You are watching the complete destruction of an established professional sports franchise. Kill the fan base, then move the team. My guess is that the current commissioner is working to see the Jays franchise relocated to the USA, where he feels they belong. I believe that Son of Rogers and Robert D Manfred Jr have made a secret deal to do just that .........
This management group has absolutely no foresight. The push things (contracts) off so long and try to low ball when they realize time is running out. If they sorted this right after last season, he wouldn't be looking at comps to Soto. Vladdy is not Soto, but he will get north of 340 somewhere. Someone needs to tell Atkins that he works for the Blue Jays.
@MrBlair19727 When he sees all the increasing empty seats and his newly renovated stadium 🏟 (and starts losing boatload of money), maybe that will light a fire 🔥 under his butt to DO SOMETHING to fix this dumpster fire 🔥 of a team
Glad Rogers spent $400 million on that stadium. When Vladdy leaves in free agency revenue will PLUMMET BIG TIME. Their marquis entertainment product will be starting for the NY Yankees.
If Vlad was that valuable to Rogers they would pay Vlad $450. Since they are not thus far, I guess Vlad isn't worth as much as you think. it's not game over without Vlad. just cry into the pillow for a few weeks and eventually we will get past it.
As a fan I could care less about anyones revenue. i'm not the jays accountant. It's very doubtful Vlad ends up with the yankees. But once gone I could care less about who he plays for.
This is the trickle effect of the Soto deal. No player is worth Soto money, but you can at least make the argument for Ohtani that he also is an ace calibre pitcher who brings in revenue. Soto’s deal might kill the future of the mlb. His deal is a decade ahead of its time, should have maxed out at $500 mil. Vladdy is not worth more than $340, but will get a lot more on account of the horrendous Soto contract.
If a team is willing to pay a player $750 million you can bet they expect him to bring in double that in tickets, concessions, and merch sales, so yes they're worth it. They're also looking at what it does for the value of the ball club when they eventually sell it.
So you want soto a worse defender base runner who took a stacked padres team no where and walked a ton soto has yet to hit 1000 ops in a non covid season
If Ross Atkins offered Vladdy a 7 year $150 million dollar contract extension after the 2021 in which he finished second in the AL MVP voting. I am not surprised that he turned it down because that contract was less than what Marcus Semien got from the Texas Rangers (7 years $175 million) after his monster season with the Jays in 2021.
@ if that were true Vladdy would be the one signing Soto’s contract. Both are barely average base runners with suspect defense, so hitting and getting on base is all that’s left.
@@johnsummerhill8323 So his 1 gold glove makes him an overall better player? At least Soto plays a position where running for the ball is actually required, and they will both be full time dh’s in the short future
Math is hard Nick. 150/7 after 2021 in which he earned 700k. The offer would only have four years left now. Back in 2021 that was a really good offer and he would’ve signed another one at age 30.
He's made 42m since then, So that evaluation puts him at 25m the next 4 seasons, 3 of which were FA. Even then, it was probably structured so the FA years were worth more.. Turns out, they were basically dead on based on his performance since, but not the upcoming market. He's lucky he had that post all-star break run, or else he could say any of this and get pity lol
Exactly. We’re talking about a year and a half of out of this world superstardom and 4.5 years of being good to pretty good. That off may have been ‘low’ if Vladdy was 2021 on repeat, but he simply has not been. So then you have to ask yourself, what do the next five years look like? The next 10? This contract is not without risk for the Jays and I wouldn’t give him a blank cheque.
We are a disaster with this front office. Brutal. The rest of the AL EAST has improved greatly and if they don't act now, it could be years before we compete again.
The 7 year offer after 2021 would have covered some arbitration years which are cheaper. Not as bad as it sounds and at that time we had not seen the sohei and Soto contract levels yet.
Considering what has transpired thus far in the offseason, it's evident that there's no real push by the FO to make this team better. The Jiminez trade isn't going to move the needle and it really appears that this was the big move for them. It's time to unload the FO, get some competent individuals to take control and start the rebuild process. Last thing we need is Atkins and Shapiro negotiating trades of our most valuable assets.
If your not gonna extend Vlady ... might as well blow it up. Am thinking reclamation projects like Moncada, Jimenez, Carlson, Hays, Lorenzen, Means, Turnbull ... guys looking for a place just to get reps. Without Vlady or Bo, the middle of the order looks like Varsho, Springer, Kirk.
At this point I’m absolutely speechless . Been watching the Blue Jays since day one …. Wow what a joke this front office is … no words anymore . Sad state of affairs for sure .
ed rogers should sell the team that he has ruined. 2 to 3 years ago Ed rogers should have been more concerned about getting Bo and vlad and teoscar and guriel jr signed long term rather than renovating the rogers center.Now he has gone totally cheap with the players because of the high renovation costs for the rogers center. Ignore the Ohtani Juan Soto B.S they had 0 chance of getting both players but they are cheap when it comes to players especially the loyal players on their team for years like vlad and bo.
