Thank you for your comment! ☺️ I wish I could say I've played every game in the BGG Top 100 but there just aren't enough hours in a day/days in a year/dollars in the bank! 😅
Haha we have very different tastes but I enjoyed your video and thought process, still. :) Obsession seems like the most egregious placement to me, personally. The game has such brilliant tactility and the main board is actually quite aesthetically appealing - a beautiful English landscape. The gameplay is also top notch with an excellent blend of deck building, tableau building, and worker placement. It's worth at least a try. And plays really well at two (might be my non-gamer wife's favourite game to play).
Haha, it seems like I do ruffle some feathers every time I bring up my dislike of Obsession, at least from a first-glance perspective! 🤣 I don't think the whole game is ugly by any means, but those *building tiles*! I just cannot get past how bad they look! 😣 (I don't like the character cards either now that I'm looking at them!) That being said, I've heard great things about the gameplay and I have a feeling my wife might actually enjoy the game so it's one I'll definitely keep in mind to try out! Perhaps I'll give it a go on BGA sometime first! Thank you for the comment! ☺️
I enjoyed the video , even though we have completely different taste :D Root and dune imperium are the best games imo and the worst on your list , and scythe i didnt like but it tops ur list .. we would agree only on GWT :D Cheers and keep making awesome videos 😊
Haha, that is too funny! 🤣 At least we can agree on Great Western Trail, though! Nothing like cow-wrangling in the Wild West to bring people together! 🤠 I appreciate you checking out the video and leaving a comment, even if our tastes are very different!
@@TheCroCroDil Haha, I'll keep that in mind! 😉 Thankfully, it's not a game I talk (or think) about very often! And I've got a whole bunch of Everdell content coming very soon! Stay tuned!
Wow - I love this video but there is a major problem for me... we have very different tastes in games :( I want to see other content creators do a tier ranking like this!
Haha, I totally understand! ☺️ Thank you for giving it a chance and leaving a comment anyway! I’m sure you could find many other creators covering the kinds of games that you’re into!
This is the first video of yours I've seen and shows quite well that you're a fan of Euro games. The farther the game is from a classic dry euro the lower it is in your list. Interesting, 3 my all time favorite games are in your Don't want to play list, along with some other bangers there. Oh well, to each his own.
Hey there, welcome to the channel! You're definitely right about me generally favoring euro-style games, although I would argue that games like Scythe and Robinson Crusoe are some notable exceptions! ☺️ It's also worth noting that I'm a big fan of many family-weight casual/party games as well but of course they're not on the BGG Top 100 list! What are your three all-time favorite games? I'll bet your tastes line up closely with one of my main gaming friends, Connor! (He wasn't a huge fan of my tier list either!) 😅
@@BoardGameDave Thanks! I consider Scythe, as well as Blood Rage, a euro game. They do have some more interaction and that's why I like them more, but they are still about using your cards to gain VPs in 3-4 ways. Not to say your favorite games are in any ways bad, I'd say Feast for Odin and Great Western Trail are both in my top 15. My favorite games are one that did not make top 100 on bgg, and three others which are Android: Netrunner, Nemesis and Twilight Struggle. Android: Netrunner is a discontinued LCG, similar in some ways to Magic: the gathering, but with an interesting setting, much deeper and asymmetric. This is the perfect duel for me, where skill decides everything. Nemesis is the most cinematic game ever, it is based on luck, but it creates such amazing stories and visuals in each game that I remember half of the 40 games I've ever played. No other game could replicate that for me. Twilight Struggle is like a chess, but very interesting for me. It is complex and long (at least the first couple matches), but then you begin to grasp the depth of the game. It is asymmetric as well and also an amazing duel where the best player wins. I have 2 of the biggest problems with euro games. First is close to 0 interaction - I play with people to play with people, raw mechanics are often more boring. Second problem is that the skill ceiling is not as high, I've easily won the games against experienced players when I've played for the first time, and I've also lost a lot of matches to newer players due to randomness. I really like when the game result represents the skill of the player, which is not always the case for euro games.
It sounds like we have fairly similar tastes, then! ☺️ And lately I have been favoring strategic games that still emphasize player interaction so maybe my tastes are starting to change a bit! 🤔 Thank you for telling me about some of your other favorite games! Of the three you mentioned, Nemesis seems the most appealing to me from your description! (Plus I really enjoyed Terracotta Army and Adam Kwapiński was a co-designer on that one!) I think it's really interesting that you said that euro games don't have a high enough skill ceiling for you and that less experienced players can often/easily beat more experienced players, especially since euro games are typically known for being less luck-dependent and for favoring more experienced players! I suppose that's not the case for all euro games, of course! A game with no luck and no hidden information like Chess would be the ideal game for that high skill ceiling, I suppose! ♟️ Speaking of Chess, I'm curious about your comparison between that game and Twilight Struggle! What makes the two similar? Thank you for such a thoughtful comment!
