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I couldn't agree more! From a collectebilty point of view Case is the hands down choice. From a daily use point of view you can't beat Rough Ryder! My opinion for what it's worth!😁
I got one Case and one RR. They both had gapping issues. The blade acting was probably better with Case and materials are better. Buy Case for the collecting shelf and buy RR for use/fun
I was handling the same 2 RRs and a Case medium toothpick as I watched, and I agree with everything you said. My Case example is a olive green peach seed jig with a California clip. It feels and looks better than the RRs, but I love them all. Excellent series Tobias!
Hi Tobias, don't know if you check old postings, but I just started collecting Case. I don't see myself buying any Rough Rider knives. There not that Cheap here in Australia. And I do prefer to buy non Chinese, having said that, I have a Finch Barlow and two Civivi's, I have been collecting " stuff" for a long time. Toy trains mostly, lost interest when German and English started manufacturing in China. So as I sell I now by Knives. That's what I'm enjoying now. I have always had a few Knives. Got my first imperial prov. Back in 1967 when I was Eight years old. Back to Case, so far no issues with three Quality. Did have an issue with the Boker Annual 2021 Damascus. Expensive. Made in Solingen, Hand made.(Scratches on the Bolster) ? Not sending it back, already sold out. Looking forward to my next 4 Case Tony Bose. Cheers. Glen
Great video partner, I think you did a great job explaining all the reasons why people choose to collect the way they do. There are some Case knives (usually the older ones) that I just feel can't be beat, but some of the modern ones are very close in quality to RR knives. Although RR knives require a bit more finishing. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing you opinions, I have been watching your channel for a lengthy time and I have found that my own collection has migrated from RR to Case. I plan on continuing in the Case direction.
I have a rare SFO Large Case Toothpick, it's a yellow synthetic handle scales. The rarity of it is that it has two large blades. Haven't seen or heard of any others since. It was from SMKW when they had their TV series. I got 2, one for carry and one to keep new in box, because I knew it was a rare knife.
Good stuff! I dig both brands as well. I own 2 case knives and probably about 30 RR knives. I really do see more quality in the case knives but that is to be expected since they cost a good bit more. But nothing wrong with the cheaper ones and I don’t worry to use them. I tend to baby the Case knives. Thanks Tobias 👍
I bought a case 2 Finn knife back in the 80s my first hunting knife I was 14. That knife has processed a lot of deer. Then dbad talked me into a case bowie lol. I recently got a gun stock & pocket hunter luv em.
I’m enjoying this series and I’m looking forward to the next two installments. I love case knives and carry one every day. But here lately I’ve been buying RR because they put out different styles and variations of patterns that you just don’t really see anywhere else.
I really like the information that you give. As always. For me I am buying Rough Riders because I am looking for a pattern I enjoy. So buying the lower cost RR knives for me makes sense as spending 45 to 90 dollars to find I don't like the pattern but 12 to 15 dollars to try a pattern is easier to incur. Now once I find the patterns and begin serious collecting of them maybe the Case may make more sense. Woulf be interested in hearing your opinion on this philosophy I am using or am I way off base.
I myself like my first Rough Rider, which is a whittler classic carbon. I will build up a collection. I lost my grandfather's collection. My goal is for my grandson to get all these someday, and lose them using them just like happened to me! And they can be his story. No kidding! In the meantime I'm going to have fun with them! Second Point case is nicer, and will probably always love case, cuz we go way back. Far as collecting, it will either be sowbellys or Stockman's any brand of quality. Mostly case. And that's just the traditionals! Great show! Thank you Tobias!👍👍🤠🤠
I agree with you about collectability and mainly on quality. But I don't know where you got the idea that Case & RR had similar pricing in Europe. From my main EU supplier Case is almost 3 times the price of RR.
Thanks for the info. I've heard from some other folks that the price it about the same due to shipping. I wonder if it depends on the country? It sounded crazy to me.
This supplier does free shipping within EU if the order is large enough. I never any trouble qualifying for free shipping, the cutoff is less than US$100.
Great part 2. It's good that Case puts a little more effort in fit and finish. I have a hard time justifying a big price increase just because it's made in America. If I pay 60 bucks for a Case and it has equal fit and finish quality as a 15 dollar RR, equivalent materials, what am I paying for? USA labor cost will increase a knife cost, and I could justify that, if I get better quality than a Rough Ryder. Having said that, I just paid 70 dollars for the RRR Rhino Toe, and I could have bought a Case Tribal lock. Now that is some tough choices.
