@BeDuckie1 The NF-P12s are great for static pressure, which has been proven again and again! The P stands for pressure! They're low noise fans, so they will not perform GREAT, but I wouldn't even let the fans that most people consider "good" near my test bench due to the noise. P12's are a great balance between pressure and noise.
@Woofers11 Oh and for Vesta systems, it's much safer for shipping than the only heatsinks that outperform it (NH-D14, Cogage Arrow, etc) due to its more compact size and the fact that it bolts to the case instead of to the motherboard. There's a method to my madness, folks ;)
@BloodlessSalvation The H100 runs 5'C cooler at medium fan/pump settings and around 7-10'C cooler on max. This is with 4 fans in a push pull, not the stock 2 fans that comes with the H100.
the way you have that mounted make me feel like you didnt give the h70 a good enough chance. it should have been mounted vertically for better performance.
The fan on the H70 is partially blocked when you put it that way, and I think the gap will be closer when you do the test on a closed case. The point of H70 is to exhaust heat away quickly from the case, not into the case like most air cooler.
Linus,I think the fans you used for the h70 are not adequate for a push & pull through radiators. You need to use the spiraled ones, I think they are the p-12's, that are made for push & pull configurations for radiators. I've tried a 2600k @ 4.7 and it tops at 81° with 21° room temp.
@ZeoVII 120 facing towards the back is the best, because the 120 is pulling air away from the towers so having it facing the back would let the air escape the case quickly.
@esdymo whats your budget for a graphics card? coz for a little extra cash I'd personally go for the 5770... better card, my dad has it and it plays all his Total war games on full graphics, it plays ArmA 2 on pretty high settings at an average of 31FPS and Crisis runs nicely on it. The 6570 like @orkie55 said isn't a great card for the games your trying to run. I personally have a Gigabyte SOC 560 which is an awesome card if your prepared to spend a little more. Great value for money tho
@Eclipezz the H70 was not installed properly. I have extensively tested the H70 and it performs much much better than this experiment even with stock fans at default speeds in push-pull intake. it most likely crashed due to a bad overclock. ie: voltage too low. could also be bad DRAM voltage and memory caused it.
@DoomTra1n Those weren't stock fans on the H70. He used the same fans on both coolers to eliminate any differences the fans might make. It's the fairest way of testing the coolers themselves as one can always change the fans.
Is this really a fair comparison? I see that when he tested the Noctua the cooler is mounted as is should be with clear air flow. When he tested the H70 the rad and fans were hanging off the edge of the test station with the air flow at least partially blocked. I know those test stations do not lend themselves to correct mounting of this type of liquid cooling but seems like it may have skewed the results a bit.
I find the NH-D14 to be gorgeous and it is as you stated a top league cooling device. But my question is if it is higher or wider than the NH-U12P, because that is my current cooler, but in order to fit in my dominators I had to remove the pull in fan. Would this be a problem? My MB is a GA-P55A-UD3 if that would matter. Cheers.
It depends on the motherboard(how close the RAM slots are to the cpu and if you can run dual channel effectively on the 2nd and 4th slots) as well as if you plan on using both fans on the noctua. Most likely, the overly tall heat-spreaders on the RAM will get in the way of the heat-sink so if you want to use Vengeance RAM with a NH-D14, i suggest using the low profile RAM cards
@rock962000 I can't wait to build my future system and water cool and do the building itself. But between the H70 and the Noctua, I'd probably get the air cooler. I'd go for water cooling for noise and cooling, and it lost in atleast one category.
@AndrixGamer not only is it hanging down with one of the fans blocked (totally restricting air flow), but the TIM application is most likely off as well. he should have done multiple tests with multiple TIM applications to make sure each was installed properly and the CPU was transferring heat just as well. good observation.
@KutaPuta The Corsair blow hot air into the case because it cools the radiator with the cool air from outside rather than the hot air inside the case. If your case haw proper air flow the hot air coming through the radiator shouldn't be a problem. I agree with what you say about the Noctua. While it leaves space for RAM if you want to install/remove RAM you have to remove the heatsink and if you don't have a well designed case that could also mean removing the mobo + components all together.
