I can garentee these guys wont lead you wrong. I called them looking for my first scope, and i had my eye on a pricey scope. After talking to Hans i saved $1500 buy buying a less expensive scope that met what i needed.
Ha! Well you might want to get your scope checked out because the V2 256 definitely doesn’t compete in image with the V1 384. Your scope should be significantly better. Thanks for watching!
I dropped a coyote at about 225 yds a few weeks ago with a v2 19-256. IDing at that range is indeed difficult, but not impossible if you know how you targets and non-targets move. Or maybe I just got lucky(ish), as I was watching for them at one of my sheep they'd killed the night before. Deer (non-target) are more difficult to ID as the lower part of their legs don't put out much heat to detect, snuck down to about 175 yds before I was sure.
For the price point these rattlers go for.. i doubt many people (if anyone) are going to expect a 2,000 yard i.d on a target. Is it better than the goyojo 256 thermal?? Umm... yea i think so. Thats what people need to hear. Used car salesman give the same speal selling their shiit. For what these thermals are... and their price point.. they are GREAT thermals. When you have plenty of money it becomes too easy to dog on the lesser, cheaper things in life. We get it.. your not a fan. Most of us heathens would be more than happy just having the capability to have thermal without beong priced out of the market. Thank you AGM.
My plan here is to buy one of these to use for coyote calling in my state of Kansas. I figure I can make this work for now until I can afford a higher end scope with better resolution. Then I can retire this one to a scanning scope so I don’t think I’ll be wasting any money. I have a decent night vision set up but after borrowing a buddies thermal last year it’s just really hard to beat. Just for the detection purposes alone! Especially in some of the thick grassy pastures I hunt in. Can’t wait!
Just hours before this came out i had ordered a ts25. My plan is ising it for a secondary scope for my boy or wife on coyote stands. We will have better units on stand to id animals but just needed more scopes to go around and didnt want to spend another 3-4k.
Great content guys. Ive watched a bunch of your videos. Never thought I'd see you recommend a 256 but i personally think 256 is great for inside 75 yards. You did a great job explaining what this is good for. Kudos.
Thank you very much! We agree, the issue is the majority of people convince themselves it will be good out to 200 yards and then are extremely disappointed when it won’t. If your expectations are accurate it’s not a bad technology. Thanks for watching!
These are good out to 300+ for hunting. I've coyote hunted with my 25-256 v2 plenty of times, from 80-350yds. 350 is pushing it, but I don't even want to hunt at 350 with an ar-15. Detection out to 1500yds+
I was looking at this to swap between my Mossberg 930 and Extar EP9 carbine- maybe even on the 10-22 for keeping the raccoons/bobcats away from the chickens. All are for property patrol at home. Realistically, both bigger guns are home defense units too, but man, it'd be REALLY cool to teach my wife to use this, buy another one so that she can protect HER birds at 2 or 4 AM when the motion detector wakes her before she wakes ME up and sends me out to do her dirty work! This has my attention now, for sure.
@TheLateNightVisionShow alright thanks, I did not know that. Are any of them worth it at a certain price point, or it doesn't matter the scope version will always be better regardless? Cause I thought it would be nice to be able to take any rifle instead of having a designated rifle for it.
Could you use the iray bolt th50c on an ar15 platform or would you have issues with the eye relief? I heard someone say its more for bolt guns and doesn't work well with the ar platforms
Oh man that’s terribly wrong info. A 30mm tube thermal scope, like the Bolt, Adder, Thermion etc will work on any platform. It is by far the most versatile style of optic on the market. We used AR’s 95% of the time and we use 30mm tube based scopes 95% of the time. It’s the small compact scopes that can give you problems on any rifle with a fixed stock. It’s not that it won’t ever work but it’s definitely a gamble and not what that style scope was made for. Call us we’d love to help! 877-350-1818
@@timothy____1989 yeah I figured out how to do it, I had to align the thermal to my day time scope, zero the thermal first then check my day time optic. Then move my cross hairs to my thermal radical and write down my clicks to get to the thermal cross hairs. The military has done this for years and think it’s a better option for a more rounded hunter anyway
This is a question that you’ll need to ask AGM directly. Shotguns have really really nasty recoil, a lot more than most rifle calibers. AGM has upped their recoil ratings but they aren’t giving specific rifle ratings or giving the rating in ft/lbs so its it’s a little difficult to say for sure. Sorry we don’t have an exact answer but we suspect it to be a “no”. Thank you for watching
@stevegunn9971 not the creators but you can't use thermal through glass. So the window would need to be open. I've never tried thermal with the window screen but my pvs 14 looks grainy through a window screen.
