I bought this on release day and didn't realise there's been some anticipation on the release of this. It's brilliant considering its price point. I look forward to seeing your manual update! There are so many great devs around the world who don't necessarily have English as a first language, I'm not being patronising either!
Sounds good!!! Good job! Wear & tear is so vital, it puts some life into the bird! (Even if I don't have the Premium but standard version) I only fly the GA C310R payware addon that has Wear & Tear ... if I had the C172 Skyhawk in my hangar I would go for the enhancement without any hesitation after watching this video!!! Hope you will provide the same for the JF PA-28!!! ;-)
This is exactly the sort of update that I have been waiting for since MSFS was released. Currently I have been using the game pass version of MSFS. Guess I now have to bite the bullet and actually purchase the software. Time to start looking at my budgets etc. Great video by the way.
@@howardforder4481 Turns out, I was working on a more complete manual for it and now it's out on this latest update. You will find it in the aircraft folder in the documentation folder.
Great Video! I really enjoyed your commentary and very easy to listen to and learn from. I have noticed that spark plug fouling seems to happen really quickly. I have taxied from parking and performed mag checks with full rich and just in that time it fouled the plugs. In my real world experience in a C-172 I don't remember spark plug fouling happening that quickly. But then again it's been 2 years since I've flown so maybe I'm wrong.
Hi Kelly, thanks for your comments. I do know there is a new update I was just testing and it no longer has fouling on the menu of the ADF. Apparently, too many people were watching that screen a lot. Fouling still happens, but just a loss of performance as in real life. I hope the new update addresses your concerns about how quickly it happens. The developers are watching comments on this channel closely. Thank you.
I was going over the Cessna 172S Checklist, and noticed in the BEFORE STARTING ENGINE section there is no entry to turn on the Beacon Light. The entry is actually (11.Navigation Lights and Flashing Beacon - ON as required), after the engine is started. I have always been taught to turn on the Beacon before Engine start to notify everyone that startup will be taking place.
Hands down the best sim channel for MSFS in regards to realism/study level flying. Just using Xplane, but this new airplane would make me consider doing the transition to MSFS, BUT: How is the aircraft performance for stalls, spins, level flight, Vx/Vy ... and all the other important metrics? Similar to POH and real flying (was flying a C42 long ago)? Let me know and thnx for this new channel!!!
Hi Florian. Thanks for your comment. I have over 2,000 online students learning to fly with a simulator in all versions. Many of them have been waiting for Microsoft to make MSFS flight dynamics and cockpit realism similar to the sim they are flying. That is happening now with this enhancement. Apart from all the avionics, electrics and device updates I show here, there are flight dynamics updates too that won't fully be evident until update 10 comes out in a week from now. (this is August 27th). Stalls work as they should, spins behave as a 172 should and this enhancement gives us "study-level" and that is an endorsement by many of my students. They have to go to the POH to figure things out. The developers used the POH to make the mod. Each real manual for each electronic device was used to make this mod. This is study level and real flight students are loving it.
@Florian Stephan Since you are already using Xplane, why not just get AirFoilLabs Cessna 172 NG Digital? It blows everything out of the water! I'm thinking of switching to Xplane just for that single addon.
I like how you quickly go to an exterior view when you actually start the engine in order to hide the fact that startup is not realistic. ;) You'll do well in the MSFS2020 aftermarket.
That's not very nice. Not true and what would such a comment accomplish. Look at all that is good in this product and how it has improved the plane ten-fold. Or just leave it alone and move on. I am going to trust that this was some comment in jest and not your real thoughts. I fly real 172s since the 90s and I endorse this plane mod. Period. I hope I have presented it well in this space for others to discover.
