The defensive player always has to keep his momentum in those situations cuz the offensive player isn’t always running his full speed. If u slow dwn he’ll kick it into another gear a blow right past u. U gotta come in hot and with no hesitation. That’s what makes this game tough
@@DerVorsitzender no, head hunting and hesitating is unacceptable. U can come in hot and make a proper tackle. Guys that hesitate are out of the league in 3 yrs. And let’s not act like ball carriers Dnt lower their heads for contact. Most hits would be clean if the ball carrier didn’t lower his head looking for a head on collision 90% of the time he’s about to be tackled. Your way will have dudes heels stuck in the mud while the ball carrier runs right by
7:00 The fair point to make is this: "safe" tackles, the drags/wraps/etc, they don't make these clip reels. Given there are only enough 'brutal' tackles to make 4 or 5 mid-length compilations, and we're covering in these typically 30-40 years worth of NFL *and* college football, that says the vast predominance of tackles are closer to what you'd expect a safe tackle to look like.
Honestly, that's the soundest, most reasonable argument I've heard from anyone on the internet, like ever. And without being patronising or derogatory at all. Kudos my man. You are 100% right
I think you're so right about the going all-in on the line of tackle thing (over-commiting yourself). So many times guys are just mentally set on a "hit him hard" tackle that you get caught off balance at the point of contact if the runner jukes - you can't react to it as a result. The other thing is I think in rugby you're probably trained to keep the tackle more at the runner's midsection, and you're probably less likely to miss a tackle as a result. In football you see a lot of high tackles, which runners can shake off more easily or at least get more yardage out of the run, with someone on their back rather than at their legs lifting them. When tackling, we were always trained to hit, wrap, and drop. But that doesn't seem to be the case any more.
Spot-on, RE the quality of tackling. Old school coaches who value fundamentals cringe at the way defenders tackle these days. I blame sports highlight shows. Everyone wants the spectacular collision in order to see themselves on a highlight video. Ideally, rugby tackles and American football tackles are quite similar - place your head on the ball side, wrap with the arms at a point near your man's center of gravity, drive through the man to the ground. Fundamentally unsound guided missile tackles look impressive (provided they land properly). But they're unreliable because they hinge on perfect timing, and dangerous for both the ball carrier and the tackler. Some high level college teams actually hire rugby coaches as consultants in order to teach proper form.
Yes, but as someone else pointed out, I'm probably being a bit harsh as I'm watching highlight videos and good sound tackles don't make highlight reels. So naturally, what I've been seeing is the missile style hits and not the good technical ones.
@@reachmeorteachme Very fair point. I played years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth. My coach was extremely old school, even by the standards of the times (mid-late 1980's). I put a ferocious hit on a guy - forced the fumble, the guy had to be stretchered off, the whole bit. During the film session the following Monday evening, he stopped the tape: "I like the aggression, horsesh1t tackle. If you're not gonna wrap the guy up, you're not gonna play for me". He went on to criticize everything about the play - bad first step out of my stance, too slow to shed the block, I didn't read the play correctly (he was right - I never touched the man for whom I was actually responsible), etc. He took me aside after the film study and said, "I'm not going to apologize for laying into you, but you did really loosen that guy's fillings". Years later, when he was dying in a hospital bed, I went to visit him. He brought up that tackle. He said, "I think you wrapped up on every tackle you made after that, didn't you?" I'll remember that for the rest of my life.
It also depends on the situation. Sometimes you can allow them to gain a few yards so you can be more conservative but if you need a immediate stop you have to be more aggressive
The biggest mistake people from overseas make when they watch American footbal is comparing it to Rugby. American football is a WHOLE different world among sports. In American football "rugby" tackling (wrapping the ballcarrier up with both arms) is extremely difficult because American footballers are extremely fast. When the play develops you cannot "sit back" or sort of wait for an opportunity to wrap up a ballcarrier due to speed of the runner during the play. The blocking schemes on BOTH sides of the ball, the unpredictable running of the ballcarrier are also factors. Plus, they are wearing 13-15 lbs of equipment so these, and several other factors play into why American players focus more on "hitting" the ballcarrier rather than "wrapping" him up. It is extremely difficult to do because everything happens so fast on the field. Plus American defenders focus more on attacking schemes which prohibits the defenders from trying to wrap up as much as they do in rugby.
The missed tackling is a result of the explosive speed of the runners. Many of the players in American football run track on both offense and defense. When you zero-in on the ball carrier you are usually closing in on him at top speed. he is moving at top speed so he is not going t make it easy for you to TACKLE him. They place greater emphasis on HITTING the ball carrier instead of TACKLING him like they do in rugby. He will usually juke you one way to get you to react and your momentum is carrying you one way, then he shoots in another direction. So, you are taught to try to slap the ball away from him (cause a fumble) because it is hard to make clean, rugby-style tackles in American football because of the speed of the game. Rugby is easier to make tackles because the ball carrier moves with the line or vice-versa, and rugby is slower. Plus the rules protect the players from the very dangerous, high speed collisions American football is known for. That's ONE reason for the poor tackling technique.
