Torque is a tricky thing. It makes you feel quick but actually not. Its good in climbing a hill its powerfull but in hard acceleratiom rpm and hp is more important
Well let's face it. The diesel floged the petrol 0 to 100 in a drag. Most roads are limited to 100km/h so you'd be better off with the diesel being able to get similar power for alot less fuel consumption
@@mitchmckeiver1429 Well im driving a Diesel and youre right the consumption is very good for the Power you get. Since i live in Germany and we can drive faster than 100 and im Most of the time on the Autobahn the extra acceleration would be nice 🤣
@@gamingti7391 but then again at the same speed a diesel will burn less fuel, and when cruising on autobahn its better to have an engine with plenty of torque to avoid being full throttle 24/7 as soon as you need to accelerate
@@mitchmckeiver1429 its cause diesel is short gearing and cause its turbo - max power in the earlist range rpm, thats all. Petrol is atmo. If both had lunch control - petrol would fly away. And ofcourse, all that insane "diesel" torque cause of turbos, not of type fuel
@@Hellafast2uDude someone actually who knows something. Much more pressure in diesel turbo makes a lot of torque,bcs u have n/a diesel and n/a petrol,petrol would have much more hp,and slightly more torque, that's without turbo,so you know which engine is more powerful!! Ofc same displacement. Only thing, diesels have better mpg
I have Audi A4 B6 1.9 TDI with 367000km on clock, and it does 230km/h. Full stock car, so as this BMW is. Only thing I do is cleaning injectors every 50k, every part in turbo is changed about 40k kms, everything is been opened and cleaned every 50k. But honestly, that is speed shown on cars clock, on navi it is 220-223 max. I went on dyno and made 134ps. Everything is original, no remap, nothing...
Two things. First is the difference in the final ratio and the gearbox. Diesel engines has more torque on the crankshaft, not on the wheels. Second is the difference in the ability of change angular speed. The expansion speed of petrol and air mix during the working phase is much faster than diesel and air mix expansion. But the diesel systems has more torque flexibility. That's why we feel diesel cars accelerating better than petrol ones. Physic and numbers show otherwise.
@@muldix but in general, which one feels more brutal? Apart from the fact that the 525i doesn t have torque at low rpm, but at high rpm which one feels faster/brutal?
@@1dayumay548 The 25i is the choice, especially when you have a naturally aspirated engine with great response and sound. It feels a lot better driving it especially in the city.
It's a monster I have a 525I e60 The noise of the 6 cylinders is that happiness wouldn't say that it's a pretty old car BMW its old will always look good
Hiya out there! As an engineer I must complain: Both vessels were in different states of fuel stock and motor temperature. Unless changed to equal conditions the test is not reliable! Whatever, we all love BMW!!!!
All comparisons between petrol and diesel are unfair, petrol car is normally aspirated, diesel car is turbocharged. Should always compare like for like.
I have the 525i but 6 speed manual and 2.5L, 215bhp. The smoothness in day to day driving is great, very quiet and relaxing. Then when you hit the open road, drop a couple of gears with the 6 speed shifter and spin that 6-cyl up to 7k it just SINGS! 😍 It may not be electrifyingly fast, but the feeling of enjoyment and wellbeing you get driving this car really is excellent, even at nearly 20 years old it still feels like impressive engineering.
This is not correct physics. More torque at for exaplme 2000RPM means also more power at 2000RPM. Torque x RPM = power . When You accelerate You feel FORCE cousing by engine POWER, not engine torque
@@wyskun i know right, but this is the theory and this should be that way. But in my experience its Like in the comment. Despite the name the 525i hast more hp and plenty enough Torque but in the upper rev range so its quicker. The 525d less hp but makes makes torque earlier kills the acceleration while reving at high speed because no torque left after 3500rpm
wyskun agreed, however high low end torque values result in a strong initial power spike that tapers off. This is what makes it feel quick at first but power drops off dramatically
@@wyskun it's all about turbo...That torque is bcs of turbo,that feel is bcs of turbo,turbo petrols runs on much lower boost,but they are seems quicker than n/a,bcs n/a engines runs smoothly,and build their speed and power gradually...
@@1ncore11 6hp26 which is the gearbox of 525d can handle up to 600nm of torque, also when you are tuning this bmw you also put the bigger turbo from 530d to make it more powerful.
If you put diesel in his favorite rpm and petrol in his favorite rpm which is like 5k, diesel because of turbo torque would be faster at the beginning but after short period of time petrol will overtake.
Guys, first think: the comparison be twin this engines is unfair, be cause diesel one is turbo and the petrol one is not. Go and compare same size but both engine turbo and you will see how the petrol one beat the diesel by far away. If you will go to compare two engines one diesel and one petrol same size (cc) you will see guys, the diesel engine it will be smoked by the petrol one.
