IAC-2 Vishal in 7 years? is it even possible?
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Yes it's possible as the industrial complex and technology has already been developed.
Still we have to rely on America for EMALS and engine ☹️
@@sparkly3989 we might not need an EMALS system at all, and keep it a jump ski only, such as even very recent UK ACs like the HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH and even future Russian designs.
@@sparkly3989 You are right sir. But before walking we need to crawl
Lol russian designs are just waste now, their ski jump wastes a lot of area and thus reducing the capacity of carrying more aircrafts where as modern super carrier designs are more efficient and can carry more aircrafts at a time. For instance, take France as an example, France has an aircraft carrier of 40k tons which can carry more than 40 rafales and point should be noted that all rafales that they operate are Marine Variants mean they don't have wing folding capability. Whereas India has 45k ton VIKRAMADITYA which can carry only 30 plus aircrafts and other 6 rotatory wings aircraft. If we manage to develop a 65k to 75k ton class Carrier then we can easily carry more than 50 aircrafts, same class aircraft carrier of US Navy sometimes carries upto 70 aircrafts. Now u can easily conclude which is more efficient and help India tackle china.
Lol! We have already sign mot for mt30 engines which is used in queen Elizabeth.
It's possible but both govt & CSL needs to be competent.
65k ton in 7 yrs even with importing the tech takes time
if the government corporate is involved you can expect little to no competence.
we all can see the progress of Tejas bro. need a complete bereaucracy revamp for that
@@EoamerGaming97 we made a jet from scratch.. Even though politicians and Burscracy was against tejas our tejas team done it... Even the naval variant first time our own deck based landing on moving ship
@@flaminmongrel6955 true... I think by 10yrs with all testing certification by that time we will get SSN and tedbf and that ucav
We should focus on the design for the next 5yrs. A futuristic design is the most important aspect of such a project.
Yes EMALS is needed not old skijumps .
@@jey2275 emails is still in a test phase.
Knowing CSL I think it's possible. Have seen work culture of CSL and Vizag ship yard. CSL is way better.
CSL should be provided with a project, indian or foreign order. Because the capability grown to make an aircraft carrier will gradually be lost if not utilised, and after 5 or 10 years india will again be standing in buyers row. That happens in defence technology, because these are crucial technologies that grows only with continuous efforts and standing still, it is either left outdated or forgotten.
HSL at Vizag must be privatized immediately and more than half of it staff should be fired without any compensation. Worst shipbuilder in the country.
CSL has highest labour wage rate in the country Whether it be gas cutter, weilder, USL.
Countries economic growth is must essential in multifold way, side by side we can try for Nuclear Aircraft Carrier with French & American technological help 🙏
Nuclear aircraft carrier is not prefered due to certain reasons like: Double time line, more cost of manufacturing, maintenance and dismantling. Where as benefits are nothing more than unlimited range. But range is also not unlimited due to food stock. Comparison of all these suggest conventional aircraft carrier.
Bro nuclear old aircraft carriers of America is still in thier dock due no proper dismantle protocol , And possibility of nuclear radiation hazard from depleted uranium ..diesel powered is better in long term as India is not an American war hungered country 🔥
Nuclear carrier is more expensive broo
L&T might make it possible in 5 years. Atleast till the launching part. If not a Vikrant class aircraft carrier, even 2 smaller helicopter carriers or Amphibious ship should be built.
I bet on l&t for this too
Kochi has learned from the first carrier built and so have calculated and the the disgen's the Navy wants and the engines and what kind of launching aircraft's and the speed depends on the type of engines this time is possible thanks.
your technical brilliance (on the engine) was in full bloom!, though, much of it could have compendiously utilised to enlighten us on the feasibility & necessity (vis a vis china) & the cost factor (vis a vis the defence budget), which would have raised the video to an altogether another level!!
Do u understand anything whatever he said in technical
@@technoworld2539 well, how that info is of interest to u, dear?...even otherwise, don't u know, defence related info's are highly classified to be such freely divulged! !
Indian Navy need Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier with CATOBAR Systems
Yes as when it will be ready ( which will take about a decade )
I think our economy will be able to bear it's expenditure so yeah I also think same.
If India Can Build Nuclear Powered Submarine why not Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier with CATOBAR Systems taking help of France Aircraft Carrier or USA Aircraft Carrier
We need to optimise our resources carefully. Aircraft carrier and submarine compliments each other. No one replace other.
Also I think, that they need to commercialize the whole thing to sustain the project. Theres two way it can be done perhaps.
1. Export. Exporting the defense system that you have developed to achieve the scale of economy.
2. Transfer of technology to civilian market. For instance the fly by wire system developed for fighter jets in 1980s were then transferred to the commercial aviation and thats how boeing and airbus were able to offer superior transport option.