2.5x is more than we’d generally suggest but in this price range it’s as good as you’re going to get and you can definitely make due with it. Give us a call if you’d like to discuss is more, we’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
It’s a stand alone scope with crosshairs, correct? This means I need to zero it, so if I’m in the field and the battery dies, when I swap out the battery(íes?), does it lose its zero?
Correct it is a scope and needs to be zeroed just like a daytime optic. Like a cell phone, laptop or other electronic item, your data including zeroing information is saved to internal memory so removing the batteries or having the battery die etc does not affect your zero or other saved data. Thanks for watching.
@ Thank you for your answer! My entry-level IR scope from a few years back is now a paperweight for this reason. Nothing was mentioned in the owners manual about battery life nor the need to record your x-y zero location on paper, & it never occurred to me as a newbie to need to do so. So I spent weeks making time to go to the range, planning a trip to meet my buddy to thin out some coyotes, drive 3 hours one way, we set up, and 2 hours after dark my batteries die (~50° F)No problem thinks I and I pop in 4 new AAs, only to discover the scope back at factory settings, crosshairs WAY off!😡 too late for me to return it, customer service just shrugged and said, yea, so? it made me so angry I absolutely refuse to ever do business with that scope mfg no matter how “good” aproduct they might make in the future. No, it was not AGM. I hear VERY few reviewers talk about battery life, and Nobody addresses what-ifs under field conditions, e.g. 50°F night with no moon, pitch dark, and you left your spare external battery pack at home. How long will they last if I use the scope continuously to scan? Can I change the batteries inthe pitch black (say I also forgot my headlamp back in truck), by feel, without a tool? Is there a danger of dropping the battery door inthe high grass where I’ll never find it without ruining my night vision? Not all of us can shoot hogs off our back porch, so I’d love to see & hear some real - world use scenarios. Thanks again for your answer, sounds like the technology has progressed quite a ways!👍🏼
No sir it will not, it’s not a clip on. It’s a dedicated scope. You’ll do WAY better with a dedicated scope vs a clip-on. Trust us…clip-ons are not a good investment.😎
That's so weird they can't be shipped to Canada. We literally are allowing all sorts of criminals into our country from all over the world, yet we can't facilitate such a transaction between US and Canadian citizens lol. And a Canadian citizen could just come to the US and buy it here, I'm assuming. So nothing seems to make sense anymore - correct me if I'm off track
@@isaach165 i would not admit breaking international arms trafficking laws. If you did not have an export permit, end user certificate, import permit, and itar shipment paperwork.
@hakimcameldriver what are you talking about? I had read through the import laws and been in contact with the border all before hand. Pretty sure they wouldn't have let me pay duty on it if I did something illegal.
Yes it will. No issues other than making sure you have a collapsible stock or a stock short enough to get your eye up close enough to the eyepiece on the scope. Give us a call if you have more questions. We’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
Gentlemen, thank you... I hear you and understand the philosophy of use. Not sure I usderstand the your logic unless your a long-range show and store... ONLY. Here's the thing, just like any other non-thermal/NV scope... isn't it up to the buyer to decide what they need? Do ya'll sell anything else designed for 100yrs and in?
There must be confusion…..we explain the realistic usage of every scope we review from $399 to $10,000. Since 99% of thermals on the market are good for 200 yards or more, we want potential customers to know what they are getting before they spend their money. 256 resolution thermals (like these) have an industry return rate of 10x of all 384 and 640 thermals. The reason is simply that people do not understand what they are buying and they believe they are getting a $2500 quality thermal for under $1000. This is a giant misconception and we believe as a good dealer we want our customers to know exactly what they are getting before they spend their money and be pleasantly surprised if anything, when it arrives. We do want the buyer to make their own decision but they need to be informed so they can make a good decision. And to answer your question, every NV and thermal scope we sell besides these have the easy potential for 200+ yard shots. So 256 optics are the are the outliers on the market. Even $399 NV scopes are good for 200+ yards. We hope this explanation helps. Thanks for watching.
