Combustible Dust: Solutions Delayed
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- CSB safety video about a fatal combustible dust explosion at the AL Solutions metal recycling facility in New Cumberland, West Virginia. The December 9, 2010 accident at the facility that milled and processed scrap titanium and zirconium metal killed three employees and injured a contractor.
i worked at a wood sawing plant, they were 3feet of wood dust behind each machine. nobody cleanining anything. one time a guy welding caught many wood piles on fire at 4AM when we were only 3 person in the whole plant. i had to extinguish the fire myself. then i stopped everything and cleaned everywhere with a 6inch diameter suction hose. they fired me later because i told the boss they were endangering the whole plant by penny-pinching and keeping 1foot long scraps and putting them in big piles everywhere. 3years later the whole place burned down. i never laughed so much.
You actually would've had a legitimate Wrongful Termination lawsuit against that company.
Except now, there's no one left to sue!
@@BIGBLOCK5022006 i deposited a complain, i never heard anything about then. then i tried to get unemployment checks, they made me wait 1year without any money before telling me i needed to work 4more hours to be eligible, and that my hours count was only good for a 12months period so it was too late.
i am in Quebec, Canada. its hell in here.
Well, laughs best who laughs last
I worked at a sawmill too and we never let dust build up, we were scared to death of it.
Another excellent visual production and script. The overall quality of the USCSB safety videos and safety messages has really increased over the last 2 years.
Considering how visual our society has become, I really feel these videos are important for communicating the danger of inaction when it comes to process safety and I frequently reference this channel, both personally and professionally.
Thank you all for putting these together.
You could say that OSHA let the CSB's report gather dust. Let's hope for their sake it doesn't explode.
The problem is, there are more people they can hire on board, to die. This issue probably won't change until more women get into the workforce. Because please think of the wamens!
@@tenshi7angel yes
Good joke, John.
well said!
it was C O M D U S T A B L E
I am not an industrial employee, but I love all your videos. There really does need to be a legal standard for combustible dust control. Companies are clearly not complying on their own and the people who make the decision not to enforce the standards in the factory (i.e., people in management or at corporate) are not the ones who will be killed or hurt if an explosion happens; rather, people who are just trying to make ends meet and are powerless in many cases to mitigate the risks even if they recognize them, are the ones who will be hurt.
Pay attention: the closest the CSB can get to being a regulatory agency is declaring a response to their recommendations to be unacceptable.
To those people making these videos, you're doing a fantastic job.
Amen
Q: How do you put out a titanium fire?
A: By waiting for all the titanium present to be burnt up.
I do a lot of prototyping and fabrication in my shop at home. A lot of materials I work with is steel and aluminum. My bench grinders see a lot of use but I rarely did much for dust collection besides sweeping off the bench and floor. The grinder protective case had iron powder caked on the inside and I was working with an aluminum alloy of unknown composition. Turns out it had magnesium and once some magnesium sparks caught the iron powder that grinder went up and literally melted. I did manage to unplug it and holding it from the cord put it outside but nothing would put it out. I was talking to a friend about what happened and he showed me the csb video iron in the fire. I knew metal powders are flammable but I figured it wasn't enough to be serious. Well now I have coolant pumps circulating water and filtering dust from grinding. As well as a vacuum for catching potential sparks.
Metal, wood, flour, and sugar become a problem when they have been been processed. Some of the biggest disasters were at flour mills that exploded due to flour dust igniting.
I'm not sure why I like your narrator so much, but he's awesome.
Like a white Morgan Freeman. Soothing yet robust.
I know! Just something about his voice.
ObliqueStrategy agreed. I don’t think anyone else could do the job better
Sheldon smith is his name
He reminds me of David Attenborough from Planet Earth
If you find out the company you're thinking of working for has major fires and explosions every 5-10 years ... run far & run fast!
So many of these videos make me furious in that all these agencies, like the CSB, NTSB and the National Fire Protection Association (mentioned at 3:46) can only *make recommendations* and cannot *mandate* that a company or industry act on those recommendations. Massively frustrating.
you can thank republicans and lobbyist for that
I think part of the idea here is that, as they're an independent agency that doesn't regulate anything, they're immune to a lot of the political pressures that bodies like the EPA and OSHA (who do actually enact and enforce regulation) are subject to, and therefore are able to speak more freely in their investigations, and because they're not looking to penalize someone - they're only looking for root cause and how to prevent it from happening again - investigation subjects are more likely to open up about what they saw, rather than try to cover things up.
Yea... As far as I know here in Germany factories can be shut down by a controlle board if they don't follow certain rules as well as private vehicles (checked every second year) can be declared unsafe when critical components are to broken and need to be replaced or fixed (brakes, lights, suspension, seat belts)
Public buildings are checked for fire safety and landlords need to install smoke detectors in every room of the apartments or houses they rent out (there are obviously exceptions like no alarm required in a small kitchen) and people who own the house/apartment they are living in have to install them themselves. In case of a fire in a building that lacks detectors the insurance won't pay.
I am pretty sure that those control boards also check on hazardous materials, how they are stored and whether the factory they are in has safety precautions in place. I'm also pretty sure that officials do keep track of companies that use hazardous chemicals and provide lists for the local firefighters so they have an oversight which factory might pose a specific threat.
Yep, like Lifelock's commercials say: "Why monitor a problem if you don't fix it?"
NFPA has standards that are a part of most state and/or local laws.
While most of our government is waiting their time over political battles, CSB is actually tacking major safety problems. Can the rest of the government learn from these people?
Investigative bodies like the US CSB or the NTSB can issue recommendations without having to deal with politics is precisely _because_ they don't have to worry about what recommendations can be implemented by regulators in an environment of corruption and rubberstamping.
