A true peace maker within Christianity. His great learning has driven him sane. I have grown to love this guy over the past year, one of the best shows on utube. What a big heart and a brilliant mind, wonderful combination. I will venture to say I believe he is quickly becoming one of the most important voices of our time. God bless you Dr McDowell.
Speaking as an atheist I find him one of the more honest apologists. I watched him with Paulogia discussing the martyrdom of the apostles. He didnt change my mind about religion but I couldnt help but admire his openess and ability to admit he does not have all the answers. If more apologists were like him, I am not saying there would be more conversions but certainly a better quality of discussion.
@@kevinkelly2162 May the good LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL. see godly principles work whether you believe in GOD or not but if you are and atheist what are you basing morality on ???? You really don’t have to have. Any. My heart goes out to. On believers they have NO HOPE FOR ETERNITY and that’s a very very long time
James White wrote a great piece on escapism vs enduritism. I am convinced that’s the most significant issue. I tired of the Left Behind series and Hal Lindsay years ago. I know that I know He is returning. But I will likely see Him via my natural death rather than the rapture.
So informative, and thought provoking! Thank you for making it a point to find common ground, and bringing a call to action for believers everywhere to search the truth themselves. Great as always Sean!
I enjoyed this presentation. I especially like how he emphasized the need for personal thought, understanding and seeking. Then to be humble and loving.
Absolutely love the way you position the truth on controversial subjects. If only we could think more about how to win those for the Kingdom rather than getting our point across or being correct. Keep doing what you are doing!!! Be encouraged that you are encouraging us to think biblically but position it lovingly and it is making an impact! Thank you
This is why The Catalysm of the Kingdom of Heaven (Amazon) was written - because the body of Christ must be united in an essential creed. Enough of the fighting - go live as God called us. It's all laid out. Go read the creed!
This is soooo good! Thank you Sean for laying it out so clearly, so kindly. I pray that the Lord gives me His heart to love and understand in place of the need to be "right" in the name of the truth. It's all about love. This is so convicting and encouraging at the same time. Thank you!
Good job, Sean. Summarizing each of the different views. For decades, I likewise held a particular view. I still do, but not as dogmatically. About a decade ago, two references changed my mind about being dogmatic about this. In Daniel 12:8-9, Daniel was confused about the future prophecy. The Lord did not explain it to him, he told Daniel it is for the future people to understand. When Jesus arrived the first time, he put the prophecies together so that none of his era's best scholars could figure it out. They were all wrong. The Lord used angels to announce the Messiah’s arrival, not prophecy scholars.
What happens when the first resurrection occurs? What about people living on earth; will they still be alive, or will they be judged? The Bible says that for 1000 years, the devil is locked away, so what happens to unbelievers who live during that time period on Earth?
🙌🙌🙌!!! Dr. Sean McDowell you need to make the first 5:38 minutes into a short clip I would love to just share that point with brothers and sisters in my group!!!!❤✝️♥️ Amen my brother!!!
My wife would agree with you on that it is not an salvation issue. However, when a view states that man dictates and God simply has to alter His plans, that does become a herecy (). Also, of all three views, only two had issues with scripture, where as only the one issue was how they interpret scripture. Make you think 🤔. I believe, as soon as one has to move scripture to make some doctrine work, it has to be wrong. Also, it has to comply with all Scripture, not just some or an idea or concept. We should experience the Word of God like children, not like an highly educated person, for it is simply, especially, when one is being led by the Holy Spirit. Thank you again for your great contributions to our amazing faith.
My friend who has completed seminary says that this millennial issue comes up a lot in interviews and can be an instant deal breaker. I don't get it. I have some feelings on the millennial kingdom, but I'm not married to a single view. I can be more easily triggered on some of the other issues he brought up, but I just can't find any reason to think my view of eschatology has to be correct. And I feel the same about the creation story and most of Genesis prior to Abraham. My faith is centered on an empty tomb in Jerusalem, and not on a specific timeline for creation or tribulation.
Most discussions on this topic do not provide a history of this topic. What did the Traditional early Church fathers believe? How did the debatable agnostic leader Origen change many beliefs over to his allegorical approach to interpretation? Or, that the commonly held pre-trib view did not exist until the 1800s with its relatively recent postulation of dispensationalism. Diagrams on eschatological discussions also do not specifically address in their prophetical time lines the major prophetic event of Yeshua Ben David and what these O/T prophecies teach about it. Addressing these scriptures would clarify the end times teaching. As you suggested, humility here must be a starting point. I find most teachings are from a very Gentile Church bias. Paul provides the Church with Romans chapter 11 to try and overcome this mindset. In 2Thess 2:3 Jesus teaches that before the great tribulation the Gentile Church will experience a great falling away from the faith - this is not a rapture. Ask yourself what is the state of Christianity today in Europe and North America? How is church attendance trending? From a world perspective, this is what leads us into judgement, the great tribulation. The outcome of which is the fulfillment of the restoration of Israel, the millennial kingdom Isaiah 11, Amos 9:11, etc. I think if the facts are presented as clearly as possible, with the full weight of scripture, people can then better understand the plain reading of scripture. In the end, as a Christian we are not called to love those who believe or act like we think they should. We are called to turn the other cheek. this is our test of knowing the depth of Christ's forgiveness. For while WE were yet sinners... And who knows, maybe through the outcome of a respectful exchange we may also come to learn something we ourselves didn't see before too. One thing is true, we are always stronger when we stand together in the unity of God's love. 1Cor 13:13 (Charity trumps faith).
Beautiful message, thank you. Think you should add a subtitle referring to your message on unity as, at least for me, that was every bit as important 🙂
Millennial views are only a part of different interpretations, there's pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib compounded further by preterist, historicist, futurist, idealist, & eclectic.
Have to separate Historic Premillennial and Dispensational Premillennial. They are quite different except for the timing of the millennium. This historic part and dispensational part describes a difference in futuristic, literalistic view and a historical view.
I love this message!! I find that people tend to be so very emotionally attached to their view they aren’t willing to listen to anything outside of it. It’s important to know why you believe things with facts and logic. Then you can have something more to stand on other than emotion. You are much more likely to have a civil conversation about opposing views when facts and logic are involved and not just emotion
There is only one way to treat each other on the issues get together as brothers and sisters and take the issues to God, listen and follow what God says regardless if you like the answer God gave or not
A talk that needs to be considered by all viewpoints. I agree with one view but cannot find one thing that it creates unity in the body that makes it worth drawing a line in the sand over.
Part 1/2 So the first error Sean makes is calling Eschatology a "secondary issue". If you believe in Jesus and place your trust in Him to save you, then you are saved. So for you this might be a secondary issue now, but Jesus and Paul never saw this as a "secondary issue" John 13:19 19 "Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am." 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,..." Both Jesus and Paul in regard to the salvation of non-believers and evangelism, both pointed to Bible prophecy. That what has been written in Scripture will come to pass as it's written so that non-believers may see and come to believe Jesus is the I AM. Throughout Scripture, God shows He is THE I AM by proclaiming the future in advance so that those who see His predictions come to pass will turn to Him and worship Him. The way the Jews knew Jesus was the Messiah is because He fulfilled over 100 prophecies literally as they were written in the OT. The second issue I have on this topic is assuming this topic has multiple options. There may have been many false Messiah's before Jesus, certainly, there were after Jesus, but there is ONLY 1 True Messiah. Eschatology as a part of Bible prophecy is about reality unfolding just as the LORD has foretold. Reality only unfolds 1 way. If there is only 1 correct way then every other way is false. Now we can choose to believe in false doctrines the Church is full of them, that's how we have hundreds of denominations who all think they have the correct doctrine. But here's the difference between Eschatology and any other doctrine, it's at the very center of the Heart of God. Eschatology, the 2nd Coming or end-times however you want to label it encompasses over 1/3 of Scripture. It runs from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. It is the culmination of all of Scripture. Every doctrine and understanding we have interacts with this topic whether we see it or not. Sean proposes that we behave cordially when disagreeing on issues like this and of course, I'm not going to tear someone down over this. But, this was Jesus's response to the Pharisees in the first century who claimed to follow God, who spent enormous time studying and waiting for the Messiah and yet had no clue the time He would come. Matthew 16:1-4 Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed." Now we are talking about the 2nd Coming and how many Christians who claim to follow Jesus, are in the dark about His 2nd Coming? I have been studying and teaching on this topic for 3 decades and unless someone has a really whacked-out view I have probably heard most questions. My first piece of advice is to forget the terms Premill, Postmill, Amill, Preterism, Pre-trib, Post-trib, Rapture, etc. All of these have assumptions attached to them that are wrong to some degree or another. I try to teach as if someone has no idea about the topic and so we have to do a brain wipe. There are 3 passages and 1 breakdown that I am going to go through and after these 4 points we should have a pretty good picture of what we're looking at. If you start in Revelation to try to understand this topic, you're done. Revelation is the last book of the Bible for a reason, you better have a really good handle on the rest of the 65 books that precede it. This topic ends in Revelation, it doesn't begin there. Daniel 9:24-26 Here Daniel is praying and the Angel Gabriel comes to Daniel with a prophecy of promise from the Throne. (21b) Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:..." “Seventy weeks are determined For your people (Daniel's people are the Jews) and for your holy city, (Jerusalem) To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, (there is ONLY 1 way these things can be accomplished and that is through belief in Jesus for salvation.) To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy." So the prophecy is that after 70 weeks Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem will believe in Jesus as their Savior and when it happens the prophecy will be fulfilled and they will anoint Him as the Most Holy. We see this confirmed in Romans 11:25-27 25 For I do not desire, brethren (Christians), that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” Yes, one day Jews and Gentiles will be together with the LORD but there is a plan and a path that needs to unfold. The prophecy in Daniel 9 is part of that. Another is Ezekiel 37:21-23 21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God." The question with Bible prophecy is always "has this happened yet?" Israel has never been a united kingdom and we see that today. If God says "they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again." Then He means there will come a day when Israel will be 1 united kingdom forever. This hasn't happened yet, so anyone who says God is done with Israel and the Jewish people needs to study the Bible more. So we've been able to determine already that God is not finished with the Jewish people and Israel. That one day they will come to faith in Jesus and be saved and when they do they will anoint Him as the Most Holy. Since none of these things have happened yet the 70 weeks are not complete. So let's get back to Daniel 9:25-26a “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem (Event #1) Until Messiah the Prince, (Event #2) There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; (7+62=69 weeks (not 70) a specific period of time) The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. (Jerusalem will be rebuilt during troublesome times) 26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall [j]be cut off, (suffer the death penalty)but not for Himself;..." (Continued in Part 2)
Sean, whom I greatly respect, says a very revealing thing around 23 minutes. “[The Millennium] is nowhere else explicitly mentioned in Scripture”. This is apart from Revelation 20 of course. Now isn’t that interesting? But that is the revealing point as to why most Christian apologists or theologians cannot actually say anything meaningful about the Millennium. They have a church-based eschatology that is heavily supersessionist. The numerous prophetic passages in the Tanach are completely ignored. The Bible, when taken as a whole, is filled with the Millennium. As an example, how about: Isaiah 2:2-4 In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
I'm surprised Isaiah 24: 20-23 doesn't come up more often in these conversations given that it is pretty clear John is alluding to it in his description of the millennium. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again. 21 It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones, And on the earth the kings of the earth. 22 They will be gathered together, As prisoners are gathered in the pit, And will be shut up in the prison; After many days they will be punished. 23 Then the moon will be disgraced And the sun ashamed; For the Lord of hosts will reign On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem And before His elders, gloriously. So the earth is ruined, God's heavenly and earthly enemies are shut up in the pit, after a long (but unspecified in this passage) length of time they are punished, and then we see the sun and moon ashamed because God himself reigns. This follows precisely the sequence of events we find in Revelation 19 and 20.
Amen brother I also made some comments that's a very definitive time very clear all through the Bible but yes he did say not clearly but once you realize exactly by The book of Revelation then you see it everywhere that's the promises made to Israel as a matter of fact would you just talked about the kingdom of heaven is on Earth
that is all the more reason we should demand biblical chronology just ask the Jewish nation what year it is. It surely is not millions and billions of years old!!!!!! it is mere thousands of years old
If one is an atheist, I guess. But you can still be a Christian and believe what the evidence of the fossil record suggests. Basically theistic evolution. I know young earth creationists cringe from this position, but this isn't a salvation issue as Sean rightfully pointed out.
@@ArtbyAP you're a nut, the evidence that we follow is in the text. God's word is sure. Just follow the text. YOU can not get millions and billions out of the biblical text. Just ask any Jew what year it is on their calendar. You are not following the bible you are following pseudo science.
I really like Sean! The only 2 things that bug me are he never mentioned that a huge part of the reason alot of people are post mill is because Christ said in Matthew 16:28 "And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”. Either Christ was wrong or that has already taken place, there isn't another way to interpret Him stating some will not die. The other issue I have is that when God says the earth was created in 6 days and he rested on the 7th, it is for a reason. He is giving us the blueprint for our week. God could have created everything in a single moment, if he had desired to do so, but he did not and it was for a purpose. There isn't wiggle room there. God is not human and is unrestricted by time or physics. He created Adam as a grown man and did the same with the appearance of the earth. We shouldn't play with / avoid scripture and God's words to make it sound more appealing to unbelievers. That being said, I really do like Sean and his dad. I think they're both saved and true Christians.
@@captaineveryman6589 I've never heard this view before. I've always thought that it was verified by Stephen when he was being stoned and said he saw the heavens open and Christ seated at the right hand of the Father. The transfiguration was so close after his saying this, that it wouldn't even make sense to word it that way. Like "some of you will still be alive in a few days/weeks at my transfiguration, even though it's only going to be a few of my closest disciples with me", I think that's a bit of a stretch to say the least.
@ChristianRebel well what does the Bible say? 6 days or millions of years? I agree that we should be careful and not try to make the Bible say something it doesn't. The only reason scientists push for the millions of years view is because they need it for evolution, and the whole point of evolution is to get rid of God. Satan is always behind it when something contradicts God's word.
@@brockmerchant3663 of course, your view is also an interpretation. I see Stephen's vision as completely unrelated to this. Also, I think the fact the Transfiguration happened soon after Christ said it, points to it being what he was referring to.
