The Anime Series That I Actually Enjoy | Extra Punctuation
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Extra punctuation is honestly the best thing to have happened to this channel since Zero Punctuation. All of these are great. Thank you Yahtze, and especially thank you Matt
Don’t forget to check out Adventure is Nigh too if you haven’t! Yahtzee likes to roll Nat 1s and see the chaos ensue.
@@theescapist Love That Series It's Never Boring That's For Sure
@@BluntsNBeatz Don't need to know tabletop for this one. Just enjoy the comedy!
@@theescapist But can he also roll Matt 1s?
I second that
Had no idea EP's visuals were done by someone else, and I feel like that's a demonstration of talent right there. Well done Matt!
Yeah, it usually fits so well with the episodes, I don't think twice about it.
I on the other hand, had no idea that yahzee still did his own visuals for zero. thought he would have hired a guy to do it for him considering how popular it is
@@snailorgy Same, I thought he stopped doing the visuals years ago
After this long doing it, it's probably pretty easy.
@@UnreasonableOpinions It's pretty dense in visual gags though, which often deviate from the script even. Yahtzee has some serious work ethic
Matt including "Well I wasn't going to let him trash Castlevania now was I" is the best possible defense of that mistake.
"well I wasn't going to let him trash Castlevania now was I"
I knew nothing of Matt the editor before this video and I know he is a man of impeccable taste
Where was this one?
@@garr_inc At the end, when Yahtzee mentioned The Witcher. Matt appeared on the side.
@@spongebobfan78 Thanks!
Castlevania is absolutely excellent. I still think about just how good it is every time it's brought up and I'm incredibly picky and critical of stuff I watch generally.
Legit the one reason I got a Netflix subscription was to watch Castlevania.
The theory that Yahtzee was bitten by a wereweeb is making more and more sense
spoiler alert: he was the roommate from the dorm
@@ironbila28 but where was his fedora? He needs that to go with the weeb look, if he’s just the fat bearded weeb without one!
Love the implication that weebs aren't human.
@@BFedie518 They're not.
@@alex.g7317 That’s why Yahtzee’s avatar wears a trilby
By mentioning Gankutsuou, you've attracted the twelve people who make up it's fandom.
"There's dozens of us!!"
"DOZENS!!"
I don't know if Yahtzee is saying "Animes" on purpose to fright the weeaboos or on accident from genuine lack of awareness, but either way it's hilarious and I approve.
100% it's on purpose. Yahtzee has clearly been around people who watch anime and are familiar with the culture before, and even confessed to partly growing up with it. It's a deliberate choice and I wholeheartedly approve of it.
Yeah he knows what he’s doing, the scamp.
My inner web cringed every time lol
Have to frighten the weeaboos away, leaves more waifu for the rest of us. . . um, *ducks and hides*
All in seriousness, I agree. The way it's said is pretty funny. Comedic timing is a lost art. . . to some.
It’s on purpose for sure, but why would it involve a lack of awareness or a need to scare anyone away? Animes is perfectly correct. Multiple anime shows. Animes. It shows up in common talk, with or without weebs as well
And the reason I say it’s valid is because it’s a perfectly valid English plural. Anime is, at least at this point, if not always, an English world, so the plural being animes is perfectly valid. It’s one of those that goes either way, I’m sure, where you can pluralize it but don’t need to and it usually does great in context anyway
"Cromartie High School" is a certified classic, unironically funny, and even has a strong English dub to boot. Can't think of anyone I wouldn't recommend it to.
The english dub was surprisingly good for its time. I remember watching it on the "Anime Network" in like 2003 or something. I regret not buying the box copy of it back in the day when it was only $30
@@SushiLord89 it's up there with Baccano! where dubs are absolutely mandatory.
> Dub
Ishygddt
"Mm hm hmmhmm hm hm HM Hm mmm
Mm hm hmmhmm hm hm HM Hm mmm
Mm hm hmmhmm hm hm HM Hm mmm"
IIRC there was some discussion on some japanese image board over if the english dub was superior some years ago.
I think there is even a version of the English dub with Japanese subs, which only sells the argument further..
respect for Gankutsuou, that is a little known one, surreal and pretty creative with ideas
Not to mention how great the inspiration is, Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorite novels
Yeah, outside of not really loving the ending, I think it's a super underrated series. It's very distinct and visually atmospheric in a way that really stuck with me. Watched it on a whim years ago, and was bummed to hear that hardly anyone seems to have heard of it.
I’ve never watched much anime but I *have* watched this series, and the visuals are just stunning. Anything else that’s up its ally that people could recommend?
@@Nomadar it's a completely different genre, but Tatami Galaxy is the only other anime I've seen that equally knocks the stunning visuals out of the park like Gankutsuou. Super beautiful show, you might enjoy!
@@YorkJonhson Honestly, more than the ending, I was put off how much of a dweeb Albert is. Book Albert is confident to the point of stupidity and quite impulsive. In Gankutsuou, he's a weak-willed undecisive crybaby like every fucking shounen protagonist, which takes away from it a bit.
Love to editor Matt. Cheers, bud!
It's heartwarming to see someone at the Escapist taking the piss out of their #1 star.
Yes. I kinda figured out you didn't edit the videos when, in the Horizon Forbidden West EP, you mentioned how Garett was a well-written protagonist in Thief and the accompanying visuals were from Thief 2014. Although admittedly, my immediate theory was "oh god he finally snapped".
EDIT : Also, as a french person, the amount of joy to hear "Gerard Depardieu" pronounced by Yathzee was way higher than even I would have expected.
