its definitely not that big of a deal, but i still think its funny that limited pulls are more common than "standard" pulls, but that's probably just due to low demand tbh. what do you all think? :D come join my discord so that we can discuss the scarcity of standard pulls some more discord.gg/KRtUFgApaJ then follow my twt pls i post when i'm alive twitter.com/JuiceChanYT btw follow my twitch www.twitch.tv/juicechanyt also, support me if you'd like; ko-fi.com/juicechanyt
No this is legit, I’m a new player from 5.0, and I have 3 5* total, and barely any useable weapons. I actually get really excited for standard pulls because if I get lucky with like another favonious sword or something, it’ll make a huge difference for me. I was kind of surprised how few there are.
I don't think it is due to low demand. Now, obviously, if given a choice between a standard wish and featured one, players will go with featured. That's pretty much a given. But the chance at random four stars, the five stars that people want regardless, and a chance at the weapons... people do want them. And I think the four stars in particular are a big deal in particular, with how many of them we have now, and the impact that has on people getting their constellations. It's just Hoyoverse being stingy. If you think about the anniversaries, for example, Hoyoverse could have easily given out a bunch of a standard wishes as a way to placate players, but not really impact their bottom line much. They just don't do that. And I've definitely seen person talk about it. Specifically me. Because a) it'd be a good thing for newer players to help them get some of that large quantity of four star characters we have now, and b) the lack thereof is just one more example of how bad Hoyoverse is at customer relations, to ignore an obvious way to buy some good will. Now, is it something that needs to be fixed or an issue most players think about? Nope. But it is just one of the many decisions made by Hoyoverse where they just don't think about how to improve the experience of their players.
I've thought about how strange the standard banner was. But never heard anyone think the same. They could've just made the standard banner with a path to get 4 stars easier or rework the CW. I just did a 10 pull and got Amber and Kirara. It's like Hoyo is listening in.
Yesss that is true! Standard wishes are actually more common than the limited ones if we don’t count the ones we buy with primogems But I think what Juice means is that standard wishes are still really rare anyways, like we barely get any of them and it’s not like the standard banner is op
true, but even then, standard fates should be at like half the price of limited ones :) i also assume primos = limited wishes, because nobody’s using their gems on standard lets be real
This is actually why I worried when they said some new characters would be added to the standard banner. If a new character ends up being a favorite and a standard, then they're actually much harder to get. Not to mention that their signature weapon is hidden from the world unless something like the chronicle wish brings it around. If anything standard could be targeted, I'd have no issue with it.
_(cries in Dehya)_ Granted I _did_ eventually get her C6, but that's because I got her C4 on release. I didn't get another Dehya until trying for Nilou's C2 a year and a half later (C5) and then chose her from the selector that dropped with 5.0 (C6), but man, that "wait period" between her release and the selector was _ROUGH._
The whole problem with the standard banner is that it's more of a slot machine than the limited banners. Combining the characters and weapons, you have a roughly 1 in 15 chance of getting the thing you want, and there is no pity system to take away the sting of a loss. Adding a new character to this banner will only make the problem worse.
@@SageRuffin You had better luck than me. I also C4'd her on her banner, selected her, and finally got her as a lost 50/50 on Xilonen. And that's a five star, where you can at least lose a 50/50 like I did. But there's Kaeya, Lisa, and Amber, who are part of a much bigger pool, that is constantly getting bigger, and are not in the weapon or featured banner pools. The odds are so bad that you basically have to get them from the shop whenever they are there, and even then, you're looking at 2+ years per, and at least one will likely take the full 3 years (6 shop rotations) to C6.
god bro, i want tighnari cons SO SO badly, but ive NEVER pulled him a single time. my c0 is from the anniversary thing and that alone made me go insane over finally having him LMFAOOo i was more excited about yoinking him onto my account than i was when pulling for and getting some of the limited 5 stars i have, thats kinda wild
What I don't get is the price of the Standard Pulls (160 primos). Like, why does it cost just as much as the limited ones? It should cost like 100 primos or so
The fact that I've already earned my free standard character in both ZZZ and HSR before reaching 300 pulls on the Genshin standard banner despite playing Genshin much longer than either really is wild. Being able to earn standard pulls each week in ZZZ/HSR has really helped flesh out my rosters
You need those weekly pulls on Hoyo's other games because their power creep is insane. Genshin's elemental system still allows old units like V1.0 units to be usable and especially if new units like Furina come along.
It would be nice to add a standard pull "Birthday Wish" for every character birthday mail they send out...I mean most months have like 3-4 character birthdays, so it wouldn't really break the bank.
So I was one of those players that was foolish enough to belive that Standard Pulls would be better to get the Standaed 5-stars rather than pulling on limited. I was DESPERATE for Mona and would do anything to get her. The number of in-game primos I wasted on standard banner would make you WEEP. And the result was abysmal. I did eventually get Mona, just not on Standard.
I got Mona from the Noelle banner and kept using her as an on field DPS. It took me a whole year to understand that her kit is that of a buffer, now I use her properly in a Scaramouche freeze team.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Yeah I use her in my Scara freeze team too. In my opinion the trickiest thing to get right with her burst is the timing. Once you get the rhythm, she's amazing as an enemy de-buffer.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 omg, i did the same & got her from noelle banner too!! tbh i still occasionally use her as a dps, even more recently since she retired from my ayaka freeze. she's quite fun and i have her normals and burst crowned simply because i love her as a character.
I do think it's something that should be fixed, because people having better chances at getting constellations for standard 5* characters or more standard 5* weapons is important imo. While standard 5* weapons aren't the best for anyone, they are still far enough to help with abyss stuff, and same with standard 5* characters and their constellations (especially for Dehya or Tighnari). I personally think they should give a few standard wishes every abyss and theatre too, like they're doing with Star Rail and the SU, just to help a bit.
I wish they'd give out more. I wouldn't mind a chance for more 4 star characters/weapons, especially if the 4 stars on limited banners are ones I have. Like, I'm sure the Standard banner would've treated me better than c6'ing an already maxed Dori twice over.
Thinking about it, they should do an Inazuma Chronicled wish right here, right now. Ayaka, Ayato, Yae Miko, Yoimiya, Kokomi, and Itto are all pushing on a year without a banner (Itto is lowest at 7 months, Kokomi is over 14) and have been pushed out of the high tier of units, but are still good enough that the chance to go for one and loose 50:50 to another is potentially worth the opportunity cost of pulling natlan units.