So, they should look at the sensors and propulsion techniques that they developed for the project and try to think about their potential in the civilian market. Maybe setup a dedicated team for that. And then transfer the techs that they think are useful for civilian commercial use. That way mainstream Indian economy will also be rejuvenated.
In the world, most of advance countries built Aircraft carrier in 5-6year. So it's reasonable time
Because their technology is matured and mastered by that country
But this is not in case of india
Nahi ye galt hai tum time line bhot se aircfat carrier ka kam se kam 10 sal lagte hai ek mature country ko bhi. China ka nahi khe shakte kuki wo quantity pe bharisa karta hai qualtity pe nahi..
@@rishikumar6468
Bro, 10yr time is taken to develop the technology and then build it. Once technology is there then it's more resources and stakeholder mgmt. We have technology tats why shipyard is saying that they can build in 7yr which is reasonable.
@@pratikpradipkadam6520 We are tailoring it as per our requirement and vision. USA need Nimitz class biggies as they want to roam across the world and in our case its left, right and center below. We develop the technology, build the IOC it means we conquer the technology. Next IOC will be more advance as technology always evolved.
@@rishikumar6468 USS Ronald Reagan took 5 years 1998-2003. Most of Nimitz class took 5-7 years (7 for the first 3/10)
7 years, haan esa ho skta hai kyoki hamane vikrant bna kar khud ko sabit kia hai , ki hmaare paas ab technology, manpower hai toh 7 year me ek aircraft carrier bnana badi mushkil nahi agar budget sahi rhe toh!
Yes sir your analysis is more scientific than other.you got real knowledge with high analytic mind.thanks sir great to watch ur channel.awlays waiting your info
Thumb nail is not IAC 2. It's a Russian carrier who's design was offered to us in 2016.
I love your in-detailed videos
We should have 3 aircraft carrier, 1 in Western fleet, 1 in eastern fleet and 1 in maintenance or reserve.
Or the third one can be deployed near the malacca strait just like the USA is doing in the strait of Hormuz
1 in southern fleet 😎
@@jey2275 Southern is just for training rn. But it's possible that it may have a fleet of it's own (around 2040 for a "FLEET").
2 for Eastern Fleet. 1 for Western, we don't need AC for Pakistan or any (that is a threat). 2 aircraft carriers will be required in Malacca to implement a blockade. China will have 5-6 AC by 2035 (3-4 available at any given time), 1-2 AC will be required to protect China from the threat of US and Japan. China will send the rest (1-2) AC for breaking Malacca blockade, that's the reason 2 AC are required in Eastern Fleet (western AC can be shifted to Eastern Fleet when necessary)
What is the point if your next version is the same? Without cartobar and nuclear power it makes no sense to induct a new carrier.
Anyway submarines are a better investment for stealth attack. Carriers carry the risk of being sitting ducks against a powerful navy..
Nuclear Power run carrier is waste of money. Indian Navy not even thinking about it
Nuclear Power plan has been dropped long back.
Anyways, I don't there is any clear vision of what kind of maritime power does Indian Navy want to be.
Neither AC nor Submarines..not a single project can be completed within 7 years in this country. It will take atleast 10 years.
@@renegadeone9479 I agree. If they were really serious and planned they would have made the Andamans the largest naval base. It is a gem of a strategic location and yet remains underdeveloped and under militarised..
Pure masterclass video. Decoding at it's best.
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Btw can't we use upgraded/scaled up nuclear reactors of SSBN's for future aircraft carrier?
The US takes about 8 years to build a giant carrier where everything is available streamlined.
In the iac1, we can see an additional diagonal runway is given in the sideways beside the ski jump. Whats its use? Is it for smaller aircrafts?
@@zil1832 it’s for landing
@@jeruelnathan1845 ok thanks.
It's large so it'll take time , we will make 65K they make 100K that's why it takes time .
China took 6 years to build the 70,000 tonnes (full load) Shandong. It is expected their 003 (nuclear powered) will take similar time.
Superb!!!
As usual very sound technical analysis !!!!
Keep up the good work!!!!
We now need a catobar 65000 tonne iac 2 otherwise we will be left far behind chineese .we arent as rich as china but we need iac 3 if we plan to dominate indian ocean in the future .
Exactly
Yep or else China will take over as they are building more aircraft carriers.
Life of ins Vikramaditya is maximum 15 years so indian government should rethink about third aircraft carrier option
We need atleast 2 ready to war carrier
In 15 years our economy will also grow to 10trillion (I think) which means more budget for defence. So surely we will start making a new carrier atmost 7-10 years....