Battle start - 1:25
Torque is a tricky thing. It makes you feel quick but actually not. Its good in climbing a hill its powerfull but in hard acceleratiom rpm and hp is more important
Well let's face it. The diesel floged the petrol 0 to 100 in a drag. Most roads are limited to 100km/h so you'd be better off with the diesel being able to get similar power for alot less fuel consumption
@@mitchmckeiver1429 Well im driving a Diesel and youre right the consumption is very good for the Power you get. Since i live in Germany and we can drive faster than 100 and im Most of the time on the Autobahn the extra acceleration would be nice 🤣
@@gamingti7391 but then again at the same speed a diesel will burn less fuel, and when cruising on autobahn its better to have an engine with plenty of torque to avoid being full throttle 24/7 as soon as you need to accelerate
@@mitchmckeiver1429 its cause diesel is short gearing and cause its turbo - max power in the earlist range rpm, thats all. Petrol is atmo. If both had lunch control - petrol would fly away. And ofcourse, all that insane "diesel" torque cause of turbos, not of type fuel
@@Hellafast2uDude someone actually who knows something. Much more pressure in diesel turbo makes a lot of torque,bcs u have n/a diesel and n/a petrol,petrol would have much more hp,and slightly more torque, that's without turbo,so you know which engine is more powerful!! Ofc same displacement. Only thing, diesels have better mpg
Diesel torque
Benzin Sound
Diesel doesn't sound that bad imho. A huge improvement over E39 diesels.
@@pedropastor3506 What? E39 525d sounds very nice..
@@tonyvideochannel6871 e39 525d sound just like e60 525d. I used to have both cars, and there is no diference in sound.
@@aaa-dk6jr because you had pre lci 525d, the LCI 525D in e60 sounds different.
@@DjordjeSrpski May be, i dont know. I used to have e39 from 2001 year, and e60 from 2005 year, and the sound is the same, no difference.
281 000 km on clock and still goes like new. WOW! What a machine!!!
Yes . It is bmw 😁
Our old BMW M5 E39 also runs perfectly!! :))) ruclips.net/video/itPRjSzxfXU/видео.html
Me whatching with my passat with 980.000 km
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I have Audi A4 B6 1.9 TDI with 367000km on clock, and it does 230km/h. Full stock car, so as this BMW is. Only thing I do is cleaning injectors every 50k, every part in turbo is changed about 40k kms, everything is been opened and cleaned every 50k. But honestly, that is speed shown on cars clock, on navi it is 220-223 max. I went on dyno and made 134ps. Everything is original, no remap, nothing...
@jim mick i
Two things. First is the difference in the final ratio and the gearbox. Diesel engines has more torque on the crankshaft, not on the wheels. Second is the difference in the ability of change angular speed. The expansion speed of petrol and air mix during the working phase is much faster than diesel and air mix expansion. But the diesel systems has more torque flexibility. That's why we feel diesel cars accelerating better than petrol ones. Physic and numbers show otherwise.
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535d vs 535i coming..
love both but petrol engine is more sporty, better sound and as we can see it is faster despite feeling "slower" due to lack of power at low rpms :D
God great conclusion
@@muldix but in general, which one feels more brutal? Apart from the fact that the 525i doesn t have torque at low rpm, but at high rpm which one feels faster/brutal?
@@1dayumay548 The 25i is the choice, especially when you have a naturally aspirated engine with great response and sound. It feels a lot better driving it especially in the city.
Diésel best fuel efficiency, same power diesel win for sure. Conclusion I prefer diesel
@@1dayumay548 manual diesel is more brutal because more nm
The low fuel light is epic :o)
its for loss heavy the people who go to dragy have maximal 15-20 liters.
I always love TURBODIESEL
It's a monster I have a 525I e60 The noise of the 6 cylinders is that happiness wouldn't say that it's a pretty old car BMW its old will always look good
Hiya out there! As an engineer I must complain: Both vessels were in different states of fuel stock and motor temperature. Unless changed to equal conditions the test is not reliable! Whatever, we all love BMW!!!!
All comparisons between petrol and diesel are unfair, petrol car is normally aspirated, diesel car is turbocharged. Should always compare like for like.
This guy should fill up in tank before he starts testing lol
Istvan Bliss why? Less fuel, less weight 😛
yes but if at 6k rpm the fuel pump looses pressure you got a lean condition by by engine!
I have the 525i but 6 speed manual and 2.5L, 215bhp. The smoothness in day to day driving is great, very quiet and relaxing.
Then when you hit the open road, drop a couple of gears with the 6 speed shifter and spin that 6-cyl up to 7k it just SINGS! 😍 It may not be electrifyingly fast, but the feeling of enjoyment and wellbeing you get driving this car really is excellent, even at nearly 20 years old it still feels like impressive engineering.
You feel diesel faster than petrol because you feel the torque not the power.
Yes :)
This is not correct physics. More torque at for exaplme 2000RPM means also more power at 2000RPM.
Torque x RPM = power .
