The only problem Jim is as the upgrades occur so do the improvisations and we are not really left comparing mouthpieces alone but how you are playing as well. Please simplify for a true sound / tone comparison. Thanks :-)
IMHO, he plays to their strengths or show key dif.. The point is one still have to go try ARMED with his brief summary of each that is most helpful, in a short video i affirm some understanding of the key dif between Y, selmer, otto, meyer, JJ, van, etc, and THAT is VERY GOOD already. Some can play a lot but we cannot really APPRECIATE what the KEY dif are and why that sound/tone?
Yeah I had the same problem. Specially at the later portions I really can't tell the difference anymore because I can't separate between what's the mp is supposed to sound vs what he is playing on it.
David Hawkins I think the only way to do it is to have a load of saxes lined up with the mouthpieces already set up and tuned with the same Reed. Or swap the same reed over for each take/mouthpiece, then tune it...then start recording and play from sheet music, then the same scale(s) to a metronome. Then improvise a bit based on how the specific reed pulls you. Prior to the improv, would be perhaps an attempt at classical, an attempt at jazz, and blues. This sounds like overkill, but I’m a sysadmin by day.
Very well done Jim. Personally for me it's difficult to hear the differences as much as I would like. But as you said, the best thing is if people can play them all and then they will be able to clearly see which one feels and sounds the best for them. You are doing a fabulous job for the sax community Jim! Sincerely, Jody Espina
Excellent video. I've just bought an D'addario Select Jazz D6M and played it for the first time for two hours. I always use cork grease but the MP still went on very tight. When I twisted off the MP it removed 1/3rd of the neck cork with it. My previous MP was a Selmer S80 C** and that fitted on pretty tight but the inside of the MP was very smooth so it never damaged the cork. On inspection I found the D'addario MP very rough on the inside and using a piece of very fine Emery paper turned around a 15mm tube I polished the inside until it was smooth and shiney. It's a shame that I didn't inspect the inside of the MP before I played it, because that would have saved my neck-cork. So here's the warning guys: Always check the inside of a new MP before fitting it on your sax!!!
Where I am located, there is no store that I'm aware of in at least a 5 hour radius where I can actually try playing different mouthpieces or saxophones for that matter. So, I pretty much have to go off of a video like this, and after playing saxophone for more than 15 years I think this video is the best resource I have ever found. For me, the Otto Link sounds like the mouthpiece I would choose, with the Meyer being a second choice. I have barely played over the last 3 years, I need to get back into it and work on getting myself an Otto Link.
I've not been a fan of the Meyer 5M that I bought - it sounds a bit strangled. I much prefer the open sound of my Yamaha 4C. I'd like to have a mouthpiece that sounds open like the 4C but a little more delicate for the occasions where the sound of the 4C is too robust.
Thank you! Upgraded my daughter to a C* then to a concept. The concept is superior in my opinion. In fact her instructor whom has a masters degree in saxophone and is a Yamaha artist asked what mouth piece she is using on two different occasions. Told me that he wished many of his college students had that sound. Seriously consider the concept!! I might add we also upgraded her to a Theo Wanne ligature using the silver plate. WOW!!
Joe Caruso - completely agree on the concept. I have the Selmer concept and play in a community orchestra and receive compliments on sound. It is warm and darker and completely agree with the presenter’s assessment (he did a great job). While I try to avoid the gear acquisition syndrome, I also have a D’addario and I can tell the difference - it is good tooand I find projects louder and more focussed. The only problem is the bore (where it fits on the cork) on those really wears down the cork- but otherwise great piece and I really wouldn’t hesitate recommending it.. But for my community band and the type of music (classical-ish)the Concept is a better fit. But I am glad I have the D’Addario too and wouldn’t part with it
Grant, the only reason I commented is because I have indeed tested for myself. For example, at the moment, I have a sample size of 3 ligatures. Each one is different from the next. A standard Rovner (Dark) plays a bit down the middle, but it's held back from expression because it has too much resistance. You can only blow so much air through it until the effort becomes fruitless. It doesn't allow for free blowing and expressive sound. If you're soloing and don't have to stand out, you can deal with a bit of muffle. The Rovner Mark 3 is a great mix of mellow sound but freedom to blow and play to any side you choose. You can make it mellow, or you can ramp it up to a loud expressive sound with a great possibility for articulation and crispness. The two Rovners are very different from one another. Not to mention the sound change when you flip the lig upside down. The only metal ligature I have at the moment is a Yani, and it is by far the brightest of the 3. It's the brightest and most expressive and allows the most free playing and ability to attack the notes. Paired with the right reed and mouthpiece it can be very bright sounding and would easily cut through in a group. There are several players that claim ligs only hold reeds in place, then there are those they claim they will transform the life of your first born. I don't agree with either extreme. I've tried several over the years and they each add their own special ingredient to the pot. To say otherwise is to do yourself an injustice. We are all in search of a certain sound, which is why we watch these videos incessantly. The mix of the 3 parts of mouthpiece, reed, and ligature is a never ending source of consternation to a player because each has the ability to tweak the sound that we're looking to achieve, and the one at which we currently have arrived. There is no one size fits all formula, this is evidenced by the number of options on the market. At the moment, my Rovner Mark 3 is my favorite lig. It's my best all rounder, and combined with my Meyer 6, and a 2.5 Hemke reed gives me the sweet sound I like. If I need to cut through, I'll change to a VanDoren ZZ or Alexander NY which allow for more expression and articulation, and switch to a metal lig. There's no comparison. In the right setting I might even use a Plasticover reed. There's so much variation to be found, I'm sad for you if you're missing it. I'd recommend you play around and find your favorite combo. *Edited to correct the ligature specifics. The more I was thinking about it, something felt off on my description. I went back and checked the original boxes and cleared up the exact models of Rovner I (thought I) was describing.
