No its the opposite because i saw this video from years ago a brazzer video actually where the jock aggressively became a wingman for the nerd trapping him in the cheerleaders locker then the hottest cheerleader fell for him and had sex with him. JOCKS ARE NERDS, NERDS ARE JOCKS.
It isn’t about looking down upon the rich, it’s about looking down upon bullying. There’s also the fact that the jocks are from families with inherited wealth whereas the nerds are on a path to become rich once the boundaries of the school system, whose social sphere is built around status from insignificant virtues such as athleticism and daddy’s money. You shouldn’t look to become any of these characters. That’s very restricting. You need to smarten up, and borrow the nerds ability to stand strong with your own identity, and learn that when you are in the position of the jock it’s important to treat people with respect even though you have more money, better physique etc. You should never try to fit in with a stereotype when it’s the only thing presented.
As someone who is a Jock and a Nerd I can kind of see the point your trying to make. Where you start is something I take issue with, as you're removing agency. Athleticism is not an insignificant virtue, it takes a lot of work to get that way. To classify jocks as just being from wealthy families and nerds being poor is so far off the mark it taints the better point you make at the end.
@@jasonj4865 I think the problem is that I restrict myself to the movies, and then build up an argument. Jocks and nerds are portrayed differently in the movies than reality, as the movies are built upon stereotypes and use their creative freedom to remove all complexity. To assume one background for these characters, would be like only associating yourself with only one of them, which goes against my point in the end. I agree that jocks come from different backgrounds as well as nerds. When it comes to athleticism, it is not insignificant at all. It’s insignificant to the nerd (he should be healthy, but athleticism isn’t a value for him), and insignificant to building status. But athleticism is an important part of health. The value it has, and the way it builds a foundation for bullying in these movies, makes it insignificant in the context of the movies. If I weren’t talking about these movies I would say something along the lines of you what you said, because you’re obviously aware of the complexity of man
Not all “jocks” are like that. A lot of schools don’t even have cliques like that anymore they got social circles and shit. What I mean is people aren’t grouping together the same anymore, you can have a group with football players druggies cheer girls “nerds” all together. The biggest assholes in my school were the popular smart kids tbh, I guess they were “preps” but they weren’t because they were nerds they just had money.
@delvismallory6184 in my experience. Jocks or the people i knew classified in those categories were often people who came from poor sometimes abusive families. Many of them who were my friends tried to use sports like football or basketball as a way to escape poverty. While others used it to train themselves. To avoid being drawn in to the harmful influences around them. While some used it as a way to cope, an escape from their abuse parents. While on the other hand a lot of nerds i knew came from well off families. They weren't rich or high middle class they were just able to afford a lot more things. Most nerds i knew were either socially awkward. Drew alot of anime and played card games. Or were cool and kind people, some who were even in sports teams. And hella brolic. There were jocks who were nerds who played basketball and Yu-Gi-Oh. Well that's my own experience i know there's other peoples experience that are completely different than mine. By assigning people into those roles of jocks and nerds is limiting. They are their own people who were just trying to survive. They all have their own problems, experiences that made them who they are. We don't have to fall into one category, accept the roles we are given. We can make our own. Like videos games we are customizable characters. The difference is our future isn't predetermined by some coding, it's made by us
@@MonkeNandayoo that's a nice opinion you have there. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do than take issue with an inane comment. Sad face emoji for you.
Yeah that's the point of the jock Vs nerd dynamic. It's not glorifying being weak it's (as even he said) a story of the underdog, hence the weak one becoming strong and conquering thru perseverance. Everyone hates the jock not because he's naturally talented, tall and handsome but because he's a total POS, hence the need for balance and responsibility when given a privilege.
It makes sense that the nerds are protagonists. Nerds are smarter and most movie writers or directors relate to nerds more or maybe were nerds themselves. In the times when these people were in highschool, nerds were definitely looked down on and made fun of by jocks, so of course movies based on high school will reflect an exaggerated version of this norm. The point isn't valuing the weakness of the nerd, but overcoming adversity. Rooting for the underdog is rooting for someone to overcome difficulty and being strong. Discouraging bullying from the jocks isn't the same as writing off better people instead of learning from what they're successful at. It's not embracing incompetence and weakness, it's praising how nerds or the underdog can overcome adversity
I'm the nerd that values the jock, and in return, they value me. It doesn't necessarily have to be nerd against jocks; foils can work as strong compliments.
Nah, you'll never be 100% jock nor 100% nerd. No matter how nerdy you can be, you'll always have a bit of jock-yness in you. And vice versa (this is more often actually).
@@LelakiKerdus I wish I still had a bit of jock in me, but I was hospitalized trying to get a job as a groundskeeper. I can troubleshoot and computer problems you have though.
@@LelakiKerdusthere aren't two kinds of males in this world there are many personalities, a jock and nerd are just some of the few personalities, there are more we don't have to fit into one of these categories there are more personalities and just to remind you humans are very unique and every person is different from another, it's not about being a jock or being a nerd it's about being yourself, jocks and nerds are the highly exaggerated versions of us
inherited wealth is nothing to respect. you're just flat out wrong here. rooting for the underdog isn't valuing weakness, it's valuing strength of character. it's valuing never giving up and persevering despite the advantage being with someone else. you thought you said something profound but really you just missed the point entirely.
I understand where you are coming from, he just gave the wrong example of a stereotypical rich white teen, a better example would be like a jealous or incompetent person who always criticizes you when you are doing good in life , for example "You study to much, these classes mean nothing ", " you are always after money ." ,"you are spending too much time in gym.", "why did you get married, live life bro.", "just quit your job and enjoy", etc so you can come down to their level and they feel comfortable .