I get what you’re saying about the defense holding back and more so being patient. But at the same time I don’t think you understand how fast these players are. Even the lineman who look like they are the slowest people on the field, they are definitely faster than any of the fastest people you have played with or seen in real life. The difference between college and nfl is day and night. These players in the nfl are modern day gladiators. You give it your all or you get cut. So even tho these running backs are the most agile people on the planet, the defensive lineman, as big as they look, are the most brutal and agile people as well. And at the same time, the qb has to know everybody’s position and where they are going, yet at the same time, live off instinct. It’s unfathomable how some of these qb’s think and move. If you ever wanna look up the impossible, just look up Aaron Rodgers greatest plays
bro check out Dhante Hall the human joystick; one of the most crazy insane jukes and movements; super underrated but that 2 years stretch was such a dangerous returner and changed games also that was him at timestamp 2:15
This is a gladiator sport, if you are not heading in at full speed ,with bad intentions, you are goin to get juked, and look like a clown or make the game saving play...
You're right about the defensive players in this video. But this video could be just as easily titled "The Worst Tackling in Football History." You certainly aren't seeing the best defensive plays.
I see that you don't understand the true meaning of "Structured" ...understand what offense and defense requires, and what each persons responsibility is within their positions, then you might begin to understand NFL...Good shot, keep watching and learning..
I'm not saying the game isn't structured. It's actually manufactured and planned to the extreme. What I'm saying is that in any given moment, you can be hit from anywhere, any angle. Whereas in our games, it's a straight offensive line vs a straight defensive line, so there is actually far less "structured" individual play in our codes, but the game itself doesn't have that chaos factor to it
You’re essentially taught to hit the ball carrier as hard as you can to try an cause a fumble.
That’s why these guys come flying in
The defensive player always has to keep his momentum in those situations cuz the offensive player isn’t always running his full speed. If u slow dwn he’ll kick it into another gear a blow right past u. U gotta come in hot and with no hesitation. That’s what makes this game tough
Exactly, the difference between adjusting for a technical tackle and smashing into someone at full speed is 10+ yards. Unacceptable
@@DerVorsitzender no, head hunting and hesitating is unacceptable. U can come in hot and make a proper tackle. Guys that hesitate are out of the league in 3 yrs. And let’s not act like ball carriers Dnt lower their heads for contact. Most hits would be clean if the ball carrier didn’t lower his head looking for a head on collision 90% of the time he’s about to be tackled. Your way will have dudes heels stuck in the mud while the ball carrier runs right by
7:00 The fair point to make is this: "safe" tackles, the drags/wraps/etc, they don't make these clip reels. Given there are only enough 'brutal' tackles to make 4 or 5 mid-length compilations, and we're covering in these typically 30-40 years worth of NFL *and* college football, that says the vast predominance of tackles are closer to what you'd expect a safe tackle to look like.
Honestly, that's the soundest, most reasonable argument I've heard from anyone on the internet, like ever. And without being patronising or derogatory at all. Kudos my man. You are 100% right
I think you're so right about the going all-in on the line of tackle thing (over-commiting yourself). So many times guys are just mentally set on a "hit him hard" tackle that you get caught off balance at the point of contact if the runner jukes - you can't react to it as a result. The other thing is I think in rugby you're probably trained to keep the tackle more at the runner's midsection, and you're probably less likely to miss a tackle as a result. In football you see a lot of high tackles, which runners can shake off more easily or at least get more yardage out of the run, with someone on their back rather than at their legs lifting them. When tackling, we were always trained to hit, wrap, and drop. But that doesn't seem to be the case any more.
Good to know I'm not making inaccurate observations. I'm trying not to come across as negative, just trying to piece it all together
Spot-on, RE the quality of tackling.
Old school coaches who value fundamentals cringe at the way defenders tackle these days. I blame sports highlight shows. Everyone wants the spectacular collision in order to see themselves on a highlight video.
Ideally, rugby tackles and American football tackles are quite similar - place your head on the ball side, wrap with the arms at a point near your man's center of gravity, drive through the man to the ground.
Fundamentally unsound guided missile tackles look impressive (provided they land properly). But they're unreliable because they hinge on perfect timing, and dangerous for both the ball carrier and the tackler.
Some high level college teams actually hire rugby coaches as consultants in order to teach proper form.