@@BoardGameDave Thanks for your answer! Well, euro games have lower dependency on luck than a lot of Ameritrash games, like Nemesis for example, that is true. But these games do not even pretend to have skill involved. In euro games you still have some luck, you still depend on it, you can win or lose on it. Let's take for example some of the games from your S and A tier. Feast for Odin - mountain strips are randomized, as well as the islands and, most importantly, the results of hunting, whaling, raiding, pillaging actions. Great western trail - quite some random in there - cattle market, worker \ hazard types, objectives deck, and, of course, your own hand. You depend on the deck randomly giving you all the different colors, though you can mitigate it to some extent. Wingspan - you completely depend on the good predator birds coming out of the deck so that you can buy them before anyone else can. I our gaming cell we basically trade wins in these games, someone new wins each match. I love either fun and atmospheric games like Nemesis that create an amazing story, or a real confrontation between minds where the best player wins. In some of the area control games, like Game of thrones or Ankh, and the games I've already mentioned - Android: Netrunner, Unmatched and Twilight struggle - you won't beat someone who's better than you. You might do it in 1 game out of 10, no more. For me, that is the skill ceiling, like playing basketball with someone better than you. Concerning chess and twilight struggle - I'd say that some amount of hidden info is fine. I might overexaggerate the chess comparison a bit, but it is very skill-intensive duel, with a small random influence, that can be almost completely calculated. This almost part is actually the thing that keeps it fun for me, as opposed to chess that I've stopped playing a long time ago.
Thank you for your response and I'm sorry my delay in getting back to you! (It's often hard to find new replies to old comments!) I appreciate you explaining what you meant by luck dependency and the skill ceiling in different kinds of games. There is more luck in the euro games you mentioned than I would have initially thought and you might be right that they're random enough that the winner won't necessarily be the most skilled player every time or even often... although how much that's the case would vary game to game, of course. Although I still consider myself primarily a euro gamer, the idea of an experiential game where the story and atmosphere are the main priority sounds really intriguing! ☺️
Haha, yeah, my friends at @dadsanddice pointed that out to me, too! 😅 I told them I did a test run by exporting just that part and slowing it back down in iMovie but I didn't realize RUclips wouldn't pitch-shift the audio down like iMovie does! The more you know! Here's what I said: "I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience." Thanks for the comment!
@@BoardGameDave I super get that! That's the main reason I stopped playing magic the gathering. Was super fun when we just had several starter decks and I could kind of keep track of everything. My brother got way too into it for my level of learning, purchasing and dedication. I ended up gifting him all of the cards I had. Just kinda killed the game for me. Once it's gets to memorizing thousands of cards or reading every little ability I'm out. Even worse when it's a 4 player game or more. 😑
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me as well! I never got into Magic the Gathering but I know similar CCGs like that can just turn into a pay-to-win sort of experience or players can just figure out ways to basically break the game? At least that's the impression I've gotten! 🤔 Thankfully there are SO many good games out there to spend your time (and money) on instead!
Cthulhu DMD and Inis are two I think you should try. Re: Cthulhu DMD, I had zero interest in the them and have no other Cthulhu themed games, but it’s so much fun and very fun solo and doesn’t take a lot of thinking. Re: Inis, it has a super unique way to build your hand of cards that’s fun. You draw an amount, keep some, pass some. Fun time.
Thank you so much for the comment! I'll definitely keep your recommendations in mind... I'm sure my friends would be happy to teach me Cthulhu: Death May Die and/or Inis! ☺️
As a kid I used to dread history/social studies but these days I love history! I’m actually reading two books about Ancient Rome right now! 🏛️ Sometimes games that are based on history seem really dry/boring, though… maybe I’d change my mind if I have them a try?
I'm not sure how you'll feel about On Mars. It's definitely heavy trying to understand how to make the most points and chain connections. If you want to dabble in the Lacerda waters, I definitely recommend The Gallerist. Nice theme, a bit easier. It will tell you if you might want to go down the Lacerda rabbit hole. I'm one in the Obsession camp. The only way to know is to play, and you definitely want to play with a wife/girlfriend I think. Also, the developer is just one guy and a nice one at that.
Thank you for the advice! I've often heard that Kanban EV is one of the more approachable Lacerda games, although I see that it's still weighed higher than The Gallerist on BGG! (Even The Gallerist is weighed at 4.24!) I'd be eager to try any Lacerda game, to be honest! 😅 I'll give Obsession a try after all the feedback I've gotten about it-at least on BGA if nothing else!
Oh no! 🤣 I did a test run by exporting just that part and slowing it back down in iMovie but I didn't realize RUclips wouldn't pitch-shift the audio down like iMovie does! The more you know! 🧠 Here's what I said: "I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience." Thanks for pointing that out to me! Hope you guys are both doing well! ☺️
@@BoardGameDave I agree with that! Thanks for typing it up. Hegemony kind of has this as well, although not as bad. The teach does take forever unless everyone knows their part.
@@dadsanddice No problem! And that makes me even more wary about learning/playing Hegemony! 😬 Sounds like you need to know everyone else’s part to play effectively, too?
Dave. We need a serious chat. Burgundy is one of the ugliest games out there. Obsession is ugly too and you stare at dead people portraits the entire time and i do not enjoy victorian theme but board games are all about exploring new themes and venturing into worlds you never thought you would be diving in. Underneath its dull facade, there is an incredible card/tile/worker assignment play there. I could care less about other games in that tier but this is a must. Your wife will certainly have fun with this!
Haha, am I in trouble? 🤣 I would argue that it depends on which version of Castles of Burgundy you're playing! I own the anniversary edition and the deluxe edition is gorgeous! (Like @Anniemto09 said!) 😍 I think you and Hannah might be the only two people who could convince me to play Obsession! (She's all about Pride & Prejudice, Sense & Sensibility, and those kinds of novels/movies! I just can't get past those ugly buildings! 😖 Do you know of any kind of second edition in the works?)
