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My dad worked on the original molten salt reactor design, and had a couple of patents granted for some design elements. Wish he had lived to see this interest in New development.
I first heard about MSRs in 2012. I have a lot of hope that we see real progress in the field lately. I can hardly believe that a 100MW MSR will be running in 2028.
That's awesome. I have a very limited understanding but from what I did understand I'm very impressed. I hope this tech breaks up the power monopolies and helps to bring cheap power to the world.
I too, have only a layman's knowledge of the whole realm of molten salt reactors. I like Copenhagen's approach to building the tools made with off-the-shelf parts (or nearly so) to validate the various reactor designs. Manufacturing and materials are where you'll see the biggest advances in MSR's.
The resistance to this will come and be funded by the fossil fuel and public utility industries. When LFTR’s/SMR’s can be sited at every substation, long high-lines will be obsolete. By the way, Alfa Laval ADR’S trade under the symbol ALFVY.
My biggest "common equipment" surprise at a national lab was radiation shielded hot cells using webcams up-close to the materials. Being a video guy, I'd have assumed always use nice camera and optical zoom. But nope, webcams right-up-close. Use them up, replace. Cheap. Now that I've had to install a few laptop webcams (some laptops arrived at work without webcams) it is insane how small the webcam part of a consumer webcam really is. (I mean obviously, for it to fit into a laptop display.) I can imagine hot cells standardizing on some sort of $2 component instead of fancy-pants $50 webcams.
@@harleyb.birdwhisperer It hasn't been the fossil fuel industry pushing radiophobia for decades, it's been so-called environmentalists. And why would they when those who are no real threat to them have been attacking that which is? Why would utilities be threatened? They sell energy,and making it for cheap means they can sell it for cheap. It may even increase their profits by making energy intensive industries suddenly viable.
The addition of the vacuum fission product separator is an extremely creative way around the complex chemical refining plant of the original molten salt design and flibe energy. i imagine that could cut costs considerably.
Thank you for the update. Appreciate all the work you are doing to make a cleaner and safer energy source. Are you familiar with the SAFIRE project? It may interest you.
Curiously, I typically play vids at 2x speed but rather than slow this one down, I found turning on the CC text worked great. It was accurate enough to fill in some of the words I wasn't hearing clearly.
Yes in the future these energy plats will be very cheap to make and can be placed in cars and in houses. Certainly plants for bigger areas as well. This is the beginning of an era that will put out all other kinds of methods. Wind Solar is just a complement. Batteries are too harsh for the environment. There are already some small Plants built using thorium.
They are going for a 1 MW test reactor but do they really mean that they can stuff a 100 MW reactor in a shipping container? Yes, the cooling and the load are external, but still... can it weigh 30 tonnes including proper shielding or is that external too?
This is soo cool...we need small compact reactors for pretty much everything. I hope someone is looking at small thermal electric generators that this can power.
Interesting to see that CA is basically adopting the same venture path to commercisl deployment through low cost demo builds as has been proposed by Dennis Whyte out of MIT for fusion. Both sets of nuclear tech are so close to commercial reality today. Has the Thorium camp finally engineered how to handle the relatively small, yet still technically difficult to manage, waste byproduct?
about as small as the ones in the video are most practical BUT depending how naughty you want to get with the U content of your fuel though , hmmmm? think like a shoe box size thing that produces as much thermal energy as a small rocket engine for 5 years straight and the battle would be to get the heat away from it fast enough....running at close to boom time throttle ....
@@peterolsen9131 HEU (high enriched uranium) allows it to be scaled down massively in size, but the radioactivity is still an issue and requires shielding. If size is the concern, you usually run something not quite HEU but at least up to the maximum for "LEU" (usually called HALEU). If you look at what is used in nuclear subs and carriers you see this sort of thing used (HEU/HALEU) as the reactor needs to be fairly small but powerful - still too low for bombs, but high enrichment. (Note, High-Assay low-enriched uranium (HALEU): 5 to 19.75%) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_marine_propulsion#:~:text=Some%20marine%20reactors,enriched%20fuel.%5B6%5D
Molten salt gains because intrinsic safety means most of the safety systems are not needed. However pumping radioactive fuel is a really big issue. The technical and regulatory issues are huge. Put the fuel in vented tubes heating a tank of the same species of salt and you don’t need to pump the fuel.
ALON could be a good material to construct the tubes and pipes and perhaps some of the internal assemblies, too. Ed: instead of Stainless Steel or Silicon Carbide composites
Get a 3d printer and make everything with Inconel (nickel super alloy). Very high temp, great toughness, molten salt compatible, reduced part count, reduced machining...