This year Blue Jays have to bring up Ricky Tillman and Martinez please shall be on the roster by the beginning of the season. And if they also were smart they would move that shortstop guy from Pakistan to like second base or something for the future because we have bo.
I have been going to an average of 7 games a year because I love this team….. but if they aren’t going to put any money into this team then why would I continue to?? What a joke this has turned out to be.
What I don't understand is how anyone that calls themselves a baseball fan can be surprised by what Vlad said! I'll admit that I'm a little surprised that he said it, but I'm super grateful that he did! But I have been saying since day one that this is how Shapiro and Atkins operate, they have right since their days in Cleveland and now they're going to try to convince everyone that what Vladdy is asking is just absurd and that they're trying so hard and he is just unreasonable. JUST FIRE THE CLOWNS! They have turned the jays organization into an MLB backroom joke
Vlad and Bo need to be traded now. Start the team over again and well I would just sell it. Management is going to be there, obviously Rogers doesnt care about the fans, or else something would be done. Bottom line Rogers needs to look at this- players do not want to play for front office. End of story. You know its bad when Vlad doesnt want to be there. Front office isnt people - friendly. They take a business, and do cuts to high paying workers. They hire cheap labour or soon to be retired players. This is how I would run the business if I was Rogers- 1. Fire GM and Asistant 2. Bring on Joe Carter as GM . Fans love the guy. Assistant would be Mookie Wilson 3. Fire the Manager 4. Hire Joey Votto as the new Hitting Coach. 5. Offer Vlad a contract of 1 year $19 million, with the option to extend it based on his performance of a 10 year extention of $580 million . If he says no, then he would be traded immediately. There's the door. Trade him for Mike Trout in LA. 6. Sign Yasmani Grandal to a 5 year deal. 7. Sign Pete Alonso to a 5 year deal $135 million with a $20 million signing bonus. 8. Sign Joey Gallo as a DH to a 10 year deal based on performance at $200 million . 9. Sign Dylan Carlson to a 3 year deal $75 million 10. Sign Teoscar Hernández to 5 year deal $125 million 11. Sign Justin Verlander as Pitching Coach. 12. Sign Clayton Kershaw to a 2 year $40 million deal 13. Sign Max Scherzer to a 5 year Manager deal. 14. Sign Walker Buehler to a 8 year $170 million deal. 15. Trade Kevin Gausman (pay his salary) to Pittsburg for Paul Skenes 16. Sign Paul Skenes to a 12 year $600 million deal, plus a $10 million a year royalty to the Pirates Fans will love TO once again with the right team and people managing it.
The Toronto Blue Jays Organization is DOOMED. Offering Vlady that LOW Ball Offer AFTER they went ALL-IN for Soto. That resonates to the whole MLB. Time for me to find a new team to cheer for
Strange that the 2021 offer all of a sudden exists. I didn't think they ever offered Vlad anything after that season. All the writers and jays "experts" never said anything about it. But maybe they didn't know.
This tells me that Vlad played like shite on purpose and changed it in May last season so that he can get more, I say get rid of him....his attitude is disgusting. This is him manipulating the situation. He is a first baseman, he doesn't run the bases well, he just hits and that's it. 200 mil in 2021 sure nothing now from my standpoint, let some else take him on. I'm done with Bo, they see that the owner has money; that is taking advantage.
So Shapiro is leaving for 26 season, you would hear around the all star next year. Ross is gone if they don't make the playoffs. And click is I think stell with the jays , he would take over as GM . Rogers has had three CEO since they bought the jays.
If they don't extend Vladdy I will boycott the Jays and Rogers until ownership changes or they show they are serious about fielding a contending team. I will watch baseball still, but not the Jays. I think I will root for my 2nd favorite team and watch them instead, thankfully they have an owner who wants to win which is a radical change for that franchise.
IF he wants and feels he is worth 15 years at $35mil per year ($525mil) do you give it to him because that is what “HE” thinks he is worth? Just because a player wants to be here and we like the player, it doesn’t mean you toss a blank check at him. This was all mismanaged for years and now they have to pay full freight but it doesn’t mean you overpay. You can ALWAYS get a 1B that can hit in the middle of the lineup for under $25mil per season short term. Why commit to Vladdy for 15 years at $35mil?
Never seen such a management group so cheap! They low ball everyone just to say they are in on them. But people take it and twist it into no one want Jays money. When in reality they offer low ball offers not even in the market value of these players they say they are in on. The VALUE VILLAGE of the large market teams!!!!
I see the point. But is this Vlad's fault the Jays suck? I'm sure Vlad has a better chance of winning somewhere else. Mike Trout hasn't won a playoff game. Before last season Ohtani was on a bum team.
Vladdy May regret turning down 340. I don’t think his value is over 400. I think he’s honestly upset over the front office trying to sign Ohtani and Soto. Hopefully things settle down and they come to an agreement. The front office is a joke and if they won’t to save there jobs they need to get him signed asap. Get it done you have the money.