They simply investigate what caused the incident and what could've prevented it and leave it to the regulators (OSHA, FAA) to figure it out.
This reminds me of a wood fiber plant in my area. My friend was an EMT with the fire department and said they'd be called to that factory usually about once every couple of weeks. Finally, something caught and blew the roof off one of the buildings and killed a worker. Other than just putting a tarp over the roof, I don't know if they actually did anything to improve their processes.
Damn, CBS calling out OSHA by name.
Any progress from OSHA on establishing required safety standards ? It is now August 2015. Hope no more lives will be lost before OSHA pass the standards.
Zirconium! That's really flammable! The metal chips are known to combust when machining Zirconium. If you heat it to a certain temperature it burns away quickly.
This legitimately gives me hope for the US government when these guys do this well
The recent combustible dust explosion being investigated by the CSB now is one that occurred several years ago at a milling company in central WI
(5 dead, 14 injured)
So I’ve gone from watching like unsolved case files to these cool little vids
-Sorry for the crossing- not mine!!
-After registering my greatest admiration of all these very useful videos, I like to suggest to to the OSB to give attention to the Insurance companies. They have to foot the bill at the end, and they could be a strong control factor against wrong practices it they are made aware of them. They could even be faster to respond than the legislature machine.
Raising everyone's premiums is more profitable than actively reducing risk. It's why so many are ready to move on from private health insurance to M4A.
They simply don't cover extremely negligent fires, etc. But a lot of times, higher ups actually DIE in these events. It's not deliberate malfeasance usually with the dust but just astonishing stupidity and belief in personal invulnerability.
Terrifying phrases: burning metal dust cloud
Why does it low key feel like this channel exists to low key call out OSHA. Like the most time-intensive parts are the demonstrations/ experiments and simulations. And given the nature of CSB those are materials are likely made as a part of their investigations.
Not calling this lazy- far from it
They have to share their findings and recommendations with public
It’s smart to share that information in a form that will be the most easily digestible by a wide section of the population. Lack of awareness can be a killer
Three words: clean, clean, clean!
gd CSB coming for OSHAs throat in this one
Thanks for all this videos.
I remember that day. We were about the last department toned for manpower.
Too busy making money to care about the little people. Sounds like OSHA may have made it on someone's payroll.
No OSHA has two problems: insufficient manpower and budget and politics. The former is due to the GOP going anti-regulatory and willing to kill people for the profit god. The latter is a sad reality in regulatory work, as politics come into play, especially in this employment-dominated political environment.
OSHA seems incapable of caring about process and chemical dangers. They regulate stairway markings with vigor but just don't see things that go boom as a danger.
i guess you could say it was
C O M D U S T A B L E
-After registering my greatest admiration of all these very useful videos, I like to suggest to to the OSB to give attention to the Insurance companies. They have to foot the bill at the end, and they could be a strong control factor against wrong practices- it they are made aware of them. They could even be faster to respond than the legislature machine.
There are few things scarier than a metal fire...
The level of ignoring dust explosions is criminal. Until the government starts charging business management criminally for ignoring safety laws these dust explosions will keep on happening.
Didn't this CSB chairman guy steal the Reliant once?
Hot explosive burning metal dust cloud
Yeah sod that, I'm outta there
So does the CSB still exist? Trump was demanding that it be shut down.
htomerif fake news
@@brad8892 not fake. In the original budget it was completely removed. However, their service to the industry is so large that the industry itself recognize the importance. So it was reintroduced with little fanfare. USCSB did release a number of videos in the period they were in limbo aimed at raising general awareness, and more depressingly, interim videos because of the impending defunding. Irresponsible behavior from the white house.
@@brad8892 Not everyone is a gullible as a Trumper like you to believe that things we don't like to hear are "fake news."
Trump wasn't DEMANDING it. He just believed it duplicated what OSHA does. But OSHA are process morons and entirely incapable of handling any kind of chemical matter. If OSHA were even vaguely competent rather than obsessed with fall danger and working in enclosed spaces practically to the exclusion of everything else, then it actually would be duplicating the work.
@@toomanymarys7355 I worked as the OSHA compliance manager for a large repair shop for a while. You have literally no idea what you are talking about.
Seems like an inert gas "blanket"in the blender would have prevented this
A physical lid to contain the powder?
yeah but that would cost the jews money, they don't wanna pay a guy to have the machines in tiptop condition so they ain't going to buy inert gas to stop fires lol
Burning metal dust cloud, crazy group of words hah.
OSHA diss track
Hey I'm depressed as be heck, but an easy way to kill combustible dust. A fountain or sprinkler with a lot of water/air contact. Water captures dust..
Time to eliminate OSHA and start over.
No, the problem is politics. OSHA has to make POLITICAL considerations for everything it does. Every regulatory division has to these days. If anything, OSHA needs a LOT more funding alongside every other investigatory and regulatory agency in the US.
How did the narrator say tragic accident, nearly immediately followed by the spokesperson saying that it was caused by preventable combustible dust? Accidents can't be predicted (say an earthquake); this was an incident. Stop saying ACCIDENT!!!!!
know-one understands grammar anymore!
The only way to be 100% safe from workplace accidents, is to not work. Let us petition the government to outlaw work and just pay us to sit at home on the couch and watch safety videos!
Watch a few videos. They're not suggesting crazy shit.
Everything CSB is saying is stuff you should already know
Office work is safer than manual labour
@@DaleDix not really, if anything it is almost as bad if not worse.
Cleanliness is 🔑 when dealing with 🔥 🧹