Not a lot of programming in a video about programming. Programmers want their inner loop to be as fast as possible. So I'd probably want test like... how fast can I build some giant C++ project or something.
On the regular M4 mini (non-pro) with 32GB of RAM, it took 45 minutes to build Chromium-iOS/Brave-iOS with 21.5k files. By comparison, the M1 Ultra Mac Studio, built it in 9 minutes. The M1 Ultra Mac Studio has way worse scores than the M4 and M4 Pro, but a real world test with Chromium-iOS or Brave-iOS shows the M1 Ultra Mac Studio demolishing the M4. It's likely due to the multi-core scores and differences. Was considering upgrading to the pro just to see, but not sure it'll make that much of a difference, even though the multi-core score is a lot better tbh. At that price point, I might as well wait for an M4 Ultra or something. But I'd suggest to the creator of this video, to test compiling Chromium-iOS or Brave-iOS.
@@yourordinaryduck929 MicroCenter often has good prices on the Mac hardware, but the *really* good deals tend to sell out pretty quickly. The base M4 Minis sold out in a couple of days and haven't been in stock since then. Now the best deal is an M4 Mini with the 512 GB SSD for $684, but keep in mind that prices in the US don't include sales tax. In my area this is usually between 9% and 10%, which gets added to the sales price. We're just used to comparing prices without tax. Unfortunately sales taxes have risen a lot over time from 4% when I was a kid to nearly 10% now. Gotta cover the tax cuts to the rich somehow, right?
@@yourordinaryduck929 720 dollars in Romania right now. Typical Europe, paying half the release price of the product to taxes or whatever bureaucratic sh*t is.
Software Development, Engineering, AI Integration, Threejs Modeling, Animations, Jetbrains Ide, vs code, programming languages, server, Database. I'm working with the above technologise. This Mac Mini is recomended for me?
1:48 I faced the same issue during first setup lol I ended up learning to navigate with voice-over keyboard shortcut navigation to pair my MX. It works.
Can you please check if there is a way I can run a local code Helping AI on this mac and make it available to everyone on my local network keeping context of different chats simultaneously?
struggling to decide between 24GB and 48GB RAM. I am a statistician and do a lot of work in ML. Most of my heavy work will be done in google colab, aws, or other cloud platforms, but I feel like I would have peace of mind if I did go for the 48GB. This would be my first macbook pro, and even the 24GB would be an upgrade from my 16GB RAM in my windows device. Part of me feels like if I were to get a lot of RAM I should be going for the MAX version, but I Dunno. Anyone have advice?
I've just waiting for such a video, thank you very much! Try to cummulate the power of your M4 Macs and Nvidia PC with EXO (exolabs) using all your thunderbolt ports. That would be really powerful team. Could you make the video about it?
I liked and I subscribed😉 Impressed by your visualization of the Vision Pro. Your examples of using Bolt.new is exactly what Im considering to do, with oTToDev. I’m also using XCode with Flutter so your examples fit exactly my work style. Thanks for the hint of 24 GB RAM. Questions: 1. What do you think of the M4 pro Mini? 2. Does it make sense to add aTn external Thunderbolt 5 SSD instead of upgrading the internal one? 3. What 27” screen are you using?
The RAM makes sense but why not use an external drive or NAS? Apple charges a ridiculous amount for storage. I think this is the first video I have seen where someone recommended getting a terabyte. For the same price you could have so much more storage.
question is should you get the M4 with 4 perf cores and 6 efficiently cores and upgrade to 32gb mem with 512gb ssd . OR upgrade to the m4 pro 12core with 8 perf cores and 4 effi cores and 24gig mem and 512 storage.. That's the dilemma i'm currently in.. They are clearly different beasts one is geared towards efficiently while the other is more in balance and leans towards performance. My cpu preferences lean towards the pro. But i like that the non pro version has the option of 32gig mem instead of 24 to 42gig. Also the mem bandwidth and SSD is better in the pro. But less mem is till less mem.
@@CodexCommunity thanks i decided to go with the pro 12-core. Now deciding between 48 or 64 gig of memory. Working with VM’s eats up mem. In theorie 48 should allow me to do all the virtualization I need more would just be extra. Also i plan to use my mini for at least 5yr as long as i can...
