The Catholic Church was never meant to be an all encompassing ideology like Islam and just because some past Popes believed it is doesn't make them right. God gave every man free will to choose to follow Christ. Man is not compelled by God to follow Christ.
Fr is referring to the fact that the Church cannot in good faith grant you the liberty to choose a false religion. The Church' s objective, is to categorically present you with the unadulterated true faith, then you decide for yourself. What religious liberty implies is the Church condones all these other false religions without saying anything about it. In effect, She has no authority to teach anyone anymore about the True faith. So it's not about the person's free will, but rather the Church having a positive influence on a person's will in guiding a soul home.
Religious liberty is an attack on God, who is worthier of respect God who created everything or any of his creatures? If you honestly believe God is objective truth and objective good, then it follows that you'd think the world would be objective better if laws conformed to his Divine Law, and that can only happen in a country where most people are catholics
@@queenbgael2608 he says more than that. He says the church should seek to suppress other faiths public practice. That’s the problem. If he was only saying that that church taught that other false faiths were in error and they are in no way condoning them I don’t think anyone would have a problem. But seeking to band other religions even if they are not true… that’s scary stuff and historically leads to torture and death. You’ve heard of The Inquisition I’m sure. Not to be taken lightly, this kind of thinking.
“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.” ― St. Antony the Great
The simplification of history given by Fr. Loop beginning around 36:00 reminds me of a book I highly recommend by Catholic historian William T. Cavanaugh titled "The Myth of Religious Violence." He points out that many of the so-called wars of religion were actually fought for several reasons in addition to religion, including economics, family ties, politics, and culture. He goes so far as to say that these wars cannot even meaningfully be called wars of religion given the complexities of causes. For instance, in one section of the book he gives a list of battles, skirmishes, conflicts, and alliances that involve Catholics vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics, Protestants vs. Protestants, Catholics vs. Catholics and Protestants, and Catholics and Protestants vs. Catholics and Protestants. The upshot of all this is that Locke, by attempting to solve the problem of religious violence by advocating a secular state, was actually missing the point of the problem itself, insofar as the problem of violence at the time was not exclusively or even predominantly religious.
A great suffering of our day is the inability to live in a Catholic state. Thank you for this presentation. I am thinking of several people I should share this with. Truth never gets old.
Beautifully presented...regarding the history of the Catholic Church. Has not always been pretty but the Truth of the True Faith has always prevailed. Our goal is to proclaim Christ is King of the Universe because He is the author of Life. Thank you Fr. Loop. -Laudetur Iesus Christus+
Another great episode! God bless Fr. Loop and SSPX.
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen.
Thank you, Father
I don’t follow SSPX but have respect for them. No reason to attack followers of SSPX as I read the comment mention. With TLM being gradually banned who knows where some of us might have to go. Sadly I have no SSPX church near me
Thank you so much for this series. It is a great source of light and significantly assists in bringing in new souls to Tradition. Our priests are so knowledgeable and articulate.
Oh Lord grant us priests,
Oh Lord grant us holy priests,
Oh Lord grant us many holy priests,
Oh Lord grant us many holy religious vocations.
Oh Lord grant us many holy Catholic families.
Sancte Pie diceme... Ora pro nobis
I appreciate these talks so very much ! Praying for our holy priests .
Thank you so much for all your work! Deo gratias! May God bless you!
The title was quite shocking to me, so I clicked it.
I am at the beginning of the video. I am intrigued.
Excellent! Thank you
Gabriel García Moreno....the perfect Example of the Catholic State
In the second vatican council, are five objectionable decrees. Ecumenism, Nostra Aetate, Gaudeum et Spes, Religious LIberty, Collegiality.
With regard to the rites of the Jews and how we should tolerate them, I remember reading somewhere that a certain preacher agreed with what St. Thomas says about tolerating their rites, but with one exception, namely we should not tolerate a certain rite where the Nazarene sect is cursed. This was one of the so-called benedictions at the beginning of the medieval synagogue rite and the cursing of the Nazarene sect was, of course, a cursing of Christ and His church. This is the one thing according to this preacher (I wish I could remember his name - possibly also a Dominican) that should not be tolerated. Therefore a Catholic government would dictate to the Jews that they could indeed have a service, but must not say this curse in Hebrew or in any other language....Has Father Loop heard of this exception? Thank you for the program....It is extremely interesting....Stephan in Ottawa
"Dignitatis Humanæ" is irreconcilable with the Catholic faith.