@@ForderLearnToFly Dude, you're not 'presenting' a darn thing - this is basically just an advertisement video for Justflight (you even specifically included a link to purchase the product). May we assume Justflight paid you to make this for them? Or perhaps gave you free software in return for an endorsement video? And the engine start sequence with this product is completely unrealistic - the priming routine is fake because the engine cannot be started with the mixture in cutoff position like the real 172. The developer has made it so the engine starts in the 1/4 mixture position and pretends that priming the engine actually works. Stupid. I would counsel everyone to wait until A2A Simulations releases their Comanche 250 for MSFS2020 soon as it will correctly model all instrumentation and engine behavior to an even higher degree of fidelity. Also, A2A won't require that MSFS2020 Premium versions be used with their product as Justflight is requiring for use with the mod being advertised in this video (this tactic alone is very shady). Have a nice day, but please just be HONEST about your intentions.
@@tripodcatz5532 Sorry for your discontent and what you believe. We can leave it at that. No, Justflight didn't pay me and either did anyone else. I said honestly what my intentions where and I endorse this product because it is what my online flying students needed to move over to MSFS: a realistic 172 that works as the manuals say. No need to debate this any further. I am not here to prove anything and I have been completely honest. I also rewrote their manual for them for free, as my contribution to their project. You don't have to use it. I hope you find peace.
So let’s say I got proficient with this plane and addon in MSFS along with Vatsim .. and along with my old Saitek Cessna yoke, rudders, trim wheel, and TPM throttle .. say 100 hours .. and I decide I want to take real flying lessons at Sunrise Aviation at KSNA who use 172’s both G1000’s and six pack versions with 530’s .. how much further ahead would I be when I start my lessons compared to the guy who’s never used MSFS? I liked and subscribed .. thanks! 👍
Hi Chris and thanks for your feedback. This is a very good question that many have asked me for 30 years of real and simulated flying. I did exactly that. Every lesson in a real plane resulted in me going home and doing the same lesson in the simulator. As long as you are practicing the right things. Don't just do all the flying in the sim first and then take lessons. Do them together and only practice what you learned that day in a real plane. Then you will accelerate. Of the 18 fellow ground school students that started when I did, I got my PPL in 1/2 the time that they did and a lot less cost. You still have to do the 40 (or 45) hours of ground school, still write an exam and still do 45 hours of flying time. But most people take more than that. 60 or 80 hours before they finally get their PPL. So doing my method keeps you fresh on procedures, repetitive learning, exposure to radio work (Vatsim), I use PilotEdge. My instructor classed me as an accelerated student. But I was no smarter than the next guy. I simply practiced at home and kept the skills in check. Yes, flying at home can help, as long as you are practicing what you learn in real lessons.
This is VERY nice work! Beautifully done! I couldn't tell from the video, if I am using an online ATC program such as PilotEdge, can I listen AND transmit on both COM1 and COM2 with this Cessna?
Yes you can so the sound test as PilotEdge expects. You could with stock Asobo too so this mod didn't change that. For those reading this and haven't used PilotEdge, you dial in 123.45 on both com1 and com2 and then push your mic button to test. You hear (a slight echo) of your voice as it actually transmits out com1 and receives back on com2. We call it the 5 finger pilot to pilot frequency and it works great.
I should have included that in the manual. Because of the limitations of the sim so far, you just click on the message to fix it. Once they open more of the sim to devs in U10 and 11, they can animate a fix. For example, click on your low oil level message in yellow or red and it goes green and tops up your oil. They hope in later versions you can flip the dipstick cover and animate oil being added. Fouling message has to be fixed by high revs and leaning the mixture, as in real life.
I am not the dev, but it sounds like the GNS 530 add-on, mentioned in the installation section of the manual. I will ping the devs on the WB-Sim discord server and see what they have to say. Come back here if either one of us has any luck.
Hi Bob. I don't plan on it as I have two MSFS systems now. One with a full G1000 PFD/MFD from FlightSimBuilder and my second sim setup is a full blown FlightVelocity panel with Saitek panels and flight instrument panels. Very elaborate and so much fun to fly. The Air Manager setup is used by many on my twitch channel and there are cockpit photos and comments on my discord channel. (there is a video here on my channel about the FlightVelocity panel setup).
hi hunkyaz, thanks for your comment. This mod doesn't update the dynamics. Microsoft handles that (or Asobo) and they have improved that immensely since update 8. As this sim has constant attention and a team of devs to improve it, you will see more refinement over the months ahead too. With update 10 days away as of this writing, this mod takes advantage of some of those improvements too.
