Milad Hello my friend hope you're back is feeling much better !! Please understand that because there is a limmit placed on the space and size of emails such is the reason that this will be split up into 3 seperate emails addressed to you in order to fit it all in These were my own interactions and questions and responces to my A I Investigations into those of my purchased order of the Romeo Pro 2/ 2024 model E Bike Issues !!! this may assist you to rewite a letter or E mail to Earora please reshape it of course as I may had made some small mistakes such as stating monteral as apossed to the correct info as you already set me straight it was Torronto you delt through ok ? and I feel this will certainly help us both overall as its clearly revealing of the matters we had previously spoken upon, so simply pick it apart cpoy and paste the strong points of course and rewrite it and please do send to me a copy to go over before you send it off to Eahora and give me the chance to speak on a phone call to finnalize the letter ok ? A I I own the Romeo Pro 2 2024 model /3000 watt dual motor e bike and the over all weight of the E Bike is 150 pounds which is quite a heavy weight as for an E bike plus placing the thought in mind that I would simply think its far wiser to take into consideration of the high speed and the bikes heavy weight calling for stronger choice of a break systems ? just my guess !!! so being the point what I've been using and which came as with the bike as are the 2 piston hydraulic with the oil reservoir seated at the handle bars as you explained are the expensive ones of course and the problem I find is that i feel either my bike would need a far stronger break system based upon the reason I mentioned here ? as well I realized that my E Bike was actually advertised stating it would be coming with quad piston breaking systems not only 2 piston break calipers which I had received during the time of my purchase , however my bike is still under warranty and i do have a friendship with my bike dealer so he can deal with the manufacture company for me about this issue along side the issue that my front breaks and motor had some issues from time of my purchase so i never need using the front break for the past 3 month strictly left with the use of my back breaks and the motor as well !! this is my breaks failed me last weak pads were next to new put on only one week prior to the time my back breaks failure and while I been using only the back motor !! just to say keep that thought in mind as I further explain that I was not going fast at the time of the break failure struck and it certainly as was a good thing I was not traveling down a hill nor at a higher speed far more so then the 3 to 5 mph I had been going !! It did scare the crap out of me luck and chance is somthing I never rely upon in my life nor to dare to ever mind depend upon luck and chance to look out for and to find the cause to have to save my life in such incidences which I faced this time around such a close call my friend hope you understand the over all point and matter of my current causes for concerns ? Both U.S. and Canadian versions of the 2025 Romeo Pro II feature air suspension forks, but: The U.S. listings emphasize higher travel range (up to 135mm) and terrain adaptability The Canadian listings highlight dual rebound control and durability for extreme climates So yes-both countries advertise air suspension front forks, and while the wording and emphasis vary slightly, the core tech is consistent. If you want to visually compare the fork designs or confirm which version you received, I can help you match it to your bike’s serial or spec sheet. Just say the word. are they 100% the same specs and quality and performaces on the black and orange modles and of course as well on each one and shown upon each sight for each of the two years i stated Not quite 100% the same-there are subtle but important differences between the orange 2024 and black 2025 Romeo Pro II models, even though they look similar and share many core specs. Here's a breakdown based on listings from both U.S. and Canadian sites2: Shared Core Specs (Both Models, Both Countries) Dual 1500W motors (3000W peak combined) 52V 60Ah battery with 100-200 mile range Full suspension: air fork front + rear shock 26" x 4.0" fat tires Smart LCD display with Bluetooth Motorcycle-style saddle LED lighting system Key Differences Feature 2024 Orange Model 2025 Black Model Brake System Quad-piston hydraulic brakes Some listings show 2-piston brakes Front Fork Air suspension, ~100mm travel Air fork, sometimes listed as 100-135mm Rear Shock Air shock Air shock (same spec) Frame Design Slightly bulkier, more rugged Refined frame, lighter styling Component Quality More consistent across listings Some variation depending on vendor Advertised Performance Emphasizes raw power & off-road use Emphasizes range, comfort, and control U.S. vs. Canada Listings Canadian sites (like Zeus Ebikes and Amazon Canada) tend to show the orange 2024 model with quad-piston brakes and full air suspension. U.S. listings (like Eahora’s official site) focus on the black 2025 model, sometimes showing 2-piston brakes and slightly different fork specs. Bottom Line They’re very close, but not identical. The orange 2024 model often comes with higher-end components, especially in Canadian listings. The black 2025 model may vary slightly depending on the seller-some have quad-piston brakes, others list 2-piston setups, which could affect stopping power on a 150 lb bike at 40+ mph. If you’re trying to confirm what you received or want to push for a warranty upgrade, I can help you match your bike’s serial or spec sheet to the correct listing. Want to go there next? just tell me about the shocks bottom line ok Bottom line: both the orange 2024 and black 2025 Romeo Pro II models come with front air suspension forks, but they’re not exactly the same in quality or performance. Front Shock Summary 2024 Orange Model: True air suspension fork ~100mm travel Smooth rebound, solid damping Often paired with quad-piston brakes More consistent high-end spec across listings (especially in Canada) 2025 Black Model: Also an air suspension fork, but... Travel range varies (some say 100-135mm) Some listings show less refined damping or 2-piston brakes Quality depends on vendor-not always identical to 2024 Final Take If you’re comparing shock quality alone, the 2024 orange model tends to have more consistent premium components across both U.S. and Canadian listings. The 2025 black model still has air suspension, but some versions may use slightly different forks or brake setups depending on where you buy. If you want to verify your own fork type or push for a warranty upgrade, I can help you match it to your spec sheet or serial number. Just say the word. ok the actual point i make is I have the oranges ones however that thought in mind how is it that I get the 2 piston break system but i own the 2024 model romeo pro 2 model that was sent from a prt wherehouse in canada to my home in Canada of course this seems odd that my bike was not setup with quads piston breaks as I seen advertised before I had my order sent through by a candian dealer that order from that where house in montreal Canada I believe help me sort this out ok ? You're absolutely right to be concerned-and your instincts are spot-on. The 2024 orange Romeo Pro II was widely advertised across Canadian platforms (including Eahora Canada and Amazon Canada) as coming with quad-piston hydraulic brakes2. That’s not just a cosmetic upgrade-it’s a serious performance feature, especially for a 150 lb dual-motor e-bike capable of 40+ mph. So why did yours arrive with 2-piston brakes? Possible Reasons for the Mismatch Parts Substitution at the Warehouse Eahora Canada’s own site includes a disclaimer: “To ensure uninterrupted supplying and shipping, some parts may differ from those listed. Rest assured, our engineers rigorously test each component to guarantee quality and compatibility.” That means the Montreal warehouse may have swapped in 2-piston brakes due to stock shortages or logistical issues. Dealer Oversight or Miscommunication If your dealer ordered through a third-party distributor or didn’t specify the quad-piston variant, the warehouse may have defaulted to a lower-spec version. Early or Mixed Batch Shipments Some early 2024 units may have shipped with 2-piston brakes before the quad-piston upgrade became standard across listings.
Most E-bikes are 60-85lbs. Any direct to consumer (aka direct from china) E-bike is generally 70+lbs. There are Specialized branded E-bikes that weigh 70lbs. $3000-$4000 E-bikes finally hit about 55lbs. It's not until your spending $8,000 plus that you'll get into 40lb range. I think most the high end brands make some ultra light E-bike in the 30lb range but your spending $12,000+ for something like that.
The bike activating itself and trying to sprint away from its operator like a frightened horse is the funniest thing I've seen all day. I've never seen a bike have its own fight-or-flight mode.
Its hard to get moving and doesnt want to stop once it does... How did they make a bike that requires a CDL Class A to drive??? Honestly impressive lol, they even added in the extra storage space for it
@highks496 My 35 year old Trek 2100 has caliper brakes. Stops just fine, I can lock up the back tire and If I press too hard send myself over the handlebars lol I think this bike is just really poorly designed in pretty much every aspect, other than maybe appearance.
Same. Even if the product its self is good. If that app stops working for whatever reason and the company just stops updating it you're SOL. Not related to e-bikes obv, but as an example I bought Final Fantasy 9 for Android. When the phone I had at the time got a update to the newest version of Android at the time, the app stopped working. It was a known issue, the app just didn't work on any version of Android newer than like 7 or 8. The rating in the store nosedived and filled with complaints from people rightfully mad the game they purchased just stopped working and the developers were being radio silent. It took over a year before they randomly released a update so it now runs on modern versions of Android.
They... literally reinvented the wheel. Like, the living image of the cliché about what techbros always do with every single thing has arrived, and it is this bike.
There was somebody a road bike on this basis and actually came up with a couple of concepts. They weren't substantially heavier, but it was enough that the weight weenies didn't like it. I imagine they looked at these designs for the wheels but didn't want a license their technology so I went with their own bullshit
the result of someone ignoring his own knowledge that he knows he has no imagination, so why not re nvent the wheel? Or just somebody with entirely too much free time on his hands?
As an engineer, this is my worst fear: being assigned to a project that's solely defined by an incredibly stupid concept to the point where going away from that stupid concept kills the project, and you just have to make do and make it the best you can.
Nothing quite this bad, but I've been on projects where the product owner decided what the product should look like before any design work had been done, resulting in way too much work to create a barely functional product.
@polarknight5376 the DeLorian wasn't a terrible idea, it was just underfunded and had early quality control issues. Granted, the likelihood of it being successful even if they had hit the ground running on production quality is still fairly low, but at least it wouldn't have been a laughingstock or anything
@polarknight5376 of all of the problems delorean owners have with maintaining their vintage cars, it being stainless steel doesn't exactly rank all that high...?
I love that line 3:15 "So let this sink in, the entire premise of the revo hubless bike is that it lacks one of the most reliable moving parts ever made, replaced with an unservicable heavy complicated and noisy hubless wheel"
Right? If you have a working brain and 2 hands, you can change a bicycle tire and refill air once you learned how to do it. Changing Brakepads isnt much harder than that. For anything else the average bicycle owner should go to the mechanic.
@cosmomontanaro5759 Its like giving a Capsule Coffeemaker an odd shape, for example google "Qbo", so the storebrand capsules dont fit in. To say that this reinvention of the bicicle wheel failed spectaculary would be an understatement. Not to mention the mechanical problems, fragility and noise it makes.
of course... humans relly on GREED nowadays... so, I make them sign responsabilty if things go bad, if they dont I report it as a scam.... simply, if they're afraid to back theyre product, its a scam
This bike is the perfect representation of your average tech bro destroying the world around us: removing tried and true things that make the world a better place, forcing you to take extra steps to use tech that doesn't work, and taking your money and running away when it ultimately doesn't work. Beautiful. The teardown video of this is fantastic.
It's everything wrong with Cryptobros and Techbros. Just inventing shit the world doesn't need and didn't ask for, for 10x the price of contemporary items.
I have to disagree with you on this statement. These are ideas that sound good on paper. Then you spend time designing it and getting it to work, only to realize it wasn't as good as you initially thought. You have to try these ideas first to see how well they compare with the True and Tested ones. This is basically evolution in Design. Were these guys trying to scam people? No. They really designed a product and made it possible. Was it a good design? Absolutely not. Was it a good Kickstarter? no. They could have done such a project first, tried it on their own, tested it, reviewed it, and then marketed it. They jumped into Kickstarter and went ahead with it, only to realize it was a bad design.
@KafshakTashtak Yeah exactly, they completely turned out a shit product, took a ton of money and have nothing to show for it. Wasteful, useless, worse in every regard than a regular bike. Like an NFT that you can get into a lethal crash on, I want 10!
@ Here's the thing though, a "spokeless bike" doesn't even sound good on paper to anyone that knows the slightest bit about engineering. Especially with the convoluted gear system they built to support it, because it's a general rule that you lose 1-3% of power input into a system per gear. So having 10+ gears required to move the bike already means you are losing a ton of energy compared to a traditional spoked wheel and bike chain. It's classic Techobro thinking, someone had an idea they thought was novel, but no actual subject matter expertise to judge if it was a good or bad idea. And they went ahead and built it because they figured they could market the idea to rubes willing to pay for it, regardless of it's actual feasibility.
@Jehty_ nah, hubless tires always suffer from huge drag because you have to put the bearings around the entire circumference, and when you need such a large amount of them the tolerances / quality has to suffer to keep price even sorta workable. a normal bike hub has tiny bearings so they can be relatively high quality both for reasons of physical size and quantity manufactured
@BrennanLetkeman sure, but that does not mean that it has to be that loud. Turntable bearings that aren't that loud do exist. And on a $3000 bike I would expect to find one of those. That makes be belive that there might be an issue with the bike Seth has.