I’m afraid you may be the one actually missing the point. He’s criticizing automatic rejection of charm and strength to one’s own detriment. Are there jocks of low character? Nobody disputes that. Are there good ones who worked hard to get where they are? Hollywood would have you automatically think “no,” and miss out on some great things they can teach us. Sincerely, A nerd
I now and I agree aswell, but the only reason that they show nerds as the protagonist is because many of them are weak, antisocial, asocial, they show us that even a weak antisocial can change himself to fight against people who are strong and very social, it just shows us that no matter how weak you are you can change yourself, if the jock was shown as the protagonist then just think what the story would be, you can't because it's isn't gonna be entertaining or uplifting, we value those who work on themselves to conquer what they want im not saying that jocks don't work on their physic but since they are naturally more social and strong they aren't casted as the main character, whereas nerds are the complete opposite and if they change themselves it will be more appreciated than someone who is naturally more strong and social
@@ArtisticDove..... Just cause someone is considered a nerd doesn't mean they're antisocial and that's not the point of those movies, it's literally just underdog stories, the jock has the advantages, the nerd doesn't and has to overcome struggle throughout the movie to get what they want, more social acceptance, the girl, something like that.
@@JWuKong95 well I'm talking to someone online it's not like I have pressure on myself to reply fast I can reply in days, that's why I can easily text but I find it hard to actually talk more
Unfortunately media has an effect on everyone some more than others. That's why alternative media like this is important it's counterculture counter blue pill simp thinking.
Why does one have to be better than the other? We all have different strengths and weaknesses, that's why society works better/can accomplish far more when we work together... in my opinion, of course. People also have different partner preferences.. as an example, some would rather have highly intellectual or active partners over those that put all their time & money into looks, and there's nothing wrong with that.
We all have different strengths but only a few matter. Being consistent , hardworking and acceptance is the only strength that can be useful. The idea of working together to cover each other's gigantic weakness only creates a sinkhole. If everyone works to become capable then setting a system would be far easier.
I disagree with this video tho. Highschool jocks are mosty jerks. And the only social skill they have is gaining power by suppressing others. This could work in high school but in social life they end up being toxic and generally lag behind nerds, because nerds maybe shy but they focus on getting things done. That get them farther in life
Yea i agree. This video is trying way too hard to be contrarian. Its very obvious that the nerd usually has to "safe the world" to prove/test his strength and courage. Themes like that come and go with the times, they arent "values of a soceity"
The thing is, a high school and a community in general is like an ecosystem. Every person in that ecosystem has their own social standing including the nerds and jocks. Once the nerd graduates and goes to college, they are placed into a new ecosystem, thus leveling the playing field. This allows the need to come into his or her own true self.
It’s funny that you use nerds vs. jocks to make a comparison to wealthy and poor. If we look at a stereotypical jock from the 80’s up to the early 2000’s, they’re portrayed as stupid. Whereas nerds are portrayed as smart. Arguably, nerds are better equipped to get into a specialized career that pays good money. Meanwhile, less than 1% of athletes make it into the NFL. Jocks have to find their career path after high school and college, whereas nerds tend to already have a career path lined up that is much more realistic to achieve. IT is quickly becoming one of the highest paying professions, and it’s dominated by nerds.
@@rw7717 Yes they do. The sheer lack of regulation on tech companies is a prime example. The old world order was overthrown by anti social tech bros who wear t-shirts and sandals to the office.
I was a nerd. I remember so clearly -- my high-end English AP course was conducted in the same room used by the school coach, and some class for jocks, -- don't know what it was. But I remember, written in very large letters at the front of the class, were the words from the coach I'd never met had written for his class: "YOUR I-WILL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR I-Q." I wrote the words on my heart, and reflect on them often.
@@JWuKong95 What’s hard to believe? That I was a nerd? That I had an AP English class? That the room was shared between staff? That the coach had those words placed at the front of the classroom? That I took them to heart? What’s the difficult step here?
You need to be both. Have the knowledge, intelligence, and curiosity of the nerd and the athletism, confidence, and competitive nature of the jock. Whichever of these traits you aren't naturally born with you should strive to improve upon.
In the old movies, the jock was still and didn't change till his world view was shattered. The nerd made the conscious decision to change to reach his goal. The end goal is not to become the jock or nerd but someone better, a man. Someone willing to learn, adapt and overcome.
Jocks usually end up in dead beat jobs, the nerds are usually the bosses who climb the ladder because of their hard work and intelligence. Jocks think they can go through life on their looks and dont make the effort, they usually mistreat women were as nerds gain confidence the older they get and once they have the girl they're usually in long term relationships because they know how to treat a woman.
never separate the warriors and the thinkers. become the jock and the nerd at the same time and you’ll be surprised by your own capabilities it’ll make your head spin
In Bully (the game) some factions like the Jocks, The preps, and the Nerds get explored, showing us each of their strengths and weaknesses Even though some of it is just for comedy I learn so much for them, I learn my weaknesses in highschool and actually become better
I mean I think a lot of people see that trope as more as rising above something that put you down. Like the nerd always makes their own path and beats the dude who bullies them
I was never into organized sports and I was always strong and fast. I was also great in school and feel I received a true gift. I was and am the "jock" nerd. Never was bullied, but stopped bullies, had loads of friends across the spectrum and helped those jock types actually learn and pass their classes. I will never be rich but am successful. I wouldn't want to be rich, just comfortable with my wife and son.
SAME. I don’t know why but usually it’s the nerds who were the cry bullies or they’d get easily annoyed. Not all nerds but a lot of them. Meanwhile the jocks in my school got good grades, were helpful to those around them and were actually really friendly.
I feel a lot of people missed the point. It's not a nerd versus jock or a smart versus strong. It's the character or personality presented. Most of the time, the protagonist is simply a caring person with morals and the ability to overcome. Shia LaBeouf's character in Transformers, a nerd, can even be compared to Goku, a jock. Both are compassionate about protecting others. Both care deeply about family and bonds outside of blood. Both are willing to accept help from other but prefer to do things on their own terms. Both offer mercy to those who have wronged them. Both hold the previous actors to higher standards than others. Most of all, both dig deep to overcome the obstacles in front of them. They just do their own things in different ways. TLDR: Be caring but strong, forgive but never forget, and always know that no challenge is too great to overcome.
It’s actually funny because, in my school, the jocks were usually really smart guys that pretty much everyone liked. The nerds weren’t typically the super smart/likable underdogs portrayed in movies.