After Shapiro saying vladdy was a good player not a generational player we all should have known they under value him. They always say they’re going to stick to their evaluations but clearly their evaluations suck, look at the jays farm system
🫢 Oh, no, this is absolutely terrible! Sounds like we are heading into a complete rebuild. If this is the direction the team is going, then they must fire Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro. Bringing in a new management team with a new vision, new strategy, and new message to the faithful Blue Jays fans.
Mariners should trade for Vladimir Guerrero and sign him to a $450M/13 year deal ($30M in 2025, and $35M/season for the remaining 12 years). Give him two player options for $25M each, that can bring the total to $500M/15 years, making it a career contract, where he'll play alongside Julio Rodriguez for the next decade and a half. I know the Blue Jays fans won't be happy, but what team is better equipped to pay a fair price for Vlad, and it would keep him out of the AL East, as I don't think the Mariners make this deal unless they plan to backup an armored car to get him long-term in Seattle. I feel for the Blue Jays fans, but he has no supporting cast, no farm system with talent on the horizon, and not enough money in this market to buy their way into contention.
Jays fan here…not livid at all. He’s a very good player but if one guy is gonna take 40-50 mill a year for us to continue to be mediocre whats the point?
He's really already won an MVP (if you took away Othani's pitching that year, Vlad had a better offensive season than him but he doesn't pitch so..) but Vlad has a year like that and happens to run into a once in lifetime Othani doing it both ways. But Vlads season was even better than Donaldsons season when he won MVP back in 2015.
So who replaces his bat? Atkins will trade Vladdy for pennies on the dollar because he is basically a rental headed to free agency and then Atkins will overpay an older free agent for more than Vladdys ask now. The failure was Atkins not signing him to along term contract before this off-season when the Soto sweepstakes raised the bar on power hitters. Atkins lack of foresight, flawed player evaluations and overall inexperience has cost the Jay's one of their best home developed talents in their history because they chose a loser from Cleveland to run the team who hired inexperienced management like Atkins to work underneath him and follow his instructions. Schapiro should be fired and Atkins with him.
If Vlad was offered $340 mil recently I would say that's a fair offer but I think $400 is definitely the max. Vlad is an above average hitter but not the best we've seen. Gets 30 HRs on average and a decent BA. Defense is avg. I wouldn't low ball him but I don't think his is worth a giant payday. On the otherhand, if the dont pay Vlad, what are they left with? Not a heck of a lot.
Im a jays fan , I'm not livid he has made no difference wiyh the jays ,they can totally rebuild this team more without a big contract to vladdy or anyone else
As a soon to be DH, Vlad is not worth the contract he will receive. Ohtani's contract because of its structure & inflation, is actually worth 10yr X $46mil = $460mil. Vlad is going to get a bigger contract than Ohtani. Jays should overpay to sign one of Hernandez or Santander & then immediately move Guerrero to the Mariners for Luis Castillo (3yrs of control). Then scoop up one of Bregman or Alonso, who appear to not have many suitors with the $ to sign them.
When Pat Gillick was here he traded Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez for Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar and guess what happened,we won the world series,trade vladdy and bo now
The team has been mismanaged since A.A. left. If they lose Vladdy it might be a giant step to losing the franchise! I used to share season tickets but don't even watch h them on T.V. anymore. It is just sad.
They offered that when he was making $600k per year and then arb years. That $ value for 7 was fair but the deal would’ve had to been longer to get it done back then
@@JaysTalk89 What I'm saying is offer Bo that $$ now. Get an discounted ext. His value is at an all time low. Vladdy? He's gone man. You can't lose them both. That's gross mismanagement.
7yrs 150m after when he finished second to Ohtani in MVP back in 21 is a joke. Tatis got over 300m with less achievement.. forget about 340m extension which is an insult too. Vlad, go ahead and please test FA so you can get paid handsomely by teams like the Yanks. Rogers better fire everybody from the front office.. same group that push out AA pretty much did nothing since then...
This is what I suspected: the Jays have made offers but Vlad thinks he can do better. Now with the Soto contract, he thinks he is justified to get something similar. Had he done as well as 2021 the last few seasons until this last season, I think he would be justified to a $600+ million contract and 10+ years. So Vlad's price has gone up because of Soto and to some extent Shohei last year. It's too bad things played out this way for the Jays; Vlad having two so-so years for him thus the Jays not extending him to say something like $400 and then having his great season in 2024 but two other FAs setting records. It's up to the Jays now to figure out if a $600 million contract is worth it to them, if they think Vlad can put the kind of season he just had consistently. I'm on the fence whether he can or not and my guess is so are the Jays. At least they are discussing. The thing is that Vlad in a year is the next generational talent to become a free agent and there may not be another coming soon, three years in a row. If he's not extended, he's going to test the market but he needs to put up numbers like Shohei and Soto if he wants that kind of contract. I think he will and if he does, he's going to rival $700 million. What works in his favour is that the Jays were willing to pay that kind of money to Shohei and Soto. That big contract may come to Vlad after the Jays failing two years in a row, so give it to Vlad.
y for 150 was the starting point and is 20 + per year. More than he was worth in 23. Obviously room for a counter offer, you don't start at ta number beyond what the other party os looking for. The outrage at that offer is misplaced. Vladdy is the guy who admitted to other players that he got too fat to hit in 22 and 23. He's simply not a good long term bet regardless of how well he hits every few seasons. Trade him if 340 isn't close to what he's looking for. Let someone else massibely overpay for a 1 tool player.
