Umm...No, that particular moment did have a pay-off. Shiroe used that control to blacklist the members of a guild called Hamelin and also leveraged his control to prompt the formation of the Round Table to better manage things in Akihabara. If anything, that kind of sets the precedent for the rest of the series. The pacing and unresolved plotline problems only start later.
to be fair its a problem that happens a lot to novel writers and mangakas, specially if they get some popularity. because while they are unpopular they dont need to declare, but out of nowhere they need and dont know/forget/do it poorly.
the worst part about log horizon not getting more content is that the author has actually been writing more of the plot. I think there's like three or more whole unreleased volumes for the light novel at this point. The publishing house is just refusing to put out more volumes at this point.
Glad you brought up all the focus on the kids, as it really did kill the pacing of the series. But the other problem with them, and the entire group of "newbies" in Log Horizon? All of them were supposedly kids IRL. I can believe MMO players understanding various parts of building a steam ship or a train. What I can't believe is that in an MMO, everyone older than 18 only had characters level 50-90, and only kids younger than 18 had characters level 1-40. Where were the middle school age kids playing all day, everyday at max level with their 2 meter tall character made of muscle, and conversely the working adult player who only gets a few hours on the weekend so they've only made it to level 20?
Because they just started like was stated and also old game. It was a popular game but wasn't WoW or Final Fantasy 14 levels of popular in the world setting. Also new expansion. Nevermind your assuming a lot of people who looked like adults were when the big monk dude you see was actually a 15 year old IRL in his avatars body that mixed with his own features. Your also assuming the kids of the future with current brain rot faster and plenty content to consume have the patience to actually spend the time grinding even when they have EXP pots or.people helping them out and not fucking up their build which by Shiroe's oh admission was possible when he met the twins.
Elder Tale was already 20yrs old at that point, and already had 12 expansions, including the latest one which actually caused(maybe?) the whole isekai thing. So it would make sense if the veterans were mostly adults in RL, with the noobs being all children. Of course, it would make sense if there were a few characters that were adults in RL, but noobs in game.
It took me a month after its 3rd season started to air back in 2021, to know that there is actually a 3rd season lmao. Shame how it became so forgettable
I didn't know the third season existed until I went to force a friend to watch the first two seasons in 2022. He'd called it an SAO clone, which was an insult I couldn't let stand. Now he calls it the "Star Wars prequels of SAO" or "SAO but political" just to annoy me
I remember people complaining about season 3 being rushed when... 2 out of the 3 novels adapted was decently paced. At least in season 1 and 2 standards. The kusty novel was the only rushed one, to the point where the main cast treated it like a recap and only quickly mentioned the other half the novel. Also.... the fact that season 3 adapted all that was published so far. Sure, maaaaaybe they can probably do a better job with a 24 episode anime if only to properly adapt the krusty novel and whatever else they skiped in seasons 1 and 2 but.. that's asuming getting greenlit for a full 24 episode season was in the cards. We should be happy season 3 even happened considering what happened to the author. Not to mention that... season 3 did server a perpose. It wraped up and clarified lingering plot threads before the main plot starts kicking in. First arc with the round table followed up a plot thread from season 2, the krusty arc finally established who the main villians are, and ard 3 finally resolves that stupid love triangle that pluaged season 2. As for the series pacing, i took it as shiro being more as one of the mc, not the mc. LH seems more focused on world building by rotating povs, which is fine in my books, but i can get how that can feel unfocused.
The first half of every season I'm always like "Thats cool I really like that." The second half. "I hate hate these goddamn kids. Can they fuck off already and get back to shiro or anyone else." I didn't really think of the lack of direction thing untill you said it but your right it really doesn't.
The lack of direction is modern Isekai problem in a nutshell, their MO is basically think up good premise and figure out thing from there and not many are able to figure it out. Like people make fun of shonen story but you can get the gist of narrative goal in a sentence
100% agree. WHY STORY FOCUSED SO MUCH ON THE KIDS? I dont understand the point of that. 1/3 of the screentime after s1e17 is primarily focused on the kids to the end of season 3. We got: Kids got from jail guild, romantic relationship thoughts for couple episodes, kids do dungeon, multiple times in details too much i would say, murloc invasion, constantly switching POV, half episode about travel preparation, whole travel arc and again focus on kids during Akihabara raid. While we missed: literally the whole Doctor Stone like progression with builded MODERN SHIP, country sized expanded economy, whole relationship between players and NPCs at ground level, extended relationship between other NPC nations. We didnt get much in terms of main group development, all other guilds also was kinda neglected. Other player faction retreated for no reason, instead of doing a FUN(for viewers) full fledge war between players. Imagine if third season was about real destruction, and Shiroe faction become splitted in half, and enemies ACTUALLY ATTACKING and supposedly kidnapping people in shadows? There so much potencial, so many ideas, from crafting gear being better, then actual raid gear(write item description to make an OP item) to create a personal gold reserve, a personal bank and new currency based on gold (i was very surprised no one did that tbh). Instead we got voting for almost entire season 3 and a stupid filler villain specifically designed for KIDS group and zero resolved mysteries.
Another issue I noticed, with the second season, was a noticeable dip in animation quality compared to the first. It was serviceable, for the most part, but it never impressed; and there were moments where the quality dipped low enough that it distracted from the story being told.
It was my cup of tea, and it pains me that it's not famous enough to be on the mainstream. The first reasons I could think of as to why LH "failed" is because it's not action-packed and the main character isn't a Kirito clone nor a traditionally overpowered protag.