When You accelerate You feel FORCE cousing by engine POWER, not engine torque
@@wyskun i know right, but this is the theory and this should be that way. But in my experience its Like in the comment. Despite the name the 525i hast more hp and plenty enough Torque but in the upper rev range so its quicker. The 525d less hp but makes makes torque earlier kills the acceleration while reving at high speed because no torque left after 3500rpm
wyskun agreed, however high low end torque values result in a strong initial power spike that tapers off. This is what makes it feel quick at first but power drops off dramatically
@@wyskun it's all about turbo...That torque is bcs of turbo,that feel is bcs of turbo,turbo petrols runs on much lower boost,but they are seems quicker than n/a,bcs n/a engines runs smoothly,and build their speed and power gradually...
Diesel Rules 🔥
I dont think the 525i is stock i have a 530d stage 1 with 260hp and it doesnst go so well like the 525i
Hidden Leaf just a well maintained car hasn’t lost power I suppose
if i got a 525i i would make the rev limiter 8k so it sounds so good
All well and good of the engine will take it, might do a few times but not for a long time
It is normal the tractor is always slower
0:09 if he lifted the throttle he'd go in the left rail
The gasoline one sounds SO much better
gasoline sounds like a babygirl compare with the diesel 😜
bzzzz vs TRRbRRRRRR
Put an exhaust on the m57 and it sounds pretty damn amazing
I love E46 gtr
I am a petrol fan, but there is no way the 525i is stock. It has upgraded DISA and remap.
G K hahah, it is duuude! 🔥
@@muldix yeah, sure buddy. And a 530i from the same year is slower? If it is, then you were going down a mighty steep hill....
G K both these cars went on same part of Autobahn :-) which is not downhill
100% correct. A 525i should do 0-100 in 8 seconds and 0-160 in 19,5 seconds. The one in the vid needs 7 and 15 seconds. Those are 530i values.
So much speed
So fast
525i rules
I love that
Diesel was OK until 150-170kmh,then it was petrol's game i think...
yeaaah !
If they have better wheels grip, the diesel shoots way better. Mine 525d can't find road under it from the start. Immediately goes sideways
To fast for that petrol engine but,torque allways gives you an subjective opinion about real speed and acceleration
Dat power !
It's that 2.0 or 3.0 ???
3.0 vs 3.0
Incredible !!!
Great comparison, love the video, compliments! greetings from The Netherlands.
Bmw win
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525d is heavier and less power and runs very Good. Chip 525d and will be faster.
Why Chip it? Stock vs stock not modified vs stock. Wtf. And diesel has more nm so its equal and not much heavier than the petrol
bibu- bib mod a 525 and a diesel and 525i still going win 😭😭they need to realize diesel
it's an e61*** 525d vs e60 525i
e61=break
@@Bogdan00 i know
A friend of mine his E60 change gear up at 4500 RPM any one has an idea what the problem could be?
get a manual 🤪😂
@@TheRealToxic that what I told him it's much more fun and gonna save him a lot of money in the future.
@@mustaphaessahihi1762 True that :)
its always in sport mode...
5000vs700rpm 🥴
Nice video, i have an 525i LCI, and i love it, great car.
city fuel consumption>?
@@dreamfocusstudio 9 general 7 highway 12-13 city
There must be downhill, my f30 328i with 245 hp runs 0-200 is 24 seconds. This heavy 218 hp e60 cant run in 25 seconds.
empty out almost the whole tank and try again
Your bmw is 2.0 turbo ,this e60 is 3.0 6 cyl. So more torque
Even 525i starts later! Diesel only clothes! 😉
Бензин 💪💪💪 дизель 👎👎👎
Diésel all life
But 525d in stg2+downpipe is 300hp and 600nm ;) what gives 525i ?
We compare stock cars man :-)))
@@muldix of course bensin straight6 will be much better :) 218hp vs 197 ;)
it seems you are overestimating, I think the maximum is + 40%. Also 6hp21 crit 500Nm, for 600Nm you will need to swap the gearbox.
@@1ncore11 6hp26 which is the gearbox of 525d can handle up to 600nm of torque, also when you are tuning this bmw you also put the bigger turbo from 530d to make it more powerful.
@@kampgruppa that is 218 vs 218 i have the same 525i and it is 218hp 🤷🏻♂️
N54 engine?
M57 vs N53
I am still not convinced. With rolling start from 50 km/h or 80 km/h, I think the 525d will be faster.
Lol just know it’s no difference 525d still gets gapped .
Sure thats where every diesel shines and people think they are much faster :D
Seim Old DickHead that’s like wanting a diesel Supra over a e85 one
If you put diesel in his favorite rpm and petrol in his favorite rpm which is like 5k, diesel because of turbo torque would be faster at the beginning but after short period of time petrol will overtake.
@@leonardozlodi6005 Evidence for the last part of your comment?
525i❤️525d🤮
Guys, first think: the comparison be twin this engines is unfair, be cause diesel one is turbo and the petrol one is not. Go and compare same size but both engine turbo and you will see how the petrol one beat the diesel by far away.
If you will go to compare two engines one diesel and one petrol same size (cc) you will see guys, the diesel engine it will be smoked by the petrol one.