Thank you
I appreciate this series so much, but I have an uneasy feeling that one day the intro will say "This is episode 237 of our Crisis in the Church series".
Listening to this on 9-23-24 about two weeks after Pope Francis publicly stated his opinion that all religions can lead to God. Now I understand more how he came to this. Luckily his indifferentism doesn’t change church teaching. Sadly, it sure confuses people though 😢
Another fantastic episode. Thank you. Would it be correct to say that Maritain's adherence to Locke, and his influence of Pope Paul VI as well as other Council Fathers had an effect on the council?
Yes it would be correct to say that Maritain's adherence to Locke engendered his social heresy which influenced Chenu, one of the periti of VII. It would not be surprising if Paul VI was influenced too by Maritain because they were friends and their philosophies coincide.
@@chrisbernal5164 I think one of the Fathers in this podcast series said as much, that Paul VI himself credited Maritain with being his mentor. Hopefully my memory serves me right.
You are so right! What can be do now?
Seems like it ends up that, everything is allowed except Worship of God, in "religious liberty."
Of course it is. Without religious liberty, we wouldn't have legalized abortion. Nor a great many other legalized evils. Take divorce (not my wife), please.
I've always read that sspx were schismatics but now I'm not so sure
You should watch the documentary on Abp. Lefebvre's life. You can find it on the SSPX RUclips channel.
Robert. Listening to this long series makes me realize how SSPX is orthodox. The enemies of the Church might be your local parish. Look for tradition.
There can be no *true* rights, that entitle people to refuse God what is due to him. Because rights are meaningless, if they are not reflections of the Right-eousness of God, from Whom all right is derived. God is the very Standard of all good, and all right & all truth. So no rights can be contrary to God.
But the right to worship “other gods” is a right (so-called) to refuse God what is due to Him - it is a “right” to commit (spiritual) adultery.
I know my question is being posted rather late, but wouldn't Jesus's command to preach the Gospel to "all nations" refer to the Jewish definition of nation at that time as a people rather than citizens within a certain political and geographical boundary?
I wish Fr. Loop would define the word "public" in context. Do Protestants worship privately in their churches? Do they worship publicly when they preach on street corners or on the front lawns at their churches? Naturally, I agree with him, but "public" is a vague word. So it's hard to tell the difference between a public event and a private one.
Due to.the longstanding preference for monarchies....preferably Catholic monarchies....and so called Catholic confessional states, what Fr. is talking about is that there is no "religious liberty" to choose a faith in error.
Now, to tell me that religious liberty is a grater affront to God than abortion is....is too much.
Christ himself said Render into Caesar what is Caesar's and that His kingdom us not of this world.
The Catholic Church was never meant to be an all encompassing ideology like Islam and just because some past Popes believed it is doesn't make them right.
God gave every man free will to choose to follow Christ. Man is not compelled by God to follow Christ.
Fr is referring to the fact that the Church cannot in good faith grant you the liberty to choose a false religion. The Church' s objective, is to categorically present you with the unadulterated true faith, then you decide for yourself. What religious liberty implies is the Church condones all these other false religions without saying anything about it. In effect, She has no authority to teach anyone anymore about the True faith. So it's not about the person's free will, but rather the Church having a positive influence on a person's will in guiding a soul home.
Religious liberty is an attack on God, who is worthier of respect God who created everything or any of his creatures?
If you honestly believe God is objective truth and objective good, then it follows that you'd think the world would be objective better if laws conformed to his Divine Law, and that can only happen in a country where most people are catholics
@@queenbgael2608 he says more than that. He says the church should seek to suppress other faiths public practice. That’s the problem. If he was only saying that that church taught that other false faiths were in error and they are in no way condoning them I don’t think anyone would have a problem. But seeking to band other religions even if they are not true… that’s scary stuff and historically leads to torture and death. You’ve heard of The Inquisition I’m sure. Not to be taken lightly, this kind of thinking.
lohn jocke
No
Yes
Wow yt is fact checking your ideas, lol. Patgetic.
Not sure who gets to decide what we believe but as an EO I doubt I want SSPX to!
EO?
SSPX attracts some cray cray
Translation: Boomer Richard doesn’t like seeing his wretched Hippie Council (V2) going down.
Not anymore than other churches. Novus Ordo is literally crazy
What's wrong with what is said in this video?
“A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, 'You are mad; you are not like us.”
― St. Antony the Great
no they don't