Are There Parts of German WW1 Warships in Space?
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Really cool that you researched into this, I was wondering if it turned out to be true. Thanks for the effort!
I think it would be cool if there were just big chunks of ship floating around in shape. Not repurposed into anything, just a hull floating through space.
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There's already tons upons tons of hulls floating in space. Not only from decomissioned satellites but also from upper stages of rockets. Those orbiting Earth you can find in satellite catalogs and can even see at night with a small scope.
It would be quite insane since the only chance that would ever happen is an explosion. Mostly magazine explosions, which has happened to a number of warships but I don't think any of them would of reached space.
That would be a great prank, just build an empty ship, just empty, and send off hurtling through space. Or building a pyramid on a moon, covering tablets with utter gibberish, just to maybe one day fuck with someone, a very human thing :D
Neurofied Yamato can they explode without oxygen?
GLORIOUS GERMAN SPACE BATTLESHIPS
Star wars: Germany's revenge.
I can see the anime girl versions already
Space Bismarck.
i thought the video would be about ships that blew up so spectacularly, that pieces of the ship would escape earths atmosphere and orbit it XD
same
Unfortunately no explosion is that powerful.
same xD
no "uncontrolled" explosion is that powerful ;)
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No, unfortunately that story is a myth. It was original told that the manhole cover was calculated as being fast enough that it _would_ have reached a suborbital flight, but a manhole cover is no where near aerodynamic enough to escape the atmosphere and very likely burned up shortly after being ejected. Plus my original point still stands, because there’s a difference between an explosion sending debri into orbit and and an explosion creating the pressure needed to send a single projectile into orbit.
This gives "Deutschland über alles" a whole new meaning.
No it doesn't. "Deutsch" means "common," thus "Deutschland" means "common land," or "shared land." Of course that meaning has changed over time. But to German speaking people, back when the song was written, "Deutschland ueber alles" is actually about German unification, as back then Germany was not a thing, there were a bunch of Germanic kingdoms. But there was a growing movement to unify them under one nation... And the song was an expression of that. Germany above all doesn't mean Germany above all nations, but Germany above all of the individual Germanic Kingdoms.
Bad Beard Bill just shut. The fuck. UP
I guess historical context isn't relevant anymore.
@@badbeardbill9956 I don't think you understood the point of the comment.
The comment was saying that 'Germany above all' can also refer to Germany being in space above the other countries!
@@موسى_7 The meaning of a phrase that has nothing to do with a chunk of metal does not change.
Also it's hard to infer things like that over text, you need more than just the words to get the context.
THE KAISERREICH LIVES ON IN SPACE.
HERRLICHER DEM KAISER!
FÜR GOTT, KAISER UND VATERLAND!
THE KAISER WILL RISE AGAIN!
Ja Ich bin living there with Kaiser and plotting Anschulß of Earth and Moon
NO, YOU MEAN HEAVEN
The german battleship Tirpitz is used today in roadwork. The plates turns out to be really well made, and are used as covers on roads.
When I first saw the video title I thought "Shreds of ship got blown out of the water so hard they flew into space". I was a bit dissapointed.
Colton Regal me too
Colton Regal Another myth states that during an underground nuclear test, the metal cover of the blast tunnel was blown off so hard it reached escape velocity
Cool Name it would probably burn up in the atmosphere as it would need around 13-15km/s to reach escape velocity. I thinks it's just not possible
My Mom was working as an intern at GE during Voyager 1& 2, she was in charge of procurement for the RTGs and other parts on both Voyagers. Proud of her... even when she downplays it as a smaller contribution to the projects
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this myth comes from a book, "The Grand Scuttle: The Sinking of the German Fleet at Scapa Flow in 1919" from author Dan Van Der Vat, and he has no evidence or source, but he says that and then the "low background steel" is in myths about moon, Voyager, Galileo, Pioneer, and everything.
The US, for example, has enough ships from WWI in museums to use as low background steel if they want, even the british doesn't need to rescue an old german WWI ship from Scapa Flow, they have their own reserves. But the myth... you know... is nice clickbait :P
The absolute best clickbait, so clickbait it made me spend a week researching whether it was true.
Real Engineering That gentlemen, is the right way to clickbait.
yes, it happened to me, i was about to write an article about this, thinking it was real, then i can't found a real source and ended with that damn book, a single line in the book, enough to a huge myth. Its amazing how powerful can be, nobody researches a damn thing, we live in a copypasta world. Thanks for your amazing videos! ;)
the point is that ships in museums are not under meters and meters of radiation shielding (water)
it makes sense logically, its just not factual.
but it doesn't work like that, the contamination in the steel comes from the air you inject when you melt it, an exposed piece of steel is not the problem.
When I read the title I thought it was going to be more like "Was a warship in WW1 or WW2 destroyed and was the detonation of the ammo cache powerful enough to send pieces of the ship into orbit"
Just letting you know that at 1:31, your carbon oxygen equation isn't balanced. You want to carbons on the LHS. No big deal, just pointing it out. Great video anyways.