I find that those roles are very loosely defined and diverge quickly after high school. I was a nerd friends with other nerds but was still friends with some jocks. Some of the nerds continued to be socially awkward and became resentful of everyone else, fell behind in college and have become part of today's blue haired crowd, the constant victim that tries to control everyone else. Other nerds like myself grew up and developed good social skills and grew into a different crowd of friends, I guess I became sort of a jock. Some jocks who were popular became even better, nicer, smarter and more successful people than any of the nerds were, still a few jocks fell behind and live in a trailer park now. It's funny how differently they grew than what I expected. I didn't really receive any bullying to speak of but there were some bullies and most of them are in jail, with a couple being good people now.
Jocks in my high school were the biggest show offs. I was made fun of and bullied by them, and then my junior year, I decided to make a change. I started to run every day and do body movements and exercises to become more flexible and stronger. After 1 tough year of this, I became really fit. The bullies left me alone because they could see the achievements I was getting.
A good man should be right in between nerd and jock. Smart and empathetic and also rugged and strong. That's what I looked for in a man, and what i found. Happily married for 17 years now!
Don't be the nerd that beats the jock, become the better jock that actually represents personal development and success through hard work instead of using it to bully people.
I spent 8 years in the military and not once was the nerd the guy to motivate a group of men to go into a situation with very few positive outcomes. That’s just my experience
The richest guys are the nerds though. Nerds in movies are the under dog who uses their greatest strengths (intelligence and will) to climb up. But jocks aren't bad people either but it's easy to make a jock villain because they are in a posistion of power while nerds traditionally aren't, least not as kids. Now these are stereotypes and by now a little outdated but still work well in school settings
I was both. At the same time. My advice is not to focus on jock or nerd labeling or competition between the two but to embrace the things you enjoy. Intellectual pursuits are equally as important as physical competition and both have something to teach in several aspects of life.
I 100000000% agree with this. I remember once upon a time for most of my experience throughout highschool, I was a quiet and very socially awkward nerd type (I say type, because I focused on school, but I wasn’t particularly intelligent or enthusiastic, I just worked hard to try and impress my parents) of kid who despised a lot of the popular guys on the football team who were very popular and good with women to which I built an incel like inferiority complex. Come end of my summer before Gr. 11 I was getting tired of being bored and alone with school all the time (especially because I still didn’t get the grades I wanted even with all the hard work) so I decided, fuck it I was gonna join the football team and see how it panned out. Suffice to say it was the greatest decision of my life, and to see the love and support of guys on the team because my diligence and love for the sport felt like such a humbling uno reverse to what I thought would happened (I thought they would just reject me and make a joke of me because of who I was before that). It was even more humbling than the nerds who always looked down on me for my performance in school whereas the jocks kept encouraging me to work hard and have my back in any situation whereas the nerds didn’t give a single fuck (which is very ironic because the nerds are the “good” guys typically in these movie narratives you mention). Fast forward many years later, I ended playing uni football (started an entire season) where I also met many great people and turned out to be more of a confident social butterfly (on my team, throughout the campus, and other varsity teams) and made a tremendous leap in both my mental and physical health. Had I not joined a football team and become a jock, I’m very certain my life would taken a very dark, resentful, and weak path. Don’t fall for the bullshit stereotypes in movies about jocks and nerds, because the I’ve made much more meaningful and mature relationships from the “asshole” jocks as opposed to the “shy” and “nice” needs that these bullshit movies portray
Sam from transformers is different, he's witty, quick, and very likeable, when you look at a nerd, you think of an unattractive or weak, socially dumb teen, and while Sam is definitely not the jock, he's definitely more in the gray then any one side, plus nostalgia for those movies kicked in a little bit while writing this, but you gotta admit I'm atleast 50% right
My view, is that the jock does not participate in critical thought but has confidence. And the nerd has little or no confidence but always uses critical thought. As they both grow into their selfs, the need gains confidence and also performs critical thought, where the jock maintains his confidence and never has to use critical thought. So I inspire to be the need who learns confidence
I think people like these tropes where the guy gets the girl because in the beginning the guy is portrayed as a weakling. But throughout the story, the guy (hopefully) betters themself through difficult events or simply realizing they need to be better to accomplish what they want. In transformers, it happened to be space robots coming to earth to make Shia LeBeouf’s character more desirable because he wasn’t born to be a winner like the jocks of the story. He earned his win by repeatedly proving himself time and time again. Even though he made mistakes throughout the movies, he always ends up trying to do the right thing and fix his mistakes and learn from them. These are admirable qualities that some people may be born with, but he wasn’t and picked himself up from it.
I went to a school where the band kids were more socially respected than the jocks 😂 in a lot of ways it almost seemed like the jocks were the underdogs.
I love that most people always kiss A.P's ass for whatever subject about how he's so insightful but now that he's talking about how being a nerd doesn't necessarily make you better than a jock people are like "oh wait actually you're wrong".
It a twisting of the popular naritave of the "erogant Prince" or Saul and David essentially. The rich by inheritance creates an imbalance that must be corrected by the competent.
The jock in my high-school was one of the kindest people there. He didn't tolerate people being picked on. Sadly he got bullied the last half of his senior year. I did my best to stick up for him and make him feel included and cared about like he did for me in the prior years.
Or the narrative of "nerds, one day you'll be the jock/bullys boss because you're smarter and they're dumb." But a study found that jocks/bullys generally end up more successful because they're seen as more confident and outgoing. Both of those characteristics are incredibly useful in sales, business, marketing.
I honestly see is as the nerd is mentally strong and a smart person who is able to get themselves out of tough situations when the jock is just physically strong which can only get you so far. The nerd doesn’t have to be ugly they just have to be different from the rest. Someone who thinks differently are the ones who go far in life. Those are the rich and successful.
Henry calvill is the perfect mix between a nerdy guy with personality and a jock with respect and humility. We Should find people that have these qualities and embrace ourself in search of learning said qualities, only then you can change yourself, mentally first then physically.
To be fair, it's easier for audience to sympathize with a Nerd than a Jock. Weakling to Strongman is much appreciated than a strongman to an even stronger strongman.
I always saw it as Cleverness and Adaptability is just as useful as Physical Strength. As Charles Darwin noted, "It is not the strongest of the species that survives but the one most adapted to change."