@@captaineveryman6589 I'm not saying it's impossible. My mind isn't made up, although, post mill view does have a much better explanation of Revelation verse by verse and matching the prophecies to historical events in that time. I'm just saying that it wouldn't make sense for Jesus to tell a group of people "some of you will not even taste death before these things come to pass! Next week..." lol
I don't recall that he mentioned the Tribulation at all, just the Millennium. There's no "mid-mill" position that I'm aware of. Anyway, all of those views of the Rapture and Tribulation are premill. When he mentions the idea that premillennialism involves more than one Second Coming, that criticism only applies to pretrib and midtrib, and to a much lesser extent Pre-Wrath. It doesn't apply at all to posttrib. Still, for most people, premill = pretrib.
Here is one argument against amill and postmill: In Revelation 20, the devil is bound and he is sealed up into the Abyss, correct? The amill claims that the devil while bound and in the abyss is STILL active on the earth. However, the book of Revelation and the gospel of Luke seem to suggest that being shut up in the Abyss prevents activity on the earth, the language is so strong. example: Luke 8:39 And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. (Context: The "Legion" multiple demons are begging Jesus not to send them to the Abyss, but instead want to go to the pigs, which seems to me, if Jesus were to send them to the Abyss they wouldn't be able to run around here on earth!) Revelation 9 is another one, where an angel opens up the Abyss and out of it come these demonic scorpion like creatures who torment people, again, they only are able to do that when they are out of the abyss. Another argument against amill and postmill is the fact that the Beast and false prophet get their power FROM the dragon (satan), who allegedly is bound and in the abyss? Revelation 19 the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, which appears to be the second coming, satan is not mentioned in the chapter at all, but in the very next chapter, 20, the devil is bound for a thousand years, after which he is let loose for a little season and then thrown into the lake of fire...... where the beast and the false prophet ARE. Why are the beast and the false prophet there already? Because they were thrown in there at the second coming in Revelation 19. Anyone following me here?
Revelation isn't sequential (each chapter following the last). It describes the history of earth, and the culmination ot it (Christ's Return) from seven different perspectives as seen by John.
Hi ! Satan was bound so that he couldn't deceive the Nations until after the thousand years are completed (Rev 20:3) So the amill perspective is that during this time, people will still be deceived, immoral and evil but Satan will be limited in how much he can deceive the nations as a whole. This is a critical time that God provided to allow the Gospel message to be spread to all the nations and there is clear evidence of this by the growth of Christianity around the world... despite persecutions and martyrdom. At the end of the thousand years (symbolically meant as a long time... almost 2000 years), God will allow Satan to be loosed where he will once again deceive entire Nations. If interested, check out Steve Gregg's Revelation 20 study for details. It's pretty brilliant (in my opinion). Happy studies and God bless you. :-)
Mr McDonald did not present you with all of the views only three. I am pan millennial and pro millennial. It will all pan out in the end and I am all for it. That view was originally shared with me by an orthodox Jew who became a Christian whom I met at University.
The main thing is that we keep the "main thing" the main thing. So what is the "main thing"? Is Jesus the "main thing", or is our relationship to Jesus the "main thing"? Jesus is the main thing in Christianity, for without Him there would be no salvation in Christianity, yet for us our relationship to Jesus is the "main thing" because if we do not have a relationship to and with Jesus we will hear the most terrifying words ever uttered by Jesus: "I never knew you". Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Interesting note on the speaker's analysis on avengers. (I love the spirit in which he approaches potentially explosive topics, btw!) He says Loki plays the Satan figure in the marvel universe, but, in the Thor movie, Thor is the Satan figure: he disobeys his father who is king, is cast out of "heaven" to earth for bringing war to heaven, etc. Loki, on the other hand, is referred to as "rock of ages" in the avengers, reminds the people in one scene that they were created for worship, touches people's hearts (with his staff) and they gladly do his will, is working to bring beings from another dimension to put an end to earth as we know it. Who is Loki designed to represent in the marvel universe? 🤔
Just to finish my point above: if we watch movies that have us cheering for the character that represents Satan while hoping for the downfall of the character that has characteristics of Jesus, is that good for a Christian? Food for thought. God bless!
Thor: Good Standing, Fallen, Redeemed Loki: Good Standing, Fallen, Jailed, Released, Redeemed Their multi-movie story is both one of redemption, but viewed as individual movies, Thor is always redeemed, but Loki isn’t redeemed in the Avengers movie. Thor is more of a prodigal son type figure and Loki is more of a Satan figure.
@@ethanhahn6043 I can see your point and I wouldn't make it an issue of salvation by any means, but, if we make a plain, point for point comparison, I believe the original argument simply holds more weight. Thor's father, who plays the God-figure, actually says, "I cast you out", which is a direct correlation to Revelation 12:7-9 and Isaiah 14:12-14. Immediately after this Thor "falls" to earth. Loki is never cast out, but rather comes to earth to initiate "the end" of human civilization as we know it with a legion of beings from another dimension. As I stated before, he is referred to as "Rock of Ages" which is a name directly and solely related to Jesus. There are other parallels which are easily seen with a little comparison to the Biblical account. While thor is portrayed as the hero, he correlates more with satan than Jesus. As stated above, I wouldn't argue over this or make it an issue of salvation, but would rather just encourage us as followers of Jesus to consider what we use to entertain ourselves (Phil. 4:8; Psalm 101:3; Rom. 1:28-32). AKA, seeking things that please Him rather than myself. We are told to put ourselves in a position where our thoughts can be in line with the mind of Christ (Phil. 2:5-11), but I have personally found it difficult to do so while enjoying movies that exalt characteristics that are opposed to His character. Just a thought. Have a blessed day.
@@abedetesfa5158 I agree that Thor correlates more with Satan than Jesus in the same sense that we all correlate more with Satan than Jesus. In the movie, Tony was mocking Loki when he said “What? Rock of Ages giving up so easily?” so it’s difficult to accuse Marvel of exalting bad characteristics. I don’t think Marvel is prescribing morality that’s contrary to what scripture teaches as much as they are appealing to the morality that scripture teaches. That’s how they’re making money - they’re tapping into the law of morality God wrote on our hearts. Of course there are lies in the story, but the grand theme of redemption is being told and retold and it doesn’t get old
@@ethanhahn6043 I truly appreciate your thoughtful responses and I would like to repeat that I don't necessarily consider this an issue of salvation. That being said, there were two statements you made to which I would like to respond at this time. 1) I agree with what you said about us correlating more with satan than Jesus in our carnal state (as Paul said that the carnal heart is enmity against God). However, I don't believe that God is content with us remaining in this state and I don't think we should be content with it either (Titus 2:11-12; 1 Thess. 4:3; John 3:16-17; etc.). If my goal is to die to self daily and resemble Jesus more and more, then I believe I should strive to put away anything that could possibly lead me to exalt characteristics that are un-Christlike. For example, if the hero of any given movie (Marvel or otherwise) is angry, violent, dishonest, prideful, into the occult/witchcraft, and the audience is encouraged to identify with this protagonist as the "good guy", then, psychologically, the viewer to some degree comes to accept the un-Christlike traits as permissible or acceptable in light of the "greater good" the hero is trying to achieve. 2) I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated that Marvel is "tapping into the law of morality God wrote on our hearts." My question would be: How are they (or any other such storytellers) interpreting this law for us? For example, if God says that witchcraft is a deadly evil which should be avoided at any cost, but a movie portrays a witch/wizard/warlock as a hero or even humanity's only hope of survival, they have effectively rewritten the "law of morality" for us. They have effectively said, "Even though God has said this or that thing is evil, it is not inherently evil. In fact, you can even do good with it. It is your choice that makes it good or evil." Such thinking puts us in the place of God, deciding for ourselves what is good and what is evil rather than trusting what He has said. This is basically what happened with Eve in Genesis 3. Many argue (erroneously) that the things we watch and listen to have no effect on us, but this simply does not hold up to the evidence. Without going into all the science surrounding mirror neurons, the lymbic system, etc., we can look at plain-to-see examples in everyday life. When the Bourne Identity was released, it preceded a spike in the sales of Mini Coopers. Same with Transformers and the sale of Camaros. The fact is, these multi-million dollar companies didn't make money by wasting money on "useless" advertising. They spend the money because they know it influences our thinking and decisions. In short, the enemy is subtle; Jesus warns of this throughout the Bible. It is hard to maintain pure thoughts when impure suggestions are part of what we watch and listen to on a daily basis. Phil. 4:8 encourages us to keep true, holy and pure things on our minds. It sometimes seems like God is asking a lot from us, but the fact is, if we love Him, what is too much to give? (John 14:15) He gave all for us...
John 3.3, 33-34- You Must Be BORN AGAIN! Period! & sealed w/ the HOLY SPIRIT! If not then you are in hell. I was confirmed membership in Methodist church age 9. No one told me I had to be BORN AGAIN. Age 31 in hotel room cried out to the LORD & was saved by HIS Grace ALONE! (Eph 2.8-9)-
Part 2/2 So from history do we know Event #1 That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem happened? Nehemiah 2:1-6. The decree went out. Nehemiah 2:1 "And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes,..." This was Nisan 445/444 BC. Now no Christian or Jew has ever believed that the Messiah came 69 weeks later in 444/443BC. So what does the 69 weeks mean? There are a few helpful clues the Common Jewish Bible says 25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years],..." Numbers 14:32 But as for you, your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness. 33 And your sons shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years, and bear the brunt of your infidelity, until your carcasses are consumed in the wilderness. 34 According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection. Ezekiel 4:3 Moreover take for yourself an iron plate, and set it as an iron wall between you and the city. Set your face against it, and it shall be besieged, and you shall lay siege against it. This will be a sign to the house of Israel. 4 “Lie also on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it. According to the number of the days that you lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days; so you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when you have completed them, lie again on your right side; then you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days. I have laid on you a day for each year." In Exodus 20 we see work 6 days rest 1, Exodus 23 work the land 6 years rest 1. So what if 1 day is 1 year and 1 week is 7 years and 69 weeks is 483 years? Event #1 "the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem" Nisan 445/444 BC. But we know Daniel and the Jewish people wouldn't have used a Gregorian 365.25-day calendar. They don't even do that today. Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened." 2nd Month 17th Day. Genesis 8: 3 And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days (150 days)the waters decreased. 4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat." 7th Month, 17th Day. (5 months later =150 days means each month is 30 days) So let's assume Daniel would have used a 360-day biblical calendar. 1 day = 1 year. 483 days (69 weeks) = 483 years of 360-day years. Now all the Jews had to do is convert the date on their calendar of the year for Event #1 and add 483 years (based on a 360 day calendar to see when Messiah the Prince suffered the death penalty but not for Himself. We have to do some conversions. 483 years x 360 days per year is 476.0575 years. 445/444 BC- 1 BC =444 years. 1 AD +32.0575 years = 32/33 AD. Nehemiah said Nisan (assuming Nisan 1) + 0575 which is 21 days Jesus would have fulfilled the Passover prophecy at the end of Passover Nisan 22, 32/33 AD. What this tells us is that the 70th week the 1 week left in the prophecy is exactly 2,520 days or 7 Hebrew years. Interesting that 1 the Jews haven't received Jesus as their savior so the 70th week hasn't happened yet. Then in Revelation 11:3 it says 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” (1,260 days is exactly half of 2,520 days or 3.5 Hebrew years) We see in verses 5-6 these 2 witnesses are invincible. (It's interesting that the LORD in Genesis 18 is accompanied by 2 divine beings, that looked like men but Genesis 19:1 says were angels. We see 2 "men" at the transfiguration, the resurrection, and the ascension in Acts 1) and in Revelation 11 we see two invincible witnesses in verse 7 it says 7 When they (2 witnesses) finish their testimony, (1,260 days) the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them." Rev 13:1 the beast rises and in verses 4-7 it says 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation." 42 months is 3.5 years. 1,260 days (3.5 years) these 2 invincible witnesses preach then this "beast" rises and kills them and then Satan the Dragon which is in Daniel 7-8 gives authority to the beast to kill the saints, and blaspheme God and His Temple which is in Rev 11:1-2 being rebuilt for 42 months which is another 3.5 years. Totaling 7 years or the 70th week of Daniel. Here's another piece of FYI for you. The early church fathers wrote about this topic a lot. Here's what they wrote. Does it mean they were right? No but it looks interesting in light of what we know today. Barnabas, AD First Century “Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9 Commodianus, AD 240 “We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80 Victorinus, AD 240 “Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3 Methodius, AD 290 “In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1 Knowing the days of the years in Genesis 7-8. We see the genealogies from Adam to Jesus not as 4004 Gregorian years but based on a 360-day calendar. From Adam to Jesus was about 3,946 years and from Jesus to today is 2023 = 5,969 years. 0-1000 years = Day 1, 1000-2000 years = Day 2, 2000-3000 years is Day 3, 3000-4000 years is Day 4, 4000-5000 years = Day 5, 5000-6000 years = Day 6. After 6 days or 6000 years are complete the day of rest or 1000-year reign of Jesus begins. At least that's what the early Church fathers believed. Hope this helps. Take care.
Dear Dr. McDowell, I wish so ever much I could have a discussion with you about this explosive chapter. I have an interesting theory that I would like to share with you. Let me know if it is possible for us to connect at some point in the near future. I have written an entire book on these issues and it includes 40 years of my own personal research. God bless.
@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46 Abraham God's Friend Jesus the Christ goats sheep Matthew 6:20-21. (20. But lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven...(21. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. God bless you!!!
Eschatology is a challenge. It’s crucial that we pray for the Holy Spirit to help us understand every time we study it. Also, every word and phrase of context about a subject must be considered, as well as all of the intertextuality. Lexicons, word studies, and concordances help too. My favorite Bible with Biblical resources is the NASB lexicon and I parallel that with other popular transitions. My question for all of us is: How can we read ALL of the context of the millennial reign and interpret that as post-mil or a-mil? It can only be pre-mil regardless of what we want to believe about the millennium and regardless of what we believe about other Biblical ideas that cause us to accept post-mil or a-mil. It has to be pre-mil. Although we still have free will to accept other views.