Yeah, comes down to preference. Also the D14 can block your RAM slots so make sure it will fit in your case if you go with that. H100 is easier to install but your case need 2 120mm fan slots on top.
I'd like to point out that the H70's coldplate base isn't completely flat. It loses surface compression at the middle, giving it tiny sliver of a pocket of space between the CPU and the coldplate. It's inherent in both the H50 and the H70. Corsair does encourage you to LAP your H50/H70 without voiding your warranty. I've done it and it HAS shaved off temps by at least 10c.
@Sajmoon37 I know you're 15 and all, and you want to sound cool, but the h70 I have is running at 700 RPM. it's total silence. You can't compare that to a stock fan at 50%.
You are correct in saying that silver conducts heat the most when compared to the metals you have mentioned. However, if you compare silver to copper, copper is only a tad bit less efficient for carrying heat. This is where the engineers come in to design heat sinks. For the consumer, copper is not only less susceptible to corrosion than silver, but much cheaper than silver. Because of only a slight performance difference from silver, copper is a better choice.
@Dantakurasaki those fans wont do anything on the thick closed fins of the h70, u need some high static pressure fans to do a decent job. as for performance some people may be looking for coolers that offer more than just performance, they might prefer the look and minimalistic design of the h70, i know i rather have the h70 over that gamecube on my CPU.
@nikanj absolutely not. prime runs multiple instances within itself to load all cores. you do NOT want to load more than one prime95 at a time. that my friend, is a bad idea!
@bullsnake505 5ghz is no problem with a 2500k on water. custom loop is always better than something like a h100 but ek products are troublesome. gpu cooling can be included in the waterloop if your so inclinded otherwise stock gpu cooling will be sufficent, any changes you make from there will give marginal gains anyway, watercooling a gpu is more for noise reduction. there are people using corsair H series also on there gpus. pm me if you need any more info
Just did a bunch of tests with a H70 and a 2600k and I must say I really like it. I used Notuas fans too, so the noise is barely noticeable (with the inline resistor) and I can get an easy 4.1Ghz 24/7 OC. Idle: ~30C, Prime: ~72C, LinX: ~75C. I like the fact that there is not a heavy weight on the socket / motherboard, which can be a good thing if you plan on shipping the system or taking the PC with you on LAN parties. On the other end, the NH-D14 already has the Noctua fans and is a bit cheaper
Heres a question if I point the H70 outside the case (non recommended) how much dose it change the abient in the case? It might be better in that regard meaning I have a cooler case for all the rest of my components seeing the CPU heat is all being let out the case.
Linus, this study is biais cause the H70 configuration is disadvantaged due to the great amount of air disturbance. You can see that air flow is blocked from that motherboard. Therefore, you are not using the full surface area available from the radiator. I'll guaranty that the temp are going to be lower if the air flow is not disturbed.
notice how the fan intake section is blocked on the h70? it's just sitting over the edge of the bench table with the side of the fan wedged it. the h70 bench was improperly tested.
is it suitable for me to buy a HD6570 to play DiRT3, Battlefield 3, Need For Speed The Run?? Or i should wait HD7000 release and Intel LGA 2011 to built a new pc?
Now where is the major difference? Installation! To install the NHD-14 you have to pull the whole motherboard out and then install. With the H70 you simply put on the bottom receptor plate and install the mobo. The pump head can be installed with the motherboard inside the case. NHD-14 can't.
@LinusTechTips Could you please conclude all the results for us. Also, roughly comparing th noise/size and performance with both stock cooler and also the H70 with NF-P12's. And make recommendations for us, like would the H70 be sufficent enough for OC'ing Phenom II's / i-Series to 4GHz.
the main difference i guess, is the size, air coolling requieres a huge case to load the gigantic fin towers. watercooling can be much smaller and perform quite as well.
@Woofers11 I don't see why it's odd, you use what works for your set up and is preferable within that reality. I researched both the H70 and NHD a whole lot, by that I mean I read multiple reviews, watched pretty much every video about the two here on youtube, read the large majority of customer reviews on Newegg. I came to the conclusion that the NHD is considered to be a bit better than the H70 based on those factors but I still ended up going with the H70 b/c it works for my needs.