Yes, but as someone else pointed out, I'm probably being a bit harsh as I'm watching highlight videos and good sound tackles don't make highlight reels. So naturally, what I've been seeing is the missile style hits and not the good technical ones.
@@reachmeorteachme
Very fair point. I played years ago, when dinosaurs roamed the earth. My coach was extremely old school, even by the standards of the times (mid-late 1980's).
I put a ferocious hit on a guy - forced the fumble, the guy had to be stretchered off, the whole bit. During the film session the following Monday evening, he stopped the tape: "I like the aggression, horsesh1t tackle. If you're not gonna wrap the guy up, you're not gonna play for me". He went on to criticize everything about the play - bad first step out of my stance, too slow to shed the block, I didn't read the play correctly (he was right - I never touched the man for whom I was actually responsible), etc.
He took me aside after the film study and said, "I'm not going to apologize for laying into you, but you did really loosen that guy's fillings".
Years later, when he was dying in a hospital bed, I went to visit him. He brought up that tackle. He said, "I think you wrapped up on every tackle you made after that, didn't you?"
I'll remember that for the rest of my life.
It also depends on the situation. Sometimes you can allow them to gain a few yards so you can be more conservative but if you need a immediate stop you have to be more aggressive
The biggest mistake people from overseas make when they watch American footbal is comparing it to Rugby. American football is a WHOLE different world among sports. In American football "rugby" tackling (wrapping the ballcarrier up with both arms) is extremely difficult because American footballers are extremely fast. When the play develops you cannot "sit back" or sort of wait for an opportunity to wrap up a ballcarrier due to speed of the runner during the play. The blocking schemes on BOTH sides of the ball, the unpredictable running of the ballcarrier are also factors. Plus, they are wearing 13-15 lbs of equipment so these, and several other factors play into why American players focus more on "hitting" the ballcarrier rather than "wrapping" him up. It is extremely difficult to do because everything happens so fast on the field. Plus American defenders focus more on attacking schemes which prohibits the defenders from trying to wrap up as much as they do in rugby.
The missed tackling is a result of the explosive speed of the runners. Many of the players in American football run track on both offense and defense. When you zero-in on the ball carrier you are usually closing in on him at top speed. he is moving at top speed so he is not going t make it easy for you to TACKLE him. They place greater emphasis on HITTING the ball carrier instead of TACKLING him like they do in rugby. He will usually juke you one way to get you to react and your momentum is carrying you one way, then he shoots in another direction. So, you are taught to try to slap the ball away from him (cause a fumble) because it is hard to make clean, rugby-style tackles in American football because of the speed of the game. Rugby is easier to make tackles because the ball carrier moves with the line or vice-versa, and rugby is slower. Plus the rules protect the players from the very dangerous, high speed collisions American football is known for. That's ONE reason for the poor tackling technique.
I get what you’re saying about the defense holding back and more so being patient. But at the same time I don’t think you understand how fast these players are. Even the lineman who look like they are the slowest people on the field, they are definitely faster than any of the fastest people you have played with or seen in real life. The difference between college and nfl is day and night. These players in the nfl are modern day gladiators. You give it your all or you get cut. So even tho these running backs are the most agile people on the planet, the defensive lineman, as big as they look, are the most brutal and agile people as well. And at the same time, the qb has to know everybody’s position and where they are going, yet at the same time, live off instinct. It’s unfathomable how some of these qb’s think and move. If you ever wanna look up the impossible, just look up Aaron Rodgers greatest plays
Rodgers is on my list. I keep hearing his name in these compilation vids.
Suggestion: Watch NFL biggest hits "Here Comes The Boom"..
bro check out Dhante Hall the human joystick; one of the most crazy insane jukes and movements; super underrated but that 2 years stretch was such a dangerous returner and changed games
also that was him at timestamp 2:15
Yessir! Thanks for the recommendation. Sounds like the sort of thing I'm keen to see.
Some of these are high schoolers too
This is a gladiator sport, if you are not heading in at full speed ,with bad intentions, you are goin to get juked, and look like a clown or make the game saving play...
You're right about the defensive players in this video. But this video could be just as easily titled "The Worst Tackling in Football History." You certainly aren't seeing the best defensive plays.
Looking for good form in a highlight video is really kinda silly.
Fair enough
I see that you don't understand the true meaning of "Structured" ...understand what offense and defense requires, and what each persons responsibility is within their positions, then you might begin to understand NFL...Good shot, keep watching and learning..
I'm not saying the game isn't structured. It's actually manufactured and planned to the extreme. What I'm saying is that in any given moment, you can be hit from anywhere, any angle. Whereas in our games, it's a straight offensive line vs a straight defensive line, so there is actually far less "structured" individual play in our codes, but the game itself doesn't have that chaos factor to it