No it quite literally only failed because of tax evasion legal issues that the author didn't even know he was doing because he was still a young adult at the time of writing this and not knowing how taxes work fully for a company just being a normal guy and working through a publisher who failed to teach him. This tax evasion also bleed over into the production issues because the author was actually discussing stuff with the director of the anime to how he would like it to go and Japanese being Japanese it got murky when the author ended up in court. See season 2 and even more for season 3 because of bad PR and again, Japanese mindset.
Decided to give this vid a watch since I enjoyed S1 a lot but thought S2 was mid. I kid you not, I had to do a double take when you mentioned a third season being out! I had no idea! You really hit the nail on the head with how the second season felt pretty directionless. I didn't really dislike the kids hanging out with the main cast (or as their own characters, in general), but they really brought nothing new nor interesting to the table when put on their own. Honestly, had they given the kids something plot-relevant to do, explore or discover, S2 just might have ended up feeling more eventful than it did. Instead, I'm given a bunch of characters I don't know all that well with an uninteresting plot as the main focus, while the characters I grew to love and care about during S1 either played second fiddle to them or just didn't show up at all for the second half of the season. To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure I actually did finish S2. I THINK I did, but I could be wrong and I definitely haven't cared enough to go back and check. Which is a shame, because I remember really liking S1. This anime had a lot of potential and interesting ideas, but they dropped the ball somehwere along the way; that's always sad to see.
It would not surprise me if the author completely drops the series or gives it a rushed ending and go work on a different project entirely, because this is something that happens with mangaka and LN authors on occasion.
Nope. It's showcases a real situations in MMORPG wherein you gain alliance, talk about stuff and etc. Anime isn't all about fighting. I'm not against those people who are watching anime for fights but Log Horizon is more about its storyline
We going to act like Slime isekai didn't have a bunch of people gassing up the fights and Rimuru being OP as fuck when the majority of the series is actually politics and establishing a country from the humble beginnings as a small village and gathering people to help live a comfortable life? Nevermind people praised how accurate the experience is for a series about MMO's.
Well many people have different opinion, like Anime isn't about fighting and all, but remember the setting of this anime, MMORPG, dude if you ever play MMORPG like Monster Hunter or something, did your guild battle or hunting once in a month? And the rest is talking about the game? You transported into new world, you can't die, explore it, just like when you get new DLC from your favorite MMO
I liked season 1 of Log Horizon so much that I started collecting the novels. It was confusing and disappointing when new volumes finally stopped coming out. I don't think I even heard about a third season of the anime D: The story isn't fast, but in the novels we get even more character perspectives and that helps sell the world/civilization as part of the plot. This person gets softlocked irl, this summoner has an actual relationship with their contracted "monster," that person observing the results of this isekia-ing isn't responsible for or profiting from the death cult. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the author is suffering from that old webcomic disease. I don't recall the name, but the one where the longer the story runs, the more time they spend on minutia and the more world/characters/plot exist to be expounded upon.
Log Horizon was a great show, because it had a different take on the stuck in another world story. The problem I found with it was that it tried to follow too many characters. Like some novels do. They were all fine characters, but the story should have stayed centered on just a few of them. Of course I have to a shout out to the abridged parody, by phat dog.
I love Log Horizon so much... but it is true that the story barely advances in the latter seasons. IMO the most damaging thing was the hiatus: I had to rewatch everything just to remember, when the 3rd season arrived.
I liked Log Horizon a lot more than SAO. The whole "If you die in the game, you die in the real world" shtick was just so cringy to me that I turned away from it even though the isekai genre was still relatively new. Plus, the main MC was way too edgy with the middle-school aesthetic of "cool" wearing the long black coat trying to be knockoff Neo that countless other isekai series that came later imitated...it was like seeing kids try and imitate their favorite asshole youtube...I hated it all. Log Horizon on the other hand was them living for real in a world that simply had their video game mechanics, and actually had interesting characters that were a fresh take...so it was a lot better series IMO. Also, taxation is theft. The author did nothing wrong.
Kirito isn't edgy. The dudes a normal teenager. Things happening to someone that made them sad or trying to do the literal same thing as Shiroe does about making himself look like the villain happens in the first episode of SAO. Being sad someone died isn't being edgy. Hell, people, adults specifically got mad that Log Horizon didn't actually have perma death and said "well there are no stakes now" like idiots because the first interesting thing people complained about.
I think you already summarized how I felt about the series; especially season 3. The story is going nowhere. The author did world-building just for the sake of world-building and that felt very dragging without any plot progression. Imagine Dungeon Meshi with 24 episodes of them exploring the dungeon and eating and yet haven't found Farin. That would be a snore fest. MAL is quite generous giving season 3 a solid 7 since it's a 6.5 for me.
For me, SAO, Overlord and Log Horizon were the trifecta of the VRMMO/Isekai genre that captured my imagination. Really sad to see Log Horizon fade into obscurity like it did.
My biggest issue with season 2 (and that circles back around to the story seeming even afraid to progress t he plot in any meaningful way) is the romance, especially the episode that was a "who gets to be the main love interest" between the ninja chick and a LITERAL FUCKING CHILD! The MC even proved he wasn't totally oblivious to the romantic feelings the Ninja chick had towards him and just wasn't ready to address them yet (weak cop out for a story afraid to do anything) and yet he doesn't feel the need to tell a LITERAL CHILD to stop thirsting after him? Like holy fuck, it would be bad enough as a background gag, but they focused AN ENTIRE FUCKING EPISODE on it! Fuck I'm still mad lol!
To put into perspective how much I hate the kids in this show. I haven't watched it again since release, and I still remember Rundelhaus Code because of how much I dislike him. I don't remember characters in shows I watched last week.
