In this video, I was confused by Evan Rachel Wood's gestures. I have since come to learn what may be happening in this interview. ruclips.net/video/mWtO_ybzxZQ/видео.html
You should do Cassidy Hutchinson! That was hilarious, she looked like she just lost her whole family in a fire ...or someone threatened her whole family with a fire!!
Evan's brother said that she has trouble distinguishing between reality and fantasy. Also, she used footage of their "art" together as if it was real life. I wonder if that makes it harder to read her?
I have been wondering also if doing movie versions of DV and SA makes it easier to lie? Plus, on top of that, I have read a few articles where the Me2Movement leadership were looking for powerful males to bring down to come against the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" and Manson would be the easiest mark because of his persona.
I will add that she was making her own documentary, so she was already in "acting mode" and if she is lying she would be in double-acting mode (interview about acting) now and would also have been acting back then for her art.
Regardless of anything she says and does... I don't like how she (and Amber did it too) decided to wear those old-fashioned, all buttoned-up, grandma-style Puritan clothes. I get that they're trying to evoke a sense of innocence that way but... to me, it feels unnaturally stiff and too "agenda".
Whether you believe her allegations or you don't, it's not justice to destroy a person's life via social media without due process and based on nothing more than hearsay.
@A. W. M. And yet, as we've seen from the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp trial, truth is a relative term to some people (hint: they use it synonymously with lies).
@A. W. M. Did you see the trial? I was referring to a statement from Heard on the stand where she said she uses 'pledge and donate synonymously' to obfuscate, rather badly, that she lied about donating her divorce settlement to charity.
She’s doing this before the trial to gather more public sympathy because she knows very damn well her accusations won’t stand in court and she’ll probably lose , that’s why she’s exploiting the whole thing before it blows up in her face
I agree. She may have to take the wrath as AH did, when it is all over. Is she going to blame everyone but herself too. Will she be a better at acting, on the stand? I wonder if this one will be televised. That is the best thing that ever happened to the Depp/Heard case. The mainstream media had a hard time trying to spin it, and got backlash for it.
I agree. trying to win in the court of public can backfire, just as it did for heard. I believe that Manson is facing a bigger uphill battle than Mr. Depp did, simply because of his music, the way he looks, his so called "reputation," etc., while remarkably unfair, it's just the reality of the situation, not to mention he has multiple accusers. he also has multiple defenders. this interview is not doing her any favors. I do understand nervousness and being uncomfortable with discussing the subject matter, however, she just doesn't come across as believable.
More like AH decided to call her own shots and drastically exaggerate her claims without the proof behind it. It was down to credibility and she blew the case all by herself. Very hard for the attorneys to defend a rogue client.
For me I can choose to gove both sides the benefit of the doubt as that's what we do here in the US of A. It used to be anyway but for me I will await to see what comes of their court case. The JD and AH case was very different we had audios with her admitting to abusing Johnny.
@@tqueen7131 I feel a little ashamed of myself for being so angry at Johnny and then realizing how their relationship really was. It's hard to know until you hear both sides of the story. I do know that it is much more likely that you will be abused if there is an age gap.
To her, life is an act and shes playing a part. Listen to how other actors talk about their past characters and you'll see what I mean. They speak in generalities like you said since they are playing a part in a production.
She sounds more like an activist than a victim. What strikes me as odd is that I would think a victim would not want her experience generalized because it’s so personal to them. But she seems to want to stress how important her case is in a larger social context. And why is she constantly rocking back and forth?
Stepford wives have a prim and fancy dress style. Accentuating their femininity. She is more muted and covered, and it looks like she is going out of her way to downplay her femininity. I don't get Stepford from her at all. She isn't dolled up in any way really. That could be because she's mistakenly thinking that she will appear credible if she has a more reserved look. It seems deliberate and calculated but I could be wrong.
Most victims do not want to talk about what happened to them. There’s nothing eager in doing so, not even with a therapist, which is why it’s hard to believe her story.
You can see the “Revenge” in her eyes, sorry but me as a DV and SA survivor, I never thought of revenge, I just wanted away from it, never wanted to think about it, and the thought of even seeing him again makes me nauseous, definitely I’ve never smiled or laughed about it There’s way to much excitement in her eyes🤩
As a DV and a SA survivor, i wanted revenge!! I delighted when something bad happened to him or was Said about him. I wanted vengeance and justice. I also wanted him de@d! People process differently
I see revenge and jealousy in her eyes. He’s moved on and is married and has a new album. ERW sowed her youthful wild oats with MM, intentionally, and now she has regrets about it and wants to change history and say he caused it. She was not a “baby” as she says; she was a promiscuous, savvy, 19-year-old woman who had already made some racy films and had been with a boyfriend (that she later married and had a son with) and with a 30-something man, the actor Edward Norton, before she even met MM. Narcissists want their story to play out the way they want it to. They want to be the hero in their own story no matter who it hurts.
100 percent. Someone who survived a psycho knows revenge is pointless but also unattainable, a psycho abuser needs only the smallest of attention to start obsessing about you all over again. A survivor is weary of giving the person any oxygen or attention and simply wants self protection and to become invisible for their own safety. You don't get gleeful or vengeful
@@peakydene1943 yeah, how much would she have hated it if The View producers put up a relationship timeline on a big screen showing the time of Edward Norton and then the fella she dated and returned to after Manson to then marry and have a kid with
@@fogweaver5633 but she can go die in war. Lol. A 19 year old is not a minor. The age of consent varies from state to state but is usually around 16. Aside from LAW, 19 is old enough to know better. I'm not saying that she wasn't abused, I don't know that, but her claim of being a minor child at 19 holds absolutely no validity.
@@CCo15757 of course , I think that's part of the reason why she keeps referring to herself as a child or minor. She's shifting any blame she could have for any of her actions at that time onto him. It's gross
IMO she’s enjoying the limelight. People who were around ERW and MM, on a daily basis when they were together, have stated that she seemed extremely happy and appeared to be living her best life when she was with him. She may have been 19, but she was not some meek, naive girl. She had been playing “Lolita” type roles in film for years and even a part where a student falsely accuses her teacher of SA. And before she met MM, she with her first boyfriend (who she later married) and was was also with Edward Norton, who was in his 30s, when she was 16-17. She says that MM approached her; however, I don’t know how true it is, but I did read that she had been a fan of MM for years and went to an adult party at the notorious Chateau Marmont for the express purpose of meeting MM. She wanted to be in one of his music videos. This all just appears to me as someone who has some regrets about their youthful indiscretions and wants to rewrite history and blame someone else. She appears to be playacting here on The View, and comes across as somewhat too cheerful and vague about something that should have been devastating to her if it really happened to her. Like AH read up on all the symptoms of PTSD and then checked them all off as if she experienced them all personally, ERW appears here as though she researched everything about how abusers groom and treat their victims and is lecturing us all about how it works. She wants to be the poster child of the abused, just like AH. She’s just a better actress. No woman had accused MM of abuse before ERW and her activist friends started a campaign of contacting women for this purpose, including forging an FBI letter to get to some of them. MM had had been married before and had had many longtime relationships with women-both romantic and platonic-where they said he is a “chump” with women and respectful. He was even engaged to Rose McGowen, of the #MeToo Movement, who said he was never abusive. I don’t know what’s come over some of these women, but IMO AH and ERW have mental issues and narcissistic traits and they are selfishly ruining what good the #MeToo Movement did for women. ERW’s ex-husband doesn’t believe her and her brother says she has always been extremely narcissistic.
She approached him as a fan. He helped her get into the industry later in their relationship. At his house he is no longer Marilyn Manson. He was Brian because that is who he is. Manson is his stage persona. His character. He is also an introvert like JD, albeit a talkative one. Just like Jack Sparrow is a character and JD is himself off screen. For more information on Manson saga look up Colonel Kurtz who is one of those who have been delving deep. She has interviewed a number of his exes. Some will be surprised to hear that police are interviewing them after the interviews as one or more of them were approached to create stories of abuse by Manson.
I watch her. She is really good . ERW used her hoax to say she was so afraid she had to leave and move far away. That was how she was able to take her son away from his father using a hoax so the father was unable to prevent it.
I am so tired of people bei g treated as guilty and having to prove innocence like Communist China. There are too many inconsitencies in this case. So i will continue looking into information that is out there and hopefully the truth will out.
@@raspberrysherbet5285 he has never been a paedophile. Prepubesent children is what paedo's like. I have always found that those that accuse without evidence tend to be the ones actually doing the crimes. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law has always been western nations methods. Suddenly communist systems? Guilty and to prove ones innocence? Tsk tsk tsk. Hope this does not occur with you.
I'm not a huge Manson fan. I own his first album and that's it. I don't know what to make of this. I'm only halfway through and idk. 1) She's dressed like a puritan. It seems like she is trying to put as much distance between Manson's persona and her's as possible. 2) She called herself a minor when talking about making the video but she was 19. Not a minor. 3) "He gave me drugs". I remember 19, it didn't take much arm twisting for me to smoke some weed, drop some acid, or do line or two. Seems like refusing to take responsibility for her choices. Gonna finish it now.
Yeah I also noticed her calling herself a minor as well. She should know full well she was legally an adult. And from what I remember she was a wild girl back then. Like she was always very mature for her age, but I thought it was just kind of know she was into drugs and being rebelious. And so when she said he got her to do drugs, I think that's quite a different story from what actually happened. I think it's very likely she's editing the story to fit a narrative. She very likely did the drugs willingly, and probably even did them before meeting Manson. I almost get the feeling shes re-written what happened, with a new perspective where she was this young and innocent MINOR and that because of that she couldn't possibly have consented regardless of whether she was a willing participant in the drugs and sex. And btw, (in reference to a comment Evan made here) if Manson ACTUALLY raped her on a video set, the LAST thing he would do is imply the sex was real in an interview. The vast majority of people who are guilty of something will stay as far away from the crime as possible (verbally speaking). Idk. Something just feels off. And the sheer joy on her face really bothers me.
This whole thing is disturbing. When/why did we start destroying peoples lives without concrete evidence? She said that she came forward with this before he ruined someone else's life. Does her life seem ruined? This kind of crap means that anyone who wants to can destroy you just because they want to...no evidence needed.
Nope.. her life wasn't ruined, except for maybe by making these false allegations & commitmg crimes to falsely accuse him lol He's been with the same woman for years & now married to her. It's absolutely disturbing, it's vile & disgusting... people just automatically believe a sad story, before even considering to look at allllllll the evidence, facts... and in this case there's so many facts pointing to this being a orchestrated false attack. I just don't understand. Can we just point a finger at someone and say "They murdered someone" and everyone just believe it? Of course not. The women who believe we should just believe all women simply because.. are lying to themselves. We women know there are vile, succubus women out there who will do anything for fame, revenge, wealth.. whatever lol Did everyone forget Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.. sheesh.
Im soooo thankful I grew up in 70s ! with social media, you are right, you can just go on the internet and destroy someone with words! I worry about anyone that has Sons. To think this Amber Heard clone can end up dating our sons is so scary
We are also in a time where journalistic integrity is dead. If one publication writes about something, the others will parrot the first without doing any investigating or fact checking. The media just wants to be the first to report something, not the most accurate. It can be super easy for a liar to play them based on those rules.
J'accuse started w/ MeToo attacking men. The point is erasing presumption of innocence. It will spread. Theyve bred a populace of tattle tales, and vicious liars.
Submitting false charges just to get revenge or hurt someone else has been being done for a very long time... some people get caught, some don’t. Depp v Heard was SO GOOD for exposing these nasty moves- I really hope some good comes of it.
I was shocked when she began to speak because it's opposite to how she's visually styled herself (manipulatively: demure, conservative, maybe shy or retiring). She seems very animated, slightly aggressive. The interviewer says EVR was "ONLY nineteen"? Nineteen years old is old enough to know what you're doing. If she was sixteen that would be another thing, but at 19... sex and drugs and rock n' roll. Whether or not she was abused, she stayed in the relationship because she was getting something out of it. She wasn't isolated from family, friends or career. She could come and go as she pleased. She wasn't held captive physically or financially. "Celebrities" and people with money (paraphrasing her friend AH) have resources that so many abused women don't have. Women who are truly stuck in the damaging and sometimes fatal relationship. Women who are heinously abused, women with children and no financial resources to leave. Very different.
"ONLY 19"?? hell, i was graduated from college/university by the time i was about to turn 20. i also worked in the show biz, so i get it. I'm sure they had fights etc, but for me personally, it was all thrown out the window when the FAKE FBI thing happened
Thank You! She wants us to believe she thought Marilyn Manson was a choir boy.. not saying he abused her.. but she chose to get into a relationship that was sex, drugs & rock n' roll. She absolutely wasn't isolated from friends & family.. she was working professionally throughout their career.. MM & She visited her parents often, MM/ERW took a trip to Disney world with her parents.. far from isolated. And yes for goodness sake.. I was violently Abused for almost 6 years.. I had no way to leave, no money, nowhere to go.. if I went to my mom's he just followed behind me putting her & my baby sis who is 10 years younger than me & was 15-19 at the time in danger. I can assure you, you know immediately when your Abused. It's doesn't dawn on you 10+ years later in the middle of a metoo Era. It's not something you have to realize... and the fact that it happened with her & all the other accusers is so, very telling. Esme's story... is truly absurd. She was a BSDM model who hung from meat hooks in her back.. that's why he hired her for the video. She agreed to come to the US to film the video.. she was made full aware of what the content would be. She says he abused her the last day of the video shoot... but she then stayed in the US & DATED HIM for almost 2 YEARS. Part of her claim now is that he trafficked her. It's just crazy.
I saw an interview where someone said she was 19 and had recently left her parents stricter lifestyle and when she got with him she went kinda wild. Did some things she’s not proud of now. There is a huge difference between r@pe and regret. I don’t know what happened or if she’s truthful/lying. These people who were around her at the taping of that video said she was happy and they didn’t see anything “bad” happen during filming.
I have heard lots of conflicting information so what I would love is a timeline with supporting evidence. If she was 18 or older, that's an adult. My gut tells me that she got together with him BECAUSE he was the bad boy. That doesn't mean that he didn't do bad things but it does mean that the beginning of her story is not accurate which throws everything else into question.
I believe she used the word teen which eighTEEN and NineTEEN are to many considered a teen now a days it's called young adult I think. I consider it an adult but have heard many use it this way especially back home
In the 90's, I thought Manson was evil: he looked scary AF, and most of his music, especially music clips was, to me, were horrific! Then, I saw some interviews he'd done and my perception of him changed. It was a growth moment for me, to not judge someone by looks alone with out learning more about the person. Still not a fan of his music, but respect his intelligence. And these accusations came out,.....and now I'm confused. Knowing he is a friend of Johnny's confuses the matter more. Johnny is such a good soul, it's hard to imagine him being friends with someone, allegedly, like that.
Check out videos by Colonel Kurtz. I've never been a fan of Marilyn Manson, but Colonel Kurtz interviews several longtime friends of MM, and I now believe there MAY be some Amber Heard-type story telling going on by Evan Rachel Wood.
He's dirt. Absolutely obsessed with darkness and sado masochism. Many serial killers were intelligent people. To my mind his only redeeming feature is the (erroneous) myth that he is the actor that played Paul in TVs Wonder Years.
Check out all the info on this case on these channels.. it's truly an awful plan they created. Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor has different kinds of video covering the case. Colonel Kurtz has interviewed MMs exes, roommate, & the girl in the groupie video ERWs girlfriend told ever he killed. Lawyer Limor just made a video on the case Manson recently filed. ERW & her girlfriend have broken many laws to falsely accuse him. It's astonishing, in a bad way.
Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson have been friends since JD was in his teens and he was playing in a band and Manson also played the same clubs. Coronel Kurtz happens to be very knowledgeable about both of these cases and she also brings a lot of other people to help with the analysis.
I am a survivor, I plumbed the depths of the suicide abyss, there wasn't a day for 38 years that I didn't want to go on. I am living with a few disabilities resulting from suicide attempts broken back from jumping from a building a bad heart from overdoses etc. Today, with the help of my children life has got better. My point is she didn't really answer a thing, she spent the whole time talking about how she thinks others feel but she doesn't know. She came across as a disingenuous fraud.
Thank you for sharing your story. I personaly have never experienced any troubled times so far, so it is hard for me to reference or compare this to anything. It helps reading different oppinions about this case
I never quite trusted her...even though I wanted to believe her. Like Amber, there's just something off. I thought that about Evan before I'd even heard of Amber
Check out these channels- Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor. Lawyer Limor just made a video about the case Manson found against her and Illma Gore. It's nothing less than insane lol
I’d like to see you analyze her Feb 2018 testimony to the House Judiciary Committee about her experiences. It’s a lot less polished & would possibly give you more to work with.
When Evan describes grooming, she explains as though she has advanced experience using the grooming tactics that she describes so cheerfully, and animatedly.
I am not saying this is the case; however... If I could only tell you the things I did, choices I made from 18 through 23.... Oh Lordy. Does anyone think, she is regretting her behavior of her younger years? Projecting her self anger and self disgust in this ?
@@MissaPality -To me she lost all credibility when I heard about how she & her partner Ilma Gore (a known con artist), faked a letter from the FBI, & hacked into Mansons computer & tried to download some disturbing illegal content involving children, in order to frame him. If she were really telling the truth then she wouldn't need to go faking evidence like that in order to ruin Manson.
@@kirstyfairly4371 absolutely! I have to be skeptical when they are trying to plant evidence to ruin someone. If they were as they say, they wouldn't have to plant it to get him in trouble. What is this world coming to that they have to manufacture evidence to convict someone? What kind of people are these people but con artist and grifters to do that for money? That ruins a person's life.
@@reginafetty6374 -Exactly, it's insane how easy it is for people to ruin another person's life with nothing more then an allegation, & they rarely ever get punished for it if they end up caught making false claims.
I don't follow either party involved in this accusation, so this is the first interview I've seen from her. I also take these types of accusation wih a grain of salt since I have known a couple of males that have been falsely accused.. The interview didn't give any real substance to her abuse accusation. She spent most of the time reiterating what a psychologist may tell a victim instead of talking from a personal perspective. There is nothing in this interview that made me believe her.
Her Phoenix Rising documentary is a detailed account of her side of this story. Until the trial, when both sides are actually on the stand and under examination…and we get both versions to deliberate…who knows?! Both sides do have compelling facts, but I do not think she is lying and playing a victim, just because AH was lying and played a victim. I also don’t think MM is innocent, just because he is friends with JD. This is a totally different case, and the abuse accusations are much more sinister in this case. MUCH more sinister. Luckily, there were many witnesses on the set of Heart Shaped Glasses, and their testimonies will be compelling.
I cannot stand her saying she was a minor at 19 years old. You are not a fucking minor at 19. Also, I am a recovering addict and i will tell you that anyone who does drugs does it of free will. Unless someone holds you down and puts the drug in your body somehow. Of course, you are going to have someone introduce you to drugs but that doesn't mean you have to do them. I get so tired of people blaming others for their own decisions such as drugs use. I think she did things that she regrets and now she wants to say it was abuse. I also think that others have gotten into her head and told her that it was abuse which makes her actually believe it was. It's hard for me to understand why someone would stay in an abusive relationship like she describes unless for financial reasons, kids or being completely alone if they were to lose their abuser. I stayed in an abusive relationship because of financial reasons and because he alienated me from everyone. I had literally nobody and the fear of being alone was worse than the abuse I endured. I hate to say it didn't happen because it could be possible, but I just get this really weird feeling in my stomach when I hear her speak.
Eh - she is a minor with regard to alcohol in drugs in the US. And the number one drug used for SA is alcohol and intentionally overserving. (I would find her statement about being a minor more problematic if she were trying to lie about her age being 19, but she never has). I'm not arguing that I know what happened, but I know more women than I care to know that this happened to -- and if you add in polysubstance use or slipping drugs in - it definitely blurs consent a great deal. As a woman, I personally stopped being willing to use alcohol on first dates, or if I had one or two drinks, I warned my dates that it would mean I was pre-emptively not consenting to anything physical in advance. This was just a personal choice I made after noticing that far too many men in my binge drinking state would try to overserve me in these efforts, and that's not okay.
@@Tcheera Yeah but still she is talking about taking drugs and he is giving her drugs. Which is not the accusation that he spiked drinks. The things she accused him of is slipping her amphetamines lol and raping her unconscious body. Total contradictions as how you can be unconscious and be drugged on amphetamines that keep you awake for days. You can't retroactively remove consent that you already gave. If this was a true rape situation i don't think it would have been recorded with brand new 3d technology just invented by james cameron at the time. This Video was recorded in 2007 and now all of a sudden its a rape? You can't even put out these videos without written consent of all involved. What we have here is another lady who post relationship is trying to collect big money from an ex who no longer wants anything to do with her. Im sure in every relationship there is mistreatment on both sides of the table. But she has made zero examples here and also the statute of limitations on rape in California where the video was recorded is 10 year increased from the previous 3. She filed a police report in 2021 which the police found no corroborating evidence whatsoever and did not even pursue manson. There are reasons these cases have a statute of limitations because after so long there is literally no way to preserve evidence and rarely does the criminal justice system prosecute based on he said she said crimes in 15 year old relationships. I just can't believe her. If she was so traumatized it never stopped her from becoming a successful actress in westworld. I think Marilyn Manson is an easy target because of his image and that if a woman truly thinks she has been raped (at the time not 15 years later) she should immediately report it and go to the hospital where a rape kit can be used to determine validity. I am sure plenty of incidents go unreported but when there is financial gain to be had i can't believe those who come from the woodwork with accusations years upon decades later.
You said a lot of what I was thinking. I stayed with mine as long as I did because we were married with a baby. I think after she left she decided that she didn't like the decisions she had made. I agree that she probably had someone in her ear telling her that she could put the blame for all of her bad decisions on him and then they wouldn't be her fault. I hope they televise the trial so that we can see the evidence and judge for ourselves whether or not he is guilty of the accusations.
@@Sentient.A.I. No that's not what she said - she didn't say she was unconscious. She said she was given alcohol and substances and that he penetrated her and that she hadn't consented to it.
I've stumbled across this because of Johnny Depp's case. But full disclosure (watching too much law tube 🤣) I am a life long fan of Johnny and I couldn't believe in my heart he was an abuser. But I did worry alot after AH got the tro, and then Hallelujah, that Brian fella showed the truth on RUclips. And then the whole world got to see the truth, I was truly elated when he won in Virginia. I did a little dance in the restaurant I was in at the time. Then this case came up. I'll be totally honest, Marilyn Manson is someone totally different to me. I know very little about him personally, but his music was just too dark for my taste. I love God and just didn't feel it. I'm a mammy from rural Northern Ireland and it kinda freaked me out. But obviously that's his stage act. What I do know and feel is intuition and alarm bells when I watch a liar talking. This woman, (Im sorry can't even remember her name) is not telling the truth. When you just don't feel any emotion coming through the horrific story then there is a reason. Honestly I have no background in body language but I can say I'm an expert in bullshit detection and this story stinks. I'll not jump into any boat right now but all I can say is I find this person hard to believe right now after this interview
She appears to be VERY TRUTHFUL. Watch her documentary. You are being played by conflating Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson. They are VERY DIFFERENT chracters, and Depp has dropped in my estimation for hanging out with this creep/rapey/antisemitic racist Manson.
Maybe she's feeling power at how far she's come and also she's on a stage where millions of people are watching. But it feels like I'm watching a psychiatrist, psychologist or a professional person talking it doesn't feel like I'm watching a victim. I might be wrong.
Remember she is also an actress. Don’t really know now if the allegations are true, some want them to be true because he so disgusting, but that still doesn’t make it true.
Yeah, they did. Found it weird too, but in the US you aren't allowed to drink alcohol under 21, so... anyway... Regret does not negate consent. I'm way past believing people's words without evidence, especially if they go on TV and just say stuff. I don't even know who she is, and I'm only here for Eric because he makes me smarter :)
So in the end. She is trying to sway public opinion before the case has been tried in court. AH did the same to JD. And Marilyn Manson lost his music deals etc immediately without a trial. Marilyn Manson has been blamed for many things in his career because of his stage character and because he looks 'scary'. That includes the Columbine shooting.
The thing that annoys me is the interviewers saying things like “you were in his video at 19.. you were only 19” … that’s not a child! At 19 I had been supporting myself for 3 years, had a great job, apartment, vehicle… living an independent life. They need to stop infantilising females.
She looks so happy at the darkest points - perhaps because she is feeling so proud of herself. She loves the attention on her actions of doing "good" to society. Being on TV is a high for her and she is delighted.
@@huggywuggy995 If you are going to claim that someone ruined your life. And they are suing you for that, you might not want to walk around with a big smile on your face...just sayin'
OMG!! The comparison with Amber Heard is just eerie! No Emotions when telling story or even when she talks about Suicide. Ive been there and I will tell you, 15yrs later and I still have trouble not crying when I tell others about it. She is Ambers Sister alllllll the way
I have no idea whether she's telling the truth or not (I kinda don't like her already) , but speaking from experience: you can't always assume that someone is lying when they don't show emotion when talking about being raped and attempting suicide means someone is lying. I can and do speak about my experiences without emotion. No one wants to relive the pain and horror of their ordeals. At some point, it becomes like telling a story and I'm sure some people wouldn't believe me. On the other hand, there have been times the only emotion I felt when talking about the incidents is righteous anger.
That's as maybe, I really do understand where you are coming from. It gets to the point beyond grief when we become numb, but, on the same point I don't think you would find me suppressing smiles and delight whilst trying to recant the experience(s).
@@janebrown3587 but that shows signs of it. That is emotions you would expect. She talks like a politician with an agenda. She doesn't talk like something happened to her. Do people hear your story and feel that you are making it up? Or can they see that you did live this and have learned to overcome it? Do you tell your story like it is someone else's story or do you tell it like it is your story to tell. I seriously want to know. I know people who have dealt with abuse and sa and you can see the pain and embarrassment in their demeanor, even when they try to hide it.
@@reginafetty6374 It's hard to draw any conclusion from this interview. Her 'professional' persona could very well be a defensive strategy to protect herself (and in the context of the show it seems appropiate). When she switches from "I" to "you" it could very well be a strategy to detach herself from her experiences. I can relate to this, because I notice myself doing this in some situations. The only thing that's actually irritating, is her seemingly happy demeanor, while talking about these dark episodes, but this could mean anything and also be part of her 'act' she puts on to protect herself. Would be interesting to see her in a non-professional setting.
It's the best way forward yes. For decades men have been scathing towards abusive men, not always but generally speaking.. in some cases we've kicked the ever living s*** out of any guy who abused a sister, an aunt, a daughter, a niece Society tells men to go further and instead label ourselves as ALL being abusers in waiting, potential rapists etc. We could definitely use strong, intelligent women highlighting the class of unstable and abusive women out there. It helps everyone and even from the female perspective it can lead to helpful therapy for the women who are the unstable ones
For a year and a half now, people have listened to ERW's story (and other accusers). To be fair, People should take a look at MM's version and read his complaint. Without necessarily believing in his innocence, it should at least make people question things. Unfortunately, the majority of people prefer to believe that the "bogeyman" is guilty, even without evidence.
I am leaning more torwards believing her, and want to believe her. However, I'm 100% open to his side, and have read his complaint. A lot of his complaint is more torwards the other defendant and if even half of what he's claiming is true, it's looking BAD for ERW. I am still more on her side, but am open to change my stance once the evidence is presented.
@@mandy5232 Having an open mind is key. Based on the facts and the evidence, I don't believe her. MM has evidence and has always been consistent while ERW only has words and contradictions.
At this point, with no evidence presented I am looking at both of them with a skeptical eye. I refuse to make a judgement about either without knowing the details. I want them both to have a fair trial and I want the truth to fully come out.
There is evidence of her and his ex assistant faking a FBI letter and having all his electronics taken by the police. You should look into it. There are people who have been investigating all of this for years.
I dont believe ERW, but i do believe she wants to rewrite her history and also get back into the limelight. I heard the term “regret revenge” before, and i think thats whats happening, along with any personality disorders she may be diagnosed or yet to be diagnosed with. Seen plenty of interviews with exes who were interviewed and none of them say he was abusive in any way, just that he was intelligent, introvert, vanilla, complete romantic. His stage persona is something different to what he is like off stage and performing. I also believe in my gut, that something is off with ERW. She was not a minor while with Brian Warner, 19 in America is not a minor, younger then he was, but not a minor, and its just weird that she thinks she was a minor while with him.
Ah. Under 21 is a 'minor' with respect to alcohol, which she claims she was given in the bit where she refers to herself as a minor, but she the way she rolled it all together certainly suggested she was talking about age of consent, not drinking age. Is she claiming she was provided alcohol ('as a minor') before or after she took the illegal drugs ('as an adult')? Hmmmm. Also, even though giving alcohol to someone under 21 is the crime of 'providing alcohol to a minor' in most jurisdictions, if you're over 18 I don't think you get to claim you didn't consent to drinking. Generally you are responsible for your own decisions at that age, and if it came to light, you would be in equally hot water for accepting the drink as the other person is for providing it.
I don’t know enough to make a decision one way or the other, regarding ERW’s allegations, but I don’t know if it’s fair to expect details from the alleged victim on a tv show. Trauma triggers are real, so I don’t blame her if she decided not to go into details about abuse or suicide. The only time I would expect details are in depositions and/or in a courtroom, where they are absolutely critical. We will see, if the trial happens, what happens. Until then, I’m staying neutral.
I don’t understand why anyone a victim of DV, would go in any talk show to discuss it. I think, if true, one would pour their heart out during much time spent with a therapist. Rihanna didn’t do and we definitely know she is a victim.
I don't think it's fair to go on a publicity tour, make allegations on social media and make a documentary about mm when he hasn't been proved guilty in a court of law. Presumption of innocence is everything and everyone is entitled to due process. The fact she's friends with the turd who along with her legal team name dropped mm throughout the depp v turd trial doesn't put erw in a good light
@@annhenry3135 because she believes (or is trying to personify herself) as a champion for victims. I do believe that victims blame themselves for falling for someone who later abuses them. They believe they are alone and because of that, allow themselves to be abused for longer. When people speak out and show strength after trauma, it’s to help victims believe themselves to hold strength for making it past that. Haven’t decided myself on these allegations, but I can see how she can behave this way. Her being on a talk show by itself doesn’t discredit her. That said, she is definitely on the attack.
@@ItsjustmeAR Obviously by your reply, you are speaking by what you have read. I have experienced this type of abuse but never blamed myself. It was all him. I would have never publicly whined about my situation. I sought counseling and legal assistance. Anyone who blames themselves is not operating with a functioning brain. Has been actors are the least of the people I would believe if they went on a cackling hen show to ‘woe is me.’ It appears either to gain financially or revive a ‘on life support’ career. She and Amber Heard have hurt other people who are victims of abuse with few resources for help.
We shouldn't be assuming that Evan is lying just because of Amber, what happened with Evan happened YEARS before Johnny and Amber, she just had to keep quiet because of legal reasons. Could she be lying, Absolutely! But just assuming because the Amber trial is so fresh in our minds.. not right
In my opinion, this is happening because Amber's legal team, kept trying to link depp with manson, clearly because of the accusations /manson's "odd" entertainment persona.