Where do you think the non believers come from at the end of the millennium? They get destroyed when Christ returns. How can the kingdom of God be physical when Christ taught that the kingdom of God has come upon us and cannot be observed? When Christ returns death is swallowed up in victory, and death is the last enemy to be defeated. If death is defeated at Christs return, how is death the last enemy to be defeated if more enemy’s pop up over the next 1000 years after deaths defeat?
@@joshjay6765 The Bible is clear that there will be non-Christian survivors after Jesus returns and after Gods wrath. The descendants of those people, after the millennial reign of Christ, will be the ones that Satan deceives and are destroyed as they surround Jerusalem.
@@joshjay6765 There are many who will be destroyed at the return of Christ however there will be leftovers and their descendants enter the story in Revelation 20. This army that Satan rules and deceives is called “Gog and Magog” out of the four corners of the earth, which is confusing because it is absolutely different from the “gog of magog” in Ezekiel. Christians who have passed before Christs return and those that meet him at his return will reign with him for 1000 years according to Rev 20. The dead who are not in Christ stay dead till after the 1000 years. The “non-Christian survivors” after the return of Christ and Gods wrath will live on and die just like before the return of Christ. They will have 1000 years of descendants that will live and die but there is apparently a lot at the end of the 1000 because it’s a big army that Satan leads towards Jerusalem after the 1000 year reign. God sets them on fire before they can even really be successful and those people along with the “non-Christian” dead from Genesis until this point in the analysis, will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire. Then some really cool stuff that our minds can’t fully comprehend will happen and everlasting peace and joy is our exit strategy. We have to take advantage when the Bible is simple direct and clear about stuff because a lot of prophecy is mysterious and symbolic which has to be carefully interpreted through broader context and Intertextuality and even then, some stuff is still mysterious. I think what happens is we see so much mystery and symbols that we start forcing simple and direct scripture into being mysterious when it’s not. I’ve been obsessed with eschatology and how to study it for years, and it’s been a humbling but rewarding experience. Let me know if I can help with anything.
@@dadedreamin should we take revelation 20 literally if it doesn’t work with the other teachings in the New Testament? Revelation is a highly symbolic book
The Old name in Greek of Revelation is Apo-Calyphso..Apo is a Real Physical Mountain while Calyphso is Spiritual or Mythical land or Islands just like Man is both Spiritual & Physical.
If you read comments before watching, and you want to learn something about Revelation 20, let me save you 42 minutes and 18 seconds, find a another video. This message or sermon or whatever it was could have been given without reading any scripture. Revelation 20 was just used as a stage prop to demonstrate a topic Christians are divided over to deliver the main point of this talk which is Christians can have disagreements, but they shouldn’t be mean about it. I agree, amen. But the point can be made without having to dodge Revelation 20. The other takeaway is if you want to know what Sean believes about any given topic where Christians disagree, I guess you’ll have to read his mind. Sean, people want to know what you believe about Revelation 20, that’s why they showed up. On a positive note, great book recommendation!
With you up until the point you said don't take Revelation literally....numbers or otherwise. We don't have to understand Gods purpose or meaning for the end times for it to be true. And specific numbers are specific to God, even if we think they need to be interpreted differently for a human mind to understand/agree. God doesn't need us to make sense of it nor agree with what is said in revelation.
And another thing … 2 Peter 3:8 “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day”. It is obvious that Peter draws this divine principle from Psalm 90:4. Now, although I am not a committed young earth creationist, I nevertheless believe that we have had approximately 6000 years of biblical history thus far. Archbishop Ussher came up with the year 4004 BC for creation and according to the Rabbis we are approaching the year 5783. These are undeniable facts. Hebrews 4:9 encourages us that “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God”. It is easy to conclude, therefore, that the Millennium becomes the seventh day which lasts 1000 years. But, in my opinion, there is something even more significant. Hosea 6 begins like this: "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us; he has injured us, but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence”. The great diaspora for the Jewish people began in the year AD70. It has lasted approximately two days (2000 years). On the third day, they (and us) will live in his presence.
"The souls of them that were BEHEADED... which had not worshipped the beast...neither had received his mark upon their foreheads" - Revelation 20:4. Apparently they were NOT RAPTURED. There are 12 REFERENCES through Revelation related to BELIEVERS DURING THE TRIBULATION.
The only way to make sense of Revelation Chapter 20, is through an Amillennial viewpoint. This chapter is also written in the same style as Daniel 9:25-27, which is why both are rarely interpreted correctly. Jesus had previously bound the “strong man” to prevent the devil from blinding the nations to the truth of the Gospel, but in Rev 20:1-3, the devil is specifically bound to prevent his gathering the nations to war against the returning Christ and His Church, before God's timing. In 20:4, those sitting on “thrones” (meaning they have authority), are all those who preached the doctrine of Christ, the Word of God, to the world (Mark 1:27) from the time of our Lord's First Coming to His Second Coming. Those who were beheaded (didn't love their life more than Christ, and so the world killed them for their testimony), and those who didn't take the mark (refused to compromise), lost their family relationships, jobs, lands, whatever various tribulations, for the truth of God. These are all the faithful and believing saints from the founding of the church in the wilderness, under Moses, through the Messiah's Church (Rev 15:2-3) until He returns. In Rev 20:5, the “rest of the dead” these are the unbelievers, because saints of God are never part of the dead (whether their body is alive, or in the grave, because they passed from death to life at the new birth) lived not again (were not resurrected) until the end of the 1000 years - that's the day Christ returns. The dead bodies of those in Christ are resurrected first, therefore, when the bodies of the wicked are resurrected, the First Resurrection has been completed. Rev 20:6 (like Daniel 9:25 through 27 each expounds on what happened in the previous verse). This passage expounds on verses 4 and 5, further explaining that this resurrection of the dead after the 1000 years (the day Christ returns), are those going to the second death, and this death will not happen to those in Christ's Body (because He's the First Resurrection - 1Cor 15:23), they will continue on into everlasting life. Then Rev 20:7-8 goes back to expound on verses 1 to 3, and tells us that the devil was loosed from his chains at the right timing to bring the nations against the returning Christ, and His saints (Rev 16:13-14). Rev 20:9 shows Jesus returning to earth and He is about to destroy the wicked (Rev 14:18-20). Jerusalem here is not the Old “Holy” city, but it is the “beloved” city, His New Covenant saints. (2Thess 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Rev 20:10 shows the devil tossed into the Lake of Fire forever on the same day of Christ's return, not a 1000 years later. Rev 20:11 shows the Great White Throne - the judgment of the wicked. (The Judgment Seat of Christ, is where the saints of God have their works judged). Rev 20:12 shows the wicked standing before God with books (plural) opened, and their works. Then another book (singular) is opened, the Book of Life. This book contains the names of the people who conformed their way of life to follow God's one narrow path. The wicked each wrote their own book, and took many paths, in how they would conduct their life, without regard to their maker, or their fellow man. Rev 20:13-15 Not just the human wicked, but the rebellious angels being held in the earth (death and hell) are judged too, and cast into the Lake of Fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH, the end of the old creation earth. Next is the new earth, with the true God - God and the Lamb - to be the light (Rev 21:1-6; 22:3-5), and the old creation is freed from it's God imposed bondage to sin and decay (Rom 8:19-21).
Love the focus on unity and graciousness for differing opinions but disappointed that you never gave your opinion. To me that shows a lack of courage to lose followers and a lack of valuing truth to stand up for it. Same thing for young vs old earth. I watched because I thought I’d learn something from someone I respected but I learned nothing to sway me one way or the other from my premillenial stance. Please don’t be afraid to state your opinion but continue to be gracious and fair about other views.
The point is not what view Sean (or anyone else) takes. It is how we interact. People can hold any of the views of the Millennium Sean mentions without endangering their salvation. Someone who goes nuclear on another Christian for holding the "wrong" view can put himself (and any weaker Christians) at risk, so that is the more important issue.
G.Grennell In a word! Bunk!! Stand for the truth, a let people join or go away. Jesus did not say to his disciples in Matt 24, this is a secondary issue, stop asking questions and go evangelize...He gave them specific answers, and warned them about being deceived. Why, because He knew that it would be a comfort and hope to them as they experienced the great tribulation, to know the events as they happened, and what to look for along the way as they were being persecuted...they would need that strength. If you skip these matters, you will leave Christians without the critical knowledge they will need to overcome the persecution, and you will waste many chapters of the Bible that the Holy Spirit felt was necessary to include and teach correctly. There is a blessing to reading and understanding Revelation! I'm tired of pastors skipping prophecy because it is divisive...the church is already divided on tons of issues...get the truth out there without being divisive, or fear of division. Paul was more concerned about keeping doctrine pure and true, rather than worrying about if anybody agreed. The truth is singular...find it and preach it! We've had a couple thousand years to get this right...check out the early church fathers...they got it right!
I agree and respect your views, however with that said and with regard to your conversation with the lesbian you tuber, in your desire to be diplomatic, it sounded like you lead her to believe God made her to be lesbian, which is contradictory to Romans 1:24-32. It is not our place to judge. but as a Christian apologetic, shouldn’t you have referred her to the scripture, thus giving her the ability to know God’s truth, which is Not women lying with women and men with men, and then she would not have felt her life style endorsed by you. While on this earth, Christ was not afraid to offend.
Pendapat ulama Bahawa Allah dalam tubuh manusia ada lah rekaan hayalan dan Nur Mohamad itu bukan lah Allah,sebab akan me jadikan Allah berbilang daripada ke isaan Allah .Dan theory macam itu ada myth.
Although I'm premillennial, I can't be dogmatic about it. In fact, it's best not to be dogmatic. Otherwise, if you're wrong, what do you do then? Walk away from Christ? Or eat crow? I hope the latter for their sake.
'All' in Greek means 'all' 🤣yeah, right, but 'all' what? The Gospel changes liiiiiiives.. yeah, like every idea does, if you are in to it. So what has Jesus done for you? And I don't mean the things you read in 'the good book'...
I learned about amillennialism from Bible teacher Steve Gregg of thenarrowpath and he doesn't teach that the beast and fp are in the lake of fire now but that they will be cast into the lake of fire at the second coming on the last day (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54/12:48). He has a really solid study of Revelation for free here on RUclips or on his website TheNarrowPath. 🙂
I wonder why there is decent in such issues. John 4:24 Those who worship God *MUST* worship in Spirit and Truth. Not that it is okay to differ as we read "MUST" so the question is for those asserting position say women pastors. Right or wrong to God's truth? Or a young earth vs an Old Earth... Important or not. With the back drop of all the evidence a young earth makes no sense, ah but faith in what God has said trunmps the old earth this rejects God because "I have evidence..." Think about it an old earth view reject what God had said or a way to rationalize not accepting "God said it, that settles it." Why settle it. check out the genealogies from Adam -> Christ and then 2000 years. Even worse for one doubling down n the lie will start to redefine what is a woman, oops sorry what a day is. Yom is a period of time. sure but always in the context, and Gen 1, "So it was evening and morning one Yom, not some day age lie from satan. But this is all to say, or really question because one person here is saying 'x' is a secondary "Not a salvation issue..." if it is most important to please God Himself, ah obedience to what his nature/spirit/truth are import (again John 4:24). But how does anyone ever justify issue 'x' is not important? Christ said be perfect as I am perfect... So where can one simply reject the Bible's plain text and insert their own thoughts and reasoning...? (1 Tim 4:16 -- Watch closely your doctrine in doing so you save not only your life, but those around you..). Have to question a lot of teaching we hear these days and ask true or false? Can't both. Then again love hearing how people try on so many topics/issues how they try justifying 'x' or 'y' usually from a position that "Well we can't be sure. Okay true, but then why go for one doesn't require God.? The think i find interesting often those who who i'll get in discussions with on these, most have not studied or really know the Bible all that well, sadly it highlights most are taking a stand on issues in the Bible from more often from ignorance and/or their only opinion. But there is also another problem with the comment we will here "We need to be able to agree disagreeably..." In the end would assert it re-enforces what i would call as a passive aggressive ignorance to help and enable confusion... haha, to be honest, saw the title and the opening comment from Josh, heard possibly at most 30 second then wrote my comment... Interesting his first two points are what i noted...
If you make everything, a secondary issue, then no argument is left for the primary issue. Stop reasoning and start reading what the Bible says. It is not love to endure nonsense. (Matt: 7:23)
What is zero, anyway? Our understanding of zero is profound when you consider this fact: We don’t often, or perhaps ever, encounter zero in nature. Numbers like one, two, and three have a counterpart. We can see one light flash on. We can hear two beeps from a car horn. But zero? It requires us to recognize that the absence of something is a thing in and of itself. “Zero is in the mind, but not in the sensory world,” Robert Kaplan, a Harvard math professor and an author of a book on zero, says. Even in the empty reaches of space, if you can see stars, it means you’re being bathed in their electromagnetic radiation. In the darkest emptiness, there’s always something. Perhaps a true zero - meaning absolute nothingness - may have existed in the time before the Big Bang. But we can never know. Nevertheless, zero doesn’t have to exist to be useful. In fact, we can use the concept of zero to derive all the other numbers in the universe. Kaplan walked me through a thought exercise first described by the mathematician John von Neumann. It’s deceptively simple. Imagine a box with nothing in it. Mathematicians call this empty box “the empty set.” It’s a physical representation of zero. What’s inside the empty box? Nothing. Now take another empty box, and place it in the first one. How many things are in the first box now? There’s one object in it. Then, put another empty box inside the first two. How many objects does it contain now? Two. And that’s how “we derive all the counting numbers from zero … from nothing,” Kaplan says. This is the basis of our number system. Zero is an abstraction and a reality at the same time. “It’s the nothing that is,” as Kaplan said. He then put it in more poetic terms. “Zero stands as the far horizon beckoning us on the way horizons do in paintings,” he says. “It unifies the entire picture. If you look at zero you see nothing. But if you look through it, you see the world. It’s the horizon.” Once we had zero, we have negative numbers. Zero helps us understand that we can use math to think about things that have no counterpart in a physical lived experience; imaginary numbers don’t exist but are crucial to understanding electrical systems. Zero also helps us understand its antithesis, infinity, in all of its extreme weirdness. (Did you know that one infinity can be larger than another?)