Regarding the rework for Chronicled Wish at 6:50 - I talked to a friend about that not long ago. And if you look into the limited Banner's description they specifically state that the promoted character will not get added to "Wanderlust Invocation", which I think can be used as a bit of a loophole if they just make another standard banner but call it something different. Because they technically didn't marketed them incorrectly. Granted, I don't believe that'll happen simply because of the outcry that would bring, I think. But yeah, would just keep that at the back of your mind.
Standard banner is so outdated, that the only value standard pulls have for me is the starglitter. Also i kinda hate half of the 5* roster, because i mostly get them instead of something i wanted. My C4 tighnari is benched forever because he is C4, a reminder of what I could have. Also the only text on limited banner is that the character won't be available in the standard banner (identified by name) so they technically can create new banner with old limited characters that would be available with blue fates, but i don't see them changing anything
RNG gonna RNG. I've been playing since week 1, and I have never pulled a Diluc but recently hit C6 Qiqi and C5 Deyha, meanwhile my wife has a C5 Diluc w/ Gravestone. I definitely agree that some kind of course charting should be implemented on Standard, especially for the 4-stars.
Same! tho I started in 2.3 but still no Diluc. Not complaining tho as I've somehow got C5 Tighnari since he released without touching his banner, and really love his playstyle, now his coveted c6 is within my grasp lol.
i would toss you some of my dilucs if i could loll! i'm gonna try to send you some of my diluc energy as a person whose last 3 50/50 losses have been to diluc.
Surprised you didn’t bring up Hoyo’s other titles. Like in zzz, the weekly content actually gives 1 standard pull per week on top of limited currency. I’m not sure if star rail is the same, but they even have a selector when you hit 300 pulls.
When the game first came out it was reasonable to pull on the standard banner. You wanted to fill out your 4* roster, get useful 4* weapons and of course then-meta 5* characters and weapons. Rewards were a lot more generous and there was only a single banner character so if you already got them or didn't want them the standard banner was the next best place to wish. Three reasons for the downfall: 1. Standard banner 5*s were quickly powercrept and joined by very underwhelming characters 2. A big dropoff in 4* character quality 3. Persistent rumors that the standard banner would get "fixed", encouraging players to hoard their acquaint fates. For this reason Hoyo will probably never deliver any sort of "fix"
Hearing about your Fichl reminds me how lucky I am to have her c6 😅 and other units that collect dust (I have Raiden for Fichl replacement). the last free 5* event netted me my first Diluc who was my last standard 5* that was eluding me. I also have c6 Sucrose collecting dust after getting Kazuha back in the day 😂 and slightly more recently I benched Noelle after I got Navia and Chiori (Kachina to pair with Chiori) on their first banners (not a total comparison but my other units make up for the healing aspect of her kit)
They definitely should give more. Let us pick what char we want too on standard and have a guarantee every other time. I want C6 Keqing, her constellations aren't very good but i have played her nearly every single day since launch.
wait but if u think about it, we dont really get limited pulls outside of anniverssarry and monthly thing, we just receive primos and convert all of it to more limitied pulls.
They could add some to the abyss. Like when you complete the abyss 12-3 36 Stars you’ll get 10 standard pulls. Same with the theater I really want to c6 kaeya, Lisa and amber
ugh me out here wanting the stupid ass Amos Bow off the standard banner, knowing i aint ever gonna see that damn thing.. please stop giving me 5 star polearms off the standard hoyo, ALL MY POLEARM USERS I'VE BUILT ALREADY HAVE OPTIMAL WEAPONS PLEASE I DONT EVEN HAVE THAT MANY OF THEM PLEASEEEEEEEEE PLEASE JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING BOWW PLEASE sorry im normal
No this is fair I’ve been hoping for a bow as well I finally caved and got yelans limited, 4 years and I’ve got no bows but 5 5 star catalyst on standard 1 sword and 1 pole arm. R 3 lost prayer is actually really good but the rng is still crazy
I'm doing a 'no limited wishing/spending primos' thing on an account (I'm marking everything on the interactive map and i wanna see how many primos/wishes i get at the end) so i only use standard wishes but damn, it's hard going when i can barely scrounge a 10 pull of standard wishes while the limited ones 'taunt' me 😭
Standard banner would be 💯% better if they gave us an epitomized path with fate points for both 5* (2 fate pts?) And 4* (5 fate points?). It woukd revitalize the banner if you could actually get cons for who you want in time.
I've been playing since launch day, and my Amber is STILL C0. I've thought about playing an alt account where I ONLY spent primos/wished on the standard banner.
ive always been aware of this but like it never really truly dawned on me how goofy it was until i made a second genshin acc (because i began running out of things to do on my main) and like im far more interested in the standard banner on that account to pull random ass 4 star characters just so i can mess with ones i dont have on my main. its so weird flinging primoss at the standard banner bro, it almost feels illegal, but i got heizou from it which ive wanted since forever on my main andd STILL DONT FUCKING HAVE so i cant rlly call it a crime anymore i guess.... also got keqing really really early on because of so that was cool (i Also dont have her on my main >:[ )
Should be able to outright buy any character once. Get rid of the standard banner altogether. UNLESS they change standard to a re-run only banner. Still haven’t gotten Navia. Didn’t Xilo either. Waited eight months just to get Raiden C1, that’s bullshit.
Being able to chart course on Standard would also be nice for getting some of the more useful standard weapons. There are a few solid stat sticks that I wouldn't mind, but nope, C4 Diluc.
Only c3 Fischl? I'm so sorry, Juice! I hope you get 3 of her soon! I would also like more Standard Banner pulls. I've only gotten one Skyward weapon and they look so cool!
same here, would be great for my aggro teams, would really like to see how it would buff my keqing considering how well keq drives her!! same here, i think more pulls is simply never a bad thing; adding them as extra abyss rewards or theater rewards would be cool
In Honkai Star Rail they give us at least 1 standard pull ticket per week once you obtain all points from simulated universe. As every month offers 5 free pulls from both standard and limited banners, I can make at least 10 standard pulls per month if I don’t spent any extra primos. Sadly in Genshin as an F2P, I only able to get 3 standard pulls per patch. I still buy some from Paimon’s shop. So I can barely make 10 pulls once a patch. That means I need total of 7-8 patches to get a 5 star, 50% chance to get a weapon which I don’t want at all.