@@BoardGameDave there is only 1 badly photoshopped building in the game and you dont have to put it against your eyeballs the entire game. There is no 2e in the works but im gonna have to talk to the designer about this… there is a reason why this game is so beloved. It really is that good. From one gamer to another, i implore you give this game a shot with or without the british accent
Yes, please talk to the designer and have them put out a second edition with revised artwork, especially for the buildings! 😉 But you've talked me into it: I promise I'll give Obsession a try sometime! Maybe I've been totally wrong this whole time in not giving it a fair shake, who knows?
It's definitely not 5 hours, it took us 4 hours for the first playthrough considering an explanation beforehand, and one of the 4 guys isn't into heavy boardgames so he slowed down everything a bit. My guess is that once everyone knows his class decently it should take 2.5 to 3 hours top for a game with 4 players
Excellent! Thank you for letting me know-I think (as with most games) it probably depends on the people playing and especially how prone they are to analysis paralysis! And in a game like Hegemony I'd imagine there's a lot of negotiation and alliance-making so that might slow the game down a lot based on your gaming group too? 🤔 I appreciate your input, though!
Haha, I’m sorry to see you go! 😅 I played it once about five years ago so I can’t say I remember a lot about the game… I’d probably like it more if I played it now!
My friend actually texted today after watching the video and said it's been a big hit with his friends and family so hopefully I'll get a chance to play with him soon! ☺️ Thanks for the comments!
@@BoardGameDavedefinitely give decrypto another try! It’s hard to wrap ur brain at the start but it’s hands down one of the best party games! Every time we’ve brought it out, people end up buying their own copy!
I'd like to give it another try! I saw recently that it's on BGA so maybe I'll try it there and see if I understand it better now! ☺️ Thank you for the suggestion!
I really like both games, although I think I am partial to Taverns! 🍻 And D might have been a little harsh for Sleeping Gods but I just don’t feel a burning desire to play it again! Too many other amazing games to play!
Oh, you are absolutely correct!! 🤦🏻♂️ El Grande is the area control game with the big cube tower, right? I haven't played it but I've heard it's a classic... that I always get confused with La Granja! (You can see why that might happen, right?) 😅 Thank you for pointing that out!
@@BoardGameDave u shld definitely try it now that the new version makes it readily available. very streamlined classic area majority game. Great content anyway👍
I should give it a try! I have a feeling I'd like it a lot! ☺️ (I just looked and it's on Board Game Arena! Maybe I'll play it over there sometime! Do you ever play on BGA?)
@@BoardGameDave I tend not to🙈still think the tactile element in boardgames is essential. Also for this particular game, u wld love the new Castillo, the toy factor is so so fun!
I watched The Dice Tower review the new El Grande this morning and it looks really good! I'll have to see if any of my friends I game with often have it... I don't think they do! 🤔 And I see what you mean about the tactile element, especially with that big tower! Hopefully I'll get a chance to play it in person sometime, not just on BGA! ☺️
I don't quite get the Puerto Rico being a controversial game... I know it's been mentioned that the workers in the game can be seen as "slaves" but the game does not call them that and doesn't really make light of that.
That's certainly a valid opinion! For what it's worth, Jason from Shelf Stories just made an 80+ minute video about the revised edition (called Puerto Rico 1897) if you're interested in hearing about the reasons the game can be seen as problematic/controversial! ruclips.net/video/EO0U9sYHOGw/видео.htmlsi=3ME0CmQeT0CAXQky
Give me 7 wonders duel 😆 Also i did the 0.25 for Root and i didnt understand a thing hahahaha. It was amusing though Also I love your enthisiasm but we have almost exact opposite in taste in games, being Spirit Island and Nemesis some of my favorite games. 😅 we cant be friends hahhaa
I think I'll be doing a giveaway for that 7 Wonders Duel very soon! (Maybe to celebrate 7,000 subscribers!) 🥳 And someone else pointed out that the 0.25x thing didn't work! I'll paste what I said below. 😅 Also, I'm sure we could find some common ground in board games even if our tastes are very different! We can make this unlikely friendship work, I'm sure of it! "I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience."
@@BoardGameDave i was actually u surprised u want to try Hegemony 😆 1. Its probably top 5 longest game in the list And 2. assymetric as much as Root, though i guess it can kinda work, not knowing what others do? Just maybe
Yeah, my friend Connor played it and really enjoyed it a lot but he did say it was very long! (Over five hours for his group, he said!) 💀 The asymmetry is definitely intriguing to me but I wonder if I would have the same issue with it as I did with Root where you can't play well unless you really understand what everyone else is doing! Maybe I don't want to try it after all... 🤣
@@BoardGameDave yup 5 hours seems accurate for a learning game. and considering its a long game, somewhere you will get better on what strat to use, and its more of a negotiation game for me, than an actual Euro.
Wow, that is a very long playtime! You weren't kidding about it being one of the longest games in the list! 😳 And I agree about it seeming more like a negotiation game than a Euro game!