"it was loved by a lot of ANIME fans" There's your problem, the LN hasn't been continued for god knows what reason there is no content for a new season
*A LOG HORIZON VIDEO IN 2024* !! *LET’s GOOOOOO* 🗣️ I still say till this day that log horizon is one of the best “Death game” animes we ever got! Better than SAO better than HACK .Sign. Plus it’s one of the animes were death actually effects them physically. Every death they lose memories and they’ve died so many times before finding this out. Love it so much!
@ that’s what that genre is called… a death game… just like SAO is “trapped in a video game” but is categorized as “death game” and since they were released around the same time, they are both characterized as such. Hence why I call it a “death game”. Also losing one’s memories is basically like dying.. you cease to exist, that specific individuality or certain traits that made you *YOU* are gone.. just like death. Since the anime ended on a cliff hanger I have no idea if they reclaim their memories but I can assume losing such, is equivalent to dying. Sorry for the paragraph but I thought since I wasn’t “Clear” enough before I might as well make it clear now.
Pretty sure it was the dude getting so much money and not marking it down right getting him in trouble with the law that did it. By the time Log Horizon came back it had been forever and no one cared.
EchoDecoder. Whether this post is worth pinning, is up to you. But it's worth the read. The "latest" content that was covered in the anime's 3rd season is more of a "Set-up" for bigger things. Bigger things that were slated to be in later Volumes of the Web/Light Novels that were *never* released. As for what happened after season 3 (or Vol. 13 of the Web/Light Novels), I found this on Log Horizon's Animesuki forums *(it's long, but important).* *Events from the 1st half of Vol. 14 of the Web/Light Novels:* - Shiroe, Akatsuki and Regan head to Minami. - Minami is currently in civil war between Nureha’s faction and the noble faction which Indictus is part of. - Roe2 finally meets Shiroe in Minami for the first time. - Shiroe has a meeting with Plant Hwyden. - Nureha and PH agreed to form an alliance to deal with the Genuses. But they need resolve the civil war in order to follow through. - Indictus is revealed to be influenced by a Genus. Shiroe actually thought of this theory. - Shiroe predicted the Genuses are using the civil war to gain Empathinum. He relays the info Roe2 gave him in the letter to PH. - Shiroe propose to meet with Indictus to peacefully subside the civil war. Some in PH thinks it’s a bad idea given that Indictus hates Shiroe the most but decide to let him go through with it. - Nureha’s faction is basically the majority of PH, while very few sided with Indictus and the nobles. FYI, all of the PofL in PH sided with Nureha out of dislike towards Indictus. - Krusty and Kanami’s party got to the Yamato server and are heading to Minami to meet up with Shiroe (they found out Shiroe is there somehow) - Shiroe tells Roe2 that he plans on going to the moon to face the Genuses directly. - Nureha wants to sit in with Shiroe’s meeting with Indictus, but he tells her the guild needs her more because of the noble faction. - Shiroe and Akatsuki heads to a room to meet with Indictus. - With Akatsuki guarding the door, Shiroe’s meeting with Indictus is about the start. And that's where the whole series stopped. As I said, what the anime's 3rd season covered was more a "set-up" to bigger things later in the series. Although, there was the _Re:Fraction_ real-life Gallery event in 2018. Showing preview images of *Vol. 12-16* of the Web/Light Novels. Notable images from that event featured Krusty & Kanami's party fighting _Sasubo the Genus of Voyages_ in Vol. 15. And Shiroe & Roe2 meeting in Log Horizon's guild hall to exchange information in Vol. 16. If you wanted Story progression, there it is. And all of that was *never officially* released.
Yeah, I love SAO, coz I read the LN during Haruhi boom (before the anime boom) but SAO is like a personal saga. Which is 'easy' for the reader to follow just like classic fairy tales. But LH is different, the story definitely made for more mature audience, the complexity of the plot is it's charm. But yeah, the pacing kinda slow, and I agree about the focus kinda split everywhere, between the kids and their ol guild leader arc too (Nanami? I kinda forget). I think the ideal one is closer to Code Geass for this kind of story.
S1 was a solid 9/10, S2 first half (Up until end of gold of the Kunie arc) wasn't too far behind that, second half was terrible. S3 was basically what happens if you average S2 but spread it out. Nowhere near as bad as second half of S2, but also not close to how good S1 or first half S2 were.
Speaking of Log Horizon, have you read Maou Yuusha? Yeah read, not watch, there is only 1 season of anime but kinda forgotten/unknown, but the manga/novel is finished. It's another great series from the same author. The setting is a standard human world vs demon world, but the twist is the demon king convinced the hero how the war is for better for both sides, since for the human side the countries with poor lands are on the frontline of the war and without help from richer country that's concerned for their safety, more will actually perish from starvation. For the demon side, the war keep them united, since they are all racially diverse. The demon king(the brain) works together with the hero(the brawn) to improve the situation on both lands, politically and economically, before they try to reach a peace agreement. All the side characters are also great, since we can actually see how the world is actually improving by how all of the people the MCs(both MC) met/saved/taught will actually make an impact in some way. They aren't MCs' orbiters either(unlike most of the stories like this), they are actually walking their own path.
@EchoDecoder another fun thing about this is all the characters are actually called by their jobs. As their job changes, so does their name. Female Knight? They must be talking about *the* female knight. Crimson Scholar? Certainly there is a character that is red themed and kinda scholarly. It sure feels nice not having to hear some random name and looks back to know whose name it belongs to.
