Worth noting that version 2 of the 12-35 f/2.8 is both splash and freeze proof; with the G9 and up it also allows for linear manual focus, making it much more usable for the videography thing. Not sure how many folks need any of that, but I really enjoy the lens.
I love my 12-32. I bought it with a very specific role in mind: it lets me stick my camera in my jacket pocket so I have it on walks where I don't want to bring a bag. The addition of a third-party automatic lens cap makes it fast to get out and fast to put away.
@@ssthapit It's from JJC. I had to enlarge the opening a bit to reduce vignetting at 12mm. I'm content, but not enthusiastic about it. Olympus makes one that's probably better quality, but it's ridiculously expensive at $35ish for what it is.
Ive got thousands of pounds worth of PRO lenses all the way from F1.2 - F2.8 for when I work professional jobs. But some of the best images I have ever achieved has been with the 14-140 v2 + Panasonic G9 in Bangladesh this year ... every image, I was blown away by. Best travel set up.
I have both of them, the 12-32 combined with its 35-100 sibling makes for an extremely light travelling kit with something like the GX80 or 9. I bought them when I got into the M43 system along with the GX7 and much for the reason of size and lack of weight. Added a Oly 17 F/1.8 for indoors use, and it makes for a splendid, casual travelling kit if flying places or great outdoors stuff. Weighing in at under a kilo along with a spare battery and the battery charger. The only "stupid" thing with it, is its 37mm filter tread, they could have made it a 46mm like its sibling and the Oly. :-) The 12-35mm is a classic in the system and is what I use for "work", when out and about with photography in mind, but it tends to be on the camera for the most of the time. Fancy picking up the 35-100 F/2.8 for a light(ish) classic job set with F/2.8. Carrying the G9 plus the two F/2.8s are less than half the weight of a similiar line-up with my former Canon system, with F/2.8s , as well as half of the price or thereabouts.
I used to own the 12-32 G lens only because it was super cheap and it was kind of an experiment to know the image quality more. I used it often, but the zoom ring actually came unattached. And once that happened, it continued to do so here and there. Users should also keep in mind that there are two versions of this lens. One has plastic mount and the other is metal. This may not make a difference to some, but depending on the amount of taking on/off, that might be an issue in the long run. GREAT video. Thanks for chatting about both of these lenses.
Yep, that happened on mine and I fixed it by replacing the adhesive used on the inside of the ring. You can try industrial-strength, but still thin, double sided tape
The tiny 12-32mm G lens is a really handy walkabout lens, it barely weighs anything yet has such a useful focal range. One point to look out for when buying is some have a plastic lens mount while other copies have a metal mount. I searched through a selection in stock on MPB to find one secondhand one with a metal mount. Also the lens will focus manually, but via the 'D-pad' cursor on the back of the camera. With peaking turned on, it's actually very quick and accurate to focus this way.
Good review - good sensible observations and suggestions. I have the small 12-32mm and have been so impressed with its quality photos and the lightness and small size. I love these it when I travel abroad because of those features. ( I have a Lumix GX80 and also an Olympus OM-5 mk III )
I have and love both, but I almost never use the Lumix G. Because I really need the weather sealed Lens. When I need a small lens generally I use my Leica 15mm f1.7 or the Oly 25mm f1.8.
Love the review. I got the 12-32mm at a great price used and near new condition just for fun and compliment my 14-140mm. You are spot on what a great little lens it is. Would have been nice to pick up the 12-35mm, just not in the budget.
I spent the past week testing all the lenses i own for M43 and checking the opticallimits page. (M.Zuiko 12-40mm F2.8, 45mm f1,8, 75mm f1.8, 14-42mm EZ, Lumix GX 35-100 F2.8 and Leica DG Summilux 25mm F1,4) 1. I am really curious to try 12-32mm on my M5MkIII. My 14-42mm Ez suffers from chromatic aberration on wide to standard focal range. However 12-32 is not available for standalone purchase here. 2. Certain lenses can be used without much impact on both Olympus and Lumix bodies. Some lenses work well on both systems because they dont require in-body correction. This applies for chromatic aberration and distortion. If those are low or you can switch the lens to body of any manufacturer. Lumix G X 35-100 F2.8 is a great example of this. 3. HiRes mode can be used for sharpness tests. Tripod, remote shutter and subject like a wooden statue can reveal which lens is really sharper.