People not believing Evan has very little to do with AH. It's about her influencing other MM "victims" by to come forward by posing as an FBI agent. She used the agent's name on fake FBI letterheard. She and her partner gave these women scripts. That's a problem in terms of Evan's creditability.
When she talks about the rose colored glasses video, she says “no one under the influence can consent, especially a minor. “ Well she was not a minor at the time she was 19! She has a way of sneaking in the minor thing, or calling herself a “teenager” to make it seem like she was younger at the time that she was with Marilyn Manson. However she had already dated a 30-year-old man, Edward Norton, for years starting when she was 16-17, so it’s not like she was some virginal innocent naïve young girl! But boy does she want the viewers to think she was.
It seems strange that these good looking and powerful women portrait themselves as helpless little damsels in distress without any own agency or influence. I don't know this particular story but she reminds me of Amber.
Word is her father was a tyrannical theater teacher who mixed fantasy with reality her whole childhood. Her brother said she can't tell the difference between the two. That means she's legally insane....
@@kkraut No amount of money makes up for being abused by your family. She's clearly insane but the dollars and roles won't soothe that. Personal responsibility is a start.
You asked: I made an attempt on my life and immediately regretted it. My wrist with a fresh box cutter. The second the tendons popped out of my wrist and the blood started spraying, I regretted what I had done. I spent the next week in the hospital. I actually find it stunning that you haven't heard of people that have attempted suicide and were immediately grateful that they failed the attempt. There are stories of the only survivors that have jumped off of multiple big bridges famous for suicides and every single one of them says that they regretted the attempt the second they came to. They also said that they were no longer suicidal after that and found a way to move forward with their lives and cope with their depression. Sure some people are going to see a failed suicide attempt as a negative in the immediate future. Other people will understand that it was a mistake right away. And some people might even find it a catalyst for change. I know that mine changed me in certain ways. It certainly made me realize that I am not a suicidal person.
She said she was raped on the heart shaped glasses set. Yet there were numerous people on set that saw nothing happen. There were cameras and numerous witnesses present.
When she is answering or even when the interviewers are stating what allegedly happened to her, she has no emotion that would be expected and seen from literally 99.9% of other survivors.
There's an interview that Evan did shortly after her and Manson got back together and she speaks about him and their love and how wonderful he is. I'd be really interested in hearing your analysis of that. Because her body language in that video is completely different than the one we just saw.
It’s a fantastic example of how cultural norms play into the impression of a musician. I don’t think I’ve been aware of the reputation or portrayal of him as something fish out of water or negatively or what not. In Scandinavia he was not. He was just another musician with make up and leather/latex. Reality was also happening a lot slower here. Unfortunately that has catches on but MM was not all that different from other of his peers.
That's fascinating, thanks for sharing! I'm from the Netherlands, and over here we're acutely aware of how much more chill Scandinavia is when it comes to metal and musicians like MM and other shock rockers etc. But in the Dutch culture, the average person is still likely to assume MM did these things because of his shocking appearance. It's only the people who are into metal who know that it's just a persona, and that it does not say anything positively or negatively about who they are as a person. Me and my rock/metalhead friends usually envy Scandinavia because metal is so much more accepted. Over here you'd never find a radio station that would ever allow to play even something like Nightwish. So we're a little in between the US and Scandinavia in a way. We're aware of the Scandi attitude to metal, but our culture with regards to it still more resembles the US. Here it's only the rock fans and metalheads that are more in line with Scandinavia instead of the general public.
Agree! I am from Sweden. I remember the video of The Dope Show in th 90's when I was a kid. My parents let me watch that along with Barbie Girl of Aqua on Voxpop, here it was no difference. After Columbine Massacre MM got falsely accused in alot of US Media. You can watch his interview by Michael Moore and you'll see Brian Warner behind the MM persona.
As much as I appreciate the analysis of ERW, maybe overthinking it, but her trial has yet to begin, and I worry that she will use these analysises (by other channels as well), to use and study to "perfect" her upcoming testimony. And is it just me, or anyone else notice how her and AH sound similar? Either AH mimicked ERW or vice versa.
I've worried that "they" might become better liars after reading the "tips" online. I am mostly convinced that what they do is so ingrained that they are incapable of seeing the truth, then speaking or doing the truth. I'm less worried that they'll lose their lying habits.
Shes definitely watching videos in mansons defence. Cos shortly after they are up she starts with new stories. Like having the abortion was never mentioned till a mutual friend spilled the tea. Then suddenly he was mean to her after the abortion. She left out the fact it was another mans baby right enough.
Glad I am not the only one whom has been thinking these. But it is scary. As for the abortion, that definitely hurt him, since biological men, even bio-females (many), cannot have babies, and all they dream about is having a child.
I am thinking the same way. I think AH tried to do the same thing during the break of the trial. Before she turned off the "crying" like a director saying cut. Then on the one incident she tried to make it go for a longer period of time to try to make it look more believable, but it wasn't. She seemed to get quite a few tips while scanning alternative media, but just wasn't convincing. I wonder if we will get to see any footage to see if this one understands and works the emotions and calms her hands, like she is casting a spell.
She said she was 19 in the video, then said you can't give consent as a minor referring to her allegation they had sex in the video. Since when is 19 a minor?
Yeah, plus, the other people who were part of the video said that they were wearing underwear. She keeps actng like the movies they made were real life.
I don’t know much about the case yet, but I saw the documentary and the one thing that bothers me is the fact that she calls herself underage when she was 18 - 19 and a bit more in-the-know than the average 18 - 19 year old because she was in the industry since she was a kid. I commented this on someone’s video and they said “she meant underage as in under the drinking age” but she never makes that distinction and, in the documentary, she shows animations OF HERSELF AS A CHILD, when she speaks of her story. That’s odd to me because it’s not necessary, she can just say she was a lot younger than him, which is literally true and can be problematic, but she’s trying to make it sound as if she was a child. It’s just an unnecessary exaggeration. Edit: That detail makes me doubt her intentions just a tiny bit, also the fact that she continues to support AH. If I was a victim, I wouldn’t stand behind a liar who tried to use DV and abuse to get ahead and destroy someone. But that’s just me.
@@jiwonswrld She has defended AH in previous years and had absolutely nothing to say about the verdict either way, so I’m assuming. I thought she would make some kind of a stance, but she didn’t and that speaks volumes IMO.
@@michellecgb i’ve seen her defenses for ah and it had nothing to do with the allegations, it had to do with amber’s sexuality being highlighted by the media when ah made the accusations in 2016. erw even said that she could not comment on the allegations.
@@jiwonswrld That’s my point, she hasn’t said anything at all about it, which is odd for an advocate who has a friend who lied about such serious things. But whatever, it doesn’t make me discard her allegations, it just makes me weary. Her friendship or relationship with Ilma Gore is also a bit sus when you look into her. These things are just a bit weird to me, that’s all.
"This was planned" - the joy. Do you think it could be linked to the possibility her and the ex assistant and others have possibly been setting this up? Other exes have been approached by her or the ex assistant has emailed others to send in stories of abuse. I am hoping the police investigation uncovers something.
@@Mandy-nt2cs I know. I apologise. Was making individual comments as they were discussing things. So spread out, incl one about the letter. And the seizing of his electronic devices.
Thank you for this video!! There is definitely something odd with her behavior. Have you seen her appearance on Jimmy Fallon (June 24th) where she is promoting her show and HERSELF shamelessly as if she never went on the talk show circuit a few months ago to talk about Manson. She is definitely an attention seeker and when she was criticized by her Manson accusations she decided to flip it and goes on Fallon with an over-the-top promotion of herself where the crowd just eats it up. She's trying to manipulate this scenario to her advantage. Mainstream audiences are so gullible.
I believe her as much as I believed Amber heard, she doesn't look traumatized at all. SHe seems too happy. Just trying to get some money from Brian and ruin him. And i detest The View, way to controversial, hate these women.
I don't think she looks happy I think she looks demented. I'm guessing she had a messed up childhood which led to some unhealthy decisions as an adult. Instead of taking personal responsibility for her feelings of despair and lack of self alignment she is trying to blame others, in particular her male partners.
Body language aside, in her description of "grooming," she's basically just projecting on to Manson what she imagines was going on in his head, as if this means anything. A guy meets a girl he's attracted to and tries to make himself attractive to her but she recasts this as "manipulation" and "grooming," as if she could explain how she would know the difference between the two. I have no idea what was going on in Manson's head. Is there some reason I'm supposed to believe she knows? Also, if the age difference between them alone for some reason establishes that Manson was an abuser for the crime of being attractive to her when she was 19, why isn't she accusing Edward Norton of the same thing?
Not that I’m saying anything in her favor, but some people, like JD for instance, they smile at bad things, which is weird, but not unheard of. She, however, I believe isn’t one of those people. Also, she was 19 when she met Manson. She was an adult. Groomers take advantage of young children and minors. Once you’re past the age of 18, you are considered an adult. Although there was an age gap, obviously it wasn’t an issue for her for many, many years. She may have been younger and possibly not as experienced as him (obviously he has had more years of life). 19 isn’t a minor. You may not be able to purchase alcohol, but she wasn’t a minor! She also could have said no, if there was drugs and alcohol, again, she wasn’t a little kid, she wasn’t a minor that needed to have mommy or daddy to say no for her. Take some responsibility for your actions. Even if she felt pressured, she was an adult who could use her words. She had a choice in this, and just because she regrets it now, doesn’t mean that she gets to blame others for it now, just like AH, she seems like she won’t take any responsibility for her actions in this either
I have to say,as someone who has been in an abusive relationship, mental,emotional and sexual,I left when it started to become physically abusive because there is always a choice and that just hit me like a ton of bricks one day.Mentally,I was lost,I had no self esteem and it meant I had no place to live and still had to work in the same company as the guy.However,there is still some level of personal responsibility,to decide what u r going to do,stay,leave,report it,don’t report it.Yes,there are consequences to those decisions but at some point you have to take some responsibility.I did need help to leave and I understand some people don’t have that but ERW did.I think she made some decisions she regretted and is trying to explain them away by saying she was not in control. P.S I also had a failed suicide attempt and yes,it does make u feel like ”Jesus! I can’t even do that right!”but it also means everyone finds out what’s going on and u either try to get better or u pretend to and wait till they think ur well enough that u can attempt it again.
Thank you. I'm glad you got out. It's important to stress personal responsibility, as you did. They talk about female empowerment while teaching them to be victims. ✨✨👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@devi_dane3982 Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad you got out of that situation and are on the right path so that we could hear your perspective here today!
@@devi_dane3982 Glad to "hear" that! ☺️ Scars are signs of living, a "medal" of all the hard challenges you passed!!! Be proud of yourself, love yourself and forgive yourself!! There is a beautiful life waiting for you! And never forget "Night is the darkest right before sun rise" 😉
Hang on, now she claiming that he gave her alcohol and slept with her when she was still a minor? I thought their 'relationship' started when she was 18.
3:25 But if he approached her under the pretense of work, how did she end up being known as his girlfriend and why was she ok with that if it was wrong? And Marilyn has been well known as a shock rocker for years. His music videos are graphic and his makeup is scary. What false impression did she get from him? That's not a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a wolf that _you_ mistook for a dog! And her description of his grooming felt very distant like she wasn't describing herself (just like Amber does). She also said she was a minor when it happened, but was 19 years old. That's not a minor. She would be in college at that age.
@@kborbus6726 18 still isn't a minor. I do remember being 18, actually. My mom would not have been ok with me dating an older man. I'm not the one who went on interviews in 2009 talking about enjoying dating older men though. And she openly talked about how her own mother was never ok with her dating older men either.
Who TF thought that a relationship with Marilyn Manson would be anything but strange and dark. I mean, if anything did happen then she really did walk straight into it. The way she’s dressed is very sound of music. Reminded me of Amber in that one day when she tried to look really innocent and wholesome. Rachel is doing the same here. But to be fair, I tattooed Marilyn Manson’s name on my ankle with a pin at 15. I had 1 cassette with ‘Antichrist Superstar’ on it and listened to it everyday for over a year. I don’t feel much for his recent music but he’s probably had the biggest impact any musician has had on me and my life. He’s actually very intelligent. He’s kind of a nerd actually. His whole persona filled a huge gap in the metal scene. And he nailed it! (to a cross😁) I also really liked this chicken too after West world. But the second I saw the first article I thought to myself that she’s doing another Amber. Quite possibly she’s not and I don’t know the details but Marilyn is a lot of barking but very little biting. A sheep in wolves clothing.
you can't be 19 and still be a minor once you turn 18 ion the eyes of the law your an adult, and GROOMING Is children not adult women and men. you weren't groomed as an adult, you were tricked or something but keep that word out of the mouth cause you Groom under age children not adults.
Everything is third person. When this happens to you etc. I don't need all the statistics either. It doesn't seem genuine it seems made up. There's absolutely no eye contact. She looks like she's so happy to be there talking about such a sensitive subject. The whole thing stinks if you ask me and from the evidence I heard I can't take her word. Guess we will find out during court though 🤷
I wanted to address the comment the gentleman made about the failed suicide attempt of ERW and that being a catalyst to get help and make her life better. I had a friend that shot herself in the head and by some miracle survived. She wrote an essay about the experience and how surviving the attempt changed everything for her. She had a metal plate in her head. I do not know what Wood's attempt was. I don't know if she even really tried to kill herself. I am not saying I believe of disbelieve her. I just wanted to point out that it isn't unheard of for people to get a lease on life after a failed suicide attempt
True and some use suicide attempts to get attention or attempts that seems to be the case. I don't know if their is something truly wrong with them but the will attempt it when they know that someone will be around to save them. If you shoot yourself in the head and live, that would definitely be a turning point moment, that you have a purpose and need to find what that purpose is.
It seems to me that it’s more regret than abuse. She describes her suicide attempt as from a depression state than abused state. Hollywood is a strange place and maybe she felt that she’d lost all relevance and needed to bring attention to herself, I just don’t know. I don’t know anything of the back story and just going off this interview but my gut is saying something’s not right
She has a starring role in a successful HBO Max series. She has had a fairly successful career overall. I don't think that whatever is going on is about getting attention for herself. If she is lying it is sad to me because she is actually a talented actress, unlike Amber Heard, if she gets outed as a liar I would miss watching her work.
Once you look into the facts, you'll be blown away at the absurdity of these women's claims & the crimes Evan & Illma have committed to falsely accuse him.
@@karenholmes6565 Oh she's a liar alright. The lady has impersonated an FBI agent, tried to plant child po*n on MMs devices.. you wouldn't believe the absurdity of it all once you dig into the facts. It's insane. Check out Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor here on YT. Lawyer Limor just did a video on the Manson's court filing. Have a look.. it's nuts.
@@karenholmes6565 Yeah, this is a point, which makes her more believable than AH. She wouldn't need to boost her public profile over false allegations. If the evidence shows the opposite, I really wonder what her intentions are.
@@karenholmes6565 Nvm, I just read in her declaration that she is using the situation with MM to withhold her son from his father (Jamie Bell). There is definitely more going on..
I would suggest reading her court filings with her ex Jamie bell to get an insight into her behavior when she’s confronted with questions, it’s very eye opining in my opinion
Yr not being unfair at all Eric. Evan Rachel seems to be answering mostly as an expert rather than a SA and DV victim/survivor. She speaks as an authority, rather than "this is what I personally experienced".