@Kiran Reaper well we have Andaman and Nicobar islands for bay of Bengal so right now 2 is sufficient
@@its.Sarthak101 no you are forgetting about the malacca strait area
@Kiran Reaper yp I know but it can do its job good....plus I used for right now in my reply.
Yes , it's very less capable bcz of skiramp configuration , flat deck is the best . A 3rd Carrier is need of the hour , we need 2 carriers to operate at the same time for that we need total 3 .
You have done very good technical analysis
Good job keep it up
Submarines are silent killers...
we need more submarines
@INDIAN भारतीय Not always detectable.. still it is the best tactical weapon.
Yes you are right. We need a powerful submires fleet to counter Chinese navy
By the end of the decade we need at least 45-50 Submarines in active service. It's feasible with coming years our Defense Budget will also increase with the increase in the Economy. We should focus on Nuclear Attack Submarines with a good Fleet of Ballistic Missile Submarines too.
60 subs and in Airforce we need around 50 to 60 squadrons I am not saying but 42 Squadron was old study
45-50 active submarines by the end of the decade is impossible. Not just for us, but for any nation.
45- 50 are you joking? There is a limit to optimism. Based on our current condition if we have 30 submarines will be a miracle and most possible no is around 25 .we are late to the submarine game and is very behind many other counties both in technology and acquirement
@@sujithsudhakaran745 exactly maybe 40 sub by 2035 possible.... We dont need 60-70 sub so soon as we don't have many adversary....
Never gonna happen
Also if we have EMALS which generates a lot of force, then we can sort of make a strong "projectile UCAV" with small body, folded wings and having small engine, that can provide reconnaissance for the carrier fleet. This should be able to give a few hours of flight, Also this should be recovered either by having small wheels to land on carrier (not a good idea) but for it to dive into a net that can be put on any of our fleet ships and recovered. The foldable wing if damaged can be replaced with new ones, when the damaged ones undergo repair
Phele ins vikrant ke liye to aircraft ka intzam ho jaye uske liye bi to budget chahiye
Yes It is possible because UK provided the Full design of "INS Vishal" So basically in 7 years we have to just manufacture it.
Did they provide ?
@@jey2275 yes
@@cicada-mx7ep please sir source.
INDIAN government should support & go for it. INDIAN expertise is already present. INDIA go for 3rd & 4th Aircraft Carriers.
5-7 Billion Minimum Lagega
@@Biplab23
So what. INDIA'S security, safety & protection is more than Billions.
@@rathanapparathanappa5077 Navy Ka Budget Kam Hai
Paisa Aap Doge Kya ?
@@Biplab23
Why will I give. Are you giving. It's our nation's defence & our INDIAN government will spend. This simple logic you don't know. If INDIAN Navy wants a 3rd Aircraft Carrier. What's your problem. Are you an PAKISTANI agent. Scuttling INDIAN defence, security, safety & protection strategies & measures. If INDIA is strong it is good for INDIA. *MAZBOOT BHARAT; MAZBOOT DESH*
@@rathanapparathanappa5077 Tujhe Kuch Jyada Hi Pata Hai ?
Navy Ki Budget Hai 11 Billion
INS Vishal Ki Total Fleet ki Cost 15-16 Billion Hogi
Kuch Pata Nahin Toh Bakchodi Q Karte Ho ?
bhai sab carrier ki baat to kar rahe par unpe se kon se aircraft use honge uski baat koi kyu nhi kar raha agar aaj navy koi foreign platform v final karti hai to delivery me 4-5 saal lagenge aur tedbf ko 10saal se upar hi lagne wala hai
Very informative video and good technical details with comparison of different systems. In my humble opinion we should go for nuclear propulsion right from beginning. We are designing bigger power plants for our SSBNs. These power plants would be of 150 MW, this power is suitable for AC (we shall require two plants of 150 MW each ). We can go for steam turbines for propellors and steam catapults for CATOBARs. Problem with steam catapult is it requires precision in manufacturing and assembly, and secondly it gives jerk while catapulting, but otherwise it has long life. EMAILs is quite good but expensive to make and operate. India will have to get tech for steam catapults which we can get from France. AC should be of minimum 65000T displacement and should support 3 squadrons of TEDBF and RWUAVs plus helicopters. Thanx. Jai Hind.
How about purchasing a rectro-fitted CVN from USA with brand new Nuclear ☢️ propellers and construct the rest in India just like Charles de Gaulle?
Why can’t we choose the reactors developed for INS Arighat for INS Vishal ?
I don't know, the reactor is of 83MW, the Chinese Shandong carrier can run on 150MW then with 2 reactors the Vishal should be able to produce 166MW which should be enough.
Is INS arighat cancelled?
