"was he the only one? imagine if the game ended" literally happened to me. i was jester, one solo coven, he gave himself up to get hung since he didnt want to play solo and the game ended.
I had a game where I got jester as number 2. Night 1, number 1 finds me to be "inno," while a seer finds me to be enemies with number 1 Obviously, I get hung, then haunt 1, who was a solo Illusionist
I don’t understand why people give up, even if they are solo coven. There’s always a chance of winning. I managed to win as a solo rit at one point-There weren’t many other evils, 2 arsonists who never ignited and a pirate who pirated me n1.
Me neither. If I'm solo anything, I usually play in the most chaotic way possible, and just have fun with it. It occasionally gets a win, like the time I outed SK as a plague d2, didn't get lynched, and still won the game 🤣
Thank you for the role list at the end for the second game, it's always great to get to see the role list at the end of the games that you play. We appreciate that a lot. :)
How have I just noticed that he’s intro is the EXACT same every video “How’s it going ladies and gentlemen and welcome back to some more town of Salem 2, in this video we’ll be playing as a (role) and a (role) hope you enjoy. Alrighty, so we’ve entered the game as a (role), we are number (1-15) on the list, let’s get it (role) gaming boys” The only time it’s different would be if he only played 1 game in the video
I was the Marshal in Game 2, I asked 5 why he pushed the Witch as sus when he wasn’t sheriff in dead chat. He said it was because they didn’t claim rbd but he literally posted that 9 was sus immediately before they could ever claim rbd xd
The claiming NK vigi strat surprisingly works more than it should. I've won too many games as sk or shroud because I buddied up with a tpow and became their hitman.
How's this for a stupid pirate. I'm 1 of 2 semi-confirmed Cleric. Day 5 comes down to 2 semi-confirmed TP, 1 Pirate with 1 win, 1 Bers & 1 hidden SC. In order for the Pirate to have any chance of winning he needs to pirate either the Bers or the hidden SC since coven is out of the game otherwise he just loses, that much was obvious to everyone with how the game was going. Who does he go after? He targets the other TP preventing us from protecting each other from bers & costs the pirate the game. The Pirate was left in a 2v1v1 with War & Death & neither of them is gonna vote out death just to give the pirate a chance to win. With the way this game went in no world do you target the semi-confirmed TP, as a pirate, you pirate 1 or the 2 non semi-confirmed TP & pray you get your win.
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One of the rules of TOS role design is that no townies have passive defense. The closest is monarch but it’s still not truly passive. Besides he’s strong enough as is.
So run through this mental exercise with me- you end up in a game with a bunch of townies including a crusader, several non-Conj coven, and a shroud. With your proposed change, unless those evils can get majority or fool town into hanging the crus, they've already lost. The game is kindof unwinnable. The reason defense exists in ToS is to make sure that town is still *mostly* reliant on hanging evils, rather than being able to use TK roles to win the whole game for them, and to limit how much evils can incidentally deal with eachother on town's behalf. Defense is *not* for townies. This is also why Bodyguards and Clerics can only give themselves defense once per game. You can't make balance changes *just* based on logic or common sense. You have to actually think through how it will change the game, how players are incentivized to play as a result, and compromise between what makes sense and what plays well. Saying that the Crus need defense because he wears armor is like saying Necro and Retri shouldn't exist because magic isn't real.
@@techpriestsalok8119 technically vet also have basic defense but yeah town is alreay pretty strong give something as simple as basic defense can broke game especially if the role is not unique
@@zalfareza8463 vet does not have passive defense, he only gets defense while using his ability. I didn’t say they don’t get defense. off the top of my head monarch, cleric and veteran all get defense, they just don’t get passive defense, where it’s always on/unlimited use.
The only physical attacks are berserker and ww, which won't be stopped by a shield and armor, and the sk who might have a way to trick his victims into lowerig their guard. The other attacks are either magic or "natural" causes, which can easily bypass a shield.
I have been seeing that over and over in recent games. A random role claiming ti when they are not ti. Ive had a seer pretend to be a tp without posting any info at all. An admirer pretending to be a sheriff and getting random people lynched (and never admired), and a vigi claiming psy for absolutely no reason... Like why.