The Olympus 14-42mm II R lens is great in the middle and fairly good to the edge. I use the 12-32mm Lumix kit lens on my Olympus PL-8 all the time now -- and of course it works fine on my GX85 Lumix. As for the Olympus 14-42 R II lens, I got that with the PL-8 from Adorama in USA. For $280 US dollars, you now get a PL-8 and lens, on a super close-out deal ( looks like a white camera ) I got a black and silver earlier for $349. The Lumix 12-32mm came in a package deal with the GX85. It is low cost, China lens, with plastic mount, but is sharp across and pretty nice color rendering in a low cost lens. -Loren lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/
Good comparison. I got the 12-32mm with my GX85. It is excellent from 12-25mm. Above 25mm it is serviceable. For short telephoto, I prefer the excellent Lumix 42.5mm, borrowing the Oly 12-40mm f2.8 from family, or shooting a vintage 35mm lens. I've not used the Lumix X.
The 12-32 G takes very nice photos. It is exactly as you said, I use it on holiday. It came with my GX80. Already I had the Pany 14-42 PZ that I used with my previous GX7. The PZ also takes great photos (an underrated lens) but i sold it and kept the 12-32 because it is a manual zoom and I liked having the 12mm. Also the 12-32 takes advantage of Dual-IS on the GX80. I never thought about the 12-35 X because it costs a lot and is big. If I were to go that big I think the 14-140mm would be a better choice for me. It is nice to have the constant f2.8 of the 12-35 X but for my holiday photos, hopefully the sun is out so f3.5-f5.6 is ok.
I have 12-35 since 2012 or 2013 and I think it's no longer necessary. I never liked 14-45mm/f3.5-5.6 (G1 kit lens) which was not very sharp on one side, IS on GF1 was not great and long end was nearly useless except sunny weather. 12-35/f2.8 is optically superior in every way, it was only somewhat big and heavy for GF1 and it was flawless on G5. But in 2017 i upgraded to G80 which came with IBIS and 12-60/f3.5-5.6 lens for little extra money. To my suprise 12-60 is optically as good as 12-35, size is the same, it weights 100g less, I feel it has better IS so taking hand held wide angle photos in low light is maybe even better with this lens and when I want low aperture, I use prime lenses anyways.
Hi Matti, Great review as always.. I own Lumix 12-32 kit as part of my Lumix GX80 purchase. Great lens with beautiful colors and bokeh. I have also Olympus 40-150mm. I became fan of vintage lens - i have old Olympus 50mm 1.8, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 (both full frame) and speedbooster Zhongui Lens Turbo II - I use them in night and dim conditions.
The Lumix x on my GM1 is a perfect combination that fits in almost any pocket. And it outperformed my Nikon 7000 with a kit lens. So no more excuses to go out without a camera.
@@mattisulanto No, I indeed meant the 12-32 3.5-5.6 the x was my mistake. Maybe I'm so pleased with this small lens that I consider it almost professional.
Interesting. If you have the opportunity to use a Nikon D3500 with a kit 18-55mm, or better yet the 50mm prime ( low price lens ), take some shots and let me know what ya think. So far where my mirrorless MFT cameras have beaten my Nikon is in focusing -- quick focus on the street is not so good with the Nikon. For landscapes, and general photography, both MFT ( Oly. & Panasonic ) do render some good color, and sort of film like qualities, but I would not say overall a better image or dynamic range. For run and gun, fast shooting, I do like MFT. If the Nikon had the focus points and quick to lock focus of a MFT, it would match it on street shooting too, though it is nice to see the preview image before the snap. Preview is not that swift on the DSLR -- don't use it. For small, light and great grip, the Nikon D3500 has it. But I am going all in on mirrorless going forward.