So it is a bit of a deal to me. I desperately need the star glitter on these patches where I’m not pulling. And I use standard pulls to fund my star glitter so that I can buy the monthly 10 pulls. I was only able to get 9/10 in October. And it’ll be more difficult this month than last because standard pulls are so rare. I’m not upset or anything, just trying my absolute best to optimize my pulls.
Th3 best thing the standard banner has to offer are the weapons and diluc. Id gladly take wolf grave stone and skyward harp. And even skyward spine for xiangling/raiden
It's a bit of a feedback loop. Genshin almost never adds new standard 5-stars (only two in four years!) and most of them aren't that good or have mediocre cons. That means standard pulls aren't appealing, so they don't increase the amount we get, and they don't add more standard 5-stars because the banner is unpopular, and around and around. 4-stars have low marketing value, so they don't care about those either. A lot of the 4-star weapons (mainly Fav and Sac) are extremely useful but total RNG to get; just throwing more standard fates at us would help a lot, since it guarantees roughly 50% weapons on average (unlike the event banners, where people spend most of their wishes and get mostly characters).
5:20 here’s a more extreme example. I’ve been playing since 1.2, and I still don’t have Razor. It’s a meme for me at this point. IDC, really, but it’s a point against having everything be up to luck.
I've been playing for 2 months I got keqing and diluc on standard and 6 5 stars from limited. I've only lost 1 50/50 and got mona. Is this luck? I'm still kinda new so idk
Putting a theme every month for four stars with a higher probability on the standard banner would be something. Example, four stars of a specific element or region have a higher probability of being pulled in the standard banner for a month
talking about standard banner, I got C2 amber from standard today lol. I also have C1 Lisa :D. I hope I can keep hitting pity in standard banner, I NEED aquila favonia. As long as I get anything jean/useful for jean I'll be happy amen.
Love the topics lately Juice! More discussions, more Juice~ I am curious how this will continue if they add more characters to Standard, making some units even more unattainable. Really good points and reflections I also find my lucky striking - nearly have lost every 50/50 and have to reach high pity before I ever get my Limited pull. And I DESPISE Keqing, losing to her in place of Furina and Navia D: Certainly hope my luck will change because talk about precedent!
i just wish we could atleast choose one weapon in standard banner, every time i lose weapon banner or get a weapon in standard i just receive celestial spear :")
Funny :D I just mentioned that in the last survey and now I see your video :D I don't understand why they are so rare, I think they could give out a lot more! It would not hurt them. I only have 3 of the standart 5 star weapons and it would be nice to have some more of them ^^
Because gachas were created to scam people? In the first place, standart banners exist to give even less actual pulls to the players (standart pulls are placebo). It is done to artificially inflate currency value, and to keep players desiring rare characters without giving them anything (aka to push into donating).
I'm one of those who never loses 50 50s, and I most of them except for Tighnari and Keqing. The ones I got where usually from the Standard Banner. I have a C1 Diluc and Dehya (one I got in Noelle's beginner banner, the other two were the 50/50s I lost). I purposely chose Qiqi for the anniversary pull, because I never got her before. I do agree it's strange that this game lacks consistent blue little ball pulls, especially compared to Star Rail (about 40 away from the free 5 star in less than 8 months playing).
Call me stupid but I regret picking Jean in the anniversary and should have picked Dehya instead, I picked Jean because I had Furina but I like using not that popular healers like Qiqi (freeze team w/ Chongyun) and Barbara (Mono hydro) so I basically benched Jean and I wanted to see if I could make a melt/vape/freeze team with Furina, Dehya, Qiqi and Kazuha out of curiosity.. So I've just been longing to get Dehya but with how hard it is to get standard pulls I'm no where near close to it :(
As an Amber main, my friends keep me at bay on not spending all of my primos on standard wishes. I only get to wish on it like every 2 battle passes. She's finally at C4 because of the last Starglitter exchange, but I'd REALLY like to get her up to C6. But seriously, since it's the supposed Standard banner, buying standard fates should be much cheaper, not 160.
Am I missing something here? If you don't spend any money, every patch they give you about 5 standard pulls in battle pass while only the Archon Quest give you 1 or 2(maybe not at all if that patch doesn't have story update)
It honestly kinda sucks cause both HSR and ZZZ have weekly standard pull income outside of the battle pass, so it moves much quicker in those games and I think it makes it more interesting. It's always pretty hype when you get a 4* constellation that you've been longing for randomly on standard (my c6 Faruzan and Gorou came there for example), there's also some of the best gacha 4* weapons in the pool too, more favonius weapons are always welcome for example. Also getting 5* characters you want from the banner is great too, I think I got 3 of my 6 Tighanri pulls from standard! I still don't even have Diluc and not many other standard cons so it's not that I'm whaling on there, just have insane "luck" when losing 50/50 and on standard pulls. I definitely think increasing the pull income would be great, as long as it's not at the cost of limited pulls.
Probably because Genshin doesn't have a "Do 300 Pulls and choose a 5 Stars" system in the Standard Banner like in HSR and ZZZ. Those games give you more Standard Pulls since otherwise it would take forever to accumulate 300 Pulls (Not that it doesn't already, I only hit 300 pulls in HSR after 1 year), so if one of these days Genshin adds this to the Standard Banner (Which will probably happen since everything in HSR and ZZZ ends up arriving in Genshin too) they will also have to add some recurring source of Standard Pulls (Maybe some kind of weekly Imaginary Theater activity)
Hell i only pull on that for the purpose of certain 4 stars since Amber, Kaeya, and Lisa are rare (it took the chronicle banner to finally get cons for Amber and I've had her at c0 for over 3 years!)
Sometimes, I’ll get a decent four star character from the weapons banner that’s not one of the promoted one on the character banner. Most recently I got a Kuki con. That helps a little.
I usually go for standard pulls when I have 90 acquaint fates. I’m really close to it now, but I’ll wait for 5.3 cause I’m skipping Chaka and I rather have a rare chance to get Ororon than spending everything next month. Since last time I’ve got Jadewing spear, I think I’ll get a character next
i think they should add something like star rails standard selector so you can select a character or weapon you want after 300 wishes which would make the standard banner better even if you get less pulls
I personally they should do a rotation every month and increase chances for certain 4 stars like the limited banner. Maybe Jan have Lisa, Noelle with increase chance. Then have February Kaeya and Amber or something. No one pulls on Standard and this might help those who want constellations for the 4 stars. Just my opinion.
I actually like getting Keqing, as she was my first 5 star, and was my main DPS for the early game. I have her up to C5 at this point. I don't use her much, but I am trying to get her last constellation just because.