I'l be talking about that Rhino Toe pretty soon. I would say that is a tough choice (Tribal lock vs. Rhino Toe) but I think that might have to do more with pattern than manufacturer!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias You are right. That is something rough Ryder offers that Case doesn't as much, different patterns. I think Rough Ryder brings out, or used to, more variety of traditional patterns, & handle materials. I haven't been collecting Case, so I don't know much about their history. I've only been into Rough Ryder's for a couple of years now. I'd say my personal rate of bad RR knives to good is less than 1 percent of mine had major defects. I consider blade rap to be the worst defect to get. Everything else doesn't affect the cutting edge.
@@WilliamsKnifeLife I think Tobias is right,the polishing of the Case and the overall felling is better but the reserved Rr are no so far behind but not quite there yet.
You are right about Rough Rider costing more in UK tha USA I wonder why, is the US market so much bigger, probably it was normal years ago for men to carry knives every day, now it's frowned a upon and the laws are stricter than was the case before, when I was a kid it was normal for boys to have pocket knives not now, think I answered my own question. lol
Case sodbuster arrived today, the second one I received, I sent the first back for blade wobble, the second one also has blade wobble, this despite my asking for it to be checked before sending, bottom line, let down by Case and the supplier. I have about 35 Rough Rider knives I have sent back one for blade wobble and one for blade rubbing, both replaced and the new ones were ok, make what you will of that.
Not sure what to say. It’s apparent your standards concerning blade wobble is higher than Case. You’re not alone. I saw it among the Barlows that were released in 2019. It wasn’t extreme (imo) but it was there if you looked for it. Others found entirely unacceptable.
Overall I agree with your points. From my own personal experience, Rough Ryder knives are on average significantly worse with their quality control. I have about 20 knives from Case and 20 from RR, and not one Case has a blade rubbing the liner. Meanwhile I have 9 Rough Ryder knives that have blades that literally rub either the liner or another blade. Because of this I no longer will be buying as many RR knives, is just too frustrating to see the terrible quality. And because I am outside the USA, it is not cost efficient for me to ship back the crappy RR knives.
I think it boils down to simple economics,.. I couldn't possibly afford to collect a lot of Case knives, but I do have quite a few RR knives. So,,, if you have that much disposable income, then Case is the way to go, imho. ps, I'm sat here watching this, waiting for my first Case knife to be delivered, and I'll be opening the parcel with the RR large toothpick, which is in my pocket,,, 👍
I think Rough Ryders will quite possibly have a very huge and loyal following in the future. And part of the reason is affordability plus many of them get used to the point of being tossed in the trash. As such, many of the earlier knives and even many of the knives made today will see a jump in value due to scarcity. I know this may sound blasphemous but then I am one of those rare birds who is quick to defend both Rough Ryders and Case when it comes to collecting traditional pattern knives. When it comes to numbers. I easily have four of five times more Rough Ryders than Case. When it comes to money spent -- I'd say I've spent just as much on Case knives as I have Rough Ryders. And when it comes to Case knives - I normally buy patterns I can't get in Rough Ryders.
I agree with most of this. However, we are talking about roughly one quarter of the price of an equivalent Case knife. Yes, Case handles are superior esthetically, and their blades by and large are finished better. But frankly, I don't see much difference between the two brands with respect to fit and finish (ie. blade rub, blade centering, etc.) The product coming out of the Case factory has not been up to the standards of the past. I recently purchased a Case Copperhead from the vault. Clip blade was not centered and the gaps between the backsprings and the liners were significant. Not returning it because it is perfectly functional. Disappointed? You bet. The last half dozen RR knives all had better centering and, with one exception, the gaps were not significant. Having said all of the above, I am still a fan of Case and will continue to collect them. But as for the user VALUE question, it's not even close, in my opinion.
at 3 or 4 x the price im sticking with RR.I have a couple case knives....very nice but i collect more for the type....Barlow,Canoe etc than for the brand.My last couple knives have been the Marbles black stag series and they are very nice.
In my case it is all about the price, there is no way I could afford a large collection of Case knives, so I have gotten a nice collection of Rough Rider and just a few Case knives, what I consider the best choice of the main patterns, sodbuster, trapper, stockman, Barlow and toothpick.
And this is absolutely a terrific alternative! Similarly I have the complete Stoneworx Series by Rough Ryder but could never afford a similar series by Case. With Rough Ryders I can afford to buy multiples of the same knife so I have one for the collection and one to use and even abuse if necessary! I can’t afford to do that with Case.