@@thenoobdashow7428 Of course not! It is in trials.
@@AnuragDDethe S5 will have a 180MW reactor. 2x reactors will be used for more reliability and to accommodate DEW based CIWS and EMALS. 360MW when combined.
@@someon713 That is when the S5's reactor is developed which will take time.
*I think its unnecessary* ...
Navy and Govt should focus on Aircrafts (temporarily MiG 29k and fast forward on TEDBF to get delivery by 2028) on existing carriers and Super Scorpene and SSN submarines (combined 12) in the coming decade....
No. It is necessary.
You are wrong. India needs a third carrier. China already has three and they will just keep coming closer
No , it's need of the hour .
@@Fish-ey9lt not bcz China is making more but bcz the existing vikranth and vikramadithya is not that capable , old designs and skiramp configuration . Technology advancement is necessary so an EMAL configured carrier .
*It is necessary*
A 3rd Air Craft Carrier will need some 40-60 more jets.
Why not buy 100 naval jets Instead of conventional ones that it can be used both from Air Craft carriers and conventional airstrips on land...
Some of the Rafales being ordered can be the M variant or Tejas MK2 can be naval variants if needed.
Time frame will be same for every possible idea
bro just consider even if 3rd aircraft carrier is ordered today still by the time it will be commissioned India will have TEDBF. Then why are u even thinking about x y z fighter jet?
@@MrReon1806 a thought without research , this could end up like these ideas ..... otherwise researchers know that only TEDBF will be acquired now
@@bharatbharat3535 do some research , TEDBF wont be acquired now, it has just completed its designing phase, its trial phase will begin from 2025, production 2027 and induction from 2028 onwards.
@@MrReon1806 😂 now means current time frame ? Of-cource i'm talking about after development of TEDBF .... how come it be aquired right now .....
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Man have some common sence about reading the comment
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Yes it's possible and we should have 3 aircraft carriers and 4 helicopter ships and 12 mine sweepers
Yes bro but still we didn't sign Minesweepers deal. currently we don't have single Minesweeper
SSN project should be on top of the priority list. 3rd carrier is also important but govt can think about this after 3-5 yrs. Naval designers can use this time for designing a perfect futuristic design.
Navy has actually been asking for 3rd carrier since 2010. INS Vishal first' proposal was in 2010. So 11 years have already passed. If we wait any more by the time INS Vishal comes (if at all it comes) INS Vikramaditya will be almost retired. And Navy has consistently maintained that 3 carriers now are a bare necessity with China planning to have 10 carriers. They already have 3 in just 1 decade and by 2030 they'll hav another 3 possibly.
If India wants to become a maritime superpower then aircraft carriers are a must. These are power projections, taking the war to the enemy ports and effecting a naval blockade. So 3 carriers are minimum, ideally more but 3 is minimum.
@@CyrusInIndia bro, what about SSN !! We don't have a single SSN right now & one leased SSN coming in future is not adequate to guard entire IOC.
Mindset of Military planners gets changed with the time & approach of adversaries. SSN is the most powerful weapon in the sea.
By 6 SSNs, Indian Navy can manage security of IOR much better than additional carrier. Secondly carrier doesn't operate independently; for a carrier group, fleet of submarine,,destroyer & corvette are also needed.
For building a conventional carrier group India has to spend atleast 1.5 lakh crore rupees. We can have 7-8 modern SSNs with that kind of budget.
@@amjadsk.2469 that's what I am saying bro. In 11 year's neither a 3rd carrier was approved nor any submarines of real value nor any major big ticket acquisition. MMRCA pending since 2004.
In past 15 years we've inducted 3 small (actually smaller than our old kilo class subs too) scorpene class subs.
Remaining 12 or 13 subs are almost 30 year's old. They're being forcefully upgraded as Navy has no choice.
China with 75 plus subs and India currently at 16 is no comparison at all.
No future planning is what I'm saying. Neither SSN,s neither aircraft carrier which is a must as per naval doctrine.
Minesweepers, helicopter carriers, Amphibious ship ( one old INS Jalashwa), mid air refuellers, AWACS, transport jets, and of course MMRCA.
Late Manohar Parrikar is on record saying IAF doesn't need 126 jets it probably needs 450 jets in the coming decade. 36 Rafales however capable they are are just like a starter or desert. Where's the main course. I'm so concerned with the Air force. Forget MiG 21. In 10 years time MiG 29, Mirages and jaguars will be up fo retirement. Do we have 400 plus nos coming up in a decade. Probably not even 1/3rd of that. IAF is down to just under 30 squadrons and that includes MiG 21 Bison.
And defence budget is a secondary factor.