I honestly don't know how I managed that. I copied the equations from the history of Iron and Steel video too, someone must have pointed it out there too.
I studied chemistry, I should know better.
none of them are balanced, including the manganese ones. It's irrelevant.
Joseph Allen he's an engineer. Engineering is all about precision of thought. Of course it's relevant, because he clearly takes pride in his work and an unbalanced equation is a slight imperfection. Imperfections in engineering can't really be tolerated so it's more about maintaining a mindset of accuracy and precision than the relevance of the equation itself.
Joseph Allen and the silicon dioxide one is balanced
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Yes, they say that dark side of the moon has a German military base ;)
Even as untrue as it is, thats a fun story. I love the idea that hitler could be living there, he'd only be what, 128 at this point.
+sparkplug1018 There's a 128-year-old man in Argentina who claims to be Hitler.
+Zorro9129 I've heard about that guy, if he's really 128, Hitler or not that's pretty awesome. But with his health problems he'd likely never seen 1947 much less 2017.
I bet the moonbase is made out of the sunken WW1 ships
As shown in the movie 'Iron Sky'
A place where low radiadion steel actually was used: in the 80s I was told at the Nuclear Medicine division of the local university they built a shielding chamber out of that for measuring the very low radiation of radioactive substances injected into patients. These are used to follow biochemical activity in the body. Today most of that has been replaced by FMRI, which wasn't available then.
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FYI: all the measurements of background radiation are not harmful, just barely detectable.
Sounds like a fetch quest in an MMO- "guardian, we need Steel untainted by Atom, go to the bowls of the ocean and retrieve us a shard"
Maybe that'll be a BoS quest in Fallout 5: Initiate/Knight/Paladin/Sentinel, we need some uncomtaminated steel for the T-60 Geiger Counters, dive down to these wrecks and bring back as much steel as possible, you will get 25 caps per pound you bring to us. Ad Victoriam Brother/Sister
So, Voyager may not have had an geiger counters on board, but Pioneer 10 and 11 did.
I personally handled many of these spares as we were testing them for use on a CubeSat I helped make called Explorer 1 prime. I don't recall exactly what material the metal used was, but it could have been steel.
If you look into the pioneer 10 geiger tube telescope (it's on wikipedia), there is a reference to a fairly detailed page at the university of Iowa. There are some references there to some articles in the Journal of Geophysics research about them, which was written by... James Van Allen.
If that doesn't come up with any hard conclusions I can try and see what the whereabouts of those spares are, and see if they are steel.
In the training workshop at British Steel Corporation in Sheffield in the early 70s there was a lathe we called the battleship lathe, it was salvaged from one of the ships at Scapa Flow
Such a cool topic.
Imagine, they made a 3sec. Video while saying "no it isn t, have a nice day"
Sounds like a Bill Wurtz video
Star wars: Germany's revenge.
I think someone should tell him that only 0.4% of background radiation is due to nuclear testing. Now sure that figure was higher in the past, but it was still only a tiny fraction and certainly not enough to cause insane measures to salvage old steel. And finally, theres a lot more steel than just old German warships. For the small amounts needed one could melt WW2 rifles for example which can actually be found incredibly cheaply. And finally specialist steel is already made in an inert atmosphere because its important to make sure things like cobalt don't contaminate the metal in concentrations higher than a few parts per million - not high enough to make any difference. And finally had they not done it a highly controlled atmosphere changing the alloy used from warship/rifle to the incredibly advanced alloys needed would introduce the exact same contaminants as making it from scratch. So no matter which way you slice it this is simply such a ridiculous tale. I'm just disappointed that he took the hard approach with hours of research rather than common sense to prove it's a lie.
It's not the radiation itself, it's that the detonations scattered isotopes that aren't found in nature due to their low half-life (so any created naturally would have decayed a long time ago), which then gets into the metal.
There's only a tiny amount of it around, so it doesn't increase radiation significantly. The issue is when it gets into the steel when it's being smelted. For extremely sensitive instruments, the miniscule amount of radiation given off by the trace amounts of radioactive particles in the metal can mess with readings.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel
Of course there are bits of WW1 ships in space. Anyone who plays KSP knows that if you crash hard enough, at least some part of your ship will get launched out of the solar system faster than the speed of light.
Yeah, I have a lander probe core that's about 77 yottameters away from Kerbol that was part of an Eve rover mission that went horribly wrong
I guessed the reason when I saw the title. There is a lot of old battleship plate around: no need to go undersea as surface contamination from radioactivity in the atmosphere would be small
At minute 3:18, I though "why the guy at the left is at the phone while is working?" after one second "oh, wait." , bloody phones XD
find it really impressive how Germany pretty much stood against the entire world both in WWI and WWII... Not trying to get into any debates on whether they were the villains but I find it really admirable!!!
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I knew about contamination,never thought it was this serious for space exploration.