I definitely believe you should collect whatever you want , I personally will not buy any knives made in China although I Believe the rough rider knives are A great deal for the money I love the patterns but for me I can’t get myself to buy one I will pay the extra money and get a case knife made in the USA . But I don’t think anybody should judge people for buying Knives like rough rider but I definitely feel better pulling a American made knife out of my pocket it’s a personal thing also there’s so many Case knife patterns and Different handle materials I think I could be happy for the Rest of my life I use them every day and it’s Enjoyable and fun to pick one out for that day and in the end what it all boils down to is enjoying what we do ,,, have fun !!!!
Hey Tobias great video. I often wonder why some guys collect RR over bear and sons. Bear knives are cheaper than case knives and not much more than RRs Bear knives are made in the usa .
My personal opinion....Bear and son has a nasty reputation for a poor fit and finish. That said, I used to collect their large toothpicks. But then a few years ago, they really went cheap on them. I've tried to collect bear and son they just have too many issues.
Because some people think that a 15 $ chinese knife is just as good as a 50$ usa made case knife, and this siries of videos is adressing that question.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I read your description 10 times. Still don't see anything about comparing a $50- $100 Chinese made knife to a $50- $100 USA made knife.
@@James-ke5sx , the viewer asked “Why buys a Case knife when a Rough Ryder is just as good”. He didn’t as why buy a similarly priced Chinese knife over a similarly priced USA knife. That is clearly stated in the description you read 10 times.
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I couldn't agree more! From a collectebilty point of view Case is the hands down choice. From a daily use point of view you can't beat Rough Ryder!
My opinion for what it's worth!😁
I highly value your opinion! I think you explained it very clearly. Part three sounds promising so see you sunday Tobias.
I got one Case and one RR. They both had gapping issues. The blade acting was probably better with Case and materials are better. Buy Case for the collecting shelf and buy RR for use/fun
That is an opinioned shared by many many in the traditional knife community.
I was handling the same 2 RRs and a Case medium toothpick as I watched, and I agree with everything you said. My Case example is a olive green peach seed jig with a California clip. It feels and looks better than the RRs, but I love them all. Excellent series Tobias!
Hi Tobias, don't know if you check old postings, but I just started collecting Case. I don't see myself buying any Rough Rider knives. There not that Cheap here in Australia. And I do prefer to buy non Chinese, having said that, I have a Finch Barlow and two Civivi's,
I have been collecting " stuff" for a long time. Toy trains mostly, lost interest when German and English started manufacturing in China. So as I sell I now by Knives. That's what I'm enjoying now. I have always had a few Knives. Got my first imperial prov. Back in 1967 when I was Eight years old. Back to Case, so far no issues with three Quality. Did have an issue with the Boker Annual 2021 Damascus. Expensive. Made in Solingen, Hand made.(Scratches on the Bolster) ? Not sending it back, already sold out. Looking forward to my next 4 Case Tony Bose. Cheers. Glen
I like your style, classy. Thanks for your take on the Case & R.R. knives.
Great video partner, I think you did a great job explaining all the reasons why people choose to collect the way they do. There are some Case knives (usually the older ones) that I just feel can't be beat, but some of the modern ones are very close in quality to RR knives. Although RR knives require a bit more finishing. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing you opinions, I have been watching your channel for a lengthy time and I have found that my own collection has migrated from RR to Case. I plan on continuing in the Case direction.
Wonderful video. I am enjoying this series, buddy.
I have a rare SFO Large Case Toothpick, it's a yellow synthetic handle scales. The rarity of it is that it has two large blades. Haven't seen or heard of any others since. It was from SMKW when they had their TV series. I got 2, one for carry and one to keep new in box, because I knew it was a rare knife.
Good stuff! I dig both brands as well. I own 2 case knives and probably about 30 RR knives. I really do see more quality in the case knives but that is to be expected since they cost a good bit more. But nothing wrong with the cheaper ones and I don’t worry to use them. I tend to baby the Case knives. Thanks Tobias 👍
Another excellent video Tobias! Thank you very much!!
I bought a case 2 Finn knife back in the 80s my first hunting knife I was 14. That knife has processed a lot of deer. Then dbad talked me into a case bowie lol. I recently got a gun stock & pocket hunter luv em.
I’m enjoying this series and I’m looking forward to the next two installments. I love case knives and carry one every day. But here lately I’ve been buying RR because they put out different styles and variations of patterns that you just don’t really see anywhere else.
I am enjoying this series...
I prefer to buy RR knives due to the wide selection of patterns and handle material. I have some Case knives, but very few of them appeal to me.
I really like the information that you give. As always. For me I am buying Rough Riders because I am looking for a pattern I enjoy. So buying the lower cost RR knives for me makes sense as spending 45 to 90 dollars to find I don't like the pattern but 12 to 15 dollars to try a pattern is easier to incur. Now once I find the patterns and begin serious collecting of them maybe the Case may make more sense. Woulf be interested in hearing your opinion on this philosophy I am using or am I way off base.