I know that Yathz took quite a few french lessons a few years back, during his "let's drown out..." period, so I'm not too surprised about him having watched some movies in that language.
It's weird that he could pronounce "Gerard Depardieu", but despite it actually being the topic of the episode, he couldn't pronounce "Gankutsuou" correctly.
@@ArcaneAzmadi he did not pronounce Depardieu correctly. Too much ou in the eu. Just like there was too much oo and not enough oh in the ou of gankutsuou
@@teecee1827 Well that's less weird then.
@@ArcaneAzmadi Well actually...
I gotta say that he could not. I even doubt I would have understood it if I just heard him say that out of context.
"When someone simultaneously loses their mind and runs out of their animation budget" - The perfect way to summarise Evangelion. Major kudos for the Gankutsuou and Planetes appreciation.
Cromartie felt so very personally tailored to me and my tastes that sometimes it feels like I hallucinated it. Thank you for the validation
You might like Gintama when it doesn’t enter Shonen anime bullshit
Same, I actually had to show it to my mate just to make sure I hadn’t made it up in my own head XD
Cromartie was the first anime I liked, besides cowboy bebop and dragon ball z
The faces and even the random humor kinda reminds me JJBA which is a huge plus for me
I've never heard of it before, and I must admit Yahtzee has piqued my interest
Digging the writer's point of view on the strengths of Cowboy Bebop. It's nice to hear a more sober appreciation of the show. The fact that the Cowboy Bebop movie is one of my Mom's favorite movies, is a sign of the show's universal appeal.
Sometimes Yahtzee really puts his talents as a writer on display. He creates an entire video that gives insight into his interests and thought processes, and highlights clarifies and reiterates the problems with repetative boring and/or problematic features within the anime subgenre... all so he can tell pedantic fans to not @ him about small mistakes or complaints about the visuals of his videos XD
Calling anime a subgenre instead of a medium is exactly what's gonna get the pedantic weeks after you
...
And I'm one of them, how dare you
@@DaveUnknown animation is the medium, anime is a style of animation, that often comes with a great deal of cultural and subcultural tropes and repeated themes that have become intrinsically tied to it. Ergo, anime is a subgenre of animation. Pedant uno reversal! :p
Gotta love Matt for keeping Yahtzee's indiscriminate yet unintentional stabs away from Castlevania. What a show.
Except the 3rd season where nothing much happened with Alucard.
@@battlefront1987 Seriously, all of season 3 besides St. Germain felt like shameless filler.
The first half of season 2 also had terrible pacing.
Yeah some characters weren't good and some characters arc were too fast
While I personally think Netflix calling that Castlevania series and other co-productions "anime" is kind of... academic dishonesty for lack of better words - spearheaded by Western creators outside of anime's native Japan (where Konami brass were otherwise trying to soil the company's legacy up to that point, BTW) - but I've heard mostly good things for that as a different take on Castlevania, which at least led Konami to greenlight the recent collections for Castlevania and Contra
(still waiting for them to say sorry for screwing Kojima and so many other employees for the "ex-Kon" bull, but baby steps, I suppose)
@@battlefront1987he became his father. A dangerous loner in his castle, hanging up dead bodies as a warning for visiters.
Yahtzee is like: "I'm not a weeb. I hate weebs. I only ever enjoyed a small number of anime in my life. In fact I hate anime more than most people"
Honestly that sounds like every anime-fan I've ever met.
I consider myself an optimist. So I choose to believe idiots who enjoy things blindly aren’t actually the normal ones.
That is me and every anime fan i know as well.
y'all sound miserable, animation is awesome
@LTNetjak Which is why Yahtz said he only hates most of it. Which is fair, because most of it is copy/pasted trash. You have to remember that anime is a _product,_ made to _sell_ to consumers. That's why so much of it is the same, better to play at the same tropes that sell merchandise than to be bold and try something new.
...which is why I'm surprised he didn't put Evangelion as one of his top 3, as it's specifically all about rejecting the normal power fantasy tropes of other animes. Fuck's sake, the creator of it even said he was seriously depressed when he realized most fans only cared about the "waifus" and big robot fights. The show is packed to the brim with "go outside" messages for a reason. The creator himself even hated weebs and hikkikomoris.
@@yourethatmantis5178 I'm not a weeb, I just love animation, and Japan just happens to have a neverending stream of it. But I do hate a lot of the same tropes that Yahtzee hates, especially the sexualization of minors. I get that it's targeting teens, but that doesn't make it any less uncomfortable since a lot of the people watching are also adults.
I was a little surprised at the mention of One Punch Man. Speaking of, I wonder if Mob Psycho 100 would be to Yahtzee's taste.
As someone who has watched both and preferred One Punch Man (though Mob was still good), I'd say that it all depends. While both are action-comedies, they are very different otherwise.
I think he would? Mix of supernatural and the mondain, good comedy, no sexualization of minors, …
Those are at least a few reason why I think he would like it
I enjoyed the first season of One Punch Man and recently decided to give Mob a try. I know a fair bit about what makes the latter interesting so I thought I'd like it but I couldn't reach the point where Mob showed up lol. I liked the weird couple who will never appear again and I understand what makes Reagan awesome, but I just didn't jive with the initial jokes... mostly made me feel uncomfortable and disinterested. I could see the build up, it just made me say "get on with it." I might try again sometime but I still haven't finished Odd Taxi (5 episodes into that one) and some other stuff. I think there might be another Aggretsuko season out by now too. Maybe I'm just weird IDK.