Yes, this. S2 and S3 just felt like a lot of nothing. When S1 finished there has been a decent amount of plot progression and world discovering and integration. Recently i watched SAO for the first time and sadly have to say it is better than LH. There are a lot of cliches, but at least it seemed like the world was moving somewhere. Exploring new floors, trying to find the reason behind why they weren't able to log out, some of them even found jobs to do. S2 was somewhat of a repeat with more exposure and who was behind all this. Alicization was the weakest one for me, as it somehow just rehashed S1 and starting from zero, until the end when there were BS powerups everywhere. At least it had some kind of conclusion with the main antagonists and development with AI. Similar can be said about Mushoku Tensei. You don't have to like Rudy, but you cant deny there is a lot of worldbuilding, character development and the plot somewhat moving forward. The Slime anime is also another comparison, though considering how the talking was in the forefront in the latest season it fell off for many. So LH is taking its sweet time to do nothing and focusing on the wrong people. There is a reason why there is an MC.
I loved the first two seasosn and have watched them like 6 times, but with the last one it really felt like let down in every way, the krusty line was way too long, we already knew he was taveling with Kanami, so spending more tan two chapters on him was a waste, and then getting an arc for the kids traveling with two anoying npcs was horendous, I really wanted to know what Nureha was plannin and finally have a player v player conflict.
I rewatched to season 3 the other week and I felt the narrative started to take a turn for the worst halfway through season 2. So by time I reached season 3 I wasn't as interested, plus they replaced Souji's VA >:C
mmmm, Log horizon was the kind of show I thought I would like but it is was just WAAAAAAAYYYYYY tooo slowly paced, has absolutely no direction. Also the kids were clearly supposed to show the experience of early to mid level players, (pre wow mmos it usually took years to get to max levels as opposed to the 2 weeks - 3 months it takes now a days), but even they lacked a clear direction or goal.
No, too late. Even more so anime like this can't work now because too much need for stimuli. The slow burn just doesn't work nowadays because of TikTok brain rot and lowering kids patience.
SAO is crap, Log Horizon is the best. It is too bad they black listed the creater for tax evasion. But they wont the only one to do so and they other storyies still get to continue.
All isekai is wish fulfillment. Most isekai anime are power or sexual fantasies. The author of log horizon's deepest wish was tax evasion, that's why they spend 6 episodes setting up fantasy tax offices. (love the show though)
At the end of the day, Log Horizon was actually mid. That's why it failed. Mind you, this is not an insult to people who liked LH. I'm sure I'll get enough hate regardless though. This may upset people, but realistically, the majority of the people who cling to LH were anti-SAO obsessers. They desperately wanted to find the SAO killer because they irrationally hated SAO. By irrationally, I mean they acted like the fact SAO existed, it invalidated their existence or something. I never liked LH. It was a series that spent entirely too much time trying to world build, and it was realistically boring and didn't so much. It wanted the world building to be the primary thing it did to separate itself from other anime, and it was it's downfall. When I ran into the very rare LH, I'd ask what drew them into LH, I'd never really get an answer outside of "It's better then SAO" and people would refuse to give better answers.
I have always hated Akatsuki the most in the series as she ruined the pacing as chewing on a shard of glass on your pizza. She was everything I hated with her constant beating up of the Tank due to his ecchi tendencies, it annoyed me to no end, plus the other females were more pleasing than her. I did not hear of S3 till recently, but I plan to watch(god willing) it after I clear my backlog of other stories I am following.
DATABASE! DATABASE! JUST LIVING IN THE DATABASE! WOAH-OH!
Correction: The whole anime has 62 episodes, not 63.
🗣️🗣️🗣️ THE WALL OF PURE FICTION'S CRACKING IN MY HEAD
AND THE ADDICTION OF MY WORLD STILL SPREADS!
The moment where they pretty much bought the entire city was hype af. And then it went nowhere and nothing of significance happened.
AGREEE : (((((
Umm...No, that particular moment did have a pay-off. Shiroe used that control to blacklist the members of a guild called Hamelin and also leveraged his control to prompt the formation of the Round Table to better manage things in Akihabara. If anything, that kind of sets the precedent for the rest of the series. The pacing and unresolved plotline problems only start later.
LOG HORIZON MENTIONED
The author got busted for tax evasion and that took the winds out of its sails.
Too many anime and manga getting cancelled because someone evaded taxes. We should just legalize tax evasion. That’d solve the problem
to be fair its a problem that happens a lot to novel writers and mangakas, specially if they get some popularity. because while they are unpopular they dont need to declare, but out of nowhere they need and dont know/forget/do it poorly.
the worst part about log horizon not getting more content is that the author has actually been writing more of the plot. I think there's like three or more whole unreleased volumes for the light novel at this point. The publishing house is just refusing to put out more volumes at this point.
Yep some future volumes were even temporarily put up for sale, and then removed hours later.
@@HangerHangar I'm never not going to be upset about that
I’ve never heard of that before…why r they refusing to publish it?
@@ma.2089 that's not something I've heard a reason for yet. nobody knew when I heard about it.
Glad you brought up all the focus on the kids, as it really did kill the pacing of the series. But the other problem with them, and the entire group of "newbies" in Log Horizon? All of them were supposedly kids IRL. I can believe MMO players understanding various parts of building a steam ship or a train. What I can't believe is that in an MMO, everyone older than 18 only had characters level 50-90, and only kids younger than 18 had characters level 1-40.
Where were the middle school age kids playing all day, everyday at max level with their 2 meter tall character made of muscle, and conversely the working adult player who only gets a few hours on the weekend so they've only made it to level 20?
Because they just started like was stated and also old game. It was a popular game but wasn't WoW or Final Fantasy 14 levels of popular in the world setting.