I agree with most things I see on this chanel but this one makes an exception. Most nerds in those movies show bravery, loyalty, love, intelligence and a lot of other qualities when the other person just has looks This has inspired me to work on my personal development growing up instead of my looks. It doesn't hurt to have abbs and be strong once you are a good person
My outlook is even more depressing. Oftentimes those that were somewhat oppressed grow to be even worse than their previous oppressors as some may grow up learning to explain their suffering to themselves, or even „sanctify” it to ease their pain. Some may fall to the viewpoint which normalises being oppressive (as plenty of youths naturally are when being in the unchecked stronger position than others and stronger emotional drives, passions and pursuits without the proper baggage of experience) The brutality of life thusly enables the strong to freely learn how to become more self-restrained, compassionate, chill and gentle towards others, how to basically become less unnecesairly harmful and oppressive, while those who were oppressed by others in their earlier lives might have been getting the opposite type of lessons -learning slowly how to start excercising their own power more freely, yet still lacking the perspective, experience and potential regret for accidentally brought unnecessary harm upon others which they would already otherwise possess. Basically, those who enjoyed more freedom than others early had more opportunities to see and better understand the consequences of such freedom, while those who didn’t might lack such early perspective and developed sense of responsibility and caution. The key word is „may” -there obviously is a whole range of non-reflective and uncaring psychopaths that could even double down on such harmful mindsets and spiral further into rationalising their own shittiness, or just have a select group of people towards whom they are not going to be psychopathic against, while still being asshats to enyone else -that is also common. Be healthy! 💜
@@durango7142 nah bRo this here is a fucking Chad. He always gets things right 10/10. Us incels who "talk" about things are the nerds who get beat up in school.
As someone who was tormented DAILY by jocks but technically being one myself (I played field hockey, basketball and softball but was goth and therefore "weird" and playing the flute didn't help either....thanks "American Pie"!) It's about the way jocks treated others. They can be straight up ass holes! My own teammates purposely would not tell me about they stuff they would do the nights before game days so I wouldn't show up! Stuff like the team would have a sleep over at the coaches house and they would all make pizza or spaghetti together for dinner than watch movies. But because I dyed my hair black and painted my nails black and wore Doc Martin's I was deemed the odd one out and never felt like part of the team because of it. But flash forward 2 years after high school and those same bitches that made fun of me were now dying their hair black painting their nails black and wearing Doc Martin's because all that was suddenly fashionable. So yeah if you are or were a jock that hurt others you can piss the hell right off! Signed, A fellow jock
I spent years convinced I should hate the rich until I met my (now) husband who grew up with money. Over time I began to realize that I'd been brainwashed to live in poverty like it was some kind of value to hold. I'm grateful every day that I don't think that way anymore. I've experienced so much by not villianizing wealth any longer.
I know you’re speaking facts but I just want to say, the underdog rising makes for a greater more enjoyable story 😄…even if it’s not necessarily something good to embrace.
Not about glorifying weakness, its about uplifting intelligence.
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And maybe not being mean and making someone’s life miserable for 4 years
No its the opposite because i saw this video from years ago a brazzer video actually where the jock aggressively became a wingman for the nerd trapping him in the cheerleaders locker then the hottest cheerleader fell for him and had sex with him.
JOCKS ARE NERDS, NERDS ARE JOCKS.
Maybe, but I'm going to live like an intelligent athlete and y'all can argue over which is better.
It isn’t about looking down upon the rich, it’s about looking down upon bullying. There’s also the fact that the jocks are from families with inherited wealth whereas the nerds are on a path to become rich once the boundaries of the school system, whose social sphere is built around status from insignificant virtues such as athleticism and daddy’s money. You shouldn’t look to become any of these characters. That’s very restricting. You need to smarten up, and borrow the nerds ability to stand strong with your own identity, and learn that when you are in the position of the jock it’s important to treat people with respect even though you have more money, better physique etc. You should never try to fit in with a stereotype when it’s the only thing presented.
As someone who is a Jock and a Nerd I can kind of see the point your trying to make. Where you start is something I take issue with, as you're removing agency. Athleticism is not an insignificant virtue, it takes a lot of work to get that way. To classify jocks as just being from wealthy families and nerds being poor is so far off the mark it taints the better point you make at the end.
@@jasonj4865 I think the problem is that I restrict myself to the movies, and then build up an argument. Jocks and nerds are portrayed differently in the movies than reality, as the movies are built upon stereotypes and use their creative freedom to remove all complexity. To assume one background for these characters, would be like only associating yourself with only one of them, which goes against my point in the end. I agree that jocks come from different backgrounds as well as nerds. When it comes to athleticism, it is not insignificant at all. It’s insignificant to the nerd (he should be healthy, but athleticism isn’t a value for him), and insignificant to building status. But athleticism is an important part of health. The value it has, and the way it builds a foundation for bullying in these movies, makes it insignificant in the context of the movies. If I weren’t talking about these movies I would say something along the lines of you what you said, because you’re obviously aware of the complexity of man
Not all “jocks” are like that. A lot of schools don’t even have cliques like that anymore they got social circles and shit. What I mean is people aren’t grouping together the same anymore, you can have a group with football players druggies cheer girls “nerds” all together. The biggest assholes in my school were the popular smart kids tbh, I guess they were “preps” but they weren’t because they were nerds they just had money.
@@yayotheswagifier123 I’m talking about the movies, not real life
@delvismallory6184 in my experience. Jocks or the people i knew classified in those categories were often people who came from poor sometimes abusive families. Many of them who were my friends tried to use sports like football or basketball as a way to escape poverty. While others used it to train themselves. To avoid being drawn in to the harmful influences around them. While some used it as a way to cope, an escape from their abuse parents. While on the other hand a lot of nerds i knew came from well off families. They weren't rich or high middle class they were just able to afford a lot more things. Most nerds i knew were either socially awkward. Drew alot of anime and played card games. Or were cool and kind people, some who were even in sports teams. And hella brolic. There were jocks who were nerds who played basketball and Yu-Gi-Oh. Well that's my own experience i know there's other peoples experience that are completely different than mine. By assigning people into those roles of jocks and nerds is limiting. They are their own people who were just trying to survive. They all have their own problems, experiences that made them who they are. We don't have to fall into one category, accept the roles we are given. We can make our own. Like videos games we are customizable characters. The difference is our future isn't predetermined by some coding, it's made by us
Strong nerds are the best outcome
Merge the emotion of the jock with the intelligence of a nerd…you get “someone” and not “somebody”
As someone who is a Jock and a Nerd I approve this message.