Unfortunately, it is in my nature to have zero interest in your argument. 😜 Seriously, though, this seems like equivocation to me. The boxes you mention are not "nothing"; they are boxes. The empty set is not "nothing"; it contains nothing. There is a difference between what something contains and what it is. A box is a box--a thing, whether physically or conceptually, and likewise the empty set.
@@ready1fire1aim1 But how can 3D objects exist "in" an infinitesimal geometric point? The whole argument seems akin to the idea of somehow pulling a something out of a nothing: at some point, the "nothing" will be replaced by something disguised as nothing.
@@ready1fire1aim1 Noted. And I'd still like to know how we fit "in" it. Now, if you want to claim that 0D is logically prior to 3D, sure. But that's not the same thing.
Indeed Revelation is both Spiritual & Physical, as man is both Spiritual & Physical..The Kingdom of God is in you/us is Spiritual and our Flesh is Physical( need resurrection) so it does need a real with Flesh Physical Kingdom of God with measurements and material constructions and this City will arrive on earth any time in year 2022. Be safe.
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.*** *Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.*** ***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service. Google *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"* Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes. From a Biblical scholar: "Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."* *"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Biblical Contradiction #2: Did God create the heavens and earth from the formless deep OR did Yahweh create them from the slaying of the primaeval sea monster Leviathan /Rahab?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Are The Ten Commandments Based On The Forty-Two Principles Of Maat That Appeared 2,000 Years Earlier? - Ancient Pages"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"No, Humans Are Probably Not All Descended From A Single Couple Who Lived 200,000 Years Ago"* *"Adam & Eve: Theologians Try to Reconcile Science and Fail - The New Republic"* *"Adam and Eve: the ultimate standoff between science and faith (and a contest!) - Why Evolution Is True"* *"Bogus accommodationism: The return of Adam and Eve as real people, as proposed by a wonky quasi-scientific theory - Why Evolution Is True"* *"How many scientists question evolution? - **sciencemeetsreligion.org**"* *"What is the evidence for evolution? - Common-questions - BioLogos"* (A Christian organisation) *"Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - Science"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"* *"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei (This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies) *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
*Let's briefly run through the 'ten plagues':* First the rivers are turned to blood, all the fish die and the waters stink. No one has any water to drink. This lasted for seven days and would have resulted in mass deaths due to dehydration. Amongst the first to die would have been the children. *The author doesn't think to explain how the Hebrews were saved from this. No record of it was made anywhere in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 7:17-25. This is followed by a plague of frogs which had somehow survived the rivers of blood that had killed all the fish. A mere inconvenience, nothing more, and a big stink when they all died, *but no record anywhere.* Exodus 8:2-13. Next we have the plague of lice about which very little is said *and of course no record was made.* To a people who would have been accustomed to lice this would probably have been nothing remarkable. Exodus 8:16-18. Then the flies. Apart from the land being 'corrupted', whatever that means, there don't appear to have been any ill effects from this and they disappear as quickly as they came a few days later. *Nothing worth recording there, obviously.* Exodus 8:21-31. Now the author seems to begin to lose the plot and describes a 'grievous murrain' *which kills all the Egyptians' cattle, horses, camels and sheep.* ***They all died - hold that thought.*** *No Egyptian historian or keeper of official records deems it worthy of mention.* Exodus 9:3-6. Next come the boils which afflict everyone and everything, including all the livestock ***even though they had been killed by the 'grievous murrain' a few days earlier,*** *apparently, and yet no-one thought to write anything down anywhere.* Of course, anyone who understood anything about microorganisms and the aeteology of boils would have described this as an infestation with Staphylococcus - the signs of faecal contamination - but the author was obviously unaware of these. Maybe he was just in too much of a muddle by now to care. Exodus 9:8-11. Now it's hailstones so bad that every plant, every tree, every servant (for servant read slave) ***and even the livestock (that our story-teller has forgotten already that he killed off in the fifth plague before given them boils in the sixth) were harmed.*** It looks like our story-teller has learned from his earlier silly mistake with killing all the livestock too soon then having to resurrect them later. He mentions that some plants survive. Do I smell stinking fish again? *The greatest hail storm in all Egyptian history, apparently, but not worthy of being recorded.* Exodus 9:18-25. It's the turn of the locusts and it's suddenly obvious why some plants had to survive. *How could the locusts turn Egypt into a barren desert if the hail storm had done it earlier?* Good thinking there. Shame about the earlier boob! *Mysteriously, no Egyptian scribe appears to notice any of this or the inevitable famine and mass starvation which would have ensued.* Exodus 10:4-15. And for the penultimate trick, it's going to be dark for three days. *No one makes a record of this, obviously.* Exodus 10:21-23. The last 'plague' is not so much a plague as a ritual genocide. *Here our tale takes a nasty turn and the true character of the Hebrew god is revealed in all its glory - a petty, vindictive, homicidal psychopath who has not yet acquired the omniscience he will be granted later. He kills every firstborn Egyptian in a single night,* ***including the firstborn of all the cattle that died in the fifth plague.*** *For some reason he needs the Hebrews to leave a secret sign so he doesn't kill them too. Weirdly, he can't tell his own chosen people from ordinary Egyptians and doesn't even know where they live.* And he had been leading up to this, apparently, because after every plague he 'hardens the heart' of Pharaoh so that he wouldn't let the Hebrews go. He had actually been planning this genocide all along just to impress people with his powers. *And still no-one thought even this mass killing in a single night worth making a note of in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 12:1-30. And then, of course, Pharaoh could muster up 600 horses to pull the chariots ***from amongst all the dead livestock from the 5th plague*** (Exodus 14:7). Google *"Rosa Rubicondior: Origins Of The Exodus Myth"* ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Debunking Christianity: PATTERNS OF POOR RESEARCH- A Critique of Patterns of Evidence:Exodus"* *"For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth - Archaeology - **Haaretz.com**"* *"Why the Exodus Story Has Value Despite Being Complete Myth - Psychology Today Australia"* *"Is the Exodus a Myth? - Worlds Beyond"* *"Historicity of Exodus and Moses - The Creatively Maladjusted"* *"Biblical Contradiction #81. When did the Exodus allegedly happen: during the reign of Rameses II (1279-1213 BC) OR in 1447 BC?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Biblical Contradiction #87. Does the god of the Hebrews reveal himself to Moses in Midian OR in Egypt?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Bible Contradiction **#134**. Which Ten Commandments?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Bible Contradiction **#147**. Who writes the laws and commandments on stone tablets: Moses OR Yahweh?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Ten Reasons Why the Bible’s Story of the Exodus is Not True - by Tim Zeak - ExCommunications - Medium"* *"Why Moses Did Not Write the Torah - Thomas Shoemaker"* *"Sargon the Great and Moses - The Word of Me… Wordpress"* *"The Documentary Hypothesis | Fewer Lacunae"* *"The Death of the Documentary Hypothesis | Rev. David Bokovoy"* *"The Neo-Documentary Hypothesis | Rev. David Bokovoy"* *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
I am curious as to why you didn’t mention gay marriage, abortion rights, transgender identities as issues that Christians should not be overly divisive about? It seems you were randomly selective in the social moral issues you used to illustrate your point…hmm…🤔
@@SeanMcDowell thanks Sean. It seems like you are triaging the importance of doctrines similarly to Gavin Ortlund. I appreciate that approach as well. I also appreciated your clear expose of the three views of Revelation 20. Gavin had a recent short presentation on this and other eschatological issues as well. Both of you are in-sync with each other. 😊
if Christ was supposed to come after the millennium he missed his first window by 1000 years and with said he might not be coming again for another 1000 year or even 10000 plus years for now. I can be predictive also. I predict that someone will bring me a pizza in the next year and it will most likely end up being accurate. Bottom line with an unlimited amount of time most predictions will come true and the ones that can't become true will never be questioned by the faithful.
Who is Yaldabaoth in the Bible? In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, Yaldabaoth (Yahweh) is regarded as the malevolent Demiurge and false god of the Old Testament who generated the material universe and keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created. When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.” Passover, Hebrew Pesaḥ or Pesach, in Judaism, holiday commemorating the Hebrews' liberation from slavery in Egypt and the “passing over” of the forces of destruction, or the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites, when the Lord “smote the land of Egypt” on the eve of the Exodus. Egypt meaning: Temple of the Soul of Ptah.
Religion exists to divide people. And here Sean is trying to get people, at least those loosely on his team, to get along better. Sorry, God loves some, and demands they look down on others. Just how it's all written. That's the game that system plays. God has favorites and most people aren't in that group. Which group is right will never be known. Why? Because it's all fiction. The only benefit to the system is in the money you can pull from believers to keep them believing.
Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of eternal life to all who trust Him alone for salvation. This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation. We can definitely agree to disagree on the non essentials.
A true peace maker within Christianity. His great learning has driven him sane. I have grown to love this guy over the past year, one of the best shows on utube. What a big heart and a brilliant mind, wonderful combination. I will venture to say I believe he is quickly becoming one of the most important voices of our time. God bless you Dr McDowell.
Thanks Darren. Appreciate your continued encouragement!
Speaking as an atheist I find him one of the more honest apologists. I watched him with Paulogia discussing the martyrdom of the apostles. He didnt change my mind about religion but I couldnt help but admire his openess and ability to admit he does not have all the answers. If more apologists were like him, I am not saying there would be more conversions but certainly a better quality of discussion.
Agree! He is my favorite pastor to listen too. I look forward to all of Sean's teachings and I share them with many.
He had a good mentor, his dad, Josh! We used his material while raising kids.
@@kevinkelly2162 May the good LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL. see godly principles work whether you believe in GOD or not but if you are and atheist what are you basing morality on ???? You really don’t have to have. Any. My heart goes out to. On believers they have NO HOPE FOR ETERNITY and that’s a very very long time
James White wrote a great piece on escapism vs enduritism. I am convinced that’s the most significant issue. I tired of the Left Behind series and Hal Lindsay years ago. I know that I know He is returning. But I will likely see Him via my natural death rather than the rapture.
Tracey Burroughs from South Africa 🇿🇦 watching your episode. Thank you for the good episode.
Amazing. You’re welcome!
Love listening to your talks. The debate with Arielle was fascinating. Love in Christ from you 🇿🇦
So informative, and thought provoking! Thank you for making it a point to find common ground, and bringing a call to action for believers everywhere to search the truth themselves. Great as always Sean!
You bet!
I enjoyed this presentation. I especially like how he emphasized the need for personal thought, understanding and seeking. Then to be humble and loving.
Absolutely love the way you position the truth on controversial subjects. If only we could think more about how to win those for the Kingdom rather than getting our point across or being correct. Keep doing what you are doing!!! Be encouraged that you are encouraging us to think biblically but position it lovingly and it is making an impact! Thank you
Thanks Martin!
This is why The Catalysm of the Kingdom of Heaven (Amazon) was written - because the body of Christ must be united in an essential creed. Enough of the fighting - go live as God called us. It's all laid out. Go read the creed!
This is soooo good! Thank you Sean for laying it out so clearly, so kindly. I pray that the Lord gives me His heart to love and understand in place of the need to be "right" in the name of the truth. It's all about love. This is so convicting and encouraging at the same time. Thank you!
I’m so glad it was helpful!
Good job, Sean. Summarizing each of the different views. For decades, I likewise held a particular view. I still do, but not as dogmatically. About a decade ago, two references changed my mind about being dogmatic about this. In Daniel 12:8-9, Daniel was confused about the future prophecy. The Lord did not explain it to him, he told Daniel it is for the future people to understand.
When Jesus arrived the first time, he put the prophecies together so that none of his era's best scholars could figure it out. They were all wrong. The Lord used angels to announce the Messiah’s arrival, not prophecy scholars.
What happens when the first resurrection occurs? What about people living on earth; will they still be alive, or will they be judged? The Bible says that for 1000 years, the devil is locked away, so what happens to unbelievers who live during that time period on Earth?
He thinks he and his little group are "saved" and "in Christ" but has no idea who those terms really apply to.
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Dr. Sean McDowell you need to make the first 5:38 minutes into a short clip I would love to just share that point with brothers and sisters in my group!!!!❤✝️♥️
Amen my brother!!!
This is so good. I needed to hear that. Thank you pastor Sean!
My wife would agree with you on that it is not an salvation issue. However, when a view states that man dictates and God simply has to alter His plans, that does become a herecy (). Also, of all three views, only two had issues with scripture, where as only the one issue was how they interpret scripture. Make you think 🤔. I believe, as soon as one has to move scripture to make some doctrine work, it has to be wrong. Also, it has to comply with all Scripture, not just some or an idea or concept. We should experience the Word of God like children, not like an highly educated person, for it is simply, especially, when one is being led by the Holy Spirit. Thank you again for your great contributions to our amazing faith.
You have to feel comfortable in your skin to state your own views then just let other people make up their own minds
I hear you but that’s not the reason I approached the millennium as I did.
@@SeanMcDowell I understand you were a guest speaker brought in to may be make appeasement between the sides
My friend who has completed seminary says that this millennial issue comes up a lot in interviews and can be an instant deal breaker. I don't get it. I have some feelings on the millennial kingdom, but I'm not married to a single view. I can be more easily triggered on some of the other issues he brought up, but I just can't find any reason to think my view of eschatology has to be correct. And I feel the same about the creation story and most of Genesis prior to Abraham. My faith is centered on an empty tomb in Jerusalem, and not on a specific timeline for creation or tribulation.
Most discussions on this topic do not provide a history of this topic. What did the Traditional early Church fathers believe? How did the debatable agnostic leader Origen change many beliefs over to his allegorical approach to interpretation? Or, that the commonly held pre-trib view did not exist until the 1800s with its relatively recent postulation of dispensationalism. Diagrams on eschatological discussions also do not specifically address in their prophetical time lines the major prophetic event of Yeshua Ben David and what these O/T prophecies teach about it. Addressing these scriptures would clarify the end times teaching. As you suggested, humility here must be a starting point. I find most teachings are from a very Gentile Church bias. Paul provides the Church with Romans chapter 11 to try and overcome this mindset. In 2Thess 2:3 Jesus teaches that before the great tribulation the Gentile Church will experience a great falling away from the faith - this is not a rapture. Ask yourself what is the state of Christianity today in Europe and North America? How is church attendance trending? From a world perspective, this is what leads us into judgement, the great tribulation. The outcome of which is the fulfillment of the restoration of Israel, the millennial kingdom Isaiah 11, Amos 9:11, etc. I think if the facts are presented as clearly as possible, with the full weight of scripture, people can then better understand the plain reading of scripture. In the end, as a Christian we are not called to love those who believe or act like we think they should. We are called to turn the other cheek. this is our test of knowing the depth of Christ's forgiveness. For while WE were yet sinners... And who knows, maybe through the outcome of a respectful exchange we may also come to learn something we ourselves didn't see before too. One thing is true, we are always stronger when we stand together in the unity of God's love. 1Cor 13:13 (Charity trumps faith).