I once had a game where a Marshal claimed seer and said two ppl were enemies. One of those players was deputy shot the other, who was also town. So everyone looks suspiciously at the “seer” until they were forced to tribunal in which we hung another townie… yeah safe to say town didn’t win that one
I've seen the problem with townies fake claiming a lot recently, and unless they are tpow, it usually ends in failure, town can be quite selfish sometimes.
You wanted to know something funny. I had it last time asking for TP chain. Don't ask me how but for some reason they put me as confirmed TP. Jester have that kind of weird magic to become confirmed does not matter what. only thing that ruined my run it was to the time where reconnections was not enabled..... and i got disconnected :(
so i've been watching TOS2 videos for a couple weeks now, and understand how the game works, but i just cannot for the life of me figure out why neutrals (other than doom maybe) straight up reveal their role to town like that. isn't the goal for Shroud, SK or WW to have everyone else dead? in which case just claiming that role 100% puts a target on your head.
It doesn't work in his favor though. Giving an evil more votes harms town. They can get people guiltied or innoed. It's as simple as some townies being stupid + evils voting. Like imagine 10 people, an evil makes a desperate play to push a basically confirmed guy. But there's 2 stupid townies and a confused 1. So then you have 2 guilties, 1 abstained + 2 guilties from the knighted evil and +1 from the desperate evil. That's 5 guilties and an abstained, even if there's 5 smart townies (as in 8 town, 2 evil). And don't just ignore the stupid townies. Like the tav fake claiming sheriff. Like Pipe said, that probably only works 1/10 of the time. It's a stupid play.
What happened in that second game? How did you hang both 8 and 9 in the same day? I'm so confused Also can't you just write Au for Autopsy and Ex for Examine? instead of writing the entire word each day/night?
Spoiler Shield 🛡 got roleblocked I can applaud that rit. Till the very end they had a shot. I would have said it was coroner who was fake saying of course the rit would be searching and biding his time till there were only 4 and then get a mislynch. Still overall the pest giving up made some sense.
3 gets upped
3: I'm tracker :)
Piperton: silently removes 3 from the list
The silent wave of disapproval
Mon in game 1 was wild for knighting shroud claim instantly
"was he the only one? imagine if the game ended"
literally happened to me. i was jester, one solo coven, he gave himself up to get hung since he didnt want to play solo and the game ended.
I had a game where I got jester as number 2.
Night 1, number 1 finds me to be "inno," while a seer finds me to be enemies with number 1
Obviously, I get hung, then haunt 1, who was a solo Illusionist
I don’t understand why people give up, even if they are solo coven. There’s always a chance of winning. I managed to win as a solo rit at one point-There weren’t many other evils, 2 arsonists who never ignited and a pirate who pirated me n1.
Me neither. If I'm solo anything, I usually play in the most chaotic way possible, and just have fun with it. It occasionally gets a win, like the time I outed SK as a plague d2, didn't get lynched, and still won the game 🤣
Thank you for the role list at the end for the second game, it's always great to get to see the role list at the end of the games that you play.
We appreciate that a lot. :)
Agreed. It'd be appreciated if role lists could be given more often when people are still alive and their roles are still kinda obscure.
It's because it clears up anything that people may have said to each other, aggressively for example?
How have I just noticed that he’s intro is the EXACT same every video
“How’s it going ladies and gentlemen and welcome back to some more town of Salem 2, in this video we’ll be playing as a (role) and a (role) hope you enjoy. Alrighty, so we’ve entered the game as a (role), we are number (1-15) on the list, let’s get it (role) gaming boys”
The only time it’s different would be if he only played 1 game in the video
Town : We didn't expect you!
Mexican inquisition : No one ever does!
Isn’t that the Spanish Inquisition?
@@fishiefish6179 people expect that now
@@angelbryant1071 This is the Hispanic Inquisition
The fake seer (jester) said 8 and 3 enemies while both being dooms, what a play for jester..sadly nobody realized that
I believe all neutral evils are enemies to each other, even if they're the same kind of neutral evil
@@Rogeryoo no, 2 doomsayers should appear as friends
@@Rogeryoo as me showing friendly to other the jester in seer will, no.