Jim this is the greatest lesson about different sounds that each mouthpiece can make with just one horn, more especially the beginner student one. I never had the opportunity to test all that because of a lack of saxophone-selling gear stores where I live. Thanks.
Been playing alto sax for about 5 years now and started to play tenor this year. I’ve never changed my basic plastic mouthpiece. Guess it’s time I get an upgrade. Thx for the tips.
I bought a student alto saxophone just over a month ago and upgraded to the Yamaha 4C mouthpiece and Rico 2.0 reeds a Legere Signature 2 reed. It was easier to control and my playing improved but not a lot, expected that as a beginner. More recently after seeing this, I wanted to try a different mouthpiece but not being able to go anywhere that I could test some, after seeing this I wanted a mouthpiece that wouldn't be restricting to what I could play so bought the Meyer 6M and a Rovner Versa ligature with Legere 2 1/4 reeds. I liked the sound of the D'addario Select Jazz, but with people saying its tight fitting and can take of the cork on the neck, I decided to not get it. After getting the moutpiece, I found the Meyer was a a bit tight fitting on my saxophone neck and even with a good amount of cork grease (may need a little more) it shaved off a slight amount of cork when I was removing it over the easy fitting Yamaha 4C. Despite that, when I started playing on it, I found I was able to get a better sound almost instantly and was able to have more control over the sound and tone. I first used the Rovner Versa Lig with the metal plate resting on the reed and I was getting the bright, big sound you mentioned (my neighbours will like that I am sure!), but with the Rovner versa lig, I put the rubber flaps over the plate and played again and got a bit of a more darker tone which I was able to control more. Almost sounded like I was playing a different saxophone at first there was such a difference in the sound.
very interesting video Jim thank you ! I'm playing with the Yamaha 4C as beginner for 8 months and you video will help me for the next , very informative thank you. Cheers from Belgium
I 've playing since August, where I baught my sop. sax ... and I already upgrade d my mouth piece , so if in doubt you can't go wrong with the Jodi Jazz 6*, beutiful, warm, full sound and free blowing ... I just started using val. 2.5 V12 reeds, I like the resistance. ..and so far, the best tone Imo .... great video, keep up the good work, I'll be wanting a tenor soon ;)
Hi, it seems like it's a 6*, which is standard medium, equivalent to Meyer 7. I switched from Selmer S80 to Otto Link 6* and it was a happy change! I use it with Rico Jazz 3.5. Hope this helps!
Oh, mann, there's more to mouthpieces than I thought! Thanks for these demonstrations, Jim. Total beginner here. Still on my 'Yamaha 4C' and don't really have a style yet. Definitely liked the sounds made on the 'Meyer' and 'Jody Jazz'. Looking forward to upgrading time!
USEFUL! Exactly similar to my experience - Played 4 years, from 4C to S-80 C* to Otto etc, etc, but my goto is JODY HR on YAS62 (then TJ signature custom raw which sounds better than Yamaha IMHO). JJ is open, lively, with just enough brightness, edge, loudness and punch, easy to control the sound you want with dif reeds and ligs. An mpc you can keep. To ME, the jazz select sounds most interesting - perhaps WHY you put as LAST and favourite w/o saying so. THANKS brilliant video. suggest u run up the whole scale for us to compare AND play dif things after to show their strengths.
I've been playing with a cheap plastic mouthpiece for 3 years of band and I never thought of upgrading until my teacher told us about it and I'm troubled on what to get but I think ill go for the meyer
Don't knock plastic. Brilhart's mouthpieces from before they were bought out by Selmer (especially the early Great Neck, NY pieces) are some of the best mouthpieces ever made (and were certainly good enough for giants like Charlie Parker, Benny Carter, and Johnny Hodges). Two years ago I was trying out a bunch of pieces at my local shop, including a few modern Meyer, Berg Larsen, and Vandoren hard rubber pieces without much luck. Then I popped on a Brilly Personaline tonalin, and my horn absolutely SANG. Now I play on a Great Neck (also tonalin) and I'll never play another piece again on my alto again.
I played for 10 years on the 4c and just realized that there is such a thing as upgrading the mouthpiece. Lol I'm dumb. I'll upgrade to the vandoren jumbo java
Thankyou, I recently upgraded my tenor saxophone mouthpiece from the poor quality plastic one I got, to a much nicer one, before my mouthpiece made it so my saxophone couldn’t play past a D without ruining the tone, so I was using overtones only. Thankyou so much
Thanks for the demo. I bought a used Yamaha 480 alto and came with a Selmer S80 C* and it wasn't free blowing enough and didn't seal great. I bought another Selmer S80 C* (was supposed to be original facing curve and tip) and had the same situation. I like the tone profile by means of being dark, having enough focus, etc. just I don't seem to have some lack of definition and free blowing experience with Vandoren traditional #3 compared to Yamaha 4C that came with my sax. I like to see in the realm of note definition (classical) and warm and kinda dark tone like Selmer C*, is there any other good mouthpiece (free blowing, fast response, good clear staccato, good control for pitch, in the same tip opening as Selmer C* or C** out there that you can point at? Thanks a lot.