Honestly what I've seen done in other gacha's is giving the player Limited Pulls as login/event rewards for anniversary, but then allowing the player to also do 50 free standard Pulls (so ur not given 50 Acquaint Fates, u just get to pull with needing them).
I literally waited since I started playing (almost 3 years ago) to get a copy of Qixing on my main account... So yeah, standard banner really need some changes. I also wanted C2 Dehya since her release and I'll probably have to wait two years to get it (currently C0) because my C5 Diluc keeps stealing my 50/50 losses for himself 🤡
The only one i want from the standard pull is Keqing. But sadly she has eluded me. I wished they'd give us a weekly quest that would give us 1 or 2 standard fate pulls. At least then it'll add some incentives. And that Qiqi has come to me more often than most. I already got her to c5. Some extra pity would be nice.
I think blue fates aren't that big of an issue but I'm almost into my second year no Mona some people really like certain characters and want them but they never come home. As for standard weapons I've pulled very few in the 2 year period I think maybe 3 hard to say since I only use one but I think the banner needs a rework then an actual here's more wishes. Like a selector would be nice or some way to plan that you get a 4* character or even a weapon. I'm talking to you sac sword still waiting for one of those. Same for 5 stars as well a selector would be nice so I know at some point I'll actually acquire something I actually want or need
This is the one thing that I really have to give credit to Tower of Fantasy for. Getting your primos equivalent from completing weeklies, while your dailies get you 1 normal standard pull and 3 for the separate standard banner with no pity system just always meant that you had so many opportunities to pull and made sure you had lots of chances to get whatever standard banner characters you wanted, especially since they added units to it every few months. If only the power creep hadn't been so bad to make getting those characters useless a lot of the time.
6:47 I don't see a reason why they can't have chronicle wish use standard banner fates. As the only restriction on limited characters is that they can't be on the Wanderlust Invocation banner, that is all.
I wish there was a mode you played to get 1 standard pull weekly like in star rail and Zenless. I'm somehow always low on Starglitter in Genshin while I have so much extra of those currencies in Star rail and Zenless.
4:41 I think it's unlikely they'll let you chart courses for 4stars, for the simple fact that this is a gambling game. I believe it's more likely for them to change the guarantee 4star to each 5 pulls instead of 10 because of the amount of 4stars in this game keeps increasing
Technically you get more standard pulls than limited. It's just we use our primos for limited pulls exclusively but in terms of straight up fates we get more standards
Unrelated but when you talked about how limited characters are easier than permanent pulls, it reminded me when I was able to win my 50/50's and ended up getting Emelie, Mualani, c1 Kinich, and Xilonen all in a row until I got Mona early after pulling 5 more times after xilonen came home😁
It's because they don't want you to max out your 4 stars and standard 5 stars with tons of standard banner pulls, making getting them instead of the limited 5 star you want from a banner even more enraging.
K was thinking this the other day. "Why have i not had a 10 pull on the standard banner for months". Probably because those pulls are moe free then limited.
Another strange thing, why does Intertwined & Aquaint fates cost the same? It is implied in the name that they (Aquaint) are less worth! And a reduced price would encourage players to buy.
i personally feel like we should need lower hard pity on the standard banner instead of more pulls, like 80. myself, i really want Dehya constellations but i never ever got her outside of her release banner and the aniversary rewards
I would actually like a few standard characters, but I am 80 pity, and then get a weapon I don't need🙈 Definitely takes a very long to get standard wishes, and then you get something you don't want on the banner....
That is true... I wish they were obtainable via weekiies (akin to Star Rail). And also that 4-star weapon banner-exclusive weapons shouldn't exist, since it's a 4-star after all
i usually pick up a few from SU every now & then, would make sense to have a more easy way to get ‘em i think perhaps getting more from toy medals might be nice? since poses are cosmetic, but people might actually care for standard wishes more
its definitely not that big of a deal, but i still think its funny that limited pulls are more common than "standard" pulls, but that's probably just due to low demand tbh. what do you all think? :D
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No this is legit, I’m a new player from 5.0, and I have 3 5* total, and barely any useable weapons. I actually get really excited for standard pulls because if I get lucky with like another favonious sword or something, it’ll make a huge difference for me. I was kind of surprised how few there are.
The standard banner really becoming fancy pulls huh
I don't think it is due to low demand. Now, obviously, if given a choice between a standard wish and featured one, players will go with featured. That's pretty much a given. But the chance at random four stars, the five stars that people want regardless, and a chance at the weapons... people do want them. And I think the four stars in particular are a big deal in particular, with how many of them we have now, and the impact that has on people getting their constellations.
It's just Hoyoverse being stingy. If you think about the anniversaries, for example, Hoyoverse could have easily given out a bunch of a standard wishes as a way to placate players, but not really impact their bottom line much. They just don't do that.
And I've definitely seen person talk about it. Specifically me. Because a) it'd be a good thing for newer players to help them get some of that large quantity of four star characters we have now, and b) the lack thereof is just one more example of how bad Hoyoverse is at customer relations, to ignore an obvious way to buy some good will. Now, is it something that needs to be fixed or an issue most players think about? Nope. But it is just one of the many decisions made by Hoyoverse where they just don't think about how to improve the experience of their players.
I've thought about how strange the standard banner was. But never heard anyone think the same. They could've just made the standard banner with a path to get 4 stars easier or rework the CW. I just did a 10 pull and got Amber and Kirara. It's like Hoyo is listening in.
Fr, I usually only hit pity in standard every like 4 months or something.
i really wonder if its due to demand? super strange
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4 months? I barely hit anything?
@@Maxwelium lmao don’t mind me I’m just an addict 😭
@DodoRainy same? 😭
To be fair, we're not actually getting a lot of intertwined fates. They're just what we choose to spend our primogems on in lieu of acquaint fates
Yesss that is true! Standard wishes are actually more common than the limited ones if we don’t count the ones we buy with primogems
But I think what Juice means is that standard wishes are still really rare anyways, like we barely get any of them and it’s not like the standard banner is op
That's what I was going to say. I can barely remember anywhere we actually get limited pulls. I feel they are slightly rarer
true, but even then, standard fates should be at like half the price of limited ones :)
i also assume primos = limited wishes, because nobody’s using their gems on standard lets be real
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This is actually why I worried when they said some new characters would be added to the standard banner. If a new character ends up being a favorite and a standard, then they're actually much harder to get. Not to mention that their signature weapon is hidden from the world unless something like the chronicle wish brings it around. If anything standard could be targeted, I'd have no issue with it.