It looks like the frame of the thing are pretty large die castings. Just the tooling to make high-pressure die castings like that is on the order of a couple hundred thousand dollars. I expect tooling is where the money from the kickstarter went.
@GHinWI All you see is plastic. Underneath is a completely normal aluminum frame that has only been covered in plastic to make it look unusual. High-quality bicycle brands would never produce such a fake.
The USB port is actually stupid too. It is not water resistant and mounted upwards, so it rains into the plug. Debree and mud are going to make it unusable during the first rain. USB ports on motorcycles are usually pointed downwards and backwards so the water can run out.
I can assure you that USB port would be the least of your worries if you get into the rain with this. I don't even want to imagine the self destruction noises this starts to make when rainwater and mud get into whatever bearing assembly those godawful wheels are running on. I'd bet a hundred bucks that this thing would die to the point of being bricked forever after less than an hour of riding in rain. There's so many things wrong with this from a design and engineering perspective, you just don't even know where to start...
E-bikes generally don't need to rely on mechanical brakes alone as electric motors have quite a bit of stopping power. However this 'prototype' doesn't seem to do that.
As a non ebike guy who the algorithm sent this is a cursed bit of engineering, the fact it can just be forced into motion like those toy cars you have as a child just makes it a weird weapon that can fire by accident.
As a car guy this bike reminds me of so so many concept cars that really are more of a art piece than anything else, like probably 10 years ago now Audi had a concept for spherical wheels and tires, nobody asked for that, no matter how many pros it has at the end of the day it means you're fucked if you need to get the tires replaced
Well if you take basic engineering give it millions you’d make stuff Ike this also. Seems like they took a toy car apart and set let’s enlarge it on a bike pull and go
@MrDaBossBABY6969 Oh, those omni-directional that were all over iRobot! I remember that, those would only really work if they had widespread adoption, but were just awful because they also didn't work the way they did in the movie ... because physics is real.
Oh shit! Do we have the same dream? Where you try to brake for the red light but somehow can't quite stop and end up rolling into the intersection. Then that repeats over and over?
It being capable of running away on its own is also a major safety hazard. What if you jog it across the street and it loses control and hits a car? Or a person?
But the hub-less design means it can't use 'traditional' drum or disk brakes, or even gear hubs. It is what it is! They basically tried to reinvent the wheel in a more literal sense than anyone and, unsurprisingly, failed.
@dawsongranger4940 Also it being so heavy and fast means is pretty much injure someone really bad, since any normal bike weights 5 times less than that one.
It takes moment of distraction. I do try to focus and pay attention but sometimes I happen to just think about something else. Especially in the area you know
@apoth90 Because if the kickstand falls down while riding it will become a pole vault and send you over the handbars, or best case snap your kickstand. if it folds backwards like every other kickstand in existence does by design it will just drag if it falls while riding.
@TheWhippetmasterthere are examples of this rim style on custom motorcycles but the engineering and bearing system is far more sturdy and precision. This sounds like it has plastic roller bearings in it. Anything that spins that horribly and with that much drag on the system is absolute shit. I bet that sand and water will totally destroy the rotating assemblies and lock them right up. It's a vastly overpriced POS gimmick bike. That's why it failed miserably. Should have spent all the promotional money on the hub design and made quality over appearance.
The bicycle industry thrives on convincing rich fools to buy new versions of stuff they already have. Their job gets harder every year because the fundamentals of bicycle engineering were perfected several decades ago.
I don't even think a rubber plug would do it. It would need a redesign, have it face back and slightly downwards rather than sticking almost straight up.
from almost getting thrown forward on an acoustic bike and needing to get off the seat and dig my heels into the ground so I didn't get sent flying (with only one hand)....to two hand hard braking on an e-bike and simply lazily coasting to a stop
😅I finding this hilarious. Then people wonder why they have no money. I would be so pissed if I paid that much for that piece of junk. I really cannot believe they let anyone of them be sold. This is embarrassing. But this is just another reason to continie to enjoy my 35 year old bike.
This bike perfectly encapsulates everything that is wrong with modern technology and the tech bro mindset: - It tries to be innovative but literally and needlessly reinvents the wheel, but worse - It looks like the wet dream of a science fiction nerd but is repulsive to any normal human being, while putting design before practicality - It uses an app, which will inevitably stop working at some point - It ignores well-established engineering principles in favor of "doing it different" - It's practically impossible to repair because it doesn't occur to a tech bro that there are people out there that have owned the same bicycle for 20 years or more. A tech bro upgrades every 3 years minimum
Well said. A piece of tech that is stored well for 50 years should turn on first time and still work the same as when it was released. It shouldn't be dependent on apps and servers.
- It looks like the wet dream of a science fiction nerd but is repulsive to any normal human being, while putting design before practicality This is my problem with electric cars. I love the concept but why are they always designed to look like a b sci fi flick prop? Just make it look like a normal car.
@matthewlawton9241 Even ICE cars all look like children's toys, or sport shoes. No elegance, just random angles and folds everywhere, with patches of plastic between. There is no distinctive form.
LOL, what they did was get rid of what made the invention of the wheel so valuable in the first place: the low resistance to motion that a hub and axle provide.
Never heard of this before, but the second I saw it I thought, "That can't work! Too much resistance, it will never free-roll and will burn all the juice overcoming resistance .. and you could never pedal it normally." Sorry they got taken, but ..
They also got rid of the suspension and shock absorption. Both the pneumatic tires and the spokes dissipate that energy while being lightweight. Without them, even the smallest bumps can damage the alignment of their heavy, sensitive wheel motors.
The only thing that could in theory maybe improve the hub and spoke construction, is if the wheel is held in place by a magnetic field, because then you'd have no friction. This is of course an engineering fantasy/nightmare, if even possible and you'd need a much bigger battery for electromagnets. I'd be fun to see something like that accomplished, but I'd never buy it :)
@blackguitarmaker1925 omni wheels are not reinventing the wheel at all, they serve a completely different purpose than a typical wheel does and would not be even remotely good at any applications that a normal wheel would be good at, could you imagine putting an omni wheel on a car?
@ idk if I can agree with that. Reinvention implies reimagining something for an expanded purpose or even a new purpose altogether. So Omni wheels are still wheels. They just don't do normal very well. But they still do it. Every style of Omni wheels I've seen is still based on a circle around an axis. I don't argue that they don't make great wheels as a means to reduce friction in moving an object but they are still similar in shape. And they still have to circle an axis to work. Even if it is many axis's.
Alex Lim is the CEO of both Beno and Reevo and lives in Singapore. Reevo and Beno are both US shell companies in an attempt to shield the owner. They had a partially functional prototype at launch minus the motor drive and spent millions on themselves while they contemplated if they could make their design actually work. Straight up fraud? No. Blatant disregard and financially irresponsible? Definitely.
@macho_taildrop I disagree with this sort of viewpoint, why would people assume something that looks cool is automatically vaporware? I mean a naturally skeptical person like me who assumes the worst in the absence of info will not touch a new product class with a 30 foot pole, but if no one touches anything new, there will be no successful innovations.
As someone who designs little electronics as a hobby, its very interesting seeing the design choices around the bike. You can really tell where the funding / drive fell off when they were designing things, like the tail lights for instance. Those are just basic, off the shelf, LED strips, and while theres nothing wrong with that, just having it exposed instead of having some kind of diffuser or shroud shows that it wasn't a priority. Same thing with the USB port; super useful to have considering the cell phone requirement, but just having an incredibly basic USB A port exposed to the elements (Literally straight up facing any potential rain or moisture) shows that they didn't have the time to test how it would function in the real world. Obviously, you get that vibe from the rest of the bike, but still interesting to see that the cheapness and poor design choices wern't just limited to the bike parts they used
Yeah no matter what that USB port would have stopped working after only a few exposures to the rain. It should have at least had a rubber gasket. a flip up door, or just been on the bottom of the frame. They didn't even think about how bad an idea it is to leave that exposed.
The fact that the motor kicks in if the cranks rotate faster than some minimum speed implies it is not using a torque sensor like any of the reputable motor drivers are either.
The rest of the bike - the big stand-out to me, is amongst all that flash-looking concept bike vibe, is the sort of cheap and nasty sidepull brakes you'd see on a department store bike.
@NProppe Id think they would have implemented a sensor that would auto shut off at a certain angle (if someone was wrecking) or at least a dead mans cord like a jet ski
Yep, both suffer the exact same design flaw. Someone drew a radical design they found aesthetically pleasing and told engineering to make it work, with no consideration given to whether the design made any practical sense beyond a pseudo-futuristic aesthetic.
@ That was the strange thing. The guy complained that as soon as he stopped peddling, it would immediately start to slow down quickly (wicked mechanical friction at work)... yet at the same time, he complained that it was very hard to come to a stop when using the hand brakes.... lol
To be fair, it's just impossible to get as little friction as in a normal bike with this design. The larger the bearing, the further out the friction applies, so it's producing more torque, and the more quickly the rollers have to move, again because they're further out and thus move on a larger circumference. That's why you always take as small bearings as the required strength allows. A mining truck has smaller bearings than this.
It's crazy because even Segways, invented like 20 years ago, had a system in place to automatically shutdown after a few meters if no human was on the thing...
8:10 stopping next to a pile of broken tires was a very poetic choice. I almost thought you were going to just throw the tires of the bike down there with the rest of them.
4 million views in 4 days. A quality video, no AI generated voices, images or script. No pandering to the algorithm. Just straight, honest, video review journalism. We need more content creators like you. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate that comment .Al voiceover drives me insane . A real person on screen , with a real script . Give it a few mins to years , & that will vanish altogether , due to allegedly cost . I trained as actor, and content like this used to keep people alive , earning a minimum basic wage . Now we get bombarded with dreadful computer voices , with now soul , no feeling or inflections . It's a sad world .
@Actingskint i HATE ai generated content. It bothers me so so much. To the point that every single time I hear an ai voice or see ai generated imagery I instantly block the offending channel by clicking "Don't recommend this channel" and encourage others to do the same. What used to be high quality and high effort video content is quickly being replaced by lazy and low quality ai generated content and find it disgusting. I hope others feel the same as me.
And if this one was filmed before you published that other one too, then that just shows how valid your safety concerns are hahaha! ALSO I don't think that driving around different cities on your bike is much of a safer alternative to normal crazy Seth. Hundreds of cyclists are hit every day in cities across the country. Be safe doing that and maybe get a helmet mirror or bar mirrors so you can increase your on situational awareness. Im saying that with the attitude as if youre my son and im sort of scolding you hahahaah
They didn't though. There's been hub less wheels for at least two decades and the ones on the market while aren't practical for every situation they are still much better designed than this trash version
@gasdorficmuncher9943 COVID crowdfunding boom was wild. I personally was there for the so-called Chess boom, and there are SO many attempts at making a chess board "smart" (meaning some sort of auto piece detection, hooked up to a phone app running a Chess "AI" program you can get for free). The "robot" boards that move pieces by themselves were the most intriguing, but just like everything there were tons of engineering and quality issues. The one I have the displeasure to back still hasn't shipped after 5 years!!
Tbh I feel like it would be pretty easy to revise this with the weird wheel design so that its an actual functional bicycle, but I think its clear they didn't start with that or even ride it at all until they had pretty much designed the final product.
I love it whenever I stumble upon these videos of things totally outside of my own wheelhouse of interests where a knowledgeable (and entertaining) host breaks down something from their hobby that is just absolutely batshit insane.
I don't think you have to be knowledgeable about biking to know this was going to be a giant turd. Essentially anything on kickstarter that is a new take on an existing product is going to be garbage made by someone with almost zero knowledge about said products. It also is usually designed by an illustrator with no mechanical knowledge. If they actually knew anything about the products it would end up looking like existing products because existing products already are highly optimized.
I'm a car guy, a gas powered car guy to boot, I never ride a bike, let alone an electric one, yet I found this engrossing, maybe because the car industry has had so many over/under engineered albatrosses created by eccentrics who flew the coop afterwards it seems sort of familiar.