I considered buying the X for a while but figured the G is good enough for me. Especially in conjunction with the little 35-100 which reduces the advantage in speed of the X at the long end (35mm) a little, I don't see the need for the X for me as long as I don't need weather sealing. I love my GM5 with those 2 lenses and the additional 15mm PanaLeica. ThX for making the video!
What application do use to edit pictures? And also what’s your default settings in you camera. I’m using gx85 with the 12-32mm kit lens and im planning to buy a prime lens. Thanks
I have Adobe Lightroom and also Luminar 4. I have some videos where I share some tips on camera settings, please browse my channel. Most of the time I'm on A mode.
Very useful comparison, Matti, thanks! Long ago I got this in a dual kit with the GM5, but have never really used it - I loved the miniature 35-100mm with the GM5, though. That GM5 led me to "accidentally" build up a m4/3 kit ;)
As always, I really enjoy your geometric B&W architectural shots (at about 5:17 in the video) and wonder if you can't sell a high res digital shot online for us to print out? I would pay for that...
I've had and used the 12-32 which came on my GX80, I found its sharpness and focus speed pretty good , I was quite surprised wh n you said the 12-35 costs not a lot @ a 100 euro lol
I haven't used either of those lenses but try comparing out of focus areas or Bokeh, one of weakness in kit lenses at widest apertures. Normally, they are optimised for one aperture values, like f8 in apsc cameras. (I shoot apsc). Bokeh looks hazy, undefined, taking away the impact from the pictures. Result is you make much more beautiful pictures in any circumstances or settings on pro lenses. But yes, if you want everything in focus, kit lenses are good enough.
If 12-32mm as a kit lens compared with Sony 16-50mm kit lens, which do you think is better? Your answer will affected to my decision about these two lenses. Thank you, Matti.
First I'd like to say, that I'm a Lumix Ambassador and my opinion can be biased. It's also difficult to directly compare lenses from different systems. However, I'm going to put it like this. The Lumix 12-32mm lens has a very good universal reputation as a sharp and extremely compact zoom lens. Pretty much everyone who have used it loves it. The Sony lens doesn't have any kind of reputation to my knowledge and there is probably a reason for that too.
this is a late reply but for someone that uses 16-50 with A6700 and 12-32 with GX85, i must say 12-32 is bonkers in sharpness. sony's looks garbage especially for a body like A6700
Hi Matti I have considered getting the 12-35mm f2.8 for indoors , museums and alike but the 25 mm 1.7 seems to do the job , as I have the 12-60mm kit lens I see no need for the 12-32mm G lens , thanks for video , stay safe .
You are great, and that super compact 12-32 is might just be the best ever lens in its class ever made. wide sjort zoomrange, 20mm tall, sharp and high contrast, and no CA to speak of. no CA. I do really disklike CA. CA and lack of contrast/color separation is by far more wore then lack of sharpness. You are, and I am from film photo, 50mm and 105 - 135 3,5-5.6- Asa 100-400, or Kodachrome 64.
to me there is not much reason to buy the more expensive one, the x is not nearly as good as the olympus 2.8 12-40mm and 2.8 is not good enough to have any bokee. the only issue with the cheap lense is that is really bad if you try to take picutres against the light. for normal shots with no harsh light or for vlogging it is very good but i rarely use it anyway becaus the mei leica 15mm has a much better picture quality and i have good bokee if i vlog. i would recommend the cheap lumix g for streetphotography tough , if you are on a budget.
Hallo, thank you for the comparison. You said nothing about flare resistance, contrast and CA. Your 12-32 review also does not discuss it (other than saying that contrast is good). Could you please comment?
I said the X handles backlight better than the G. I don't always mention some things, if there is nothing worth mentioning. That's just the way I do lens reviews and you can always read or watch other more scientific reviews, if you want.