@@fajkoson turns out Hastiloy-N is the way go there was a paper that just came out that showed the radiation from the fuel salt would help prevent corrosion from the salt it self www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17244-y "Here we report that proton irradiation decelerates intergranular corrosion of Ni-Cr alloys in molten fluoride salt at 650 °C."
Why is boiling water for electricity still a thing that we pursue. Explain the full fuel content and cycle, in three generations what will the waste stream safely look like? Ten generations
Well i suppose, there never will be 10th gen. China will finish their MSR, the world will copy paste that tech and later on we will hopefully use ITER instead.
Here is the link to the petition. Please consider signing it. Other than signing the petition, I have no affiliation. www.thorium.today/support-first-thorium-msr
Sorry, I do cut out gaps as I also cut out stammers. Frequently my editing makes it sound like people are high-speed ranting. I'd rather have it too fast (and people pause or slow it down) than too slow.
The common understanding (call it meme if you like) will be: "We need nuclear energy" if we are to achieve substantial CO2 reduction. What to think of this meme "Nuclear is the new oil". Have a chat with royaldutchshellplc.com/category/marjan-van-loon/. Shell is desperately looking to reallocate resources into green energy sources. The image of nuclear is all important. Let it be Green. I hope you succeed sooner than you expect!
That is probably better marketing than reality. If you simply average out the amount of thorium in the ground for 1 m3 of dirt (about 10g) and consume it for energy, that energy would be equivalent to fill the hole with oil 30x over. Nuclear OBSOLETES oil in pretty much every respect.
Isn’t there an old dame in the industry that’s been making the container sized enriched uranium reactors for remote applications for some time now?Lady Barbara..something.They must be diiiiirty and then dumped.....somewhere
I need one of these to run asics that mine peer to peer currency using cryptographic mathematics to secure. I am operating my own banking without any government approvals and it feels great not being a slave to central banking by government anymore.
I think we should stop using helium in party balloons, one day we will be short of helium and future generations will be aghast about our use of party balloons
Interesting to see that CA is basically adopting the same venture path to commercisl deployment through low cost demo builds as has been proposed by Dennis Whyte out of MIT for fusion. Both sets of nuclear tech are so close to commercial reality today. Has the Thorium camp finally engineered how to handle the relatively small, yet still technically difficult to manage, waste byproduct?
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If you'd like to support creation of these nuclear power videos please visit www.patreon.com/thorium where I do accept financial support. You'll probably enjoy my Patreon feed, if you take any interest in Advanced Nuclear. (Molten-Salt Reactors, Small Modular Reactors, thermal-spectrum breeders, fast-spectrum breeders.)
Copenhagen Atomics is asking MSR keeners in Netherlands to head here... www.thorium.today/support-first-thorium-msr ...to petition that a Molten-Salt Test Reactor be built locally. And check out Copenhagen Atomics molten-salt hardware... www.copenhagenatomics.com/products.php ...for great last-minute stocking-stuffers like an $88,000 molten-salt loop!
Again, if you find my editing work useful, I ask for (nay, demand!) $1/year. Yes, $1/year. You'll understand once you pledge. www.patreon.com/thorium
My dad worked on the original molten salt reactor design, and had a couple of patents granted for some design elements. Wish he had lived to see this interest in New development.
we stand on the shoulders of giants. m. j. kelly by any change?
I'm so encouraged that people are still working towards modular MSRs.
Absolutely.
They got 750.000 euros from private investors last year. This is on the brink to go crazy. Elon Musk, danish version
Cool, that's my supervisor for my thesis project! :D
I first heard about MSRs in 2012. I have a lot of hope that we see real progress in the field lately. I can hardly believe that a 100MW MSR will be running in 2028.
This is something. Good luck for your project.
That's awesome. I have a very limited understanding but from what I did understand I'm very impressed. I hope this tech breaks up the power monopolies and helps to bring cheap power to the world.
I too, have only a layman's knowledge of the whole realm of molten salt reactors. I like Copenhagen's approach to building the tools made with off-the-shelf parts (or nearly so) to validate the various reactor designs. Manufacturing and materials are where you'll see the biggest advances in MSR's.
@@paulbradford6475 Yeah I noticed that too. It's funny to see common parts that I see in the factory I work at on a reactor. Very pragmatic.