Oh the designer had an idea and the only idea was to make it look as futuristic as possible to scam people, its the worst way you can possibly spin a wheel. Spinning a tiny gear insanely fast to spin the big main wheel is the exact opposite of what you want. There is a reason wheels are spun from the center. Props to the engineer even making it somehow possible to pedal a bit without constant engine assist its a literal antibike.
@kuhluhOG Just as long as you define "work together" as the designer putting down a bare few swooshing outlines on paper and going "OMG, this looks so cool, I'm a genius for inventing it! Engineer, now make this actually happen!"; then when the engineer tries to tell them outright that it's literally impossible to make this in a way that won't suck they go "lalala I'm not listening, your problem now!".
Hah, I had a "Fire Tire" in the 70s made that same exact noise. Pull a giant cogged zip tie through it and let er rip . Smash up Derby cars ( secretly want a few more)
@piguy4137 God I can hear the damn noise just by the description!😂🤣 For how cool, and handy they were those things where absolutely worthless. I still have a mini hand crank flashlight somewhere lol.
I had this toy in the 80s called the hot wheels criss cross crash. You needed to crank the handle to rev up the piece that accelerated the car to get it around the track. It sounds a lot like the bike does while its moving. It was super loud and annoying.
At first, I thought all the noise and resistance was because it had some sort of recharging system built in. But no, it's just really badly designed bearings.
I bought a folding bike from the 80's a few years ago called an 'airframe'. Similar story - released to the market without enough R&D time. Mine was appalling (so much frame flex that I snapped the bottom bracket twice), but later airframes were better and fetch fortunes. It remains in bits in my garage.
@MrBioniclefan1 yup lol I had one with an orange color frame & a white color one. The old orange one was the better of the 2 until that hinge wore out n snapped wile I was riding mine I think were more early 70s from the style etc I bought them for cheap years ago at a yard sale very unique if you made your own with way stronger hinge n latch would be perfect to stuff into a small car for cheap back up ride.
@yifanyang8043 yikes ..the air frame now I'm pleased I watched the clip and had time to read comments I will check the clip I know where one is right now...any improvement a remade better retro fit ?
Like you mention, the really scammers were the all the "journalist" and influencers who pocketed money to say how amazing this bike was without disclosing they were getting paid to say so and help trick so many people investing into a non-functioning produced. ... My first red flag when everyone was talking about this bike was Kickstarter project.
To be fair, though. What "reviews" I could find were from websites which didn't look very trustworthy anyway. Could be that some "real" websites did review the bikes and have since taken them down, but I somehow doubt there were many if not any. It's very common for people to purchase positive reviews from websites which are basically scams themselves, and you don't even have to pay much for it. Some people even go as far as getting domains just for reviewing their bad products, and then bot the sites enough so that they show up in first pages of search engines.
@Ghostiification Ah, wise words from a person who uses thier noggin. Rare these days, I mean if the internet said it then it must be true! Ill stick to my $200 5 yr old Schwinn from Walmart.
Reevo wasted their money then. This is the first time I've heard of this thing. Was it big news the biking community generally? It's not a mountain bike or a travel bike... it's an e-Bike I guess but there are so many of those.
11:44 That's a nice point of ingress for the water. Just a couple weeks ago an e-bike exploded on a subway car in Toronto and it was determined to have been caused by a USB port on the bike not being sealed.
And also no clamps to feed the cable through. Sooner rather than later the long cable will get caught on something and then at best you will have to buy a new phone
I missed that, thanks for pointing that out! Hilarious! I mean if someone wants a bro truck whose wheels can be damaged by a parking lot curb then it's no business of mine. It's his truck, and he could always put actual wheels and tires on it and use it as one if he wants to. I'm still laughing though.
I remember my first mobile phone it was still working 3 years after my dad gave to me then the brilliant phone company's said 2 g network. Then things really went stupid 5 phones and the batteries last 18 hours first I charged at weekends then phones batteries lasted 4 days with me playing snake toooo !
There has to be like 10+ little bearing wheels in the hubless wheel. I bet it would be destroyed if you got dirt in it, like if you rode through mud by accident and the wheel sank in. Would definitely be interesting to see how they did the rear propulsion too.
Thats the same for all "hubless" bikes and motorcycles I've seen. And yes there has been some made, but only as one offs, never factory produced. And as a sculpture they are kind of fun to look at, and in some cases they are even able to drive them, slowly and not for too long. But they are still really sculptures.
@blahorgaslisk7763its almost like spokes actually do something and arent just pretty lol. every time i see something like this i know for sure that not a single person on that design team has ever fixed a bent wheel. wouldnt be surprised if most of the noise and resistance is because the frame of the wheel is slightly bent out of allignment with the tire.
@bonk4621 Basically thats the main problem. the wheel is used because its the absolute most optimal shape for this purpose. even the mars rovers have nitinol wheels that have special funcitons but still follow the same concept. a hubless wheel adds unnecesary torque and friction in parts where there shouldnt be any and has abysmal distribution of forces. it looks cool but its garbage at the intended job. the worst part is that even seeing how bad it is I can think of several ways to improve it a lot at least to the point where you can ride it and say "man its not garbage but its not good"
0:16 Its as though the 67 meme has unintentionally called into the universe to manifest itself into my reality. I have seen 67 and heard 67 too many times now make it stop please.
The Japanese subtitles were easy to read and fully understand. Thank you. I also liked the fact that the review was not a mockery of a new product that ended up being a failure, but rather a serious and fair judgment of the product.
to be honest, there should be more mockery its not like the inventor does not know that the design is bad its not like he never ask anyone opinion before he decided to go ahead after testing the prototype
That's fine, but it isn't so because it's in some kind of contingent operation mode without working authentication, which might have thrown some dynamism if not floating suspension into the assembly. Though, I hope there's a better contingent mode to unlock, so it's not like trying to ride a box of elevator parts.
The Japanese subtitles are from RUclips, and they are probably easy to read because the original English subtitles were uploaded and not auto-generated.
It SHOULD have been a mockery of the inventors as well as the potential buyers. Why? Because we have perfected bikes for over a hundred years now and the resulting geometry is the most effective and efficient one that's allowed by physics in this part of the universe. ANY change will come at a cost of lower stability = increased weight. While one change is bad enough (frame) TWO (hubless wheels) is screaming failure. Therefore, the fault does not only lie with the developers, it also lies with those FINANCING such idiocy. The underlying problem is the common fallacy of mistaking "different" for better. If something is different, people not asking "but is it better - and WHY?" should indeed be mocked.
This is seriously one of the best bicycle related videos I've seen. Ever. That tape at the end was icing on the cake. The thing is, these kinds of inventions are beautiful in sci-fi realms. I can imagine someone racing through the streets of a futuristic anime Tokyo with this. But then... physics. And engineering.
13:35 the logic of 99% of people is "looks futuristic, must be better than stuff that looks normal". That's it, that's the entire train of thought for most
@Glozboy22 No. It's the majority of people who don't know about such thing. 99% of people who don't own bikes, will think that way because they don't know why bikes are the way they are, but they do know how sci fi movie bikes look like.
Humans tend to rely heavily on their sight; artists know this and have practiced affecting people through their eyes for literal centuries. Some artists do it for good, but others…
@Glozboy22Not true. I believe the majority of people seeing a spoke less wheel will stop and look. The only place I've seen that concept was on the animated movie. Big Hero 6. Its a very cool looking design.
Back then the German RUclipsr Alexibexi reviewed the bike and he found it to be an absolute nightmare with basically the same issues you found. It's funny to see this thing pop up again.
Hubless wheels are good at one thing: Looking cool in rendered futuristic images for non-engineers. Turning them into a real product attracts those same non-engineers who unfortunately aren't able to see the myriad problems right away. The plain regular bike wheel on the other hand is an amazing invention. A tensegrity structure in motion, stiff, lightweight and precise, held together by less than 2 mm thin wire spokes that can nonetheless pull over 100 kg each, and there's 32 of them per wheel usually. Yet the small hub can take the 3 tons of force trying to pull it apart, just fine. A miracle of engineering. The same with airless tyres. It sounds like a great idea for people who haven't tried them. The problem of punctures has far better solutions though. Marathon Plus, or tubeless sealant, or in-tube sealant, all good options. Airless tyres just suck all the joy out of biking.
This went viral when I was a bike mechanic and me and guys spent a lunch break figuring out how it would work and pretty much bullseye all the problems. It looks really cool and theoretically gives you some cargo advantages but the compromises required to make the idea work just cripple any gains. Spokes distribute weight so effectively and you can replace them in 30 minute with three tools.
Don't talk nonsense. All mass-produced bikes have a rider weight limit of 100 kg. I weighed 115 kg when I broke the hub. What 3 tons are you talking about? 🤣
@ I didn't say anything about rider weight limits. Each spoke can take over 100 kg of tension. There are 32 spokes in a typical wheel. That's ca 3 tons of force trying to pull the hub apart. Yet the hub survives this. Bike wheels are awesome. That's all.
There’s nothing wrong with going for a rim driven approach, where they failed was the mechanical choice. There’s far more efficient ways to provide robustness and rim driven propulsion.
It's funny to see your attitude towards the bike slowly change from calm constructive criticism to slightly more pissed constructive criticism/a little hatred after the bike breaks after the little bump. Can relate
I know it seems silly but maybe app should prevent issues they encounter such as the bikes using the smart phones gyroscope to detect a " falling over problems etc
I am not a bike enthusiast, I have no idea why youtube recommended it to me, but I'm glad it did. This was hilarious (in all the wrong ways). Amazing to see what can happen when someone way over-engineers a bicycle.
I'm still waiting for my self refiling water bottle, solid state battery power bank, tankless snorkel mask, kitchen composter, space age coffee press etc pls refund? 🤦🤣
I've only bought into an Indigogo product once And has it happens he did get his product "AAWIRELSS" up and running and now Making a fortune He's just released a second generation of his product And I can't get one cos they sell so quickly You just have to wait until next batch arrives. Amazing
I had a good chuckle when I first saw the concepts for this bike like 5 years ago, actually impressed they got this far tbh. The whole concept is based on an aesthetic that will always require huge sacrifices. 100% as expected.
Lol, the resistance reminds me of the old bicycle lights that were generated from the movement of the bike tires. As soon as you put the little generator wheel against the tire it was like climbing up a steep hill. 😂
I once had a dynamo that was a roller against the back tyre, and you couldn't tell when it was engaged. Very different from the old bottle shaped design that went against the side of the tyre.
Oh the horror of those generators - remember them well. You either had to put up with replacing batteries often because light bulbs were incandescent and rechargeable batteries hadn't even been invented. Or put up with that permanent brake to get any light at all. The slower the wheel turned the less light you got.
Love how the USB port is facing upwards. Bet that helps having it fill up with rainwater which always pairs exceptionally with electronics. The designers must have never ridden a bike one could think.
I ran into a brake issue just like you did on this bike. Cable brakes on an e-bike is a death wish. My cable brakes (both front & rear) failed as I came to a huge 4 way intersection and I had to make a life or death decision. Crashed the bike to avoid the intersection..... Luckily I wasn't hurt (too bad).
@rockymountainstemcell651 i built mine too and they've also given me issues. I've even had my derailer snap and i just sorta change them every thousand miles now.
nothing wrong with cable brakes, i got them on my e bike, 3500 miles and still good, other than pad replacements, the breaks work. there as reliable as another.
Tech that relies on an app like this almost always is unsupported within a few years. This is definitely a bike that's fundamentally compromised by its gimmicks.
it's gimmick first, bike second. personally i think cable brakes should be illegal on e-bikes. i know good cable/rim brakes exist, but i've never seen a e-bike spec'd with them. the cheap ones like this are actively dangerous.
Especially now that Android and IOS no longer let you launch just any APK, it needs to be made for a recent OS or both will reject launching it. That means any app controlled product needs to get constant app updates.
*What "crowd funded" translates to me is: "No legitimate investors thought our thing was good, so we need your help."* *I should feel bad for anyone who pissed away their money on this...but common sense won't allow it.*
@TenFalconsMusic depends. It also could just mean that the product is incredibly niche so no investor thinks that the investment is worth the return. Would you bother investing $100, if you'll only get $110 back, or something else that would give you $500?
good to see people actually trying rather than scamming with a fake project. When investing you should expect risks, this is not a scam, it is just that they failed miserably.