Nice catch about the casualness to a very heavy topic. Victims I know with years of therapy still at least tear up (naturally), or might still have rage, or they don't say a word. They don't go on national TV on a famous long-standing show and get the stage with no interruptions. ERW's got nothing. Either the View panel doesn't understand about abuse, or they've been silenced to only ask specific questions. Cross examination in a courtroom is going to be a whole different venue (assuming MM has a great attorney).
I don't see real sadness on her face just like i didn't see it with Amber. Just some storytelling. She knew what she was doing and going into back then and now she changed her mind. While she was with him, making videos and partying it was ok but now she decided it was not ok
I wish that you had SA survivor experts as part of this AND that if you felt that you must that you were analyzing something a bit more reasonable than a DAYtime talk show that is subject to a ton of rules and limitations regarding what can even be discussed. I mean sincerely it's the freakin' VIEW. For anyone who has actually heard the claims she's made of what he did (whether you believe them or not), what of them do you think are daytime appropriate? Aside from that, it's incredibly common for SA victims to intellectualize and distance like this and to make twisted smiles and to do anything they can to soothe. If you don't believe Amber Heard and believe JD was a victim of abuse, look at how many times he had awkward smiles while talking about his abuse on the stand while even talking in detail. And sometimes when talking more globally he would switch to using "You". No one knows what happened here - but something that is interesting is that MM is NOT directly suing her for defamation for her abuse claims, even though I'm sure that's the narrative that is and will be put out if he wins his suit. He is suing Ilma Gore and only her tangentially. I do suspect that Ilma Gore is using ERW as well and that she is being subject to exploitation by yet another partner in this instance, and that it may end up in a narrative that she also wasn't abused due to a crafty lawsuit and PR machines and that it won't matter whether she's telling the truth about what happened to her or not if things are manipulated and if she was in two exploitative relationships. Largely this case is actually MM vs IG -- ERW is only tangentially a party and in the lawsuit the truth of whether she was abused or not won't be material to the lawsuit unless the jury decides that it is.
Defamation is almost impossible to sue for in California. Even harder in cases like this. This whole thing is so likely to be part of the Me2Movement trying to pull down powerful males. I can't find the article I read on it but there are a whole lot of false allegations by the leadership of Me2 and they all happened near the same time and a lot of males got canceled without any evidence. In fact, in many of the cases, the women, like Evan said specifically that they were in happy, healthy relationships and Evan said that the persona was fake and that Manson was into romantic love relationships in real life. But now things she said were fake back then, she now says are real. williamofoccam.com/amber-heard-michele-dauber-emily-doe-metoo/
The fact that she has to point out that she was not drawn to him at all, and he was the one that was drawn to her (not just showed interest, or approached first), makes me feel like that is not the complete truth.
I will have to say that ERW seems more likable than Amber Heard, but that’s not saying much because she’s doing the same thing: destroying a man through the media without proof. At least she doesn’t screw up her face into constant micro-expressions that leap from “angry face” to “disgust face” and back again within seconds. ERW keeps her facial expressions pretty much “Pollyanna face” throughout her rehearsed speech. Or, like Mr. Stone said it best: “customer-service face.” 😂 Evidently neither is able to summon what might be a genuine “victim-of-abuse face.” I would be truly sad for ERW or AH if I believed that they really were victims of abuse, but I just don’t believe either one of them, because their stories don’t make sense when real facts are known.
I think her smiling is s smugness, that she is cocky with the evidence against him i think she gets defensive when talking about victim generalization. I think she is well educated on being abused and is upset and Passionate about how people perceive victims etc. Its hits a nerve with her.
I found gavin stone completely accurate. He did a great job. Great analysis 👍. I've heard multiple sources say she was fully coherent during the heart shaped glasses video and they were both wearing underwear, both really into it and that one scene took 2 hours to film and they kept stopping to get the lighting right and she was fully engaged with how the scenes should look what with being an actor an all 🙄 I don't believe her #istandwithmanson
I'm confused about idea of not being able to consent while both are drinking. If both partners are drunk did they both grape each other bc neither could consent. Could they both be arrested and charged for having drunk s*x. Should every couple that goes to liquor store be split up and sent to jail?
It's a grey area. Having sex with a drunk person is not necessarily rape. Factors to determine whether it was rape or not need to be considered. For example were they coerced into drinking to get them into to have sex. Were they vulnerable. Were they completely out of it drunk. Does Evan look drunk. Does she look drunk in the photos when the video was being made. Keep in mind she may have been a heavy drinker and could appear normal. I don't know. I just don't believe she was drunk at all to be honest.
Sorry, I think people are getting this wrong. 1. She's doing this interview as an activist. This is not a confessional, a therapy appointment, or a stand on trial. She's there to shine a light on abuse, and she's passionate about it for a reason. 2. As someone who experienced sadistic abuse(which is what she's alleging-that really sort of manipulative, intentional abuse. Which is on another level than someone being careless or hot-headed.) for years, her manner of speaking about it doesn't strike me as odd at all. It is very difficult to talk about and relive specific events with even a close friend or therapist, much less on national TV! 3. She has clearly been through therapy/done some processing, and the way she is analyzing and gesturing reflects that. Yes, she wants to distance herself from it-and that is part of a healing process, to be able to reflect and understand and not be stuck in the trauma. Yes, she is happy to feel empowered to talk about it at all. What a relief! 4. She's talking with a panel of women, and it is fairly commonplace for women to speak about abuse in this way, like it's a shared understanding, which has some disturbing implications. (I like that she mentions that men experience it, too. Not a club anyone WANTS to be part of, but welcome?) 5. Evan Rachel Wood and Amber Heard don't behave alike at all. Amber Heard lost credibility because she was weirdly flat or dismissive at times and overly emotive or descriptive at others. Evan Rachel Wood has been consistent in the way she has been speaking about this. It's not proof, but it strikes me as genuine.
Thank You for looking at this case & not judging before looking at the facts. Her (& the others) stories are ridiculous.. not to mention the crimes she's committed to falsely accuse him.. and I have a feeling many less people will be willing to speak the truth about & cover the facts of this case simply bc of his career persona.. folks really have misunderstood even that lol as they did Elvis, KISS & all the others.
Lol I was experimenting with drugs at the age of 19… I mean, I know 19 is still young in the big picture, but I was definitely mature enough at that age to make my own decisions and not be swayed by someone trying to get me high. If she would have said it started when she was 15 or 16 I’d be concerned but 19? She said she was a minor?? 19 isn’t a minor? I’m so confused. This doesn’t look like someone who is talking about being S.A.‘ed. I work with toddlers and they blame each other for the smallest things. One of them will hit another one and then cry and point their finger when the other one hits them back. That’s more the energy I’m getting from her. Like she’s throwing a tantrum and saying, “waaaaah- he called me a meanie!” I’m definitely down to see her evidence, but 👀 PS: Remember when the media tried to blame MM for Columbine?? His music and persona have come under attack heavily before. And the first time was absolutely baseless. Metal music does not make people shoot up anywhere.
I don't listen to that type of music and I don't know what kind of effect it has on others mental state but as for me, when I am exposed to that kind of music, it messes with me and I have to get away from it. I get very frustrated and aggravated and angry. So to say someone's music does not cause people to go and do violent things or effect them in certain ways, I would have to disagree. It does effect me, but I keep myself composed and leave the music area or change the music.
@@reginafetty6374 they were blaming Manson specifically. Not metal music as a whole, but Manson’s metal music. Also, someone who’s angry may listen to metal music or metal music may make someone feel angry…. But if someone is going to shoot up a place, it’s NOT the music. That person already has issues with anger and other things and they choose to listen to the music. It’s not the music itself that makes them decide to kill people.
@@reginafetty6374 pop music makes me feel irritated and angry but you don’t ever see people blaming Ariana grande for mass shootings. I think you’re being a bit exagerarive bc you have something against that type of music based on your cultural perception (or something of the like) I was raised by a bluegrass musician, am a bluegrass musician and am a lifelong metal head. You’d never accuse bluegrass music as influencing someone to shoot up a school but bluegrass music is often darker than metal music. Just bc you hear “loud and noisy and angry” when you hear metal music means nothing. I was raised to appreciate musical technicality and difficulty and metal music is some of the most technical music made.. it’s technicality and difficulty is precisely why many don’t like it, bc they can’t hear all the intricacies, it’s not meant for mainstream audiences, it’s meant more often for those that can understand it’s odd time signatures and complicated sweeps, solos, etc etc etc
I'm sure they will. At least he's doing the right thing and not splattering it over sm and msm. People decided he was guilty before he even had a chance to defend himself.
I am a victim of dv and sa and i have to say with me, I never smile or act happy why im telling what happened to me and what I went through and how it affected me, so this is weird to me!!! Its been over 10 years for me and i still act the same way when tell my story!!!
The biggest red flag is that she acts elated to be part of the abuse club. Seriously 😒??! Having left an abusive marriage to save myself and my 3 children, there is no joy in being part of that „club“. It is a hell of a journey, and even to talk about it 12 years later is really tough. I smell snake 🐍 oil. She is not my spokesperson.
I sure as hell want to listen to her story just as much I want to listen to male victims' stories of DV. I am not "elated to be a part of the abuse club", but I am fucking happy that I'm alive and can openly talk about what happened to me without feelings of shame for myself. Maybe that's what you see, is a woman free from the past trauma enough to hold her chest and chin up high, not in contempt, but in self worth. Just enough to encourage and open public talk about DV and how quickly it can consume any domestic partnership, especially when we don't publicly teach our public the red flags and the mirroring stories that it happens to anyone, any gender, any fame/celebrity status or background.
I saw interviews of people that knew her and Manson at the time and said that what she described is not at all what they witnessed. She and the other accusers had tried to sue him but they had no evidence on top of being too late to file so the judge dismissed their case. He has evidences in his lawsuit against her. So I think she is trying to boost her political and activist career by claiming she is a victim. She is not a real victim, she is reading from a script, she wanted money and she was jealous her ex fiancé was getting married.
@@loco4570 A humorous deception is debatably funny (I find most of them are not). A malicious deception is abusive under any name including domestic violence.
@@EmbraceTerror what ERW is doing is definitely life destroying and she needs to be put in front of a Judge and Jury. I have not heard anything about her wrongdoing during the relationship aside from her insisting one of his assistant get fired. She might have been emotionally abusive, financially abusive, verbally abusive but so far that is still speculation. What she has been doing for the last couple of years is defamatory , criminal, and life threatening.
She contradicts herself, I was 19 ... then "when your inebriated and under age". She is an adult at 19 and willing took anything he offered. Seem to me people, women in particular, take a position of "I trusted you and that's your fault." Which is just, "I made a mistake but it must be someone else's fault, not mine." Here Wood even claims she was a child. I say, yes, but between the ears, not the years. "I have regrets and I want forever for revenge." While no doubt Manson is not an angel and will not be a "pillar of the community" I have serious reservations on Woods virtue. In Wikipedia, take it for what it's worth, " As of December 2021, Wood and Bell are in dispute over the custody of their son.[82] Bell said he was deprived of contact with their son when Wood moved from Los Angeles to Nashville; Wood claimed she did this to protect the child from former fiancé Marilyn Manson.[83] Bell argued in court that Wood's "story defies credibility", and accused her of "withholding our son from me for other reasons of her own invention."[84]" She does seems to be quite the piece of work.
It’s funny in the statement made from her baby’s father In court he explained in detail how she is grooming her own son I have a screenshot of the document and he is essentially explaining how she is grooming her own son to believe Manson was abusive to her!! I can’t wait for her to get destroyed like amber heard!!
In this video, I was confused by Evan Rachel Wood's gestures. I have since come to learn what may be happening in this interview. ruclips.net/video/mWtO_ybzxZQ/видео.html
You should do Cassidy Hutchinson! That was hilarious, she looked like she just lost her whole family in a fire ...or someone threatened her whole family with a fire!!
Watch her in court when she’s with other survivors. She’s a completely different person.
Evan's brother said that she has trouble distinguishing between reality and fantasy. Also, she used footage of their "art" together as if it was real life. I wonder if that makes it harder to read her?
I have been wondering also if doing movie versions of DV and SA makes it easier to lie? Plus, on top of that, I have read a few articles where the Me2Movement leadership were looking for powerful males to bring down to come against the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" and Manson would be the easiest mark because of his persona.
I will add that she was making her own documentary, so she was already in "acting mode" and if she is lying she would be in double-acting mode (interview about acting) now and would also have been acting back then for her art.
Regardless of anything she says and does... I don't like how she (and Amber did it too) decided to wear those old-fashioned, all buttoned-up, grandma-style Puritan clothes. I get that they're trying to evoke a sense of innocence that way but... to me, it feels unnaturally stiff and too "agenda".
Right! We can all look back on previous pics, who they fooling???
100% agree
Everyone plays their role
He clutching her own neck without really protecting her artery worries me a little.
Exactly!!!!
Whether you believe her allegations or you don't, it's not justice to destroy a person's life via social media without due process and based on nothing more than hearsay.
Yeah, if you believe her then is not defamation, its her right to tell
Thats right!
@A. W. M. And yet, as we've seen from the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp trial, truth is a relative term to some people (hint: they use it synonymously with lies).
@A. W. M. Did you see the trial? I was referring to a statement from Heard on the stand where she said she uses 'pledge and donate synonymously' to obfuscate, rather badly, that she lied about donating her divorce settlement to charity.
Your statement doesn't make sense to me.
No one should be allowed to go on interviews, do documentaries etc until a case has gone to court and a jury or judge have given a verdict.
She’s doing this before the trial to gather more public sympathy because she knows very damn well her accusations won’t stand in court and she’ll probably lose , that’s why she’s exploiting the whole thing before it blows up in her face
@@gdoora2350 and the media seems to be falling for it hook, line and sinker
I agree. She may have to take the wrath as AH did, when it is all over. Is she going to blame everyone but herself too. Will she be a better at acting, on the stand? I wonder if this one will be televised. That is the best thing that ever happened to the Depp/Heard case. The mainstream media had a hard time trying to spin it, and got backlash for it.
Agree 100%
I agree. trying to win in the court of public can backfire, just as it did for heard. I believe that Manson is facing a bigger uphill battle than Mr. Depp did, simply because of his music, the way he looks, his so called "reputation," etc., while remarkably unfair, it's just the reality of the situation, not to mention he has multiple accusers. he also has multiple defenders. this interview is not doing her any favors. I do understand nervousness and being uncomfortable with discussing the subject matter, however, she just doesn't come across as believable.
She is a better actress than Amber, but I think its a good thing that we now question allegations and don't blindly believe it!
More like AH decided to call her own shots and drastically exaggerate her claims without the proof behind it. It was down to credibility and she blew the case all by herself. Very hard for the attorneys to defend a rogue client.
Yes! 👍
Agree! Her patterns of speech feel super rehearsed and memorized
For me I can choose to gove both sides the benefit of the doubt as that's what we do here in the US of A. It used to be anyway but for me I will await to see what comes of their court case. The JD and AH case was very different we had audios with her admitting to abusing Johnny.
@@tqueen7131 I feel a little ashamed of myself for being so angry at Johnny and then realizing how their relationship really was. It's hard to know until you hear both sides of the story. I do know that it is much more likely that you will be abused if there is an age gap.
She sure spends a lot of time speaking in generalities instead of what happened to her.
Exactly!
It's actually more normal than you think shes been over a decade removed
To her, life is an act and shes playing a part. Listen to how other actors talk about their past characters and you'll see what I mean. They speak in generalities like you said since they are playing a part in a production.
She sounds more like an activist than a victim. What strikes me as odd is that I would think a victim would not want her experience generalized because it’s so personal to them. But she seems to want to stress how important her case is in a larger social context. And why is she constantly rocking back and forth?
Sounds very familiar , even down to the way she is dressed ( Like a Stepford Wife)
@@angelmoon1959 Crikey!