Interresting comparssion. I'll watch this video again in a few years, when I master my new Instrument well enough that that the limiting factor will be not me, but the Mouthpiece... I'm an absolute Beginner, bought me a Yamaha YAS 280 (4C Mouthpiece was standard) about a month ago. So I guess the only Upgrades I'll need for a long time is emboucher and breath training -> peroids of long tone exercises. (and learning how to read notes...) Exciting times!
@@cj_ocean Uploaded 2 Vids recently about my Progress (have 3 months of practice now). I'm not the fastest learner, but I have much fun. Started Yesderday to learn some songs for Xmas...
i've had 10 lessons by now, started 21th of July, this week, last monday 5-10-20, i purchased a YAS 25, and it came with 2Yam4c mpc. the day after i went to the local retailer, its in the same village i live, and bought myself a Selmer Concept.... i playtested a Yam Custom, Vandooren Optimum, Selmer Cstar, Selmer Concept and a Selmer Seles Prologue.... the Concept came out the best for me, it plays so easily, nice sound and easy for tuning.
If using the same (new?) reed, as the test progresses the reed will absorb water and sound much better. Best test would be to play the same phrases and then again in reverse order to negate water absorption effect.
I've really found a JD Hite has a great sound on it. They had a pro line, but I purchased a cheap version for my Tenor and it performed almost as well. Great range, no squeaks you can get a nice "chewy" sound if you want... I just like them. I also purchased (many years back) a metal Rovner mouthpiece. I love that mouthpiece, and I don't know why they don't make them any more (not that I've seen anywhere)... It had a HUGE deep chamber, and just played strong.
I meant to order an Otto Link Tone Edge 6* but ended up ordering an 8* by accident, and it was the hardest transition I've ever made, especially from a Jupiter generic mouthpiece. I have gotten used to it, however, and it has great tone.
Very informative, i am on basic plastic that came with my saxophone and looking to upgrade as a learner still, not sure what would be best for me. Yamaha 4c or Selmer C*
I can easily hear the difference.. Of course if you can't stick with the cheap one. But I am thinking that he plays differently expecting the cheap sound. Fair enough I had to edit because there was a mention of reed quality and strength. But that is equally as important as the mouthpiece. The Jody was quite bright, I think the Vandoren would be my choice, warmer tone, but then of course it could have been embouchure
When are you guys going to make another duet or quartet or trio etc.? (I think this is a question we all want to know) If you are, can it be one with Jim and Scott?
Hey, great video! Do you have any suggestions for an intermediate/pro alto mouthpiece (as opposed to a beginner mouthpiece) that leans toward a more jazzy tone but is capable of great warmth for classical playing? Thanks!
The Jody jazz has a wedge, which makes it perfect for smooth jazz, and rock and roll, The Meyer has the New York Chamber which is round , with a roll over baffle and hollowed out side walls for the true jazz Bebop mouthpiece of all time!!
I’m 5 years in and have just never been able to afford a mouthpiece upgrade and now my stock mouthpiece cracked so now I’m looking for a solid budget upgrade I was thinking Vandoren V16 A6 small chamber
I wish this video had been around 25 years ago! I do enjoy the 4C that came with my YAS-62 but would like better dynamics because the instrument is so naturally powerful. I bought a Meyer 5-medium decades ago but rarely use it because the 4C sounds more open. I want to have the option of a more delicate sound but not strangled. A bonus would be greater ability to bend and blend. With my Buescher I could do that easily and smoothly but the Yamaha "clings" to the notes so I regret not keeping both instruments.
So will I be able to bring in my tenor sax and try out a new mouthpiece? I am thinking about a new mouthpiece for my playing. I have a Selmer C* mouthpiece but I would like something to improve my overall quality and tone.
What would you recommend for concert band/wind symphony? I play on the standard mouthpiece that came with my A901 but I tend to stand out too much in my section and tuning gets worse the higher I go.
Ameliana TSIIX For classical music I personally use a Vandoren Optimum AL3. I used the s80 c* and switched due to personal preference. The Vandoren Optimum and Selmer s80 series seem to be the front runners. Some other good ones are the Rousseau mouthpieces and the Selmer s90 among many others
Ameliana TSIIX Some excellent choices include a Vandoren Optimum AL3, for a smooth, medium dark sound, Selmer S80 and Concept mpcs., for a more flexible tone, Rousseau NC, which are excellent but sometimes bright and need good air support, and possibly a Rascher or Caravan, which are fantastic but resistant. Best thing to do is go to a local sax shop or check with an online retailer like Sax.co.uk for their return policy
hey, I love your videos, and I'm finally going to great Britain this summer and I am excited to visit your shop in London. Is it possible to make a video comparing your favorite metal tenor mouthpieces? I think that would be a really great and helpful video I hope to see you there next summer!
Good video :) can you do one for tenor mouthpieces? I have played tenor sax for years and that is the only one I own. What's interesting to me is you find that several companies make their best mouthpieces for what seems to be one size of sax (alto, tenor, soprano, etc.) For example, Meyer mouthpieces are regarded as some of the best for jazz on alto, but not as highly for tenor. I recently had some things stolen from a suitcase of mind when traveling, particularly my V16 T9 rubber mouthpiece. So I've returned to my very first jazz mouthpiece (Otto link 6* - a great intermediate choice), and it plays well but I am looking to upgrade again soon. Sorry for the long comment, but does that make sense? I would love to get some input from a video or something, even one with metal mouthpieces too. What I've found on the internet when looking for my next best choice mouthpiece has actually been quite unhelpful
On the left, second from the top shelf, what is that reddish looking mouthpiece? And will you be doing similar videos for other types of saxophones, and possibly adding in metal mouthpieces?