This video is an equivalent of yelling "I like turtles!" in the middle of the street. Half of it is "ick, minis and/or conflict! Not likey!" another half is "no idea let's pin it here". Zero substance. After first 10 games you could perfectly guess where everything will land going forward. Plus, in certain points absolute lack of understanding of the game - like saying Eclipse II is "another one of those extremely long games" which is exactly opposite as this is one of the shortest ones in the genre (there are easily euros as long as this).
@@BoardGameDave In half of the games you list you give ZERO reasoning other than "I think that's not a game for me". What the F is that tier list then, other than unsubstantiated drivel, if you base it on gut feeling and then you get all touchy if someone gives you a bit of critique. Don't melt so easily. So yes, no substance, because your arguments are literally nonexistent and you even say so yourself in the video so I'm not sure what are you even arguing with here. Doing tier lists is a fad and you just felt you need one. It is pointless, but you now have one. Without any argumentation based on knowledge, you, as I said, may as well be yelling "I like turtles". What's pathetic though, is your thinking that anyone not blowing smoke up your arse must have "hurt feelings". But, I'm sure it will be better to put fingers in your ears and go "lalalala"
Here's the thing: I haven't played all 100 games on the BGG Top 100 list... very few people on this planet have. As for the games I haven't played, I can't (and didn't) give them a subjective rating on the quality of the game, I simply put them in either the "Haven't played but want to" or the "Haven't played but don't want to" categories. I'm not an expert on all of these games and many of the games that didn't seem to fit within my wheelhouse of the types games I've found to be personally enjoyable (after playing around 500 different games in the last several years) went into the "don't want to play" category based on the fairly little to nothing I know about them. Again, not judging the game, just saying that it's probably not for me... and I gave plenty of concessions throughout the video implying that I could be completely wrong about how much I would enjoy some of the games in that category-certain games have definitely surprised me in the past! As for as the "zero substance" claim... I've played about half of these games in one form or another and I feel like I gave a passable summary and quick personal rating for each one I've played while explaining my thought process. The video's 28 minutes long so you'd think there must be some substance there, right? Perhaps I just don't want to play the kinds of games you like and you felt like you had to leave a negative and misguided comment? After your reply I feel more strongly that you somehow took personal offense to my own, completely subjective (and arbitrary) ratings of some games. Odd.
@@BoardGameDave The video is 28 minutes long because of 100 games and volume doesn't equal substance. I totally agree that is is unlikely to play most games to a competent level in the top 100, you're absolutely right on that - THIS IS WHY doing the tier list doesn't make sense at all, especially on something so big and requiring so much knowledge. As you said, it is clear that this is very subjective, and you have a very visible bias, which again, removes merit from what you're saying by a fair bunch. Your claim about my hurt feelings is, when you think about it for a sec, totally misfired - I comment on a whole thing, not any particular rating you gave to a game, that's your to do. My point, to summarize, is that making a tier list with your level of knowledge is either a. hubris, b. pointless, and c. self-indulgence. And if that is 3 that is absolutely fine, nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend, that it is adding any value to a person interested in those games. You can also look at this from a flip-side, and this should be something that would, if you won't decide not to just blank the whole thing, improve your future content -ask yourself FOR WHOM this video actually is. Who gains something from it, other than you saying "mom, I'm on youtube". Otherwise, your engagement will just flatten, that's a honest suggestion. For what it is worth I am grateful you've not fully dissolved into ad hominem (and I'm willing to ignore the passive-aggressive "trigger assumption" here. When you make yourself a nice cup of tea, read what I've said again, you will notice that NOWHERE in what I've said I've attacked you at all and this is not my point and honestly, that would mean I do have emotional stake, which I don't. I used half an hour of my unrecoverable time, gave my opinion as is. Not everyone who says mean things is your enemy. If anything, it started really well and I was interested in what you have to say until after few games it was obvious you're in the passive-euro camp, which again is fine, but It's like a hardcore (insert music band) fan doing a review on what is available on Spotify, if you see my point. What would make WAY more sense, is making a video on the games you really like, and making a comparison between them based on the BGG position, giving reasoning why you agree or don;t agree with one game being higher or lower than the other. Take care, and good luck in the future.
Love seeing someone else who hasn't played half of these. And I was surprised by a few. Great video!
Thank you for your comment! ☺️ I wish I could say I've played every game in the BGG Top 100 but there just aren't enough hours in a day/days in a year/dollars in the bank! 😅
@ wholeheartedly agree!!! 😀
Haha we have very different tastes but I enjoyed your video and thought process, still. :) Obsession seems like the most egregious placement to me, personally. The game has such brilliant tactility and the main board is actually quite aesthetically appealing - a beautiful English landscape. The gameplay is also top notch with an excellent blend of deck building, tableau building, and worker placement. It's worth at least a try. And plays really well at two (might be my non-gamer wife's favourite game to play).
Haha, it seems like I do ruffle some feathers every time I bring up my dislike of Obsession, at least from a first-glance perspective! 🤣 I don't think the whole game is ugly by any means, but those *building tiles*! I just cannot get past how bad they look! 😣 (I don't like the character cards either now that I'm looking at them!) That being said, I've heard great things about the gameplay and I have a feeling my wife might actually enjoy the game so it's one I'll definitely keep in mind to try out! Perhaps I'll give it a go on BGA sometime first! Thank you for the comment! ☺️
I enjoyed the video , even though we have completely different taste :D
Root and dune imperium are the best games imo and the worst on your list , and scythe i didnt like but it tops ur list .. we would agree only on GWT :D
Cheers and keep making awesome videos 😊
Haha, that is too funny! 🤣 At least we can agree on Great Western Trail, though! Nothing like cow-wrangling in the Wild West to bring people together! 🤠 I appreciate you checking out the video and leaving a comment, even if our tastes are very different!