She does look like a Stepford wife!
Stepford wives have a prim and fancy dress style. Accentuating their femininity. She is more muted and covered, and it looks like she is going out of her way to downplay her femininity. I don't get Stepford from her at all. She isn't dolled up in any way really. That could be because she's mistakenly thinking that she will appear credible if she has a more reserved look. It seems deliberate and calculated but I could be wrong.
Most victims do not want to talk about what happened to them. There’s nothing eager in doing so, not even with a therapist, which is why it’s hard to believe her story.
You can see the “Revenge” in her eyes, sorry but me as a DV and SA survivor, I never thought of revenge, I just wanted away from it, never wanted to think about it, and the thought of even seeing him again makes me nauseous, definitely I’ve never smiled or laughed about it
There’s way to much excitement in her eyes🤩
As a DV and a SA survivor, i wanted revenge!! I delighted when something bad happened to him or was Said about him. I wanted vengeance and justice. I also wanted him de@d! People process differently
I see revenge and jealousy in her eyes. He’s moved on and is married and has a new album. ERW sowed her youthful wild oats with MM, intentionally, and now she has regrets about it and wants to change history and say he caused it. She was not a “baby” as she says; she was a promiscuous, savvy, 19-year-old woman who had already made some racy films and had been with a boyfriend (that she later married and had a son with) and with a 30-something man, the actor Edward Norton, before she even met MM. Narcissists want their story to play out the way they want it to. They want to be the hero in their own story no matter who it hurts.
100 percent.
Someone who survived a psycho knows revenge is pointless but also unattainable, a psycho abuser needs only the smallest of attention to start obsessing about you all over again.
A survivor is weary of giving the person any oxygen or attention and simply wants self protection and to become invisible for their own safety.
You don't get gleeful or vengeful
@@peakydene1943 yeah, how much would she have hated it if The View producers put up a relationship timeline on a big screen showing the time of Edward Norton and then the fella she dated and returned to after Manson to then marry and have a kid with
@@AFreckledAngel True, but I didn’t want to be the one doing it…I wanted nothing to do with him!! That’s what I was saying🤷🏼♀️
Something that was pretty blaring to me was that she calls herself underage, a minor, and a child when she was 19. No.
Yeah, but at 19, she can't drink or rent a car, so she can't REALLY be an adult now, can she? lol
@@fogweaver5633 but she can go die in war. Lol. A 19 year old is not a minor. The age of consent varies from state to state but is usually around 16. Aside from LAW, 19 is old enough to know better. I'm not saying that she wasn't abused, I don't know that, but her claim of being a minor child at 19 holds absolutely no validity.
And had dated Edward Norton before Manson when she was even younger. She wasn't some innocent flower she had experience with older men before him
Exactly. Thought the same.
@@CCo15757 of course , I think that's part of the reason why she keeps referring to herself as a child or minor. She's shifting any blame she could have for any of her actions at that time onto him. It's gross
IMO she’s enjoying the limelight. People who were around ERW and MM, on a daily basis when they were together, have stated that she seemed extremely happy and appeared to be living her best life when she was with him. She may have been 19, but she was not some meek, naive girl. She had been playing “Lolita” type roles in film for years and even a part where a student falsely accuses her teacher of SA. And before she met MM, she with her first boyfriend (who she later married) and was was also with Edward Norton, who was in his 30s, when she was 16-17.
She says that MM approached her; however, I don’t know how true it is, but I did read that she had been a fan of MM for years and went to an adult party at the notorious Chateau Marmont for the express purpose of meeting MM. She wanted to be in one of his music videos.
This all just appears to me as someone who has some regrets about their youthful indiscretions and wants to rewrite history and blame someone else. She appears to be playacting here on The View, and comes across as somewhat too cheerful and vague about something that should have been devastating to her if it really happened to her. Like AH read up on all the symptoms of PTSD and then checked them all off as if she experienced them all personally, ERW appears here as though she researched everything about how abusers groom and treat their victims and is lecturing us all about how it works. She wants to be the poster child of the abused, just like AH. She’s just a better actress.
No woman had accused MM of abuse before ERW and her activist friends started a campaign of contacting women for this purpose, including forging an FBI letter to get to some of them. MM had had been married before and had had many longtime relationships with women-both romantic and platonic-where they said he is a “chump” with women and respectful. He was even engaged to Rose McGowen, of the #MeToo Movement, who said he was never abusive.
I don’t know what’s come over some of these women, but IMO AH and ERW have mental issues and narcissistic traits and they are selfishly ruining what good the #MeToo Movement did for women. ERW’s ex-husband doesn’t believe her and her brother says she has always been extremely narcissistic.
Yes!!!!!!!!! Well put!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Agreed! 100% everything you said!
Thx, for the great info!
One positive of the situation is that maybe the #metoo movement will include men.
@@cristarose503 it already did, there just weren’t enough that came forward. Anthony Rapp was one of the people that came forward with Kevin Spacey.
She approached him as a fan.
He helped her get into the industry later in their relationship.
At his house he is no longer Marilyn Manson. He was Brian because that is who he is. Manson is his stage persona. His character. He is also an introvert like JD, albeit a talkative one.
Just like Jack Sparrow is a character and JD is himself off screen.
For more information on Manson saga look up Colonel Kurtz who is one of those who have been delving deep. She has interviewed a number of his exes. Some will be surprised to hear that police are interviewing them after the interviews as one or more of them were approached to create stories of abuse by Manson.
Yes colonel Kurtz is a very insightful young lady I recommend everyone checks out her work on AH & ERW .
I watch her. She is really good . ERW used her hoax to say she was so afraid she had to leave and move far away. That was how she was able to take her son away from his father using a hoax so the father was unable to prevent it.
I am so tired of people bei g treated as guilty and having to prove innocence like Communist China. There are too many inconsitencies in this case. So i will continue looking into information that is out there and hopefully the truth will out.
Some of the other women she recruited have withdrawn their allegations.
@@raspberrysherbet5285 he has never been a paedophile. Prepubesent children is what paedo's like.
I have always found that those that accuse without evidence tend to be the ones actually doing the crimes. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law has always been western nations methods. Suddenly communist systems? Guilty and to prove ones innocence? Tsk tsk tsk. Hope this does not occur with you.
I'm not a huge Manson fan. I own his first album and that's it. I don't know what to make of this. I'm only halfway through and idk.
1) She's dressed like a puritan. It seems like she is trying to put as much distance between Manson's persona and her's as possible.
2) She called herself a minor when talking about making the video but she was 19. Not a minor.
3) "He gave me drugs". I remember 19, it didn't take much arm twisting for me to smoke some weed, drop some acid, or do line or two. Seems like refusing to take responsibility for her choices.
Gonna finish it now.
Exactly.
Those three reasons are enough to give me reasonable doubt.
Yeah I also noticed her calling herself a minor as well. She should know full well she was legally an adult. And from what I remember she was a wild girl back then. Like she was always very mature for her age, but I thought it was just kind of know she was into drugs and being rebelious. And so when she said he got her to do drugs, I think that's quite a different story from what actually happened. I think it's very likely she's editing the story to fit a narrative. She very likely did the drugs willingly, and probably even did them before meeting Manson. I almost get the feeling shes re-written what happened, with a new perspective where she was this young and innocent MINOR and that because of that she couldn't possibly have consented regardless of whether she was a willing participant in the drugs and sex. And btw, (in reference to a comment Evan made here) if Manson ACTUALLY raped her on a video set, the LAST thing he would do is imply the sex was real in an interview. The vast majority of people who are guilty of something will stay as far away from the crime as possible (verbally speaking). Idk. Something just feels off. And the sheer joy on her face really bothers me.
Forget arm twisting, I spent most of my time actively searching for drugs at that age 😅
This whole thing is disturbing. When/why did we start destroying peoples lives without concrete evidence? She said that she came forward with this before he ruined someone else's life. Does her life seem ruined? This kind of crap means that anyone who wants to can destroy you just because they want to...no evidence needed.
Nope.. her life wasn't ruined, except for maybe by making these false allegations & commitmg crimes to falsely accuse him lol He's been with the same woman for years & now married to her. It's absolutely disturbing, it's vile & disgusting... people just automatically believe a sad story, before even considering to look at allllllll the evidence, facts... and in this case there's so many facts pointing to this being a orchestrated false attack. I just don't understand. Can we just point a finger at someone and say "They murdered someone" and everyone just believe it? Of course not. The women who believe we should just believe all women simply because.. are lying to themselves. We women know there are vile, succubus women out there who will do anything for fame, revenge, wealth.. whatever lol Did everyone forget Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.. sheesh.
Im soooo thankful I grew up in 70s ! with social media, you are right, you can just go on the internet and destroy someone with words! I worry about anyone that has Sons. To think this Amber Heard clone can end up dating our sons is so scary
We are also in a time where journalistic integrity is dead. If one publication writes about something, the others will parrot the first without doing any investigating or fact checking. The media just wants to be the first to report something, not the most accurate. It can be super easy for a liar to play them based on those rules.
J'accuse started w/ MeToo attacking men. The point is erasing presumption of innocence.
It will spread. Theyve bred a populace of tattle tales, and vicious liars.
Submitting false charges just to get revenge or hurt someone else has been being done for a very long time... some people get caught, some don’t. Depp v Heard was SO GOOD for exposing these nasty moves- I really hope some good comes of it.
I sometimes smile when I talk about traumatic things. It's for relief. I also laugh when I'm nervous.
Our vice president has the same nervous laugh, thats very common.
I was shocked when she began to speak because it's opposite to how she's visually styled herself (manipulatively: demure, conservative, maybe shy or retiring). She seems very animated, slightly aggressive.
The interviewer says EVR was "ONLY nineteen"? Nineteen years old is old enough to know what you're doing. If she was sixteen that would be another thing, but at 19... sex and drugs and rock n' roll. Whether or not she was abused, she stayed in the relationship because she was getting something out of it. She wasn't isolated from family, friends or career. She could come and go as she pleased. She wasn't held captive physically or financially. "Celebrities" and people with money (paraphrasing her friend AH) have resources that so many abused women don't have. Women who are truly stuck in the damaging and sometimes fatal relationship. Women who are heinously abused, women with children and no financial resources to leave. Very different.
"ONLY 19"?? hell, i was graduated from college/university by the time i was about to turn 20. i also worked in the show biz, so i get it. I'm sure they had fights etc, but for me personally, it was all thrown out the window when the FAKE FBI thing happened
Thank You! She wants us to believe she thought Marilyn Manson was a choir boy.. not saying he abused her.. but she chose to get into a relationship that was sex, drugs & rock n' roll. She absolutely wasn't isolated from friends & family.. she was working professionally throughout their career.. MM & She visited her parents often, MM/ERW took a trip to Disney world with her parents.. far from isolated. And yes for goodness sake.. I was violently Abused for almost 6 years.. I had no way to leave, no money, nowhere to go.. if I went to my mom's he just followed behind me putting her & my baby sis who is 10 years younger than me & was 15-19 at the time in danger. I can assure you, you know immediately when your Abused. It's doesn't dawn on you 10+ years later in the middle of a metoo Era. It's not something you have to realize... and the fact that it happened with her & all the other accusers is so, very telling. Esme's story... is truly absurd. She was a BSDM model who hung from meat hooks in her back.. that's why he hired her for the video. She agreed to come to the US to film the video.. she was made full aware of what the content would be. She says he abused her the last day of the video shoot... but she then stayed in the US & DATED HIM for almost 2 YEARS. Part of her claim now is that he trafficked her. It's just crazy.
I saw an interview where someone said she was 19 and had recently left her parents stricter lifestyle and when she got with him she went kinda wild. Did some things she’s not proud of now. There is a huge difference between r@pe and regret. I don’t know what happened or if she’s truthful/lying. These people who were around her at the taping of that video said she was happy and they didn’t see anything “bad” happen during filming.
I have heard lots of conflicting information so what I would love is a timeline with supporting evidence. If she was 18 or older, that's an adult. My gut tells me that she got together with him BECAUSE he was the bad boy. That doesn't mean that he didn't do bad things but it does mean that the beginning of her story is not accurate which throws everything else into question.
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She said she was 19 during the video, then she calls herself a minor. (That is what I heard her say)
You don't have to rely on your gut. She said that she went there to see him because she was craving something dangerous.
@@miriamart9712 Thank you, I caught that, too. She was 19, she wasn't a minor.
I believe she used the word teen which eighTEEN and NineTEEN are to many considered a teen now a days it's called young adult I think. I consider it an adult but have heard many use it this way especially back home
In the 90's, I thought Manson was evil: he looked scary AF, and most of his music, especially music clips was, to me, were horrific! Then, I saw some interviews he'd done and my perception of him changed. It was a growth moment for me, to not judge someone by looks alone with out learning more about the person. Still not a fan of his music, but respect his intelligence. And these accusations came out,.....and now I'm confused. Knowing he is a friend of Johnny's confuses the matter more. Johnny is such a good soul, it's hard to imagine him being friends with someone, allegedly, like that.
Check out videos by Colonel Kurtz. I've never been a fan of Marilyn Manson, but Colonel Kurtz interviews several longtime friends of MM, and I now believe there MAY be some Amber Heard-type story telling going on by Evan Rachel Wood.
He's dirt. Absolutely obsessed with darkness and sado masochism. Many serial killers were intelligent people.
To my mind his only redeeming feature is the (erroneous) myth that he is the actor that played Paul in TVs Wonder Years.
Check out all the info on this case on these channels.. it's truly an awful plan they created. Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor has different kinds of video covering the case. Colonel Kurtz has interviewed MMs exes, roommate, & the girl in the groupie video ERWs girlfriend told ever he killed. Lawyer Limor just made a video on the case Manson recently filed. ERW & her girlfriend have broken many laws to falsely accuse him. It's astonishing, in a bad way.
Remember Johnny married his abuser. He's not the best judge of character.
Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson have been friends since JD was in his teens and he was playing in a band and Manson also played the same clubs. Coronel Kurtz happens to be very knowledgeable about both of these cases and she also brings a lot of other people to help with the analysis.
I am a survivor, I plumbed the depths of the suicide abyss, there wasn't a day for 38 years that I didn't want to go on. I am living with a few disabilities resulting from suicide attempts broken back from jumping from a building a bad heart from overdoses etc. Today, with the help of my children life has got better.
My point is she didn't really answer a thing, she spent the whole time talking about how she thinks others feel but she doesn't know. She came across as a disingenuous fraud.
Thank you for sharing your story. I personaly have never experienced any troubled times so far, so it is hard for me to reference or compare this to anything. It helps reading different oppinions about this case
I never quite trusted her...even though I wanted to believe her. Like Amber, there's just something off. I thought that about Evan before I'd even heard of Amber
Check out these channels- Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor. Lawyer Limor just made a video about the case Manson found against her and Illma Gore. It's nothing less than insane lol
Both really dumb, she learned nothing withthe Amber case.
I’d like to see you analyze her Feb 2018 testimony to the House Judiciary Committee about her experiences. It’s a lot less polished & would possibly give you more to work with.
It would be very interesting indeed. In Congress, Esmé Bianco, another "victim", also testified.
He won't discuss it.
Cuts into his Adsense revenue.
Wake up.
@@yukonstriker1703 The 2018 testimony cuts into his Adsense?
What about Ashley Morgan Smithline?
That was just her reframing consensual BDSM as abuse because that’s the trend now … 🙄
When Evan describes grooming, she explains as though she has advanced experience using the grooming tactics that she describes so cheerfully, and animatedly.
I am not saying this is the case; however...
If I could only tell you the things I did, choices I made from 18 through 23....
Oh Lordy.
Does anyone think, she is regretting her behavior of her younger years?