Vald will not be a Jay next year. This team will remain mid for years as well. It's like the Jays want to be the Miami Marlins. However, the sheep will continue to go to the games, and suffer. It's simple: don't reward bad ownership with money by showing up.
If we are to compete with the Red Sox Yankees orioles we need to spend some money, we may have to overpay for Vladdy and that’s just the business right now.
What has this team won with Vlad & Bo. Wow, Vlad really has a high opinion of himself. Vlad is better than Soto or Ohtani no chance he is. He wants to be paid like either that is never going to happen not from Toronto. I can't stand this management group absolutely embarrassing but its time to trade him because they won't sign him.
This tells me that Vlad is going into free agency 100%
let him go, terrible contract to give him anyway. he's a good player, not a big differece maker
You are watching the complete destruction of an established professional sports franchise. Kill the fan base, then move the team. My guess is that the current commissioner is working to see the Jays franchise relocated to the USA, where he feels they belong. I believe that Son of Rogers and Robert D Manfred Jr have made a secret deal to do just that .........
@@Deke1🤦🏻♂️
No he will be traded by deadline for a haul of players if they won’t sign him
Some other team can eat the crazy amount he wants .
@@Deke1 gotta be joking
This management group has absolutely no foresight. The push things (contracts) off so long and try to low ball when they realize time is running out. If they sorted this right after last season, he wouldn't be looking at comps to Soto. Vladdy is not Soto, but he will get north of 340 somewhere. Someone needs to tell Atkins that he works for the Blue Jays.
Pure incompetence from Shapiro and Atkins, so done with these clowns
How in the world are these guys still employed!
Rogers apparently doesnt care when they plan to sell the team.
@MrBlair19727 When he sees all the increasing empty seats and his newly renovated stadium 🏟 (and starts losing boatload of money), maybe that will light a fire 🔥 under his butt to DO SOMETHING to fix this dumpster fire 🔥 of a team
I miss AA in the worst way right about now.
Faddy Gordero is a five tool player. The five tools are a knive, fork, ladle, bib and crockpot.
#EatYourWayOut
Whoever signs Faddy Gordero is going to have to throw in a free daily buffet lounge. And knee wraps for life.
#EatMorePlayLess
Glad Rogers spent $400 million on that stadium. When Vladdy leaves in free agency revenue will PLUMMET BIG TIME. Their marquis entertainment product will be starting for the NY Yankees.
If Vlad was that valuable to Rogers they would pay Vlad $450. Since they are not thus far, I guess Vlad isn't worth as much as you think. it's not game over without Vlad. just cry into the pillow for a few weeks and eventually we will get past it.
As a fan I could care less about anyones revenue. i'm not the jays accountant. It's very doubtful Vlad ends up with the yankees. But once gone I could care less about who he plays for.
rogers gonna start jacking up those cable and internet prices after the fans stop coming to the games
This is the trickle effect of the Soto deal. No player is worth Soto money, but you can at least make the argument for Ohtani that he also is an ace calibre pitcher who brings in revenue. Soto’s deal might kill the future of the mlb. His deal is a decade ahead of its time, should have maxed out at $500 mil. Vladdy is not worth more than $340, but will get a lot more on account of the horrendous Soto contract.
If a team is willing to pay a player $750 million you can bet they expect him to bring in double that in tickets, concessions, and merch sales, so yes they're worth it. They're also looking at what it does for the value of the ball club when they eventually sell it.
Vladdy has been too inconsistent to warrant more than 350 mill imo
you don't pay big money to a first baseman who is three years away from being a DH with weight issues
Not to mention his immaturity on field and mistakes , and inconsistency at plate , can’t hit in the clutch or bases loaded .
So you want soto a worse defender base runner who took a stacked padres team no where and walked a ton soto has yet to hit 1000 ops in a non covid season
I’m cancelling my Sportsnet subscription.
Well? BYE!
I will never watch jays again
Yes you will…..
Bye. We don't need bandwagon jumpers.
@@johnsummerhill8323 vladdy's the only reason i started watching again tbh
@@renlyackerman Then you are not a true baseball fan. But that's ok.
Been a fan since I was 7 years old(1985). If Vladdy isn't extended, I'M DONE with the Jays!!!
I see vladdy signing with the Mets
If they do they'll have 2 DH's in 10 years. Ain't gonna happen!
@@petercullen2196
You don't know the Mets. They still pay Bobby Bonilla.