@@ForderLearnToFly yes I did find the pms folder, before I posted this question, but I didn't find a file with data at the end of the file name unfortunately.
Yes, from page 16 in the manual: When you first power up your plane, the standard pressure (North America is flashing on this unit until you press the BARO button (far right on the unit). If you long-press the BARO button, it will change to HPA. Use the inner/outer dial to set the barometric pressure here anytime you adjust it on your Altimeter.
The fuel does not explode .... it is a flame propagation or burn ... an explosion will have you in the weeds looking for the engine head ...or pieces of it lol ... not being mean .... 45 years an auto technician
Thanks Tim. Note taken. I remember my brother (as a mechanic) explaining to me the four phases.... suck, squeeze, bang, blow and I assumed the bang was the explosion. I appreciate the clarification.
This isn't a study level enhancement, not even close. It still uses the default flight model, its basically an instrument upgrade with basic wear 'n tear. No ability to do preflight checks, and engine flooding doesn't seem to be accurately modelled (engine starts are way too easy). I'm really hoping A2A re-release their Cessna's and I'd really love to see AirfoilLabs port their Xplane C-172 NG to MSFS.
This mod makes all the electrical and instruments exactly like the manuals say they should work so a real-life student pilot can practice their flight lessons in MSFS. It is a mod of the Asobo airplanes. It does not alter the flight dynamics.
@@howardforder4481 As an update Mike, the new version 1.0.4 since I made this video does have flight dynamics changes. Although some of that is evident in the sim current state, you will see more of it shine in U10 which happens in a week or so now. Stalls work as they should, spins as we expect from this plane. You will be pleased with the flight dynamics changes.
I have and so have many serious simmers who are also real pilots. I love the A2A products. You own the plane. But remember they build their planes from the ground up. This is a mod to the stock Asobo planes. So we can't flip the cowl cover and check the dipstick oil level. The developers of this mod could easily end up working for A2A with their knowledge, insight and skills.
@@stevesumner9988 I hope so too. They make quality products and MSFS has millions of users. There is certainly a market. I don't work with A2A but will contact them to see what they can share. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.
Unfortunately, no. With Xbox, you can only buy "Marketplace" add-ons in the sim. Xbox is a closed system and an inexpensive entry into MSFS. Approximately $500 for an Xbox vs ~$2000 and up for a PC. But a PC has a world of free and payware add-ons available.
As an update: I have asked the devs about xbox and this is xbox ready. Once Update 10 is out for the sim, JustFlight will probably flip it to the marketplace for the xbox. Once I hear a definite date, I will come back here and post it. Thanks for your question.
A new version just announced by JustFlight and the devs. I spruced up the manual with a complete rewrite as my labor of love to the project.
It was so fun demoing this thing! I look forward to many hours flying it.
I bought this on release day and didn't realise there's been some anticipation on the release of this. It's brilliant considering its price point. I look forward to seeing your manual update! There are so many great devs around the world who don't necessarily have English as a first language, I'm not being patronising either!
You have the gift of a epic instructor ... enjoyed every second !!
Great comprehensive video going through both the whys and whats, thanks!
Thanks for giving this such a deep review. This is much closer to the 172s we have at my local FBO. Definitely going to pick this up.
You guys need to do this with Carenado aircraft and other default planes, like the TBM930 etc - brilliant stuff!
Sounds good!!! Good job! Wear & tear is so vital, it puts some life into the bird! (Even if I don't have the Premium but standard version) I only fly the GA C310R payware addon that has Wear & Tear ... if I had the C172 Skyhawk in my hangar I would go for the enhancement without any hesitation after watching this video!!! Hope you will provide the same for the JF PA-28!!! ;-)
This is exactly the sort of update that I have been waiting for since MSFS was released. Currently I have been using the game pass version of MSFS. Guess I now have to bite the bullet and actually purchase the software. Time to start looking at my budgets etc. Great video by the way.