Here is my question: I want to play classic tunes such as Lily was here, An englishman in New York, Careless Whispers etc so in order to be able to play said songs, to which mouthpiece do i need to upgrade...? PS: I forgot to mention, i just got an Alto Sax as a bday gift, and i have the standard mouthpiece that comes with the sax...
Careless Whisper was played on a stainless steel Berg Larsen, and was actually played on tenor (they manipulated the speed of the recording and that made it sound like an alto). With Lily Was Here, that's Candy Dulfer. She plays on a custom mouthpiece something like a Lebayle or Dukoff (according to her personal website). Both types are metal. Branford Marsalis played the sax part on Englishman in New York. This was a soprano sax, not alto, and I think he may have been playing on a Bari piece at the time. This was a hard rubber piece with a metal shank. Altogether, you're looking at a brighter, edgier mouthpiece.
It would have been helpful for me if you had indicated both the tip opening and reed strength you were using with each of the mouthpieces. Recently, I dug out a Kell Geometric alto mouthpiece I bought years ago, and I love it.
I've been playing Alto for 5 years and I've been using a c* for 4 of those years what would you recommend to upgrade for classical, also I just started playing Jazz this year what would you recommend getting for starting out on Jazz
Hello Jim how are you today? I have a quick question, so I play the Alto sax and tenor sax overtime I play on my Alto the sides of my mouth release air and I can play but there is air coming out from the sides from my mouth, and I've tried a selmer C* and a selmer concept and they both still make the air come out, do you think you can help me and figure out what is wrong?
Yamaha 4c 1:33
Selmer C** S80 5:19
Selmer concept 6:49
Meyer 6 8:01
Ottolink 10:08
Jody Jazz 11:06
Vandoren V5 12:21
D'addario Select Jazz 13:31
Thank you!
The only problem Jim is as the upgrades occur so do the improvisations and we are not really left comparing mouthpieces alone but how you are playing as well. Please simplify for a true sound / tone comparison. Thanks :-)
David Hawkins I was thinking the same thing
IMHO, he plays to their strengths or show key dif.. The point is one still have to go try ARMED with his brief summary of each that is most helpful, in a short video i affirm some understanding of the key dif between Y, selmer, otto, meyer, JJ, van, etc, and THAT is VERY GOOD already. Some can play a lot but we cannot really APPRECIATE what the KEY dif are and why that sound/tone?
Yeah I had the same problem. Specially at the later portions I really can't tell the difference anymore because I can't separate between what's the mp is supposed to sound vs what he is playing on it.
I totally agree.
David Hawkins I think the only way to do it is to have a load of saxes lined up with the mouthpieces already set up and tuned with the same Reed. Or swap the same reed over for each take/mouthpiece, then tune it...then start recording and play from sheet music, then the same scale(s) to a metronome. Then improvise a bit based on how the specific reed pulls you. Prior to the improv, would be perhaps an attempt at classical, an attempt at jazz, and blues. This sounds like overkill, but I’m a sysadmin by day.
Very well done Jim. Personally for me it's difficult to hear the differences as much as I would like. But as you said, the best thing is if people can play them all and then they will be able to clearly see which one feels and sounds the best for them. You are doing a fabulous job for the sax community Jim! Sincerely, Jody Espina
Whoa... didn't expect to see such a renowned mouthpiece manufacturer here. Nice.
What size tip opening did you use with the otto link mouth piece in this video?
Otto Link 6* is the same as Meyer 7MM
haahahaha, is difficult to hear differences
coming from a yamaha 4c, which would be the Jody Jet alto mouthpiece to get. As I saw from online stores, there are different sizes.
I love how the video seems so chill. The guy talking always has a nice voice and the playing is amazing. Love these quality videos.
Why would you play a different thing on each mouthpeice with a different style? Bias? There's no true evaluation and comparison.
Excellent video. I've just bought an D'addario Select Jazz D6M and played it for the first time for two hours. I always use cork grease but the MP still went on very tight. When I twisted off the MP it removed 1/3rd of the neck cork with it. My previous MP was a Selmer S80 C** and that fitted on pretty tight but the inside of the MP was very smooth so it never damaged the cork. On inspection I found the D'addario MP very rough on the inside and using a piece of very fine Emery paper turned around a 15mm tube I polished the inside until it was smooth and shiney. It's a shame that I didn't inspect the inside of the MP before I played it, because that would have saved my neck-cork. So here's the warning guys: Always check the inside of a new MP before fitting it on your sax!!!
*plays jazz*“this one sounds more jazzy” *plays basic Bb scale* “this one is really bland”
Where I am located, there is no store that I'm aware of in at least a 5 hour radius where I can actually try playing different mouthpieces or saxophones for that matter. So, I pretty much have to go off of a video like this, and after playing saxophone for more than 15 years I think this video is the best resource I have ever found. For me, the Otto Link sounds like the mouthpiece I would choose, with the Meyer being a second choice. I have barely played over the last 3 years, I need to get back into it and work on getting myself an Otto Link.
I've not been a fan of the Meyer 5M that I bought - it sounds a bit strangled. I much prefer the open sound of my Yamaha 4C. I'd like to have a mouthpiece that sounds open like the 4C but a little more delicate for the occasions where the sound of the 4C is too robust.