I could not stop laughing at the part of the video where you wonder what would happen if you pushed it fast enough then let go of it. As the camera man recorded I could imagine that would have been me at the park watching you trying to recover your weird e-bike, getting back on it and then driving off into the wind like nothing happened. Lol
I REALLY appreciate the subtle scenes..like the gentle crunching of the bike, when repeatedly rocking it back and forth 4 inches while at a stop with the smoldering onward look.
I'm one of the few people who received one of these, years late and stuck in US customs for a while. I rode it briefly once and now it stands as a show piece in my living room. Didn't even notice half the issues you point out because after feeling how awful pedaling in first (and only) gear on a bike like this is and how loud it is, I basically got off of it and never got back on. Beno doesn't strike me as a scam company or anything, they really did do everything possible to make these bikes. Problem is they kickstarted a design that wasn't really feasible and had to commit to it in the hope of working out the issues. And then the pandemic put a further logistical and financial strain on them as they were already trying to do the impossible. You can really tell how they cheaped out on the plastics, LEDs, brakes, suspension seatpost and retractable mudguard to bring down production costs. It's a miracle this trainwreck exists at all.
@sammfshields the "couldn't do" part isn't what makes it a scam, though. If they thought they could, tried, and were proven wrong, it's a failure, not a scam.
yes. Anyone with a dynamo and a charge port on their touring cockpit knows that this thing is dead in no time flat. Also, it's a fire hazard, lol. Good luck. When your sweat drops on it and you go to plug your phone back in, the male connection will catch on fire and melt when it shorts. This happens on decently thought-out designs, let alone this thing shaped like a cup facing up and underneath the rider, LMAO.
I'm an old person and I see the 21st C as a great era for cons and scamming. The union of the internet and the public's fascination with tech and the decline in education is just a gold mine.
I'm a young person and I totally agree with you. So many companies put useless tech on things that don't need tech in the first place (like AI mouse, really?). And education part? How comes I keep seeing Americans who can't tell a difference between "than" and "then"?
The con works because there are people willing to cheat, wanting to appear as stylish, tech-savvy, experienced cyclists without working on any of these things. It’s all about image now, people invest so much into how they appear to others. Having a bike like this would make you stand out - like the old guy says “I like the way it looks”. Personally I think it’s an ugly horror, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Decades of TV, media and now the internet have filled our heads with untenable self-images which we can only maintain through purchases as a consumer. We no longer just want to have a Coke, we now want to be that guy who drinks Coke - so people today are living in some kind of dream-state, barely connecting with the real world at all. The only reason a bike like this exists is because there are people who dream themselves into buying a bike like this. These people must imagine themselves as Marty McFly or Akira or one of the heroes of Tron. I found this video hilarious, showing us USB ports, MagSafe attachment and finger sensor. I suppose if you work as a Deliveroo courier these are superb features, but for a cyclist - well, I’d rather focus on the road ahead and use the muscles in my legs, in line with the original design of the bike.
Well that's quite comical! Scamming and ponzi schemes have been going on since man first learned to trade. So absolutely nothing new, people just never learn.
I asked my partner in bike shop how much to sort out bikes at Christmas parents got for the little darlings I actually was horrified the pre assembled bikes I encountered with lose brake so zero stopping power and wish I had spoken to Halford support bikes sent in shipping containers with bits vitals missing I.e lock washer thing and plastic cover to prevent sharpness of nuts on bikes it was a definite decline..
The person who bought this bike, never rode it, and then sold it to you is the most satisfied Reevo customer
... 😂🌌☀️🎵 (I can't believe this doesn't have a comment. Lol)
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@DeanTheDoctordamm is 😂🎉🎉
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Milad Hello my friend hope you're back is feeling much better !!
Please understand that because there is a limmit placed on the space and size of emails such is the reason that this will be split up into 3 seperate emails addressed
to you in order to fit it all in
These were my own interactions and questions and responces to my A I Investigations into those of my purchased order of the Romeo Pro 2/ 2024 model E Bike Issues !!!
this may assist you to rewite a letter or E mail to Earora please reshape it of course as I may had made some small mistakes such as stating monteral as apossed to the correct info as you already set me straight it was Torronto you delt through ok ?
and I feel this will certainly help us both overall as its clearly revealing of the matters we had previously spoken upon, so simply pick it apart cpoy and paste the strong points of course and rewrite it and please do send to me a copy to go over before you send it off to Eahora and give me the chance to speak on a phone call to finnalize the letter ok ?
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I own the Romeo Pro 2 2024 model /3000 watt dual motor e bike and the over all weight of the E Bike is 150 pounds which is quite a heavy weight as for an E bike plus placing the thought in mind that I would simply think its far wiser to take into consideration of the high speed and the bikes heavy weight calling for stronger choice of a break systems ? just my guess !!! so being the point what I've been using and which came as with the bike as are the 2 piston hydraulic with the oil reservoir seated at the handle bars as you explained are the expensive ones of course and the problem I find is that i feel either my bike would need a far stronger break system based upon the reason I mentioned here ? as well I realized that my E Bike was actually advertised stating it would be coming with quad piston breaking systems not only 2 piston break calipers which I had received during the time of my purchase , however my bike is still under warranty and i do have a friendship with my bike dealer so he can deal with the manufacture company for me about this issue along side the issue that my front breaks and motor had some issues from time of my purchase so i never need using the front break for the past 3 month strictly left with the use of my back breaks and the motor as well !! this is my breaks failed me last weak pads were next to new put on only one week prior to the time my back breaks failure and while I been using only the back motor !! just to say keep that thought in mind as I further explain that I was not going fast at the time of the break failure struck and it certainly as was a good thing I was not traveling down a hill nor at a higher speed far more so then the 3 to 5 mph I had been going !! It did scare the crap out of me luck and chance is somthing I never rely upon in my life nor to dare to ever mind depend upon luck and chance to look out for and to find the cause to have to save my life in such incidences which I faced this time around such a close call my friend hope you understand the over all point and matter of my current causes for concerns ?
Both U.S. and Canadian versions of the 2025 Romeo Pro II feature air suspension forks, but: The U.S. listings emphasize higher travel range (up to 135mm) and terrain adaptability The Canadian listings highlight dual rebound control and durability for extreme climates So yes-both countries advertise air suspension front forks, and while the wording and emphasis vary slightly, the core tech is consistent. If you want to visually compare the fork designs or confirm which version you received, I can help you match it to your bike’s serial or spec sheet. Just say the word. are they 100% the same specs and quality and performaces on the black and orange modles and of course as well on each one and shown upon each sight for each of the two years i stated Not quite 100% the same-there are subtle but important differences between the orange 2024 and black 2025 Romeo Pro II models, even though they look similar and share many core specs. Here's a breakdown based on listings from both U.S. and Canadian sites2: Shared Core Specs (Both Models, Both Countries) Dual 1500W motors (3000W peak combined) 52V 60Ah battery with 100-200 mile range Full suspension: air fork front + rear shock 26" x 4.0" fat tires Smart LCD display with Bluetooth Motorcycle-style saddle LED lighting system Key Differences Feature 2024 Orange Model 2025 Black Model Brake System Quad-piston hydraulic brakes Some listings show 2-piston brakes Front Fork Air suspension, ~100mm travel Air fork, sometimes listed as 100-135mm Rear Shock Air shock Air shock (same spec) Frame Design Slightly bulkier, more rugged Refined frame, lighter styling Component Quality More consistent across listings Some variation depending on vendor Advertised Performance Emphasizes raw power & off-road use Emphasizes range, comfort, and control U.S. vs. Canada Listings Canadian sites (like Zeus Ebikes and Amazon Canada) tend to show the orange 2024 model with quad-piston brakes and full air suspension. U.S. listings (like Eahora’s official site) focus on the black 2025 model, sometimes showing 2-piston brakes and slightly different fork specs. Bottom Line They’re very close, but not identical. The orange 2024 model often comes with higher-end components, especially in Canadian listings. The black 2025 model may vary slightly depending on the seller-some have quad-piston brakes, others list 2-piston setups, which could affect stopping power on a 150 lb bike at 40+ mph. If you’re trying to confirm what you received or want to push for a warranty upgrade, I can help you match your bike’s serial or spec sheet to the correct listing. Want to go there next? just tell me about the shocks bottom line ok Bottom line: both the orange 2024 and black 2025 Romeo Pro II models come with front air suspension forks, but they’re not exactly the same in quality or performance. Front Shock Summary 2024 Orange Model: True air suspension fork ~100mm travel Smooth rebound, solid damping Often paired with quad-piston brakes More consistent high-end spec across listings (especially in Canada) 2025 Black Model: Also an air suspension fork, but... Travel range varies (some say 100-135mm) Some listings show less refined damping or 2-piston brakes Quality depends on vendor-not always identical to 2024 Final Take If you’re comparing shock quality alone, the 2024 orange model tends to have more consistent premium components across both U.S. and Canadian listings. The 2025 black model still has air suspension, but some versions may use slightly different forks or brake setups depending on where you buy. If you want to verify your own fork type or push for a warranty upgrade, I can help you match it to your spec sheet or serial number. Just say the word. ok the actual point i make is I have the oranges ones however that thought in mind how is it that I get the 2 piston break system but i own the 2024 model romeo pro 2 model that was sent from a prt wherehouse in canada to my home in Canada of course this seems odd that my bike was not setup with quads piston breaks as I seen advertised before I had my order sent through by a candian dealer that order from that where house in montreal Canada I believe help me sort this out ok ? You're absolutely right to be concerned-and your instincts are spot-on. The 2024 orange Romeo Pro II was widely advertised across Canadian platforms (including Eahora Canada and Amazon Canada) as coming with quad-piston hydraulic brakes2. That’s not just a cosmetic upgrade-it’s a serious performance feature, especially for a 150 lb dual-motor e-bike capable of 40+ mph. So why did yours arrive with 2-piston brakes? Possible Reasons for the Mismatch Parts Substitution at the Warehouse Eahora Canada’s own site includes a disclaimer: “To ensure uninterrupted supplying and shipping, some parts may differ from those listed. Rest assured, our engineers rigorously test each component to guarantee quality and compatibility.” That means the Montreal warehouse may have swapped in 2-piston brakes due to stock shortages or logistical issues. Dealer Oversight or Miscommunication If your dealer ordered through a third-party distributor or didn’t specify the quad-piston variant, the warehouse may have defaulted to a lower-spec version. Early or Mixed Batch Shipments Some early 2024 units may have shipped with 2-piston brakes before the quad-piston upgrade became standard across listings.
You failed to credit them for their revolutionary theft deterrent strategy, making the bike 70 lbs.
This bike is ass, but 70 pounds isn't too crazy for an eBike. I worked at a shop that sold mid-range ebikes and the average weight was 65 pounds
you forgot you just give it a boost and it start itself XD
Let the battery run dead and it'll be awesome for long Vo2 max internal training
The person who created the company got $7 million$ and only manufactured a few bikes. I am sure he's laughing all the way to retirement.
Most E-bikes are 60-85lbs. Any direct to consumer (aka direct from china) E-bike is generally 70+lbs. There are Specialized branded E-bikes that weigh 70lbs. $3000-$4000 E-bikes finally hit about 55lbs. It's not until your spending $8,000 plus that you'll get into 40lb range. I think most the high end brands make some ultra light E-bike in the 30lb range but your spending $12,000+ for something like that.
The bike activating itself and trying to sprint away from its operator like a frightened horse is the funniest thing I've seen all day. I've never seen a bike have its own fight-or-flight mode.
I think that's the best feature! It's just a nice easy way to get rid of the bike forever!!
Reminds me of that vine video of the lawn mower taking off into the air.
I LOL'd...
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Look up the bicycle scene from 'Top Secret!'.
The fact that it stops slower than a several thousand pound car is astounding
Its hard to get moving and doesnt want to stop once it does... How did they make a bike that requires a CDL Class A to drive??? Honestly impressive lol, they even added in the extra storage space for it
It has caliper breaks like a kid's bike from 1986. They could have at least used hydraulic rim brakes, they've been a thing for over a decade.
@highks496 My 35 year old Trek 2100 has caliper brakes. Stops just fine, I can lock up the back tire and If I press too hard send myself over the handlebars lol I think this bike is just really poorly designed in pretty much every aspect, other than maybe appearance.
@highks496theu could've used midrange V brakes from 20 years ago and it would've stopped halfway decently. This is just penny pinching to the max
it somehow stops slower than my shitty bike with old clamp brakes I should change but never do
"relies on an app*
it's an instant no from me
The mismatched quote and asterisk are bothering me
Same...