Try mounting the watercooler unit with better airflow, you have it either pulling or pushing air towards/from the motherboard... not really an ideal situation.
Corsair H70 on i7 2600K on stock 3.4Ghz, room temperature is: 25.3 degrees. CPU temp is on idle: 39 degrees. Under max load with prime95 about 62 degrees. Keep in mind that the memory and videocard also gets hot. 4 x 4gb corsair vengeance 1866 mhz besides it and msi nvidia gtx580 oc, bot run reasonably hot but my corsair 650d has a got airflow.
um wouldnt the airflow of the h70 be hindered by its position on this video while the d14 has a bit more accessibility. I think this review is good, and linus's logic is no doubt true, but i do believe u can achieve slightly better performance off of the h70 with better positioning. Oh it would be great if this comparison also included both coolers using their stock fans, cause a lot of people dont want to have to spend another 40bucks on fans after buying a 100dollar cooler lol
i am acquiring the nh d12 but thing is i am mounting it inside a haf X so it will be hanging horizontally in mid air and its weight worries me in regards to damaging the socket,cpu or the motherboard itself any advice?
+XenoContact dont worry, there shoulnd be any problem as long as you dont move it a lot. If you are going to transport or move, try disambling it from the Secufirm2 system before do it. And are you talking about NH D14 or NH U12s?
Sealed watercooler have one advantage: it doesn´t block ram sockets and the case inside looks neater. And why not use the stock fans that came with the H70?
I used to own a D14 but switch over to h70 because the d14 is too damn big. Eventhough the D14 out perform the h70 you can put a fan shroud between the fan and rad. Mine looks like this: fan->shroud->rad>shroud->fan. It actually decreases max temp by 3-5c. Also changing the thermal compound and fans help too :)
I'm not trying to convince you to buy an h100. What are you not getting here? I'm just saying that installing an all in one cooler would be a lot less hassle than making a custom loop.
@Nefus1988 It was to make a fair comparison between the two coolers. If possible, having the h70 fans on the noctua would cause even lower temperatures.
@BBoyA2A It's barely blocking it at all, and even if it weren't blocked it'd still not make enough of a difference to bring the H70 up to the performance of the D14. The D14 is less expensive, more silent and has better performance. If you ask me, the H70 is for kids who think "water cooling" sounds cool, or people with really bad cases that can't hold a D14. But if you have such a small case then you shouldn't really spend more than 100 bucks on a cooler.
My H60 out performed the air CPU coolers I used to run. You also have to keep in mind the layout of your case, the additional fans in your case, and what kind of fans your using with your water cooler. Personally, I'll never go back to air cooled CPU coolers simply because of the fact that if you want the performance of water cooling in an air cooler, you have to buy something as expensive and large as the Noctua.. The sheer size of the Noctua and difficulty getting it to fit made me return it.
Also I think that I'd prefer you to use default fans that came with the coolers not some other brands fans I'm not going to run out & be replacing fans nor am I going to buy 2 CPU coolers just to rip fans off of 1 to put on the other.
hi linus, i got the h50. and the amd phenom ii x4 Black E. and i got mine stable at 4.2Ghz, is that good for a H50? and i need a new mother board (am3) witch would u recomend?
One thing to considder is size and weight. The H70 will work better in most cases then the Noctua cooler. If you have a big case or open bench no worries. Also a lot of popular motherboards out now have MOSFET coolers that are to tall for the Noctua to fit. You just need to be careful.
@DoomTra1n I'm assuming best case scenario since the Corsair fans are less than stellar and putting Noctua fans on the H70 (or any air cooler for that matter) should be done anyways.
It's also simple science that the H70 was not placed fairly during the testing. Airflow is important, and sucking from your dense wiring and table isn't optimal intake.
@arys64 it was almost at 90 degrees, shows an h70 just can't handle a 2600K at 4.7 ghz with unreal load temps. I can run my 2500k without a problem on the h70 at 4.6 ghz at 63° max.
the most common BSOD is from bad cooling, this mean over heating GPUS, CPUS, Chipsets, basically anything that heats up can cause a BSOD, along with failed Over Clocking, Damage, and viruses. Your statement that BSOD and Watercooling are together is actually very rare, this is because most Watercooled rigs are custom loops that would probably be the same temp at full load, as you are at idle.