😊😅😂😆
That same period, Tatis Jr. signed for 14 yrs $340 mil.
Got to blame MGMT for not getting this done a couple years ago. MGMT should be fired
If Vladdy said no to that back in 2021, then management isn’t the problem here.
Then who?!
thanks juan soto
Hesitant? They haven’t committed to their homegrown super stars so why should any A list player look to sigh up for a desk chair on the Titanic?
Edward, just fire Atkins. Good for YOUR business.
If Ross Atkins offered Vladdy a 7 year $150 million dollar contract extension after the 2021 in which he finished second in the AL MVP voting. I am not surprised that he turned it down because that contract was less than what Marcus Semien got from the Texas Rangers (7 years $175 million) after his monster season with the Jays in 2021.
That actually shows how reasonable the offer was: Semien was older, with a track record. Vladdy could have made $150m and been a free agent at age 28.
Vladdy is worth way more than half of what Soto is - pay the man his maaaynee!
KGB
He is not as good a hitter as Soto but Vlad is a better baseball player
@ if that were true Vladdy would be the one signing Soto’s contract. Both are barely average base runners with suspect defense, so hitting and getting on base is all that’s left.
@carlosgouveia6946 Suspect defence? One of the two is a Gold Glove winner. The other is DH material who now plays for the Mets.
@@johnsummerhill8323 So his 1 gold glove makes him an overall better player? At least Soto plays a position where running for the ball is actually required, and they will both be full time dh’s in the short future
Blue Jays management is making low-ball offers which every fan always suspected.
Thats what they did in Cleveland.
If Vladimir Guerrero is not signed to a long term deal fans should management and ownership to take a hike and not show up to any games.
If he wants to stay what will it take? If $340M isn’t even close that’s scary.
This front office must go ASAP
I knew these guys couldn't handle big market teams like Jays. They are going to have a huge setback next few years.
Math is hard Nick. 150/7 after 2021 in which he earned 700k. The offer would only have four years left now. Back in 2021 that was a really good offer and he would’ve signed another one at age 30.
He's made 42m since then, So that evaluation puts him at 25m the next 4 seasons, 3 of which were FA. Even then, it was probably structured so the FA years were worth more..
Turns out, they were basically dead on based on his performance since, but not the upcoming market.
He's lucky he had that post all-star break run, or else he could say any of this and get pity lol
Exactly. We’re talking about a year and a half of out of this world superstardom and 4.5 years of being good to pretty good. That off may have been ‘low’ if Vladdy was 2021 on repeat, but he simply has not been. So then you have to ask yourself, what do the next five years look like? The next 10? This contract is not without risk for the Jays and I wouldn’t give him a blank cheque.
We are a disaster with this front office. Brutal. The rest of the AL EAST has improved greatly and if they don't act now, it could be years before we compete again.
The 7 year offer after 2021 would have covered some arbitration years which are cheaper. Not as bad as it sounds and at that time we had not seen the sohei and Soto contract levels yet.
I wanted desperately to keep him. But if the price of Shapiro and atkins getting fired is losing vlad then I’m ok.
What would you sign him for? Just curious. Certainly there has to be an amount that you wouldn’t go to.
If he isn’t going to sign , better to trade him before spring training bcuz you will get nothing for him if he plays most of the season
Considering what has transpired thus far in the offseason, it's evident that there's no real push by the FO to make this team better. The Jiminez trade isn't going to move the needle and it really appears that this was the big move for them. It's time to unload the FO, get some competent individuals to take control and start the rebuild process. Last thing we need is Atkins and Shapiro negotiating trades of our most valuable assets.
And get rid of Batman and Robin
If your not gonna extend Vlady ... might as well blow it up. Am thinking reclamation projects like Moncada, Jimenez, Carlson, Hays, Lorenzen, Means, Turnbull ... guys looking for a place just to get reps. Without Vlady or Bo, the middle of the order looks like Varsho, Springer, Kirk.
At this point I’m absolutely speechless . Been watching the Blue Jays since day one …. Wow what a joke this front office is … no words anymore . Sad state of affairs for sure .
ed rogers should sell the team that he has ruined. 2 to 3 years ago Ed rogers should have been more concerned about getting Bo and vlad and teoscar and guriel jr signed long term rather than renovating the rogers center.Now he has gone totally cheap with the players because of the high renovation costs for the rogers center. Ignore the Ohtani Juan Soto B.S they had 0 chance of getting both players but they are cheap when it comes to players especially the loyal players on their team for years like vlad and bo.
This is turning into a nightmare that you just want to wake up from realize that it was just a dream. UGH!!
8/$445million time to show the man some respect
This year Blue Jays have to bring up Ricky Tillman and Martinez please shall be on the roster by the beginning of the season. And if they also were smart they would move that shortstop guy from Pakistan to like second base or something for the future because we have bo.
I have been going to an average of 7 games a year because I love this team….. but if they aren’t going to put any money into this team then why would I continue to?? What a joke this has turned out to be.
welcome to the Angels Vladdy!