@@MonkeNandayoo says you. I do what I want.
swimmers tend to be of this description in my experience
@@MonkeNandayoo that's a nice opinion you have there. I'm sorry you have nothing better to do than take issue with an inane comment. Sad face emoji for you.
@@jasonj4865actual gigachad response, you proved your point 🗿
I always find the nerd trope as showing example of how someone who’s weak can become strong himself through effort and passion
Yeah that's the point of the jock Vs nerd dynamic. It's not glorifying being weak it's (as even he said) a story of the underdog, hence the weak one becoming strong and conquering thru perseverance.
Everyone hates the jock not because he's naturally talented, tall and handsome but because he's a total POS, hence the need for balance and responsibility when given a privilege.
It makes sense that the nerds are protagonists. Nerds are smarter and most movie writers or directors relate to nerds more or maybe were nerds themselves. In the times when these people were in highschool, nerds were definitely looked down on and made fun of by jocks, so of course movies based on high school will reflect an exaggerated version of this norm. The point isn't valuing the weakness of the nerd, but overcoming adversity. Rooting for the underdog is rooting for someone to overcome difficulty and being strong. Discouraging bullying from the jocks isn't the same as writing off better people instead of learning from what they're successful at. It's not embracing incompetence and weakness, it's praising how nerds or the underdog can overcome adversity
You can tell straight away this guy has never been bullied in his life.
I'm the nerd that values the jock, and in return, they value me. It doesn't necessarily have to be nerd against jocks; foils can work as strong compliments.
Nah, you'll never be 100% jock nor 100% nerd. No matter how nerdy you can be, you'll always have a bit of jock-yness in you.
And vice versa (this is more often actually).
@@LelakiKerdus I wish I still had a bit of jock in me, but I was hospitalized trying to get a job as a groundskeeper. I can troubleshoot and computer problems you have though.
@@LelakiKerdusthere aren't two kinds of males in this world there are many personalities, a jock and nerd are just some of the few personalities, there are more we don't have to fit into one of these categories there are more personalities and just to remind you humans are very unique and every person is different from another, it's not about being a jock or being a nerd it's about being yourself, jocks and nerds are the highly exaggerated versions of us
inherited wealth is nothing to respect. you're just flat out wrong here. rooting for the underdog isn't valuing weakness, it's valuing strength of character. it's valuing never giving up and persevering despite the advantage being with someone else. you thought you said something profound but really you just missed the point entirely.
I understand where you are coming from, he just gave the wrong example of a stereotypical rich white teen, a better example would be like a jealous or incompetent person who always criticizes you when you are doing good in life , for example "You study to much, these classes mean nothing ", " you are always after money ." ,"you are spending too much time in gym.", "why did you get married, live life bro.", "just quit your job and enjoy", etc so you can come down to their level and they feel comfortable .
@@adityasubhedar9556 so... he gave the wrong example, meaning, the video is wrong
He’s also arguing something completely different. Whilst you are arguing about “nerd” vs “jock” he is arguing about the “underdog” vs “the champion”
I’m afraid you may be the one actually missing the point. He’s criticizing automatic rejection of charm and strength to one’s own detriment.
Are there jocks of low character? Nobody disputes that. Are there good ones who worked hard to get where they are? Hollywood would have you automatically think “no,” and miss out on some great things they can teach us.
Sincerely,
A nerd
@@cdevidal I didn't miss any points, he tried to say something profound but it was insecure, insincere bullshit.
What I hate about the stereotype is that it sort of paints all strong/athletic guys as assholes even though a lot of them are super nice.
I now and I agree aswell, but the only reason that they show nerds as the protagonist is because many of them are weak, antisocial, asocial, they show us that even a weak antisocial can change himself to fight against people who are strong and very social, it just shows us that no matter how weak you are you can change yourself, if the jock was shown as the protagonist then just think what the story would be, you can't because it's isn't gonna be entertaining or uplifting, we value those who work on themselves to conquer what they want im not saying that jocks don't work on their physic but since they are naturally more social and strong they aren't casted as the main character, whereas nerds are the complete opposite and if they change themselves it will be more appreciated than someone who is naturally more strong and social
@@ArtisticDove..... Just cause someone is considered a nerd doesn't mean they're antisocial and that's not the point of those movies, it's literally just underdog stories, the jock has the advantages, the nerd doesn't and has to overcome struggle throughout the movie to get what they want, more social acceptance, the girl, something like that.
@@JWuKong95 yeah but many actually are, including me
@@ArtisticDove The more you talk about being antisocial online, the less likely it's actually true, goes the same for pretty much anything like that
@@JWuKong95 well I'm talking to someone online it's not like I have pressure on myself to reply fast I can reply in days, that's why I can easily text but I find it hard to actually talk more
If people get life lessons from Hollywood or media in general, they are already too doomed.
not really, people get their life experience from everywhere, literally. unconsciously. that's why it's called *life* experience
So did you get a life experience from this video? If that so your are doom base on your own saying.
Unfortunately media has an effect on everyone some more than others. That's why alternative media like this is important it's counterculture counter blue pill simp thinking.
this is not about cultural myths, its just that everyone loves an underdog
The nerds are the richest people in the world.
elon musk lmao
His name is literally Bill 💵 Gates 😅
And they are causing most of our problems
@@superhalokiller666jocks would cause much more havoc
@@justgarfield9721
Not at global scale. Best they can do is messing local neighborhood.
Ah yes, I'd also like to learn how to be born handsome
Why does one have to be better than the other?
We all have different strengths and weaknesses, that's why society works better/can accomplish far more when we work together... in my opinion, of course.
People also have different partner preferences.. as an example, some would rather have highly intellectual or active partners over those that put all their time & money into looks, and there's nothing wrong with that.