I was under the assumption that the following Air Coolers are better than the Noctua cooler in this video. - Prolimatech Megahalems - Spire Thermax Eclipse II - Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme and even the Noctua NH-C14
@LinusTechTips I can understand using it in systems like that, I was more so referring to the builds like the special edition 6990 build, everything in that build was extreme, except that h70
can I just point out that his use of a bungie cord to attach the rad to the side of that rig is impeding airflow through the radiator set up? That seems like a really obvious thing to me...
I would love the Noctua cooler but the problem in the area I live in is dust. Dust everywhere. The thing looks pretty impossible to manually clean without a complete headache. I have to dismantle my whole system every 2 months and do a thorough cleaning, blow with air every 2 days, that's how bad it is in my area.
@MarTuv93 Also, that H70 has the stock fans replaced with fans that costs more than 20 dollars each. With stock fans the H70 would have been even worse.
Idk, the i7-990x are supposed to be "cherry picked" chips in the binning process, but I guess this one was a dud, because I can't get it a touch over 4.2GHz with any less than 1.425v. These temps are with Prime95 though.
i think a air cooler is a better choice because the only thing can happen to it is the fan stop working, and that can easily fix by buying new fans unlike the close water loop if any thing happen to it u will of to get a new one
Perhaps mounting the H70 such that the table doesnt block airflow would help? I would mount the pc in a case to see how that affects airflow - just a suggestion.
Are you sure the room-temperature was the same as with the noctua? Other tests on the internet tell different things!!! I dont realy trust anyone because cpu diods are not accurate and ambience temps fastly differs, but either way both coolers are still pretty good.
Quick note: Doesn't work with all high profile RAM, I use Corsair Vengeance and I had to remove the heat spreaders (not that you need them as) The NH-D14 compensates for high profile RAM without spreaders by slightly blowing air over the RAM. As regards to adding the third fan to the NH-D14, I wouldn't bother, it makes a small difference and it takes up a lot more space, even in a large mid tower like the 600T the third fan is sat on the rear exhaust.
LOL 4:00 He saw he got blue screen 2 sec silent AAannnd thanks for watching my video.... That was fun! xD
+Hans Ole Petersen true XD
@BeDuckie1 The NF-P12s are great for static pressure, which has been proven again and again! The P stands for pressure!
They're low noise fans, so they will not perform GREAT, but I wouldn't even let the fans that most people consider "good" near my test bench due to the noise. P12's are a great balance between pressure and noise.
4:01 It just bluescreened, LOL. I guess the H70 really couldnt handle it.
@Woofers11 H70 is really convenient. It's low profile and doesn't get in the way, and much easier to swap on/off of boards than the Noctua.
4:00 blue screen GG
i think we can see that the d-14 wins, haha ;D
@Woofers11 Oh and for Vesta systems, it's much safer for shipping than the only heatsinks that outperform it (NH-D14, Cogage Arrow, etc) due to its more compact size and the fact that it bolts to the case instead of to the motherboard.
There's a method to my madness, folks ;)
Did the test bench bluescreen?
@BloodlessSalvation The H100 runs 5'C cooler at medium fan/pump settings and around 7-10'C cooler on max.
This is with 4 fans in a push pull, not the stock 2 fans that comes with the H100.
LOL NH-D14 for the win!
Perfectly stable vs blue screen
the way you have that mounted make me feel like you didnt give the h70 a good enough chance. it should have been mounted vertically for better performance.
Lol... blue screen at the end Linus took escape route. I saw what you did there Linus.
@MrAndragaz Lol yeah. It was my bad and I wasn't going to re-shoot over it. I touched something with my foot :p
4:00
Welp I guess Noctua wins.
The fan on the H70 is partially blocked when you put it that way, and I think the gap will be closer when you do the test on a closed case. The point of H70 is to exhaust heat away quickly from the case, not into the case like most air cooler.
That is one ridiculous air cooler.
I'm glad I went with the Noctua. Btw, what kind of thermal paste did you use?
Did I just see a BSOD?