The real reason is our slow poke bureaucracy wrangles and red tapism babugiri plus political interference with zero defence preparedness procedures and planning.
And with arms lobbies having perpetrated our armed forces expect resistance to all the indigenous projects. Arjun Tanks and LCA are prime examples of how to keep killing projects. LCA was almost in hibernation mode till 2015, till it was received almost miraculously.
MWF TEDBF and AMCA will all face resistance from both foreign and domestic lobbies and their friendly media will write articles against these projects too.
INS Vishal approval has to be given ASAP.
Post approval it'll take about 3 years to start constitution and knowing our processes it'll take 15 years for induction minimum. INS Vikrant from design phase in 1999 to induction a year from now in aug 2022 it'll be 23 years.
When our main adversary from zero carriers in 2011 is now with 3 carriers in a mere decade.
Next one should not be consider now first should be ssn su marine and after 5 year we should go for aircraft carrier which should be neauclear power and and large in size
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Technically AC are not required to be stealthy. Infact AC battlegroup is meant for power projection and are meant to be shown to enmey. In this day any space power can find and track an AC group. But eventually we will need to shift to nuclear fuel for long term long distance missions.
@@adithyanairh196 just a matter of habit. I usually refer it to as ACG for Aircraft carrier group.
Yeah aircraft carriers can't be stealthy BCz how huge it is , we use it to show them not to hide from them .
Amiet bhai apne
Nuclear vs diesel mein sabse bada factor to bataya hi nahi
Nuclear ship ko most of foreign docks,jetties etc apne per nuclear risk k chalte lagane hi nahi dete hai
Nuclear ship mostly har samay anchor per khada rehta hai
We are already developing high power nuclear reactor for next gen subs, then what is the problem in intrigrating it in next carrier
I have just one ques
Why you add two different aircraft launching mechanism on a single carrier?
@Abhiralworld What???
@@animeshjain8932 I think what he meant to say is that STOBAR takes up more space than CATOBAR and the space needed for the ski jump ramp can be utilized to store more aircraft.
U can go with another system if one fails..stobar can act as fail safe measure if steam catapult /emals fails
@@akashnepak504 That will negate many benefits as STOBAR ramp takes up a lot of space that could be used for the hangar instead. We need to go full CATOBAR or EMALS.
@@AnuragDDethe Do you have any Idea of even basic design principals. you never want to keep your aircraft in a place which is angled
The IN was offered a repeat IAC over 5 years ago, but at that time they were having fantasies of CATOBAR and Emal catapults and turned their noses at this eminently practical offer. Now it is too late. The IN must now rest content with what it has.
third Aircraft Carrier must be Nuclear powered and CATOBAR type, otherwise we will never catchup with technology. Technological advancement is also part of power projection.
EMALS
EMALS
We can have 2 Supercarrier Battle Groups in ~$ 50 Billion
INDIA's Forex Reserves ~ $ 620 Billion
Thoda budget isme se allot kardenge toh koi farak nahi pdega.
Are bhai is baat ka koi sense hai ...Forex reserve itna hai iska ye matlab nahi ki isko use karke ham koi bhi kaam kar sakte hai. Forex reserves sirf trade or money exchange mein use hota hai...
Forex reserves kuch zyada kam ka nahi hai, at least aj ke din mein toh nahi hai, maybe after 10 years it will become very crucial, it only affects trade, nothing else
I was just wondering if two upgraded nuclear reactors of ins Arihant or ins arighat can be used to power the Vikrant 2. the two submarines' manufacturing cost is quite low so the cost of the reactor can also be considered low. two 83 megawatt electrical reactors would create 166-megawatt electrical power which is more than the total power output of 140-megawatt ins Vikrant. can you please tell me your opinion.
We should use the blueprints and design of vikrant to make helicopter and drone carrier ships. Benefits:
1 - Will keep the ship yards busy so experience gained is not lost
2 - Will fulfill the requirement of LHD for amphibious assault to protect Andaman Nicobar Islands, maldives, sri lanka etc
3 - Will make us a pioneer and first in the drone carrier technology. It's time we became the first in something, instead of always being the third and fourth Nation.
We can make it without the ski jump for drones now, and in the future if needed we can convert it to ski jump for 4th gen aircraft takeoff n landing. Or when vicky retires
We can invest in a 70,000 ton catobar carrier after 5 to 10 years when we. have the money
I want to know something. Like in production line for aircraft, tanks, helicopters etc, where you have to give a large order so that production and the trained man power don't remain ideal. Does it also applies to ship building industry especially in manufacturing of aircraft carrier. Countries generally don't have a large number of aircraft carrier, so what happens to the human resource and the infrastructure. Does manufacturing of Aircraft Carrier requires specialized skills compare to destroyers, corvettes etc.