@@sbsphotographer Thanks for enlightening me. The cap is made by my mother in law and there's only one of them😀She's pretty quick at making them, but I don't think she'd be willing make them for sale😀
Nice review. I actually have both. The Lumix G 12-32mm f3.5-5.6 was in bundle with the Lumix GM1 I bought long ago. - small and compact, perfect match for the GM1 and other small, compact m43 bodies - good for travelling and when you don't want to carry big and heavy equipment - no weather sealing, limited and non-constant widest aperture when zooming - requires more light The Lumix G X 12-35mm f2.8 is my preferred standard zoom lens. - weather sealing, better build quality, manual focus - fast constant widest aperture in the complete zoom range; very useful for video recording - perfect for indoor and other low-light situations without using a flash - bigger and heavier Other than size, weight and cost; the main difference is the aperture speed. i.e. at 32mm you have f2.8 vs f5.6 Try doing indoor photography with candle light; you will definately notice a difference!
They are not the same, but I'd have to do some research to find out the exact differences. It's a good idea and I'll see what I can do. The hat is back, because it covers my head😅
@@mattisulanto Matti, Olympus sells a watch cap, golf cap, coffee mug and tee shirts. See if you can convince Panasonic to open such a store on their site. -Loren lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/
@@mattisulanto -- great! Thank you! Yeah -- your hair did need some attention! And if many businesses are closed there like here -- there are no barber shops or hair salons open. We're all going to look a little scruffy in a few weeks!
Just going by the reviews I have read, this Pro lens is well built, and about an average image quality lens. At the current $800 US dollar price, on sale, it is 20% off. It is Japan made. IMHO, at this price it should be sharper to the edge, and overall perfect, but maybe I ask too much. I wonder if it ever goes down to say 40% off? It is impossible on the Internet to find a lowest price for the year on items -- darn it! The Olympus 12-40 Pro gets good reviews -- not sure where made -- maybe China, perhaps another Vietnam lens -- I believe it was China some years ago.
I find my lens to be sharp across the frame when I view on my monitor or print up to A2. I've also seen some reviewers complaining about the IQ, but for me it's enough, if my prints look good and for online use anything is good enough.
Nice photos! An experienced photographer with a kit lens always gets better results than a noob with a pro lens.
Worth noting that version 2 of the 12-35 f/2.8 is both splash and freeze proof; with the G9 and up it also allows for linear manual focus, making it much more usable for the videography thing. Not sure how many folks need any of that, but I really enjoy the lens.
I love my 12-32. I bought it with a very specific role in mind: it lets me stick my camera in my jacket pocket so I have it on walks where I don't want to bring a bag. The addition of a third-party automatic lens cap makes it fast to get out and fast to put away.
Exact reason I got it. What is the 3rd party automatic lens cap you use? Do you recommend it? Thanks.
@@ssthapit It's from JJC. I had to enlarge the opening a bit to reduce vignetting at 12mm. I'm content, but not enthusiastic about it. Olympus makes one that's probably better quality, but it's ridiculously expensive at $35ish for what it is.
Ive got thousands of pounds worth of PRO lenses all the way from F1.2 - F2.8 for when I work professional jobs. But some of the best images I have ever achieved has been with the 14-140 v2 + Panasonic G9 in Bangladesh this year ... every image, I was blown away by. Best travel set up.
I have both of them, the 12-32 combined with its 35-100 sibling makes for an extremely light travelling kit with something like the GX80 or 9. I bought them when I got into the M43 system along with the GX7 and much for the reason of size and lack of weight. Added a Oly 17 F/1.8 for indoors use, and it makes for a splendid, casual travelling kit if flying places or great outdoors stuff. Weighing in at under a kilo along with a spare battery and the battery charger. The only "stupid" thing with it, is its 37mm filter tread, they could have made it a 46mm like its sibling and the Oly. :-) The 12-35mm is a classic in the system and is what I use for "work", when out and about with photography in mind, but it tends to be on the camera for the most of the time. Fancy picking up the 35-100 F/2.8 for a light(ish) classic job set with F/2.8. Carrying the G9 plus the two F/2.8s are less than half the weight of a similiar line-up with my former Canon system, with F/2.8s , as well as half of the price or thereabouts.