Mob Psycho doesn't dip in the second season so I would say probably? I don't think S2 of OPM is that inferior but I can certainly see why he'd mention it. MP100 is just excellent through and through. It's all about hitting the strongest and most impactful emotional beats to the point where arcs and episodes are themed visually and narratively around emotional peaks of an unlikely protagonist. It's still "anime" but in a very self-conscious way and it doesn't commit any typical sins like overt fan service. It takes what's special about the emotional climax of Shonen anime and just owns it.
@@gwen9939 You make me wanna give Mob Psycho another chance sooner haha. Thank you for explaining that. :)
I could go for more "things Yahtzee likes" in all honesty. I value his opinion on games since in the past they often mirrored my own. And I'm now very curious about anime number 2.
No wonder Yahtzee likes Yakuza. Yakuza is just Cromartie Highschool post graduation.
Holy shit you’re right
For someone who claims to dislike anime, I have to say, you have good taste Yahtzee.
I would never expected him to like one punch man, but then again it’s a parody of shonen and comic book done well to the point that anybody can appreciate it
That's the paradox of anime. If you like it too much, your taste is probably shit and your recs are unreliable.
@@Vladimirwlr1234 Thats not a paradox of anime, that is mostly because people being stuck in a niche.
Same goes for people in any media. Like only watching Horror movies and preaching about them all the time, or playing only competitive shooters, or rts games.
Also, your own interest are what you know best. So you most likely try to recommend stuff you like to others first. The probkem is that often times people then don't reconize that their tastes are vastly different but still try to recommend "their" favorite stuff.
Good luck with the "no recommendations please" thing, Yahtz. I throw that out there right away when engaging in conversation with friends/coworkers but they will always do it anyway, like their body will be found twisted and mangled in seven days if they don't.
This is the best way I can explain it without pouring way too much effort into it.
Professors that previously only interact with other academics have the exact same problem to weebs that have social lives with non-weebs, nobody they're currently talking to knows even a tenth as much as they do and they have to get everyone else up to speed before the next conversation.
Honestly, I wouldn't even know what to recommend to someone who likes this combination of anime. Bebop + Planetes is the only pattern that comes up, but anime rarely does even semi-hard sci-fi any more, so these two are extreme outliers. The only one that comes to mind is, like, Mars Daybreak, an anime about submarine pirates on a rapidly terraforming Mars.
@@ikaemos There is plenty of non-robot scifi animes. The list of them without fanservice is REALLY low though. Of this list though NONE of them can compare to Cowboy Bebop. That show was some sort of magnum opus with amazing writing, voice acting, music, animation, and fight choreography. I still listen to the Bebop soundtrack in my car as part of my music list, because getting harmonica rhythmic blues mixed with scifi undertones is impossible to find.
I love how already there are multiple comments saying "I know he said no recommendations, *but* ..."
It’s nice to see Yahtzee talking about things he likes. I get that his whole persona is angry foul-mouthed hater of most things, which works and is funny, not to mention, negative things get more clicks, but it can get depressing eventually. It makes the positive episodes stand out all the more and they always feel like a treat.
As someone that has done his best to move past his full "weeb" phase that got me a Black Belt, a language, and a lifting PR that passed 1500lb in my prime, I can say that I fully appreciate Yahtzee's transparency with anime.
There are very few series that catch my eye anymore and most of them are the wholesome type that have token fan service, if any.
Are you saying you lifted 1,500 lbs?
@@Yanglock On Leg Press, yes, but for powerlifting, your PR is often conveyed as a total of your One-Rep Max on Bench Press (350lb), Barbell Back Squat (545lb), and Barbell Deadlift (615lb).
Yeah man, like 1,500lbs net across your major lifts or are you saying you ripped a 3/4ton deadlift without an audience?
I'm basically the same. I have the equivalent of 4-5 years of Japanese studying under my belt even though I never use it anymore, and that's because of anime and manga. I'm now pretty selective as to what I actually watch. I'll give most anything at least a look, but it has to really catch my interest to keep me watching for more than a few episodes.
@@SolaScientia same here, last anime I watched in full was partially cause of friends convincing me and that was 6 months ago. Definitely still some great ones out there, too bad I’ve watch most of those tho
One thing I’ve found similar is JRPG’s or VN’s. 99% of them are cringe, boring, or just not for me, but those few that are good? Damn they unironically have some of the best writing I’ve seen, across multiple mediums when examined in full. Yakuza is my favorite for sure, but Xenoblade, Zero Escape, Three Houses/Hopes, and a few others are amazing and top tier too. Playing through AI Somnium Files and it’s pretty good, and from what I hear 13 Sentinels is another story that can be put up there with the greats of sci-fi from any medium
Cromartie High School and Excel Saga were totally unexpected.
Nice.
I literally paused the video and yelled to myself "EXCEL FUCKING SAGA, YAHTZEE?!?!"
Hail Il Palazzo, bitches
"Excel Saga"
Alright, absolutely no doubt any more, Yahtzee just has impeccable taste and knows true culture.
Exactly. Excel Saga is art.
Such a Fascinating Series
Dies from blood cough
I think that was the first comedy anime I purchased back in the early 00s
I remember watching Excel Saga on hardsubbed VHS tapes in undergrad anime club waaaaay the hell back in 2002. First show that ever made me laugh so hard that I almost couldn't breathe, still one of the all-time giants of comedy anime.