People are totally missing the fact that the current INS Vikrant was initially designed as CATOBAR with the help of the Italians. For cost reasons - it was decided to go with STOBAR. I have no doubt in my mind that 2 catapults can be installed and deck can be flattened. With EMALs, it's even easier to do this conversion. Even the current QE2 class was being investigated for CATOBAR conversion after the build was 50% done - it was discarded due to F-35C contract issues. As for power, the old INS Vikrant was also CATOBAR and had conventional propulsion. With EMALS, modern electric propulsion and supercapacitors - this is no problem at all. Fleet tankers always accompany carrier battle groups - fuel is no problem either. Future American and French carriers too could be conventionally powered. I prefer nuclear propulsion too but just wanted to say - its not strictly a disadvantage to not have it.
Can a electric catapult design possible? Based on high torque electric motors like in EMU and electric cars? It may not be as powerful as steam or magnetic but would give some support in launch .
Electromagnetic will work well Gerald ford uses it , France is going for it .
Perfectly explained
Everything is possible. It would be good idea to have 2 of the same class, with lesson learnt.
Great effort bro. Good presentation keep it up.
Bhai your content always OP 👍🇮🇳
We should have Vikrant replica 45k catagory. This will give time for RnD on larger ship with NPower porp and EMALS
I don't think so cause' china is developing a 65k to 85k carrier and if we develop a 45k carrier then this is not acceptable
@@sparkly3989 so ultimately India will keep on arguing but get neither a 45k tons nor 65k tons. INS Vishal has been on paper as a proposal since 2010. 11 years.
In 10 years China from zero went to 3 carriers.
@@CyrusInIndia ur point is correct but if we develop a single 75k ton class carriers then we don't need other carriers for atleast 2 decades cause' American carriers of same class carry upto 70 aircrafts, IAC 2 will be a supercarrier and can dominate the Indo Pacific if it is developed on time.
@@sparkly3989 But where are we getting. You think it's in even consideration right now.
Anything whether a small escort or light aircraft carrier or even 2 helicopter carriers of 25k to 30k tons or a medium weight category like currently INS Vikramaditya and INS Vikrant types or the much hyped INS Vishal 65k tons plus.
Navy has actually been asking for 3rd carrier since 2010. INS Vishal first' proposal was in 2010.
So 11 years have already passed. If we wait any more by the time INS Vishal comes (if at all it comes) INS Vikramaditya will be almost retired. And Navy has consistently maintained that 3 carriers now are a bare necessity with China planning to have 10 carriers. They already have 3 in just 1 decade and by 2030 they'll have another 3 possibly.
If India wants to become a maritime superpower then aircraft carriers are a must.
These are power projections, taking the war to the enemy ports and effecting a naval blockade. So 3 carriers are minimum, ideally more but 3 is minimum.
And that's what I am saying bro. In 11 year's neither a 3rd carrier was approved nor any submarines of real value nor any major big ticket acquisition.
MMRCA for IAF pending since 2004.
In past 15 years we've inducted 3 small (actually smaller than our old kilo class subs too) scorpene class subs.
Remaining 12 or 13 subs are almost 30 year's old. They're being forcefully upgraded as Navy has no choice.
China with 75 plus subs and India currently at 16 is no comparison at all.
No future planning is what I'm saying. Neither SSN,s neither aircraft carrier which is a must as per naval doctrine.
Minesweepers, helicopter carriers, Amphibious ship ( one old INS Jalashwa), mid air refuellers, AWACS, transport jets, and of course MMRCA.
Coming to the Airforce, Late Manohar Parrikar is on record saying IAF doesn't need 126 jets it probably needs 450 jets in the coming decade.
36 Rafales however capable they are are just like a starter or desert. Where's the main course.
I'm so concerned with the Air force. Forget MiG 21. In 10 years time MiG 29, Mirages and jaguars will be up fo retirement.
Do we have 400 plus nos coming up in a decade.
Probably not even 1/3rd of that. IAF is down to just under 30 squadrons and that includes MiG 21 Bison.
And defence budget is a secondary factor.
The real reason is our slow poke bureaucracy wrangles and red tapism babugiri plus political interference with zero defence preparedness procedures and planning.
And with arms lobbies having perpetrated our armed forces expect resistance to all the indigenous projects. Arjun Tanks and LCA are prime examples of how to keep killing projects.
LCA was almost in hibernation mode till 2015, till it was received almost miraculously.
MWF TEDBF and AMCA will all face resistance from both foreign and domestic lobbies and their friendly media will write articles against these projects too.
INS Vishal approval has to be given ASAP.