Also new expansion. Nevermind your assuming a lot of people who looked like adults were when the big monk dude you see was actually a 15 year old IRL in his avatars body that mixed with his own features.
Your also assuming the kids of the future with current brain rot faster and plenty content to consume have the patience to actually spend the time grinding even when they have EXP pots or.people helping them out and not fucking up their build which by Shiroe's oh admission was possible when he met the twins.
Elder Tale was already 20yrs old at that point, and already had 12 expansions, including the latest one which actually caused(maybe?) the whole isekai thing.
So it would make sense if the veterans were mostly adults in RL, with the noobs being all children. Of course, it would make sense if there were a few characters that were adults in RL, but noobs in game.
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We miss Log Horizon. The 1st season is just so GOATed 😭😭
Thank you for taking about Log Horizon because honestly I almost forgot this existed.
It took me a month after its 3rd season started to air back in 2021, to know that there is actually a 3rd season lmao.
Shame how it became so forgettable
I didn't know the third season existed until I went to force a friend to watch the first two seasons in 2022.
He'd called it an SAO clone, which was an insult I couldn't let stand. Now he calls it the "Star Wars prequels of SAO" or "SAO but political" just to annoy me
@@SuperiorPosterior to counter you should call SAO a cheap harem anime. Because it is.
I remember people complaining about season 3 being rushed when... 2 out of the 3 novels adapted was decently paced. At least in season 1 and 2 standards. The kusty novel was the only rushed one, to the point where the main cast treated it like a recap and only quickly mentioned the other half the novel.
Also.... the fact that season 3 adapted all that was published so far. Sure, maaaaaybe they can probably do a better job with a 24 episode anime if only to properly adapt the krusty novel and whatever else they skiped in seasons 1 and 2 but.. that's asuming getting greenlit for a full 24 episode season was in the cards. We should be happy season 3 even happened considering what happened to the author.
Not to mention that... season 3 did server a perpose. It wraped up and clarified lingering plot threads before the main plot starts kicking in. First arc with the round table followed up a plot thread from season 2, the krusty arc finally established who the main villians are, and ard 3 finally resolves that stupid love triangle that pluaged season 2.
As for the series pacing, i took it as shiro being more as one of the mc, not the mc. LH seems more focused on world building by rotating povs, which is fine in my books, but i can get how that can feel unfocused.
Season 3 also wrapped up the Shiroe/Minori/Akatsuki love triangle.
The first half of every season I'm always like "Thats cool I really like that." The second half. "I hate hate these goddamn kids. Can they fuck off already and get back to shiro or anyone else." I didn't really think of the lack of direction thing untill you said it but your right it really doesn't.
The lack of direction is modern Isekai problem in a nutshell, their MO is basically think up good premise and figure out thing from there and not many are able to figure it out. Like people make fun of shonen story but you can get the gist of narrative goal in a sentence
@HandOn-c40009 I think if we are to talk so broad. All anime has this problem to an extent. Alot endings leave things to be desired.
100% agree. WHY STORY FOCUSED SO MUCH ON THE KIDS? I dont understand the point of that.
1/3 of the screentime after s1e17 is primarily focused on the kids to the end of season 3.
We got: Kids got from jail guild, romantic relationship thoughts for couple episodes, kids do dungeon, multiple times in details too much i would say, murloc invasion, constantly switching POV, half episode about travel preparation, whole travel arc and again focus on kids during Akihabara raid.
While we missed: literally the whole Doctor Stone like progression with builded MODERN SHIP, country sized expanded economy, whole relationship between players and NPCs at ground level, extended relationship between other NPC nations. We didnt get much in terms of main group development, all other guilds also was kinda neglected.
Other player faction retreated for no reason, instead of doing a FUN(for viewers) full fledge war between players. Imagine if third season was about real destruction, and Shiroe faction become splitted in half, and enemies ACTUALLY ATTACKING and supposedly kidnapping people in shadows?
There so much potencial, so many ideas, from crafting gear being better, then actual raid gear(write item description to make an OP item) to create a personal gold reserve, a personal bank and new currency based on gold (i was very surprised no one did that tbh).
Instead we got voting for almost entire season 3 and a stupid filler villain specifically designed for KIDS group and zero resolved mysteries.
Another issue I noticed, with the second season, was a noticeable dip in animation quality compared to the first. It was serviceable, for the most part, but it never impressed; and there were moments where the quality dipped low enough that it distracted from the story being told.
Subbing just cause of Log Horizon, easily one of my top faves. Underrated!
It was my cup of tea, and it pains me that it's not famous enough to be on the mainstream.
The first reasons I could think of as to why LH "failed" is because it's not action-packed and the main character isn't a Kirito clone nor a traditionally overpowered protag.
No it quite literally only failed because of tax evasion legal issues that the author didn't even know he was doing because he was still a young adult at the time of writing this and not knowing how taxes work fully for a company just being a normal guy and working through a publisher who failed to teach him.
This tax evasion also bleed over into the production issues because the author was actually discussing stuff with the director of the anime to how he would like it to go and Japanese being Japanese it got murky when the author ended up in court. See season 2 and even more for season 3 because of bad PR and again, Japanese mindset.
Decided to give this vid a watch since I enjoyed S1 a lot but thought S2 was mid. I kid you not, I had to do a double take when you mentioned a third season being out! I had no idea!
You really hit the nail on the head with how the second season felt pretty directionless. I didn't really dislike the kids hanging out with the main cast (or as their own characters, in general), but they really brought nothing new nor interesting to the table when put on their own. Honestly, had they given the kids something plot-relevant to do, explore or discover, S2 just might have ended up feeling more eventful than it did. Instead, I'm given a bunch of characters I don't know all that well with an uninteresting plot as the main focus, while the characters I grew to love and care about during S1 either played second fiddle to them or just didn't show up at all for the second half of the season.