Thank you! Upgraded my daughter to a C* then to a concept. The concept is superior in my opinion. In fact her instructor whom has a masters degree in saxophone and is a Yamaha artist asked what mouth piece she is using on two different occasions. Told me that he wished many of his college students had that sound. Seriously consider the concept!! I might add we also upgraded her to a Theo Wanne ligature using the silver plate. WOW!!
truthfully, any ligature will sound fine....
Joe Caruso - completely agree on the concept. I have the Selmer concept and play in a community orchestra and receive compliments on sound. It is warm and darker and completely agree with the presenter’s assessment (he did a great job). While I try to avoid the gear acquisition syndrome, I also have a D’addario and I can tell the difference - it is good tooand I find projects louder and more focussed. The only problem is the bore (where it fits on the cork) on those really wears down the cork- but otherwise great piece and I really wouldn’t hesitate recommending it.. But for my community band and the type of music (classical-ish)the Concept is a better fit. But I am glad I have the D’Addario too and wouldn’t part with it
@@grantkoeller8911 not a true statement.
@@pimpovic2, I disagree , as you can test for yourself,,,,,truthfully, any ligature will sound fine....
Grant, the only reason I commented is because I have indeed tested for myself. For example, at the moment, I have a sample size of 3 ligatures. Each one is different from the next.
A standard Rovner (Dark) plays a bit down the middle, but it's held back from expression because it has too much resistance. You can only blow so much air through it until the effort becomes fruitless. It doesn't allow for free blowing and expressive sound. If you're soloing and don't have to stand out, you can deal with a bit of muffle.
The Rovner Mark 3 is a great mix of mellow sound but freedom to blow and play to any side you choose. You can make it mellow, or you can ramp it up to a loud expressive sound with a great possibility for articulation and crispness. The two Rovners are very different from one another. Not to mention the sound change when you flip the lig upside down.
The only metal ligature I have at the moment is a Yani, and it is by far the brightest of the 3. It's the brightest and most expressive and allows the most free playing and ability to attack the notes. Paired with the right reed and mouthpiece it can be very bright sounding and would easily cut through in a group.
There are several players that claim ligs only hold reeds in place, then there are those they claim they will transform the life of your first born.
I don't agree with either extreme. I've tried several over the years and they each add their own special ingredient to the pot. To say otherwise is to do yourself an injustice. We are all in search of a certain sound, which is why we watch these videos incessantly. The mix of the 3 parts of mouthpiece, reed, and ligature is a never ending source of consternation to a player because each has the ability to tweak the sound that we're looking to achieve, and the one at which we currently have arrived.
There is no one size fits all formula, this is evidenced by the number of options on the market.
At the moment, my Rovner Mark 3 is my favorite lig. It's my best all rounder, and combined with my Meyer 6, and a 2.5 Hemke reed gives me the sweet sound I like. If I need to cut through, I'll change to a VanDoren ZZ or Alexander NY which allow for more expression and articulation, and switch to a metal lig. There's no comparison. In the right setting I might even use a Plasticover reed.
There's so much variation to be found, I'm sad for you if you're missing it. I'd recommend you play around and find your favorite combo.
*Edited to correct the ligature specifics. The more I was thinking about it, something felt off on my description. I went back and checked the original boxes and cleared up the exact models of Rovner I (thought I) was describing.
Jim this is the greatest lesson about different sounds that each mouthpiece can make with just one horn, more especially the beginner student one. I never had the opportunity to test all that because of a lack of saxophone-selling gear stores where I live. Thanks.
Best sound with Selmer Concept and Meyer HR 6M, to me, old man who played all saxophones till my years of age. Thanks Jim. And good play you gave us.
I have been playing jazz for a little while now, I have noticed that even variations in reed placement can have a pretty big impact on my jazz tone
Excellent video - I loved the Otto Link. Punchy with some soulful smokeyness in there hidden away.
Been playing alto sax for about 5 years now and started to play tenor this year. I’ve never changed my basic plastic mouthpiece. Guess it’s time I get an upgrade. Thx for the tips.
I bought a student alto saxophone just over a month ago and upgraded to the Yamaha 4C mouthpiece and Rico 2.0 reeds a Legere Signature 2 reed. It was easier to control and my playing improved but not a lot, expected that as a beginner. More recently after seeing this, I wanted to try a different mouthpiece but not being able to go anywhere that I could test some, after seeing this I wanted a mouthpiece that wouldn't be restricting to what I could play so bought the Meyer 6M and a Rovner Versa ligature with Legere 2 1/4 reeds. I liked the sound of the D'addario Select Jazz, but with people saying its tight fitting and can take of the cork on the neck, I decided to not get it.
After getting the moutpiece, I found the Meyer was a a bit tight fitting on my saxophone neck and even with a good amount of cork grease (may need a little more) it shaved off a slight amount of cork when I was removing it over the easy fitting Yamaha 4C. Despite that, when I started playing on it, I found I was able to get a better sound almost instantly and was able to have more control over the sound and tone. I first used the Rovner Versa Lig with the metal plate resting on the reed and I was getting the bright, big sound you mentioned (my neighbours will like that I am sure!), but with the Rovner versa lig, I put the rubber flaps over the plate and played again and got a bit of a more darker tone which I was able to control more. Almost sounded like I was playing a different saxophone at first there was such a difference in the sound.
next time, please play the same excerpt or notes so that we can hear the differences more clearly. thank you
very interesting video Jim thank you ! I'm playing with the Yamaha 4C as beginner for 8 months and you video will help me for the next , very informative thank you. Cheers from Belgium
I’m in the exact same boat as you were when you posted this 2 years ago 😂. Got myself a JodyJazz HR* :)
I 've playing since August, where I baught my sop. sax ... and I already upgrade d my mouth piece , so if in doubt you can't go wrong with the Jodi Jazz 6*, beutiful, warm, full sound and free blowing ... I just started using val. 2.5 V12 reeds, I like the resistance. ..and so far, the best tone Imo .... great video, keep up the good work, I'll be wanting a tenor soon ;)
Please do this for Bari! (and Tenor)
Thepineapplemonk We'll try go through all the saxes when we get time 👍🏻
What size tip opening did you use with the otto link mouth piece in this video?