Great video.Would be cool future videos to please display metric widgets to provide more granular information on system usage across the board(e.g network,disk usage etc).
@@bugged1212 It does for sure. I’m a fan of the power band too. But what I meant was you’d be able to pull more performance off without the overhead on a VM, which docker sort of forces on you when using a mac. A Linux box might’ve been better for a server deployment. Especially if you’re doing 30k req/hr
No way around using linux on an M4, overhead is negligible, mostly less than 12 watts consumed which is similar to a raspberry pi 5 running at max cpu.
New sub here. Great channel. Would you be so kind as to answer a few questions. I mostly use Final Cut Pro & Photoshop to create videos on my Billy Luna Crime Stories YT channel. I am working in 1080p, but plan to start working in 4k. Currently I am Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SSD (2TB & 4TB) to edit off whilst using FCP. I like to use Final Cut Pro, Photoshop and 40 web browser tabs open simultaneously. 1) For my needs, which exact configuration of the new M4 Mac Mini should I get? (Pro or no, RAM, SSD) These are the two configurations that I have been mulling: $1,079.00 Apple M4 chip with 10‑core CPU, 10‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 32GB unified memory Or $1,799.00 512GB SSD storage Apple M4 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 16‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine 48GB unified memory 512GB SSD storage 2) Is there any speed or performance advantage in going with a 1 TB SSD vs 512? 3) Do I need to worry about fan noise when I’m recording on camera video or voice over?
So weird I'm looking at the same two configurations and can't decide, I have a similar use case too? I know the 512gb is faster than 256, not sure about the 1tb, I would get 512 and get an external for more space
Hey , that's what my concerned was as how much out of 16 GB will it consume to run as smoothly as possible any hiccups noticed while executing apps on windows?
You basically wanna do everything with an entry level machine. Very hard to follow that reasoning. And yet, anything that was not obviously impossible did the entry level mac at least decent. Given that your workload required a 3000$ plus macbook pro in 2019 we are pretty well off today.
you didn't test much actual coding, esp how fast it runs vs other pc's for npm etc every pc besides Apple allows connecting multiple displays, only Apple limits it artificially LLM use is crippled by the ver slow load times and no Cuda Apple's keyboard and mouse suck - which is why are you using a Logitech mouse, but you don't seem to be doing much coding with that terrible keyboard there's still a huge Appple tax for minor upgrades - $400 extra for more ram/storage is a ripoff. its a great little pc for everyday use and its great for video editing. not sure about coding.
I never understood how a 'coder' is OK with that tiny keyboard made for influencer barbies. just because that that palm-sized thing looks cool on a two-metre table? If there is something really requiring a full size keyboard, it is coding. Have you perhaps ever heard of function keys, one key copy/paste, and keyboard shortcut combinations not requiring your toes ? you can't imagine how much more efficient and ergonomic it is
Update: * Front ports are actually 2x USB-C 10GBps and Back ports are Thunderbolt 4
Only the middle port in the back is tdu4
@@designrama8 all 3 in the back are thunderbolt 4
They are actually 10 Gbps, not 10 GBps.
How is it running both simulators android and ios? Does it run smoothly?
Correction: the front are USB's 3.2 not thunderbolt
Not a lot of programming in a video about programming. Programmers want their inner loop to be as fast as possible. So I'd probably want test like... how fast can I build some giant C++ project or something.
lots of xcode 16 benchmark test out there and on github
Hi,
I've tested it for java and it shorted my build time from 2-3 mins to 30-40 secs what was pretty impresive for me (with java for mac)
@@michakostro6058 thats the base model or m4 pro? and compared to what? :)
On the regular M4 mini (non-pro) with 32GB of RAM, it took 45 minutes to build Chromium-iOS/Brave-iOS with 21.5k files. By comparison, the M1 Ultra Mac Studio, built it in 9 minutes. The M1 Ultra Mac Studio has way worse scores than the M4 and M4 Pro, but a real world test with Chromium-iOS or Brave-iOS shows the M1 Ultra Mac Studio demolishing the M4. It's likely due to the multi-core scores and differences.