Projecting her self anger and self disgust in this ?
Well put, well said!
I'm determined to try keep an open mind going into this however, it's deeply unsettling to see her smile like that at such inappropriate moments.
Same. I am hesitant to say outright that I don't believe her, but many things she did in this appearance on The View leaves me feeling uneasy.
Same. That opening question and statement made me feel weird. It automatically seemed to have so many red flags.
@@MissaPality -To me she lost all credibility when I heard about how she & her partner Ilma Gore (a known con artist), faked a letter from the FBI, & hacked into Mansons computer & tried to download some disturbing illegal content involving children, in order to frame him. If she were really telling the truth then she wouldn't need to go faking evidence like that in order to ruin Manson.
@@kirstyfairly4371 absolutely! I have to be skeptical when they are trying to plant evidence to ruin someone. If they were as they say, they wouldn't have to plant it to get him in trouble. What is this world coming to that they have to manufacture evidence to convict someone? What kind of people are these people but con artist and grifters to do that for money? That ruins a person's life.
@@reginafetty6374 -Exactly, it's insane how easy it is for people to ruin another person's life with nothing more then an allegation, & they rarely ever get punished for it if they end up caught making false claims.
I don't follow either party involved in this accusation, so this is the first interview I've seen from her. I also take these types of accusation wih a grain of salt since I have known a couple of males that have been falsely accused.. The interview didn't give any real substance to her abuse accusation. She spent most of the time reiterating what a psychologist may tell a victim instead of talking from a personal perspective. There is nothing in this interview that made me believe her.
Her Phoenix Rising documentary is a detailed account of her side of this story. Until the trial, when both sides are actually on the stand and under examination…and we get both versions to deliberate…who knows?! Both sides do have compelling facts, but I do not think she is lying and playing a victim, just because AH was lying and played a victim. I also don’t think MM is innocent, just because he is friends with JD. This is a totally different case, and the abuse accusations are much more sinister in this case. MUCH more sinister. Luckily, there were many witnesses on the set of Heart Shaped Glasses, and their testimonies will be compelling.
I cannot stand her saying she was a minor at 19 years old. You are not a fucking minor at 19. Also, I am a recovering addict and i will tell you that anyone who does drugs does it of free will. Unless someone holds you down and puts the drug in your body somehow. Of course, you are going to have someone introduce you to drugs but that doesn't mean you have to do them. I get so tired of people blaming others for their own decisions such as drugs use. I think she did things that she regrets and now she wants to say it was abuse. I also think that others have gotten into her head and told her that it was abuse which makes her actually believe it was. It's hard for me to understand why someone would stay in an abusive relationship like she describes unless for financial reasons, kids or being completely alone if they were to lose their abuser. I stayed in an abusive relationship because of financial reasons and because he alienated me from everyone. I had literally nobody and the fear of being alone was worse than the abuse I endured. I hate to say it didn't happen because it could be possible, but I just get this really weird feeling in my stomach when I hear her speak.
Eh - she is a minor with regard to alcohol in drugs in the US. And the number one drug used for SA is alcohol and intentionally overserving. (I would find her statement about being a minor more problematic if she were trying to lie about her age being 19, but she never has).
I'm not arguing that I know what happened, but I know more women than I care to know that this happened to -- and if you add in polysubstance use or slipping drugs in - it definitely blurs consent a great deal.
As a woman, I personally stopped being willing to use alcohol on first dates, or if I had one or two drinks, I warned my dates that it would mean I was pre-emptively not consenting to anything physical in advance. This was just a personal choice I made after noticing that far too many men in my binge drinking state would try to overserve me in these efforts, and that's not okay.
@@Tcheera Yeah but still she is talking about taking drugs and he is giving her drugs. Which is not the accusation that he spiked drinks. The things she accused him of is slipping her amphetamines lol and raping her unconscious body. Total contradictions as how you can be unconscious and be drugged on amphetamines that keep you awake for days. You can't retroactively remove consent that you already gave. If this was a true rape situation i don't think it would have been recorded with brand new 3d technology just invented by james cameron at the time. This Video was recorded in 2007 and now all of a sudden its a rape? You can't even put out these videos without written consent of all involved. What we have here is another lady who post relationship is trying to collect big money from an ex who no longer wants anything to do with her. Im sure in every relationship there is mistreatment on both sides of the table. But she has made zero examples here and also the statute of limitations on rape in California where the video was recorded is 10 year increased from the previous 3. She filed a police report in 2021 which the police found no corroborating evidence whatsoever and did not even pursue manson. There are reasons these cases have a statute of limitations because after so long there is literally no way to preserve evidence and rarely does the criminal justice system prosecute based on he said she said crimes in 15 year old relationships. I just can't believe her. If she was so traumatized it never stopped her from becoming a successful actress in westworld. I think Marilyn Manson is an easy target because of his image and that if a woman truly thinks she has been raped (at the time not 15 years later) she should immediately report it and go to the hospital where a rape kit can be used to determine validity. I am sure plenty of incidents go unreported but when there is financial gain to be had i can't believe those who come from the woodwork with accusations years upon decades later.
You said a lot of what I was thinking. I stayed with mine as long as I did because we were married with a baby.
I think after she left she decided that she didn't like the decisions she had made. I agree that she probably had someone in her ear telling her that she could put the blame for all of her bad decisions on him and then they wouldn't be her fault.
I hope they televise the trial so that we can see the evidence and judge for ourselves whether or not he is guilty of the accusations.
@@Sentient.A.I. No that's not what she said - she didn't say she was unconscious. She said she was given alcohol and substances and that he penetrated her and that she hadn't consented to it.
She’s saying it in regards to the alcohol. But I DO believe it was a calculated word.
I've stumbled across this because of Johnny Depp's case. But full disclosure (watching too much law tube 🤣) I am a life long fan of Johnny and I couldn't believe in my heart he was an abuser. But I did worry alot after AH got the tro, and then Hallelujah, that Brian fella showed the truth on RUclips. And then the whole world got to see the truth, I was truly elated when he won in Virginia. I did a little dance in the restaurant I was in at the time.
Then this case came up. I'll be totally honest, Marilyn Manson is someone totally different to me. I know very little about him personally, but his music was just too dark for my taste. I love God and just didn't feel it. I'm a mammy from rural Northern Ireland and it kinda freaked me out. But obviously that's his stage act.
What I do know and feel is intuition and alarm bells when I watch a liar talking. This woman, (Im sorry can't even remember her name) is not telling the truth. When you just don't feel any emotion coming through the horrific story then there is a reason. Honestly I have no background in body language but I can say I'm an expert in bullshit detection and this story stinks. I'll not jump into any boat right now but all I can say is I find this person hard to believe right now after this interview
She appears to be VERY TRUTHFUL. Watch her documentary. You are being played by conflating Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson. They are VERY DIFFERENT chracters, and Depp has dropped in my estimation for hanging out with this creep/rapey/antisemitic racist Manson.
When she's muted, what does she look like? A Conductor, orchestrating her testimony.
Good eye!
I’m going to give him a innocent until proven guilty based on the evidence, and the testimonies.
Same and I'm also gonna give her the right to use her voice and give her the benefit. That's the law here
Maybe she's feeling power at how far she's come and also she's on a stage where millions of people are watching. But it feels like I'm watching a psychiatrist, psychologist or a professional person talking it doesn't feel like I'm watching a victim. I might be wrong.
Remember she is also an actress. Don’t really know now if the allegations are true, some want them to be true because he so disgusting, but that still doesn’t make it true.
"As a minor..." Didn't they say she was 19?
Yeah, they did. Found it weird too, but in the US you aren't allowed to drink alcohol under 21, so... anyway... Regret does not negate consent. I'm way past believing people's words without evidence, especially if they go on TV and just say stuff. I don't even know who she is, and I'm only here for Eric because he makes me smarter :)
its ilegal in the US to give or sell alcohol to anyone under 21
@@yayig80 depends on the state law at the time in MI it was 18
@@maryannenizio5074 really? i thought it was 21 on all states since 1984..
@@yayig80 you are right from feb 22 1984 .....but before that it was states rights
So in the end. She is trying to sway public opinion before the case has been tried in court. AH did the same to JD. And Marilyn Manson lost his music deals etc immediately without a trial.
Marilyn Manson has been blamed for many things in his career because of his stage character and because he looks 'scary'. That includes the Columbine shooting.
Her film came out LONG BEFORE THERE WAS ANY CASE IN COURT. Grow up, and get real.
@@kborbus6726 hahahahahahaha
Innocent until proven guilty in a court.
The thing that annoys me is the interviewers saying things like “you were in his video at 19.. you were only 19” … that’s not a child! At 19 I had been supporting myself for 3 years, had a great job, apartment, vehicle… living an independent life. They need to stop infantilising females.
She looks so happy at the darkest points - perhaps because she is feeling so proud of herself. She loves the attention on her actions of doing "good" to society. Being on TV is a high for her and she is delighted.
Yuck
What's wrong with being happy at your darkest points. It just shows people are very strong. Have you ever heard of optimism.
@@huggywuggy995 If you are going to claim that someone ruined your life. And they are suing you for that, you might not want to walk around with a big smile on your face...just sayin'
@@huggywuggy995 when you’re marketing yourself as a “Phoenix” and hamming it up to prove a point it’s a bit much.
OMG!! The comparison with Amber Heard is just eerie! No Emotions when telling story or even when she talks about Suicide. Ive been there and I will tell you, 15yrs later and I still have trouble not crying when I tell others about it. She is Ambers Sister alllllll the way
I have no idea whether she's telling the truth or not (I kinda don't like her already) , but speaking from experience: you can't always assume that someone is lying when they don't show emotion when talking about being raped and attempting suicide means someone is lying. I can and do speak about my experiences without emotion. No one wants to relive the pain and horror of their ordeals. At some point, it becomes like telling a story and I'm sure some people wouldn't believe me. On the other hand, there have been times the only emotion I felt when talking about the incidents is righteous anger.
That's as maybe, I really do understand where you are coming from. It gets to the point beyond grief when we become numb, but, on the same point I don't think you would find me suppressing smiles and delight whilst trying to recant the experience(s).
@@orionsdaughter6349 Excellent point! I missed that and will watch again.
@@janebrown3587 but that shows signs of it. That is emotions you would expect. She talks like a politician with an agenda. She doesn't talk like something happened to her. Do people hear your story and feel that you are making it up? Or can they see that you did live this and have learned to overcome it? Do you tell your story like it is someone else's story or do you tell it like it is your story to tell. I seriously want to know. I know people who have dealt with abuse and sa and you can see the pain and embarrassment in their demeanor, even when they try to hide it.
@@reginafetty6374 It's hard to draw any conclusion from this interview. Her 'professional' persona could very well be a defensive strategy to protect herself (and in the context of the show it seems appropiate). When she switches from "I" to "you" it could very well be a strategy to detach herself from her experiences. I can relate to this, because I notice myself doing this in some situations. The only thing that's actually irritating, is her seemingly happy demeanor, while talking about these dark episodes, but this could mean anything and also be part of her 'act' she puts on to protect herself. Would be interesting to see her in a non-professional setting.
She was literally "weaving" the story in front of the camera
More women need to speak up about crazy women, we all have a friend /sister / cousin that’s not wrapped too tight.
It's the best way forward yes.
For decades men have been scathing towards abusive men, not always but generally speaking.. in some cases we've kicked the ever living s*** out of any guy who abused a sister, an aunt, a daughter, a niece
Society tells men to go further and instead label ourselves as ALL being abusers in waiting, potential rapists etc.
We could definitely use strong, intelligent women highlighting the class of unstable and abusive women out there. It helps everyone and even from the female perspective it can lead to helpful therapy for the women who are the unstable ones
Amen to that
Yes!!!
Amber is nuts but Esme Bianco I'm not sure about she seems very believable
Look at the evidence. Not the practiced delivery of an actress.
She is doing what AH does. Has been coached into what it is to be a certain type of victim.
They are playing parts like in a movie. ERW is just way better at it.
For a year and a half now, people have listened to ERW's story (and other accusers). To be fair, People should take a look at MM's version and read his complaint. Without necessarily believing in his innocence, it should at least make people question things. Unfortunately, the majority of people prefer to believe that the "bogeyman" is guilty, even without evidence.
I am leaning more torwards believing her, and want to believe her. However, I'm 100% open to his side, and have read his complaint. A lot of his complaint is more torwards the other defendant and if even half of what he's claiming is true, it's looking BAD for ERW. I am still more on her side, but am open to change my stance once the evidence is presented.
@@mandy5232 Having an open mind is key. Based on the facts and the evidence, I don't believe her. MM has evidence and has always been consistent while ERW only has words and contradictions.
She LOVES the public platform,being this heroic survivor, & advocate & to have everyone praising her🙄AH 2.0 coming soon to a courtroom near you⏳️
At this point, with no evidence presented I am looking at both of them with a skeptical eye. I refuse to make a judgement about either without knowing the details. I want them both to have a fair trial and I want the truth to fully come out.
There is evidence of her and his ex assistant faking a FBI letter and having all his electronics taken by the police. You should look into it. There are people who have been investigating all of this for years.
Colonel Kurtz.
i agree
Leave it to The View is present a false story.
Your statement is devoid of facts. Grow up.
For some reason I can't look at her. I feel it physically in my stomach.
You must have a very sensitive radar that you listen very closely too. Nice!
I dont believe ERW, but i do believe she wants to rewrite her history and also get back into the limelight. I heard the term “regret revenge” before, and i think thats whats happening, along with any personality disorders she may be diagnosed or yet to be diagnosed with. Seen plenty of interviews with exes who were interviewed and none of them say he was abusive in any way, just that he was intelligent, introvert, vanilla, complete romantic. His stage persona is something different to what he is like off stage and performing. I also believe in my gut, that something is off with ERW. She was not a minor while with Brian Warner, 19 in America is not a minor, younger then he was, but not a minor, and its just weird that she thinks she was a minor while with him.
Ah.
Under 21 is a 'minor' with respect to alcohol, which she claims she was given in the bit where she refers to herself as a minor, but she the way she rolled it all together certainly suggested she was talking about age of consent, not drinking age. Is she claiming she was provided alcohol ('as a minor') before or after she took the illegal drugs ('as an adult')? Hmmmm.
Also, even though giving alcohol to someone under 21 is the crime of 'providing alcohol to a minor' in most jurisdictions, if you're over 18 I don't think you get to claim you didn't consent to drinking. Generally you are responsible for your own decisions at that age, and if it came to light, you would be in equally hot water for accepting the drink as the other person is for providing it.
She's as full of it as Amber, those two are evil and in way over their heads.
The main difference is that ERW is a very talented actress and actually fools people with that talent.
I don’t know enough to make a decision one way or the other, regarding ERW’s allegations, but I don’t know if it’s fair to expect details from the alleged victim on a tv show. Trauma triggers are real, so I don’t blame her if she decided not to go into details about abuse or suicide. The only time I would expect details are in depositions and/or in a courtroom, where they are absolutely critical. We will see, if the trial happens, what happens. Until then, I’m staying neutral.
And that is indeed a very smart position to take, especially in the wake of the Heard/Depp trial, from which I believe we have learned a lot.
I don’t understand why anyone a victim of DV, would go in any talk show to discuss it. I think, if true, one would pour their heart out during much time spent with a therapist. Rihanna didn’t do and we definitely know she is a victim.