@@BoardGameDave but hey, let me give you a warning . Next time you rate root so low, i wont be polite ;)
Waiting for new vid mate :)
@@TheCroCroDil Haha, I'll keep that in mind! 😉 Thankfully, it's not a game I talk (or think) about very often! And I've got a whole bunch of Everdell content coming very soon! Stay tuned!
I could listen you talking for hours! Your voice and sweetness are everything ❤️
Oh, goodness... that is far too sweet! Thank you! 😌
Wow - I love this video but there is a major problem for me... we have very different tastes in games :( I want to see other content creators do a tier ranking like this!
Haha, I totally understand! ☺️ Thank you for giving it a chance and leaving a comment anyway! I’m sure you could find many other creators covering the kinds of games that you’re into!
This is the first video of yours I've seen and shows quite well that you're a fan of Euro games. The farther the game is from a classic dry euro the lower it is in your list. Interesting, 3 my all time favorite games are in your Don't want to play list, along with some other bangers there. Oh well, to each his own.
Hey there, welcome to the channel! You're definitely right about me generally favoring euro-style games, although I would argue that games like Scythe and Robinson Crusoe are some notable exceptions! ☺️ It's also worth noting that I'm a big fan of many family-weight casual/party games as well but of course they're not on the BGG Top 100 list! What are your three all-time favorite games? I'll bet your tastes line up closely with one of my main gaming friends, Connor! (He wasn't a huge fan of my tier list either!) 😅
@@BoardGameDave Thanks! I consider Scythe, as well as Blood Rage, a euro game. They do have some more interaction and that's why I like them more, but they are still about using your cards to gain VPs in 3-4 ways. Not to say your favorite games are in any ways bad, I'd say Feast for Odin and Great Western Trail are both in my top 15.
My favorite games are one that did not make top 100 on bgg, and three others which are Android: Netrunner, Nemesis and Twilight Struggle. Android: Netrunner is a discontinued LCG, similar in some ways to Magic: the gathering, but with an interesting setting, much deeper and asymmetric. This is the perfect duel for me, where skill decides everything. Nemesis is the most cinematic game ever, it is based on luck, but it creates such amazing stories and visuals in each game that I remember half of the 40 games I've ever played. No other game could replicate that for me. Twilight Struggle is like a chess, but very interesting for me. It is complex and long (at least the first couple matches), but then you begin to grasp the depth of the game. It is asymmetric as well and also an amazing duel where the best player wins.
I have 2 of the biggest problems with euro games. First is close to 0 interaction - I play with people to play with people, raw mechanics are often more boring. Second problem is that the skill ceiling is not as high, I've easily won the games against experienced players when I've played for the first time, and I've also lost a lot of matches to newer players due to randomness. I really like when the game result represents the skill of the player, which is not always the case for euro games.
It sounds like we have fairly similar tastes, then! ☺️ And lately I have been favoring strategic games that still emphasize player interaction so maybe my tastes are starting to change a bit! 🤔 Thank you for telling me about some of your other favorite games! Of the three you mentioned, Nemesis seems the most appealing to me from your description! (Plus I really enjoyed Terracotta Army and Adam Kwapiński was a co-designer on that one!) I think it's really interesting that you said that euro games don't have a high enough skill ceiling for you and that less experienced players can often/easily beat more experienced players, especially since euro games are typically known for being less luck-dependent and for favoring more experienced players! I suppose that's not the case for all euro games, of course! A game with no luck and no hidden information like Chess would be the ideal game for that high skill ceiling, I suppose! ♟️ Speaking of Chess, I'm curious about your comparison between that game and Twilight Struggle! What makes the two similar? Thank you for such a thoughtful comment!
@@BoardGameDave Thanks for your answer! Well, euro games have lower dependency on luck than a lot of Ameritrash games, like Nemesis for example, that is true. But these games do not even pretend to have skill involved. In euro games you still have some luck, you still depend on it, you can win or lose on it. Let's take for example some of the games from your S and A tier. Feast for Odin - mountain strips are randomized, as well as the islands and, most importantly, the results of hunting, whaling, raiding, pillaging actions. Great western trail - quite some random in there - cattle market, worker \ hazard types, objectives deck, and, of course, your own hand. You depend on the deck randomly giving you all the different colors, though you can mitigate it to some extent. Wingspan - you completely depend on the good predator birds coming out of the deck so that you can buy them before anyone else can. I our gaming cell we basically trade wins in these games, someone new wins each match. I love either fun and atmospheric games like Nemesis that create an amazing story, or a real confrontation between minds where the best player wins. In some of the area control games, like Game of thrones or Ankh, and the games I've already mentioned - Android: Netrunner, Unmatched and Twilight struggle - you won't beat someone who's better than you. You might do it in 1 game out of 10, no more. For me, that is the skill ceiling, like playing basketball with someone better than you.