Hi, it seems like it's a 6*, which is standard medium, equivalent to Meyer 7. I switched from Selmer S80 to Otto Link 6* and it was a happy change! I use it with Rico Jazz 3.5. Hope this helps!
Sax .co.uk you better lol
I almost fell into a peaceful, relaxing slumber listening to your voice! I forgot I was looking for sax mouthpieces 😂
Best comparison of affordable Upgrade mouthpieces for alto. And Great playing and Sound too.
Oh, mann, there's more to mouthpieces than I thought! Thanks for these demonstrations, Jim. Total beginner here. Still on my 'Yamaha 4C' and don't really have a style yet. Definitely liked the sounds made on the 'Meyer' and 'Jody Jazz'. Looking forward to upgrading time!
USEFUL! Exactly similar to my experience - Played 4 years, from 4C to S-80 C* to Otto etc, etc, but my goto is JODY HR on YAS62 (then TJ signature custom raw which sounds better than Yamaha IMHO). JJ is open, lively, with just enough brightness, edge, loudness and punch, easy to control the sound you want with dif reeds and ligs. An mpc you can keep. To ME, the jazz select sounds most interesting - perhaps WHY you put as LAST and favourite w/o saying so. THANKS brilliant video. suggest u run up the whole scale for us to compare AND play dif things after to show their strengths.
I've been playing with a cheap plastic mouthpiece for 3 years of band and I never thought of upgrading until my teacher told us about it and I'm troubled on what to get but I think ill go for the meyer
Don't knock plastic. Brilhart's mouthpieces from before they were bought out by Selmer (especially the early Great Neck, NY pieces) are some of the best mouthpieces ever made (and were certainly good enough for giants like Charlie Parker, Benny Carter, and Johnny Hodges). Two years ago I was trying out a bunch of pieces at my local shop, including a few modern Meyer, Berg Larsen, and Vandoren hard rubber pieces without much luck. Then I popped on a Brilly Personaline tonalin, and my horn absolutely SANG. Now I play on a Great Neck (also tonalin) and I'll never play another piece again on my alto again.
The thing is, Jim, you could make a literal bent pipe with a reed sound awesome.
Hey Jim! This video was very helpful! May you review some of the metal mouth pieces as well?
I've been playing for over 6 and a half years and still play the 4c yamaha xD
I played for 10 years on the 4c and just realized that there is such a thing as upgrading the mouthpiece. Lol I'm dumb. I'll upgrade to the vandoren jumbo java
@@newgreenwichmd Same thing here haha Amazing how a whole new World is unveiling here 😂
@@vincenta.3049 I got an A8 V16. Took some getting used to but i love it. I already sound a thousand times better!
Been enjoying my 4C for 25 years. It's a nice mouthpiece.
@@newgreenwichmd hi. Is this mouth piece good for pop ?? Many thanks Pat
It is so interesting hearing all the tonal differences.
The Selmer Concept was my favourite. 😊
Thankyou, I recently upgraded my tenor saxophone mouthpiece from the poor quality plastic one I got, to a much nicer one, before my mouthpiece made it so my saxophone couldn’t play past a D without ruining the tone, so I was using overtones only. Thankyou so much
Wow Jim, you really made the sax shine with that Jody Jazz. Amazing sound from that one.
Thanks for the demo. I bought a used Yamaha 480 alto and came with a Selmer S80 C* and it wasn't free blowing enough and didn't seal great. I bought another Selmer S80 C* (was supposed to be original facing curve and tip) and had the same situation. I like the tone profile by means of being dark, having enough focus, etc. just I don't seem to have some lack of definition and free blowing experience with Vandoren traditional #3 compared to Yamaha 4C that came with my sax. I like to see in the realm of note definition (classical) and warm and kinda dark tone like Selmer C*, is there any other good mouthpiece (free blowing, fast response, good clear staccato, good control for pitch, in the same tip opening as Selmer C* or C** out there that you can point at? Thanks a lot.
I can hear the tonal quality differences between the two mouthpieces.
Great advice; informative discourse.
Interresting comparssion.
I'll watch this video again in a few years, when I master my new Instrument well enough that that the limiting factor will be not me, but the Mouthpiece...
I'm an absolute Beginner, bought me a Yamaha YAS 280 (4C Mouthpiece was standard) about a month ago.
So I guess the only Upgrades I'll need for a long time is emboucher and breath training -> peroids of long tone exercises.
(and learning how to read notes...)
Exciting times!
@@cj_ocean Uploaded 2 Vids recently about my Progress (have 3 months of practice now).
I'm not the fastest learner, but I have much fun.
Started Yesderday to learn some songs for Xmas...
i've had 10 lessons by now, started 21th of July, this week, last monday 5-10-20, i purchased a YAS 25, and it came with 2Yam4c mpc. the day after i went to the local retailer, its in the same village i live, and bought myself a Selmer Concept.... i playtested a Yam Custom, Vandooren Optimum, Selmer Cstar, Selmer Concept and a Selmer Seles Prologue.... the Concept came out the best for me, it plays so easily, nice sound and easy for tuning.