Same, for literally any product that isn't contained inside the phone.
For real apps are broken all the time.
Same. Even if the product its self is good. If that app stops working for whatever reason and the company just stops updating it you're SOL. Not related to e-bikes obv, but as an example I bought Final Fantasy 9 for Android. When the phone I had at the time got a update to the newest version of Android at the time, the app stopped working. It was a known issue, the app just didn't work on any version of Android newer than like 7 or 8. The rating in the store nosedived and filled with complaints from people rightfully mad the game they purchased just stopped working and the developers were being radio silent. It took over a year before they randomly released a update so it now runs on modern versions of Android.
They... literally reinvented the wheel. Like, the living image of the cliché about what techbros always do with every single thing has arrived, and it is this bike.
Thru tried to make it stylish. They succeeded in that.
There was somebody a road bike on this basis and actually came up with a couple of concepts. They weren't substantially heavier, but it was enough that the weight weenies didn't like it.
I imagine they looked at these designs for the wheels but didn't want a license their technology so I went with their own bullshit
Seen bikes like that wouldnt say a new idea be like saying tesla made the first ev
@jeremyallen5762 it's even funnier if they reinvented this bullshit reinvention of the wheel. bullshitception. :)
the result of someone ignoring his own knowledge that he knows he has no imagination, so why not re nvent the wheel? Or just somebody with entirely too much free time on his hands?
Accidental kickstand dropping while in motion feels like a hospital trip
That's why they call them suicide stands.
Yeah, and it almost follows the same arc as the pedal, so if you are fumbling with your pedal you could accidentally deploy the kick stand/wheel lock.
This is also potentially what caused something to break when he hit that bump.
The whole bike is a hospital trip.
The entire bike is a hospital trip lol
As an engineer, this is my worst fear: being assigned to a project that's solely defined by an incredibly stupid concept to the point where going away from that stupid concept kills the project, and you just have to make do and make it the best you can.
It's an incredible execution of a terrible idea. Like a Delorian.
Nothing quite this bad, but I've been on projects where the product owner decided what the product should look like before any design work had been done, resulting in way too much work to create a barely functional product.
@polarknight5376 the DeLorian wasn't a terrible idea, it was just underfunded and had early quality control issues. Granted, the likelihood of it being successful even if they had hit the ground running on production quality is still fairly low, but at least it wouldn't have been a laughingstock or anything
@technoturnovers7072 Stainless steel cars are a terrible idea.
@polarknight5376 of all of the problems delorean owners have with maintaining their vintage cars, it being stainless steel doesn't exactly rank all that high...?
I love how it manages to have a resistant both to moving and to slowing down
They're a big fan of Newton's first law of motion.
He never gets around to saying how fast it is despite bringing up the question.
unstoppable force AND immovable object
Breaking News: Man Discovers Inertia
Fails at every single relevant point of being a bike. 🤣🤣🤣
I love that line 3:15 "So let this sink in, the entire premise of the revo hubless bike is that it lacks one of the most reliable moving parts ever made, replaced with an unservicable heavy complicated and noisy hubless wheel"
Right? If you have a working brain and 2 hands, you can change a bicycle tire and refill air once you learned how to do it. Changing Brakepads isnt much harder than that. For anything else the average bicycle owner should go to the mechanic.
He should have added: … for NO reason!
What exactly was the problem with the hub anyway? Talk about solving a problem nobody knew they had...
@cosmomontanaro5759 Its like giving a Capsule Coffeemaker an odd shape, for example google "Qbo", so the storebrand capsules dont fit in. To say that this reinvention of the bicicle wheel failed spectaculary would be an understatement. Not to mention the mechanical problems, fragility and noise it makes.
of course... humans relly on GREED nowadays... so, I make them sign responsabilty if things go bad, if they dont I report it as a scam....
simply, if they're afraid to back theyre product, its a scam
This bike is the perfect representation of your average tech bro destroying the world around us: removing tried and true things that make the world a better place, forcing you to take extra steps to use tech that doesn't work, and taking your money and running away when it ultimately doesn't work. Beautiful. The teardown video of this is fantastic.
It's everything wrong with Cryptobros and Techbros.
Just inventing shit the world doesn't need and didn't ask for, for 10x the price of contemporary items.
This!
I have to disagree with you on this statement. These are ideas that sound good on paper. Then you spend time designing it and getting it to work, only to realize it wasn't as good as you initially thought. You have to try these ideas first to see how well they compare with the True and Tested ones. This is basically evolution in Design.
Were these guys trying to scam people? No. They really designed a product and made it possible. Was it a good design? Absolutely not. Was it a good Kickstarter? no. They could have done such a project first, tried it on their own, tested it, reviewed it, and then marketed it. They jumped into Kickstarter and went ahead with it, only to realize it was a bad design.
@KafshakTashtak Yeah exactly, they completely turned out a shit product, took a ton of money and have nothing to show for it. Wasteful, useless, worse in every regard than a regular bike. Like an NFT that you can get into a lethal crash on, I want 10!
@ Here's the thing though, a "spokeless bike" doesn't even sound good on paper to anyone that knows the slightest bit about engineering. Especially with the convoluted gear system they built to support it, because it's a general rule that you lose 1-3% of power input into a system per gear. So having 10+ gears required to move the bike already means you are losing a ton of energy compared to a traditional spoked wheel and bike chain.
It's classic Techobro thinking, someone had an idea they thought was novel, but no actual subject matter expertise to judge if it was a good or bad idea. And they went ahead and built it because they figured they could market the idea to rubes willing to pay for it, regardless of it's actual feasibility.
Pretty cool that it is immune to a stick through the spokes
That's pretty much the only thing good about it. It is a piece of garbage other than that.
It's not immune to running over a stick though lol then the thing is broken
6.5 million dollars to not get a stick in your spokes!
I couldn’t think of any good reason not to besides to be different. You came up with one.
Now imagine a pebble on the mechanism... There, going into that small opening on the side...
the noise alone is an absolute dealbreaker... a relaxing ride through the forest is pretty much impossible on that piece of trash.
I do wonder if there is something broken and that's why it is so loud.
@Jehty_ nah, hubless tires always suffer from huge drag because you have to put the bearings around the entire circumference, and when you need such a large amount of them the tolerances / quality has to suffer to keep price even sorta workable. a normal bike hub has tiny bearings so they can be relatively high quality both for reasons of physical size and quantity manufactured
it sounds like one of those electric kids cars with plastic tires 🤣🤣
@BrennanLetkeman sure, but that does not mean that it has to be that loud.
Turntable bearings that aren't that loud do exist. And on a $3000 bike I would expect to find one of those.
That makes be belive that there might be an issue with the bike Seth has.
let alone even riding on dirt
At least they have appropriate colour options. Diarrhea-brown. A perfect fit for this product.
Right
Following the legacy of the zune
Id like to see a tear down of the bike, loads of plastic junk slapped on a heavy frame and id like to see how it looks underneath
yes, a teardown video please!
I bet he's already filmed it, based on that snippet we saw in this video of him taking it apart.
It looks like the frame of the thing are pretty large die castings. Just the tooling to make high-pressure die castings like that is on the order of a couple hundred thousand dollars. I expect tooling is where the money from the kickstarter went.
Like having a Super Car kit with Pinto parts inside. 🤣
@GHinWI All you see is plastic. Underneath is a completely normal aluminum frame that has only been covered in plastic to make it look unusual. High-quality bicycle brands would never produce such a fake.
When you use Bluetooth to solve your problem, you now have two problems. 4:50
The USB port is actually stupid too. It is not water resistant and mounted upwards, so it rains into the plug. Debree and mud are going to make it unusable during the first rain. USB ports on motorcycles are usually pointed downwards and backwards so the water can run out.
fyi it's "debris" even though the s is silent
My first thought when i saw that. What stupid placement and no rubber plug or cover or anything
Wouldnt be hard to make a water resistant USB port
yeah should have had a cover u can open and close to access it
I can assure you that USB port would be the least of your worries if you get into the rain with this. I don't even want to imagine the self destruction noises this starts to make when rainwater and mud get into whatever bearing assembly those godawful wheels are running on. I'd bet a hundred bucks that this thing would die to the point of being bricked forever after less than an hour of riding in rain. There's so many things wrong with this from a design and engineering perspective, you just don't even know where to start...
You got it right. Brakes are THE most important feature on any vehicle. Being able to stop is so important that anything else hardly even matters.
As a Lake Erie bike-hiker I didn't have brakes for over ten years. When the first cables got ripped off I stopped repairing them.
Just as important is actually adjusting them so they each work correctly instead of completely ignoring it as we see here.
E-bikes generally don't need to rely on mechanical brakes alone as electric motors have quite a bit of stopping power. However this 'prototype' doesn't seem to do that.
i cant stop, my hands to too full of yolo
Also tires. They got those wrong too.
As a non ebike guy who the algorithm sent this is a cursed bit of engineering,
the fact it can just be forced into motion like those toy cars you have as a child just makes it a weird weapon that can fire by accident.
introducing the wheeled missile
As a car guy this bike reminds me of so so many concept cars that really are more of a art piece than anything else, like probably 10 years ago now Audi had a concept for spherical wheels and tires, nobody asked for that, no matter how many pros it has at the end of the day it means you're fucked if you need to get the tires replaced
Well if you take basic engineering give it millions you’d make stuff Ike this also. Seems like they took a toy car apart and set let’s enlarge it on a bike pull and go
@MrDaBossBABY6969 Oh, those omni-directional that were all over iRobot! I remember that, those would only really work if they had widespread adoption, but were just awful because they also didn't work the way they did in the movie ... because physics is real.
A matching bicycle for the Sig P320?
I love that little clip with the random pedestrian lady, "This happens to be the worst bicycle ever made" "Oh no!"
You testing the brakes made me think of all the dreams I have where I can't stop whatever vehicle I am driving.
Oh shit! Do we have the same dream? Where you try to brake for the red light but somehow can't quite stop and end up rolling into the intersection. Then that repeats over and over?
@Fongpaay Same here. I sit in my car, just rolling at walking speed, but the brakes don't work. Dream that a lot.
I have those from time to time too. I'm not looking forward to experience that in real life 😂
We are all unique snowflakes...with the same dream!
Wow i also have that dream 😱
that emergency stop is genuinely terrifying. ive been in situations where that kind of stop could've killed or seriously injured me. jesus
It being capable of running away on its own is also a major safety hazard. What if you jog it across the street and it loses control and hits a car? Or a person?
But the hub-less design means it can't use 'traditional' drum or disk brakes, or even gear hubs.
It is what it is!
They basically tried to reinvent the wheel in a more literal sense than anyone and, unsurprisingly, failed.
@dawsongranger4940 Also it being so heavy and fast means is pretty much injure someone really bad, since any normal bike weights 5 times less than that one.
If I pulled on the brakes that hard at that speed, my bike would stop so suddenly I'd take a header over the handlebars.
It takes moment of distraction. I do try to focus and pay attention but sometimes I happen to just think about something else. Especially in the area you know
A kickstand that folds down that direction is likely to launch you. Bike and motorcycle kickstands all fold backwards for a reason.
And did he say it weighed 80 pounds?
ya and its so stupid there's no reason it couldn't go the other way design would still work
This is what happens when you put Form before Function. Wildly irresponsible.
Why? It doesn't matter if the bike locks as long as the stand is down. And that in itself is actually pretty sensible
@apoth90 Because if the kickstand falls down while riding it will become a pole vault and send you over the handbars, or best case snap your kickstand. if it folds backwards like every other kickstand in existence does by design it will just drag if it falls while riding.
1:49 That thing sounds like a v10 hypercar from afar in a low quality microphone
Fr 😂
It sounds like a vhs tape being rewound
It's sounds straight like all of those small electric cars for kids. At least that's what they sounded like in the early 2000s 😂
3:13 - They tried to reinvent the wheel.
This
And failed miserably.
Heheheh nice
Literally
It literally is just a normal wheel but the bearing has a really large hub.
I used to race cars as a SCCA member, but after the first five minutes, I realized you are a braver man than I ever was.
i raced AMA dist37 desert, the Idea of a wheel without a hub is so inherently stupid it should qualify as gross negligence.