Concerning chess and twilight struggle - I'd say that some amount of hidden info is fine. I might overexaggerate the chess comparison a bit, but it is very skill-intensive duel, with a small random influence, that can be almost completely calculated. This almost part is actually the thing that keeps it fun for me, as opposed to chess that I've stopped playing a long time ago.
Thank you for your response and I'm sorry my delay in getting back to you! (It's often hard to find new replies to old comments!) I appreciate you explaining what you meant by luck dependency and the skill ceiling in different kinds of games. There is more luck in the euro games you mentioned than I would have initially thought and you might be right that they're random enough that the winner won't necessarily be the most skilled player every time or even often... although how much that's the case would vary game to game, of course. Although I still consider myself primarily a euro gamer, the idea of an experiential game where the story and atmosphere are the main priority sounds really intriguing! ☺️
Actually tried slowing down the ramble on a symmetry fixed the speed but not the chipmunk 😂
Haha, yeah, my friends at @dadsanddice pointed that out to me, too! 😅 I told them I did a test run by exporting just that part and slowing it back down in iMovie but I didn't realize RUclips wouldn't pitch-shift the audio down like iMovie does! The more you know! Here's what I said: "I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience." Thanks for the comment!
@@BoardGameDave I super get that! That's the main reason I stopped playing magic the gathering. Was super fun when we just had several starter decks and I could kind of keep track of everything. My brother got way too into it for my level of learning, purchasing and dedication. I ended up gifting him all of the cards I had. Just kinda killed the game for me. Once it's gets to memorizing thousands of cards or reading every little ability I'm out. Even worse when it's a 4 player game or more. 😑
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me as well! I never got into Magic the Gathering but I know similar CCGs like that can just turn into a pay-to-win sort of experience or players can just figure out ways to basically break the game? At least that's the impression I've gotten! 🤔 Thankfully there are SO many good games out there to spend your time (and money) on instead!
Cthulhu DMD and Inis are two I think you should try.
Re: Cthulhu DMD, I had zero interest in the them and have no other Cthulhu themed games, but it’s so much fun and very fun solo and doesn’t take a lot of thinking.
Re: Inis, it has a super unique way to build your hand of cards that’s fun. You draw an amount, keep some, pass some. Fun time.
Thank you so much for the comment! I'll definitely keep your recommendations in mind... I'm sure my friends would be happy to teach me Cthulhu: Death May Die and/or Inis! ☺️
You don’t like historical themed games? Do you like history?
As a kid I used to dread history/social studies but these days I love history! I’m actually reading two books about Ancient Rome right now! 🏛️ Sometimes games that are based on history seem really dry/boring, though… maybe I’d change my mind if I have them a try?
I'm not sure how you'll feel about On Mars. It's definitely heavy trying to understand how to make the most points and chain connections. If you want to dabble in the Lacerda waters, I definitely recommend The Gallerist. Nice theme, a bit easier. It will tell you if you might want to go down the Lacerda rabbit hole.
I'm one in the Obsession camp. The only way to know is to play, and you definitely want to play with a wife/girlfriend I think. Also, the developer is just one guy and a nice one at that.
Thank you for the advice! I've often heard that Kanban EV is one of the more approachable Lacerda games, although I see that it's still weighed higher than The Gallerist on BGG! (Even The Gallerist is weighed at 4.24!) I'd be eager to try any Lacerda game, to be honest! 😅 I'll give Obsession a try after all the feedback I've gotten about it-at least on BGA if nothing else!
I wanted to hear your asynch ramble! .25 speed didn't work 😅
Oh no! 🤣 I did a test run by exporting just that part and slowing it back down in iMovie but I didn't realize RUclips wouldn't pitch-shift the audio down like iMovie does! The more you know! 🧠 Here's what I said: "I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience." Thanks for pointing that out to me! Hope you guys are both doing well! ☺️
@@BoardGameDave I agree with that! Thanks for typing it up. Hegemony kind of has this as well, although not as bad. The teach does take forever unless everyone knows their part.
@@dadsanddice No problem! And that makes me even more wary about learning/playing Hegemony! 😬 Sounds like you need to know everyone else’s part to play effectively, too?
same hahaha
Dave. We need a serious chat. Burgundy is one of the ugliest games out there. Obsession is ugly too and you stare at dead people portraits the entire time and i do not enjoy victorian theme but board games are all about exploring new themes and venturing into worlds you never thought you would be diving in. Underneath its dull facade, there is an incredible card/tile/worker assignment play there. I could care less about other games in that tier but this is a must. Your wife will certainly have fun with this!
the special edition version is pretty!
My thoughts exactly!! 👆🏻
Haha, am I in trouble? 🤣 I would argue that it depends on which version of Castles of Burgundy you're playing! I own the anniversary edition and the deluxe edition is gorgeous! (Like @Anniemto09 said!) 😍 I think you and Hannah might be the only two people who could convince me to play Obsession! (She's all about Pride & Prejudice, Sense & Sensibility, and those kinds of novels/movies! I just can't get past those ugly buildings! 😖 Do you know of any kind of second edition in the works?)
@@BoardGameDave there is only 1 badly photoshopped building in the game and you dont have to put it against your eyeballs the entire game. There is no 2e in the works but im gonna have to talk to the designer about this… there is a reason why this game is so beloved. It really is that good. From one gamer to another, i implore you give this game a shot with or without the british accent
Yes, please talk to the designer and have them put out a second edition with revised artwork, especially for the buildings! 😉 But you've talked me into it: I promise I'll give Obsession a try sometime! Maybe I've been totally wrong this whole time in not giving it a fair shake, who knows?