Post approval it'll take about 3 years to start constitution and knowing our processes it'll take 15 years for induction minimum.
INS Vikrant from design phase in 1999 to induction a year from now in aug 2022 it'll be 23 years.
When our main adversary from zero carriers in 2011 is now with 3 carriers in a mere decade.
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USA has two types of carriers. The super carriers which are 100,000 to 108000 tons displacement.
These in total are currently 11.
The remaining are between 40,000 tons and 55,000 tons.
These are 9. So in total 20. All the super carriers are nuclear carriers requiring refuelling once every 25 years only.
Amit baba ek baat ye bhi ki ek bada aircraft carrier se acche chote chote aircraft carriers hote hain jinke numbers agar jyada ho to bade aircraft carrier se jyada maneuverability rakhte hain.bada aircraft carrier agar nuclear powered na ho to fuel logistics me time jyada waste hota hai.
Indian Govt & Navy must accept CSL's offer as it important that the Technical know-how of Carrier development isn't lost.
CSL must consider to develop IAC-2 as a CATOBAR version of INS-Vikrant with:-
(1) EMALS
(2) At least a 280m long flight deck
(3) Integrated-Electric propulsion
Indian Govt & Navy must also consider to gives order for these under "Make-in-India" program :-
(1) Additional 6 to 12 Kalvari-SSKs with DRDO's AIP-system
(2) Additional 2 to 4 Talwar-class Frigates
(3) MH-60S/R for NMRH role
Samjh nhi aya lekin sunn ke achha laga.
Wah kya samjhya h aapne 🙏
They should make 2 of these in parallel
Yes it is possible with the infrastructure already in place. Cost also is likely come down and further with Indian naval aircraft
I would work with two carriers for now, simultaneously commission BARC to develop an efficient reactor.
By mid 2035 we will have to plan replacing ins vikramaditya...a nuclear powered carrier strike groups are surely required.
Sterling engine can be a option if nuclear power plant cannot be developed in time.
Awesome. Just in 7 years 😍😍
Thank you 😊
CSL should make bids for heli carrier, kyuki 3rd IAC ko approval milna baki hai and shayad se reject ho
yes. through modular construction
India must develop or borrow EMALS system for Vishal, since the future Indian carriers must have capabilities for launching heavy planes like AWACS and regular fighter planes with higher weapon loads. STOBAR put enormous stress on carrier structures and high maintenance. BARC should come up with compact and efficient nuclear reactor for aircraft carrier operation. This can fulfil!the power requirements for EMALS.
Yes it is possible. One of the major reasons for delay in IAC-1 was non availability of alloy for construction of the carrier. It was developed by SAIL. Now there is no such problem. Moreover the CSL persons have the experience with them. This they did not have previously.
the aircraft model in thumbnail is fantastic..realistic but smol
Nuclear powered aircraft carrier should be the future. With electromagnetic launch.
For that at least the mechanism should be researched on ASAP.
No , we don't have the use of a nuclear power carrier , even nuclear carrier is need timely food and essentials supply , so why can't we refuel at that time ? Even UK opted for conventional bcz they found it as simply unnecessary . Nuclear is very expensive too . If we wanna install EMALS we won't have funds for putting nuclear reactors .
@@jey2275 in future our economy and influence will only grow. We have to project ourselves as a democratic alternative to china to the whole world.
@@jey2275 if the Carrier is nuclear then there will be so much empty space left that can be used to refuel aircraft. More types of aircraft can be supported on nuclear carriers.
Sir how you all the complex technical information of all planes,jets,radar,ships,submarine. Many more things
Ye stobar aur catobar, dono ka hi offer nahi hai..ye mnrega ka offer hai
My simple question. To DRDO when you can build a rail gun, why not emails for IAC2. Both work on the same principal, only difference is projectile weight.
It is a very difficult feat to achieve, the problem is not the technology but the reliability. And reliability comes from decades of experience in previous technology. As DRDO has no experience in any Catobar tech, thats where the challenge starts.
@@abartakbhattacharya4475 I will be wrong to say DRDO has no experience with electro magnetic unless the railgun is a failed project principals are the same. When it comes to EMALS US is also struggling with it one of reasons for the Foard not being in active service till 2022. If it takes 7 to 10 for IAC2 I am sure DRDO can achieve it with PVT partners if we start today
@@malcolmdsouza4463 I think it would be realistic if there is some kind of a joint venture with uk or russia, as they probably want to develop that technology for their own aircraft carriers, and any joint venture that India has been a part of has given us technology that's the best in the world. Be it Barak 8, brahmos...