+SCAVA187 u did about one year ago yeah :P
+iBool Guy that was smooth
+iBool Guy about one month ago
Linus,I think the fans you used for the h70 are not adequate for a push & pull through radiators. You need to use the spiraled ones, I think they are the p-12's, that are made for push & pull configurations for radiators. I've tried a 2600k @ 4.7 and it tops at 81° with 21° room temp.
@ZeoVII 120 facing towards the back is the best, because the 120 is pulling air away from the towers so having it facing the back would let the air escape the case quickly.
@esdymo whats your budget for a graphics card? coz for a little extra cash I'd personally go for the 5770... better card, my dad has it and it plays all his Total war games on full graphics, it plays ArmA 2 on pretty high settings at an average of 31FPS and Crisis runs nicely on it. The 6570 like @orkie55 said isn't a great card for the games your trying to run. I personally have a Gigabyte SOC 560 which is an awesome card if your prepared to spend a little more. Great value for money tho
@Eclipezz the H70 was not installed properly. I have extensively tested the H70 and it performs much much better than this experiment even with stock fans at default speeds in push-pull intake. it most likely crashed due to a bad overclock. ie: voltage too low. could also be bad DRAM voltage and memory caused it.
The NH-D14 is 160mm tall, your case supports up to 160mm (with a few mm's to spare). It's going to be a tight fit but it should fit.
@DoomTra1n
Those weren't stock fans on the H70. He used the same fans on both coolers to eliminate any differences the fans might make. It's the fairest way of testing the coolers themselves as one can always change the fans.
Is this really a fair comparison? I see that when he tested the Noctua the cooler is mounted as is should be with clear air flow. When he tested the H70 the rad and fans were hanging off the edge of the test station with the air flow at least partially blocked. I know those test stations do not lend themselves to correct mounting of this type of liquid cooling but seems like it may have skewed the results a bit.
I find the NH-D14 to be gorgeous and it is as you stated a top league cooling device. But my question is if it is higher or wider than the NH-U12P, because that is my current cooler, but in order to fit in my dominators I had to remove the pull in fan. Would this be a problem? My MB is a GA-P55A-UD3 if that would matter. Cheers.
Big issue with H70 if you hook the fans up via the attachment connector it limits them to 1.4k RPM.
It depends on the motherboard(how close the RAM slots are to the cpu and if you can run dual channel effectively on the 2nd and 4th slots) as well as if you plan on using both fans on the noctua. Most likely, the overly tall heat-spreaders on the RAM will get in the way of the heat-sink so if you want to use Vengeance RAM with a NH-D14, i suggest using the low profile RAM cards
@rock962000 I can't wait to build my future system and water cool and do the building itself. But between the H70 and the Noctua, I'd probably get the air cooler. I'd go for water cooling for noise and cooling, and it lost in atleast one category.
@AndrixGamer not only is it hanging down with one of the fans blocked (totally restricting air flow), but the TIM application is most likely off as well. he should have done multiple tests with multiple TIM applications to make sure each was installed properly and the CPU was transferring heat just as well. good observation.
@KutaPuta The Corsair blow hot air into the case because it cools the radiator with the cool air from outside rather than the hot air inside the case. If your case haw proper air flow the hot air coming through the radiator shouldn't be a problem.
I agree with what you say about the Noctua. While it leaves space for RAM if you want to install/remove RAM you have to remove the heatsink and if you don't have a well designed case that could also mean removing the mobo + components all together.
Yeah, comes down to preference. Also the D14 can block your RAM slots so make sure it will fit in your case if you go with that. H100 is easier to install but your case need 2 120mm fan slots on top.
I'd like to point out that the H70's coldplate base isn't completely flat. It loses surface compression at the middle, giving it tiny sliver of a pocket of space between the CPU and the coldplate. It's inherent in both the H50 and the H70. Corsair does encourage you to LAP your H50/H70 without voiding your warranty. I've done it and it HAS shaved off temps by at least 10c.
You mounted the nh-d14 wrong way around. The outer fan and shorter heatpipes should face to the rams, so it blows to the back.
@Sajmoon37 I know you're 15 and all, and you want to sound cool, but the h70 I have is running at 700 RPM. it's total silence. You can't compare that to a stock fan at 50%.