Love it!
Thank you, Taylor!! 👋🏼
Sir you deserve more subscribers! #mormon #familyhomeevening
Thanks so much! I hope you enjoyed the video! 😊
Hegemony is great but you won't like that'll take at least 5 hours and a pretty hefty teach as well.
I am intrigued by the game for sure but five hours is a doozy!! 🤯 BGG says 90-180 minutes… I wonder why? (You played at 4P, right?)
@@BoardGameDave I did
Makes sense! (That’s probably the best player count for a game like this?) Five hours is still beastly, though! 😳
It's definitely not 5 hours, it took us 4 hours for the first playthrough considering an explanation beforehand, and one of the 4 guys isn't into heavy boardgames so he slowed down everything a bit. My guess is that once everyone knows his class decently it should take 2.5 to 3 hours top for a game with 4 players
Excellent! Thank you for letting me know-I think (as with most games) it probably depends on the people playing and especially how prone they are to analysis paralysis! And in a game like Hegemony I'd imagine there's a lot of negotiation and alliance-making so that might slow the game down a lot based on your gaming group too? 🤔 I appreciate your input, though!
Decrypto c tier? Unsubscribed.
Haha, I’m sorry to see you go! 😅 I played it once about five years ago so I can’t say I remember a lot about the game… I’d probably like it more if I played it now!
@@BoardGameDaveI'm joking of course, but that just means I'll be here to harass you about playing decrypto again until you do 😅
My friend actually texted today after watching the video and said it's been a big hit with his friends and family so hopefully I'll get a chance to play with him soon! ☺️ Thanks for the comments!
@@BoardGameDavedefinitely give decrypto another try! It’s hard to wrap ur brain at the start but it’s hands down one of the best party games! Every time we’ve brought it out, people end up buying their own copy!
I'd like to give it another try! I saw recently that it's on BGA so maybe I'll try it there and see if I understand it better now! ☺️ Thank you for the suggestion!
Quacks > Taverns and how dare you put Mr. Laukat a D
I really like both games, although I think I am partial to Taverns! 🍻 And D might have been a little harsh for Sleeping Gods but I just don’t feel a burning desire to play it again! Too many other amazing games to play!
Theres no dice at all in el grande and I don't think there's a "deluxe" version. I'm guessing u mixed it up with LA Granja
Oh, you are absolutely correct!! 🤦🏻♂️ El Grande is the area control game with the big cube tower, right? I haven't played it but I've heard it's a classic... that I always get confused with La Granja! (You can see why that might happen, right?) 😅 Thank you for pointing that out!
@@BoardGameDave u shld definitely try it now that the new version makes it readily available. very streamlined classic area majority game. Great content anyway👍
I should give it a try! I have a feeling I'd like it a lot! ☺️ (I just looked and it's on Board Game Arena! Maybe I'll play it over there sometime! Do you ever play on BGA?)
@@BoardGameDave I tend not to🙈still think the tactile element in boardgames is essential. Also for this particular game, u wld love the new Castillo, the toy factor is so so fun!
I watched The Dice Tower review the new El Grande this morning and it looks really good! I'll have to see if any of my friends I game with often have it... I don't think they do! 🤔 And I see what you mean about the tactile element, especially with that big tower! Hopefully I'll get a chance to play it in person sometime, not just on BGA! ☺️
I don't quite get the Puerto Rico being a controversial game... I know it's been mentioned that the workers in the game can be seen as "slaves" but the game does not call them that and doesn't really make light of that.
That's certainly a valid opinion! For what it's worth, Jason from Shelf Stories just made an 80+ minute video about the revised edition (called Puerto Rico 1897) if you're interested in hearing about the reasons the game can be seen as problematic/controversial! ruclips.net/video/EO0U9sYHOGw/видео.htmlsi=3ME0CmQeT0CAXQky
@@BoardGameDave thank you for sharing that! It's a very insightful watch;
Of course! I appreciate you checking it out! Always good to hear other perspectives! ☺️
Give me 7 wonders duel 😆
Also i did the 0.25 for Root and i didnt understand a thing hahahaha. It was amusing though
Also I love your enthisiasm but we have almost exact opposite in taste in games, being Spirit Island and Nemesis some of my favorite games. 😅 we cant be friends hahhaa
I think I'll be doing a giveaway for that 7 Wonders Duel very soon! (Maybe to celebrate 7,000 subscribers!) 🥳 And someone else pointed out that the 0.25x thing didn't work! I'll paste what I said below. 😅 Also, I'm sure we could find some common ground in board games even if our tastes are very different! We can make this unlikely friendship work, I'm sure of it!
"I don't mind asymmetry if you can just do your thing and not worry about everybody else, but Root is the kind of game where you need to understand every different player's abilities and play-style and wining conditions, and I love how ambitious the game is because everybody is truly trying to do a completely different thing and play a completely separate game than everybody else, which is fascinating and very compelling and intriguing, but makes for an extremely long and tedious teach in my personal experience."