If there's one thing that takes me right out of an anime, its the 'fan service' trope. It feels a little patronizing if I'm honest, because I'm perfectly willing to watch a compelling anime without, as Yahtzee puts it, sexually assaulting the women with the camera.
I think the anime without fan service are the realistic ones for children, the mundane adult ones and those for girls. A few out of a hundred are interesting.
As i've grown up and watched too many anime (probably), i've found that the more enjoyable shows aren't the typical shounen-action pieces but rather the historical/cultural shows and SOL-shoujo.
It almost feels like any show meant for teens must have blatant fan-service, I suppose it does sell.
I don't even mind fan service as long as it's for that scene, don't ruin a dramatic or comedic scene with just tits and the same flustered punch joke we've seen a million times
Or the women sexually assaulting the camera...
@@11equalsfish do you have an example of the "realistic ones for children"?
I feel like you can make the same point on how it's easy for an outsider to think all anime is the same with videogames. If someone just looks at the medium as a whole that person will probably think it's unimaginative and the same all the time, but a person that actually plays a lot of games can tell you about great titles that are completely outside those norms.
No Matt, you weren't going to let him trash Castlevania, and for that we thank you
Onscreen arguments between writers and editors is my favourite part of RUclips.
Actually, this puts me through an epiphany. Yahtzee didn't really cover alot of Japanese games but that seemed to change with Yakuza 4, which also fits the same bill as Cromartie High School, a seed that ultimately lead Yahtzee to covering more Japanese games that ultimately led to his current obsession with Persona 5 and his further appreciation for the Yakuza series.
I never realized he was already a weeb back then, I can't believe it.
“Yahtzee’s a weeb?”
“Always has been”
I have a similar liking for Cowboy Bebop, a visual style in stories that take place on spaceships that I've always liked is what I've heard called the "Used Future", where everything is really blocky and a bit shitty and secondhand looking and gives the impression of being lived-in, like how the interior of Serenity is very cramped and brown-looking, or all the ships in the Star Wars OT are very blocky and not very sleek, Iit makes settings feel more immersive IMO.
I was not expecting number 3 and Yahtzee has immediately shot up in my estimation. 😱
I'm sure he'll sleep better at night knowing that a weeb approves of his life choices. 🙃
Number 3 makes perfect sense considering his fascination with the Yakuza franchise. The way he describes both series is essentially 1:1.
Also was not expecting Excel Saga as an honorable mention, but I greatly approve.
You earned bonus points for Excel Saga's mention. The opening theme got randomly stuck in my head the other day, first time in like ten years.
Also - unfortunately for you, Yahtzee, we must now have more Matt and you must write him into more scripts. More Matt please. Thank you.
Well, this video was adorable.i thank Yahtzee for letting us know a bit more about himself and I thank Matt for all his hard work.
Excel Saga. I could not have seen that coming for a mile, hell yes! It’s a surprise but a well deserved one. Gotta love how much of the show’s humor is from lovingly mocking otaku and anime’s own history.
This makes a lot more sense. The Shonen examples from last episode threw me off in so many ways.
Great work on these Matt! I'm glad he called you out so you can kind of become a background character in these things. I think it'll add to the charm and personality of the episodes, as it definitely did here.
I've always liked you, Yahtzee, but my esteem for you has greatly increased after your mention of Lexx. It's a bit of a time and place show, and probably doesn't hold up as well to more modern stuff, but man it was something to behold when it came out.
Actually I think Lexx might 'hold up' better than something like, say, Star Trek Enterprise - while mainstream shows can and do naturally age over time, Lexx was insane when it first came out, and it hasn't gotten any less insane in the interim. The look and the visual effects don't matter, because it _always_ looked cheap.
@@KillahMate Oh yeah, Enterprise is a wet fart compared to Lexx. I was more meaning even crazy shows like The Boys that have all the craziness, and ALSO have a budget. Still though, it looking like a relic of a bygone era of TV doesn't diminish it. The effects on Babylon 5 didn't age the best either, but that's still an amazing show well because it also had something to say and a personality to it.
Plus, ain't no amount of low res CGI or cardboard sets gonna lessen the impact of the Hymn of the Brunnen-G!
The new Dune movie made me think of Lexx because it had this weird combo of balloons and spaceships in a desert lol
I also want to add Preacher to this small "crazy weird modern TV shows" pile.
"Bums in space" is a great category, explains my love of the anime Planetes
*Edit, lol didn't realize he mentions it at the end
Mentioning Cromartie Highschool makes me think of what would happen if Yahtzee decided to jump down the Gintama rabbithole.
While it gets heavy into shonen anime bullshit later in the series, the bulk of it is a similar kind of surreal contrast humor
Its also a spin on the "cowboys in space" concept, "samurais in space" if you will. Complete with "misfits trying to get by" and everything.
@@tomasparant8901 Kinda, since most of the show takes place on Earth.
I was thinking the same thing! Gintama is a comedic goldmine the likes of which are hard to find. It also lacks all the "sexy" tropes that Yahtzee dislikes so much (I hate them too).
@@CrazyHand7894 Unfortunately it doesn't. As much as I love Gintama and would still recommend it to anyone it certainly has its points where it's guilty of some anime BS. It's not with many main characters outside of Sarutobi but it does occur sporadically, and it has a few unfortunate caricatures of queer people that are pretty distasteful. Still, it shouldn't be enough to turn anyone away from it, even someone who's as reflexive of this stuff as I know I can be. It's still relatively rare.
Same thought. But knowing him it’s probably too long. Though it is one of the better things to come out of shounen.