I don't think it's fair to go on a publicity tour, make allegations on social media and make a documentary about mm when he hasn't been proved guilty in a court of law. Presumption of innocence is everything and everyone is entitled to due process. The fact she's friends with the turd who along with her legal team name dropped mm throughout the depp v turd trial doesn't put erw in a good light
@@annhenry3135 because she believes (or is trying to personify herself) as a champion for victims. I do believe that victims blame themselves for falling for someone who later abuses them. They believe they are alone and because of that, allow themselves to be abused for longer. When people speak out and show strength after trauma, it’s to help victims believe themselves to hold strength for making it past that. Haven’t decided myself on these allegations, but I can see how she can behave this way. Her being on a talk show by itself doesn’t discredit her. That said, she is definitely on the attack.
@@ItsjustmeAR Obviously by your reply, you are speaking by what you have read. I have experienced this type of abuse but never blamed myself. It was all him. I would have never publicly whined about my situation. I sought counseling and legal assistance. Anyone who blames themselves is not operating with a functioning brain. Has been actors are the least of the people I would believe if they went on a cackling hen show to ‘woe is me.’ It appears either to gain financially or revive a ‘on life support’ career. She and Amber Heard have hurt other people who are victims of abuse with few resources for help.
We shouldn't be assuming that Evan is lying just because of Amber, what happened with Evan happened YEARS before Johnny and Amber, she just had to keep quiet because of legal reasons. Could she be lying, Absolutely! But just assuming because the Amber trial is so fresh in our minds.. not right
Agree this is very disturbing....I think AH is the abuser but there is no reason these cases should be linked at this point
In my opinion, this is happening because Amber's legal team, kept trying to link depp with manson, clearly because of the accusations /manson's "odd" entertainment persona.
Yea we just dont know. But thats why Amber hurt so many because people will think others are lying now because of her.
People not believing Evan has very little to do with AH. It's about her influencing other MM "victims" by to come forward by posing as an FBI agent. She used the agent's name on fake FBI letterheard. She and her partner gave these women scripts. That's a problem in terms of Evan's creditability.
@@shortyp1000 I agree, HOWEVER she was a different person when she was in court. Personal opinion, Gore was what fucked things up.
When she talks about the rose colored glasses video, she says “no one under the influence can consent, especially a minor. “ Well she was not a minor at the time she was 19! She has a way of sneaking in the minor thing, or calling herself a “teenager” to make it seem like she was younger at the time that she was with Marilyn Manson.
However she had already dated a 30-year-old man, Edward Norton, for years starting when she was 16-17, so it’s not like she was some virginal innocent naïve young girl! But boy does she want the viewers to think she was.
But you can NOT consent when you're under the influence
It seems strange that these good looking and powerful women portrait themselves as helpless little damsels in distress without any own agency or influence.
I don't know this particular story but she reminds me of Amber.
Word is her father was a tyrannical theater teacher who mixed fantasy with reality her whole childhood. Her brother said she can't tell the difference between the two. That means she's legally insane....
Poor little rich girl, with her theatre father and million dollar music video role
@@kkraut No amount of money makes up for being abused by your family. She's clearly insane but the dollars and roles won't soothe that. Personal responsibility is a start.
You asked: I made an attempt on my life and immediately regretted it. My wrist with a fresh box cutter. The second the tendons popped out of my wrist and the blood started spraying, I regretted what I had done. I spent the next week in the hospital.
I actually find it stunning that you haven't heard of people that have attempted suicide and were immediately grateful that they failed the attempt. There are stories of the only survivors that have jumped off of multiple big bridges famous for suicides and every single one of them says that they regretted the attempt the second they came to. They also said that they were no longer suicidal after that and found a way to move forward with their lives and cope with their depression. Sure some people are going to see a failed suicide attempt as a negative in the immediate future. Other people will understand that it was a mistake right away. And some people might even find it a catalyst for change. I know that mine changed me in certain ways. It certainly made me realize that I am not a suicidal person.
She said she was raped on the heart shaped glasses set. Yet there were numerous people on set that saw nothing happen. There were cameras and numerous witnesses present.
When she is answering or even when the interviewers are stating what allegedly happened to her, she has no emotion that would be expected and seen from literally 99.9% of other survivors.
There's an interview that Evan did shortly after her and Manson got back together and she speaks about him and their love and how wonderful he is. I'd be really interested in hearing your analysis of that. Because her body language in that video is completely different than the one we just saw.
If you happen to have a link, please share. Thanks!
@@erichunley her parts of the interview are sprinkled throughout thidll
ruclips.net/video/lYftPGNXXaM/видео.html
It’s a fantastic example of how cultural norms play into the impression of a musician. I don’t think I’ve been aware of the reputation or portrayal of him as something fish out of water or negatively or what not. In Scandinavia he was not. He was just another musician with make up and leather/latex. Reality was also happening a lot slower here. Unfortunately that has catches on but MM was not all that different from other of his peers.
That's fascinating, thanks for sharing! I'm from the Netherlands, and over here we're acutely aware of how much more chill Scandinavia is when it comes to metal and musicians like MM and other shock rockers etc. But in the Dutch culture, the average person is still likely to assume MM did these things because of his shocking appearance. It's only the people who are into metal who know that it's just a persona, and that it does not say anything positively or negatively about who they are as a person. Me and my rock/metalhead friends usually envy Scandinavia because metal is so much more accepted. Over here you'd never find a radio station that would ever allow to play even something like Nightwish. So we're a little in between the US and Scandinavia in a way. We're aware of the Scandi attitude to metal, but our culture with regards to it still more resembles the US. Here it's only the rock fans and metalheads that are more in line with Scandinavia instead of the general public.
Agree! I am from Sweden. I remember the video of The Dope Show in th 90's when I was a kid. My parents let me watch that along with Barbie Girl of Aqua on Voxpop, here it was no difference.
After Columbine Massacre MM got falsely accused in alot of US Media. You can watch his interview by Michael Moore and you'll see Brian Warner behind the MM persona.
As much as I appreciate the analysis of ERW, maybe overthinking it, but her trial has yet to begin, and I worry that she will use these analysises (by other channels as well), to use and study to "perfect" her upcoming testimony.
And is it just me, or anyone else notice how her and AH sound similar? Either AH mimicked ERW or vice versa.
I was thinking the same. About her using these type of videos for coaching.
I've worried that "they" might become better liars after reading the "tips" online. I am mostly convinced that what they do is so ingrained that they are incapable of seeing the truth, then speaking or doing the truth. I'm less worried that they'll lose their lying habits.
Shes definitely watching videos in mansons defence. Cos shortly after they are up she starts with new stories. Like having the abortion was never mentioned till a mutual friend spilled the tea. Then suddenly he was mean to her after the abortion. She left out the fact it was another mans baby right enough.
Glad I am not the only one whom has been thinking these. But it is scary.
As for the abortion, that definitely hurt him, since biological men, even bio-females (many), cannot have babies, and all they dream about is having a child.
I am thinking the same way. I think AH tried to do the same thing during the break of the trial. Before she turned off the "crying" like a director saying cut. Then on the one incident she tried to make it go for a longer period of time to try to make it look more believable, but it wasn't. She seemed to get quite a few tips while scanning alternative media, but just wasn't convincing. I wonder if we will get to see any footage to see if this one understands and works the emotions and calms her hands, like she is casting a spell.
She said she was 19 in the video, then said you can't give consent as a minor referring to her allegation they had sex in the video. Since when is 19 a minor?
Ikr? People seem to forget that 18 is the legal adult age.
Yeah, plus, the other people who were part of the video said that they were wearing underwear. She keeps actng like the movies they made were real life.
I don’t know much about the case yet, but I saw the documentary and the one thing that bothers me is the fact that she calls herself underage when she was 18 - 19 and a bit more in-the-know than the average 18 - 19 year old because she was in the industry since she was a kid. I commented this on someone’s video and they said “she meant underage as in under the drinking age” but she never makes that distinction and, in the documentary, she shows animations OF HERSELF AS A CHILD, when she speaks of her story. That’s odd to me because it’s not necessary, she can just say she was a lot younger than him, which is literally true and can be problematic, but she’s trying to make it sound as if she was a child. It’s just an unnecessary exaggeration. Edit: That detail makes me doubt her intentions just a tiny bit, also the fact that she continues to support AH. If I was a victim, I wouldn’t stand behind a liar who tried to use DV and abuse to get ahead and destroy someone. But that’s just me.
where does erw claim to still support ah?
@@jiwonswrld She has defended AH in previous years and had absolutely nothing to say about the verdict either way, so I’m assuming. I thought she would make some kind of a stance, but she didn’t and that speaks volumes IMO.
@@michellecgb i’ve seen her defenses for ah and it had nothing to do with the allegations, it had to do with amber’s sexuality being highlighted by the media when ah made the accusations in 2016. erw even said that she could not comment on the allegations.
@@jiwonswrld That’s my point, she hasn’t said anything at all about it, which is odd for an advocate who has a friend who lied about such serious things. But whatever, it doesn’t make me discard her allegations, it just makes me weary. Her friendship or relationship with Ilma Gore is also a bit sus when you look into her. These things are just a bit weird to me, that’s all.
@@jiwonswrld shes put some posts up which seems to low key support amber. But shes clever enough not to actually admit it publicly lol
"This was planned" - the joy. Do you think it could be linked to the possibility her and the ex assistant and others have possibly been setting this up? Other exes have been approached by her or the ex assistant has emailed others to send in stories of abuse. I am hoping the police investigation uncovers something.
It's much deeper than even that. She's impersonated an FBI agent & everything.
@@Mandy-nt2cs I know. I apologise. Was making individual comments as they were discussing things. So spread out, incl one about the letter. And the seizing of his electronic devices.
@@Mandy-nt2cs Really? I haven't been following this case. Why isn't she in jail for impersonating a federal officer?
Thank you for this video!! There is definitely something odd with her behavior. Have you seen her appearance on Jimmy Fallon (June 24th) where she is promoting her show and HERSELF shamelessly as if she never went on the talk show circuit a few months ago to talk about Manson. She is definitely an attention seeker and when she was criticized by her Manson accusations she decided to flip it and goes on Fallon with an over-the-top promotion of herself where the crowd just eats it up. She's trying to manipulate this scenario to her advantage. Mainstream audiences are so gullible.
I saw that Jimmy Fallon appearance, she was acting crazy to me, especially when she started singing🙄
@@kristcanya7039 I agree!! The singing was utterly insane. It's like she was possessed 😬
I believe her as much as I believed Amber heard, she doesn't look traumatized at all. SHe seems too happy. Just trying to get some money from Brian and ruin him. And i detest The View, way to controversial, hate these women.
I don't think she looks happy I think she looks demented. I'm guessing she had a messed up childhood which led to some unhealthy decisions as an adult. Instead of taking personal responsibility for her feelings of despair and lack of self alignment she is trying to blame others, in particular her male partners.
Body language aside, in her description of "grooming," she's basically just projecting on to Manson what she imagines was going on in his head, as if this means anything. A guy meets a girl he's attracted to and tries to make himself attractive to her but she recasts this as "manipulation" and "grooming," as if she could explain how she would know the difference between the two. I have no idea what was going on in Manson's head. Is there some reason I'm supposed to believe she knows? Also, if the age difference between them alone for some reason establishes that Manson was an abuser for the crime of being attractive to her when she was 19, why isn't she accusing Edward Norton of the same thing?
Didn't she approach him?
Not that I’m saying anything in her favor, but some people, like JD for instance, they smile at bad things, which is weird, but not unheard of. She, however, I believe isn’t one of those people. Also, she was 19 when she met Manson. She was an adult. Groomers take advantage of young children and minors. Once you’re past the age of 18, you are considered an adult. Although there was an age gap, obviously it wasn’t an issue for her for many, many years. She may have been younger and possibly not as experienced as him (obviously he has had more years of life). 19 isn’t a minor. You may not be able to purchase alcohol, but she wasn’t a minor! She also could have said no, if there was drugs and alcohol, again, she wasn’t a little kid, she wasn’t a minor that needed to have mommy or daddy to say no for her. Take some responsibility for your actions. Even if she felt pressured, she was an adult who could use her words. She had a choice in this, and just because she regrets it now, doesn’t mean that she gets to blame others for it now, just like AH, she seems like she won’t take any responsibility for her actions in this either
Somebody in the comments mention that she was married at 16. So she was not innocent in being with somebody.
It's like she's describing a book she read.
I have to say,as someone who has been in an abusive relationship, mental,emotional and sexual,I left when it started to become physically abusive because there is always a choice and that just hit me like a ton of bricks one day.Mentally,I was lost,I had no self esteem and it meant I had no place to live and still had to work in the same company as the guy.However,there is still some level of personal responsibility,to decide what u r going to do,stay,leave,report it,don’t report it.Yes,there are consequences to those decisions but at some point you have to take some responsibility.I did need help to leave and I understand some people don’t have that but ERW did.I think she made some decisions she regretted and is trying to explain them away by saying she was not in control.
P.S I also had a failed suicide attempt and yes,it does make u feel like ”Jesus! I can’t even do that right!”but it also means everyone finds out what’s going on and u either try to get better or u pretend to and wait till they think ur well enough that u can attempt it again.
Are you better now or do you pretend to?! 🥺🙄
Thank you. I'm glad you got out. It's important to stress personal responsibility, as you did.
They talk about female empowerment while teaching them to be victims.
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@@nobletarabas1 I’m better than I was,but I still struggle with some things.The scars will always be there but my life is so much better now.
@@devi_dane3982 Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad you got out of that situation and are on the right path so that we could hear your perspective here today!
@@devi_dane3982 Glad to "hear" that! ☺️
Scars are signs of living, a "medal" of all the hard challenges you passed!!! Be proud of yourself, love yourself and forgive yourself!!
There is a beautiful life waiting for you! And never forget "Night is the darkest right before sun rise" 😉
Hang on, now she claiming that he gave her alcohol and slept with her when she was still a minor? I thought their 'relationship' started when she was 18.
3:25 But if he approached her under the pretense of work, how did she end up being known as his girlfriend and why was she ok with that if it was wrong? And Marilyn has been well known as a shock rocker for years. His music videos are graphic and his makeup is scary. What false impression did she get from him? That's not a wolf in sheep's clothing, it's a wolf that _you_ mistook for a dog! And her description of his grooming felt very distant like she wasn't describing herself (just like Amber does). She also said she was a minor when it happened, but was 19 years old. That's not a minor. She would be in college at that age.
Grow up, watch the documentary. She was already an established actress at 18 but still a naive 18 year old. remembe when YOU were 18? Come on.
@@kborbus6726 18 still isn't a minor. I do remember being 18, actually. My mom would not have been ok with me dating an older man. I'm not the one who went on interviews in 2009 talking about enjoying dating older men though. And she openly talked about how her own mother was never ok with her dating older men either.
Who TF thought that a relationship with Marilyn Manson would be anything but strange and dark. I mean, if anything did happen then she really did walk straight into it.
The way she’s dressed is very sound of music. Reminded me of Amber in that one day when she tried to look really innocent and wholesome. Rachel is doing the same here.
But to be fair, I tattooed Marilyn Manson’s name on my ankle with a pin at 15. I had 1 cassette with ‘Antichrist Superstar’ on it and listened to it everyday for over a year. I don’t feel much for his recent music but he’s probably had the biggest impact any musician has had on me and my life.
He’s actually very intelligent. He’s kind of a nerd actually. His whole persona filled a huge gap in the metal scene. And he nailed it! (to a cross😁)
I also really liked this chicken too after West world. But the second I saw the first article I thought to myself that she’s doing another Amber. Quite possibly she’s not and I don’t know the details but Marilyn is a lot of barking but very little biting. A sheep in wolves clothing.
you can't be 19 and still be a minor once you turn 18 ion the eyes of the law your an adult, and GROOMING Is children not adult women and men. you weren't groomed as an adult, you were tricked or something but keep that word out of the mouth cause you Groom under age children not adults.