Was considering upgrading to the pro just to see, but not sure it'll make that much of a difference, even though the multi-core score is a lot better tbh. At that price point, I might as well wait for an M4 Ultra or something.
But I'd suggest to the creator of this video, to test compiling Chromium-iOS or Brave-iOS.
Great video. One minor correctiion - the front USB ports are not Thunderbolt. Specs are: USB-C ports with support for USB 3 (up to 10Gb/s).
Just noticed the M4 Mini at my local MicroCenter for $499, or $475 on my MC credit card. There's simply no competition at that price.
how the fuck. in croatia i have to pay 800 dollars for it.
@@yourordinaryduck929 MicroCenter often has good prices on the Mac hardware, but the *really* good deals tend to sell out pretty quickly. The base M4 Minis sold out in a couple of days and haven't been in stock since then. Now the best deal is an M4 Mini with the 512 GB SSD for $684, but keep in mind that prices in the US don't include sales tax. In my area this is usually between 9% and 10%, which gets added to the sales price. We're just used to comparing prices without tax. Unfortunately sales taxes have risen a lot over time from 4% when I was a kid to nearly 10% now. Gotta cover the tax cuts to the rich somehow, right?
@@yourordinaryduck929 same in Sweden 800dollars for the base model and for only 514dollars on top of that you get an extra 16GB of ram😂.
@@yourordinaryduck929 720 dollars in Romania right now. Typical Europe, paying half the release price of the product to taxes or whatever bureaucratic sh*t is.
@@Unknown-ki8yk you mean double the release price?
unboxing was super clean! 👌👌👌
awesome, spent hours trying to recreate that apple trailer like animated sequence!
I have an important question - what font is this? some kind of plow for inscriptions? they look fabulous, please reply
The Mac mini is so cute that it actually move like the apple ad
what is your keyboard model?
Can this run on any power bank?
Software Development, Engineering, AI Integration, Threejs Modeling, Animations, Jetbrains Ide, vs code, programming languages, server, Database.
I'm working with the above technologise. This Mac Mini is recomended for me?
You need a data center, but, just to write your CV
Awesome exactly what i was planning to use the Mac mini for. Would it be worth considering the Mac Mini M4 Pro with 64 GB for running LLM locally?
I’ve been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.
M4 Pro chip is needed for react / javascript / swift projects ?
No rendering benchmark tests?
how the performance when running Android Studio ?
Does it get hot or loud fan?
My compliments nice vid really enjoyed it ..and that means a lot considering the number of mac mini vids i already watched yours stood out ..
great video, we need more videos that show more than just benchmark charts and performance in video editing and content creation
Really helpful, thanks for the update on RAM useage on coding, not all youtubers add this aspect from a programmers side. Awesome video
Mx master can be connected via bluetooth?
Yes
Can windows VM using VMware fusion be installed on external drive?
Yeah
Have you tried running android and ios simultaneously ? This would make or break my decision to finally get a mac.
If you press power button three times it will allow you connect any Bluetooth keyboard and mice to it during setup.
Hi can you please suggest recommended system config for generative ai development?
This is an outstandingly insightful review: max info & zero fuss.
right off at the beginning i see that unboxing animation. and it's soooooo well done brother!
can we turn off the apple intelligence if we require RAM for virtualization just in case to save up on resources
1:48 I faced the same issue during first setup lol
I ended up learning to navigate with voice-over keyboard shortcut navigation to pair my MX. It works.
Can you please check if there is a way I can run a local code Helping AI on this mac and make it available to everyone on my local network keeping context of different chats simultaneously?
Can anyone confirm if we can power this mini by usb C ports too ? or can only power through power cord ?
the stop motion was a chefs kiss, super well done.
struggling to decide between 24GB and 48GB RAM. I am a statistician and do a lot of work in ML. Most of my heavy work will be done in google colab, aws, or other cloud platforms, but I feel like I would have peace of mind if I did go for the 48GB. This would be my first macbook pro, and even the 24GB would be an upgrade from my 16GB RAM in my windows device. Part of me feels like if I were to get a lot of RAM I should be going for the MAX version, but I Dunno. Anyone have advice?