To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure I actually did finish S2. I THINK I did, but I could be wrong and I definitely haven't cared enough to go back and check. Which is a shame, because I remember really liking S1. This anime had a lot of potential and interesting ideas, but they dropped the ball somehwere along the way; that's always sad to see.
It would not surprise me if the author completely drops the series or gives it a rushed ending and go work on a different project entirely, because this is something that happens with mangaka and LN authors on occasion.
Lack of battle or fight , that's the biggest problem i think
Nope. It's showcases a real situations in MMORPG wherein you gain alliance, talk about stuff and etc. Anime isn't all about fighting. I'm not against those people who are watching anime for fights but Log Horizon is more about its storyline
We going to act like Slime isekai didn't have a bunch of people gassing up the fights and Rimuru being OP as fuck when the majority of the series is actually politics and establishing a country from the humble beginnings as a small village and gathering people to help live a comfortable life?
Nevermind people praised how accurate the experience is for a series about MMO's.
Nope
Honestly, first season that have the least battle was the best one for me
Well many people have different opinion, like Anime isn't about fighting and all, but remember the setting of this anime, MMORPG, dude if you ever play MMORPG like Monster Hunter or something, did your guild battle or hunting once in a month? And the rest is talking about the game? You transported into new world, you can't die, explore it, just like when you get new DLC from your favorite MMO
One of my favorite anime of all time. I still have it as the wallpaper on my computer.
I liked season 1 of Log Horizon so much that I started collecting the novels. It was confusing and disappointing when new volumes finally stopped coming out. I don't think I even heard about a third season of the anime D:
The story isn't fast, but in the novels we get even more character perspectives and that helps sell the world/civilization as part of the plot. This person gets softlocked irl, this summoner has an actual relationship with their contracted "monster," that person observing the results of this isekia-ing isn't responsible for or profiting from the death cult. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the author is suffering from that old webcomic disease. I don't recall the name, but the one where the longer the story runs, the more time they spend on minutia and the more world/characters/plot exist to be expounded upon.
*Sobbing uncontrollably*
The most bittersweet of things are the most unsought for. God I miss Log Horizon.
Log Horizon was a great show, because it had a different take on the stuck in another world story.
The problem I found with it was that it tried to follow too many characters. Like some novels do.
They were all fine characters, but the story should have stayed centered on just a few of them.
Of course I have to a shout out to the abridged parody, by phat dog.
I love Log Horizon so much... but it is true that the story barely advances in the latter seasons. IMO the most damaging thing was the hiatus: I had to rewatch everything just to remember, when the 3rd season arrived.
And not everyone’s willing to sit through season 2.
Hell, watching it for this video took me longer than expected
Log Horizon mentioned, the world really let me be to happy for a moment
man i straight dropped this during the discovery of the resurrection nonsense
Guys it's based on a free to play mmorpg, that's why everything takes so long, cause the cash shop isn't accessable from inside the game.
I liked Log Horizon a lot more than SAO. The whole "If you die in the game, you die in the real world" shtick was just so cringy to me that I turned away from it even though the isekai genre was still relatively new. Plus, the main MC was way too edgy with the middle-school aesthetic of "cool" wearing the long black coat trying to be knockoff Neo that countless other isekai series that came later imitated...it was like seeing kids try and imitate their favorite asshole youtube...I hated it all. Log Horizon on the other hand was them living for real in a world that simply had their video game mechanics, and actually had interesting characters that were a fresh take...so it was a lot better series IMO.
Also, taxation is theft. The author did nothing wrong.
Kirito isn't edgy. The dudes a normal teenager.
Things happening to someone that made them sad or trying to do the literal same thing as Shiroe does about making himself look like the villain happens in the first episode of SAO.
Being sad someone died isn't being edgy.
Hell, people, adults specifically got mad that Log Horizon didn't actually have perma death and said "well there are no stakes now" like idiots because the first interesting thing people complained about.
"Taxation is theft" Says man on the internet, which was developed using tax money.
I watched this anime and liked it, didnt watch all of it though, it was lost and forgotten along with the other 200 tabs i was closing at the time.
I think you already summarized how I felt about the series; especially season 3. The story is going nowhere. The author did world-building just for the sake of world-building and that felt very dragging without any plot progression. Imagine Dungeon Meshi with 24 episodes of them exploring the dungeon and eating and yet haven't found Farin. That would be a snore fest.
MAL is quite generous giving season 3 a solid 7 since it's a 6.5 for me.
Last season was so boring... that election plotline made me drop it
For me, SAO, Overlord and Log Horizon were the trifecta of the VRMMO/Isekai genre that captured my imagination. Really sad to see Log Horizon fade into obscurity like it did.
My biggest issue with season 2 (and that circles back around to the story seeming even afraid to progress t he plot in any meaningful way) is the romance, especially the episode that was a "who gets to be the main love interest" between the ninja chick and a LITERAL FUCKING CHILD! The MC even proved he wasn't totally oblivious to the romantic feelings the Ninja chick had towards him and just wasn't ready to address them yet (weak cop out for a story afraid to do anything) and yet he doesn't feel the need to tell a LITERAL CHILD to stop thirsting after him? Like holy fuck, it would be bad enough as a background gag, but they focused AN ENTIRE FUCKING EPISODE on it! Fuck I'm still mad lol!
The Familiar of Zero :O
To put into perspective how much I hate the kids in this show. I haven't watched it again since release, and I still remember Rundelhaus Code because of how much I dislike him.