I think it’s very funny that 12 in the first game was called Devil You Know
i seriously thought 5 was evil in the 2nd game because he stopped posting as sheriff but he just fake claimed it while being tav? so weird
Maybe he wanted to protect himself from doom or rit, I guess. It's still pretty weird when he didn't reveal himself to be actually tav
@@thepurpleninja7277 maybe? but fake claiming TI as a real townie and giving false info is not the way to do it
I was the Marshal in Game 2, I asked 5 why he pushed the Witch as sus when he wasn’t sheriff in dead chat. He said it was because they didn’t claim rbd but he literally posted that 9 was sus immediately before they could ever claim rbd xd
I remember a moment where a trapper was fake claiming sheriff and I almost pulled my hair out
green poisoner is real
The claiming NK vigi strat surprisingly works more than it should. I've won too many games as sk or shroud because I buddied up with a tpow and became their hitman.
that shroud was so nice, there needs to be more teams/lovers type mechanics where town can adopt evils to win with town.
I knew 4 or 13 was admirer in that second game and were in a relationship, it became especially apparent when 13 asked 1 to be on 4
Yeah, I was very sure of 4 being admirer, they even claimed ts
same altho i initially tought 13 was the adm, but them they said Pipe was confirmed, so i guess they used LO on 4 and saw him.
How's this for a stupid pirate. I'm 1 of 2 semi-confirmed Cleric. Day 5 comes down to 2 semi-confirmed TP, 1 Pirate with 1 win, 1 Bers & 1 hidden SC. In order for the Pirate to have any chance of winning he needs to pirate either the Bers or the hidden SC since coven is out of the game otherwise he just loses, that much was obvious to everyone with how the game was going. Who does he go after? He targets the other TP preventing us from protecting each other from bers & costs the pirate the game. The Pirate was left in a 2v1v1 with War & Death & neither of them is gonna vote out death just to give the pirate a chance to win. With the way this game went in no world do you target the semi-confirmed TP, as a pirate, you pirate 1 or the 2 non semi-confirmed TP & pray you get your win.
the title is true my friends were so surprised when they found the crusader i hid under their bed
same
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Crus should have basic defense, I mean look at him he’s got a shield and armor
One of the rules of TOS role design is that no townies have passive defense. The closest is monarch but it’s still not truly passive.
Besides he’s strong enough as is.
So run through this mental exercise with me- you end up in a game with a bunch of townies including a crusader, several non-Conj coven, and a shroud.
With your proposed change, unless those evils can get majority or fool town into hanging the crus, they've already lost. The game is kindof unwinnable.
The reason defense exists in ToS is to make sure that town is still *mostly* reliant on hanging evils, rather than being able to use TK roles to win the whole game for them, and to limit how much evils can incidentally deal with eachother on town's behalf. Defense is *not* for townies. This is also why Bodyguards and Clerics can only give themselves defense once per game.
You can't make balance changes *just* based on logic or common sense. You have to actually think through how it will change the game, how players are incentivized to play as a result, and compromise between what makes sense and what plays well. Saying that the Crus need defense because he wears armor is like saying Necro and Retri shouldn't exist because magic isn't real.
@@techpriestsalok8119 technically vet also have basic defense but yeah town is alreay pretty strong give something as simple as basic defense can broke game especially if the role is not unique
@@zalfareza8463 vet does not have passive defense, he only gets defense while using his ability.
I didn’t say they don’t get defense. off the top of my head monarch, cleric and veteran all get defense, they just don’t get passive defense, where it’s always on/unlimited use.
The only physical attacks are berserker and ww, which won't be stopped by a shield and armor, and the sk who might have a way to trick his victims into lowerig their guard. The other attacks are either magic or "natural" causes, which can easily bypass a shield.
Coroner gaming??? Rare sighting??
if played right, coroner can be so OP.
But it is not fun to not have anything happen for 3 days and then get killed
I should not be here at this time, but alas, there be me, watching Pipe playing tos2.
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Thanks bro
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Someone post more spoilers because this comment is cringe
I have been seeing that over and over in recent games. A random role claiming ti when they are not ti. Ive had a seer pretend to be a tp without posting any info at all. An admirer pretending to be a sheriff and getting random people lynched (and never admired), and a vigi claiming psy for absolutely no reason... Like why.
Because they lifted the paywall. Biggest mistake ever.
@@Donut-fr7isand the other modes are pretty dead; worse than in tos1
@@lyaneris There just isn't any incentive to play those. I don't think it's about player count.