The resistance to this will come and be funded by the fossil fuel and public utility industries. When LFTR’s/SMR’s can be sited at every substation, long high-lines will be obsolete. By the way, Alfa Laval ADR’S trade under the symbol ALFVY.
My biggest "common equipment" surprise at a national lab was radiation shielded hot cells using webcams up-close to the materials. Being a video guy, I'd have assumed always use nice camera and optical zoom. But nope, webcams right-up-close. Use them up, replace. Cheap.
Now that I've had to install a few laptop webcams (some laptops arrived at work without webcams) it is insane how small the webcam part of a consumer webcam really is. (I mean obviously, for it to fit into a laptop display.) I can imagine hot cells standardizing on some sort of $2 component instead of fancy-pants $50 webcams.
@@harleyb.birdwhisperer It hasn't been the fossil fuel industry pushing radiophobia for decades, it's been so-called environmentalists. And why would they when those who are no real threat to them have been attacking that which is?
Why would utilities be threatened? They sell energy,and making it for cheap means they can sell it for cheap. It may even increase their profits by making energy intensive industries suddenly viable.
AlfaLaval making nuclear power plants. It is totally weird and also makes perfect sense at the same time. Love it!
The addition of the vacuum fission product separator is an extremely creative way around the complex chemical refining plant of the original molten salt design and flibe energy. i imagine that could cut costs considerably.
Great talk, wish you luck!
Greetings from Slovakia
Keep up the good work Gordon ! History will remember you and Kirk Sorensen. Exciting update 👍🏼💡
Great concept to move forward now. Very practical and well justified. Have you initiated any experimental processes to address tritium?
Thank you for the update. Appreciate all the work you are doing to make a cleaner and safer energy source.
Are you familiar with the SAFIRE project? It may interest you.
man i wish i could help this project develop. holy shit am i happy to see this moving along!
It might be easier to listen to the speaker at 0.75 speed (click on the gear wheel icon).
Curiously, I typically play vids at 2x speed but rather than slow this one down, I found turning on the CC text worked great. It was accurate enough to fill in some of the words I wasn't hearing clearly.
Interesting, please be more clear and detailed if it is for both thorium and uran. Is gold clading not possible to avoid corrossion.Good luck
Fantastic. Soon every household has one.
A breakthrough for the human race. Big Time!
Thank you for the update 🙏
eh. that might be overkill for each house.
Not if they are small.
@@Wedontwantnowarnomore these are not "cheap" to make.
much more sense to make them for a area to cover. will never be "by house"
Yes in the future these energy plats will be very cheap to make and can be placed in cars and in houses. Certainly plants for bigger areas as well.
This is the beginning of an era that will put out all other kinds of methods. Wind Solar is just a complement. Batteries are too harsh for the environment.
There are already some small Plants built using thorium.
@@Wedontwantnowarnomore
Do you think having a nuclear reactor in every home is okay, not a problem?
They are going for a 1 MW test reactor but do they really mean that they can stuff a 100 MW reactor in a shipping container? Yes, the cooling and the load are external, but still... can it weigh 30 tonnes including proper shielding or is that external too?
This is soo cool...we need small compact reactors for pretty much everything. I hope someone is looking at small thermal electric generators that this can power.
Interesting to see that CA is basically adopting the same venture path to commercisl deployment through low cost demo builds as has been proposed by Dennis Whyte out of MIT for fusion. Both sets of nuclear tech are so close to commercial reality today. Has the Thorium camp finally engineered how to handle the relatively small, yet still technically difficult to manage, waste byproduct?
OOF
Salt loop for sale, that'd look great in my lounge room
Bit pricey though
Awesome 👍😎 keep up the good work....someday I better have a salt cooled PC!!!
anyone try using inconel in the construction I know its ver stabile structurally at high temp but I think it is also very corrosion resistant.
You mentioned the U.S. Are there any interested parties in Massachusetts (U.S.)?
How is MIT not all over this?
I'm on vacation this coming week, maybe I should go into town and ask that question.
How small can these be scaled down?
about as small as the ones in the video are most practical BUT depending how naughty you want to get with the U content of your fuel though , hmmmm? think like a shoe box size thing that produces as much thermal energy as a small rocket engine for 5 years straight and the battle would be to get the heat away from it fast enough....running at close to boom time throttle ....