What I don't understand is how anyone that calls themselves a baseball fan can be surprised by what Vlad said! I'll admit that I'm a little surprised that he said it, but I'm super grateful that he did! But I have been saying since day one that this is how Shapiro and Atkins operate, they have right since their days in Cleveland and now they're going to try to convince everyone that what Vladdy is asking is just absurd and that they're trying so hard and he is just unreasonable. JUST FIRE THE CLOWNS! They have turned the jays organization into an MLB backroom joke
Vlad and Bo need to be traded now. Start the team over again and well I would just sell it. Management is going to be there, obviously Rogers doesnt care about the fans, or else something would be done.
Bottom line Rogers needs to look at this- players do not want to play for front office. End of story. You know its bad when Vlad doesnt want to be there. Front office isnt people - friendly. They take a business, and do cuts to high paying workers. They hire cheap labour or soon to be retired players.
This is how I would run the business if I was Rogers-
1. Fire GM and Asistant
2. Bring on Joe Carter as GM . Fans love the guy. Assistant would be Mookie Wilson
3. Fire the Manager
4. Hire Joey Votto as the new Hitting Coach.
5. Offer Vlad a contract of 1 year $19 million, with the option to extend it based on his performance of a 10 year extention of $580 million . If he says no, then he would be traded immediately. There's the door. Trade him for Mike Trout in LA.
6. Sign Yasmani Grandal to a 5 year deal.
7. Sign Pete Alonso to a 5 year deal $135 million with a $20 million signing bonus.
8. Sign Joey Gallo as a DH to a 10 year deal based on performance at $200 million .
9. Sign Dylan Carlson to a 3 year deal $75 million
10. Sign Teoscar Hernández to 5 year deal $125 million
11. Sign Justin Verlander as Pitching Coach.
12. Sign Clayton Kershaw to a 2 year $40 million deal
13. Sign Max Scherzer to a 5 year Manager deal.
14. Sign Walker Buehler to a 8 year $170 million deal.
15. Trade Kevin Gausman (pay his salary) to Pittsburg for Paul Skenes
16. Sign Paul Skenes to a 12 year $600 million deal, plus a $10 million a year royalty to the Pirates
Fans will love TO once again with the right team and people managing it.
Sign Joey gallo is insane
A lot of problems are solved by just signing them to Long term contracts. You don't need a 7 year rebuild
The Toronto Blue Jays Organization is DOOMED. Offering Vlady that LOW Ball Offer AFTER they went ALL-IN for Soto. That resonates to the whole MLB. Time for me to find a new team to cheer for
Strange that the 2021 offer all of a sudden exists. I didn't think they ever offered Vlad anything after that season. All the writers and jays "experts" never said anything about it. But maybe they didn't know.
Vlad lying? Hahaha omg
Rosie hit the nail on the head when she said the jays are a shit show
this is corporate baseball management at its best
This tells me that Vlad played like shite on purpose and changed it in May last season so that he can get more, I say get rid of him....his attitude is disgusting. This is him manipulating the situation. He is a first baseman, he doesn't run the bases well, he just hits and that's it. 200 mil in 2021 sure nothing now from my standpoint, let some else take him on. I'm done with Bo, they see that the owner has money; that is taking advantage.
if rogers resigns shapiro, i hope vlad leaves.
So Shapiro is leaving for 26 season, you would hear around the all star next year. Ross is gone if they don't make the playoffs. And click is I think stell with the jays , he would take over as GM . Rogers has had three CEO since they bought the jays.
#ThankYouJohnny
If they don't extend Vladdy I will boycott the Jays and Rogers until ownership changes or they show they are serious about fielding a contending team. I will watch baseball still, but not the Jays. I think I will root for my 2nd favorite team and watch them instead, thankfully they have an owner who wants to win which is a radical change for that franchise.
IF he wants and feels he is worth 15 years at $35mil per year ($525mil) do you give it to him because that is what “HE” thinks he is worth? Just because a player wants to be here and we like the player, it doesn’t mean you toss a blank check at him.
This was all mismanaged for years and now they have to pay full freight but it doesn’t mean you overpay. You can ALWAYS get a 1B that can hit in the middle of the lineup for under $25mil per season short term. Why commit to Vladdy for 15 years at $35mil?
Mets are about to offer Guerro a 10 year 1 billion dollar deal
Are we all in on Joey Votto, though?
Never seen such a management group so cheap! They low ball everyone just to say they are in on them. But people take it and twist it into no one want Jays money. When in reality they offer low ball offers not even in the market value of these players they say they are in on. The VALUE VILLAGE of the large market teams!!!!
Trade him and get something
You can't pay a guy 400-500 million who hasn't won a playoff game..
I see the point. But is this Vlad's fault the Jays suck? I'm sure Vlad has a better chance of winning somewhere else. Mike Trout hasn't won a playoff game. Before last season Ohtani was on a bum team.