Anime is such a weird thing to me these days. When I was younger, if it was Japanese, I was all for it - figurines and statues, wall scrolls, box sets, conventions, you name it (except body pillows. they're just not my thing). It wasn't until I got older and my likes and dislikes became more refined that I realized I'm in a similar boat: many series and games tend to rely on specific tropes and themes that I'm just not a fan of.
I don't give a fuck about Senran Kagura's Yumi trying to be "the perfect housewife". Let's explore the Crimson Squad being a bunch of broke ass ninjas getting into wacky hijinks while trying to make ends meet!
Same, tho I’ll try anything before dropping it if I can. The few truly Japanese games, as in JRPG’s or VN’s, that I think are actually extremely well written are Yakuza, Xenoblade, Zero Escape, Three Houses/Hopes, and a few I’m checking out now like AI Somnium Files and 13 Sentinels
Finding good anime is way easier, but that’s cause there’s more good ones and the good ones are more known online than the good Japanese games
Maybe your taste is telling you to just get into DnD and leave other's needing to do your storytelling for you behind.
Thank you for the recommendations! I'm a pretty big anime fan myself, but I love when people introduce me to a title I've never heard of. So thanks for the suggestions.
Bless you Matt for spawning this video.
As a "Complete fucking weeb" (let's just say I have perpetual pre-orders in place for English volumes of my favorite manga) I fully understand where you're coming from. The more "Non-contextual" fan service an anime or manga (especially one with a younger main cast) has the more likely I am to drop it or at least lower my rating. I specify non-contextual because there are times when it *can* make sense, especially if it's something like a male character getting caught ogling a swimsuit ad by his GF, this serves more to prove that the male teenager is in fact a male teenager than anything.
Fortunately there seems to be a shift in the industry that means that either:
1. More shows that have less fan-service are being made
2. More shows with less fan-service are actually making it to the states.
Or most likely: a combination of the above.
I do appreciate you taking the time to clarify and expand upon your personal anime preferences. Gankutsuou has been on my "I need to watch this" list for a while and I think it just bumped itself up.
I think a lot of these shows were never meant to have a wider audience, and only gain traction because anime is still scarce enough for some people to desperately keep track of anything that comes out. If there's a change coming, it's likely due to it expanding, possibly thanks to streaming services combined with tons of bored quarantined people.
I had a feeling that the visuals were done by someone else. Yahtzee makes sprites of video game characters instead of using an actual image of the character. Sometimes he doesn't, his review of silent hill 4 is one example.
Did you know that Star Trek started with the idea of making a western in space?
Specifically the type of 'Caravan trek' western, exploring the frontier and meeting new peoples
I’m a fan of surreal humor as well, so to see you include Cromartie and Excel in the video was a pleasant surprise! Bobobo is similar while also being a spoof of shonen action-adventure series.
I agree with Yahtzee on his favorites. It’s all very good taste. I will say that I think a lot of anime has gone downhill or it’s just incredibly harder to find shows made by inspired artists that don’t just devolve into skirt peeking or boob bouncing or even the “uh oh I accidentally transformed into something inconvenient” trope. I recently found the japanese director Masaki Yuasa to be a really good one and his work seems to come from a place of passion. The Tatami Galaxy, Mindgame, and even the recent Inu-Oh are all fascinating and so different. It’s been hard for me to not recommend him to others tired of the usual anime genres.
I thought I had recently found out that he didn't do the visuals for Zero Punctuation either, and it really changed my perspective on how much the visual elements enhance the comedy. It's nice to find out I was wrong. Not even sure where I got that impression now
I think Yahtzee had made reference in a previous video to Matt doing the visuals and someone in the comments expressed surprise in a way that suggested they interpreted it to mean Yahtzee didn't do the visuals on ZP in addition to EP.
Love the animated interaction between Matt and Yahtze. Extra Punctuation is my favorite thing on RUclips at the moment
The fact that Yhatzee knows about Garth Marenghis Dark place warms my cold cold heart
There are so many anime that have an elephant in the room problem. They can be a spectacular visual medium but there is typically at least one hold up that if you are not on board with it can jettison someone from any desire to keep watching. Where it be the sexualization like in kill la kill, problematic creators like with kenshin, or just the language barrier changing the experience depending on how you choose to experience it. It's unfortunate and awkward, especially if you grow accustom to it and forget that "oh it's just anime stuff" can really blind side someone not as used to the tropes and tendencies.
Recently I watch Mushoko Tensei great anime with great, great characters, world building, and animation but featured a unsavory protagonist that does some VERY uncomfortable stuff. And while I think this aspect serves the narrative as a whole. It makes it impossible to recommend to others in fear completely bouncing off and thinking I support this kind of unsavory content. I felt it with this anime the most but there usually at least one(usually to varying degrees) moments of "yikes this is cringe"
That's a fantastic way of putting it, there are plenty of manga series that I love reading, but almost all of them have some really dumb quality that I've learned to selectively ignore in order to enjoy the rest of it.
Like how Dr. Stone's characters are drawn in a really clean pretty traditional anime artsyle even though despite their technology they're living in the wilderness 24/7 and should be much more roughed up and dirty from manual labour, manufacturing technology and getting into fights. It was pretty dumb when they 'invented' makeup for one of the women and she looked basically the same after applying it because she was already designed to look like a conventional 'hot' anime babe.
@@MrDredme Mushoku Tensei is a fantastic example. It looks incredible and fantstical but any mention of that lead just throws an anchor on the discussion. Being said the most awkward oversight ive ever seen was when an anime club was showing otaku no video in a public library and everyone had blotted the adult video addict from their memories. So that got put on a 12 foot screen.