@@peterolsen9131 HEU (high enriched uranium) allows it to be scaled down massively in size, but the radioactivity is still an issue and requires shielding. If size is the concern, you usually run something not quite HEU but at least up to the maximum for "LEU" (usually called HALEU). If you look at what is used in nuclear subs and carriers you see this sort of thing used (HEU/HALEU) as the reactor needs to be fairly small but powerful - still too low for bombs, but high enrichment. (Note, High-Assay low-enriched uranium (HALEU): 5 to 19.75%) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_marine_propulsion#:~:text=Some%20marine%20reactors,enriched%20fuel.%5B6%5D
Hmm, the corrosion is long term issue with MSR, i am curious how China is handling this. Good luck with your progress tho.
Good idea to built it in Holland!!!
Molten salt gains because intrinsic safety means most of the safety systems are not needed.
However pumping radioactive fuel is a really big issue. The technical and regulatory issues are huge. Put the fuel in vented tubes heating a tank of the same species of salt and you don’t need to pump the fuel.
ALON could be a good material to construct the tubes and pipes and perhaps some of the internal assemblies, too.
Ed: instead of Stainless Steel or Silicon Carbide composites
generally any oxide based ceramic will react with both molten fluoride and chloride salts
Get a 3d printer and make everything with Inconel (nickel super alloy). Very high temp, great toughness, molten salt compatible, reduced part count, reduced machining...
These small loops may also fit in those 3D printed alloy off world habitats made in Austin TX.Shipping containers....pure genius.
3d printed metal parts have issues with voids and molecular alignment.
@@Bangpath247 it's like... Sintered at best, no?
@@Bangpath247 You missed Spacex printing rocket engines apparently.
Nice.
But Will they work commercially though?
Couldn't CA talk to SpaceX about steel for the reactor? They have a new 304L for high temperatures that are going to be used on StarShip.
the temperature is not the issue, the corrosion effect ot the salts is the issue.
@@fajkoson turns out Hastiloy-N is the way go there was a paper that just came out that showed the radiation from the fuel salt would help prevent corrosion from the salt it self
www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17244-y "Here we report that proton irradiation decelerates intergranular corrosion of Ni-Cr alloys in molten fluoride salt at 650 °C."
@@Elios0000 thats nice:P but we need stability not just decelaration :(. I hope we get there :P
Why is boiling water for electricity still a thing that we pursue.
Explain the full fuel content and cycle, in three generations what will the waste stream safely look like? Ten generations
Well i suppose, there never will be 10th gen. China will finish their MSR, the world will copy paste that tech and later on we will hopefully use ITER instead.
Here is the link to the petition. Please consider signing it. Other than signing the petition, I have no affiliation.
www.thorium.today/support-first-thorium-msr
I had to slow your playback speed down to .75x to take in what you were saying. Why speak so fast?
Sorry, I do cut out gaps as I also cut out stammers. Frequently my editing makes it sound like people are high-speed ranting. I'd rather have it too fast (and people pause or slow it down) than too slow.
I'm jealous of his beard and intelligence tbh
It is a majestic beard
The common understanding (call it meme if you like) will be: "We need nuclear energy" if we are to achieve substantial CO2 reduction.
What to think of this meme "Nuclear is the new oil". Have a chat with royaldutchshellplc.com/category/marjan-van-loon/. Shell is desperately looking to reallocate resources into green energy sources. The image of nuclear is all important. Let it be Green.
I hope you succeed sooner than you expect!
That is probably better marketing than reality. If you simply average out the amount of thorium in the ground for 1 m3 of dirt (about 10g) and consume it for energy, that energy would be equivalent to fill the hole with oil 30x over. Nuclear OBSOLETES oil in pretty much every respect.
@@LFTRnow Yea agree. But how to get that across?
Slow down, you speak too fast.
I tried him at 0.75 speed (click on the gear wheel icon) and he is better at that speed
Thought this was Steve Jobs
Isn’t there an old dame in the industry that’s been making the container sized enriched uranium reactors for remote applications for some time now?Lady Barbara..something.They must be diiiiirty and then dumped.....somewhere
This man is really dedicated to the black turtleneck “aesthetic”
I need one of these to run asics that mine peer to peer currency using cryptographic mathematics to secure. I am operating my own banking without any government approvals and it feels great not being a slave to central banking by government anymore.
I think we should stop using helium in party balloons, one day we will be short of helium and future generations will be aghast about our use of party balloons
Next time, shave before your sales pitch.
Interesting to see that CA is basically adopting the same venture path to commercisl deployment through low cost demo builds as has been proposed by Dennis Whyte out of MIT for fusion. Both sets of nuclear tech are so close to commercial reality today. Has the Thorium camp finally engineered how to handle the relatively small, yet still technically difficult to manage, waste byproduct?