Just detecting and not ID’ing….a long long ways. We honestly don’t have many places in our area that we can see that far but we’d guess you could detect the heat off a vehicle at 1000+ yards but you would know if it was a cow, a truck or a barn.
I can garentee these guys wont lead you wrong. I called them looking for my first scope, and i had my eye on a pricey scope. After talking to Hans i saved $1500 buy buying a less expensive scope that met what i needed.
Thank you very much!! We appreciate your business!👊🏼👊🏼
Thank you! I appreciate it
What did you end up getting?
@@tacoking5685 the Bolt th50 v2
@@Fishhunter78that's still 4K damn
The AGM Rattler V2 (gotta be a V2 for that all important battery life!) 19-256 is the best bang for the buck thermal rifle scope on the market.
It’s definitely a fair deal. There are some great optics out there right now and AGM is really bringing the quality this year!
@@TheLateNightVisionShow do both versions record sound? or just images?
The image almost looks as good as my 384 V1 rattler. Thanks guys!
Ha! Well you might want to get your scope checked out because the V2 256 definitely doesn’t compete in image with the V1 384. Your scope should be significantly better. Thanks for watching!
Or his eye sight lol
I dropped a coyote at about 225 yds a few weeks ago with a v2 19-256. IDing at that range is indeed difficult, but not impossible if you know how you targets and non-targets move. Or maybe I just got lucky(ish), as I was watching for them at one of my sheep they'd killed the night before. Deer (non-target) are more difficult to ID as the lower part of their legs don't put out much heat to detect, snuck down to about 175 yds before I was sure.
For the price point these rattlers go for.. i doubt many people (if anyone) are going to expect a 2,000 yard i.d on a target. Is it better than the goyojo 256 thermal?? Umm... yea i think so. Thats what people need to hear. Used car salesman give the same speal selling their shiit. For what these thermals are... and their price point.. they are GREAT thermals. When you have plenty of money it becomes too easy to dog on the lesser, cheaper things in life. We get it.. your not a fan. Most of us heathens would be more than happy just having the capability to have thermal without beong priced out of the market. Thank you AGM.
My plan here is to buy one of these to use for coyote calling in my state of Kansas. I figure I can make this work for now until I can afford a higher end scope with better resolution. Then I can retire this one to a scanning scope so I don’t think I’ll be wasting any money. I have a decent night vision set up but after borrowing a buddies thermal last year it’s just really hard to beat. Just for the detection purposes alone! Especially in some of the thick grassy pastures I hunt in. Can’t wait!
When you’re ready to make the purchase, we’d love to have your business! outdoorlegacy.com
Just hours before this came out i had ordered a ts25. My plan is ising it for a secondary scope for my boy or wife on coyote stands. We will have better units on stand to id animals but just needed more scopes to go around and didnt want to spend another 3-4k.
Awesome! Hope you bought it from Outdoor Legacy!😎
Oh yeaaa my 19-256 is out for delivery! Rivers are up from the rain pushing the hogs out of the swamp into the open. Going to be funnn
Good luck on the hogs!
@@TheLateNightVisionShow and to y'all! Just got it on and mounted. Raining here so hopefully can sight it in in am and get it in use tomorrow night.
@@TheLateNightVisionShow sent a buddy your way for a 19-256 v2
Thank you so much!! We really appreciate that.👊🏼👊🏼
@@TheLateNightVisionShow absolutely
Thanks guys.
Thanks for watching!
Great content guys. Ive watched a bunch of your videos. Never thought I'd see you recommend a 256 but i personally think 256 is great for inside 75 yards. You did a great job explaining what this is good for. Kudos.
Thank you very much! We agree, the issue is the majority of people convince themselves it will be good out to 200 yards and then are extremely disappointed when it won’t. If your expectations are accurate it’s not a bad technology. Thanks for watching!
These are good out to 300+ for hunting. I've coyote hunted with my 25-256 v2 plenty of times, from 80-350yds. 350 is pushing it, but I don't even want to hunt at 350 with an ar-15. Detection out to 1500yds+
I was looking at this to swap between my Mossberg 930 and Extar EP9 carbine- maybe even on the 10-22 for keeping the raccoons/bobcats away from the chickens. All are for property patrol at home. Realistically, both bigger guns are home defense units too, but man, it'd be REALLY cool to teach my wife to use this, buy another one so that she can protect HER birds at 2 or 4 AM when the motion detector wakes her before she wakes ME up and sends me out to do her dirty work! This has my attention now, for sure.