Beautiful message, thank you. Think you should add a subtitle referring to your message on unity as, at least for me, that was every bit as important 🙂
Millennial views are only a part of different interpretations, there's pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib compounded further by preterist, historicist, futurist, idealist, & eclectic.
I do not hold a PHD in theology, but I would not be intimidated to sit with Dr. McDowell to present a different view on the Millenium.
Have to separate Historic Premillennial and Dispensational Premillennial. They are quite different except for the timing of the millennium. This historic part and dispensational part describes a difference in futuristic, literalistic view and a historical view.
I love this message!! I find that people tend to be so very emotionally attached to their view they aren’t willing to listen to anything outside of it. It’s important to know why you believe things with facts and logic. Then you can have something more to stand on other than emotion. You are much more likely to have a civil conversation about opposing views when facts and logic are involved and not just emotion
Exactly!
There is only one way to treat each other on the issues get together as brothers and sisters and take the issues to God, listen and follow what God says regardless if you like the answer God gave or not
I really want to more of these message Sean- where can I watch more. Thanks
This channel is your best bet. I preach intermittently at churches and load them here as I can. I’ve got a few more in the queue coming out soon!
A talk that needs to be considered by all viewpoints. I agree with one view but cannot find one thing that it creates unity in the body that makes it worth drawing a line in the sand over.
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So the first error Sean makes is calling Eschatology a "secondary issue". If you believe in Jesus and place your trust in Him to save you, then you are saved. So for you this might be a secondary issue now, but Jesus and Paul never saw this as a "secondary issue"
John 13:19
19 "Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am."
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,..."
Both Jesus and Paul in regard to the salvation of non-believers and evangelism, both pointed to Bible prophecy.
That what has been written in Scripture will come to pass as it's written so that non-believers may see and come to believe Jesus is the I AM.
Throughout Scripture, God shows He is THE I AM by proclaiming the future in advance so that those who see His predictions come to pass will turn to Him and worship Him.
The way the Jews knew Jesus was the Messiah is because He fulfilled over 100 prophecies literally as they were written in the OT.
The second issue I have on this topic is assuming this topic has multiple options. There may have been many false Messiah's before Jesus, certainly, there were after Jesus, but there is ONLY 1 True Messiah. Eschatology as a part of Bible prophecy is about reality unfolding just as the LORD has foretold. Reality only unfolds 1 way. If there is only 1 correct way then every other way is false. Now we can choose to believe in false doctrines the Church is full of them, that's how we have hundreds of denominations who all think they have the correct doctrine. But here's the difference between Eschatology and any other doctrine, it's at the very center of the Heart of God. Eschatology, the 2nd Coming or end-times however you want to label it encompasses over 1/3 of Scripture. It runs from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. It is the culmination of all of Scripture.
Every doctrine and understanding we have interacts with this topic whether we see it or not.
Sean proposes that we behave cordially when disagreeing on issues like this and of course, I'm not going to tear someone down over this. But, this was Jesus's response to the Pharisees in the first century who claimed to follow God, who spent enormous time studying and waiting for the Messiah and yet had no clue the time He would come.
Matthew 16:1-4
Then the Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. 2 He answered and said to them, “When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; 3 and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed."
Now we are talking about the 2nd Coming and how many Christians who claim to follow Jesus, are in the dark about His 2nd Coming?
I have been studying and teaching on this topic for 3 decades and unless someone has a really whacked-out view I have probably heard most questions. My first piece of advice is to forget the terms Premill, Postmill, Amill, Preterism, Pre-trib, Post-trib, Rapture, etc. All of these have assumptions attached to them that are wrong to some degree or another. I try to teach as if someone has no idea about the topic and so we have to do a brain wipe.
There are 3 passages and 1 breakdown that I am going to go through and after these 4 points we should have a pretty good picture of what we're looking at.
If you start in Revelation to try to understand this topic, you're done. Revelation is the last book of the Bible for a reason, you better have a really good handle on the rest of the 65 books that precede it. This topic ends in Revelation, it doesn't begin there.
Daniel 9:24-26
Here Daniel is praying and the Angel Gabriel comes to Daniel with a prophecy of promise from the Throne.
(21b) Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision:..."
“Seventy weeks are determined For your people (Daniel's people are the Jews) and for your holy city, (Jerusalem)
To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, (there is ONLY 1 way these things can be accomplished and that is through belief in Jesus for salvation.)
To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy."
So the prophecy is that after 70 weeks Daniel's people the Jews and Jerusalem will believe in Jesus as their Savior and when it happens the prophecy will be fulfilled and they will anoint Him as the Most Holy.
We see this confirmed in Romans 11:25-27
25 For I do not desire, brethren (Christians), that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
Yes, one day Jews and Gentiles will be together with the LORD but there is a plan and a path that needs to unfold. The prophecy in Daniel 9 is part of that.
Another is Ezekiel 37:21-23
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God."
The question with Bible prophecy is always "has this happened yet?" Israel has never been a united kingdom and we see that today. If God says "they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again." Then He means there will come a day when Israel will be 1 united kingdom forever. This hasn't happened yet, so anyone who says God is done with Israel and the Jewish people needs to study the Bible more.
So we've been able to determine already that God is not finished with the Jewish people and Israel. That one day they will come to faith in Jesus and be saved and when they do they will anoint Him as the Most Holy. Since none of these things have happened yet the 70 weeks are not complete.
So let's get back to Daniel 9:25-26a
“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem (Event #1)
Until Messiah the Prince, (Event #2)
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; (7+62=69 weeks (not 70) a specific period of time)
The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. (Jerusalem will be rebuilt during troublesome times)
26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall [j]be cut off, (suffer the death penalty)but not for Himself;..."
(Continued in Part 2)
Sean, whom I greatly respect, says a very revealing thing around 23 minutes. “[The Millennium] is nowhere else explicitly mentioned in Scripture”. This is apart from Revelation 20 of course. Now isn’t that interesting? But that is the revealing point as to why most Christian apologists or theologians cannot actually say anything meaningful about the Millennium. They have a church-based eschatology that is heavily supersessionist. The numerous prophetic passages in the Tanach are completely ignored. The Bible, when taken as a whole, is filled with the Millennium. As an example, how about: Isaiah 2:2-4 In the last days the mountain of the LORD's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations will stream to it. Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.
I'm surprised Isaiah 24: 20-23 doesn't come up more often in these conversations given that it is pretty clear John is alluding to it in his description of the millennium.
20
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard,
And shall totter like a hut;
Its transgression shall be heavy upon it,
And it will fall, and not rise again.
21
It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth the kings of the earth.
22
They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
23
Then the moon will be disgraced
And the sun ashamed;
For the Lord of hosts will reign
On Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
And before His elders, gloriously.
So the earth is ruined, God's heavenly and earthly enemies are shut up in the pit, after a long (but unspecified in this passage) length of time they are punished, and then we see the sun and moon ashamed because God himself reigns. This follows precisely the sequence of events we find in Revelation 19 and 20.
Amen brother I also made some comments that's a very definitive time very clear all through the Bible but yes he did say not clearly but once you realize exactly by The book of Revelation then you see it everywhere that's the promises made to Israel as a matter of fact would you just talked about the kingdom of heaven is on Earth
I agree with you. And Without correct understanding, anti christ deception would enter.
i am catholic and i love our differences and more our simililarities. Jesus is our unity
But are you a CHRISTIAN ? John 3.3, 33-34----I was member of Methodist church but no one tole me I had to be BORN AGAIN & Sealed w/the Holy Spirit.
Catholics are not Christians because they have a false Christ. The true Christ says if you love me, keep my commandments.
THERE ARE born again catholics. Most arent though. I was a catholic , born again now.
Problem is as a catholic we just assumed we had holy spirit.
@@fightclub1164 The catholic doctrines continue to be one of satan's most effective lies. So glad you are BORN AGAIN! See you in HIS KINGDOM.
Does anybody know where I can take apologetics courses online? For free or inexpensive?
he's actually hilarious (as well as a brilliant teacher with a kind heart)
The age of the earth isn't primarily a question for a Christian, it's essential for a non theist to reject and replace theism.
that is all the more reason we should demand biblical chronology just ask the Jewish nation what year it is. It surely is not millions and billions of years old!!!!!! it is mere thousands of years old
The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary claim, ie you.
If one is an atheist, I guess. But you can still be a Christian and believe what the evidence of the fossil record suggests. Basically theistic evolution. I know young earth creationists cringe from this position, but this isn't a salvation issue as Sean rightfully pointed out.
@@ArtbyAP you're a nut, the evidence that we follow is in the text. God's word is sure. Just follow the text. YOU can not get millions and billions out of the biblical text. Just ask any Jew what year it is on their calendar. You are not following the bible you are following pseudo science.
I don't listen to much content from this channel aside from interviews. That may have to change.
I really like Sean! The only 2 things that bug me are he never mentioned that a huge part of the reason alot of people are post mill is because Christ said in Matthew 16:28 "And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”. Either Christ was wrong or that has already taken place, there isn't another way to interpret Him stating some will not die.
The other issue I have is that when God says the earth was created in 6 days and he rested on the 7th, it is for a reason. He is giving us the blueprint for our week. God could have created everything in a single moment, if he had desired to do so, but he did not and it was for a purpose. There isn't wiggle room there. God is not human and is unrestricted by time or physics. He created Adam as a grown man and did the same with the appearance of the earth. We shouldn't play with / avoid scripture and God's words to make it sound more appealing to unbelievers.
That being said, I really do like Sean and his dad. I think they're both saved and true Christians.
The "Transfiguration" is the key. They saw Jesus Christ in his "Second Coming" glory before they tasted death.
@@captaineveryman6589 I've never heard this view before. I've always thought that it was verified by Stephen when he was being stoned and said he saw the heavens open and Christ seated at the right hand of the Father. The transfiguration was so close after his saying this, that it wouldn't even make sense to word it that way. Like "some of you will still be alive in a few days/weeks at my transfiguration, even though it's only going to be a few of my closest disciples with me", I think that's a bit of a stretch to say the least.
@ChristianRebel well what does the Bible say? 6 days or millions of years? I agree that we should be careful and not try to make the Bible say something it doesn't. The only reason scientists push for the millions of years view is because they need it for evolution, and the whole point of evolution is to get rid of God. Satan is always behind it when something contradicts God's word.
@@brockmerchant3663 of course, your view is also an interpretation. I see Stephen's vision as completely unrelated to this. Also, I think the fact the Transfiguration happened soon after Christ said it, points to it being what he was referring to.
@@captaineveryman6589 I'm not saying it's impossible. My mind isn't made up, although, post mill view does have a much better explanation of Revelation verse by verse and matching the prophecies to historical events in that time. I'm just saying that it wouldn't make sense for Jesus to tell a group of people "some of you will not even taste death before these things come to pass! Next week..." lol
Sean, you forgot the 'mid-trib' position! That would make 4 tribulation positions.
I don't recall that he mentioned the Tribulation at all, just the Millennium. There's no "mid-mill" position that I'm aware of. Anyway, all of those views of the Rapture and Tribulation are premill. When he mentions the idea that premillennialism involves more than one Second Coming, that criticism only applies to pretrib and midtrib, and to a much lesser extent Pre-Wrath. It doesn't apply at all to posttrib. Still, for most people, premill = pretrib.
Dr. McDowell, is there an email where I can send you a link to my work? Let me know. Thank you!
Sure, it’s at seanmcdowell.org. Thanks for asking!
It is simple it says what it does
exactly
Here is one argument against amill and postmill: In Revelation 20, the devil is bound and he is sealed up into the Abyss, correct? The amill claims that the devil while bound and in the abyss is STILL active on the earth. However, the book of Revelation and the gospel of Luke seem to suggest that being shut up in the Abyss prevents activity on the earth, the language is so strong. example:
Luke 8:39 And they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss. (Context: The "Legion" multiple demons are begging Jesus not to send them to the Abyss, but instead want to go to the pigs, which seems to me, if Jesus were to send them to the Abyss they wouldn't be able to run around here on earth!)
Revelation 9 is another one, where an angel opens up the Abyss and out of it come these demonic scorpion like creatures who torment people, again, they only are able to do that when they are out of the abyss.
Another argument against amill and postmill is the fact that the Beast and false prophet get their power FROM the dragon (satan), who allegedly is bound and in the abyss? Revelation 19 the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, which appears to be the second coming, satan is not mentioned in the chapter at all, but in the very next chapter, 20, the devil is bound for a thousand years, after which he is let loose for a little season and then thrown into the lake of fire...... where the beast and the false prophet ARE. Why are the beast and the false prophet there already? Because they were thrown in there at the second coming in Revelation 19. Anyone following me here?
Revelation isn't sequential (each chapter following the last). It describes the history of earth, and the culmination ot it (Christ's Return) from seven different perspectives as seen by John.
Hi ! Satan was bound so that he couldn't deceive the Nations until after the thousand years are completed (Rev 20:3) So the amill perspective is that during this time, people will still be deceived, immoral and evil but Satan will be limited in how much he can deceive the nations as a whole.
This is a critical time that God provided to allow the Gospel message to be spread to all the nations and there is clear evidence of this by the growth of Christianity around the world... despite persecutions and martyrdom. At the end of the thousand years (symbolically meant as a long time... almost 2000 years), God will allow Satan to be loosed where he will once again deceive entire Nations. If interested, check out Steve Gregg's Revelation 20 study for details. It's pretty brilliant (in my opinion). Happy studies and God bless you. :-)
What's so controversial about it? The entire passage simply explains the 4th and final judgment.