Thank you for the help mate!
If using the same (new?) reed, as the test progresses the reed will absorb water and sound much better. Best test would be to play the same phrases and then again in reverse order to negate water absorption effect.
I find that the Meyer is more for jazz. For me it's really obvious when I play compared to my classical C*
I've really found a JD Hite has a great sound on it. They had a pro line, but I purchased a cheap version for my Tenor and it performed almost as well. Great range, no squeaks you can get a nice "chewy" sound if you want... I just like them.
I also purchased (many years back) a metal Rovner mouthpiece. I love that mouthpiece, and I don't know why they don't make them any more (not that I've seen anywhere)... It had a HUGE deep chamber, and just played strong.
Great video - I'm pointing my students this way from now on.
Very informative. Thank you.
I meant to order an Otto Link Tone Edge 6* but ended up ordering an 8* by accident, and it was the hardest transition I've ever made, especially from a Jupiter generic mouthpiece. I have gotten used to it, however, and it has great tone.
Very informative, i am on basic plastic that came with my saxophone and looking to upgrade as a learner still, not sure what would be best for me. Yamaha 4c or Selmer C*
Loved my selmer concept. Great video!
I can easily hear the difference.. Of course if you can't stick with the cheap one. But I am thinking that he plays differently expecting the cheap sound. Fair enough I had to edit because there was a mention of reed quality and strength. But that is equally as important as the mouthpiece. The Jody was quite bright, I think the Vandoren would be my choice, warmer tone, but then of course it could have been embouchure
Hi. What is the best mouth piece to play pop on alto saxophone. Many thanks Pat
When are you guys going to make another duet or quartet or trio etc.? (I think this is a question we all want to know)
If you are, can it be one with Jim and Scott?
Hey, great video! Do you have any suggestions for an intermediate/pro alto mouthpiece (as opposed to a beginner mouthpiece) that leans toward a more jazzy tone but is capable of great warmth for classical playing?
Thanks!
Bryan Nguyen The Meyer or the Jodyjazz are my go to for something more of a hybrid.
I thought I was trying to get back into playing Sax but now I really want to learn!! Very handsome ;)
I'm pretty sure you sold me on the Jodi mouthpiece! i'm in the US but if i'm ever in england i'd love to check out your store!
Jim, Any opinion on the Jody Jazz rubber mouthpieces?
The Jody jazz has a wedge, which makes it perfect for smooth jazz, and rock and roll, The Meyer has the New York Chamber which is round , with a roll over baffle and hollowed out side walls for the true jazz Bebop mouthpiece of all time!!
Meyer - 8:01
Jody jazz - 11:06
D'addario - 13:31
I’m 5 years in and have just never been able to afford a mouthpiece upgrade and now my stock mouthpiece cracked so now I’m looking for a solid budget upgrade
I was thinking Vandoren V16 A6 small chamber
It will depend on what type of music you're playing.
For a budget jazz piece, look at the Rico Metalite. Less than $30.
I wish this video had been around 25 years ago! I do enjoy the 4C that came with my YAS-62 but would like better dynamics because the instrument is so naturally powerful. I bought a Meyer 5-medium decades ago but rarely use it because the 4C sounds more open. I want to have the option of a more delicate sound but not strangled. A bonus would be greater ability to bend and blend. With my Buescher I could do that easily and smoothly but the Yamaha "clings" to the notes so I regret not keeping both instruments.
So will I be able to bring in my tenor sax and try out a new mouthpiece? I am thinking about a new mouthpiece for my playing. I have a Selmer C* mouthpiece but I would like something to improve my overall quality and tone.
Please try out on tenor the Otto Link hard rubber 7 or 7*...
Thank you for the video....I use a metal Claude Lake 8* Alto mpc....it's a screamer when I want that and subito.works well to :-)
What would you recommend for concert band/wind symphony? I play on the standard mouthpiece that came with my A901 but I tend to stand out too much in my section and tuning gets worse the higher I go.
Ameliana TSIIX For classical music I personally use a Vandoren Optimum AL3. I used the s80 c* and switched due to personal preference. The Vandoren Optimum and Selmer s80 series seem to be the front runners. Some other good ones are the Rousseau mouthpieces and the Selmer s90 among many others
Ameliana TSIIX Some excellent choices include a Vandoren Optimum AL3, for a smooth, medium dark sound, Selmer S80 and Concept mpcs., for a more flexible tone, Rousseau NC, which are excellent but sometimes bright and need good air support, and possibly a Rascher or Caravan, which are fantastic but resistant. Best thing to do is go to a local sax shop or check with an online retailer like Sax.co.uk for their return policy
huh yup
A meyer will sound fantastic for classical
Brilliant review, thanks. Would love to hear the same with Tenor's, this time also with some metal options!
I've been playing for 4 years on a stock stagg mouthpiece so ya I'm probably due for a upgrade
Very helpful, thanks jimbo
Very good tip, plus I prefer the Vandoren
I’ve used the Yamaha 4c for 3 years and my stock ligature just broke should I upgrade both parts or just replace ligature?
Would it be a good idea to use different mouthpieces for jazz and classical playing, or should I try to find one that works for both?
Really good videos as always... and i have a question about that Red Mouthpiece in the background... what mouthpiece is that ??
what reeds are you using
Since your referencing beginners, you might also mention reed size as well
If you remember what key did you play in when you played the otto link mouthpiece?