My all time favourite anime is Serial Experiments Lain. It's one of those anime that you can't really explain without giving more insight to the story itself, so I'll just give these vague remarks:
It's more Persona than the Persona anime adaptions, and its end solution is basically the main character calling someone out for having "dude trust me" as their source. I will not give any further elaboration than that.
Cromartie was a DVD I own that I constantly watched over and over again in my youth, mad respect for mentioning it and for being a favorite.
“One punch man before S2.”
I’m with ya, Yahtz
I hope Matt becomes a recurring part of Extra Punctuation humorously giving his two cents on some of Yahtzee’s hotter takes.
Woah, Excel Saga, it was a little too out there and hectic for me, but that's interesting Yahtzee likes it
I don't remember Outlaw Star having a ton of moments where they put the girls in those kinds of situations and I felt like what there is in Samurai Chsmploo was in actual brothels, a context that makes sense.
lol out star had a those moments. While some work in context it does have very unnecessary moments. Transformations that rip clothes off. Naked girl in a tube. And a literal hotspring episode that severed almost no purpose but fan service.
@@Alexander-the-Mediocre That's why I prefaced it with words that express a fuzzy memory. I haven't seen it since it aired on Toonami.
well he did say he liked surrel humour a tad and Excel saga's humour is so out there that it actually ends with the final episode purposely doign whatever it can to go as far as possible with everythign they could get away with, regardless of good taste, censorship, or whether or not the plot makes any sense. Bcause the show's over anyway, why not jsut go all out.
Great work, Matt! We appreciate your hard work.
You have excellent taste in anime & would get along quite well with most of my friends who started the anime club at our local college in the early 2000s.
One of my favorite anime that's basically unrecognizable as an anime would be The Tatami Galaxy. I only wish I was better at internalizing the core message lmao.
Sell me on it
@@wallmartdragonlink2513 It's a Madhouse anime. It's directed by Masaaki Yuasa. It's a short show with basically no wasted run time, which is important because it's partially about feeling like you're wasting your youth.
It's incredibly dense, literally, because the MC talks stupid quick, to comical effect. The resolution is earned and satisfying. Art style and animation are charming and unforgettable. There's nothing else like it to my knowledge aside from a spiritual sequel I haven't watched yet.
@@MchlNvrr I am aways paranoid that I am waisting my youth.Does it push that paranoia further.Ngl I was depressed for a month after watching Evangalion.Does it had a similar lasting "sting" like that?
@@MchlNvrr I put it in my watchlist either way.
This is probably your best Extra Punctuation yet, well done you (and Matt). I was jumping when you mentioned Gankutsuou.
That said its star trekky but you might like Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
There will never be a point in Yahtzee's life where he has enough spare time to watch all of LOTGH (but yes, it is fantastic)
That count of monte cristo thing looks incredible, i bet it looks amazing in motion! Thanks for talking about your unusual taste, i think a lot of people who're Into anime could stand to broaden their horizons
It's very unique in it's visuals, that's for sure
It certainly has an interesting aesthetic. Although there is some rather hideous CG in it as well. Gonzo was kind of notorious for that. But it’s not as prevalent in _Gankutsuou_ as it is in some of their other shows throughout the 00s
For anime, there are some studios that are known for certain aesthetics they use and auteurs in their production staff, and then there are studios that can make an adaptation for the budget you give them. BTW, the preponderance of anime "movies" in the last decade was a neat trick animation studios figured out to get a short-term recurring income stream for properties that would otherwise earn the bulk of the animation studio money from physical DVD/BD sales in the Japanese home market. Other stakeholders like the broadcaster, the music label, the license holder, etc made their money on their part of the production.
I'm not a big anime watcher, I usually watch the big ones that reach higher in the cultural conscious like attack on titan or death note but I was really pleasantly surprised to see I wasn't the only one who saw gankutsuo or cromartie high and liked them lol
3:01 As someone who has only ever watched 1 anime, I felt this.
I got quite into Initial D after it was recommended to me. When the protagonist pulled out a special driving trick out of their ass and said that their father taught them that years ago, I was ready to punt it out of a window.
As a child, I often watched a bit of Totally Spies. Years later I learned that some visuals in that show were similar to anime. My first thought was "so that's why I hated those bits!"
Totally spies was a really weird show if you don't know what I mean rewatch it with a Wikipedia article on fetishes open on another screen and see how many you can cross off before the series ends
I never thought about it before but Bums in Space is the perfect title for the kind of genre I like. It perfectly describes Firefly and Bebop. I love the old rustbucket ship, working class heroes goin from one job to another cuz they cant afford to put gas in the ship and the water heater on board is broken, type of thing.
MY GOSH gankutsuou now that's a blast from a heavenly past , I watched it so long ago that I forgot it's name and only remembered it as the beautiful count de mont cresto anime , it's actually what got me to read literature when I was a kid , THANK YOU for mentioning it
Every time Yatzhee talks about anime it just attracts more weebs, it’s almost like he’s doing it on purpose. Maybe he’s a Tsundere, and when he tells us he doesn’t want us to recommend him anime he actually means he does! Watch Gintama the humor is really good and deadpan like you like it Yatzh
At this point the punctuation shows are only thing keeping the channel alive, and the only audience they can expand into is weebs.
You had me until you unironically suggested he watches Gintama.
@@Pm3m_Dia sorry );
"Matt could be doing anything to me right now."