Hi guys, im going to build a setup
will a 850w power supply handle an asus rampage III extreme, a gtx 580 and 8gb ram?
Please answer =D
When are you going to use your new camera, or have you already started using it???
Bout damn time you came out with this video :@ been waiting since January , love your video's no one does better :)
So would you still recommend the H70 for someone who doesn't want a 2 ton brink inside their case?
You are correct in saying that silver conducts heat the most when compared to the metals you have mentioned. However, if you compare silver to copper, copper is only a tad bit less efficient for carrying heat. This is where the engineers come in to design heat sinks. For the consumer, copper is not only less susceptible to corrosion than silver, but much cheaper than silver. Because of only a slight performance difference from silver, copper is a better choice.
@GamingGeek97 the 2500k is an i5 and the 2600k is an i7 so the difference is hyperthreading
@Dantakurasaki those fans wont do anything on the thick closed fins of the h70, u need some high static pressure fans to do a decent job.
as for performance some people may be looking for coolers that offer more than just performance, they might prefer the look and minimalistic design of the h70, i know i rather have the h70 over that gamecube on my CPU.
@nikanj absolutely not. prime runs multiple instances within itself to load all cores. you do NOT want to load more than one prime95 at a time. that my friend, is a bad idea!
@bullsnake505 5ghz is no problem with a 2500k on water. custom loop is always better than something like a h100 but ek products are troublesome. gpu cooling can be included in the waterloop if your so inclinded otherwise stock gpu cooling will be sufficent, any changes you make from there will give marginal gains anyway, watercooling a gpu is more for noise reduction. there are people using corsair H series also on there gpus. pm me if you need any more info
Just did a bunch of tests with a H70 and a 2600k and I must say I really like it. I used Notuas fans too, so the noise is barely noticeable (with the inline resistor) and I can get an easy 4.1Ghz 24/7 OC. Idle: ~30C, Prime: ~72C, LinX: ~75C. I like the fact that there is not a heavy weight on the socket / motherboard, which can be a good thing if you plan on shipping the system or taking the PC with you on LAN parties. On the other end, the NH-D14 already has the Noctua fans and is a bit cheaper
Heres a question if I point the H70 outside the case (non recommended) how much dose it change the abient in the case? It might be better in that regard meaning I have a cooler case for all the rest of my components seeing the CPU heat is all being let out the case.
The Thermalright Silver Arrow is better than the Noctua NH-14. You should do a comparison of those two coolers.
Linus, this study is biais cause the H70 configuration is disadvantaged due to the great amount of air disturbance. You can see that air flow is blocked from that motherboard. Therefore, you are not using the full surface area available from the radiator. I'll guaranty that the temp are going to be lower if the air flow is not disturbed.
I'm still using the h70 on my i5 760@4ghz
dude
question .
did you apply the Thermal compund ?
you know that would be make a big difference plus you cut that part
notice how the fan intake section is blocked on the h70? it's just sitting over the edge of the bench table with the side of the fan wedged it. the h70 bench was improperly tested.
is it suitable for me to buy a HD6570 to play DiRT3, Battlefield 3, Need For Speed The Run?? Or i should wait HD7000 release and Intel LGA 2011 to built a new pc?
Now where is the major difference? Installation! To install the NHD-14 you have to pull the whole motherboard out and then install. With the H70 you simply put on the bottom receptor plate and install the mobo. The pump head can be installed with the motherboard inside the case. NHD-14 can't.
@rock962000 Because it's a better cooler?
@LinusTechTips
Could you please conclude all the results for us. Also, roughly comparing th noise/size and performance with both stock cooler and also the H70 with NF-P12's. And make recommendations for us, like would the H70 be sufficent enough for OC'ing Phenom II's / i-Series to 4GHz.
the main difference i guess, is the size, air coolling requieres a huge case to load the gigantic fin towers. watercooling can be much smaller and perform quite as well.
Hey Linus, did you system show a blue screen at 4:00 or am I mad?