We all have different strengths but only a few matter. Being consistent , hardworking and acceptance is the only strength that can be useful. The idea of working together to cover each other's gigantic weakness only creates a sinkhole. If everyone works to become capable then setting a system would be far easier.
Being a nerd doesn't mean you are weak, it means that you specialise in something specific.
"Sir i just asked if you wanted a drink while you watched your movie"
I disagree with this video tho. Highschool jocks are mosty jerks. And the only social skill they have is gaining power by suppressing others. This could work in high school but in social life they end up being toxic and generally lag behind nerds, because nerds maybe shy but they focus on getting things done. That get them farther in life
Yea i agree. This video is trying way too hard to be contrarian. Its very obvious that the nerd usually has to "safe the world" to prove/test his strength and courage. Themes like that come and go with the times, they arent "values of a soceity"
The thing is, a high school and a community in general is like an ecosystem. Every person in that ecosystem has their own social standing including the nerds and jocks. Once the nerd graduates and goes to college, they are placed into a new ecosystem, thus leveling the playing field. This allows the need to come into his or her own true self.
It’s funny that you use nerds vs. jocks to make a comparison to wealthy and poor. If we look at a stereotypical jock from the 80’s up to the early 2000’s, they’re portrayed as stupid. Whereas nerds are portrayed as smart. Arguably, nerds are better equipped to get into a specialized career that pays good money. Meanwhile, less than 1% of athletes make it into the NFL. Jocks have to find their career path after high school and college, whereas nerds tend to already have a career path lined up that is much more realistic to achieve. IT is quickly becoming one of the highest paying professions, and it’s dominated by nerds.
Yeah, he’s totally lost with this narrative. Tech nerds rules the world.
@@rw7717 Yes they do. The sheer lack of regulation on tech companies is a prime example. The old world order was overthrown by anti social tech bros who wear t-shirts and sandals to the office.
I was a nerd. I remember so clearly -- my high-end English AP course was conducted in the same room used by the school coach, and some class for jocks, -- don't know what it was. But I remember, written in very large letters at the front of the class, were the words from the coach I'd never met had written for his class: "YOUR I-WILL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR I-Q." I wrote the words on my heart, and reflect on them often.
I'll take shit that didn't happen for $200 Alex
@@JWuKong95 What’s hard to believe? That I was a nerd? That I had an AP English class? That the room was shared between staff? That the coach had those words placed at the front of the classroom? That I took them to heart? What’s the difficult step here?
@@LionKimbro Cause it sounds like something you'd find on r/thathappened, literally written just like a post on there lol
@@JWuKong95 Hunh; Weird. ... Well, thank you for taking the time to give me your answer.
You need to be both. Have the knowledge, intelligence, and curiosity of the nerd and the athletism, confidence, and competitive nature of the jock. Whichever of these traits you aren't naturally born with you should strive to improve upon.
That's why Megamind was so ahead of it's time with its portrayal of Hall Stewart.
In my high school, the Jocks were the nicest and most helpful people there.
In the old movies, the jock was still and didn't change till his world view was shattered. The nerd made the conscious decision to change to reach his goal. The end goal is not to become the jock or nerd but someone better, a man. Someone willing to learn, adapt and overcome.
Jocks usually end up in dead beat jobs, the nerds are usually the bosses who climb the ladder because of their hard work and intelligence. Jocks think they can go through life on their looks and dont make the effort, they usually mistreat women were as nerds gain confidence the older they get and once they have the girl they're usually in long term relationships because they know how to treat a woman.
You know you're in a good community when people use critical thinking to reassess the message, instead of being fan boys and blindly agreeing to it.
I feel like nearly every nerd i know is jacked , has tons of friends and always cheery and happy . Egoistic at times but witha heart of gold
Realistically if we’re just talking movies, the nerds get the girl because theyre the ones who writes these stories lmao
never separate the warriors and the thinkers. become the jock and the nerd at the same time and you’ll be surprised by your own capabilities it’ll make your head spin
I like Rockstars portrayal of nerds in Bully cuz the nerds are just as much the jerks in the story as the jocks.
In Bully (the game) some factions like the Jocks, The preps, and the Nerds get explored, showing us each of their strengths and weaknesses
Even though some of it is just for comedy I learn so much for them, I learn my weaknesses in highschool and actually become better
I mean I think a lot of people see that trope as more as rising above something that put you down. Like the nerd always makes their own path and beats the dude who bullies them
I was never into organized sports and I was always strong and fast. I was also great in school and feel I received a true gift. I was and am the "jock" nerd. Never was bullied, but stopped bullies, had loads of friends across the spectrum and helped those jock types actually learn and pass their classes. I will never be rich but am successful. I wouldn't want to be rich, just comfortable with my wife and son.
Some of the biggest assholes I went to school with happen to have been nerds while a lot of the jocks tended to be nicer to me.
SAME. I don’t know why but usually it’s the nerds who were the cry bullies or they’d get easily annoyed. Not all nerds but a lot of them. Meanwhile the jocks in my school got good grades, were helpful to those around them and were actually really friendly.
I feel a lot of people missed the point. It's not a nerd versus jock or a smart versus strong. It's the character or personality presented. Most of the time, the protagonist is simply a caring person with morals and the ability to overcome. Shia LaBeouf's character in Transformers, a nerd, can even be compared to Goku, a jock. Both are compassionate about protecting others. Both care deeply about family and bonds outside of blood. Both are willing to accept help from other but prefer to do things on their own terms. Both offer mercy to those who have wronged them. Both hold the previous actors to higher standards than others. Most of all, both dig deep to overcome the obstacles in front of them. They just do their own things in different ways.
TLDR: Be caring but strong, forgive but never forget, and always know that no challenge is too great to overcome.
It’s actually funny because, in my school, the jocks were usually really smart guys that pretty much everyone liked. The nerds weren’t typically the super smart/likable underdogs portrayed in movies.
He switched from “jock” to “rich and successful,” conflating the two.