Thanks for sharing this.
JensM That is a great kit! I have a similar one... OM-D E-M10ii w/ Pany 12-32mm, 35-100mm, and 20mm/f1.7.
Hi Matti! Interesting comparison. What I've noted that X makes B&W pictures while G colour ones 😉
Thanks! That's one of the pro features😂
It's much more fun seeing your real pictures as well!
I used to own the 12-32 G lens only because it was super cheap and it was kind of an experiment to know the image quality more. I used it often, but the zoom ring actually came unattached. And once that happened, it continued to do so here and there.
Users should also keep in mind that there are two versions of this lens. One has plastic mount and the other is metal. This may not make a difference to some, but depending on the amount of taking on/off, that might be an issue in the long run.
GREAT video. Thanks for chatting about both of these lenses.
Yep, that happened on mine and I fixed it by replacing the adhesive used on the inside of the ring. You can try industrial-strength, but still thin, double sided tape
@@aloi Excellent advice. Thanks!
The tiny 12-32mm G lens is a really handy walkabout lens, it barely weighs anything yet has such a useful focal range. One point to look out for when buying is some have a plastic lens mount while other copies have a metal mount. I searched through a selection in stock on MPB to find one secondhand one with a metal mount. Also the lens will focus manually, but via the 'D-pad' cursor on the back of the camera. With peaking turned on, it's actually very quick and accurate to focus this way.
Good review - good sensible observations and suggestions. I have the small 12-32mm and have been so impressed with its quality photos and the lightness and small size. I love these it when I travel abroad because of those features. ( I have a Lumix GX80 and also an Olympus OM-5 mk III )
Glad it was helpful!
Hmm. 🤔
I got the 'G' as a kit lens with my GX80. Been thinking of upgrading to the 20mm 1.7, but I might hold onto the latter for a bit longer now...
I have and love both, but I almost never use the Lumix G. Because I really need the weather sealed Lens. When I need a small lens generally I use my Leica 15mm f1.7 or the Oly 25mm f1.8.
Weather sealing, or the lack of it, can be a deal breaker.
Love the review. I got the 12-32mm at a great price used and near new condition just for fun and compliment my 14-140mm. You are spot on what a great little lens it is. Would have been nice to pick up the 12-35mm, just not in the budget.
how much for the 12-32 is a good price? greetings
Thanks. These are the two lenses I'm considering right now.
Thanks!
I spent the past week testing all the lenses i own for M43 and checking the opticallimits page.
(M.Zuiko 12-40mm F2.8, 45mm f1,8, 75mm f1.8, 14-42mm EZ, Lumix GX 35-100 F2.8 and Leica DG Summilux 25mm F1,4)
1. I am really curious to try 12-32mm on my M5MkIII. My 14-42mm Ez suffers from chromatic aberration on wide to standard focal range. However 12-32 is not available for standalone purchase here.
2. Certain lenses can be used without much impact on both Olympus and Lumix bodies.
Some lenses work well on both systems because they dont require in-body correction. This applies for chromatic aberration and distortion. If those are low or you can switch the lens to body of any manufacturer. Lumix G X 35-100 F2.8 is a great example of this.
3. HiRes mode can be used for sharpness tests.
Tripod, remote shutter and subject like a wooden statue can reveal which lens is really sharper.