_(cries in Dehya)_
Granted I _did_ eventually get her C6, but that's because I got her C4 on release. I didn't get another Dehya until trying for Nilou's C2 a year and a half later (C5) and then chose her from the selector that dropped with 5.0 (C6), but man, that "wait period" between her release and the selector was _ROUGH._
The whole problem with the standard banner is that it's more of a slot machine than the limited banners. Combining the characters and weapons, you have a roughly 1 in 15 chance of getting the thing you want, and there is no pity system to take away the sting of a loss. Adding a new character to this banner will only make the problem worse.
@@SageRuffin You had better luck than me. I also C4'd her on her banner, selected her, and finally got her as a lost 50/50 on Xilonen.
And that's a five star, where you can at least lose a 50/50 like I did. But there's Kaeya, Lisa, and Amber, who are part of a much bigger pool, that is constantly getting bigger, and are not in the weapon or featured banner pools. The odds are so bad that you basically have to get them from the shop whenever they are there, and even then, you're looking at 2+ years per, and at least one will likely take the full 3 years (6 shop rotations) to C6.
Me with my fav caracter thignari
god bro, i want tighnari cons SO SO badly, but ive NEVER pulled him a single time. my c0 is from the anniversary thing and that alone made me go insane over finally having him LMFAOOo i was more excited about yoinking him onto my account than i was when pulling for and getting some of the limited 5 stars i have, thats kinda wild
What I don't get is the price of the Standard Pulls (160 primos). Like, why does it cost just as much as the limited ones? It should cost like 100 primos or so
60 primos is the best i can do
Standard pulls are as "common" as 4* are "easier" to get pfft 💀 (as in, not at all)
its so goofy bro 😭
The fact that I've already earned my free standard character in both ZZZ and HSR before reaching 300 pulls on the Genshin standard banner despite playing Genshin much longer than either really is wild. Being able to earn standard pulls each week in ZZZ/HSR has really helped flesh out my rosters
You need those weekly pulls on Hoyo's other games because their power creep is insane.
Genshin's elemental system still allows old units like V1.0 units to be usable and especially if new units like Furina come along.
How? I'm still a full soft pity away in ZZZ
Have you used polychromes in the ZZZ standard banner?
It would be nice to add a standard pull "Birthday Wish" for every character birthday mail they send out...I mean most months have like 3-4 character birthdays, so it wouldn't really break the bank.
Ive been wondering this the last few days as well. Considering how value they are I would think we should see more
adding them as abyss rewards would be cool
So I was one of those players that was foolish enough to belive that Standard Pulls would be better to get the Standaed 5-stars rather than pulling on limited. I was DESPERATE for Mona and would do anything to get her.
The number of in-game primos I wasted on standard banner would make you WEEP.
And the result was abysmal. I did eventually get Mona, just not on Standard.
I got Mona from the Noelle banner and kept using her as an on field DPS. It took me a whole year to understand that her kit is that of a buffer, now I use her properly in a Scaramouche freeze team.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 Yeah I use her in my Scara freeze team too. In my opinion the trickiest thing to get right with her burst is the timing. Once you get the rhythm, she's amazing as an enemy de-buffer.
And let me guess, you only use her default outfit.
That, or you are also a devout of the cult of Roxy Migurdia.
@@leonardoalvarenga7572 omg, i did the same & got her from noelle banner too!! tbh i still occasionally use her as a dps, even more recently since she retired from my ayaka freeze. she's quite fun and i have her normals and burst crowned simply because i love her as a character.
i've gotten two Amber's out of doing singles on the standard banner and that honestly has made me feel luckier then winning any 50/50😭
I feel luckier than a lot of people just by having a C6 Kaeya from pulling on the standard banner xD
Same but with Kaeya and Lisa LMFAO
I got kaeya at 64 pity and then 1 pull later I got keqing
The fact that I keep getting Amber and Lisa but no Kaeya…. And I main Kaeya too 😑
@@j.j.juggernaut9709 I'll give u kaeya luck
I do think it's something that should be fixed, because people having better chances at getting constellations for standard 5* characters or more standard 5* weapons is important imo.
While standard 5* weapons aren't the best for anyone, they are still far enough to help with abyss stuff, and same with standard 5* characters and their constellations (especially for Dehya or Tighnari).
I personally think they should give a few standard wishes every abyss and theatre too, like they're doing with Star Rail and the SU, just to help a bit.
I wish they'd give out more. I wouldn't mind a chance for more 4 star characters/weapons, especially if the 4 stars on limited banners are ones I have.
Like, I'm sure the Standard banner would've treated me better than c6'ing an already maxed Dori twice over.
Thinking about it, they should do an Inazuma Chronicled wish right here, right now. Ayaka, Ayato, Yae Miko, Yoimiya, Kokomi, and Itto are all pushing on a year without a banner (Itto is lowest at 7 months, Kokomi is over 14) and have been pushed out of the high tier of units, but are still good enough that the chance to go for one and loose 50:50 to another is potentially worth the opportunity cost of pulling natlan units.
You'd need 2 wishes for that. You know they'll always have half standard five stars on these banners, to simulate 50/50.
i assume liyue chronicled will come first
Regarding the rework for Chronicled Wish at 6:50 - I talked to a friend about that not long ago. And if you look into the limited Banner's description they specifically state that the promoted character will not get added to "Wanderlust Invocation", which I think can be used as a bit of a loophole if they just make another standard banner but call it something different. Because they technically didn't marketed them incorrectly.
Granted, I don't believe that'll happen simply because of the outcry that would bring, I think. But yeah, would just keep that at the back of your mind.
Standard banner is so outdated, that the only value standard pulls have for me is the starglitter. Also i kinda hate half of the 5* roster, because i mostly get them instead of something i wanted. My C4 tighnari is benched forever because he is C4, a reminder of what I could have.
Also the only text on limited banner is that the character won't be available in the standard banner (identified by name) so they technically can create new banner with old limited characters that would be available with blue fates, but i don't see them changing anything
RNG gonna RNG. I've been playing since week 1, and I have never pulled a Diluc but recently hit C6 Qiqi and C5 Deyha, meanwhile my wife has a C5 Diluc w/ Gravestone.
I definitely agree that some kind of course charting should be implemented on Standard, especially for the 4-stars.