I find that those roles are very loosely defined and diverge quickly after high school. I was a nerd friends with other nerds but was still friends with some jocks. Some of the nerds continued to be socially awkward and became resentful of everyone else, fell behind in college and have become part of today's blue haired crowd, the constant victim that tries to control everyone else. Other nerds like myself grew up and developed good social skills and grew into a different crowd of friends, I guess I became sort of a jock. Some jocks who were popular became even better, nicer, smarter and more successful people than any of the nerds were, still a few jocks fell behind and live in a trailer park now. It's funny how differently they grew than what I expected. I didn't really receive any bullying to speak of but there were some bullies and most of them are in jail, with a couple being good people now.
Oh yeah and a couple of the nerds became really really bad incels. They live in a cave somewhere now I'm assuming.
This is where i have to disagree is not about valuing weakness it's about overcoming it becoming strong despite your disadvantages
Jocks in my high school were the biggest show offs. I was made fun of and bullied by them, and then my junior year, I decided to make a change. I started to run every day and do body movements and exercises to become more flexible and stronger. After 1 tough year of this, I became really fit. The bullies left me alone because they could see the achievements I was getting.
A good man should be right in between nerd and jock. Smart and empathetic and also rugged and strong. That's what I looked for in a man, and what i found. Happily married for 17 years now!
I think "nerds" are more likely than "jocks" to watch these movies, so it's to make people watching relate to the characters more.
Its a trope that makes "nice guys"on reddit
Don't be the nerd that beats the jock, become the better jock that actually represents personal development and success through hard work instead of using it to bully people.
Bro really used sam from transformers as a statment
Acting like sam doesnt have 10 ft tall cyber robot things that can transform into Luxury cars 💀💀
Still doesn't change the fact the mc was annoying😒
I spent 8 years in the military and not once was the nerd the guy to motivate a group of men to go into a situation with very few positive outcomes. That’s just my experience
The richest guys are the nerds though. Nerds in movies are the under dog who uses their greatest strengths (intelligence and will) to climb up. But jocks aren't bad people either but it's easy to make a jock villain because they are in a posistion of power while nerds traditionally aren't, least not as kids. Now these are stereotypes and by now a little outdated but still work well in school settings
I don't know why but when I think of jocks i remember people that throw their life away.
Writers project their desires to use through their art.
Spoken like a true jock haha
I married the nerdy, underdog and he is absolutely amazing! I basically worship the ground he walks on🥰
I was both. At the same time. My advice is not to focus on jock or nerd labeling or competition between the two but to embrace the things you enjoy. Intellectual pursuits are equally as important as physical competition and both have something to teach in several aspects of life.
The fact that people are classified as nerds and jocks in the first place is the root of the problem.
Nerds and jocks should work together. One makes the design, the other builds. Lol
How hollywood movies describe nerds:
How my school described nerds: you study, bring good grades and stay in the library
I 100000000% agree with this. I remember once upon a time for most of my experience throughout highschool, I was a quiet and very socially awkward nerd type (I say type, because I focused on school, but I wasn’t particularly intelligent or enthusiastic, I just worked hard to try and impress my parents) of kid who despised a lot of the popular guys on the football team who were very popular and good with women to which I built an incel like inferiority complex. Come end of my summer before Gr. 11 I was getting tired of being bored and alone with school all the time (especially because I still didn’t get the grades I wanted even with all the hard work) so I decided, fuck it I was gonna join the football team and see how it panned out. Suffice to say it was the greatest decision of my life, and to see the love and support of guys on the team because my diligence and love for the sport felt like such a humbling uno reverse to what I thought would happened (I thought they would just reject me and make a joke of me because of who I was before that). It was even more humbling than the nerds who always looked down on me for my performance in school whereas the jocks kept encouraging me to work hard and have my back in any situation whereas the nerds didn’t give a single fuck (which is very ironic because the nerds are the “good” guys typically in these movie narratives you mention). Fast forward many years later, I ended playing uni football (started an entire season) where I also met many great people and turned out to be more of a confident social butterfly (on my team, throughout the campus, and other varsity teams) and made a tremendous leap in both my mental and physical health. Had I not joined a football team and become a jock, I’m very certain my life would taken a very dark, resentful, and weak path. Don’t fall for the bullshit stereotypes in movies about jocks and nerds, because the I’ve made much more meaningful and mature relationships from the “asshole” jocks as opposed to the “shy” and “nice” needs that these bullshit movies portray
Bros gf got stollen by a nerd 💀
He back with a vengeance
Sam from transformers is different, he's witty, quick, and very likeable, when you look at a nerd, you think of an unattractive or weak, socially dumb teen, and while Sam is definitely not the jock, he's definitely more in the gray then any one side, plus nostalgia for those movies kicked in a little bit while writing this, but you gotta admit I'm atleast 50% right
My view, is that the jock does not participate in critical thought but has confidence. And the nerd has little or no confidence but always uses critical thought. As they both grow into their selfs, the need gains confidence and also performs critical thought, where the jock maintains his confidence and never has to use critical thought. So I inspire to be the need who learns confidence
As a nerdy jock I see this as an absolute win
I think you should be both to be honest. "You know what's worse than being weak? It's being strong but stupid."
I think people like these tropes where the guy gets the girl because in the beginning the guy is portrayed as a weakling. But throughout the story, the guy (hopefully) betters themself through difficult events or simply realizing they need to be better to accomplish what they want. In transformers, it happened to be space robots coming to earth to make Shia LeBeouf’s character more desirable because he wasn’t born to be a winner like the jocks of the story. He earned his win by repeatedly proving himself time and time again. Even though he made mistakes throughout the movies, he always ends up trying to do the right thing and fix his mistakes and learn from them. These are admirable qualities that some people may be born with, but he wasn’t and picked himself up from it.
Bro
Jocks aren’t effortlessly handsome
They’re just mean bullies, the nerds will probably do something with their lives.
Imagine "Brains over brawn" going so far over your head, you make an Entire video about missing it.
The way I always saw it is that the nerd is admirable because he has to work to get the girl or be popular, he's not just born with 6'5 genetics
I went to a school where the band kids were more socially respected than the jocks 😂 in a lot of ways it almost seemed like the jocks were the underdogs.
I love that most people always kiss A.P's ass for whatever subject about how he's so insightful but now that he's talking about how being a nerd doesn't necessarily make you better than a jock people are like "oh wait actually you're wrong".