Thanks for this great video, good info for the future! ;)
@Woofers11 I don't see why it's odd, you use what works for your set up and is preferable within that reality. I researched both the H70 and NHD a whole lot, by that I mean I read multiple reviews, watched pretty much every video about the two here on youtube, read the large majority of customer reviews on Newegg. I came to the conclusion that the NHD is considered to be a bit better than the H70 based on those factors but I still ended up going with the H70 b/c it works for my needs.
how much voltage did you put through it? im guessing like 1.4 volts
@LordJummy If that's not the case then which fans would you recommend I use if I was to buy either product?
The i7 3770k.
Not overclocked by now.
Would the H100 be a better solution?
I'm also thinking about 4Fans in a push-pull configuration
Try mounting the watercooler unit with better airflow, you have it either pulling or pushing air towards/from the motherboard... not really an ideal situation.
Corsair H70 on i7 2600K on stock 3.4Ghz, room temperature is: 25.3 degrees. CPU temp is on idle: 39 degrees. Under max load with prime95 about 62 degrees. Keep in mind that the memory and videocard also gets hot.
4 x 4gb corsair vengeance 1866 mhz besides it and msi nvidia gtx580 oc, bot run reasonably hot but my corsair 650d has a got airflow.
um wouldnt the airflow of the h70 be hindered by its position on this video while the d14 has a bit more accessibility. I think this review is good, and linus's logic is no doubt true, but i do believe u can achieve slightly better performance off of the h70 with better positioning. Oh it would be great if this comparison also included both coolers using their stock fans, cause a lot of people dont want to have to spend another 40bucks on fans after buying a 100dollar cooler lol
i am acquiring the nh d12 but thing is i am mounting it inside a haf X so it will be hanging horizontally in mid air and its weight worries me in regards to damaging the socket,cpu or the motherboard itself any advice?
+XenoContact dont worry, there shoulnd be any problem as long as you dont move it a lot. If you are going to transport or move, try disambling it from the Secufirm2 system before do it. And are you talking about NH D14 or NH U12s?
Ya seen the BSOD as well at the end... doesnt thermal paste also take some time to settle in before you get accurate readings?
Sealed watercooler have one advantage: it doesn´t block ram sockets and the case inside looks neater. And why not use the stock fans that came with the H70?
I used to own a D14 but switch over to h70 because the d14 is too damn big. Eventhough the D14 out perform the h70 you can put a fan shroud between the fan and rad. Mine looks like this: fan->shroud->rad>shroud->fan. It actually decreases max temp by 3-5c. Also changing the thermal compound and fans help too :)
I'm not trying to convince you to buy an h100. What are you not getting here? I'm just saying that installing an all in one cooler would be a lot less hassle than making a custom loop.
Your test is conducted on a open test bench, would there be a significant difference in a case that a gamer would use??
@LinusTechTips what fans do you recomend for the best preformance with the h70?
@Nefus1988 It was to make a fair comparison between the two coolers. If possible, having the h70 fans on the noctua would cause even lower temperatures.
@BBoyA2A
It's barely blocking it at all, and even if it weren't blocked it'd still not make enough of a difference to bring the H70 up to the performance of the D14.
The D14 is less expensive, more silent and has better performance. If you ask me, the H70 is for kids who think "water cooling" sounds cool, or people with really bad cases that can't hold a D14. But if you have such a small case then you shouldn't really spend more than 100 bucks on a cooler.
You tested with the same fans, which are low noise fans, but what about the stock fans, which run louder but offers better cooling on the H70?
My H60 out performed the air CPU coolers I used to run. You also have to keep in mind the layout of your case, the additional fans in your case, and what kind of fans your using with your water cooler. Personally, I'll never go back to air cooled CPU coolers simply because of the fact that if you want the performance of water cooling in an air cooler, you have to buy something as expensive and large as the Noctua.. The sheer size of the Noctua and difficulty getting it to fit made me return it.
Why not use the same fans? Another thing, Asetek who makes the liquid coolers for Corsair, also makes 120mm x 240mm cooler
Linus, do you think i can overclock a i7 2600k to 4.5 h
ghz using a Asetek 570LX Liquid Cooling system w/ 240MM Radiator?
I need a answer.