Bowing to Caesar is not like arguing over eating vegetables.
Mr McDonald did not present you with all of the views only three. I am pan millennial and pro millennial. It will all pan out in the end and I am all for it. That view was originally shared with me by an orthodox Jew who became a Christian whom I met at University.
Voice recognition of McDowell did not get put in their properly.
If we cannot do something in love then don't do it at all. Learn and search your own heart guided by Biblical truth.
The main thing is that we keep the "main thing" the main thing. So what is the "main thing"? Is Jesus the "main thing", or is our relationship to Jesus the "main thing"? Jesus is the main thing in Christianity, for without Him there would be no salvation in Christianity, yet for us our relationship to Jesus is the "main thing" because if we do not have a relationship to and with Jesus we will hear the most terrifying words ever uttered by Jesus: "I never knew you".
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
Where I can find the whole series on Revelation?
Check the church Shoreline in San clemente. I spoke two days.
@@SeanMcDowell thanks
Also look for David Pawson speaking on the book of Revelation on RUclips.
Hi! Check out Steve Gregg's Free Revelation verse-by-verse teaching at TheNarrowPath or search for him here on RUclips. :-)
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Sean, are you a calvinist/ reformer? Ty
love the Link Year shirt haha!
YES!!!
Finally a Christian apologist that says the V-word
Truly united
Interesting note on the speaker's analysis on avengers. (I love the spirit in which he approaches potentially explosive topics, btw!) He says Loki plays the Satan figure in the marvel universe, but, in the Thor movie, Thor is the Satan figure: he disobeys his father who is king, is cast out of "heaven" to earth for bringing war to heaven, etc. Loki, on the other hand, is referred to as "rock of ages" in the avengers, reminds the people in one scene that they were created for worship, touches people's hearts (with his staff) and they gladly do his will, is working to bring beings from another dimension to put an end to earth as we know it.
Who is Loki designed to represent in the marvel universe? 🤔
Just to finish my point above: if we watch movies that have us cheering for the character that represents Satan while hoping for the downfall of the character that has characteristics of Jesus, is that good for a Christian? Food for thought. God bless!
Thor: Good Standing, Fallen, Redeemed
Loki: Good Standing, Fallen, Jailed, Released, Redeemed
Their multi-movie story is both one of redemption, but viewed as individual movies, Thor is always redeemed, but Loki isn’t redeemed in the Avengers movie. Thor is more of a prodigal son type figure and Loki is more of a Satan figure.
@@ethanhahn6043 I can see your point and I wouldn't make it an issue of salvation by any means, but, if we make a plain, point for point comparison, I believe the original argument simply holds more weight. Thor's father, who plays the God-figure, actually says, "I cast you out", which is a direct correlation to Revelation 12:7-9 and Isaiah 14:12-14. Immediately after this Thor "falls" to earth. Loki is never cast out, but rather comes to earth to initiate "the end" of human civilization as we know it with a legion of beings from another dimension. As I stated before, he is referred to as "Rock of Ages" which is a name directly and solely related to Jesus. There are other parallels which are easily seen with a little comparison to the Biblical account. While thor is portrayed as the hero, he correlates more with satan than Jesus.
As stated above, I wouldn't argue over this or make it an issue of salvation, but would rather just encourage us as followers of Jesus to consider what we use to entertain ourselves (Phil. 4:8; Psalm 101:3; Rom. 1:28-32). AKA, seeking things that please Him rather than myself. We are told to put ourselves in a position where our thoughts can be in line with the mind of Christ (Phil. 2:5-11), but I have personally found it difficult to do so while enjoying movies that exalt characteristics that are opposed to His character. Just a thought. Have a blessed day.
@@abedetesfa5158 I agree that Thor correlates more with Satan than Jesus in the same sense that we all correlate more with Satan than Jesus.
In the movie, Tony was mocking Loki when he said “What? Rock of Ages giving up so easily?” so it’s difficult to accuse Marvel of exalting bad characteristics.
I don’t think Marvel is prescribing morality that’s contrary to what scripture teaches as much as they are appealing to the morality that scripture teaches. That’s how they’re making money - they’re tapping into the law of morality God wrote on our hearts. Of course there are lies in the story, but the grand theme of redemption is being told and retold and it doesn’t get old
@@ethanhahn6043 I truly appreciate your thoughtful responses and I would like to repeat that I don't necessarily consider this an issue of salvation. That being said, there were two statements you made to which I would like to respond at this time.
1) I agree with what you said about us correlating more with satan than Jesus in our carnal state (as Paul said that the carnal heart is enmity against God). However, I don't believe that God is content with us remaining in this state and I don't think we should be content with it either (Titus 2:11-12; 1 Thess. 4:3; John 3:16-17; etc.). If my goal is to die to self daily and resemble Jesus more and more, then I believe I should strive to put away anything that could possibly lead me to exalt characteristics that are un-Christlike. For example, if the hero of any given movie (Marvel or otherwise) is angry, violent, dishonest, prideful, into the occult/witchcraft, and the audience is encouraged to identify with this protagonist as the "good guy", then, psychologically, the viewer to some degree comes to accept the un-Christlike traits as permissible or acceptable in light of the "greater good" the hero is trying to achieve.
2) I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated that Marvel is "tapping into the law of morality God wrote on our hearts." My question would be: How are they (or any other such storytellers) interpreting this law for us? For example, if God says that witchcraft is a deadly evil which should be avoided at any cost, but a movie portrays a witch/wizard/warlock as a hero or even humanity's only hope of survival, they have effectively rewritten the "law of morality" for us. They have effectively said, "Even though God has said this or that thing is evil, it is not inherently evil. In fact, you can even do good with it. It is your choice that makes it good or evil." Such thinking puts us in the place of God, deciding for ourselves what is good and what is evil rather than trusting what He has said. This is basically what happened with Eve in Genesis 3.
Many argue (erroneously) that the things we watch and listen to have no effect on us, but this simply does not hold up to the evidence. Without going into all the science surrounding mirror neurons, the lymbic system, etc., we can look at plain-to-see examples in everyday life. When the Bourne Identity was released, it preceded a spike in the sales of Mini Coopers. Same with Transformers and the sale of Camaros. The fact is, these multi-million dollar companies didn't make money by wasting money on "useless" advertising. They spend the money because they know it influences our thinking and decisions.
In short, the enemy is subtle; Jesus warns of this throughout the Bible. It is hard to maintain pure thoughts when impure suggestions are part of what we watch and listen to on a daily basis. Phil. 4:8 encourages us to keep true, holy and pure things on our minds. It sometimes seems like God is asking a lot from us, but the fact is, if we love Him, what is too much to give? (John 14:15) He gave all for us...
Thanks, Sean for Your insights!
John 3.3, 33-34- You Must Be BORN AGAIN! Period! & sealed w/ the HOLY SPIRIT! If not then you are in hell. I was confirmed membership in Methodist church age 9. No one told me I had to be BORN AGAIN. Age 31 in hotel room cried out to the LORD & was saved by HIS Grace ALONE! (Eph 2.8-9)-
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So from history do we know Event #1 That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem happened?
Nehemiah 2:1-6. The decree went out.
Nehemiah 2:1 "And it came to pass in the month of Nisan, in the twentieth year of King Artaxerxes,..."
This was Nisan 445/444 BC. Now no Christian or Jew has ever believed that the Messiah came 69 weeks later in 444/443BC.
So what does the 69 weeks mean? There are a few helpful clues
the Common Jewish Bible says 25 Know, therefore, and discern that seven weeks [of years] will elapse between the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Yerushalayim until an anointed prince comes. It will remain built for sixty-two weeks [of years],..."
Numbers 14:32 But as for you, your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness. 33 And your sons shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years, and bear the brunt of your infidelity, until your carcasses are consumed in the wilderness. 34 According to the number of the days in which you spied out the land, forty days, for each day you shall bear your guilt one year, namely forty years, and you shall know My rejection.
Ezekiel 4:3 Moreover take for yourself an iron plate, and set it as an iron wall between you and the city. Set your face against it, and it shall be besieged, and you shall lay siege against it. This will be a sign to the house of Israel. 4 “Lie also on your left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it. According to the number of the days that you lie on it, you shall bear their iniquity. 5 For I have laid on you the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days; so you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. 6 And when you have completed them, lie again on your right side; then you shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days. I have laid on you a day for each year."
In Exodus 20 we see work 6 days rest 1, Exodus 23 work the land 6 years rest 1.
So what if 1 day is 1 year and 1 week is 7 years and 69 weeks is 483 years?
Event #1 "the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem" Nisan 445/444 BC.
But we know Daniel and the Jewish people wouldn't have used a Gregorian 365.25-day calendar. They don't even do that today. Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."
2nd Month 17th Day.
Genesis 8: 3 And the waters receded continually from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days (150 days)the waters decreased. 4 Then the ark rested in the seventh month, the seventeenth day of the month, on the mountains of Ararat."
7th Month, 17th Day. (5 months later =150 days means each month is 30 days)
So let's assume Daniel would have used a 360-day biblical calendar.
1 day = 1 year. 483 days (69 weeks) = 483 years of 360-day years.
Now all the Jews had to do is convert the date on their calendar of the year for Event #1 and add 483 years (based on a 360 day calendar to see when Messiah the Prince suffered the death penalty but not for Himself.
We have to do some conversions. 483 years x 360 days per year is 476.0575 years.
445/444 BC- 1 BC =444 years. 1 AD +32.0575 years = 32/33 AD. Nehemiah said Nisan (assuming Nisan 1) + 0575 which is 21 days Jesus would have fulfilled the Passover prophecy at the end of Passover Nisan 22, 32/33 AD.
What this tells us is that the 70th week the 1 week left in the prophecy is exactly 2,520 days or 7 Hebrew years.
Interesting that 1 the Jews haven't received Jesus as their savior so the 70th week hasn't happened yet.
Then in Revelation 11:3 it says
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
(1,260 days is exactly half of 2,520 days or 3.5 Hebrew years)
We see in verses 5-6 these 2 witnesses are invincible. (It's interesting that the LORD in Genesis 18 is accompanied by 2 divine beings, that looked like men but Genesis 19:1 says were angels. We see 2 "men" at the transfiguration, the resurrection, and the ascension in Acts 1) and in Revelation 11 we see two invincible witnesses in verse 7 it says
7 When they (2 witnesses) finish their testimony, (1,260 days) the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them."
Rev 13:1 the beast rises and in verses 4-7 it says
4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?” 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."
42 months is 3.5 years.
1,260 days (3.5 years) these 2 invincible witnesses preach then this "beast" rises and kills them and then Satan the Dragon which is in Daniel 7-8 gives authority to the beast to kill the saints, and blaspheme God and His Temple which is in Rev 11:1-2 being rebuilt for 42 months which is another 3.5 years. Totaling 7 years or the 70th week of Daniel.
Here's another piece of FYI for you. The early church fathers wrote about this topic a lot. Here's what they wrote. Does it mean they were right? No but it looks interesting in light of what we know today.
Barnabas, AD First Century
“Therefore, children, in six days, or in six thousand years, all the prophecies will be fulfilled. Then it says, ‘He rested on the seventh day.’ This signifies at the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus, He will destroy the Antichrist, judge the ungodly, and change the sun, moon, and stars. Then He will truly rest during the Millennial reign, which is the seventh day.” Epistle of Barnabas 15:7-9
Commodianus, AD 240
“We will be immortal when the six thousand years are completed.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 35 “Resurrection of the body will be when six thousand years are completed, and after the one thousand years, the world will come to an end.” Against the Gods of the Heathens 80
Victorinus, AD 240
“Satan will be bound until the thousand years are finished; that is, after the sixth day.” Commentary on Revelation 20.1-3
Methodius, AD 290
“In the seventh millennium we will be immortal and truly celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.” Ten Virgins 9.1
Knowing the days of the years in Genesis 7-8. We see the genealogies from Adam to Jesus not as 4004 Gregorian years but based on a 360-day calendar. From Adam to Jesus was about 3,946 years and from Jesus to today is 2023 = 5,969 years.
0-1000 years = Day 1, 1000-2000 years = Day 2, 2000-3000 years is Day 3, 3000-4000 years is Day 4, 4000-5000 years = Day 5, 5000-6000 years = Day 6. After 6 days or 6000 years are complete the day of rest or 1000-year reign of Jesus begins.
At least that's what the early Church fathers believed. Hope this helps. Take care.
So your saying 30 more years, that's forever from now, i was hoping the return was closer
It's been almost 2,000 yrs.
If Satan is bound, he has a LONG leash.
The world is getting MORE & MORE, evil with each passing day.
No. Global poverty is decreasing. Worldwide slavery is decreasing. Women's rights are increasing. People are living longer and happier lives.
Not to mention, in the past 2000 years, the good news of Christ has reached every corner of the world.
Dear Dr. McDowell, I wish so ever much I could have a discussion with you about this explosive chapter. I have an interesting theory that I would like to share with you. Let me know if it is possible for us to connect at some point in the near future. I have written an entire book on these issues and it includes 40 years of my own personal research. God bless.
A whole book? Wow. Send me a link.
Hold on.
'central' and 'core' mean the same thing, BTW
Watch “from Babylon to America “
@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46
Abraham God's Friend
Jesus the Christ
goats sheep
Matthew 6:20-21. (20. But lay up for
yourselves treasures in Heaven...(21.
For where your treasure is, there will
your heart be also. God bless you!!!
Thanks!
I have not heard the view regarding whether Revelation should even be in the Bible.
That’s a good-but different-question…
@@SeanMcDowell Different, but germane.
Here is one: Panmillennialism. However it will pan out, it'll work for me!
Leaning toward amileniumlism. Revelation is a book to interpret symbolic and not literal.
Eschatology is a challenge. It’s crucial that we pray for the Holy Spirit to help us understand every time we study it. Also, every word and phrase of context about a subject must be considered, as well as all of the intertextuality. Lexicons, word studies, and concordances help too. My favorite Bible with Biblical resources is the NASB lexicon and I parallel that with other popular transitions.
