It's so interesting to me to see how Ben changes his stance between talking to Bill Craig, a Christian, and talking to Alex O'connor, and atheist. Ben admits up front in the latter that the slavery condoned in the Bible is immoral. Anyone listening to this think Ben believes that? No. Totally different take when confronted with someone knowledgeable on the subject.
Indentured servitude applied only to Hebrew slaves, and Craig knows this. Under Mosaic law, foreign slaves were chattel slaves. They could be bought, sold, separated from their families, beaten, raped, killed, kept for life, and passed down as inherited property. Every specific reference to foreign slaves in the Bible is to deny them rights and protections afforded to Hebrew slaves. The treatment of foreign slaves was every bit as bad, or worse, than slavery in the Antebellum south. Craig is a liar.
Dr. Craig is correct in speaking about Jewish servitude. Foreign servitude in Jewish households was something different, however. Regardless, it still was nothing like slavery in the US and England. There were laws against abuse that affirm their intrinsic value as persons.
The Bible condones and promotes chattel slavery. Chattel slavery is defined as "the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work. Another definition is: "The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude." Leviticus 25 explicitly describes and condones chattel slavery. "44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. 45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. 46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour." If you have to lie to defend your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.
@dewaldt8104 They weren't. They were just some of the people that ended slavery. And they had to borrow from Humanist principles to do it. Explain why the Christians were the people who promoted slavery for more than a thousand years.
@@DruPetty42 I provided the context of chattel slavery. I provided the verses from the Bible that describe the same context. The Bible condones and promotes chattel slavery.
There was both kinds of slavery, but what we have towards Christ is indentured servants but called slaves then. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
What do you mean there was both kinds of slavery? Do you think God would be ok with kidnapping people, murdering them, raping and enslaving them? Or do you mean something else? I don’t want to assume.
It's so interesting to me to see how Ben changes his stance between talking to Bill Craig, a Christian, and talking to Alex O'connor, and atheist. Ben admits up front in the latter that the slavery condoned in the Bible is immoral. Anyone listening to this think Ben believes that? No. Totally different take when confronted with someone knowledgeable on the subject.
Excellent point by WLC.
Indentured servitude applied only to Hebrew slaves, and Craig knows this.
Under Mosaic law, foreign slaves were chattel slaves. They could be bought, sold, separated from their families, beaten, raped, killed, kept for life, and passed down as inherited property. Every specific reference to foreign slaves in the Bible is to deny them rights and protections afforded to Hebrew slaves. The treatment of foreign slaves was every bit as bad, or worse, than slavery in the Antebellum south.
Craig is a liar.
Dr. Craig is correct in speaking about Jewish servitude. Foreign servitude in Jewish households was something different, however. Regardless, it still was nothing like slavery in the US and England. There were laws against abuse that affirm their intrinsic value as persons.
The Bible condones and promotes chattel slavery.
Chattel slavery is defined as "the enslaving and owning of human beings and their offspring as property, able to be bought, sold, and forced to work. Another definition is: "The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude."
Leviticus 25 explicitly describes and condones chattel slavery.
"44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."
If you have to lie to defend your beliefs, it is time to get new beliefs.
@dewaldt8104
They weren't. They were just some of the people that ended slavery. And they had to borrow from Humanist principles to do it.
Explain why the Christians were the people who promoted slavery for more than a thousand years.
Need more context than just a few verses from the bible. Anyone can take a few verses and make accusations.
@@DruPetty42
I provided the context of chattel slavery.
I provided the verses from the Bible that describe the same context.
The Bible condones and promotes chattel slavery.
@@cygnusustus The context should be the chapter, not just a few verses.
@@DruPetty42
The chapter is 25, child.
Thankyou;
There was both kinds of slavery, but what we have towards Christ is indentured servants but called slaves then.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
What do you mean there was both kinds of slavery? Do you think God would be ok with kidnapping people, murdering them, raping and enslaving them? Or do you mean something else? I don’t want to assume.
@@gfujigo
"Do you think God would be ok with kidnapping people, murdering them, raping and enslaving them? "
Yes, in fact, He was.
The bible does not endourse slavery, but it does regulate it.
There was no ancient Isreal.
Isreal is the name of prophet Jacob (peace be upon him).
Not a state.