I don't remember characters in shows I watched last week.
Early Rudy is annoying, but he does have a character arc where he gets much better. Did you at least watch until Episode 20?
@atoth62 Oh I finished it.
"it was loved by a lot of ANIME fans"
There's your problem, the LN hasn't been continued for god knows what reason there is no content for a new season
*A LOG HORIZON VIDEO IN 2024* !!
*LET’s GOOOOOO* 🗣️
I still say till this day that log horizon is one of the best “Death game” animes we ever got! Better than SAO better than HACK .Sign.
Plus it’s one of the animes were death actually effects them physically. Every death they lose memories and they’ve died so many times before finding this out. Love it so much!
Calling it "death game" is misleading. "Trapped in a video game" is more appropriate.
@ that’s what that genre is called… a death game… just like SAO is “trapped in a video game” but is categorized as “death game” and since they were released around the same time, they are both characterized as such. Hence why I call it a “death game”.
Also losing one’s memories is basically like dying.. you cease to exist, that specific individuality or certain traits that made you *YOU* are gone.. just like death. Since the anime ended on a cliff hanger I have no idea if they reclaim their memories but I can assume losing such, is equivalent to dying.
Sorry for the paragraph but I thought since I wasn’t “Clear” enough before I might as well make it clear now.
*sad database noises*
LOG DEEN \O/
We don't talk about fate, deen night
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Log horizon seasons in nutshell.
1. Revive economy
2. Democratize land owning
3. Keeping the peace
do you know Kekkai Sensen / Blood Blockade Battlefront? i think quite a few people would be interested to know the chances of getting a third season
Log Horizon fans rise up
Good point about LH being a story told in a "too long" manner. and also; them kids, boring.
I got Peak recomendation 🙏
Pretty sure it was the dude getting so much money and not marking it down right getting him in trouble with the law that did it.
By the time Log Horizon came back it had been forever and no one cared.
I dropped the show when they replaced Database with another song for the op
EchoDecoder. Whether this post is worth pinning, is up to you. But it's worth the read.
The "latest" content that was covered in the anime's 3rd season is more of a "Set-up" for bigger things. Bigger things that were slated to be in later Volumes of the Web/Light Novels that were *never* released. As for what happened after season 3 (or Vol. 13 of the Web/Light Novels), I found this on Log Horizon's Animesuki forums *(it's long, but important).*
*Events from the 1st half of Vol. 14 of the Web/Light Novels:*
- Shiroe, Akatsuki and Regan head to Minami.
- Minami is currently in civil war between Nureha’s faction and the noble faction which Indictus is part of.
- Roe2 finally meets Shiroe in Minami for the first time.
- Shiroe has a meeting with Plant Hwyden.
- Nureha and PH agreed to form an alliance to deal with the Genuses. But they need resolve the civil war in order to follow through.
- Indictus is revealed to be influenced by a Genus. Shiroe actually thought of this theory.
- Shiroe predicted the Genuses are using the civil war to gain Empathinum. He relays the info Roe2 gave him in the letter to PH.
- Shiroe propose to meet with Indictus to peacefully subside the civil war. Some in PH thinks it’s a bad idea given that Indictus hates Shiroe the most but decide to let him go through with it.
- Nureha’s faction is basically the majority of PH, while very few sided with Indictus and the nobles. FYI, all of the PofL in PH sided with Nureha out of dislike towards Indictus.
- Krusty and Kanami’s party got to the Yamato server and are heading to Minami to meet up with Shiroe (they found out Shiroe is there somehow)
- Shiroe tells Roe2 that he plans on going to the moon to face the Genuses directly.
- Nureha wants to sit in with Shiroe’s meeting with Indictus, but he tells her the guild needs her more because of the noble faction.
- Shiroe and Akatsuki heads to a room to meet with Indictus.
- With Akatsuki guarding the door, Shiroe’s meeting with Indictus is about the start.
And that's where the whole series stopped. As I said, what the anime's 3rd season covered was more a "set-up" to bigger things later in the series.
Although, there was the _Re:Fraction_ real-life Gallery event in 2018. Showing preview images of *Vol. 12-16* of the Web/Light Novels. Notable images from that event featured Krusty & Kanami's party fighting _Sasubo the Genus of Voyages_ in Vol. 15. And Shiroe & Roe2 meeting in Log Horizon's guild hall to exchange information in Vol. 16.
If you wanted Story progression, there it is. And all of that was *never officially* released.
Yeah, I love SAO, coz I read the LN during Haruhi boom (before the anime boom) but SAO is like a personal saga. Which is 'easy' for the reader to follow just like classic fairy tales.
But LH is different, the story definitely made for more mature audience, the complexity of the plot is it's charm. But yeah, the pacing kinda slow, and I agree about the focus kinda split everywhere, between the kids and their ol guild leader arc too (Nanami? I kinda forget).
I think the ideal one is closer to Code Geass for this kind of story.
I dig the slow pacing (One Piece fan here), but it’s always busy on doing stuff that dont matter that much
Well also SAO was one volume for the main story and then the next volume was side content inside that main story and it branched out from there.
S1 was a solid 9/10,
S2 first half (Up until end of gold of the Kunie arc) wasn't too far behind that, second half was terrible.
S3 was basically what happens if you average S2 but spread it out. Nowhere near as bad as second half of S2, but also not close to how good S1 or first half S2 were.
its the same with world trigger. Insane potential, only to fall off.
@@notyouraverageguy2265 World Trigger, now that’s an anime I’ve never heard for a long time
???
did it fall off in the manga?
