Schools in America must really suck. It's actually not that bad where I go to school. Teachers are great and inspire students to contribute in a meaningful way to society.
MrVinnyable1 Grew up in the Netherlands in the sixties and seventies; hated school. It was then precisely as he says. I wanted something better for my American children in the nineties, but with the exception of the years spent in a German kindergarten in Germany and a preschool in Las Vegas, my children's education was not that great. Both my kids had a couple, decent teachers, but on the whole their public schooling was very traditional and coercive, just as described. Nowadays since 2001, public schools in the U.S. are even worse! No more recess, no more play in kindergarten, scripted literacy lessons, lockstep schedule and now the implementation of common core with blended learning (computer/tablets) and lots of standardized testing in each grade, also by computer. If I had young kids today I could not in good conscience subject them to such schooling and apart from Montessori or democratic schools, I do not think a typical private school offers that much more freedom to its students.
Thanks for your insight. My school followed the IB Programme, so you could choose the subjects you wanted. But if I wanted to learn anything extra, I would do that in my free time. The education system can't possibly cater to every individual's specific interests, not in this economy. For me, the best way is to explore, and discover what interests you; while performing decently in school. Private school (mine) had great teachers, and that makes it much better. I am from Thailand by the way (18 years old). Public schools here are just like you described as well. But we still need schools? (to answer the question of this talk)
MrVinnyable1 Can you envision how much more would actually be learned if students could pursue at least some of their own interests as part of the curriculum? I sure learned most interesting things outside of school, but not until much later. I mean..how many kids really want to read more, learn more after school and after doing the required homework? I think it is interesting to wonder why it is that only certain subjects are taught, and not the most needed ones to improve life for all on this planet. Why are philosophy and logic not taught? Well, because that would nurture more critical and open-minded thinking in students, and that would threaten the life style of the wealthy.
What he is saying is true, but I think one the most difficult obstacles to overcome is our notion of equality, and what that means. I think one of the reason why the education has survived in tact for so long is that the education system is all about conformity and standardization. In the 1800's it was needed to produce obedient workers in the factories. In our modern age it is all about our notion of equality. I think it is an attempt to make all children "equal." Of course as human beings we are not all the same and what is happening is that only some children will do ok in the education system, but if you don't fit the mold you will fail. I think we need to let go of our notions of equality, and I don't see that happening. In an education system geared towards putting children in an environment where they will thrive you will see very large differences among children. I think we are very uncomfortable with that because we want to believe all children are creative and incredible geniuses.
Luke B actually having this standardized measurment of children through schools diminishes the thought that everyone can be geniuses. Just like what Albert Einstein said "“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
It is great to see the new generation take over the baton! So many great educators are aging or dead! They seem powerless in changing the system. That new impatient energy is needed to capitalize on old knowledge and finally crush the poisonous dogma!
Not sure I agree with his historical analysis of the origins of American schools (nothing is so black-and-white, cut-and-dry as presented here), but the effects of current day American education are indeed extremely deleterious to students, teachers and society as a whole.
yes it is yes it is yes it is in with you school made me bad I used to be kind and loving of others but now I'm mean to my parentbecause of school my teacher was mean to me always come home from school and have headaches every day and be sleepy
Bruce Lee asked whether schools really where necessary and Robert James Fischer said, that school doesn´t really teach you anything. If 2 of the world´s great geniuses on their field openly dares to say that, then there IS something about it.......
I really hate school.. these 8th grade teachers are annoying.. making me stay in a class for 90 minutes oh no.. it’s like being locked up in jail and forced to learn, or forced to do.
If you learn what you are interested in and don't learn anything else you are creating a disconnect between you and those of other professions. While this method sounds nice, it just isn't practical for a full scale use in a country. The method we have today is flawed but that is due to the lack of government support and standardized testing. It's my opinion, so if you disagree with me it's also the majority opinion of those people in office who have the power to change it... Reform will happen in the future though, it may not be this, but all things are reformed with time.
Making a "connect" by force does not work. In contrast, those who love learning will connect all dots when they need them connected. Your reasoning neglects the fact that memories do not seal without a purpose and a purpose cannot be impose artificially over a stretched distance that kills comprehension. If you do not believe theory, look around and see that all good learning is own.
you have no idea what you are saying! (to use your style of criticism). Please explain the problem that you see. This lecture is a perfect recapitulation of prior work by Holt, Gatto, Green and many others. If you see a problem, quote a specific point in time.
I ask my self that question every day
Simply so important. This video has so much good in it.
Anyone else notice the timer they blurred out? 1:27 and 4:45
Schools in America must really suck. It's actually not that bad where I go to school. Teachers are great and inspire students to contribute in a meaningful way to society.
MrVinnyable1 Yes, but do they let you learn what you are interested in?
yes, but mine is a private school so it's different. What about your experience?