Looking forward to checking this out :)
They are working on a more elaborate manual to go with it. Thanks for your comment on my video.
@@howardforder4481 Turns out, I was working on a more complete manual for it and now it's out on this latest update. You will find it in the aircraft folder in the documentation folder.
great stuff Howard awesome
Great Video! I really enjoyed your commentary and very easy to listen to and learn from. I have noticed that spark plug fouling seems to happen really quickly. I have taxied from parking and performed mag checks with full rich and just in that time it fouled the plugs. In my real world experience in a C-172 I don't remember spark plug fouling happening that quickly. But then again it's been 2 years since I've flown so maybe I'm wrong.
Hi Kelly, thanks for your comments. I do know there is a new update I was just testing and it no longer has fouling on the menu of the ADF. Apparently, too many people were watching that screen a lot. Fouling still happens, but just a loss of performance as in real life. I hope the new update addresses your concerns about how quickly it happens. The developers are watching comments on this channel closely. Thank you.
I was going over the Cessna 172S Checklist, and noticed in the BEFORE STARTING ENGINE section there is no entry to turn on the Beacon Light. The entry is actually (11.Navigation Lights and Flashing Beacon - ON as required), after the engine is started. I have always been taught to turn on the Beacon before Engine start to notify everyone that startup will be taking place.
Thank you!
nice ball cap buddy!
Hands down the best sim channel for MSFS in regards to realism/study level flying. Just using Xplane, but this new airplane would make me consider doing the transition to MSFS, BUT: How is the aircraft performance for stalls, spins, level flight, Vx/Vy ... and all the other important metrics? Similar to POH and real flying (was flying a C42 long ago)? Let me know and thnx for this new channel!!!
Hi Florian. Thanks for your comment. I have over 2,000 online students learning to fly with a simulator in all versions. Many of them have been waiting for Microsoft to make MSFS flight dynamics and cockpit realism similar to the sim they are flying. That is happening now with this enhancement. Apart from all the avionics, electrics and device updates I show here, there are flight dynamics updates too that won't fully be evident until update 10 comes out in a week from now. (this is August 27th). Stalls work as they should, spins behave as a 172 should and this enhancement gives us "study-level" and that is an endorsement by many of my students. They have to go to the POH to figure things out. The developers used the POH to make the mod. Each real manual for each electronic device was used to make this mod. This is study level and real flight students are loving it.
@Florian Stephan
Since you are already using Xplane, why not just get AirFoilLabs Cessna 172 NG Digital?
It blows everything out of the water!
I'm thinking of switching to Xplane just for that single addon.
I hope they fix that front strut, the 172 looks so noseheavy and I cant imagine this strut being of any use if there is no suspension travel.
I like how you quickly go to an exterior view when you actually start the engine in order to hide the fact that startup is not realistic. ;) You'll do well in the MSFS2020 aftermarket.
That's not very nice. Not true and what would such a comment accomplish. Look at all that is good in this product and how it has improved the plane ten-fold. Or just leave it alone and move on. I am going to trust that this was some comment in jest and not your real thoughts. I fly real 172s since the 90s and I endorse this plane mod. Period. I hope I have presented it well in this space for others to discover.
@@ForderLearnToFly Dude, you're not 'presenting' a darn thing - this is basically just an advertisement video for Justflight (you even specifically included a link to purchase the product). May we assume Justflight paid you to make this for them? Or perhaps gave you free software in return for an endorsement video? And the engine start sequence with this product is completely unrealistic - the priming routine is fake because the engine cannot be started with the mixture in cutoff position like the real 172. The developer has made it so the engine starts in the 1/4 mixture position and pretends that priming the engine actually works. Stupid.