My question for all of us is:
How can we read ALL of the context of the millennial reign and interpret that as post-mil or a-mil? It can only be pre-mil regardless of what we want to believe about the millennium and regardless of what we believe about other Biblical ideas that cause us to accept post-mil or a-mil. It has to be pre-mil. Although we still have free will to accept other views.
Where do you think the non believers come from at the end of the millennium? They get destroyed when Christ returns. How can the kingdom of God be physical when Christ taught that the kingdom of God has come upon us and cannot be observed? When Christ returns death is swallowed up in victory, and death is the last enemy to be defeated. If death is defeated at Christs return, how is death the last enemy to be defeated if more enemy’s pop up over the next 1000 years after deaths defeat?
@@joshjay6765 The Bible is clear that there will be non-Christian survivors after Jesus returns and after Gods wrath. The descendants of those people, after the millennial reign of Christ, will be the ones that Satan deceives and are destroyed as they surround Jerusalem.
@@dadedreamin where does the bible teach that bro? 2 Thessalonians 1 seems to teach they’re destroyed at Christ’s return
@@joshjay6765 There are many who will be destroyed at the return of Christ however there will be leftovers and their descendants enter the story in Revelation 20. This army that Satan rules and deceives is called “Gog and Magog” out of the four corners of the earth, which is confusing because it is absolutely different from the “gog of magog” in Ezekiel.
Christians who have passed before Christs return and those that meet him at his return will reign with him for 1000 years according to Rev 20. The dead who are not in Christ stay dead till after the 1000 years. The “non-Christian survivors” after the return of Christ and Gods wrath will live on and die just like before the return of Christ. They will have 1000 years of descendants that will live and die but there is apparently a lot at the end of the 1000 because it’s a big army that Satan leads towards Jerusalem after the 1000 year reign. God sets them on fire before they can even really be successful and those people along with the “non-Christian” dead from Genesis until this point in the analysis, will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire. Then some really cool stuff that our minds can’t fully comprehend will happen and everlasting peace and joy is our exit strategy.
We have to take advantage when the Bible is simple direct and clear about stuff because a lot of prophecy is mysterious and symbolic which has to be carefully interpreted through broader context and Intertextuality and even then, some stuff is still mysterious. I think what happens is we see so much mystery and symbols that we start forcing simple and direct scripture into being mysterious when it’s not. I’ve been obsessed with eschatology and how to study it for years, and it’s been a humbling but rewarding experience. Let me know if I can help with anything.
@@dadedreamin should we take revelation 20 literally if it doesn’t work with the other teachings in the New Testament? Revelation is a highly symbolic book
The Bible is clear who reigns with him the 1000 years.
The Old name in Greek of Revelation is Apo-Calyphso..Apo is a Real Physical Mountain while Calyphso is Spiritual or Mythical land or Islands just like Man is both Spiritual & Physical.
If you read comments before watching, and you want to learn something about Revelation 20, let me save you 42 minutes and 18 seconds, find a another video. This message or sermon or whatever it was could have been given without reading any scripture. Revelation 20 was just used as a stage prop to demonstrate a topic Christians are divided over to deliver the main point of this talk which is Christians can have disagreements, but they shouldn’t be mean about it. I agree, amen. But the point can be made without having to dodge Revelation 20.
The other takeaway is if you want to know what Sean believes about any given topic where Christians disagree, I guess you’ll have to read his mind. Sean, people want to know what you believe about Revelation 20, that’s why they showed up.
On a positive note, great book recommendation!
With you up until the point you said don't take Revelation literally....numbers or otherwise. We don't have to understand Gods purpose or meaning for the end times for it to be true. And specific numbers are specific to God, even if we think they need to be interpreted differently for a human mind to understand/agree. God doesn't need us to make sense of it nor agree with what is said in revelation.
Shane Willard has a teaching on "The End of Hostility. "
And another thing … 2 Peter 3:8 “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day”. It is obvious that Peter draws this divine principle from Psalm 90:4. Now, although I am not a committed young earth creationist, I nevertheless believe that we have had approximately 6000 years of biblical history thus far. Archbishop Ussher came up with the year 4004 BC for creation and according to the Rabbis we are approaching the year 5783. These are undeniable facts. Hebrews 4:9 encourages us that “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God”. It is easy to conclude, therefore, that the Millennium becomes the seventh day which lasts 1000 years. But, in my opinion, there is something even more significant. Hosea 6 begins like this: "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us; he has injured us, but he will bind up our wounds. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence”. The great diaspora for the Jewish people began in the year AD70. It has lasted approximately two days (2000 years). On the third day, they (and us) will live in his presence.
"The souls of them that were BEHEADED... which had not worshipped the beast...neither had received his mark upon their foreheads" - Revelation 20:4. Apparently they were NOT RAPTURED. There are 12 REFERENCES through Revelation related to BELIEVERS DURING THE TRIBULATION.
It is the millennial reign
The only way to make sense of Revelation Chapter 20, is through an Amillennial viewpoint. This chapter is also written in the same style as Daniel 9:25-27, which is why both are rarely interpreted correctly.
Jesus had previously bound the “strong man” to prevent the devil from blinding the nations to the truth of the Gospel, but in Rev 20:1-3, the devil is specifically bound to prevent his gathering the nations to war against the returning Christ and His Church, before God's timing.
In 20:4, those sitting on “thrones” (meaning they have authority), are all those who preached the doctrine of Christ, the Word of God, to the world (Mark 1:27) from the time of our Lord's First Coming to His Second Coming.
Those who were beheaded (didn't love their life more than Christ, and so the world killed them for their testimony), and those who didn't take the mark (refused to compromise), lost their family relationships, jobs, lands, whatever various tribulations, for the truth of God. These are all the faithful and believing saints from the founding of the church in the wilderness, under Moses, through the Messiah's Church (Rev 15:2-3) until He returns.
In Rev 20:5, the “rest of the dead” these are the unbelievers, because saints of God are never part of the dead (whether their body is alive, or in the grave, because they passed from death to life at the new birth) lived not again (were not resurrected) until the end of the 1000 years - that's the day Christ returns. The dead bodies of those in Christ are resurrected first, therefore, when the bodies of the wicked are resurrected, the First Resurrection has been completed.
Rev 20:6 (like Daniel 9:25 through 27 each expounds on what happened in the previous verse). This passage expounds on verses 4 and 5, further explaining that this resurrection of the dead after the 1000 years (the day Christ returns), are those going to the second death, and this death will not happen to those in Christ's Body (because He's the First Resurrection - 1Cor 15:23), they will continue on into everlasting life.
Then Rev 20:7-8 goes back to expound on verses 1 to 3, and tells us that the devil was loosed from his chains at the right timing to bring the nations against the returning Christ, and His saints (Rev 16:13-14).
Rev 20:9 shows Jesus returning to earth and He is about to destroy the wicked (Rev 14:18-20). Jerusalem here is not the Old “Holy” city, but it is the “beloved” city, His New Covenant saints.
(2Thess 2:8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Rev 20:10 shows the devil tossed into the Lake of Fire forever on the same day of Christ's return, not a 1000 years later.
Rev 20:11 shows the Great White Throne - the judgment of the wicked. (The Judgment Seat of Christ, is where the saints of God have their works judged).
Rev 20:12 shows the wicked standing before God with books (plural) opened, and their works. Then another book (singular) is opened, the Book of Life. This book contains the names of the people who conformed their way of life to follow God's one narrow path. The wicked each wrote their own book, and took many paths, in how they would conduct their life, without regard to their maker, or their fellow man.
Rev 20:13-15 Not just the human wicked, but the rebellious angels being held in the earth (death and hell) are judged too, and cast into the Lake of Fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH, the end of the old creation earth.
Next is the new earth, with the true God - God and the Lamb - to be the light (Rev 21:1-6; 22:3-5), and the old creation is freed from it's God imposed bondage to sin and decay (Rom 8:19-21).
Saving this 29:35
Love the focus on unity and graciousness for differing opinions but disappointed that you never gave your opinion. To me that shows a lack of courage to lose followers and a lack of valuing truth to stand up for it. Same thing for young vs old earth. I watched because I thought I’d learn something from someone I respected but I learned nothing to sway me one way or the other from my premillenial stance. Please don’t be afraid to state your opinion but continue to be gracious and fair about other views.
There’s no fear here. Different motivation. But it’s interesting you’ve interpreted it that way. Thanks for watching.
The point is not what view Sean (or anyone else) takes. It is how we interact. People can hold any of the views of the Millennium Sean mentions without endangering their salvation. Someone who goes nuclear on another Christian for holding the "wrong" view can put himself (and any weaker Christians) at risk, so that is the more important issue.
You mean nobody on this whole planet understands the kingdom of God? Really?
i guess he does not understand how the original readers of Moses' time would have understood the meaning of Gen 1.
G.Grennell In a word! Bunk!! Stand for the truth, a let people join or go away. Jesus did not say to his disciples in Matt 24, this is a secondary issue, stop asking questions and go evangelize...He gave them specific answers, and warned them about being deceived. Why, because He knew that it would be a comfort and hope to them as they experienced the great tribulation, to know the events as they happened, and what to look for along the way as they were being persecuted...they would need that strength. If you skip these matters, you will leave Christians without the critical knowledge they will need to overcome the persecution, and you will waste many chapters of the Bible that the Holy Spirit felt was necessary to include and teach correctly. There is a blessing to reading and understanding Revelation! I'm tired of pastors skipping prophecy because it is divisive...the church is already divided on tons of issues...get the truth out there without being divisive, or fear of division. Paul was more concerned about keeping doctrine pure and true, rather than worrying about if anybody agreed. The truth is singular...find it and preach it! We've had a couple thousand years to get this right...check out the early church fathers...they got it right!
I'm sorry, but this vid should have more likes than this.
I agree and respect your views, however with that said and with regard to your conversation with the lesbian you tuber, in your desire to be diplomatic, it sounded like you lead her to believe God made her to be lesbian, which is contradictory to Romans 1:24-32. It is not our place to judge. but as a Christian apologetic, shouldn’t you have referred her to the scripture, thus giving her the ability to know God’s truth, which is Not women lying with women and men with men, and then she would not have felt her life style endorsed by you. While on this earth, Christ was not afraid to offend.
Pendapat ulama Bahawa Allah dalam tubuh manusia ada lah rekaan hayalan dan Nur Mohamad itu bukan lah Allah,sebab akan me jadikan Allah berbilang daripada ke isaan Allah .Dan theory macam itu ada myth.
Who cares what they think
Luke 12:57
Really easy: The book of refelation is total nonsense.
Although I'm premillennial, I can't be dogmatic about it. In fact, it's best not to be dogmatic. Otherwise, if you're wrong, what do you do then? Walk away from Christ? Or eat crow? I hope the latter for their sake.
'All' in Greek means 'all' 🤣yeah, right, but 'all' what?
The Gospel changes liiiiiiives.. yeah, like every idea does, if you are in to it.
So what has Jesus done for you? And I don't mean the things you read in 'the good book'...
According to amillenialists the beast and false prophet are in the lake of fire now and have been there a long time
yeah for 2000 years!
yep, christians make up lots of contradictory nonsense.
I learned about amillennialism from Bible teacher Steve Gregg of thenarrowpath and he doesn't teach that the beast and fp are in the lake of fire now but that they will be cast into the lake of fire at the second coming on the last day (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54/12:48). He has a really solid study of Revelation for free here on RUclips or on his website TheNarrowPath. 🙂
@@arrowshield9656 some teach that Jesus returned at 70 ad
It's all controversial Sean....
I wonder why there is decent in such issues. John 4:24 Those who worship God *MUST* worship in Spirit and Truth. Not that it is okay to differ as we read "MUST" so the question is for those asserting position say women pastors. Right or wrong to God's truth? Or a young earth vs an Old Earth... Important or not. With the back drop of all the evidence a young earth makes no sense, ah but faith in what God has said trunmps the old earth this rejects God because "I have evidence..." Think about it an old earth view reject what God had said or a way to rationalize not accepting "God said it, that settles it." Why settle it. check out the genealogies from Adam -> Christ and then 2000 years. Even worse for one doubling down n the lie will start to redefine what is a woman, oops sorry what a day is. Yom is a period of time. sure but always in the context, and Gen 1, "So it was evening and morning one Yom, not some day age lie from satan.
But this is all to say, or really question because one person here is saying 'x' is a secondary "Not a salvation issue..." if it is most important to please God Himself, ah obedience to what his nature/spirit/truth are import (again John 4:24). But how does anyone ever justify issue 'x' is not important? Christ said be perfect as I am perfect... So where can one simply reject the Bible's plain text and insert their own thoughts and reasoning...? (1 Tim 4:16 -- Watch closely your doctrine in doing so you save not only your life, but those around you..). Have to question a lot of teaching we hear these days and ask true or false? Can't both. Then again love hearing how people try on so many topics/issues how they try justifying 'x' or 'y' usually from a position that "Well we can't be sure. Okay true, but then why go for one doesn't require God.?
The think i find interesting often those who who i'll get in discussions with on these, most have not studied or really know the Bible all that well, sadly it highlights most are taking a stand on issues in the Bible from more often from ignorance and/or their only opinion. But there is also another problem with the comment we will here "We need to be able to agree disagreeably..." In the end would assert it re-enforces what i would call as a passive aggressive ignorance to help and enable confusion...
haha, to be honest, saw the title and the opening comment from Josh, heard possibly at most 30 second then wrote my comment... Interesting his first two points are what i noted...
If you make everything, a secondary issue, then no argument is left for the primary issue.
Stop reasoning and start reading what the Bible says.
It is not love to endure nonsense. (Matt: 7:23)
Imagine being an omnipotent God and having to depend on limited creatures to spread your word. 🥴
What is zero, anyway?
Our understanding of zero is profound when you consider this fact: We don’t often, or perhaps ever, encounter zero in nature.
Numbers like one, two, and three have a counterpart. We can see one light flash on. We can hear two beeps from a car horn. But zero? It requires us to recognize that the absence of something is a thing in and of itself.
“Zero is in the mind, but not in the sensory world,” Robert Kaplan, a Harvard math professor and an author of a book on zero, says. Even in the empty reaches of space, if you can see stars, it means you’re being bathed in their electromagnetic radiation. In the darkest emptiness, there’s always something. Perhaps a true zero - meaning absolute nothingness - may have existed in the time before the Big Bang. But we can never know.