Nerds who lift 🤝 Jocks that read
Me when Im both the nerd and the jock:
I am, inevitable
Running for your life from Shia LaBeouf
Nerds and jocks are what keeps the gears running. Its everyone else that's disposable.
Most Jocks Ive ever seen are chill as fuck ive seen some mean jocks but most are chill
It a twisting of the popular naritave of the "erogant Prince" or Saul and David essentially. The rich by inheritance creates an imbalance that must be corrected by the competent.
Abandon the nerd, become the jock.
It's not about the rich and successful! It's about the way these jocks behave.
The jock in my high-school was one of the kindest people there. He didn't tolerate people being picked on. Sadly he got bullied the last half of his senior year. I did my best to stick up for him and make him feel included and cared about like he did for me in the prior years.
Sure ya did kid. Did everyone clap at the end when you punched out the guy picking on the school jock? 🤣 Attention seeking dipshit lol
Or the narrative of "nerds, one day you'll be the jock/bullys boss because you're smarter and they're dumb." But a study found that jocks/bullys generally end up more successful because they're seen as more confident and outgoing. Both of those characteristics are incredibly useful in sales, business, marketing.
writers are the types that got bullied, its self inserts
I honestly see is as the nerd is mentally strong and a smart person who is able to get themselves out of tough situations when the jock is just physically strong which can only get you so far. The nerd doesn’t have to be ugly they just have to be different from the rest. Someone who thinks differently are the ones who go far in life. Those are the rich and successful.
I love the hunchback of Notre Dame because it doesn’t go along with this trope
Henry calvill is the perfect mix between a nerdy guy with personality and a jock with respect and humility. We Should find people that have these qualities and embrace ourself in search of learning said qualities, only then you can change yourself, mentally first then physically.
ALL of the so-called jocks in my graduating class were also damn smart. Most are now millionaires at least. You can be both.
In the karate kid, the nerd has to become basically a jock in order to defeat the jock
To be fair, it's easier for audience to sympathize with a Nerd than a Jock. Weakling to Strongman is much appreciated than a strongman to an even stronger strongman.
I always saw it as Cleverness and Adaptability is just as useful as Physical Strength. As Charles Darwin noted, "It is not the strongest of the species that survives but the one most adapted to change."
Actually no I think everybody wants to be the underdog because you can rise above it and prove to the world that you worth something
I agree with most things I see on this chanel but this one makes an exception.
Most nerds in those movies show bravery, loyalty, love, intelligence and a lot of other qualities when the other person just has looks
This has inspired me to work on my personal development growing up instead of my looks.
It doesn't hurt to have abbs and be strong once you are a good person
“99% of the time people don’t get rich by accident”
Timothy Dexter standing in the corner with his one percent:
No, no one is better than anyone. Everyone has their unique value and niches.
You missed the fact that nearly all jock featured (especially in high school movies) have daddy's/mommy's money.
My outlook is even more depressing.
Oftentimes those that were somewhat oppressed grow to be even worse than their previous oppressors as some may grow up learning to explain their suffering to themselves, or even „sanctify” it to ease their pain.
Some may fall to the viewpoint which normalises being oppressive (as plenty of youths naturally are when being in the unchecked stronger position than others and stronger emotional drives, passions and pursuits without the proper baggage of experience)
The brutality of life thusly enables the strong to freely learn how to become more self-restrained, compassionate, chill and gentle towards others, how to basically become less unnecesairly harmful and oppressive, while those who were oppressed by others in their earlier lives might have been getting the opposite type of lessons -learning slowly how to start excercising their own power more freely, yet still lacking the perspective, experience and potential regret for accidentally brought unnecessary harm upon others which they would already otherwise possess.
Basically, those who enjoyed more freedom than others early had more opportunities to see and better understand the consequences of such freedom, while those who didn’t might lack such early perspective and developed sense of responsibility and caution.
The key word is „may” -there obviously is a whole range of non-reflective and uncaring psychopaths that could even double down on such harmful mindsets and spiral further into rationalising their own shittiness, or just have a select group of people towards whom they are not going to be psychopathic against, while still being asshats to enyone else -that is also common.
Be healthy! 💜
Most people: "intelligence or strength?"
Me: "both? Both. Both! Both is good."
You should learn from the charisma and athleticism of the jock but the intelligence and uniqueness of the nerd.
It's called rooting for the underdog. You incels need to stop with this.
Bruh incels?
@@chilluxtheduck8023 9/10 he calls every guy with an idea as an incel.
@@durango7142 nah bRo this here is a fucking Chad. He always gets things right 10/10. Us incels who "talk" about things are the nerds who get beat up in school.
@@durango7142 fax
I don't get why people think nerds are weak
As someone who was tormented DAILY by jocks but technically being one myself (I played field hockey, basketball and softball but was goth and therefore "weird" and playing the flute didn't help either....thanks "American Pie"!) It's about the way jocks treated others. They can be straight up ass holes! My own teammates purposely would not tell me about they stuff they would do the nights before game days so I wouldn't show up! Stuff like the team would have a sleep over at the coaches house and they would all make pizza or spaghetti together for dinner than watch movies. But because I dyed my hair black and painted my nails black and wore Doc Martin's I was deemed the odd one out and never felt like part of the team because of it. But flash forward 2 years after high school and those same bitches that made fun of me were now dying their hair black painting their nails black and wearing Doc Martin's because all that was suddenly fashionable. So yeah if you are or were a jock that hurt others you can piss the hell right off!
Signed,
A fellow jock
I spent years convinced I should hate the rich until I met my (now) husband who grew up with money. Over time I began to realize that I'd been brainwashed to live in poverty like it was some kind of value to hold. I'm grateful every day that I don't think that way anymore. I've experienced so much by not villianizing wealth any longer.
I know you’re speaking facts but I just want to say, the underdog rising makes for a greater more enjoyable story 😄…even if it’s not necessarily something good to embrace.
The nerds are the one who creat tech and wealth. Jock only tack advantage of that.
Nerdy Jocks is where it was in my high school
If you've watch enough 80s movies you find out why the nerd are the protagonist now
Take the best of both worlds and put them together in the best mix.