I would counsel everyone to wait until A2A Simulations releases their Comanche 250 for MSFS2020 soon as it will correctly model all instrumentation and engine behavior to an even higher degree of fidelity. Also, A2A won't require that MSFS2020 Premium versions be used with their product as Justflight is requiring for use with the mod being advertised in this video (this tactic alone is very shady).
Have a nice day, but please just be HONEST about your intentions.
@@tripodcatz5532 Sorry for your discontent and what you believe. We can leave it at that. No, Justflight didn't pay me and either did anyone else. I said honestly what my intentions where and I endorse this product because it is what my online flying students needed to move over to MSFS: a realistic 172 that works as the manuals say. No need to debate this any further. I am not here to prove anything and I have been completely honest. I also rewrote their manual for them for free, as my contribution to their project. You don't have to use it. I hope you find peace.
@@FlatOutMatt You obviously weren't around when my mom caught me porn surfing last week.
So let’s say I got proficient with this plane and addon in MSFS along with Vatsim .. and along with my old Saitek Cessna yoke, rudders, trim wheel, and TPM throttle .. say 100 hours .. and I decide I want to take real flying lessons at Sunrise Aviation at KSNA who use 172’s both G1000’s and six pack versions with 530’s .. how much further ahead would I be when I start my lessons compared to the guy who’s never used MSFS? I liked and subscribed .. thanks! 👍
Hi Chris and thanks for your feedback. This is a very good question that many have asked me for 30 years of real and simulated flying. I did exactly that. Every lesson in a real plane resulted in me going home and doing the same lesson in the simulator. As long as you are practicing the right things. Don't just do all the flying in the sim first and then take lessons. Do them together and only practice what you learned that day in a real plane. Then you will accelerate. Of the 18 fellow ground school students that started when I did, I got my PPL in 1/2 the time that they did and a lot less cost. You still have to do the 40 (or 45) hours of ground school, still write an exam and still do 45 hours of flying time. But most people take more than that. 60 or 80 hours before they finally get their PPL. So doing my method keeps you fresh on procedures, repetitive learning, exposure to radio work (Vatsim), I use PilotEdge.
My instructor classed me as an accelerated student. But I was no smarter than the next guy. I simply practiced at home and kept the skills in check. Yes, flying at home can help, as long as you are practicing what you learn in real lessons.
@@ForderLearnToFly Thanks for the feedback my friend 👍 I’ve enjoyed your videos so far and like your easy going style. Be safe.
Chris
This is VERY nice work! Beautifully done! I couldn't tell from the video, if I am using an online ATC program such as PilotEdge, can I listen AND transmit on both COM1 and COM2 with this Cessna?
Yes you can so the sound test as PilotEdge expects. You could with stock Asobo too so this mod didn't change that. For those reading this and haven't used PilotEdge, you dial in 123.45 on both com1 and com2 and then push your mic button to test. You hear (a slight echo) of your voice as it actually transmits out com1 and receives back on com2. We call it the 5 finger pilot to pilot frequency and it works great.
Dose it work with Xbox ?
How do you perform necessary maintenance? We have seen what failures to expect, but how to fix.
I should have included that in the manual. Because of the limitations of the sim so far, you just click on the message to fix it. Once they open more of the sim to devs in U10 and 11, they can animate a fix. For example, click on your low oil level message in yellow or red and it goes green and tops up your oil. They hope in later versions you can flip the dipstick cover and animate oil being added. Fouling message has to be fixed by high revs and leaning the mixture, as in real life.
Nice work. In my sim (I have this add on) my 530 has just gone inop. All breakers are in, but still can’t get the 530 to startup. Any tips?
I am not the dev, but it sounds like the GNS 530 add-on, mentioned in the installation section of the manual. I will ping the devs on the WB-Sim discord server and see what they have to say. Come back here if either one of us has any luck.
@@ForderLearnToFly thanks for that. Much appreciated 👍
Are you going to build an Air Manager layout to use with MSFS?