How is the CUDA support ? Oh .
can i do heavy web browsing on this base modle ike 30 to 40 tab on crome without solowness
I was hoping you would do mobile dev and emulation as that is usually the most demanding tasks
0:34 i get the idea. It’s cool to do, but oh my god is that a distraction from you talking… very distracting
This is the video I needed
Can it center a div?
i was about asking the same
Can you please try to run flux models on this base?
I've just waiting for such a video, thank you very much! Try to cummulate the power of your M4 Macs and Nvidia PC with EXO (exolabs) using all your thunderbolt ports. That would be really powerful team. Could you make the video about it?
should i get a macbook M4 24GB 1TB (£1800) or a macbook M4 Pro 24GB 1TB (£2040) for programming
Finally review for development, thx
Add update : you can connect bluetooth devices by pressing power button 3 times initially to setup, no wires needed.
Load quantized models, that way you can load way bigger models into constrained ram.
No Cc?
8:42 Did I just hear the 4090 doesn't perform as well?! Wow, really impressive for the Mac Mini!
I liked and I subscribed😉
Impressed by your visualization of the Vision Pro.
Your examples of using Bolt.new is exactly what Im considering to do, with oTToDev. I’m also using XCode with Flutter so your examples fit exactly my work style. Thanks for the hint of 24 GB RAM.
Questions:
1. What do you think of the M4 pro Mini?
2. Does it make sense to add aTn external Thunderbolt 5 SSD instead of upgrading the internal one?
3. What 27” screen are you using?
The RAM makes sense but why not use an external drive or NAS? Apple charges a ridiculous amount for storage. I think this is the first video I have seen where someone recommended getting a terabyte. For the same price you could have so much more storage.
3:18 well that is not 256GB storage :(
The difference is SSD speed but we will not notice it
does anyone know if it's possible to use an imac m1 as a monitor for a mac mini?
luna display? duet?
@@glennthompson1971 is an option, but I wanted something simpler and more direct, like some kind of cable
question is should you get the M4 with 4 perf cores and 6 efficiently cores and upgrade to 32gb mem with 512gb ssd . OR upgrade to the m4 pro 12core with 8 perf cores and 4 effi cores and 24gig mem and 512 storage.. That's the dilemma i'm currently in.. They are clearly different beasts one is geared towards efficiently while the other is more in balance and leans towards performance. My cpu preferences lean towards the pro. But i like that the non pro version has the option of 32gig mem instead of 24 to 42gig. Also the mem bandwidth and SSD is better in the pro. But less mem is till less mem.
If go with the pro, the memory utilisation with apples is quite smart, but more cpu power is always useful!
@@CodexCommunity thanks i decided to go with the pro 12-core. Now deciding between 48 or 64 gig of memory. Working with VM’s eats up mem. In theorie 48 should allow me to do all the virtualization I need more would just be extra. Also i plan to use my mini for at least 5yr as long as i can...
Have to disagree on storage, I think sticking with 256 and getting an external ssd is cheaper.
Apple GPU can't be used to run llm because there is no cuda equivalent. It is sad that apple doesnt work with Nvidia for ai workload
Ollama if you’re planning on running local llm.
Great video.Would be cool future videos to please display metric widgets to provide more granular information on system usage across the board(e.g network,disk usage etc).
Very good demo of LLMs and other programming tools. It's a very good load test for mac mini m4
What about X-Code + iOS Sim + Android Studio + Android Sim, a most common case for React Native developer
kudos for the extra video work
Thank a lot, i'm fvcking finding m4 for coding.. :)))
If your going to buy storage and Ram then you might as well say no the base model is not acceptable and you may as well buy a pro version.
You can upgrade the ssd yourself in this mac
I’d say more ram but stay at 256 storage and just buy an external storage💯👍👍👍
That’s my planned route too
I'm running the base M4 Mac Mini with an external 4TB NVME SSD. Works great.
@@JayzBeerz That's a smart setup!