I once had a game where a Marshal claimed seer and said two ppl were enemies. One of those players was deputy shot the other, who was also town. So everyone looks suspiciously at the “seer” until they were forced to tribunal in which we hung another townie… yeah safe to say town didn’t win that one
@@Donut-fr7is I meant that new players don't start in modes like classic or ranked practice anymore. In addition to no paywall for CAA
Spoiler Sword 🗡 Pipton welcomes you back to TOS2, where he will be playing as the Crusader and the Coroner! He hopes you enjoy!
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You two are genuinely adorable, posting these spoilers :3
Not a spoiler if Pipton already spoiled it in his opening.
"works 1 in 10 times." except for that tav who was 100% accurate 4 days in a row by rbing 3 coven and pest.
5 couldn't have know what 9 is n1 by Role blocking them. 9 still witched 6, the marshal n1.
Coroner's curse is the new Medium's curse
#10 in game 2 said 3 and 8 enemies, when they were both doom. That’s how I knew he was fake 😂
Seeing myself in Pipe video is weird. The monarch was weird, but the shroud confirmed them later.
neat role list at the end
Medium could return. It would be useful to get lost information from the dead.
I've seen the problem with townies fake claiming a lot recently, and unless they are tpow, it usually ends in failure, town can be quite selfish sometimes.
When was the last time pipe played as coven 😭
You wanted to know something funny.
I had it last time asking for TP chain.
Don't ask me how but for some reason they put me as confirmed TP.
Jester have that kind of weird magic to become confirmed does not matter what.
only thing that ruined my run it was to the time where reconnections was not enabled..... and i got disconnected :(
so i've been watching TOS2 videos for a couple weeks now, and understand how the game works, but i just cannot for the life of me figure out why neutrals (other than doom maybe) straight up reveal their role to town like that. isn't the goal for Shroud, SK or WW to have everyone else dead? in which case just claiming that role 100% puts a target on your head.
To the monarch’s defense, knighting an immune like the shroud would have work in his favor til the end, if they were no rit or doom
It doesn't work in his favor though.
Giving an evil more votes harms town. They can get people guiltied or innoed. It's as simple as some townies being stupid + evils voting.
Like imagine 10 people, an evil makes a desperate play to push a basically confirmed guy.
But there's 2 stupid townies and a confused 1.
So then you have 2 guilties, 1 abstained + 2 guilties from the knighted evil and +1 from the desperate evil. That's 5 guilties and an abstained, even if there's 5 smart townies (as in 8 town, 2 evil).
And don't just ignore the stupid townies. Like the tav fake claiming sheriff. Like Pipe said, that probably only works 1/10 of the time. It's a stupid play.
You know you watch way too much pipe when you get just as surprised as his is that the shroud didn’t get lynched day 2. 😂
GG Great video as always :)
Steal the Shouds tactic as jester.. be the friendly shroud as jester :P
Oop. Monarch from game 1 here. hi
coroner gaming
The strangest thing is that Tav's will is scary accurate, it's possible that he was cheating.
So the seer is fake also due to Doom-Doom... They'd get friends, not foes
Fake Sheriff is the best TI in the game
in the second game, 5 couldn’t have rb’d 9 since 9 was the witch and 6 claimed witched
Witches are immune to being rbed
Surely youve done a late post TI as a jester strat havent you?
I LOVE U PIPTON
does it bother anyone else when the crusaders helmet "eyes" blink?
Nah, first game was a fever dream.
Coro Curse, love to see it
love 10s name right on release lolol
There hasn't been a coven game in your vids in a while...
13 was Ret lol
hi pipton
Early gang but for some reason RUclips hid the 11 comments before me
BONK!
What happened in that second game? How did you hang both 8 and 9 in the same day? I'm so confused
Also can't you just write Au for Autopsy and Ex for Examine? instead of writing the entire word each day/night?
Yes finally, a 2 game video again I’m so happy
5 literally highrolled the coro game
what happens if you autopsy for rit and cl changes the role of rit
nice
pipetron
nice.
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I can applaud that rit. Till the very end they had a shot. I would have said it was coroner who was fake saying of course the rit would be searching and biding his time till there were only 4 and then get a mislynch.
Still overall the pest giving up made some sense.
I’m surprised how early I am.
Cool beans
the tav keeper in that second game used the wrong formula but still got the answer right. what a chad
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