Give us a call, we’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
I’m watching your vid and on your website right now
Thank you!! Feel free to call us Monday if you have any questions. We’d love to have your business! 877-350-1818
Might be a dumb question but does the 256-19 have multiple profiles to have multiple zeros? like some of the other models?
Yes sir it does! It can be zeroed on multiple rifles.
I have a Pulsar Trail XP50 and an Axion handheld. I’m looking for a “buddy” thermal for another rifle. Is the V2 a good candidate?
Give us a call at Outdoor Legacy, we’ll be glad to help and we’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
How does the ts19-256 look compared to the tc19-256? Can't find any videos of the tc19-256 mounted at various ranges.
We do NOT recommend or sell any clip ons. They will never compete with the scope version.
@TheLateNightVisionShow alright thanks, I did not know that. Are any of them worth it at a certain price point, or it doesn't matter the scope version will always be better regardless? Cause I thought it would be nice to be able to take any rifle instead of having a designated rifle for it.
We have come a long way from the RXQ30V @22mm 1.6 base mag for 2 Grand. Wow!
No question at all! The thermal technology keeps getting better and better and less expensive!
Could you use the iray bolt th50c on an ar15 platform or would you have issues with the eye relief? I heard someone say its more for bolt guns and doesn't work well with the ar platforms
Oh man that’s terribly wrong info. A 30mm tube thermal scope, like the Bolt, Adder, Thermion etc will work on any platform. It is by far the most versatile style of optic on the market. We used AR’s 95% of the time and we use 30mm tube based scopes 95% of the time.
It’s the small compact scopes that can give you problems on any rifle with a fixed stock. It’s not that it won’t ever work but it’s definitely a gamble and not what that style scope was made for.
Call us we’d love to help! 877-350-1818
These thermals can be used as a clip on in front of the actual scope right?
No sir they cannot. They are dedicated rifle scopes. The clip ons are separate models and a terrible investment. Avoid clips ons at all costs.
why avoid clip ons?
@@timothy____1989 yeah I figured out how to do it, I had to align the thermal to my day time scope, zero the thermal first then check my day time optic. Then move my cross hairs to my thermal radical and write down my clicks to get to the thermal cross hairs. The military has done this for years and think it’s a better option for a more rounded hunter anyway
@@sandman3246 thanks-interesting!
@ thanks!
Please forgive me if it's a stupid question: Can I use it on a Maverick 88 shotgun?
This is a question that you’ll need to ask AGM directly. Shotguns have really really nasty recoil, a lot more than most rifle calibers. AGM has upped their recoil ratings but they aren’t giving specific rifle ratings or giving the rating in ft/lbs so its it’s a little difficult to say for sure. Sorry we don’t have an exact answer but we suspect it to be a “no”. Thank you for watching
@@TheLateNightVisionShow thanks!
@@TheLateNightVisionShow Can you adequately observe through a window and window screen with these? Thanks!
@stevegunn9971 not the creators but you can't use thermal through glass. So the window would need to be open. I've never tried thermal with the window screen but my pvs 14 looks grainy through a window screen.
@@carlh4350 That's good to know, thanks for the reply!
We only get to hunt hog once or twice a year, and we go to back woods of Georgia.
The longest shot we take is 50 yards.
Is 2.5 mag too much?
2.5x is more than we’d generally suggest but in this price range it’s as good as you’re going to get and you can definitely make due with it. Give us a call if you’d like to discuss is more, we’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
It’s a stand alone scope with crosshairs, correct? This means I need to zero it, so if I’m in the field and the battery dies, when I swap out the battery(íes?), does it lose its zero?
Correct it is a scope and needs to be zeroed just like a daytime optic. Like a cell phone, laptop or other electronic item, your data including zeroing information is saved to internal memory so removing the batteries or having the battery die etc does not affect your zero or other saved data. Thanks for watching.