@@nextentrepreneur9288yes thank you. 🙏
Catch is 24 GB RAM start with 512 GB storage anyways.
great visuals for the intro!! i even like the rough edges where the cutout is not quite perfect!
I forwarded your video link to my CEO. I hope she will like it.
Is it good for cyber security student?
I am using it as a server that serves over 30k requests an hour while it sits in a corner on my desk. F U AWS.
How do you go about doing this? Don’t docker run a vm on Mac? Unless you’re not using docker
@@ysinghs Why not? Docker runs anything and the power consumption on an M4 is minimal. Works great actually.
@@bugged1212 It does for sure. I’m a fan of the power band too. But what I meant was you’d be able to pull more performance off without the overhead on a VM, which docker sort of forces on you when using a mac. A Linux box might’ve been better for a server deployment. Especially if you’re doing 30k req/hr
No way around using linux on an M4, overhead is negligible, mostly less than 12 watts consumed which is similar to a raspberry pi 5 running at max cpu.
Do your apps have that much traffic, or is that a number you got from benchmarking your server?
Why don't you show the RAM usage when having all of those tools running? 😉
If you need ram for vmware, you might as well use that money to buy a windows mini-pc.
New sub here. Great channel. Would you be so kind as to answer a few questions. I mostly use Final Cut Pro & Photoshop to create videos on my Billy Luna Crime Stories YT channel. I am working in 1080p, but plan to start working in 4k. Currently I am Using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SSD (2TB & 4TB) to edit off whilst using FCP. I like to use Final Cut Pro, Photoshop and 40 web browser tabs open simultaneously.
1) For my needs, which exact configuration of the new M4 Mac Mini should I get? (Pro or no, RAM, SSD) These are the two configurations that I have been mulling:
$1,079.00
Apple M4 chip with 10‑core CPU, 10‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
32GB unified memory
Or
$1,799.00
512GB SSD storage
Apple M4 Pro chip with 12‑core CPU, 16‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine
48GB unified memory
512GB SSD storage
2) Is there any speed or performance advantage in going with a 1 TB SSD vs 512?
3) Do I need to worry about fan noise when I’m recording on camera video or voice over?
So weird I'm looking at the same two configurations and can't decide, I have a similar use case too? I know the 512gb is faster than 256, not sure about the 1tb, I would get 512 and get an external for more space
Windows 11 Pro runs flawlessly on parallels
Hey , that's what my concerned was as how much out of 16 GB will it consume to run as smoothly as possible any hiccups noticed while executing apps on windows?
You basically wanna do everything with an entry level machine. Very hard to follow that reasoning. And yet, anything that was not obviously impossible did the entry level mac at least decent. Given that your workload required a 3000$ plus macbook pro in 2019 we are pretty well off today.
The 32GB memory ceiling for the base M4 is ridiculous. I'd pick one up if it had a 64GB option.
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You look like Mr beast
you didn't test much actual coding, esp how fast it runs vs other pc's for npm etc
every pc besides Apple allows connecting multiple displays, only Apple limits it artificially
LLM use is crippled by the ver slow load times and no Cuda
Apple's keyboard and mouse suck - which is why are you using a Logitech mouse, but you don't seem to be doing much coding with that terrible keyboard
there's still a huge Appple tax for minor upgrades - $400 extra for more ram/storage is a ripoff.
its a great little pc for everyday use and its great for video editing. not sure about coding.
Soo many mistakes and wrong numbers in this video
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I never understood how a 'coder' is OK with that tiny keyboard made for influencer barbies. just because that that palm-sized thing looks cool on a two-metre table? If there is something really requiring a full size keyboard, it is coding.
Have you perhaps ever heard of function keys, one key copy/paste, and keyboard shortcut combinations not requiring your toes ? you can't imagine how much more efficient and ergonomic it is
I can see why someone like you wouldnt understand
Nope, I code on my MacBook’s built in keyboard all day for work. Works perfectly fine for me though I get why many people prefer something more.
@@b5stephen Ok, ...at least on an external monitor? ...the other thing I don't understand is working on a tiny screen
@ haha yes, I’m an external screen user for sure.
More of preference. I ditched my full size keyboard with a 60 key one.