Same! tho I started in 2.3 but still no Diluc. Not complaining tho as I've somehow got C5 Tighnari since he released without touching his banner, and really love his playstyle, now his coveted c6 is within my grasp lol.
i would toss you some of my dilucs if i could loll! i'm gonna try to send you some of my diluc energy as a person whose last 3 50/50 losses have been to diluc.
Surprised you didn’t bring up Hoyo’s other titles. Like in zzz, the weekly content actually gives 1 standard pull per week on top of limited currency. I’m not sure if star rail is the same, but they even have a selector when you hit 300 pulls.
4:42 PLEASE HOYO I WANT A GOOD AGGROVATE TEAM FOR MY KEQING BUT I CAN NEVER PULL FISHCL
You can get two constellations of her a year from paimons bargains 😊that is C6 in just 3 years ;) well 3.5 years if you are still missing her 🙈
@LEHeak ... My stardust is in as much debt as my bank account 💀
How long has it been since she's been on a banner? Surely she's coming up soon
Buy her from Paimon's bargains
When the game first came out it was reasonable to pull on the standard banner. You wanted to fill out your 4* roster, get useful 4* weapons and of course then-meta 5* characters and weapons. Rewards were a lot more generous and there was only a single banner character so if you already got them or didn't want them the standard banner was the next best place to wish.
Three reasons for the downfall:
1. Standard banner 5*s were quickly powercrept and joined by very underwhelming characters
2. A big dropoff in 4* character quality
3. Persistent rumors that the standard banner would get "fixed", encouraging players to hoard their acquaint fates. For this reason Hoyo will probably never deliver any sort of "fix"
But i really want the 5 stars weapons on the standard not the characters 🤧 (I wish we can pick a 4 and a weapon in the Anniversary)
Grinds my gears because HSR lets you nap one or two weekly, which dont sound like much but they add up, considering how rare they are otherwise.
Hearing about your Fichl reminds me how lucky I am to have her c6 😅 and other units that collect dust (I have Raiden for Fichl replacement). the last free 5* event netted me my first Diluc who was my last standard 5* that was eluding me. I also have c6 Sucrose collecting dust after getting Kazuha back in the day 😂 and slightly more recently I benched Noelle after I got Navia and Chiori (Kachina to pair with Chiori) on their first banners (not a total comparison but my other units make up for the healing aspect of her kit)
They definitely should give more. Let us pick what char we want too on standard and have a guarantee every other time. I want C6 Keqing, her constellations aren't very good but i have played her nearly every single day since launch.
wait but if u think about it, we dont really get limited pulls outside of anniverssarry and monthly thing, we just receive primos and convert all of it to more limitied pulls.
They could add some to the abyss. Like when you complete the abyss 12-3 36 Stars you’ll get 10 standard pulls. Same with the theater
I really want to c6 kaeya, Lisa and amber
3:33 I CARE i have a standard only account
ugh me out here wanting the stupid ass Amos Bow off the standard banner, knowing i aint ever gonna see that damn thing.. please stop giving me 5 star polearms off the standard hoyo, ALL MY POLEARM USERS I'VE BUILT ALREADY HAVE OPTIMAL WEAPONS PLEASE I DONT EVEN HAVE THAT MANY OF THEM PLEASEEEEEEEEE PLEASE JUST GIVE ME A FUCKING BOWW PLEASE sorry im normal
No this is fair I’ve been hoping for a bow as well I finally caved and got yelans limited, 4 years and I’ve got no bows but 5 5 star catalyst on standard 1 sword and 1 pole arm. R 3 lost prayer is actually really good but the rng is still crazy
I'm doing a 'no limited wishing/spending primos' thing on an account (I'm marking everything on the interactive map and i wanna see how many primos/wishes i get at the end) so i only use standard wishes but damn, it's hard going when i can barely scrounge a 10 pull of standard wishes while the limited ones 'taunt' me 😭
Standard banner would be 💯% better if they gave us an epitomized path with fate points for both 5* (2 fate pts?) And 4* (5 fate points?).
It woukd revitalize the banner if you could actually get cons for who you want in time.
I've been playing since launch day, and my Amber is STILL C0.
I've thought about playing an alt account where I ONLY spent primos/wished on the standard banner.
ive always been aware of this but like it never really truly dawned on me how goofy it was until i made a second genshin acc (because i began running out of things to do on my main) and like im far more interested in the standard banner on that account to pull random ass 4 star characters just so i can mess with ones i dont have on my main. its so weird flinging primoss at the standard banner bro, it almost feels illegal, but i got heizou from it which ive wanted since forever on my main andd STILL DONT FUCKING HAVE so i cant rlly call it a crime anymore i guess....
also got keqing really really early on because of so that was cool (i Also dont have her on my main >:[ )
Should be able to outright buy any character once. Get rid of the standard banner altogether. UNLESS they change standard to a re-run only banner. Still haven’t gotten Navia.
Didn’t Xilo either.
Waited eight months just to get Raiden C1, that’s bullshit.
no really.. 😭 its not horrible cause standard isnt high demand but i still think they should give a LOT more cause its STANDARD
Genshin needs something like Simulated Universe where you can get weekly a standard pull and some nice goodies as primogems and other stuff
Being able to chart course on Standard would also be nice for getting some of the more useful standard weapons. There are a few solid stat sticks that I wouldn't mind, but nope, C4 Diluc.
Only c3 Fischl? I'm so sorry, Juice! I hope you get 3 of her soon!
I would also like more Standard Banner pulls. I've only gotten one Skyward weapon and they look so cool!
same here, would be great for my aggro teams, would really like to see how it would buff my keqing considering how well keq drives her!!
same here, i think more pulls is simply never a bad thing; adding them as extra abyss rewards or theater rewards would be cool
In Honkai Star Rail they give us at least 1 standard pull ticket per week once you obtain all points from simulated universe.
As every month offers 5 free pulls from both standard and limited banners, I can make at least 10 standard pulls per month if I don’t spent any extra primos.
Sadly in Genshin as an F2P, I only able to get 3 standard pulls per patch. I still buy some from Paimon’s shop. So I can barely make 10 pulls once a patch. That means I need total of 7-8 patches to get a 5 star, 50% chance to get a weapon which I don’t want at all.
So it is a bit of a deal to me. I desperately need the star glitter on these patches where I’m not pulling. And I use standard pulls to fund my star glitter so that I can buy the monthly 10 pulls. I was only able to get 9/10 in October. And it’ll be more difficult this month than last because standard pulls are so rare. I’m not upset or anything, just trying my absolute best to optimize my pulls.