Nevertheless, zero doesn’t have to exist to be useful. In fact, we can use the concept of zero to derive all the other numbers in the universe.
Kaplan walked me through a thought exercise first described by the mathematician John von Neumann. It’s deceptively simple.
Imagine a box with nothing in it. Mathematicians call this empty box “the empty set.” It’s a physical representation of zero. What’s inside the empty box? Nothing.
Now take another empty box, and place it in the first one.
How many things are in the first box now?
There’s one object in it. Then, put another empty box inside the first two. How many objects does it contain now? Two. And that’s how “we derive all the counting numbers from zero … from nothing,” Kaplan says. This is the basis of our number system. Zero is an abstraction and a reality at the same time. “It’s the nothing that is,” as Kaplan said.
He then put it in more poetic terms. “Zero stands as the far horizon beckoning us on the way horizons do in paintings,” he says. “It unifies the entire picture. If you look at zero you see nothing. But if you look through it, you see the world. It’s the horizon.”
Once we had zero, we have negative numbers. Zero helps us understand that we can use math to think about things that have no counterpart in a physical lived experience; imaginary numbers don’t exist but are crucial to understanding electrical systems. Zero also helps us understand its antithesis, infinity, in all of its extreme weirdness. (Did you know that one infinity can be larger than another?)
Unfortunately, it is in my nature to have zero interest in your argument. 😜
Seriously, though, this seems like equivocation to me. The boxes you mention are not "nothing"; they are boxes. The empty set is not "nothing"; it contains nothing. There is a difference between what something contains and what it is. A box is a box--a thing, whether physically or conceptually, and likewise the empty set.
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Yeah idk why they use the box 📦.
But you and I are 3D and cannot exist without 0D space to exist in.
Leibniz > Newton.
@@ready1fire1aim1 But how can 3D objects exist "in" an infinitesimal geometric point? The whole argument seems akin to the idea of somehow pulling a something out of a nothing: at some point, the "nothing" will be replaced by something disguised as nothing.
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Not even infinitesimal.
No spatial extension.
Zero size.
Exact location only.
Just like quarks.
@@ready1fire1aim1 Noted. And I'd still like to know how we fit "in" it. Now, if you want to claim that 0D is logically prior to 3D, sure. But that's not the same thing.
Either the entire Bible must be interpreted by one chapter in Revelation or the popular understanding of that chapter is wrong.
You're being series??? 🤔
@@amazingbibleantiquities7221 mostly 😉
Indeed Revelation is both Spiritual & Physical, as man is both Spiritual & Physical..The Kingdom of God is in you/us is Spiritual and our Flesh is Physical( need resurrection) so it does need a real with Flesh Physical Kingdom of God with measurements and material constructions and this City will arrive on earth any time in year 2022. Be safe.
*The Enuma Elish would later be the inspiration for the Hebrew scribes who created the text now known as the biblical Book of Genesis.* Prior to the 19th century CE, the Bible was considered the oldest book in the world and its narratives were thought to be completely original. In the mid-19th century CE, however, European museums, as well as academic and religious institutions, sponsored excavations in Mesopotamia to find physical evidence for historical corroboration of the stories in the Bible. ***These excavations found quite the opposite, however, in that, once cuneiform was translated, it was understood that a number of biblical narratives were Mesopotamian in origin.***
*Famous stories such as the Fall of Man and the Great Flood were originally conceived and written down in Sumer,* translated and modified later in Babylon, and reworked by the Assyrians ***before they were used by the Hebrew scribes for the versions which appear in the Bible.***
***In revising the Mesopotamian creation story for their own ends, the Hebrew scribes tightened the narrative and the focus but retained the concept of the all-powerful deity who brings order from chaos.*** Marduk, in the Enuma Elish, establishes the recognizable order of the world - *just as God does in the Genesis tale* - and human beings are expected to recognize this great gift and honor the deity through service.
Google *"Enuma Elish - The Babylonian Epic of Creation - Full Text - World History Encyclopedia"*
Also discussed by Professor Christine Hayes at Yale University in her 1st lecture of the series on the Hebrew Bible from 8:50 to 14:30 minutes, lecture 3 from 28:30 to 41:35 minutes, lecture 4 from 0:00 up to 21:30 minutes and 24:00 up to 35:30 minutes and lecture 7 from 24:20 to 25:10 minutes.
From a Biblical scholar:
"Many stories in the ancient world have their origins in other stories and were borrowed and modified from other or earlier peoples. *For instance, many of the stories now preserved in the Bible are* ***modified*** *versions of stories that existed in the cultures and traditions of Israel’s* ***older*** *contemporaries.* Stories about the creation of the universe, a cataclysmic universal flood, digging wells as land markers, the naming of important cultic sites, gods giving laws to their people, and even stories about gods decreeing the possession of land to their people were all part of the cultural and literary matrix of the ancient Near East. *Biblical scribes freely* ***adopted and modified*** *these stories as a means to express their own identity, origins, and customs."*
*"Stories from the Bible"* by Dr Steven DiMattei, from his website *"Biblical Contradictions"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Biblical Contradiction #2: Did God create the heavens and earth from the formless deep OR did Yahweh create them from the slaying of the primaeval sea monster Leviathan /Rahab?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"*
*"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"*
*"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"*
(Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief)
*"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"*
*"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From?
Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
(Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years)
*"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"*
*"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"*
*"Are The Ten Commandments Based On The Forty-Two Principles Of Maat That Appeared 2,000 Years Earlier? - Ancient Pages"*
*"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"*
*"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"*
*"No, Humans Are Probably Not All Descended From A Single Couple Who Lived 200,000 Years Ago"*
*"Adam & Eve: Theologians Try to Reconcile Science and Fail - The New Republic"*
*"Adam and Eve: the ultimate standoff between science and faith (and a contest!) - Why Evolution Is True"*
*"Bogus accommodationism: The return of Adam and Eve as real people, as proposed by a wonky quasi-scientific theory - Why Evolution Is True"*
*"How many scientists question evolution? - **sciencemeetsreligion.org**"*
*"What is the evidence for evolution? - Common-questions - BioLogos"*
(A Christian organisation)
*"Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - Science"*
*"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"*
*"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
*"Studying the Bible"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
(This particular article from a critical Biblical scholar highlights how the authors of the Hebrew Bible used their *fictional* god as a mouthpiece for their own views and ideologies)
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
*Let's briefly run through the 'ten plagues':*
First the rivers are turned to blood, all the fish die and the waters stink. No one has any water to drink. This lasted for seven days and would have resulted in mass deaths due to dehydration. Amongst the first to die would have been the children. *The author doesn't think to explain how the Hebrews were saved from this. No record of it was made anywhere in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 7:17-25.
This is followed by a plague of frogs which had somehow survived the rivers of blood that had killed all the fish. A mere inconvenience, nothing more, and a big stink when they all died, *but no record anywhere.* Exodus 8:2-13.
Next we have the plague of lice about which very little is said *and of course no record was made.* To a people who would have been accustomed to lice this would probably have been nothing remarkable. Exodus 8:16-18.
Then the flies. Apart from the land being 'corrupted', whatever that means, there don't appear to have been any ill effects from this and they disappear as quickly as they came a few days later. *Nothing worth recording there, obviously.* Exodus 8:21-31.
Now the author seems to begin to lose the plot and describes a 'grievous murrain' *which kills all the Egyptians' cattle, horses, camels and sheep.* ***They all died - hold that thought.*** *No Egyptian historian or keeper of official records deems it worthy of mention.* Exodus 9:3-6.
Next come the boils which afflict everyone and everything, including all the livestock ***even though they had been killed by the 'grievous murrain' a few days earlier,*** *apparently, and yet no-one thought to write anything down anywhere.* Of course, anyone who understood anything about microorganisms and the aeteology of boils would have described this as an infestation with Staphylococcus - the signs of faecal contamination - but the author was obviously unaware of these. Maybe he was just in too much of a muddle by now to care. Exodus 9:8-11.
Now it's hailstones so bad that every plant, every tree, every servant (for servant read slave) ***and even the livestock (that our story-teller has forgotten already that he killed off in the fifth plague before given them boils in the sixth) were harmed.*** It looks like our story-teller has learned from his earlier silly mistake with killing all the livestock too soon then having to resurrect them later. He mentions that some plants survive. Do I smell stinking fish again? *The greatest hail storm in all Egyptian history, apparently, but not worthy of being recorded.* Exodus 9:18-25.
It's the turn of the locusts and it's suddenly obvious why some plants had to survive. *How could the locusts turn Egypt into a barren desert if the hail storm had done it earlier?* Good thinking there. Shame about the earlier boob! *Mysteriously, no Egyptian scribe appears to notice any of this or the inevitable famine and mass starvation which would have ensued.* Exodus 10:4-15.
And for the penultimate trick, it's going to be dark for three days. *No one makes a record of this, obviously.* Exodus 10:21-23.
The last 'plague' is not so much a plague as a ritual genocide. *Here our tale takes a nasty turn and the true character of the Hebrew god is revealed in all its glory - a petty, vindictive, homicidal psychopath who has not yet acquired the omniscience he will be granted later. He kills every firstborn Egyptian in a single night,* ***including the firstborn of all the cattle that died in the fifth plague.*** *For some reason he needs the Hebrews to leave a secret sign so he doesn't kill them too. Weirdly, he can't tell his own chosen people from ordinary Egyptians and doesn't even know where they live.* And he had been leading up to this, apparently, because after every plague he 'hardens the heart' of Pharaoh so that he wouldn't let the Hebrews go. He had actually been planning this genocide all along just to impress people with his powers. *And still no-one thought even this mass killing in a single night worth making a note of in any Egyptian records.* Exodus 12:1-30.
And then, of course, Pharaoh could muster up 600 horses to pull the chariots ***from amongst all the dead livestock from the 5th plague*** (Exodus 14:7).
Google *"Rosa Rubicondior: Origins Of The Exodus Myth"*
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Debunking Christianity: PATTERNS OF POOR RESEARCH- A Critique of Patterns of Evidence:Exodus"*
*"For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth - Archaeology - **Haaretz.com**"*
*"Why the Exodus Story Has Value Despite Being Complete Myth - Psychology Today Australia"*
*"Is the Exodus a Myth? - Worlds Beyond"*
*"Historicity of Exodus and Moses - The Creatively Maladjusted"*
*"Biblical Contradiction #81. When did the Exodus allegedly happen: during the reign of Rameses II (1279-1213 BC) OR in 1447 BC?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Biblical Contradiction #87. Does the god of the Hebrews reveal himself to Moses in Midian OR in Egypt?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Bible Contradiction **#134**. Which Ten Commandments?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Bible Contradiction **#147**. Who writes the laws and commandments on stone tablets: Moses OR Yahweh?"* - by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Ten Reasons Why the Bible’s Story of the Exodus is Not True - by Tim Zeak - ExCommunications - Medium"*
*"Why Moses Did Not Write the Torah - Thomas Shoemaker"*
*"Sargon the Great and Moses - The Word of Me… Wordpress"*
*"The Documentary Hypothesis | Fewer Lacunae"*
*"The Death of the Documentary Hypothesis | Rev. David Bokovoy"*
*"The Neo-Documentary Hypothesis | Rev. David Bokovoy"*
*"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history?"* -- by Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
I am curious as to why you didn’t mention gay marriage, abortion rights, transgender identities as issues that Christians should not be overly divisive about? It seems you were randomly selective in the social moral issues you used to illustrate your point…hmm…🤔
I’ve spoken on all those issues and address each of them in my latest book. I just tried to get a range of issues beyond those tied to sexuality.
@@SeanMcDowell thanks Sean. It seems like you are triaging the importance of doctrines similarly to Gavin Ortlund. I appreciate that approach as well. I also appreciated your clear expose of the three views of Revelation 20. Gavin had a recent short presentation on this and other eschatological issues as well. Both of you are in-sync with each other. 😊
Those issues shouldn’t even exists amongst Christians, sadly many lack basic knowledge of the Bible.
Because those ARE salvation issues. The Bible clearly mentions that those who do such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
if Christ was supposed to come after the millennium he missed his first window by 1000 years and with said he might not be coming again for another 1000 year or even 10000 plus years for now. I can be predictive also. I predict that someone will bring me a pizza in the next year and it will most likely end up being accurate. Bottom line with an unlimited amount of time most predictions will come true and the ones that can't become true will never be questioned by the faithful.
Cool story bro 😂😂
Please avoid making references to popular culture. I stopped watching at the moment when you began to make obscure movie references.
Who is Yaldabaoth in the Bible?
In the Archontic, Sethian, and Ophite systems, Yaldabaoth (Yahweh) is regarded as the malevolent Demiurge and false god of the Old Testament who generated the material universe and keeps the souls trapped in physical bodies, imprisoned in the world full of pain and suffering that he created.
When Pistis Sophia saw him moving in the depth of the waters, she said to him, “Youth, pass over here,” which is interpreted as “Yaldabaoth.”
Passover, Hebrew Pesaḥ or Pesach, in Judaism, holiday commemorating the Hebrews' liberation from slavery in Egypt and the “passing over” of the forces of destruction, or the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites, when the Lord “smote the land of Egypt” on the eve of the Exodus.
Egypt meaning: Temple of the Soul of Ptah.
The things you mention involve huge amounts of sin. We do not shake hands with abject sin for the sake of getting along. You couldn't be more wrong.
Religion exists to divide people. And here Sean is trying to get people, at least those loosely on his team, to get along better. Sorry, God loves some, and demands they look down on others. Just how it's all written. That's the game that system plays. God has favorites and most people aren't in that group. Which group is right will never be known. Why? Because it's all fiction. The only benefit to the system is in the money you can pull from believers to keep them believing.
Such ignorance and beyond! This is religion in a nutshell!
Wow what a great argument. You must be so intelligent.
Jesus is Lord God Almighty clothed in unsinful humanity and He is the author of eternal life to all who trust Him alone for salvation.
This means that saving repentance is realizing that you are a sinner deserving of God's just punishment in Hell and turn (repent) from whatever you trusted in before, if indeed you trusted in anything; to trusting in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation.
We can definitely agree to disagree on the non essentials.