Pieces of the German WW1 fleet didn't fly on the Voyagers, but something else that _did_ happen, is that pieces of the Twin Towers went to Mars. Small pieces of structural metal recovered from the wreckage of the towers after 9/11 were turned into cable shields on the rock abrasion tools of the Spirit and Opportunity rovers.
love the subject.And I've been to Scapa twice and dived those wrecks. but either learn to shop and cook, or get a takeaway/takeout
One aspect that may be contributing to the spread of this myth is the problem archaeologists are having in their fight with nuclear physicists for the lead out of ancient Roman ships who used it for ballast. In this case, the refined lead *is* much less radioactive, since the heavier elements often found with it is refined out, and the remaining radioactive lead isotopes which are some of the final decay products of the four radioactivity chains, which cannot be refined out since the refining processes for lead are primarily physical/chemical, and not very sensitive to nuclear differences, have finished decaying out. (Ok, Pb-202 has a half-life of 5000 or so years, Pb-205 has a half-life of 10 million years, and Pb-204 has a half-life of 10^17 years. They'll still be around. Most everything else is under 22 years, and consequently essentially long gone. 100 half-lives? Yeah, that's one atom in 10^30 of them still around...) ( www.scientificamerican.com/article/ancient-roman-lead-physics-archaeology-controversy/ )
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If you consider Wernher Braun literally invented the V2 and later on Saturn I, it's more likely nothing like a warship, it's most likely just some leftovers from earlier testings.
Please don't use clickbait titles. Your channel is way too good for that.
Before pressing 'play', I'm going to make a guess: Yes, they're in there because they needed pre-Atomic Age steel for the radiation-sensitive instruments on board.
I thought the video would be about the beggining of german space fleet.
Voyager's LECP and CRS instruments are both 'radiation detectors.' That's why they are mounted opposite the RTG, for distance and shielding. I do not know if they would be sensitive enough to be bothered by radioactive steel.
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There may or may not be any of that steel on Voyager, but we know for sure they used enough Reynolds wrap grounding all the electronics that they caused a brief shortage at supermarkets in Melbourne.
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This reminds me of the case of the material source for the CDMS dark matter detector in America. It had to be free of radioactive isotopes. So they used ancient lead ingots, recovered from sunken Roman cargo ships, that had been protected from radiation for centuries.
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That was my first though... "would there me any steel on the Voyagers AT ALL" but I'd forgotten about the RTGs
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Yes Scence all the atomic activity the metallurgy of things has changed
The scapa flow where the German fleet sank is the best option
The Pioneer spacecraft missions had Cosmic Ray Telescopes based on arrays of Geiger-Müller Tubes
Great video! Love your content :-)
But I'm a little confused @ 4:40 - You said that _Explorer 1 oddly found a much _*_lower cosmic ray level_*_ than expected,_ and _Dr. James Van Allen theorized this was caused by the _*_sensors becoming saturated_*_ by [the Van Allen belts]._
How does an oversaturated radiation sensor lead to lower cosmic rays (radiation) being discovered?
I'm not sure it's her era but Amy at Vintage Space might be able to help with information.
HA! I live in Kirkwall, 2 minutes away from Scapa Flow... been in the flow and the surrounding beaches many times. It's gorgeous.
The basic oxygen process (an evolution of the Bessemer process) uses only oxygen (Bessemer process steel has high volumes of nitrogen in them which makes the steel brittle) so unless you got steel from something like a reactor housing it's not going to have radioactive materials in it.
hey can you link the document of the voyager background @3:32 i would be interested in having a look.
Oh I was meaning to link that in the description. Here you go: ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810001583.pdf
So if for some reason the nuclear testing starts up again; would it be practical to stockpile steel under water, to shield it from background radiation?
Maybe just in bunkers instead so it doesn't rust
Just bury it.
If you think about it, Voyager 1 and 2 probes - the only few remnants of active 1970 technology - is currently drifting away into outer space and still sending signals back home. There's even a twitter account that regularly tweets updates on the probe's distance from Earth.
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At first I read "Are there German Warships in Space?" I was a little disappointed to find out that it was just ship parts, not space Nazis. Still very interesting though!
FYI, at 1:57 you mention that the "German Army" was ordered to scuttle the fleet. It would have been the Navy, not the Army. A minor detail. Overall, the video is extremely interesting and I quite enjoyed it :)
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I'm sure, in the 70's they had stockpiles of steel older than nuclear testing. No need to salvage old warship.
Initially I thought it was some theory about parts ejected out of orbit after some big ship explosion during the battle of Jutland or something of the kind, which would be so cool if it was true. There's that thing about a blast door ejected after a nuclear explosion, if I'm not wrong.
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You could nickname Scapa Flow..
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If low radiation steel is needed then it could be salvaged from virtually any pre -1945 shipwreck, military or civilian.
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I think the molten metal at 3:15 isn't steel or aluminum, but lead.
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You should see what we build out of old warships on the far side of the moon ...