MrVinnyable1 Grew up in the Netherlands in the sixties and seventies; hated school. It was then precisely as he says. I wanted something better for my American children in the nineties, but with the exception of the years spent in a German kindergarten in Germany and a preschool in Las Vegas, my children's education was not that great. Both my kids had a couple, decent teachers, but on the whole their public schooling was very traditional and coercive, just as described. Nowadays since 2001, public schools in the U.S. are even worse! No more recess, no more play in kindergarten, scripted literacy lessons, lockstep schedule and now the implementation of common core with blended learning (computer/tablets) and lots of standardized testing in each grade, also by computer. If I had young kids today I could not in good conscience subject them to such schooling and apart from Montessori or democratic schools, I do not think a typical private school offers that much more freedom to its students.
Thanks for your insight. My school followed the IB Programme, so you could choose the subjects you wanted. But if I wanted to learn anything extra, I would do that in my free time. The education system can't possibly cater to every individual's specific interests, not in this economy. For me, the best way is to explore, and discover what interests you; while performing decently in school. Private school (mine) had great teachers, and that makes it much better. I am from Thailand by the way (18 years old). Public schools here are just like you described as well. But we still need schools? (to answer the question of this talk)
MrVinnyable1 Can you envision how much more would actually be learned if students could pursue at least some of their own interests as part of the curriculum? I sure learned most interesting things outside of school, but not until much later. I mean..how many kids really want to read more, learn more after school and after doing the required homework?
I think it is interesting to wonder why it is that only certain subjects are taught, and not the most needed ones to improve life for all on this planet. Why are philosophy and logic not taught? Well, because that would nurture more critical and open-minded thinking in students, and that would threaten the life style of the wealthy.
What he is saying is true, but I think one the most difficult obstacles to overcome is our notion of equality, and what that means. I think one of the reason why the education has survived in tact for so long is that the education system is all about conformity and standardization.
In the 1800's it was needed to produce obedient workers in the factories. In our modern age it is all about our notion of equality. I think it is an attempt to make all children "equal." Of course as human beings we are not all the same and what is happening is that only some children will do ok in the education system, but if you don't fit the mold you will fail.
I think we need to let go of our notions of equality, and I don't see that happening. In an education system geared towards putting children in an environment where they will thrive you will see very large differences among children. I think we are very uncomfortable with that because we want to believe all children are creative and incredible geniuses.
Luke B actually having this standardized measurment of children through schools diminishes the thought that everyone can be geniuses. Just like what Albert Einstein said "“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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It is great to see the new generation take over the baton! So many great educators are aging or dead! They seem powerless in changing the system. That new impatient energy is needed to capitalize on old knowledge and finally crush the poisonous dogma!
Agreed
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DEFINITELY WILL SEND THIS EMAIL TO MY SCHOOL HOPE IT FAN MAKE A BETTER DIFFERENT
Not sure I agree with his historical analysis of the origins of American schools (nothing is so black-and-white, cut-and-dry as presented here), but the effects of current day American education are indeed extremely deleterious to students, teachers and society as a whole.
True. .
yes it is yes it is yes it is in with you school made me bad I used to be kind and loving of others but now I'm mean to my parentbecause of school my teacher was mean to me always come home from school and have headaches every day and be sleepy
YES
Bruce Lee asked whether schools really where necessary and Robert James Fischer said, that school doesn´t really teach you anything. If 2 of the world´s great geniuses on their field openly dares to say that, then there IS something about it.......
Bruce Lee eadnr a genius.
I really hate school.. these 8th grade teachers are annoying..
making me stay in a class for 90 minutes oh no.. it’s like being locked up in jail and forced to learn, or forced to do.
You're obviously an edgy child that doesn't know better.
If you learn what you are interested in and don't learn anything else you are creating a disconnect between you and those of other professions. While this method sounds nice, it just isn't practical for a full scale use in a country. The method we have today is flawed but that is due to the lack of government support and standardized testing. It's my opinion, so if you disagree with me it's also the majority opinion of those people in office who have the power to change it...
Reform will happen in the future though, it may not be this, but all things are reformed with time.
Making a "connect" by force does not work. In contrast, those who love learning will connect all dots when they need them connected. Your reasoning neglects the fact that memories do not seal without a purpose and a purpose cannot be impose artificially over a stretched distance that kills comprehension. If you do not believe theory, look around and see that all good learning is own.
I hate school............
that's a keeper! now, i wonder what a typical u s cop would think about all that, or a politician, banker...
the sooner we integrate with machines the sooner we can get rid of learning.
not according to betsy devos.
has this guy done any research in schools of any thing past the 1960's?! this guy has no idea what he is doing.
you should look him up
+Bunny Archer Have you done any research and do you have a counterargument that disproves what he is saying? If so, then let's see it.
you have no idea what you are saying! (to use your style of criticism). Please explain the problem that you see. This lecture is a perfect recapitulation of prior work by Holt, Gatto, Green and many others. If you see a problem, quote a specific point in time.