7 saal to CCS approval me legega🤦🤦🤦
Sahi kaha bhai aur mujhe navy ka emals wala idea bakwas laga hai. I am not against ins vishal but agar ssns pe dhyan dena hai toh usse 2030 se phele lao
kya Arihant sub me use hone wala nuclear propulsion ko modify kar ke next AC me use nhi kia ja skta?
Best option is conventional powered+ steam catapult ( proven system)
Navy should invest in r&d of AC tech and should make nuke powered 90000t class ship
Amit bhai you rock.
We should not waste the skills and infrastructure built in last 20yrs. If India wants to be a superpower then a 3rd carrier is must.
Jai Shree RAM 🏹🙂🙏🚩
Jai Hanuman 🙂🙏🚩
Jai Hind Vande Mataram 🙂🙏🚩
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We need need a big and more powerful nuclear reactor to propel INS Vishal like giant air craft career then currently fitted in INS Arihant (Submarine)
From my point of view, due to unrest in south China Sea nations like phillipines Australia Vietnam could buy aircraft carriers. So we must go for the production of IAC-2 which would be rationally cheaper for export purpose and could make India production hub of budget aircraft carrier for 3-4 aircraft carrier and if not got sold then it would be for backup in Indian navy.
None of them will buy stop assuming nonsense , Australia purchased 2 ambhibious carriers from Spain , these countries if looking for AC they'll prefer small ones Italy and Spain will be chosen over India , Bcz they'll do it well than us , they have better credibility and experience than us. .
Nobody sells aircraft carriers as it is an asset like nukes.
We can only sell helicopter carriers or amphibious assault ships.
We can also sell old aircraft carriers but nobody nowadays buys or sells it.
During olden times british used to sell us aircraft carriers but it was only to remove excessive number of ships after ww2.
@@jey2275 my assumption is copying IAC-1 would be cheaper then developing similar aircraft carrier. And its small aircraft carrier just 262 metre or 45000 tonnes displacement. And there are many countries in south Asia and Latin America who are in need or planning to have an aircraft carriers like Argentina Brazil Singapore Thailand Malaysia Vietnam. Even Brazilian budget is 3.5 billion for conventional 50000tonnes displacement and about 5.5 for nuclear powered. And every country is busy in making AC from Turkey 3, to Italy 3, france, Spain 1, russia 2, China 6, USA 13. So why should we wait?? If things would be favorable navy can keep this, and sold the old one.
Why will it be a ski Jump why not Catober?? And we need nueclear attack submarine fleet, 60+ Tedbf and above 300 armed drone fleet first for navy......
I would like to remind that CATOBAR or CATOBAR operations are not new to Indian navy. Our INS Vikrant (original) had steam catapults. If you see old videos of Vikrant you will find aircrafts thrown like a sling shot. Just for information. Thanx.
Video ke background song ka name btao na please mughe sunna h ...
We want nuclear propulsion with electro magnetic catapult system
I don’t know if the navy can afford nuclear. The economy of india is pretty trashed
@@Fish-ey9lt not really, we can overtake china economy by 2025
Yes it's possible. Also AMCA is possible by Diwali and stealth ucav is possible by Christmas.
Why does Naval design bureau create JV with NAVAL GROUP FOR FRENCH FUTURISTIC PANG AIRCRAFT CARRIER?
Why the design is similar Russians Ulyanovsk Class or RF Shtrom Or C type 003 Class Carrier? Thumbnail one
If we have to go for another IAC of around 45-50T then it better be atleast like charles de Gaulle. Conventional or nuclear they can choose. But catapult steam or EMALS is a must to use the platform to it’s full potential. With current relations with France, they will also be keen to help us develop such a platform.
Edit:- The only reason navy is looking for it suggests Russian purchase(Vikramaditya) didn’t go so well.
why not use fuel cells to power it? dont they generate lots of electricity with out radiation?
Great video
Koi bhi future aircraft carrier pair me banna chahiye jisse ki INS Vikramaditya ke retirement se pehle hi India ke paas 3 modern aircraft carriers honge
Air craft carrier k jagah hum 2 helicopter carriers taiyar kr skte h jo ki cost effective bhi hote h aur short level areas m kafi useful bhi hote h jisko hum primarily pakistan k against diploy kr skte h aur apne aircraft carrier China ko counter krne k liye use kr skte h isko banane se Humari manufacturing expatriates bhi waste nahi hogi sath hi sath humko ek aur chiz ka experience milega
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We need futuristic aircraft carrier as going forward India must have 3 aircraft carrier and at the same time we require futuristic technologies to replace VIKRAMADITYA 🔥
We need both CATABOR AND STOBAR with EMALS mechanism in place.
Also we need to explore nuclear propellent option with France.
Indian Navy should not behind in advance technologies as well as in its planning as we suffered in submarines 🔥