@@BoardGameDave i was actually u surprised u want to try Hegemony 😆
1. Its probably top 5 longest game in the list
And 2. assymetric as much as Root, though i guess it can kinda work, not knowing what others do? Just maybe
Yeah, my friend Connor played it and really enjoyed it a lot but he did say it was very long! (Over five hours for his group, he said!) 💀 The asymmetry is definitely intriguing to me but I wonder if I would have the same issue with it as I did with Root where you can't play well unless you really understand what everyone else is doing! Maybe I don't want to try it after all... 🤣
@@BoardGameDave yup 5 hours seems accurate for a learning game.
and considering its a long game, somewhere you will get better on what strat to use, and its more of a negotiation game for me, than an actual Euro.
Wow, that is a very long playtime! You weren't kidding about it being one of the longest games in the list! 😳 And I agree about it seeming more like a negotiation game than a Euro game!
This video is an equivalent of yelling "I like turtles!" in the middle of the street. Half of it is "ick, minis and/or conflict! Not likey!" another half is "no idea let's pin it here". Zero substance. After first 10 games you could perfectly guess where everything will land going forward.
Plus, in certain points absolute lack of understanding of the game - like saying Eclipse II is "another one of those extremely long games" which is exactly opposite as this is one of the shortest ones in the genre (there are easily euros as long as this).
Zero substance? Really? 🤔 I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings somehow!
@@BoardGameDave In half of the games you list you give ZERO reasoning other than "I think that's not a game for me". What the F is that tier list then, other than unsubstantiated drivel, if you base it on gut feeling and then you get all touchy if someone gives you a bit of critique.
Don't melt so easily.
So yes, no substance, because your arguments are literally nonexistent and you even say so yourself in the video so I'm not sure what are you even arguing with here.
Doing tier lists is a fad and you just felt you need one. It is pointless, but you now have one. Without any argumentation based on knowledge, you, as I said, may as well be yelling "I like turtles".
What's pathetic though, is your thinking that anyone not blowing smoke up your arse must have "hurt feelings". But, I'm sure it will be better to put fingers in your ears and go "lalalala"
Here's the thing: I haven't played all 100 games on the BGG Top 100 list... very few people on this planet have. As for the games I haven't played, I can't (and didn't) give them a subjective rating on the quality of the game, I simply put them in either the "Haven't played but want to" or the "Haven't played but don't want to" categories. I'm not an expert on all of these games and many of the games that didn't seem to fit within my wheelhouse of the types games I've found to be personally enjoyable (after playing around 500 different games in the last several years) went into the "don't want to play" category based on the fairly little to nothing I know about them. Again, not judging the game, just saying that it's probably not for me... and I gave plenty of concessions throughout the video implying that I could be completely wrong about how much I would enjoy some of the games in that category-certain games have definitely surprised me in the past!
As for as the "zero substance" claim... I've played about half of these games in one form or another and I feel like I gave a passable summary and quick personal rating for each one I've played while explaining my thought process. The video's 28 minutes long so you'd think there must be some substance there, right? Perhaps I just don't want to play the kinds of games you like and you felt like you had to leave a negative and misguided comment? After your reply I feel more strongly that you somehow took personal offense to my own, completely subjective (and arbitrary) ratings of some games. Odd.
@@BoardGameDave The video is 28 minutes long because of 100 games and volume doesn't equal substance. I totally agree that is is unlikely to play most games to a competent level in the top 100, you're absolutely right on that - THIS IS WHY doing the tier list doesn't make sense at all, especially on something so big and requiring so much knowledge. As you said, it is clear that this is very subjective, and you have a very visible bias, which again, removes merit from what you're saying by a fair bunch.
Your claim about my hurt feelings is, when you think about it for a sec, totally misfired - I comment on a whole thing, not any particular rating you gave to a game, that's your to do.
My point, to summarize, is that making a tier list with your level of knowledge is either a. hubris, b. pointless, and c. self-indulgence. And if that is 3 that is absolutely fine, nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend, that it is adding any value to a person interested in those games.
You can also look at this from a flip-side, and this should be something that would, if you won't decide not to just blank the whole thing, improve your future content -ask yourself FOR WHOM this video actually is. Who gains something from it, other than you saying "mom, I'm on youtube". Otherwise, your engagement will just flatten, that's a honest suggestion.
For what it is worth I am grateful you've not fully dissolved into ad hominem (and I'm willing to ignore the passive-aggressive "trigger assumption" here. When you make yourself a nice cup of tea, read what I've said again, you will notice that NOWHERE in what I've said I've attacked you at all and this is not my point and honestly, that would mean I do have emotional stake, which I don't. I used half an hour of my unrecoverable time, gave my opinion as is. Not everyone who says mean things is your enemy.
If anything, it started really well and I was interested in what you have to say until after few games it was obvious you're in the passive-euro camp, which again is fine, but It's like a hardcore (insert music band) fan doing a review on what is available on Spotify, if you see my point.
What would make WAY more sense, is making a video on the games you really like, and making a comparison between them based on the BGG position, giving reasoning why you agree or don;t agree with one game being higher or lower than the other.
Take care, and good luck in the future.
Blasphemer! Insert game of thrones shame meme here!
Haha, oh no!! 🤣 Because of which game(s)? Because I gave Anachrony a C? Or said I didn't want to play some of those dungeon-crawler-type games? 😅
@@BoardGameDave YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID! lol
I was having more fun when we were ganging up on Connor for his list! 🤣