Could I use stiffer Reed to get a bright sound ?
hey, I love your videos, and I'm finally going to great Britain this summer and I am excited to visit your shop in London. Is it possible to make a video comparing your favorite metal tenor mouthpieces? I think that would be a really great and helpful video
I hope to see you there next summer!
What would be the best marching band mouthpiece in your opinion
What about a 4 year player what would you recommend
Same here. I've been wondering if I should get a mouthpiece for a while since I still use my Jupiter 4C mouthpiece that came with my sax.
Get a Meyer 6MM
The 6MM is a perfect first hard rubber mouthpiece. the 7 might be too large for a total beginner
I love C* so much I've been using mine for 4 years and it's a great mouthpiece
Thank you for the comparisons! I heard you say the Vandoren V5 was an "A35" but the video shows an "A45". Which one is it?
Would you have any recommendation for an Aizen mouthpiece that would compare to those others? Thanks
Fabulous and insightful demonstration / video.
Fine playing and a very informative video. Thank you!
What size tip opening did you use with the otto link mouth piece in this video?
otto link 6*
You should review the new DICKERSON RESONATOR ligature for alto sax sold on ebay
Jody Jazz HR * 6M is the most top
Good video :) can you do one for tenor mouthpieces?
I have played tenor sax for years and that is the only one I own. What's interesting to me is you find that several companies make their best mouthpieces for what seems to be one size of sax (alto, tenor, soprano, etc.) For example, Meyer mouthpieces are regarded as some of the best for jazz on alto, but not as highly for tenor.
I recently had some things stolen from a suitcase of mind when traveling, particularly my V16 T9 rubber mouthpiece. So I've returned to my very first jazz mouthpiece (Otto link 6* - a great intermediate choice), and it plays well but I am looking to upgrade again soon.
Sorry for the long comment, but does that make sense? I would love to get some input from a video or something, even one with metal mouthpieces too. What I've found on the internet when looking for my next best choice mouthpiece has actually been quite unhelpful
On the left, second from the top shelf, what is that reddish looking mouthpiece? And will you be doing similar videos for other types of saxophones, and possibly adding in metal mouthpieces?
It's Rafael Navarro's mouthpiece
Does it matter if the screw of the ligature is in front or behind the mouthpiece? I’ve seen people do both.
Personally love my HR * on my tenor sax (only 0.80 tip opening) but it's a fun piece to play on, I came from stock to 4c to HR*
I love you guys, I just want to fly over to the U.K. And have a playing frenzy!
Is it possible for you guys to make a video on the Eastman 52nd Street alto or tenor? Would be great.
Hi, is Vandoren java jumbo a35 suitable for slightly advanced? Thanks :-)
When you have the time, Jim, could you do a review of the different professional Yamaha horns collectively in the same video?
Here is my question: I want to play classic tunes such as Lily was here, An englishman in New York, Careless Whispers etc so in order to be able to play said songs, to which mouthpiece do i need to upgrade...?
PS: I forgot to mention, i just got an Alto Sax as a bday gift, and i have the standard mouthpiece that comes with the sax...
Careless Whisper was played on a stainless steel Berg Larsen, and was actually played on tenor (they manipulated the speed of the recording and that made it sound like an alto).
With Lily Was Here, that's Candy Dulfer. She plays on a custom mouthpiece something like a Lebayle or Dukoff (according to her personal website). Both types are metal.
Branford Marsalis played the sax part on Englishman in New York. This was a soprano sax, not alto, and I think he may have been playing on a Bari piece at the time. This was a hard rubber piece with a metal shank.
Altogether, you're looking at a brighter, edgier mouthpiece.
can i take other mouthpiece in my sax? As an example : jp041alto sax and selmer's or yamaha's mouthpiece?
Did Jim have a bad haircut or something? ;)
cheek :-D
Do a video on different reeds such as the sizes and the different types of vandoren reeds or reed brands in general
Hi, what is better for intermediate? a35 or jumbo a35? Thx :-)
It would have been helpful for me if you had indicated both the tip opening and reed strength you were using with each of the mouthpieces. Recently, I dug out a Kell Geometric alto mouthpiece I bought years ago, and I love it.
Why? What might work for Jim may not work for you, this is something you have to test yourself and find the correct lay and reed strength :)
I started with the Yamaha 6C. Now I've been playing for 4 years, what mouthpiece would you suggest me to upgrade to? Thank you!
where would you start in a metal mouthpiece for alto? I have a 4c, Vandoren Optimum AL3, and a Lakey Original Series 5*3 currently
I do not recommend metal alto mouthpieces, unless you have been playing at least 10 years....
I'll be having my first performance in October so I'm looking for a mouth piece to upgrade for my first show..
goodluck bro.... you'll nail it
I've been playing Alto for 5 years and I've been using a c* for 4 of those years what would you recommend to upgrade for classical, also I just started playing Jazz this year what would you recommend getting for starting out on Jazz
So, need y'all to go ahead and open a Shoppe in Louisiana, Okay? see you soon
do you have a dukoff mp sir?
At 11:47 Jim says the Vandoren is a V35 but the video shows v45
What would be the equivalent to the selmer concept's classical-tone-for-jazz-style for tenor sax?
Hello Jim how are you today? I have a quick question, so I play the Alto sax and tenor sax overtime I play on my Alto the sides of my mouth release air and I can play but there is air coming out from the sides from my mouth, and I've tried a selmer C* and a selmer concept and they both still make the air come out, do you think you can help me and figure out what is wrong?
I've been playing for about 4 and a half years, what tip opening should I use
.076" tip opening , a Meyer 6 tip...