My main take away from this video is I was pleased I, a person outside of the UK, instantly recognized a picture of Vic and Bob (despite immediately doubting myself because I've never seen a picture of them so young).
Matt's visuals are great, but it's the sound effects that really make the videos. My favorite XP moment is, "...which certainly do have broad appeal--lol pun. /*ah*/"
So wait, people genuinely believed that a list containing Jujutsu Kaisen, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan and One Piece was a list of shows that don't steer into anime tropes too hard? That is a staggering lack of media literacy on their part.
Never thought of myself as an “evangelical”, but it is strangely fitting.
Neon Genesis Evangelicals are especially persistent in preaching anime's gospels...
…for better or worse.
@@OtakuMan26 On the venn diagram, the circles of 'people who aggressively promote Evangelion' and 'People who actually understood Evangelion' do not touch.
@@UnreasonableOpinions Hey, that's not exactly fair. It's a three-circle Venn and certainly the "thinks they understand evangelion" and "actually understands evangelion" are the furthest apart
@@Xatzimi i can say with some confidence that i think I understand it, but it honestly took me watching quite a few video essays on it for it to settle in.
@@UnreasonableOpinions Nah, if you like and get eva, you will want people to watch it. Just not as their first anime. There's a ton of superhero robot and tokusatsu history to it that'll make the genius episodic storyboarding go over your head. It'll still be cool (and just about anyone can understand the angst and struggle at the deeper layer, don't kid yourself) but you won't see just HOW cool. Then there's the technical layer of the show managing to get such a unique and slick visual language even within its era of samey-90s feelings. Plus mamama mia the animation. The work of whatshisface (am terrible with names) on the infamous asuka fight scene in the movie is a legendary piece of work. Good luck finding literally anything else with such an alien sense of impact and weight.
I imagine Yahtzee's too busy making new videos and being a dad to read comments, but just in case:
Thanks for clarifying! I'm with you on NGE, Bebop, Excel, and OPM, and while I haven't seen the others I've heard good things. You're spot-on about the prevalence of trope-y, generic anime, and I can't fault you for choosing not to go panning for gold, as t'were. Thanks for all the years of content!
Always had a feeling Yathz didn’t do the visuals for this series. Good to get confirmation
What got me into anime was being recommended a few different anime that did not reflect typical anime: _One Punch Man,_ _Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood_ and _Violet Evergarden_ were my first three anime. I still mainly watch atypical anime like _Golden Kamuy_ and _Spy x Family._
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood not typical? I mean it's well done but fairly typical.
@@murphy7801 For a shonen battle anime, it is rather atypical: the characters get smarter rather than stronger, there's no tournament arc, the protagonists' dad is alive, etc. It is certainly more typical than the others that I listed, but I would still consider it atypical at least to an extent.
All 5 of those are pretty stellar, and for those 3 to have been your first 3 anime must have set the bar really high!
@@Daniel-qt5ib Indeed, they did. After those first three anime, the next few anime I watched were not good. One of the ones I watched after those first three was _Code Geass,_ which had very interesting concepts but was terrible in its storytelling; the breaking point for me that made me stop watching it was a certain moment late in season 1 that had to be the worst thing I saw on TV that year (and I saw Code Geass in 2019; the same year that season 8 of Game of Thrones released). It wasn't until _Record of Grancrest War_ that I found another good anime after those first three.
You ever watch Odd Taxi?
A shadow-clad figure is sitting in front of a table in a dark office. A phone rings. The man has been waiting for this call for a long time.
"How is The Process going?", his boss asks without a greeting.
The man smiles.
"My lord, the results are outstanding. I have never felt this free and powerful! Your teachings have opened doors that I never knew existed! My weebification is almost complete!"
Tha man leans forward, his face now illuminated by moonlight, revealing him to be Yahtzee Croshaw wearing a Naruto headband.
Gankutsuo I bought. I loved that. It was so interesting and unique. Probably the first of the four series I've purchased!
Good taste, man!
Holy shit, you like Excel Saga and Cromartie High?
You have no idea how much I love those shows and how hard it is to find people who've actually watched them, that's honestly neat that you do too.
All three are among my favorites. If he'd mentioned baccano and trigun I'd have felt targeted
i have a flash drive with a rip of baccano before my discs gave up the ghost knocking around somewhere. Should dig it up and give it a watch
@@YerpyMoose As a non weeb, but a life long animation and film fanatic I can give a high recommendation for Baccano! :) Just make sure you watch the English dubbed version. Normally I would say try to see any work in their original language, but Baccano has got to have the best English dub of any anime ever and it fits the setting of its story too!
@@Silent_Depths Dorororo is pretty similar to Baccano.
I would've literally gasped if he mentioned Trigun. It's my favorite anime of all time. Stil, his picks were pretty solid.
I dunno if Yahtzee would like Baccano or not. It has a ton of personality the same way that Bebop does, but I feel like he'd have a field day poking fun at the constant timeline fuckery that leaves you unsure as to when you are.
and just when yahtzee said the words "staying up cause channel 4" I knew immedaitely we both started watching anime at the same time. We also hate the Idea of weeb and the mainstream anime life that has invested the world. Probably for different reasons. But that's cool to know.
Perfectly timed definition there Matt 😄👌
Wow. Did not expect to be reminded of Lexx today. I watched that mostly while really sleepy so I wasn't even entirely sure I didn't just dream the whole thing.
"So the end result looked like a fucking proboscus monkey."