Everything is third person. When this happens to you etc. I don't need all the statistics either. It doesn't seem genuine it seems made up. There's absolutely no eye contact. She looks like she's so happy to be there talking about such a sensitive subject. The whole thing stinks if you ask me and from the evidence I heard I can't take her word. Guess we will find out during court though 🤷
Minor? She was at least almost 20 in 2007. Why does she say she was a minor in the video? What?
If she was 19 she was not a minor was she?
I wanted to address the comment the gentleman made about the failed suicide attempt of ERW and that being a catalyst to get help and make her life better. I had a friend that shot herself in the head and by some miracle survived. She wrote an essay about the experience and how surviving the attempt changed everything for her. She had a metal plate in her head. I do not know what Wood's attempt was. I don't know if she even really tried to kill herself. I am not saying I believe of disbelieve her. I just wanted to point out that it isn't unheard of for people to get a lease on life after a failed suicide attempt
True and some use suicide attempts to get attention or attempts that seems to be the case. I don't know if their is something truly wrong with them but the will attempt it when they know that someone will be around to save them. If you shoot yourself in the head and live, that would definitely be a turning point moment, that you have a purpose and need to find what that purpose is.
She dug glass into her wrists, but was able to drive to her mom?
It seems to me that it’s more regret than abuse. She describes her suicide attempt as from a depression state than abused state. Hollywood is a strange place and maybe she felt that she’d lost all relevance and needed to bring attention to herself, I just don’t know. I don’t know anything of the back story and just going off this interview but my gut is saying something’s not right
She has a starring role in a successful HBO Max series. She has had a fairly successful career overall. I don't think that whatever is going on is about getting attention for herself. If she is lying it is sad to me because she is actually a talented actress, unlike Amber Heard, if she gets outed as a liar I would miss watching her work.
Once you look into the facts, you'll be blown away at the absurdity of these women's claims & the crimes Evan & Illma have committed to falsely accuse him.
@@karenholmes6565 Oh she's a liar alright. The lady has impersonated an FBI agent, tried to plant child po*n on MMs devices.. you wouldn't believe the absurdity of it all once you dig into the facts. It's insane. Check out Colonel Kurtz, Stevie J Raw & Lawyer Limor here on YT. Lawyer Limor just did a video on the Manson's court filing. Have a look.. it's nuts.
@@karenholmes6565 Yeah, this is a point, which makes her more believable than AH. She wouldn't need to boost her public profile over false allegations. If the evidence shows the opposite, I really wonder what her intentions are.
@@karenholmes6565 Nvm, I just read in her declaration that she is using the situation with MM to withhold her son from his father (Jamie Bell). There is definitely more going on..
I would suggest reading her court filings with her ex Jamie bell to get an insight into her behavior when she’s confronted with questions, it’s very eye opining in my opinion
Thanks for the heads-up. This seems like a total mess, which is getting worse.
I got burned by Amber, so I'm very much looking forward to hearing both sides evidence. Bring it on!
Yr not being unfair at all Eric. Evan Rachel seems to be answering mostly as an expert rather than a SA and DV victim/survivor. She speaks as an authority, rather than "this is what I personally experienced".
Nice catch about the casualness to a very heavy topic. Victims I know with years of therapy still at least tear up (naturally), or might still have rage, or they don't say a word. They don't go on national TV on a famous long-standing show and get the stage with no interruptions. ERW's got nothing. Either the View panel doesn't understand about abuse, or they've been silenced to only ask specific questions. Cross examination in a courtroom is going to be a whole different venue (assuming MM has a great attorney).
She’s talking like an activist and dressing matronly like AH did
She is an actual activist unlike AH she literally helped get the law changed in California
I don't see real sadness on her face just like i didn't see it with Amber. Just some storytelling. She knew what she was doing and going into back then and now she changed her mind. While she was with him, making videos and partying it was ok but now she decided it was not ok
I wish that you had SA survivor experts as part of this AND that if you felt that you must that you were analyzing something a bit more reasonable than a DAYtime talk show that is subject to a ton of rules and limitations regarding what can even be discussed. I mean sincerely it's the freakin' VIEW. For anyone who has actually heard the claims she's made of what he did (whether you believe them or not), what of them do you think are daytime appropriate?
Aside from that, it's incredibly common for SA victims to intellectualize and distance like this and to make twisted smiles and to do anything they can to soothe. If you don't believe Amber Heard and believe JD was a victim of abuse, look at how many times he had awkward smiles while talking about his abuse on the stand while even talking in detail. And sometimes when talking more globally he would switch to using "You".
No one knows what happened here - but something that is interesting is that MM is NOT directly suing her for defamation for her abuse claims, even though I'm sure that's the narrative that is and will be put out if he wins his suit. He is suing Ilma Gore and only her tangentially. I do suspect that Ilma Gore is using ERW as well and that she is being subject to exploitation by yet another partner in this instance, and that it may end up in a narrative that she also wasn't abused due to a crafty lawsuit and PR machines and that it won't matter whether she's telling the truth about what happened to her or not if things are manipulated and if she was in two exploitative relationships. Largely this case is actually MM vs IG -- ERW is only tangentially a party and in the lawsuit the truth of whether she was abused or not won't be material to the lawsuit unless the jury decides that it is.
Defamation is almost impossible to sue for in California. Even harder in cases like this. This whole thing is so likely to be part of the Me2Movement trying to pull down powerful males. I can't find the article I read on it but there are a whole lot of false allegations by the leadership of Me2 and they all happened near the same time and a lot of males got canceled without any evidence. In fact, in many of the cases, the women, like Evan said specifically that they were in happy, healthy relationships and Evan said that the persona was fake and that Manson was into romantic love relationships in real life. But now things she said were fake back then, she now says are real. williamofoccam.com/amber-heard-michele-dauber-emily-doe-metoo/
The fact that she has to point out that she was not drawn to him at all, and he was the one that was drawn to her (not just showed interest, or approached first), makes me feel like that is not the complete truth.
I will have to say that ERW seems more likable than Amber Heard, but that’s not saying much because she’s doing the same thing: destroying a man through the media without proof. At least she doesn’t screw up her face into constant micro-expressions that leap from “angry face” to “disgust face” and back again within seconds. ERW keeps her facial expressions pretty much “Pollyanna face” throughout her rehearsed speech. Or, like Mr. Stone said it best: “customer-service face.” 😂 Evidently neither is able to summon what might be a genuine “victim-of-abuse face.”
I would be truly sad for ERW or AH if I believed that they really were victims of abuse, but I just don’t believe either one of them, because their stories don’t make sense when real facts are known.
I think her smiling is s smugness, that she is cocky with the evidence against him i think she gets defensive when talking about victim generalization. I think she is well educated on being abused and is upset and Passionate about how people perceive victims etc. Its hits a nerve with her.
I found gavin stone completely accurate. He did a great job. Great analysis 👍. I've heard multiple sources say she was fully coherent during the heart shaped glasses video and they were both wearing underwear, both really into it and that one scene took 2 hours to film and they kept stopping to get the lighting right and she was fully engaged with how the scenes should look what with being an actor an all 🙄 I don't believe her #istandwithmanson
I feel flashbacks of Amber here
Never forget, she was with Edward Norton when she was 17.
I’m a survivor of ritual abuse and have been through years and years of therapy and groups, I wish that I could act this dismissive
I'm confused about idea of not being able to consent while both are drinking. If both partners are drunk did they both grape each other bc neither could consent. Could they both be arrested and charged for having drunk s*x. Should every couple that goes to liquor store be split up and sent to jail?
It's a grey area. Having sex with a drunk person is not necessarily rape. Factors to determine whether it was rape or not need to be considered. For example were they coerced into drinking to get them into to have sex. Were they vulnerable. Were they completely out of it drunk.
Does Evan look drunk. Does she look drunk in the photos when the video was being made.
Keep in mind she may have been a heavy drinker and could appear normal. I don't know. I just don't believe she was drunk at all to be honest.
Sorry, I think people are getting this wrong.
1. She's doing this interview as an activist. This is not a confessional, a therapy appointment, or a stand on trial. She's there to shine a light on abuse, and she's passionate about it for a reason.
2. As someone who experienced sadistic abuse(which is what she's alleging-that really sort of manipulative, intentional abuse. Which is on another level than someone being careless or hot-headed.) for years, her manner of speaking about it doesn't strike me as odd at all. It is very difficult to talk about and relive specific events with even a close friend or therapist, much less on national TV!
3. She has clearly been through therapy/done some processing, and the way she is analyzing and gesturing reflects that. Yes, she wants to distance herself from it-and that is part of a healing process, to be able to reflect and understand and not be stuck in the trauma. Yes, she is happy to feel empowered to talk about it at all. What a relief!
4. She's talking with a panel of women, and it is fairly commonplace for women to speak about abuse in this way, like it's a shared understanding, which has some disturbing implications. (I like that she mentions that men experience it, too. Not a club anyone WANTS to be part of, but welcome?)
5. Evan Rachel Wood and Amber Heard don't behave alike at all. Amber Heard lost credibility because she was weirdly flat or dismissive at times and overly emotive or descriptive at others. Evan Rachel Wood has been consistent in the way she has been speaking about this. It's not proof, but it strikes me as genuine.
Thank You for looking at this case & not judging before looking at the facts. Her (& the others) stories are ridiculous.. not to mention the crimes she's committed to falsely accuse him.. and I have a feeling many less people will be willing to speak the truth about & cover the facts of this case simply bc of his career persona.. folks really have misunderstood even that lol as they did Elvis, KISS & all the others.
If she goes on the view you ready know she is lying.
While most often true. In Mathematics always and never statements are usually false. Keep that in mind.
Lol I was experimenting with drugs at the age of 19… I mean, I know 19 is still young in the big picture, but I was definitely mature enough at that age to make my own decisions and not be swayed by someone trying to get me high. If she would have said it started when she was 15 or 16 I’d be concerned but 19? She said she was a minor?? 19 isn’t a minor? I’m so confused. This doesn’t look like someone who is talking about being S.A.‘ed. I work with toddlers and they blame each other for the smallest things. One of them will hit another one and then cry and point their finger when the other one hits them back. That’s more the energy I’m getting from her. Like she’s throwing a tantrum and saying, “waaaaah- he called me a meanie!” I’m definitely down to see her evidence, but 👀
PS: Remember when the media tried to blame MM for Columbine?? His music and persona have come under attack heavily before. And the first time was absolutely baseless. Metal music does not make people shoot up anywhere.
I don't listen to that type of music and I don't know what kind of effect it has on others mental state but as for me, when I am exposed to that kind of music, it messes with me and I have to get away from it. I get very frustrated and aggravated and angry. So to say someone's music does not cause people to go and do violent things or effect them in certain ways, I would have to disagree. It does effect me, but I keep myself composed and leave the music area or change the music.
@@reginafetty6374 they were blaming Manson specifically. Not metal music as a whole, but Manson’s metal music.
Also, someone who’s angry may listen to metal music or metal music may make someone feel angry…. But if someone is going to shoot up a place, it’s NOT the music. That person already has issues with anger and other things and they choose to listen to the music. It’s not the music itself that makes them decide to kill people.
@@reginafetty6374 pop music makes me feel irritated and angry but you don’t ever see people blaming Ariana grande for mass shootings. I think you’re being a bit exagerarive bc you have something against that type of music based on your cultural perception (or something of the like) I was raised by a bluegrass musician, am a bluegrass musician and am a lifelong metal head. You’d never accuse bluegrass music as influencing someone to shoot up a school but bluegrass music is often darker than metal music. Just bc you hear “loud and noisy and angry” when you hear metal music means nothing. I was raised to appreciate musical technicality and difficulty and metal music is some of the most technical music made.. it’s technicality and difficulty is precisely why many don’t like it, bc they can’t hear all the intricacies, it’s not meant for mainstream audiences, it’s meant more often for those that can understand it’s odd time signatures and complicated sweeps, solos, etc etc etc
It's great when you have Gavin Stone on!
I agree. I have forced him to start a channel. ruclips.net/channel/UC9dOeaeeprq30IyFSUE_lCA
I hope you will scrutinize Marylin Manson with the same love to detail.
I'm sure they will. At least he's doing the right thing and not splattering it over sm and msm. People decided he was guilty before he even had a chance to defend himself.
I am a victim of dv and sa and i have to say with me, I never smile or act happy why im telling what happened to me and what I went through and how it affected me, so this is weird to me!!! Its been over 10 years for me and i still act the same way when tell my story!!!
The biggest red flag is that she acts elated to be part of the abuse club. Seriously 😒??! Having left an abusive marriage to save myself and my 3 children, there is no joy in being part of that „club“. It is a hell of a journey, and even to talk about it 12 years later is really tough. I smell snake 🐍 oil. She is not my spokesperson.
I sure as hell want to listen to her story just as much I want to listen to male victims' stories of DV. I am not "elated to be a part of the abuse club", but I am fucking happy that I'm alive and can openly talk about what happened to me without feelings of shame for myself. Maybe that's what you see, is a woman free from the past trauma enough to hold her chest and chin up high, not in contempt, but in self worth. Just enough to encourage and open public talk about DV and how quickly it can consume any domestic partnership, especially when we don't publicly teach our public the red flags and the mirroring stories that it happens to anyone, any gender, any fame/celebrity status or background.
Hypocritical that she's saying "we need to stop asking victims why they didn't leave" when that's exactly what their crew said about jd
I DON'T BELIEVE MARILYN MANSON WOULD BE FIGHTING THIS IF HE WAS GUILTY DON'T TRUST THESE WOMAN
I saw interviews of people that knew her and Manson at the time and said that what she described is not at all what they witnessed. She and the other accusers had tried to sue him but they had no evidence on top of being too late to file so the judge dismissed their case. He has evidences in his lawsuit against her. So I think she is trying to boost her political and activist career by claiming she is a victim. She is not a real victim, she is reading from a script, she wanted money and she was jealous her ex fiancé was getting married.
I hope he has evidence. Most true victims probably don't have much evidence, and it was destroyed if the abuser found out about it.
@@EmbraceTerror well Manson is the victim of a hoax ,not of domestic violence to my knowledge
@@loco4570 A humorous deception is debatably funny (I find most of them are not). A malicious deception is abusive under any name including domestic violence.
@@EmbraceTerror what ERW is doing is definitely life destroying and she needs to be put in front of a Judge and Jury. I have not heard anything about her wrongdoing during the relationship aside from her insisting one of his assistant get fired. She might have been emotionally abusive, financially abusive, verbally abusive but so far that is still speculation. What she has been doing for the last couple of years is defamatory , criminal, and life threatening.
She contradicts herself, I was 19 ... then "when your inebriated and under age". She is an adult at 19 and willing took anything he offered.
Seem to me people, women in particular, take a position of "I trusted you and that's your fault." Which is just, "I made a mistake but it must be someone else's fault, not mine." Here Wood even claims she was a child. I say, yes, but between the ears, not the years. "I have regrets and I want forever for revenge."
While no doubt Manson is not an angel and will not be a "pillar of the community" I have serious reservations on Woods virtue. In Wikipedia, take it for what it's worth, " As of December 2021, Wood and Bell are in dispute over the custody of their son.[82] Bell said he was deprived of contact with their son when Wood moved from Los Angeles to Nashville; Wood claimed she did this to protect the child from former fiancé Marilyn Manson.[83] Bell argued in court that Wood's "story defies credibility", and accused her of "withholding our son from me for other reasons of her own invention."[84]"
She does seems to be quite the piece of work.
It’s funny in the statement made from her baby’s father In court he explained in detail how she is grooming her own son I have a screenshot of the document and he is essentially explaining how she is grooming her own son to believe Manson was abusive to her!! I can’t wait for her to get destroyed like amber heard!!