If you can't go out, you can always test your lenses😀
The Olympus 14-42mm II R lens is great in the middle and fairly good to the edge. I use the 12-32mm Lumix kit lens on my Olympus PL-8 all the time now -- and of course it works fine on my GX85 Lumix. As for the Olympus 14-42 R II lens, I got that with the PL-8 from Adorama in USA. For $280 US dollars, you now get a PL-8 and lens, on a super close-out deal ( looks like a white camera ) I got a black and silver earlier for $349. The Lumix 12-32mm came in a package deal with the GX85. It is low cost, China lens, with plastic mount, but is sharp across and pretty nice color rendering in a low cost lens. -Loren lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/
Good comparison. I got the 12-32mm with my GX85. It is excellent from 12-25mm. Above 25mm it is serviceable. For short telephoto, I prefer the excellent Lumix 42.5mm, borrowing the Oly 12-40mm f2.8 from family, or shooting a vintage 35mm lens. I've not used the Lumix X.
Thanks for sharing, appreciate.
The 12-32 F3.5 is an engineering marvel! I almost sold it but I am happy I didn't.
Though it's a bit slow, but it's awesome what they crammed inside, happy for you to not sell the awesome lens
The 12-32 G takes very nice photos. It is exactly as you said, I use it on holiday. It came with my GX80. Already I had the Pany 14-42 PZ that I used with my previous GX7. The PZ also takes great photos (an underrated lens) but i sold it and kept the 12-32 because it is a manual zoom and I liked having the 12mm. Also the 12-32 takes advantage of Dual-IS on the GX80.
I never thought about the 12-35 X because it costs a lot and is big. If I were to go that big I think the 14-140mm would be a better choice for me. It is nice to have the constant f2.8 of the 12-35 X but for my holiday photos, hopefully the sun is out so f3.5-f5.6 is ok.
PS - I wrote an article of my thoughts on the 12-32 v 14-42 PZ here: mgxp.blogspot.com/2017/08/which-lens-is-best-panasonic-12-32-or.html?m=1
Thanks, I'll take a look.
I have 12-35 since 2012 or 2013 and I think it's no longer necessary. I never liked 14-45mm/f3.5-5.6 (G1 kit lens) which was not very sharp on one side, IS on GF1 was not great and long end was nearly useless except sunny weather. 12-35/f2.8 is optically superior in every way, it was only somewhat big and heavy for GF1 and it was flawless on G5. But in 2017 i upgraded to G80 which came with IBIS and 12-60/f3.5-5.6 lens for little extra money. To my suprise 12-60 is optically as good as 12-35, size is the same, it weights 100g less, I feel it has better IS so taking hand held wide angle photos in low light is maybe even better with this lens and when I want low aperture, I use prime lenses anyways.
For x varrio especially you do portrait and lowlight shoots
Hi Matti, Great review as always..
I own Lumix 12-32 kit as part of my Lumix GX80 purchase. Great lens with beautiful colors and bokeh. I have also Olympus 40-150mm. I became fan of vintage lens - i have old Olympus 50mm 1.8, Vivitar 28mm 2.8 (both full frame) and speedbooster Zhongui Lens Turbo II - I use them in night and dim conditions.
Kiitos, Matti!
Kiitos itsellesi😀
The Lumix x on my GM1 is a perfect combination that fits in almost any pocket. And it outperformed my Nikon 7000 with a kit lens. So no more excuses to go out without a camera.
I guess you mean the GM1 + 12-32mm.
@@mattisulanto oops
@@ruuddirks5565 Did I miss the small x or did you edit your original comment? 😅
@@mattisulanto No, I indeed meant the 12-32 3.5-5.6 the x was my mistake. Maybe I'm so pleased with this small lens that I consider it almost professional.
Interesting. If you have the opportunity to use a Nikon D3500 with a kit 18-55mm, or better yet the 50mm prime ( low price lens ), take some shots and let me know what ya think. So far where my mirrorless MFT cameras have beaten my Nikon is in focusing -- quick focus on the street is not so good with the Nikon. For landscapes, and general photography, both MFT ( Oly. & Panasonic ) do render some good color, and sort of film like qualities, but I would not say overall a better image or dynamic range. For run and gun, fast shooting, I do like MFT. If the Nikon had the focus points and quick to lock focus of a MFT, it would match it on street shooting too, though it is nice to see the preview image before the snap. Preview is not that swift on the DSLR -- don't use it. For small, light and great grip, the Nikon D3500 has it. But I am going all in on mirrorless going forward.