Pretty sure that's the first time this sentence has ever been said.
It's not, he said the exact same thing in one of his Let's Drown Out videos. If memory serves, he also called it a "colossal schnoz".
@@noxteryn yeah, I think it was the one he did for Symphony of the Night.
Was the sponsor for this video just a coincidence?
Nah, not this time. We built a topic around it to fit with the sponsor.
@@theescapist Thanks for the transparency.
@@theescapist Ditto the transparency comment but also thanks as this is one of the better more tolerable versions of advertising. Thematically it didn't feel like something he wouldn't discuss without money and the actual opinions noted are (or at least seem) sincere. So we all get more of what we want and love, while The Escapist makes some bonus dollars from providing more focused advertising.
While I likely will never love advertising and prefer to just join subscription models where I can, this is perhaps one of the best forms for a necessary evil. So yeah, thanks for that.
I was happy to see Gankusuou on the list. Some people found the visual exhausting but I thought they we electrifying. To this day the show deeply inspires me as an animator. Also I loved the kiss in the end. Sempi noticed me kinda thing.
Nice touch at the end there, Matt. I whole heartedly agree with you there. 👍
GANKUTSUOUUUUUUUU ONE OF MY FAVES!!!!! I love that beautiful, amazing, fruity anime.
understandable opinions. I find myself still drawn to japanese entertainment but when anime fails to bring anything new to the table for a while I start looking at the different media. When anime gets samey, I read manga. When I run out of decent manga I double down and binge some light novel trash. Games and visual novels tend to have better, less samey plots than most stuff, but maybe I just haven't played enough to get sick of them yet.
everytime I hear about some VN tangentially It's always some crazy time travel split timeline shenanigans and then there's a brutal rape scene of one of the girls somewhere and it has just made me go "nah, I'm good". I've played the Zero Escape series and Danganronpa and while I get it's their thing the torture porn does seem a little gratuitous at times.
@@gwen9939 both of those games are by the same devs. Try steins gate, doesn't have torture porn in it. Fate stay night has regular porn in hilariously unnecessary places but depending on the version you're playing you don't have to watch it
I feel like half the tropes from the bingo sheet are, 'We need to give our protagonist Permission to do the thing this series is about,' instead of exploring, 'Here's how that might actually happen.'
Fighting monsters in an isekai is pedestrian; fighting monsters in a 7-11 is so discordant _it actually matters again._
Falling down and accidentally touching your love interest is all plausible deniability, so they don't have to write a story about people _who actually agree to touch each other._
I too prefer _grounded_ anime that's not about high schoolers, but I feel like that's become harder to find since the mid-2000s or so.
Honestly I'd just settle for more anime not about High Schoolers.
Probably a reason I like Overlord, at least that shit took the new hotness (That being Isekais.) and actually went "Yo, what if I did something completely different with this?".
Gankutsuou! For some reason i particularly liked the intro song , whatched it every time despite not even close to what i usually listen to. Somehow really touching
I've been singing praises about that Count of Monte Cristo anime adaptation for everyone that was willing to listen for years! No one I know ever heard about it before, so it's rather nice to see some love shown for it by Yahtzee of all people.
Always nice to watch someone gather the courage to come out. Even if it's gradual over the course of however many years ago p5 came out.
You and I are about the same age, and I'm actually pretty familiar with most of the anime brought up and liked them for the same reason you do. If I were to chime in with one of my favorite animes of the late 90's/ early 00's era I would have to go with Outlaw Star, like Cowboy Bebop it has some of that "bums in space" appeal and I am almost certain that Firefly drew direct inspiration from it, especially with the "girl with mysterious abilities folded up in a suitcase" character archetype that was Melphina and River.
I LOVE that you felt the NEED to make this video. It makes me laugh and smile...esp since when those shows popped up in that review I was really confused...bc there is NO WAY you are a One Piece Fan...LMAO.
Regarding the “anime trope bingo” section, I can’t believe how nobody’s talking about the use of constant flashbacks, inner monologues and overexplaining actions. I hate it when anime does that, because it signifies a lack of respect towards the audience.
To me, it’s only justified when the actions are too complicated to understand offscreen.
Perhaps this should tell you something about the intended audience?
I would explain, but I don't want to overexplain more than this. :P
I feel most of the tropes of anime come from Shonen. Shojo has their own tropes and Seinen often plays on the tropes to subert them or just doesnt have them.
yeah I love it when two characters who are flying in the air to punch eachother each have 13 minutes of flashbacks to stuff we already seen so a fight that has like 3 hits being thrown lasts over 3 episodes
Overexplaining actions and inner monologues is an old action anime trope, they don't really do it anymore. The only recent example I can think of is Jojo, and it's an adaptation of an old work.
And old comics were also doing it, it's not specific to japan
For me, that only works when it's so over the top as to be comedic. Death Note is a great example of that.
I really like it when Yahtzee describes things he likes... honestly I was never here for the "angry man hates everything" part of the show, I really just like hearing the "intellectual vulgarity" he uses to describe things, where he says something so brash in a semi-creative way, betraying the vulgarity of what he said. Kinda like how just saying vulgar things is considered one of the lowest forms of comedy due to its simplistic nature, but instead he makes it complex... it's almost kinda subversive.
Yeah.
Despite the seemingly bitter way he reviews most games, he really seems like a genuinely smart and interesting guy id like to hear more about.
I've never heard anyone else know of or like Gankutsuo and I love that someone is bringing attention to it!
7:24 those hands make me keel over in laugher every time I see them. I love that meme