Hi Bob. I don't plan on it as I have two MSFS systems now. One with a full G1000 PFD/MFD from FlightSimBuilder and my second sim setup is a full blown FlightVelocity panel with Saitek panels and flight instrument panels. Very elaborate and so much fun to fly. The Air Manager setup is used by many on my twitch channel and there are cockpit photos and comments on my discord channel. (there is a video here on my channel about the FlightVelocity panel setup).
How are the flight dynamics in this airplane? Better than the on in MSFS I hope.
hi hunkyaz, thanks for your comment. This mod doesn't update the dynamics. Microsoft handles that (or Asobo) and they have improved that immensely since update 8. As this sim has constant attention and a team of devs to improve it, you will see more refinement over the months ahead too. With update 10 days away as of this writing, this mod takes advantage of some of those improvements too.
@@ForderLearnToFly Thank you. I am having difficulty dialing in the control. I will keep trying.
I'm trying to locate the pms folder that needs its name changing as I have that mod but I can't find it, where do I need to look please ?
It should be in your community folder (search for pms). If it isn't there, you don't have it.
@@ForderLearnToFly yes I did find the pms folder, before I posted this question, but I didn't find a file with data at the end of the file name unfortunately.
My bad I was looking in the pms 750 folder
I fly in the US is there a way to change it from Hpa to Inches of mercury for Baro?
Yes, from page 16 in the manual: When you first power up your plane, the standard pressure (North America is flashing on this unit until you press the BARO button (far right on the unit). If you long-press the BARO button, it will change to HPA. Use the inner/outer dial to set the barometric pressure here anytime you adjust it on your Altimeter.
@@howardforder4481 thanks must have missed it in the manual
The fuel does not explode .... it is a flame propagation or burn ... an explosion will have you in the weeds looking for the engine head ...or pieces of it lol ... not being mean .... 45 years an auto technician
Thanks Tim. Note taken. I remember my brother (as a mechanic) explaining to me the four phases.... suck, squeeze, bang, blow and I assumed the bang was the explosion. I appreciate the clarification.
This isn't a study level enhancement, not even close.
It still uses the default flight model, its basically an instrument upgrade with basic wear 'n tear.
No ability to do preflight checks, and engine flooding doesn't seem to be accurately modelled (engine starts are way too easy).
I'm really hoping A2A re-release their Cessna's and I'd really love to see AirfoilLabs port their Xplane C-172 NG to MSFS.
I assume there is not change to the flight dynamics?
This mod makes all the electrical and instruments exactly like the manuals say they should work so a real-life student pilot can practice their flight lessons in MSFS. It is a mod of the Asobo airplanes. It does not alter the flight dynamics.
@@howardforder4481 As an update Mike, the new version 1.0.4 since I made this video does have flight dynamics changes. Although some of that is evident in the sim current state, you will see more of it shine in U10 which happens in a week or so now. Stalls work as they should, spins as we expect from this plane. You will be pleased with the flight dynamics changes.
I assume you have flown the A2A 172. How do they compare?
I have and so have many serious simmers who are also real pilots. I love the A2A products. You own the plane. But remember they build their planes from the ground up. This is a mod to the stock Asobo planes. So we can't flip the cowl cover and check the dipstick oil level. The developers of this mod could easily end up working for A2A with their knowledge, insight and skills.
@@howardforder4481 In your opinion, you think A2A will develop the 172,and 182 for MSFS? Really hope so.
@@stevesumner9988 I hope so too. They make quality products and MSFS has millions of users. There is certainly a market. I don't work with A2A but will contact them to see what they can share. Thanks for sharing your thoughts here.
Is it for xbox too?
Unfortunately, no. With Xbox, you can only buy "Marketplace" add-ons in the sim. Xbox is a closed system and an inexpensive entry into MSFS. Approximately $500 for an Xbox vs ~$2000 and up for a PC. But a PC has a world of free and payware add-ons available.
As an update: I have asked the devs about xbox and this is xbox ready. Once Update 10 is out for the sim, JustFlight will probably flip it to the marketplace for the xbox. Once I hear a definite date, I will come back here and post it. Thanks for your question.
@@ForderLearnToFly thx for answering