I thought it was more like half a stop difference at the wide end rather than a stop and a half.
You are absolutely right and the first to comment on that😀
I considered buying the X for a while but figured the G is good enough for me. Especially in conjunction with the little 35-100 which reduces the advantage in speed of the X at the long end (35mm) a little, I don't see the need for the X for me as long as I don't need weather sealing. I love my GM5 with those 2 lenses and the additional 15mm PanaLeica. ThX for making the video!
I have both, I use the 12-35 with my G7 and the 12-32 with the GX800, love both, but my favorite is the Lumix X 12-35.
Thanks for sharing.
What application do use to edit pictures? And also what’s your default settings in you camera. I’m using gx85 with the 12-32mm kit lens and im planning to buy a prime lens. Thanks
I have Adobe Lightroom and also Luminar 4. I have some videos where I share some tips on camera settings, please browse my channel. Most of the time I'm on A mode.
Very useful comparison, Matti, thanks! Long ago I got this in a dual kit with the GM5, but have never really used it - I loved the miniature 35-100mm with the GM5, though. That GM5 led me to "accidentally" build up a m4/3 kit ;)
Spasibo, Matti !
Thanks!
Real Photographers Shoot Real Photography... others pixel peep 🐻👍🏻
You know, I was thinking about the same exact slogan when I was recording the video😀
What a relief ☺️✨ it's a trap, pixel peeping 😬
New T-Shirt idea "Real Photographers Only Shoot Lab Test Photos" 🤣
Thanks bro. It seems you are full of great ideas😀
As always, I really enjoy your geometric B&W architectural shots (at about 5:17 in the video) and wonder if you can't sell a high res digital shot online for us to print out? I would pay for that...
I'd rather print myself and sell the prints, but there are some details to be resolved before that can happen.
I've had and used the 12-32 which came on my GX80, I found its sharpness and focus speed pretty good , I was quite surprised wh n you said the 12-35 costs not a lot @ a 100 euro lol
I haven't used either of those lenses but try comparing out of focus areas or Bokeh, one of weakness in kit lenses at widest apertures. Normally, they are optimised for one aperture values, like f8 in apsc cameras. (I shoot apsc). Bokeh looks hazy, undefined, taking away the impact from the pictures.
Result is you make much more beautiful pictures in any circumstances or settings on pro lenses. But yes, if you want everything in focus, kit lenses are good enough.
If 12-32mm as a kit lens compared with Sony 16-50mm kit lens, which do you think is better?
Your answer will affected to my decision about these two lenses. Thank you, Matti.
First I'd like to say, that I'm a Lumix Ambassador and my opinion can be biased. It's also difficult to directly compare lenses from different systems. However, I'm going to put it like this. The Lumix 12-32mm lens has a very good universal reputation as a sharp and extremely compact zoom lens. Pretty much everyone who have used it loves it. The Sony lens doesn't have any kind of reputation to my knowledge and there is probably a reason for that too.
this is a late reply but for someone that uses 16-50 with A6700 and 12-32 with GX85, i must say 12-32 is bonkers in sharpness. sony's looks garbage especially for a body like A6700
Hi Matti I have considered getting the 12-35mm f2.8 for indoors , museums and alike but the 25 mm 1.7 seems to do the job , as I have the 12-60mm kit lens I see no need for the 12-32mm G lens , thanks for video , stay safe .
Thanks! The 25mm is great, if you don't need any wider angle.
@@mattisulanto A good point Matti , I am still considering the 12-35 f2.8 but not sure I would use it that much .
You are great, and that super compact 12-32 is might just be the best ever lens in its class ever made. wide sjort zoomrange, 20mm tall, sharp and high contrast, and no CA to speak of. no CA. I do really disklike CA. CA and lack of contrast/color separation is by far more wore then lack of sharpness.