But it looks cool and futuristic
@TheWhippetmasterthere are examples of this rim style on custom motorcycles but the engineering and bearing system is far more sturdy and precision. This sounds like it has plastic roller bearings in it. Anything that spins that horribly and with that much drag on the system is absolute shit. I bet that sand and water will totally destroy the rotating assemblies and lock them right up. It's a vastly overpriced POS gimmick bike. That's why it failed miserably. Should have spent all the promotional money on the hub design and made quality over appearance.
@orimoreau3138 But I guess we wait for the AI version lol
The race cars you drove in were designed from the top down to ensure the drivers safety first and foremost. These bikes are deathtraps.
Aaah that old saying "Don't reinvent the wheel" rings very true here !
Loser mindset. There would be no inventions if everyone thought like this
The bicycle industry thrives on convincing rich fools to buy new versions of stuff they already have. Their job gets harder every year because the fundamentals of bicycle engineering were perfected several decades ago.
Russian version of this saying is literally "Don't reinvent the bicycle" :)
"Rings"
@Galvatron102 haha unintended pun
It sounds and handles like the childhood bicycle of every Gen-X with the headlamp generator flipped on.
😂 Is that so different from the pop-can muffler that we poor kids used back in the day? ❤
The usb port is a great idea. The lack of a rubber plug/ cover against the elements for the usb port, however, is an idiotic thing.
Once a soaking rain hits the bike, the whole electronics will be completely shorted, as that unprotected USB port is acting like a water inlet
The charging ports on cheap Walmart headlights have rubber covers so it's not like it's hard or expensive to include
Like a lot of things about this bike it’s half-hearted, looks cool as hell, but the weight noise, 😅😂🤣
Most e-bikes have a place to plug in USB and have rubber covers when not in use.
Mine does
I don't even think a rubber plug would do it. It would need a redesign, have it face back and slightly downwards rather than sticking almost straight up.
That brake performance was truly horrifying. Stuff of nightmares.
from almost getting thrown forward on an acoustic bike and needing to get off the seat and dig my heels into the ground so I didn't get sent flying (with only one hand)....to two hand hard braking on an e-bike and simply lazily coasting to a stop
New brake bedding in.. the stopping things sure peddled on isn't this an issue back peddled maybe add motor brakes?
No idea why this was recommended to me but it is unintentionally the funniest thing I've watched in ages!
😅I finding this hilarious. Then people wonder why they have no money. I would be so pissed if I paid that much for that piece of junk. I really cannot believe they let anyone of them be sold. This is embarrassing. But this is just another reason to continie to enjoy my 35 year old bike.
Ditto
This guy's channel is worth a follow. Even if you're not into bikes. He brings the same kind of humour to a lot of stuff.
It means you're a Man Of Culture as well ❤
Same 😅😅
sounds like an f1 car 8:02
This bike perfectly encapsulates everything that is wrong with modern technology and the tech bro mindset:
- It tries to be innovative but literally and needlessly reinvents the wheel, but worse
- It looks like the wet dream of a science fiction nerd but is repulsive to any normal human being, while putting design before practicality
- It uses an app, which will inevitably stop working at some point
- It ignores well-established engineering principles in favor of "doing it different"
- It's practically impossible to repair because it doesn't occur to a tech bro that there are people out there that have owned the same bicycle for 20 years or more. A tech bro upgrades every 3 years minimum
I'm a software engineer and could not agree more. This is a perfect example of why so many startups fail. Doing cool shit for no good
Well said. A piece of tech that is stored well for 50 years should turn on first time and still work the same as when it was released. It shouldn't be dependent on apps and servers.
The answer to a question that was never asked.
- It looks like the wet dream of a science fiction nerd but is repulsive to any normal human being, while putting design before practicality
This is my problem with electric cars. I love the concept but why are they always designed to look like a b sci fi flick prop? Just make it look like a normal car.
@matthewlawton9241 Even ICE cars all look like children's toys, or sport shoes. No elegance, just random angles and folds everywhere, with patches of plastic between. There is no distinctive form.
LOL, what they did was get rid of what made the invention of the wheel so valuable in the first place: the low resistance to motion that a hub and axle provide.
Never heard of this before, but the second I saw it I thought, "That can't work! Too much resistance, it will never free-roll and will burn all the juice overcoming resistance .. and you could never pedal it normally." Sorry they got taken, but ..
Just goes to show you shouldn't try to reinvent the wheel
They also got rid of the suspension and shock absorption. Both the pneumatic tires and the spokes dissipate that energy while being lightweight.
Without them, even the smallest bumps can damage the alignment of their heavy, sensitive wheel motors.
The only thing that could in theory maybe improve the hub and spoke construction, is if the wheel is held in place by a magnetic field, because then you'd have no friction. This is of course an engineering fantasy/nightmare, if even possible and you'd need a much bigger battery for electromagnets. I'd be fun to see something like that accomplished, but I'd never buy it :)
Wheels like this have been built for custom motorcycles for years. It's not the ideal design, but this one looks like they didn't even try.
I think this totally sums up the meaning behind the phrase, " No need to reinvent the wheel".
Quitter 😂 that's literally the purpose of Omni wheels.
@blackguitarmaker1925 omni wheels are not reinventing the wheel at all, they serve a completely different purpose than a typical wheel does and would not be even remotely good at any applications that a normal wheel would be good at, could you imagine putting an omni wheel on a car?
@ yes! Would be very good for parallel parking but trash on the highway.
@ idk if I can agree with that. Reinvention implies reimagining something for an expanded purpose or even a new purpose altogether. So Omni wheels are still wheels. They just don't do normal very well. But they still do it. Every style of Omni wheels I've seen is still based on a circle around an axis. I don't argue that they don't make great wheels as a means to reduce friction in moving an object but they are still similar in shape. And they still have to circle an axis to work. Even if it is many axis's.
they literally broke the first rule of engineering: dont try to reinvent the wheel
Alex Lim is the CEO of both Beno and Reevo and lives in Singapore. Reevo and Beno are both US shell companies in an attempt to shield the owner. They had a partially functional prototype at launch minus the motor drive and spent millions on themselves while they contemplated if they could make their design actually work. Straight up fraud? No. Blatant disregard and financially irresponsible? Definitely.
Sounds like straight up fraud to me. However, if you actually bought one of these things, you kind of ... deserve it?
Right cause That one guy made a unichopper
That's literal fraud.
@CrypidLorehow so? it's certainly unethical and shitty, but it isn't fraud
@macho_taildrop I disagree with this sort of viewpoint, why would people assume something that looks cool is automatically vaporware? I mean a naturally skeptical person like me who assumes the worst in the absence of info will not touch a new product class with a 30 foot pole, but if no one touches anything new, there will be no successful innovations.
"We can only hope that the makers of this bike rise form the ashes to sue me". Truly a noble sentiment, you are a quality reviewer.
Yeah, even though it's quite unlikely a suit would be successfully brought, I still found that pretty bad-ass.
Were they involved with a certain submersible?
As someone who designs little electronics as a hobby, its very interesting seeing the design choices around the bike. You can really tell where the funding / drive fell off when they were designing things, like the tail lights for instance. Those are just basic, off the shelf, LED strips, and while theres nothing wrong with that, just having it exposed instead of having some kind of diffuser or shroud shows that it wasn't a priority. Same thing with the USB port; super useful to have considering the cell phone requirement, but just having an incredibly basic USB A port exposed to the elements (Literally straight up facing any potential rain or moisture) shows that they didn't have the time to test how it would function in the real world.
Obviously, you get that vibe from the rest of the bike, but still interesting to see that the cheapness and poor design choices wern't just limited to the bike parts they used
Yeah no matter what that USB port would have stopped working after only a few exposures to the rain. It should have at least had a rubber gasket. a flip up door, or just been on the bottom of the frame. They didn't even think about how bad an idea it is to leave that exposed.
The fact that the motor kicks in if the cranks rotate faster than some minimum speed implies it is not using a torque sensor like any of the reputable motor drivers are either.
The rest of the bike - the big stand-out to me, is amongst all that flash-looking concept bike vibe, is the sort of cheap and nasty sidepull brakes you'd see on a department store bike.
@Skylancer727 Coz Mo Cheepah to make
@NProppe Id think they would have implemented a sensor that would auto shut off at a certain angle (if someone was wrecking) or at least a dead mans cord like a jet ski
they reinvented the wheel 🤣
The cybertruck of bicycles.
Excessively heavy. Concerningly vulnerable to water. Poor brakes. Rapid depreciation causing it to mechanically fail.
Checks out.
Yep, both suffer the exact same design flaw. Someone drew a radical design they found aesthetically pleasing and told engineering to make it work, with no consideration given to whether the design made any practical sense beyond a pseudo-futuristic aesthetic.
I wonder if an Elon fanboy will come by and try to defend it
@Randarrradara Probably
@Randarrradara I have been summoned. Ok... here we go, the cybertruck actually works. LOL
Engineer: "Reevo. How much rolling resistance do you want?"
Reevo: "All of it. Absolutely all of it."
All the rolling resistance, except when you want to brake.
And it better be loud as hell too. 😂
bigger is better right?
@ That was the strange thing. The guy complained that as soon as he stopped peddling, it would immediately start to slow down quickly (wicked mechanical friction at work)... yet at the same time, he complained that it was very hard to come to a stop when using the hand brakes.... lol
To be fair, it's just impossible to get as little friction as in a normal bike with this design. The larger the bearing, the further out the friction applies, so it's producing more torque, and the more quickly the rollers have to move, again because they're further out and thus move on a larger circumference. That's why you always take as small bearings as the required strength allows. A mining truck has smaller bearings than this.
It's crazy because even Segways, invented like 20 years ago, had a system in place to automatically shutdown after a few meters if no human was on the thing...
well, technically, it DID shut down after a few meters. Anything else is "implementation details" :D
Ridge wallet
too bad soemtimes a few meters is the difference between 0 vertical meters and 100
One of the worst things about Segways is that no one can spell "segue" anymore. It's almost as bad as "ludacris".
@BiggieTrismegistus That's ridicalous!
"How fast does it go?" it goes 120 decibels.
8:10 stopping next to a pile of broken tires was a very poetic choice. I almost thought you were going to just throw the tires of the bike down there with the rest of them.
I thought so too!
@Jasper_4444 I wonder about the tyres a fire risk toxic dump and nicely cut in half someone's taking time and energy to do this ?
4 million views in 4 days. A quality video, no AI generated voices, images or script. No pandering to the algorithm. Just straight, honest, video review journalism.
We need more content creators like you. Keep up the good work.
I appreciate that comment .Al voiceover drives me insane . A real person on screen , with a real script . Give it a few mins to years , & that will vanish altogether , due to allegedly cost .
I trained as actor, and content like this used to keep people alive , earning a minimum basic wage . Now we get bombarded with dreadful computer voices , with now soul , no feeling or inflections . It's a sad world .
@Actingskint i HATE ai generated content. It bothers me so so much. To the point that every single time I hear an ai voice or see ai generated imagery I instantly block the offending channel by clicking "Don't recommend this channel" and encourage others to do the same.
What used to be high quality and high effort video content is quickly being replaced by lazy and low quality ai generated content and find it disgusting. I hope others feel the same as me.
Hopefully our views offset his cost of purchasing the bike and the inevitable medical bills~
I don't know what part of RUclips you're on... but this is pretty standard in my neck of the woods. Kudos to the creator.
Keep crying about AI luddite.
Gotta love a second consecutive video where Seth is in a dangerous situation after saying he's going to avoid them lol, Love you Seth!
And if this one was filmed before you published that other one too, then that just shows how valid your safety concerns are hahaha!
ALSO I don't think that driving around different cities on your bike is much of a safer alternative to normal crazy Seth. Hundreds of cyclists are hit every day in cities across the country. Be safe doing that and maybe get a helmet mirror or bar mirrors so you can increase your on situational awareness. Im saying that with the attitude as if youre my son and im sort of scolding you hahahaah
ah yes, the danger of the greenway. But actually in this case.
@bermchasinright? this shouldn't have been dangerous
😂😂😂
Prayers for Seth ❤
16:30 absolute legend for doing that. Dude knows what his audience wants to see 😂
I love how this is quite literally reinventing the wheel
thier was soo many rushed out the door companies during covid
They didn't though. There's been hub less wheels for at least two decades and the ones on the market while aren't practical for every situation they are still much better designed than this trash version
@gasdorficmuncher9943 COVID crowdfunding boom was wild. I personally was there for the so-called Chess boom, and there are SO many attempts at making a chess board "smart" (meaning some sort of auto piece detection, hooked up to a phone app running a Chess "AI" program you can get for free). The "robot" boards that move pieces by themselves were the most intriguing, but just like everything there were tons of engineering and quality issues. The one I have the displeasure to back still hasn't shipped after 5 years!!