@ Thank you for your answer! My entry-level IR scope from a few years back is now a paperweight for this reason. Nothing was mentioned in the owners manual about battery life nor the need to record your x-y zero location on paper, & it never occurred to me as a newbie to need to do so. So I spent weeks making time to go to the range, planning a trip to meet my buddy to thin out some coyotes, drive 3 hours one way, we set up, and 2 hours after dark my batteries die (~50° F)No problem thinks I and I pop in 4 new AAs, only to discover the scope back at factory settings, crosshairs WAY off!😡 too late for me to return it, customer service just shrugged and said, yea, so? it made me so angry I absolutely refuse to ever do business with that scope mfg no matter how “good” aproduct they might make in the future. No, it was not AGM.
I hear VERY few reviewers talk about battery life, and Nobody addresses what-ifs under field conditions, e.g. 50°F night with no moon, pitch dark, and you left your spare external battery pack at home. How long will they last if I use the scope continuously to scan? Can I change the batteries inthe pitch black (say I also forgot my headlamp back in truck), by feel, without a tool? Is there a danger of dropping the battery door inthe high grass where I’ll never find it without ruining my night vision? Not all of us can shoot hogs off our back porch, so I’d love to see & hear some real - world use scenarios.
Thanks again for your answer, sounds like the technology has progressed quite a ways!👍🏼
Making me want to change my daughters 25-256 for the V2
The batteries and higher refresh rate are nice upgrade for sure. Thanks for watching!
@@TheLateNightVisionShow looks like a little bit better picture quality to me also over the version 1
Yes sir it is!
I have a remote cabin and just want to be able to identify what’s out there 100 yards in.
@@redbarron6574 probably be right up your alley in my opinion if thats it
Rattler ts19-256 vs thor lt
Which one is better
AGM 110% of the time.
Good video
Will this work with my sig Tango 6 optic in front
No sir it will not, it’s not a clip on. It’s a dedicated scope. You’ll do WAY better with a dedicated scope vs a clip-on. Trust us…clip-ons are not a good investment.😎
Could you take off the eye piece and use it as a clip on?
No sir you cannot. These models are dedicated rifle scopes only.
I would love to buy one but I don't think you guys ship to Canada...
No sir it is against US federal law. Sorry we can’t help.
That's so weird they can't be shipped to Canada. We literally are allowing all sorts of criminals into our country from all over the world, yet we can't facilitate such a transaction between US and Canadian citizens lol. And a Canadian citizen could just come to the US and buy it here, I'm assuming. So nothing seems to make sense anymore - correct me if I'm off track
Yeah I literally did that and didn't have a problem
@@isaach165 i would not admit breaking international arms trafficking laws. If you did not have an export permit, end user certificate, import permit, and itar shipment paperwork.
@hakimcameldriver what are you talking about? I had read through the import laws and been in contact with the border all before hand. Pretty sure they wouldn't have let me pay duty on it if I did something illegal.
Will it hold up on a air rifle?
Yes it will. No issues other than making sure you have a collapsible stock or a stock short enough to get your eye up close enough to the eyepiece on the scope. Give us a call if you have more questions. We’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818
I have a RXQ 30 pulsar that is garbage I will sell it cheap.
It is by FAR FAR a better image quality than the 256 resolution thermals.
How much you want for it?
Gentlemen, thank you... I hear you and understand the philosophy of use. Not sure I usderstand the your logic unless your a long-range show and store... ONLY. Here's the thing, just like any other non-thermal/NV scope... isn't it up to the buyer to decide what they need? Do ya'll sell anything else designed for 100yrs and in?
There must be confusion…..we explain the realistic usage of every scope we review from $399 to $10,000. Since 99% of thermals on the market are good for 200 yards or more, we want potential customers to know what they are getting before they spend their money. 256 resolution thermals (like these) have an industry return rate of 10x of all 384 and 640 thermals. The reason is simply that people do not understand what they are buying and they believe they are getting a $2500 quality thermal for under $1000. This is a giant misconception and we believe as a good dealer we want our customers to know exactly what they are getting before they spend their money and be pleasantly surprised if anything, when it arrives.
We do want the buyer to make their own decision but they need to be informed so they can make a good decision. And to answer your question, every NV and thermal scope we sell besides these have the easy potential for 200+ yard shots. So 256 optics are the are the outliers on the market. Even $399 NV scopes are good for 200+ yards.
We hope this explanation helps. Thanks for watching.
What's the vehicle detection range on these you think?
Just detecting and not ID’ing….a long long ways. We honestly don’t have many places in our area that we can see that far but we’d guess you could detect the heat off a vehicle at 1000+ yards but you would know if it was a cow, a truck or a barn.