Also I think that I'd prefer you to use default fans that came with the coolers not some other brands fans I'm not going to run out & be replacing fans nor am I going to buy 2 CPU coolers just to rip fans off of 1 to put on the other.
um, you do know that you had the exhaust side of the rad half blocked by the motherboard and stand, right?
hi linus, i got the h50. and the amd phenom ii x4 Black E. and i got mine stable at 4.2Ghz, is that good for a H50?
and i need a new mother board (am3) witch would u recomend?
One thing to considder is size and weight. The H70 will work better in most cases then the Noctua cooler. If you have a big case or open bench no worries. Also a lot of popular motherboards out now have MOSFET coolers that are to tall for the Noctua to fit. You just need to be careful.
@DoomTra1n I'm assuming best case scenario since the Corsair fans are less than stellar and putting Noctua fans on the H70 (or any air cooler for that matter) should be done anyways.
@TokerMate your system has water correct?
whether it custom or not ,water and electricity will never mix.
It's also simple science that the H70 was not placed fairly during the testing. Airflow is important, and sucking from your dense wiring and table isn't optimal intake.
@arys64 it was almost at 90 degrees, shows an h70 just can't handle a 2600K at 4.7 ghz with unreal load temps.
I can run my 2500k without a problem on the h70 at 4.6 ghz at 63° max.
the most common BSOD is from bad cooling, this mean over heating GPUS, CPUS, Chipsets, basically anything that heats up can cause a BSOD, along with failed Over Clocking, Damage, and viruses.
Your statement that BSOD and Watercooling are together is actually very rare, this is because most Watercooled rigs are custom loops that would probably be the same temp at full load, as you are at idle.
I was under the assumption that the following Air Coolers are better than the Noctua cooler in this video.
- Prolimatech Megahalems
- Spire Thermax Eclipse II
- Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme
and even the Noctua NH-C14
@LinusTechTips I can understand using it in systems like that, I was more so referring to the builds like the special edition 6990 build, everything in that build was extreme, except that h70
@gamer1337omg The temp's still within spec. Different cpus have different temperature ranges.
can I just point out that his use of a bungie cord to attach the rad to the side of that rig is impeding airflow through the radiator set up? That seems like a really obvious thing to me...
the nhd14 sounds louder. you should run it again and use the same exact 2 fans. and the h70 position doesn't seem ideal. airflow doesn't seem ideal.
@WildFire187 they're not even in the same league mate. the noctua is arguably the best aircooler( the silver arrow is pretty close)
I would love the Noctua cooler but the problem in the area I live in is dust. Dust everywhere. The thing looks pretty impossible to manually clean without a complete headache. I have to dismantle my whole system every 2 months and do a thorough cleaning, blow with air every 2 days, that's how bad it is in my area.
Cheesus!!! I just about purchased an H70 and was wondering if I should actually get the NH-D14. Guess I'm getting the Noctua.
@MarTuv93
Also, that H70 has the stock fans replaced with fans that costs more than 20 dollars each. With stock fans the H70 would have been even worse.
Idk, the i7-990x are supposed to be "cherry picked" chips in the binning process, but I guess this one was a dud, because I can't get it a touch over 4.2GHz with any less than 1.425v. These temps are with Prime95 though.
I strill have no idea what you're arguing about. Haven't I said that custom loops are better like 10 times already?
i think a air cooler is a better choice because the only thing can happen to it is the fan stop working, and that can easily fix by buying new fans unlike the close water loop if any thing happen to it u will of to get a new one
Perhaps mounting the H70 such that the table doesnt block airflow would help? I would mount the pc in a case to see how that affects airflow - just a suggestion.
Are you sure the room-temperature was the same as with the noctua? Other tests on the internet tell different things!!! I dont realy trust anyone because cpu diods are not accurate and ambience temps fastly differs, but either way both coolers are still pretty good.
Quick note: Doesn't work with all high profile RAM, I use Corsair Vengeance and I had to remove the heat spreaders (not that you need them as) The NH-D14 compensates for high profile RAM without spreaders by slightly blowing air over the RAM. As regards to adding the third fan to the NH-D14, I wouldn't bother, it makes a small difference and it takes up a lot more space, even in a large mid tower like the 600T the third fan is sat on the rear exhaust.