@davemartin5735 game 2 against the twins...he got picked off at 2nd..so yes he is part of the reason they suck
@@chronius7057 Nah. that's petty. He is by far their best hitter. What's that say about the rest of the team?
@davemartin5735 he is their best but he's the best of the worst.. doesn't say much...he made way too many bonehead plays last season
@@chronius7057 keep yapping he finished 6th in mvp voting
I told you, Teddy won't pay. Vladdy is the heart and soul.
Vladdy May regret turning down 340. I don’t think his value is over 400. I think he’s honestly upset over the front office trying to sign Ohtani and Soto. Hopefully things settle down and they come to an agreement. The front office is a joke and if they won’t to save there jobs they need to get him signed asap. Get it done you have the money.
After Shapiro saying vladdy was a good player not a generational player we all should have known they under value him. They always say they’re going to stick to their evaluations but clearly their evaluations suck, look at the jays farm system
The 7/150 was buying 4 years of arbitration as well. You have to consider that
It is called negotiations. Comment when it is over. Not now.
Say goodbye to Vladdy 😮😂
Buys out his arb. Very reasonable offer.
I'm getting the impression that the front office doesn't like Vlad and lowballing him so he leaves.
Losing Vladdy would be like losing Roy, Roberto and Olerud put together!!!
🫢 Oh, no, this is absolutely terrible! Sounds like we are heading into a complete rebuild. If this is the direction the team is going, then they must fire Ross Atkins and Mark Shapiro. Bringing in a new management team with a new vision, new strategy, and new message to the faithful Blue Jays fans.
Mariners should trade for Vladimir Guerrero and sign him to a $450M/13 year deal ($30M in 2025, and $35M/season for the remaining 12 years). Give him two player options for $25M each, that can bring the total to $500M/15 years, making it a career contract, where he'll play alongside Julio Rodriguez for the next decade and a half. I know the Blue Jays fans won't be happy, but what team is better equipped to pay a fair price for Vlad, and it would keep him out of the AL East, as I don't think the Mariners make this deal unless they plan to backup an armored car to get him long-term in Seattle. I feel for the Blue Jays fans, but he has no supporting cast, no farm system with talent on the horizon, and not enough money in this market to buy their way into contention.
Jays fan here…not livid at all. He’s a very good player but if one guy is gonna take 40-50 mill a year for us to continue to be mediocre whats the point?
What are the blue jays doing? Obviously they are not gonna sign Vlady or Bo! Just trade them now! Don’t let them walk and get nothing in return
If vladdy thinks he’s worth more than 340mil he’s gotta win an mvp or get your team to the playoffs
He's really already won an MVP (if you took away Othani's pitching that year, Vlad had a better offensive season than him but he doesn't pitch so..) but Vlad has a year like that and happens to run into a once in lifetime Othani doing it both ways. But Vlads season was even better than Donaldsons season when he won MVP back in 2015.
And then how’d ‘22 and ‘23 go? He was equivalent to a Yandy Diaz down season. The top paid guys are MvP guys every season.
@@Flexb123 he had ONE good year, and last year he got hot as usual when the team is out of the race
So who replaces his bat? Atkins will trade Vladdy for pennies on the dollar because he is basically a rental headed to free agency and then Atkins will overpay an older free agent for more than Vladdys ask now. The failure was Atkins not signing him to along term contract before this off-season when the Soto sweepstakes raised the bar on power hitters. Atkins lack of foresight, flawed player evaluations and overall inexperience has cost the Jay's one of their best home developed talents in their history because they chose a loser from Cleveland to run the team who hired inexperienced management like Atkins to work underneath him and follow his instructions. Schapiro should be fired and Atkins with him.
He's worth what the Mets are willing to pay him...Soto isn't worth $805 million but he is in Mets world.
Slow down dude, seriously it will benefit you and the listener/viewer
If Vlad was offered $340 mil recently I would say that's a fair offer but I think $400 is definitely the max. Vlad is an above average hitter but not the best we've seen. Gets 30 HRs on average and a decent BA. Defense is avg. I wouldn't low ball him but I don't think his is worth a giant payday. On the otherhand, if the dont pay Vlad, what are they left with? Not a heck of a lot.
FIRE THE FRONT OFFICE ALREADY DAMN...what the hell is rogers doing???
I guarantee the floor does not start with a 4. It likely starts with a 6.
If I was Vladdy, I wouldn’t re-sign with the Jays , he can do better somewhere else and get the money he wants.
Im a jays fan , I'm not livid he has made no difference wiyh the jays ,they can totally rebuild this team more without a big contract to vladdy or anyone else
As a soon to be DH, Vlad is not worth the contract he will receive. Ohtani's contract because of its structure & inflation, is actually worth 10yr X $46mil = $460mil. Vlad is going to get a bigger contract than Ohtani. Jays should overpay to sign one of Hernandez or Santander & then immediately move Guerrero to the Mariners for Luis Castillo (3yrs of control). Then scoop up one of Bregman or Alonso, who appear to not have many suitors with the $ to sign them.