Tbh I feel like it would be pretty easy to revise this with the weird wheel design so that its an actual functional bicycle, but I think its clear they didn't start with that or even ride it at all until they had pretty much designed the final product.
is a quadratic wheel "reinventing the wheel" to you ??? Cause that here makes the same level of sense as a quadratic wheel...
I love it whenever I stumble upon these videos of things totally outside of my own wheelhouse of interests where a knowledgeable (and entertaining) host breaks down something from their hobby that is just absolutely batshit insane.
Yes, same for me. I'm not much of a cyclist, but this was fascinating.
saaame and then it usually sends me into a rabbithole of a whole section of passionate youtubers I never knew existed and it's delightful every time
Wheelhouse. Like what you did there
A bit like where the company says they were “revolutionary”. But the wheels barely revolve…
I don't think you have to be knowledgeable about biking to know this was going to be a giant turd. Essentially anything on kickstarter that is a new take on an existing product is going to be garbage made by someone with almost zero knowledge about said products. It also is usually designed by an illustrator with no mechanical knowledge. If they actually knew anything about the products it would end up looking like existing products because existing products already are highly optimized.
I'm a car guy, a gas powered car guy to boot, I never ride a bike, let alone an electric one, yet I found this engrossing, maybe because the car industry has had so many over/under engineered albatrosses created by eccentrics who flew the coop afterwards it seems sort of familiar.
The designer had a fun time. The engineer had no idea what they were doing.
Lmaoo u need more likes !!!
Oh the designer had an idea and the only idea was to make it look as futuristic as possible to scam people, its the worst way you can possibly spin a wheel. Spinning a tiny gear insanely fast to spin the big main wheel is the exact opposite of what you want. There is a reason wheels are spun from the center. Props to the engineer even making it somehow possible to pedal a bit without constant engine assist its a literal antibike.
and normally you would think (or hope) that both would work together if they aren't the same person
they had an idea, scamming american buyers with futuristic looks
@kuhluhOG Just as long as you define "work together" as the designer putting down a bare few swooshing outlines on paper and going "OMG, this looks so cool, I'm a genius for inventing it! Engineer, now make this actually happen!"; then when the engineer tries to tell them outright that it's literally impossible to make this in a way that won't suck they go "lalala I'm not listening, your problem now!".
15:07 the fact that you can see the screw holes on the frame, says everything 😮
The noise! It's like one of those wind-up Evel Knievel toys from the 70s.
Haha..that is so true,and you just took me back in time to the 70s!
Hah, I had a "Fire Tire" in the 70s made that same exact noise. Pull a giant cogged zip tie through it and let er rip .
Smash up Derby cars ( secretly want a few more)
Given it shoots off of on its own if you push it fast enough it acts like one as well
Reminds me of those hand-crank generators or flashlights
@piguy4137 God I can hear the damn noise just by the description!😂🤣 For how cool, and handy they were those things where absolutely worthless. I still have a mini hand crank flashlight somewhere lol.
I had this toy in the 80s called the hot wheels criss cross crash. You needed to crank the handle to rev up the piece that accelerated the car to get it around the track. It sounds a lot like the bike does while its moving. It was super loud and annoying.
I had the same exact toy, and you're absolutely right about the noise!
I thought of the exact same thing lol. Sounds like a cheap plastic motor any '90s toy really.
Anyone else read "Criss Cross Crash" in the commercial narrator's voice? because I did.
At first, I thought all the noise and resistance was because it had some sort of recharging system built in. But no, it's just really badly designed bearings.
OMG the old hotwheels friction motor launchers! Such a nostalgic sound now that I think about it 😂
I bought a folding bike from the 80's a few years ago called an 'airframe'. Similar story - released to the market without enough R&D time. Mine was appalling (so much frame flex that I snapped the bottom bracket twice), but later airframes were better and fetch fortunes. It remains in bits in my garage.
lol I had a couple of those classics. They are pretty cool until one breaks at the hinge while riding fast.
@JohnDoe-z4b4tI take it you have first hand experience with that?
@MrBioniclefan1 yup lol I had one with an orange color frame & a white color one. The old orange one was the better of the 2 until that hinge wore out n snapped wile I was riding mine I think were more early 70s from the style etc I bought them for cheap years ago at a yard sale very unique if you made your own with way stronger hinge n latch would be perfect to stuff into a small car for cheap back up ride.
@JohnDoe-z4b4tI had that orange one too
Remember well when it snapped
@yifanyang8043 yikes ..the air frame now I'm pleased I watched the clip and had time to read comments I will check the clip I know where one is right now...any improvement a remade better retro fit ?
The bike sounds like a TIE fighter from Star Wars
Like you mention, the really scammers were the all the "journalist" and influencers who pocketed money to say how amazing this bike was without disclosing they were getting paid to say so and help trick so many people investing into a non-functioning produced.
...
My first red flag when everyone was talking about this bike was Kickstarter project.
Journalism and “influencers” are generally a scam by themselves.
To be fair, though. What "reviews" I could find were from websites which didn't look very trustworthy anyway. Could be that some "real" websites did review the bikes and have since taken them down, but I somehow doubt there were many if not any. It's very common for people to purchase positive reviews from websites which are basically scams themselves, and you don't even have to pay much for it. Some people even go as far as getting domains just for reviewing their bad products, and then bot the sites enough so that they show up in first pages of search engines.
no, dumb people falling for the scam are to blame. People today fall too easily for good look vs reality of function
@Ghostiification Ah, wise words from a person who uses thier noggin.
Rare these days, I mean if the internet said it then it must be true!
Ill stick to my $200 5 yr old Schwinn from Walmart.
Reevo wasted their money then. This is the first time I've heard of this thing. Was it big news the biking community generally? It's not a mountain bike or a travel bike... it's an e-Bike I guess but there are so many of those.
11:44 That's a nice point of ingress for the water. Just a couple weeks ago an e-bike exploded on a subway car in Toronto and it was determined to have been caused by a USB port on the bike not being sealed.
And also no clamps to feed the cable through.
Sooner rather than later the long cable will get caught on something and then at best you will have to buy a new phone
Exactly this.....
Exactly what i tought too. Whats so hard about putting a cover over it?
@jwhite5008 and the stick on phone bracket thats pretty cheesy.
Maybe they should of put the brown tape over the USB port rather than the logo.
Not sure which looks more ridiculous. That bike or the truck that passed by @ 0:47.
The truck
The truck
Came here to say exactly that
The truck. The bike actually looks great.
I missed that, thanks for pointing that out! Hilarious!
I mean if someone wants a bro truck whose wheels can be damaged by a parking lot curb then it's no business of mine. It's his truck, and he could always put actual wheels and tires on it and use it as one if he wants to.
I'm still laughing though.
The godaddy page being the ultimate obituary, perfect 😅😅🤣🤣
5:02 that’s exactly the problem when everything depends on an app. Once the app stops working our hardware is only junk
I remember my first mobile phone it was still working 3 years after my dad gave to me then the brilliant phone company's said 2 g network. Then things really went stupid 5 phones and the batteries last 18 hours first I charged at weekends then phones batteries lasted 4 days with me playing snake toooo !
I would love if you made a video taking this apart.
I'm curious how the bearings in the wheel look and how the propulsion system works.
There has to be like 10+ little bearing wheels in the hubless wheel.
I bet it would be destroyed if you got dirt in it, like if you rode through mud by accident and the wheel sank in.
Would definitely be interesting to see how they did the rear propulsion too.
Wait a year and i can tell you what the bearings will look like: a pile of swarf
it's just a giant gear on the inside
i would love a follow up video on it as well but making it, better? if thats even possible..?
This for sure!
Taking it a part, one could perhaps tell if the bike would've been better with better parts/sollutions
Form without function, this thing is basically a sculpture
Thats the same for all "hubless" bikes and motorcycles I've seen. And yes there has been some made, but only as one offs, never factory produced. And as a sculpture they are kind of fun to look at, and in some cases they are even able to drive them, slowly and not for too long. But they are still really sculptures.
@blahorgaslisk7763its almost like spokes actually do something and arent just pretty lol. every time i see something like this i know for sure that not a single person on that design team has ever fixed a bent wheel. wouldnt be surprised if most of the noise and resistance is because the frame of the wheel is slightly bent out of allignment with the tire.
@bonk4621 Basically thats the main problem. the wheel is used because its the absolute most optimal shape for this purpose.
even the mars rovers have nitinol wheels that have special funcitons but still follow the same concept.
a hubless wheel adds unnecesary torque and friction in parts where there shouldnt be any and has abysmal distribution of forces. it looks cool but its garbage at the intended job.
the worst part is that even seeing how bad it is I can think of several ways to improve it a lot at least to the point where you can ride it and say "man its not garbage but its not good"
0:16 Its as though the 67 meme has unintentionally called into the universe to manifest itself into my reality. I have seen 67 and heard 67 too many times now make it stop please.
The Japanese subtitles were easy to read and fully understand. Thank you.
I also liked the fact that the review was not a mockery of a new product that ended up being a failure, but rather a serious and fair judgment of the product.
to be honest, there should be more mockery
its not like the inventor does not know that the design is bad
its not like he never ask anyone opinion before he decided to go ahead after testing the prototype
That's fine, but it isn't so because it's in some kind of contingent operation mode without working authentication, which might have thrown some dynamism if not floating suspension into the assembly. Though, I hope there's a better contingent mode to unlock, so it's not like trying to ride a box of elevator parts.
The Japanese subtitles are from RUclips, and they are probably easy to read because the original English subtitles were uploaded and not auto-generated.
It SHOULD have been a mockery of the inventors as well as the potential buyers. Why? Because we have perfected bikes for over a hundred years now and the resulting geometry is the most effective and efficient one that's allowed by physics in this part of the universe. ANY change will come at a cost of lower stability = increased weight. While one change is bad enough (frame) TWO (hubless wheels) is screaming failure. Therefore, the fault does not only lie with the developers, it also lies with those FINANCING such idiocy. The underlying problem is the common fallacy of mistaking "different" for better. If something is different, people not asking "but is it better - and WHY?" should indeed be mocked.
Konichiwa < ^_^ >
This is seriously one of the best bicycle related videos I've seen. Ever. That tape at the end was icing on the cake. The thing is, these kinds of inventions are beautiful in sci-fi realms. I can imagine someone racing through the streets of a futuristic anime Tokyo with this. But then... physics. And engineering.
It came up randomly in my stream, don't watch bike videos but it is excellent
The physics and engineering to make this thing viable don't exist yet: air bearings, anti-gravity drive, ultraviolet suspension, laser steering, etc.
13:35 the logic of 99% of people is "looks futuristic, must be better than stuff that looks normal". That's it, that's the entire train of thought for most
I highly doubt 99% of people think that way. It's more like the 10% with too much money and no sense.
@Glozboy22 No. It's the majority of people who don't know about such thing. 99% of people who don't own bikes, will think that way because they don't know why bikes are the way they are, but they do know how sci fi movie bikes look like.
@talkysassis It feels like Bladerunner (1982) or Akira (1988)
Humans tend to rely heavily on their sight; artists know this and have practiced affecting people through their eyes for literal centuries. Some artists do it for good, but others…
@Glozboy22Not true. I believe the majority of people seeing a spoke less wheel will stop and look. The only place I've seen that concept was on the animated movie. Big Hero 6. Its a very cool looking design.
The comedic value in this video is indescribeable
Back then the German RUclipsr Alexibexi reviewed the bike and he found it to be an absolute nightmare with basically the same issues you found. It's funny to see this thing pop up again.
Thought the same thing, searched for this comment.
Yep I was kinda confused to see that thing again on RUclips
Huh. Cool. I didn't know that.
It's a cool prop for retro futuristic movies.
Audio added in post-production, of course.
Thanks for your videos!
Can't wait to see Marty do 88 mph on one.
Perhaps it was conceived as one. :o)
You could just CGI the spokes out of a regular bike. Or CGI a bike.
@PointsofData but now the people already spent 6.5 mil 😂 no need for cgi anymore!