4:29 isekai batman
Log Gorizon was so good
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Speaking of Log Horizon, have you read Maou Yuusha? Yeah read, not watch, there is only 1 season of anime but kinda forgotten/unknown, but the manga/novel is finished. It's another great series from the same author.
The setting is a standard human world vs demon world, but the twist is the demon king convinced the hero how the war is for better for both sides, since for the human side the countries with poor lands are on the frontline of the war and without help from richer country that's concerned for their safety, more will actually perish from starvation. For the demon side, the war keep them united, since they are all racially diverse. The demon king(the brain) works together with the hero(the brawn) to improve the situation on both lands, politically and economically, before they try to reach a peace agreement.
All the side characters are also great, since we can actually see how the world is actually improving by how all of the people the MCs(both MC) met/saved/taught will actually make an impact in some way. They aren't MCs' orbiters either(unlike most of the stories like this), they are actually walking their own path.
@@Aru_im I remembered watching it when i was a kid. I forgot what happened but I can rememeber finding the female knight hot lol
@EchoDecoder another fun thing about this is all the characters are actually called by their jobs. As their job changes, so does their name.
Female Knight? They must be talking about *the* female knight.
Crimson Scholar? Certainly there is a character that is red themed and kinda scholarly.
It sure feels nice not having to hear some random name and looks back to know whose name it belongs to.
It had a 3rd season?!
Yes, this. S2 and S3 just felt like a lot of nothing. When S1 finished there has been a decent amount of plot progression and world discovering and integration.
Recently i watched SAO for the first time and sadly have to say it is better than LH. There are a lot of cliches, but at least it seemed like the world was moving somewhere. Exploring new floors, trying to find the reason behind why they weren't able to log out, some of them even found jobs to do. S2 was somewhat of a repeat with more exposure and who was behind all this. Alicization was the weakest one for me, as it somehow just rehashed S1 and starting from zero, until the end when there were BS powerups everywhere. At least it had some kind of conclusion with the main antagonists and development with AI.
Similar can be said about Mushoku Tensei. You don't have to like Rudy, but you cant deny there is a lot of worldbuilding, character development and the plot somewhat moving forward.
The Slime anime is also another comparison, though considering how the talking was in the forefront in the latest season it fell off for many.
So LH is taking its sweet time to do nothing and focusing on the wrong people. There is a reason why there is an MC.
I loved the first two seasosn and have watched them like 6 times, but with the last one it really felt like let down in every way, the krusty line was way too long, we already knew he was taveling with Kanami, so spending more tan two chapters on him was a waste, and then getting an arc for the kids traveling with two anoying npcs was horendous, I really wanted to know what Nureha was plannin and finally have a player v player conflict.
was great but felt of hard like that gamble bet anime forgot its name
I rewatched to season 3 the other week and I felt the narrative started to take a turn for the worst halfway through season 2. So by time I reached season 3 I wasn't as interested, plus they replaced Souji's VA >:C
actually good SAO before SF
I watched the first season and I never watched any of the rest because frankly I never heard it came out 😂
The ending of season one showed season two was being developed...
mmmm, Log horizon was the kind of show I thought I would like but it is was just WAAAAAAAYYYYYY tooo slowly paced, has absolutely no direction. Also the kids were clearly supposed to show the experience of early to mid level players, (pre wow mmos it usually took years to get to max levels as opposed to the 2 weeks - 3 months it takes now a days), but even they lacked a clear direction or goal.
It too early for it own good
No, too late.
Even more so anime like this can't work now because too much need for stimuli.
The slow burn just doesn't work nowadays because of TikTok brain rot and lowering kids patience.
SAO is crap, Log Horizon is the best. It is too bad they black listed the creater for tax evasion. But they wont the only one to do so and they other storyies still get to continue.
It seems the author can't direct how to finish the story.
Because tax evasion.
All isekai is wish fulfillment. Most isekai anime are power or sexual fantasies. The author of log horizon's deepest wish was tax evasion, that's why they spend 6 episodes setting up fantasy tax offices. (love the show though)
Big sad
its not so much lack of popularity as it is the author getting pinched for taxes or soemthing
"what happened?" they focused on the boring parts. idgaf about the kids, give me politics!
At the end of the day, Log Horizon was actually mid. That's why it failed.
Mind you, this is not an insult to people who liked LH. I'm sure I'll get enough hate regardless though.
This may upset people, but realistically, the majority of the people who cling to LH were anti-SAO obsessers. They desperately wanted to find the SAO killer because they irrationally hated SAO.
By irrationally, I mean they acted like the fact SAO existed, it invalidated their existence or something.
I never liked LH. It was a series that spent entirely too much time trying to world build, and it was realistically boring and didn't so much. It wanted the world building to be the primary thing it did to separate itself from other anime, and it was it's downfall.
When I ran into the very rare LH, I'd ask what drew them into LH, I'd never really get an answer outside of "It's better then SAO" and people would refuse to give better answers.
I liked it because it has a protagonist that's actually fairly similar to mine.
Not gonna lie, I found it really boing, well made but boring.
Recently watched Log Horizon, honestly, it's boring and bad.
Ya boy Kong ming is better in every single way.
It was the same thing.
NGNL lost to history...
Their fans are starving 😭🙏
I have always hated Akatsuki the most in the series as she ruined the pacing as chewing on a shard of glass on your pizza. She was everything I hated with her constant beating up of the Tank due to his ecchi tendencies, it annoyed me to no end, plus the other females were more pleasing than her. I did not hear of S3 till recently, but I plan to watch(god willing) it after I clear my backlog of other stories I am following.
This just in, the government killed the ultimate isekai, just because of the only truly victimless crime. Kek.
I heard of that watch the first episode quit halfway it was very boring