Th3 best thing the standard banner has to offer are the weapons and diluc. Id gladly take wolf grave stone and skyward harp. And even skyward spine for xiangling/raiden
I remember I was annoyed in my earlier days of Genshin because I got a Kaeya con from the standard banner (not knowing how rare starter cons are)
I got kaeya this morning and then keqing right after
We need more standard banner pulls. Just don’t do it at the cost of limited banner pulls. TL;DR: Give us more pulls.
It's a bit of a feedback loop. Genshin almost never adds new standard 5-stars (only two in four years!) and most of them aren't that good or have mediocre cons. That means standard pulls aren't appealing, so they don't increase the amount we get, and they don't add more standard 5-stars because the banner is unpopular, and around and around.
4-stars have low marketing value, so they don't care about those either. A lot of the 4-star weapons (mainly Fav and Sac) are extremely useful but total RNG to get; just throwing more standard fates at us would help a lot, since it guarantees roughly 50% weapons on average (unlike the event banners, where people spend most of their wishes and get mostly characters).
5:20 here’s a more extreme example. I’ve been playing since 1.2, and I still don’t have Razor. It’s a meme for me at this point. IDC, really, but it’s a point against having everything be up to luck.
Play this game from day 1 released.
I only got 2 5star character in freaking 5 year in standard banner.
I've been playing for 2 months I got keqing and diluc on standard and 6 5 stars from limited. I've only lost 1 50/50 and got mona. Is this luck? I'm still kinda new so idk
SIX??
@@sehrish1837 ye
@@KinichIsTheOne you're lucky I think
I would say even Mona isn't that bad of a character to lose your 50/50 to
@@sehrish1837 I might build her
Putting a theme every month for four stars with a higher probability on the standard banner would be something. Example, four stars of a specific element or region have a higher probability of being pulled in the standard banner for a month
talking about standard banner, I got C2 amber from standard today lol. I also have C1 Lisa :D.
I hope I can keep hitting pity in standard banner, I NEED aquila favonia. As long as I get anything jean/useful for jean I'll be happy amen.
Love the topics lately Juice! More discussions, more Juice~
I am curious how this will continue if they add more characters to Standard, making some units even more unattainable. Really good points and reflections
I also find my lucky striking - nearly have lost every 50/50 and have to reach high pity before I ever get my Limited pull. And I DESPISE Keqing, losing to her in place of Furina and Navia D: Certainly hope my luck will change because talk about precedent!
i just wish we could atleast choose one weapon in standard banner, every time i lose weapon banner or get a weapon in standard i just receive celestial spear :")
I literally got my first amber constellation last night it’s crazy
I got kaeya this morning :D And then keqing right after
Funnily enough, I got 4 of the 5 kujo sara cons that I need and 3 of the 4 faruzan cons that I have
Funny :D I just mentioned that in the last survey and now I see your video :D I don't understand why they are so rare, I think they could give out a lot more! It would not hurt them. I only have 3 of the standart 5 star weapons and it would be nice to have some more of them ^^
Because gachas were created to scam people? In the first place, standart banners exist to give even less actual pulls to the players (standart pulls are placebo). It is done to artificially inflate currency value, and to keep players desiring rare characters without giving them anything (aka to push into donating).
I'm one of those who never loses 50 50s, and I most of them except for Tighnari and Keqing. The ones I got where usually from the Standard Banner. I have a C1 Diluc and Dehya (one I got in Noelle's beginner banner, the other two were the 50/50s I lost). I purposely chose Qiqi for the anniversary pull, because I never got her before.
I do agree it's strange that this game lacks consistent blue little ball pulls, especially compared to Star Rail (about 40 away from the free 5 star in less than 8 months playing).
Call me stupid but I regret picking Jean in the anniversary and should have picked Dehya instead, I picked Jean because I had Furina but I like using not that popular healers like Qiqi (freeze team w/ Chongyun) and Barbara (Mono hydro) so I basically benched Jean and I wanted to see if I could make a melt/vape/freeze team with Furina, Dehya, Qiqi and Kazuha out of curiosity.. So I've just been longing to get Dehya but with how hard it is to get standard pulls I'm no where near close to it :(
Hoyo's working, building a mystery. They are holding on and holding it in, choosing so carefully.
As an Amber main, my friends keep me at bay on not spending all of my primos on standard wishes. I only get to wish on it like every 2 battle passes. She's finally at C4 because of the last Starglitter exchange, but I'd REALLY like to get her up to C6. But seriously, since it's the supposed Standard banner, buying standard fates should be much cheaper, not 160.
Am I missing something here? If you don't spend any money, every patch they give you about 5 standard pulls in battle pass while only the Archon Quest give you 1 or 2(maybe not at all if that patch doesn't have story update)
i’m working under the assumption that primogems = only limited pulls
It honestly kinda sucks cause both HSR and ZZZ have weekly standard pull income outside of the battle pass, so it moves much quicker in those games and I think it makes it more interesting. It's always pretty hype when you get a 4* constellation that you've been longing for randomly on standard (my c6 Faruzan and Gorou came there for example), there's also some of the best gacha 4* weapons in the pool too, more favonius weapons are always welcome for example. Also getting 5* characters you want from the banner is great too, I think I got 3 of my 6 Tighanri pulls from standard! I still don't even have Diluc and not many other standard cons so it's not that I'm whaling on there, just have insane "luck" when losing 50/50 and on standard pulls. I definitely think increasing the pull income would be great, as long as it's not at the cost of limited pulls.
It's been 1200+ days playing this game but still didn't get any Jean Constellation (got Jean on 1st day) and got Tignari through aniversary selection
Probably because Genshin doesn't have a "Do 300 Pulls and choose a 5 Stars" system in the Standard Banner like in HSR and ZZZ.
Those games give you more Standard Pulls since otherwise it would take forever to accumulate 300 Pulls (Not that it doesn't already, I only hit 300 pulls in HSR after 1 year), so if one of these days Genshin adds this to the Standard Banner (Which will probably happen since everything in HSR and ZZZ ends up arriving in Genshin too) they will also have to add some recurring source of Standard Pulls (Maybe some kind of weekly Imaginary Theater activity)
Ive never get a standard 5* before 75 pity....
Hell i only pull on that for the purpose of certain 4 stars since Amber, Kaeya, and Lisa are rare (it took the chronicle banner to finally get cons for Amber and I've had her at c0 for over 3 years!)