When Pat Gillick was here he traded Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez for Joe Carter and Roberto Alomar and guess what happened,we won the world series,trade vladdy and bo now
Do a 3-team deal that sends Bichette and brings Correa. Sign Bregman. Trade Vlad to Mets for Vientos and Marte or to the Red Sox for Casas and Abreu.
It’s going to cost a lot more than 400 .
I would trade vladdy and bo while they are worth something but I would fire Atkins first
Shapiro and Atkins will keep fans away from the ballpark for the next 10 years - I'm so done with this team.
The team has been mismanaged since A.A. left. If they lose Vladdy it might be a giant step to losing the franchise! I used to share season tickets but don't even watch h them on T.V. anymore. It is just sad.
$150 over 7yrs is what they should be offering Bo Bitchette. GuererroJr? He's going to free agency.
They offered that when he was making $600k per year and then arb years. That $ value for 7 was fair but the deal would’ve had to been longer to get it done back then
@@JaysTalk89 What I'm saying is offer Bo that $$ now. Get an discounted ext. His value is at an all time low. Vladdy? He's gone man. You can't lose them both. That's gross mismanagement.
@@SmoothBrownMan I highly doubt that locks up Bo. If 7/150 would get Bo extended I imagine that would already be signed this offseason.
And this is why they can’t sign a good FA … they can’t even resign the face of the franchise
Fire them and reset the leadership or Say good bye to jays nation, Vladdy deserve a better team ownership.
7yrs 150m after when he finished second to Ohtani in MVP back in 21 is a joke. Tatis got over 300m with less achievement.. forget about 340m extension which is an insult too. Vlad, go ahead and please test FA so you can get paid handsomely by teams like the Yanks. Rogers better fire everybody from the front office.. same group that push out AA pretty much did nothing since then...
You have no sense of reality.
They were buying out rookie years and arb years for 7/150 that’s alright AAV but the term is a little shocking
He needs to go to free agency
This is what I suspected: the Jays have made offers but Vlad thinks he can do better. Now with the Soto contract, he thinks he is justified to get something similar. Had he done as well as 2021 the last few seasons until this last season, I think he would be justified to a $600+ million contract and 10+ years. So Vlad's price has gone up because of Soto and to some extent Shohei last year. It's too bad things played out this way for the Jays; Vlad having two so-so years for him thus the Jays not extending him to say something like $400 and then having his great season in 2024 but two other FAs setting records. It's up to the Jays now to figure out if a $600 million contract is worth it to them, if they think Vlad can put the kind of season he just had consistently. I'm on the fence whether he can or not and my guess is so are the Jays. At least they are discussing. The thing is that Vlad in a year is the next generational talent to become a free agent and there may not be another coming soon, three years in a row. If he's not extended, he's going to test the market but he needs to put up numbers like Shohei and Soto if he wants that kind of contract. I think he will and if he does, he's going to rival $700 million. What works in his favour is that the Jays were willing to pay that kind of money to Shohei and Soto. That big contract may come to Vlad after the Jays failing two years in a row, so give it to Vlad.
y for 150 was the starting point and is 20 + per year. More than he was worth in 23. Obviously room for a counter offer, you don't start at ta number beyond what the other party os looking for. The outrage at that offer is misplaced. Vladdy is the guy who admitted to other players that he got too fat to hit in 22 and 23. He's simply not a good long term bet regardless of how well he hits every few seasons. Trade him if 340 isn't close to what he's looking for. Let someone else massibely overpay for a 1 tool player.
Trade his ass to the Athletics!
450m for ten years might get it done. 340m is low.
Vald will not be a Jay next year. This team will remain mid for years as well. It's like the Jays want to be the Miami Marlins. However, the sheep will continue to go to the games, and suffer. It's simple: don't reward bad ownership with money by showing up.
He is not worth 300 million, trade the bum. He only performs when Jays have no shot at post season and the pressure is off
Shatkins moved him to 1st to deminish his value
Vlad moved to 1st cuz he sucked at 3rd. Brought in a real 3rd base in Chapman.
Jays are managing to have a worse off-season then last year
Shapiro was brought in with one thing in mind. Trim everything. This is why AA left different philosophies Rogers need to can them now!
If we are to compete with the Red Sox Yankees orioles we need to spend some money, we may have to overpay for Vladdy and that’s just the business right now.
What has this team won with Vlad & Bo. Wow, Vlad really has a high opinion of himself. Vlad is better than Soto or Ohtani no chance he is. He wants to be paid like either that is never going to happen not from Toronto. I can't stand this management group absolutely embarrassing but its time to trade him because they won't sign him.
Shapiro and Atkins have no idea how to run a ML Baseball team. Both need to go.
Given up the jays I’m following the Yankees never a disappointment
How about the Mets. Vladdy will be a Met next year. Vladdy/Soto will be an impressive duo.
I like that 😮