You are, and I am from film photo, 50mm and 105 - 135 3,5-5.6- Asa 100-400, or Kodachrome 64.
Thanks for sharing!
to me there is not much reason to buy the more expensive one, the x is not nearly as good as the olympus 2.8 12-40mm and 2.8 is not good enough to have any bokee. the only issue with the cheap lense is that is really bad if you try to take picutres against the light. for normal shots with no harsh light or for vlogging it is very good but i rarely use it anyway becaus the mei leica 15mm has a much better picture quality and i have good bokee if i vlog. i would recommend the cheap lumix g for streetphotography tough , if you are on a budget.
Hallo, thank you for the comparison. You said nothing about flare resistance, contrast and CA. Your 12-32 review also does not discuss it (other than saying that contrast is good). Could you please comment?
I said the X handles backlight better than the G. I don't always mention some things, if there is nothing worth mentioning. That's just the way I do lens reviews and you can always read or watch other more scientific reviews, if you want.
@@mattisulanto thanks, sorry i have probably missed that
Matti, we need links to your watch cap
Watch cap?
sulantoblog The Naval term for the black cap you wear, used by sailors when on watch (looking for ice bergs) example
Good ones are hard to come by
@@sbsphotographer Thanks for enlightening me. The cap is made by my mother in law and there's only one of them😀She's pretty quick at making them, but I don't think she'd be willing make them for sale😀
Nice review.
I actually have both.
The Lumix G 12-32mm f3.5-5.6 was in bundle with the Lumix GM1 I bought long ago.
- small and compact, perfect match for the GM1 and other small, compact m43 bodies
- good for travelling and when you don't want to carry big and heavy equipment
- no weather sealing, limited and non-constant widest aperture when zooming
- requires more light
The Lumix G X 12-35mm f2.8 is my preferred standard zoom lens.
- weather sealing, better build quality, manual focus
- fast constant widest aperture in the complete zoom range; very useful for video recording
- perfect for indoor and other low-light situations without using a flash
- bigger and heavier
Other than size, weight and cost; the main difference is the aperture speed.
i.e. at 32mm you have f2.8 vs f5.6
Try doing indoor photography with candle light; you will definately notice a difference!
Steinbockhase Candle light??? I would rather do that with the 20mm f/1.7!
The hat is back! Hey Matti -- can you do a video on all of the various Lumix OIS types? Are they all the same but have different names?
They are not the same, but I'd have to do some research to find out the exact differences. It's a good idea and I'll see what I can do. The hat is back, because it covers my head😅
@@mattisulanto Matti, Olympus sells a watch cap, golf cap, coffee mug and tee shirts. See if you can convince Panasonic to open such a store on their site. -Loren lorenschwiderski.smugmug.com/
@@mattisulanto -- great! Thank you! Yeah -- your hair did need some attention! And if many businesses are closed there like here -- there are no barber shops or hair salons open. We're all going to look a little scruffy in a few weeks!
Just going by the reviews I have read, this Pro lens is well built, and about an average image quality lens. At the current $800 US dollar price, on sale, it is 20% off. It is Japan made. IMHO, at this price it should be sharper to the edge, and overall perfect, but maybe I ask too much. I wonder if it ever goes down to say 40% off? It is impossible on the Internet to find a lowest price for the year on items -- darn it! The Olympus 12-40 Pro gets good reviews -- not sure where made -- maybe China, perhaps another Vietnam lens -- I believe it was China some years ago.
I find my lens to be sharp across the frame when I view on my monitor or print up to A2. I've also seen some reviewers complaining about the IQ, but for me it's enough, if my prints look good and for online use anything is good enough.
I got the lumix g / it is gret and so easy 🙂
Can we use these lens on Canon eos90d ? Thanks
No, they are for another system.
X wins IMO
for anyone who prefers 3.5-5.6 instead of 2.8. clinically flat images
谢谢你，很中肯的评价，让我省下数千人民币，再次谢谢你