Sometimes, I’ll get a decent four star character from the weapons banner that’s not one of the promoted one on the character banner.
Most recently I got a Kuki con. That helps a little.
4:28 never change Juice, mever change.
;D ❤️
I usually go for standard pulls when I have 90 acquaint fates. I’m really close to it now, but I’ll wait for 5.3 cause I’m skipping Chaka and I rather have a rare chance to get Ororon than spending everything next month.
Since last time I’ve got Jadewing spear, I think I’ll get a character next
i think they should add something like star rails standard selector so you can select a character or weapon you want after 300 wishes which would make the standard banner better even if you get less pulls
I personally they should do a rotation every month and increase chances for certain 4 stars like the limited banner. Maybe Jan have Lisa, Noelle with increase chance. Then have February Kaeya and Amber or something. No one pulls on Standard and this might help those who want constellations for the 4 stars. Just my opinion.
would ve cool if they changed those standard pulls to work on weapon banners too, so you could work towards geting weapons by saving the blue fates
Fr 😭 why are they rarer than the more desired pulls, the Intertwined fates?
its really funny to me
like, hey man i’ll gladly take more limited pulls! but why are standard pulls randomly so rare in comparison 😭
I actually like getting Keqing, as she was my first 5 star, and was my main DPS for the early game. I have her up to C5 at this point. I don't use her much, but I am trying to get her last constellation just because.
Honestly what I've seen done in other gacha's is giving the player Limited Pulls as login/event rewards for anniversary, but then allowing the player to also do 50 free standard Pulls (so ur not given 50 Acquaint Fates, u just get to pull with needing them).
I literally waited since I started playing (almost 3 years ago) to get a copy of Qixing on my main account... So yeah, standard banner really need some changes.
I also wanted C2 Dehya since her release and I'll probably have to wait two years to get it (currently C0) because my C5 Diluc keeps stealing my 50/50 losses for himself 🤡
The only one i want from the standard pull is Keqing. But sadly she has eluded me.
I wished they'd give us a weekly quest that would give us 1 or 2 standard fate pulls.
At least then it'll add some incentives.
And that Qiqi has come to me more often than most. I already got her to c5.
Some extra pity would be nice.
I think blue fates aren't that big of an issue but I'm almost into my second year no Mona some people really like certain characters and want them but they never come home. As for standard weapons I've pulled very few in the 2 year period I think maybe 3 hard to say since I only use one but I think the banner needs a rework then an actual here's more wishes. Like a selector would be nice or some way to plan that you get a 4* character or even a weapon. I'm talking to you sac sword still waiting for one of those. Same for 5 stars as well a selector would be nice so I know at some point I'll actually acquire something I actually want or need
i think its also because we can get intertwined fates with starglitters we get from those pulls and they want to avoid we getting too many of those
This is the one thing that I really have to give credit to Tower of Fantasy for. Getting your primos equivalent from completing weeklies, while your dailies get you 1 normal standard pull and 3 for the separate standard banner with no pity system just always meant that you had so many opportunities to pull and made sure you had lots of chances to get whatever standard banner characters you wanted, especially since they added units to it every few months. If only the power creep hadn't been so bad to make getting those characters useless a lot of the time.
6:47 I don't see a reason why they can't have chronicle wish use standard banner fates. As the only restriction on limited characters is that they can't be on the Wanderlust Invocation banner, that is all.
Standsrd is actually really useful because of the weapons! I only have skyward blade and jade spear, ive been playing since 2.0
meanwhile me not having gotten a single Favonius sword on the Standard Banner EVER
I wish there was a mode you played to get 1 standard pull weekly like in star rail and Zenless. I'm somehow always low on Starglitter in Genshin while I have so much extra of those currencies in Star rail and Zenless.
4:41 I think it's unlikely they'll let you chart courses for 4stars, for the simple fact that this is a gambling game. I believe it's more likely for them to change the guarantee 4star to each 5 pulls instead of 10 because of the amount of 4stars in this game keeps increasing
Technically you get more standard pulls than limited. It's just we use our primos for limited pulls exclusively but in terms of straight up fates we get more standards
Unrelated but when you talked about how limited characters are easier than permanent pulls, it reminded me when I was able to win my 50/50's and ended up getting Emelie, Mualani, c1 Kinich, and Xilonen all in a row until I got Mona early after pulling 5 more times after xilonen came home😁
I started the game in 1.0 and have acquired C6 Diluc, Qiqi, Keqing and Jean. It feels extra bad to lose 50/50's and get one of those.
Gotta get that gambling addiction fed
It's because they don't want you to max out your 4 stars and standard 5 stars with tons of standard banner pulls, making getting them instead of the limited 5 star you want from a banner even more enraging.
K was thinking this the other day. "Why have i not had a 10 pull on the standard banner for months". Probably because those pulls are moe free then limited.
Another strange thing, why does Intertwined & Aquaint fates cost the same? It is implied in the name that they (Aquaint) are less worth!
And a reduced price would encourage players to buy.
i personally feel like we should need lower hard pity on the standard banner instead of more pulls, like 80. myself, i really want Dehya constellations but i never ever got her outside of her release banner and the aniversary rewards
I would actually like a few standard characters, but I am 80 pity, and then get a weapon I don't need🙈 Definitely takes a very long to get standard wishes, and then you get something you don't want on the banner....
The fact that we can 100 limited pulls in one month but only 10 standard is really crazy to me
4 years in and i finally got my first 5* claymore (gravestone) off standard banner 😅🤣
That is true... I wish they were obtainable via weekiies (akin to Star Rail). And also that 4-star weapon banner-exclusive weapons shouldn't exist, since it's a 4-star after all
i usually pick up a few from SU every now & then, would make sense to have a more easy way to get ‘em
i think perhaps getting more from toy medals might be nice? since poses are cosmetic, but people might actually care for standard wishes more
Bruh some games even have the same currency for both Default banner and event banners
funnily enough once i hit 70 pity on standard naturally i start using primos cause i wanna see what im gonna get 😭
Me who pulled a back to back weapon on my standard banner, got Skyward spine then afterwards Wolf's Gravestone
one of these days im gonna get bored and just ascend all my characters to 80 for the free pulls and see how many 5 stars i get
16,000 primos worth of standard pulls a year from battle pass and shop... 8,000 primos a month. 1/6th of wishes are standard.
For me its because I have TOO MANY standards, like I just went for my first 50/50 and guess who I lost my 50 50 to? A STANDARD. CHARACTER.