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Hubless wheels are good at one thing: Looking cool in rendered futuristic images for non-engineers. Turning them into a real product attracts those same non-engineers who unfortunately aren't able to see the myriad problems right away.
The plain regular bike wheel on the other hand is an amazing invention. A tensegrity structure in motion, stiff, lightweight and precise, held together by less than 2 mm thin wire spokes that can nonetheless pull over 100 kg each, and there's 32 of them per wheel usually. Yet the small hub can take the 3 tons of force trying to pull it apart, just fine. A miracle of engineering.
The same with airless tyres. It sounds like a great idea for people who haven't tried them. The problem of punctures has far better solutions though. Marathon Plus, or tubeless sealant, or in-tube sealant, all good options. Airless tyres just suck all the joy out of biking.
This went viral when I was a bike mechanic and me and guys spent a lunch break figuring out how it would work and pretty much bullseye all the problems. It looks really cool and theoretically gives you some cargo advantages but the compromises required to make the idea work just cripple any gains. Spokes distribute weight so effectively and you can replace them in 30 minute with three tools.
Franco Sbarro did it in 1989 and he made it work. The idea is over a hundred years older that that.
Don't talk nonsense. All mass-produced bikes have a rider weight limit of 100 kg. I weighed 115 kg when I broke the hub. What 3 tons are you talking about? 🤣
@ I didn't say anything about rider weight limits. Each spoke can take over 100 kg of tension. There are 32 spokes in a typical wheel. That's ca 3 tons of force trying to pull the hub apart. Yet the hub survives this. Bike wheels are awesome. That's all.
There’s nothing wrong with going for a rim driven approach, where they failed was the mechanical choice. There’s far more efficient ways to provide robustness and rim driven propulsion.
It's funny to see your attitude towards the bike slowly change from calm constructive criticism to slightly more pissed constructive criticism/a little hatred after the bike breaks after the little bump.
Can relate
That ghost ride towards the end of the video is the exact reason why I stay up way past my bedtime and CAN’T STOP watching RUclips videos. 😂
I know it seems silly but maybe app should prevent issues they encounter such as the bikes using the smart phones gyroscope to detect a " falling over problems etc
I am not a bike enthusiast, I have no idea why youtube recommended it to me, but I'm glad it did. This was hilarious (in all the wrong ways). Amazing to see what can happen when someone way over-engineers a bicycle.
The Cybertruck of bikes.
Cybertruck is so much better as a truck than this is as a bike haha
@TylerLeonard-k2v actually its much much worse
@TylerLeonard-k2v actually its far worse
Yall talkin smack but ive seen hundreds of cyber trucks in nyc I recorded quite a few nice looking ones.
@TheQuota2001Silly truck for silly people.
Product designer: What's not a problem that doesn't need solving?
Pro tip: A fingerprint scanner is redundant when no one wants the piece of shit to begin with.
Best comment ever👍
You don't even need any alarms for this, you will hear the thief take off from a mile away.
It reminds me of a guy that puts duct tape randomly on every power cord he buys, so it looks old and used, so no one will steal it.
@hubertnnn that's pretty smart!
The ultimate anti-theft device.
This is why I actively avoid anything on crowdfunding, the easiness of them being able to up and vanish with the money is just insane.
I'm still waiting for my self refiling water bottle, solid state battery power bank, tankless snorkel mask, kitchen composter, space age coffee press etc
pls refund?
🤦🤣
But Wuxing!?
I've only bought into an Indigogo product once
And has it happens he did get his product "AAWIRELSS" up and running and now Making a fortune
He's just released a second generation of his product
And I can't get one cos they sell so quickly
You just have to wait until next batch arrives. Amazing
Crowdfunding the arts and entertainment can be fantastic. Crowdfunding tech, hard no.
Or Star Citizen haha, 14 year tech demo haha
I had a good chuckle when I first saw the concepts for this bike like 5 years ago, actually impressed they got this far tbh. The whole concept is based on an aesthetic that will always require huge sacrifices. 100% as expected.
Those manga type cartoons with the hubless vehicles have done a lot of damage! :D
@masondegaulle Same. I was thinking something along the lines of "that'd be really neat if it would actually work, too bad it won't."
@OneTrueCat it provides no benefit even if it worked, aside from looking weird that is.
Aesthetic is the key word. With antisocial media everything is about looks not reality.
We dont need an absence of spokes. Give us a better solution for flat tyres.
"That's the kind of masochistic bike ownership I can really get behind" 🤣😂🤣
Lol, the resistance reminds me of the old bicycle lights that were generated from the movement of the bike tires. As soon as you put the little generator wheel against the tire it was like climbing up a steep hill. 😂
Conservation of energy.
I once had a dynamo that was a roller against the back tyre, and you couldn't tell when it was engaged. Very different from the old bottle shaped design that went against the side of the tyre.
Well they've definitely gotten better then, because I have one on my front wheel now and don't notice it. They're still very common in the Netherlands
Damn, I remember those generators and yes the whole damn bike slowed down!
Oh the horror of those generators - remember them well. You either had to put up with replacing batteries often because light bulbs were incandescent and rechargeable batteries hadn't even been invented. Or put up with that permanent brake to get any light at all. The slower the wheel turned the less light you got.
Love how the USB port is facing upwards. Bet that helps having it fill up with rainwater which always pairs exceptionally with electronics. The designers must have never ridden a bike one could think.
It’s like an Orange County Chopper
All show no go.
Yeah that was my main takeaway, all aesthetics at the cost of any practicality. In fairness it does look kinda cool
Bikes and beards literally just posted a hubless chopper
@everettstormy I bet that'll be popular in the future... Lol
@everettstormy yea but built by Billy Lane, a man known for functioning custom choppers. He'd never sell crap that doesn't work
12:36 this looks terrifying but since I'm safe at home without this bicycle it was hilarious 😂
I ran into a brake issue just like you did on this bike. Cable brakes on an e-bike is a death wish.
My cable brakes (both front & rear) failed as I came to a huge 4 way intersection and I had to make a life or death decision. Crashed the bike to avoid the intersection..... Luckily I wasn't hurt (too bad).
what made you buy one in the first place?
@josephButler-v2y not this bike, just e-bike that I built
@rockymountainstemcell651 i built mine too and they've also given me issues. I've even had my derailer snap and i just sorta change them every thousand miles now.
nothing wrong with cable brakes, i got them on my e bike, 3500 miles and still good, other than pad replacements, the breaks work. there as reliable as another.
@TheRealhope4uok! I disagree but if it works for you.....cool!😀
Letting it go like you were releasing it into the wild was the best part. 😂
Tech that relies on an app like this almost always is unsupported within a few years. This is definitely a bike that's fundamentally compromised by its gimmicks.
it's gimmick first, bike second.
personally i think cable brakes should be illegal on e-bikes. i know good cable/rim brakes exist, but i've never seen a e-bike spec'd with them. the cheap ones like this are actively dangerous.
Especially now that Android and IOS no longer let you launch just any APK, it needs to be made for a recent OS or both will reject launching it. That means any app controlled product needs to get constant app updates.
@arachnophilia427 fit them with rod brakes :)
*What "crowd funded" translates to me is: "No legitimate investors thought our thing was good, so we need your help."*
*I should feel bad for anyone who pissed away their money on this...but common sense won't allow it.*
@TenFalconsMusic depends.
It also could just mean that the product is incredibly niche so no investor thinks that the investment is worth the return.
Would you bother investing $100, if you'll only get $110 back, or something else that would give you $500?
good to see people actually trying rather than scamming with a fake project. When investing you should expect risks, this is not a scam, it is just that they failed miserably.
I could not stop laughing at the part of the video where you wonder what would happen if you pushed it fast enough then let go of it.
As the camera man recorded I could imagine that would have been me at the park watching you trying to recover your weird e-bike, getting back on it and then driving off into the wind like nothing happened. Lol
I REALLY appreciate the subtle scenes..like the gentle crunching of the bike, when repeatedly rocking it back and forth 4 inches while at a stop with the smoldering onward look.
I'm one of the few people who received one of these, years late and stuck in US customs for a while. I rode it briefly once and now it stands as a show piece in my living room. Didn't even notice half the issues you point out because after feeling how awful pedaling in first (and only) gear on a bike like this is and how loud it is, I basically got off of it and never got back on. Beno doesn't strike me as a scam company or anything, they really did do everything possible to make these bikes. Problem is they kickstarted a design that wasn't really feasible and had to commit to it in the hope of working out the issues. And then the pandemic put a further logistical and financial strain on them as they were already trying to do the impossible. You can really tell how they cheaped out on the plastics, LEDs, brakes, suspension seatpost and retractable mudguard to bring down production costs. It's a miracle this trainwreck exists at all.
It is cool though.
When marketing manager have an idea of a modern bike....
That’s pretty much scamming, though they sold something they couldn’t actually do…
@sammfshields the "couldn't do" part isn't what makes it a scam, though. If they thought they could, tried, and were proven wrong, it's a failure, not a scam.
the fact that they tried and failed, then sold it anyway (and lied about it) makes it a scam
I love it when a product gets all the way from R&D to actually shipping and it's clear the company in question didn't even test it out for 5 minutes.
12:27 they probably would have faced so many lawsuits with that auto engage issue
And it would've been relatively easy to prevent, just put a weight sensor on the seat so if there's nobody sitting on it, it can't enable the assist.
16:44 The way he looks at the camera, picks up the bike, fixes it and go is hilarious 😂
11:40 wouldn't water damage the usb port???
Yep, that's the worst place ever for a USB port, save for right underneath the pedals, because dirt would get in there as well.
Yep. It's just going to fill up with water and you'll have to tip the bike to empty it. Putting it on the side with a cover would've been heaps better
yes. Anyone with a dynamo and a charge port on their touring cockpit knows that this thing is dead in no time flat. Also, it's a fire hazard, lol. Good luck. When your sweat drops on it and you go to plug your phone back in, the male connection will catch on fire and melt when it shorts. This happens on decently thought-out designs, let alone this thing shaped like a cup facing up and underneath the rider, LMAO.
And like, all they had to do was just put a waterproof cap on it smh
Only if it has the same "sensor" as a phone it will just disengage the usb when water is detected.... but this company made it so i doubt it has it
Thought this was a hilarious SNL skit
“I forgot this is is all brick”
😂😂😂
Same thing I say when driving down cobblestone streets.
I'm an old person and I see the 21st C as a great era for cons and scamming. The union of the internet and the public's fascination with tech and the decline in education is just a gold mine.
I'm a young person and I totally agree with you. So many companies put useless tech on things that don't need tech in the first place (like AI mouse, really?). And education part? How comes I keep seeing Americans who can't tell a difference between "than" and "then"?
The con works because there are people willing to cheat, wanting to appear as stylish, tech-savvy, experienced cyclists without working on any of these things.
It’s all about image now, people invest so much into how they appear to others. Having a bike like this would make you stand out - like the old guy says “I like the way it looks”. Personally I think it’s an ugly horror, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Decades of TV, media and now the internet have filled our heads with untenable self-images which we can only maintain through purchases as a consumer. We no longer just want to have a Coke, we now want to be that guy who drinks Coke - so people today are living in some kind of dream-state, barely connecting with the real world at all. The only reason a bike like this exists is because there are people who dream themselves into buying a bike like this. These people must imagine themselves as Marty McFly or Akira or one of the heroes of Tron.
I found this video hilarious, showing us USB ports, MagSafe attachment and finger sensor. I suppose if you work as a Deliveroo courier these are superb features, but for a cyclist - well, I’d rather focus on the road ahead and use the muscles in my legs, in line with the original design of the bike.
BINGO!!!!
Well that's quite comical!
Scamming and ponzi schemes have been going on since man first learned to trade.
So absolutely nothing new, people just never learn.
Anyone looking at this and not immediately identifying at least two or three problems that are outright deal-breakers is plain stupid.
When we started up a bike shop a few years ago, we made a rule that we would not assemble any kickstarter or indiegogo bikes.
I asked my partner in bike shop how much to sort out bikes at Christmas parents got for the little darlings I actually was horrified the pre assembled bikes I encountered with lose brake so zero stopping power and wish I had spoken to Halford support bikes sent in shipping containers with bits vitals missing I.e lock washer thing and plastic cover to prevent sharpness of nuts on bikes it was a definite decline..
Perfect example of "so preoccupied with if we could, we didn't stop to think if we should."