I myself like my first Rough Rider, which is a whittler classic carbon. I will build up a collection. I lost my grandfather's collection. My goal is for my grandson to get all these someday, and lose them using them just like happened to me! And they can be his story. No kidding! In the meantime I'm going to have fun with them! Second Point case is nicer, and will probably always love case, cuz we go way back. Far as collecting, it will either be sowbellys or Stockman's any brand of quality. Mostly case. And that's just the traditionals! Great show! Thank you Tobias!👍👍🤠🤠
I agree with you about collectability and mainly on quality. But I don't know where you got the idea that Case & RR had similar pricing in Europe. From my main EU supplier Case is almost 3 times the price of RR.
Thanks for the info. I've heard from some other folks that the price it about the same due to shipping. I wonder if it depends on the country? It sounded crazy to me.
This supplier does free shipping within EU if the order is large enough. I never any trouble qualifying for free shipping, the cutoff is less than US$100.
Great part 2. It's good that Case puts a little more effort in fit and finish. I have a hard time justifying a big price increase just because it's made in America. If I pay 60 bucks for a Case and it has equal fit and finish quality as a 15 dollar RR, equivalent materials, what am I paying for? USA labor cost will increase a knife cost, and I could justify that, if I get better quality than a Rough Ryder. Having said that, I just paid 70 dollars for the RRR Rhino Toe, and I could have bought a Case Tribal lock. Now that is some tough choices.
I'l be talking about that Rhino Toe pretty soon. I would say that is a tough choice (Tribal lock vs. Rhino Toe) but I think that might have to do more with pattern than manufacturer!
@@KnifeChatswithTobias You are right. That is something rough Ryder offers that Case doesn't as much, different patterns. I think Rough Ryder brings out, or used to, more variety of traditional patterns, & handle materials. I haven't been collecting Case, so I don't know much about their history. I've only been into Rough Ryder's for a couple of years now. I'd say my personal rate of bad RR knives to good is less than 1 percent of mine had major defects. I consider blade rap to be the worst defect to get. Everything else doesn't affect the cutting edge.
@@WilliamsKnifeLife I think Tobias is right,the polishing of the Case and the overall felling is better but the reserved Rr are no so far behind but not quite there yet.
Awesome vids Tobias!!
You are right about Rough Rider costing more in UK tha USA I wonder why, is the US market so much bigger, probably it was normal years ago for men to carry knives every day, now it's frowned a upon and the laws are stricter than was the case before, when I was a kid it was normal for boys to have pocket knives not now, think I answered my own question. lol
Today I learned that Rough Ryder once made knives with genuine stag covers.
Good info & opinions. See ya Sunday.
Case sodbuster arrived today, the second one I received, I sent the first back for blade wobble, the second one also has blade wobble, this despite my asking for it to be checked before sending, bottom line, let down by Case and the supplier. I have about 35 Rough Rider knives I have sent back one for blade wobble and one for blade rubbing, both replaced and the new ones were ok, make what you will of that.
Not sure what to say. It’s apparent your standards concerning blade wobble is higher than Case. You’re not alone. I saw it among the Barlows that were released in 2019. It wasn’t extreme (imo) but it was there if you looked for it. Others found entirely unacceptable.
Good series. Enjoying the videos. Please continue... :-)
More to come!
Overall I agree with your points. From my own personal experience, Rough Ryder knives are on average significantly worse with their quality control. I have about 20 knives from Case and 20 from RR, and not one Case has a blade rubbing the liner. Meanwhile I have 9 Rough Ryder knives that have blades that literally rub either the liner or another blade. Because of this I no longer will be buying as many RR knives, is just too frustrating to see the terrible quality. And because I am outside the USA, it is not cost efficient for me to ship back the crappy RR knives.
OH how dare you say anything good about Case Knives !
I think it boils down to simple economics,.. I couldn't possibly afford to collect a lot of Case knives, but I do have quite a few RR knives.
So,,, if you have that much disposable income, then Case is the way to go, imho.
ps, I'm sat here watching this, waiting for my first Case knife to be delivered, and I'll be opening the parcel with the RR large toothpick, which is in my pocket,,, 👍
I think Rough Ryders will quite possibly have a very huge and loyal following in the future. And part of the reason is affordability plus many of them get used to the point of being tossed in the trash. As such, many of the earlier knives and even many of the knives made today will see a jump in value due to scarcity. I know this may sound blasphemous but then I am one of those rare birds who is quick to defend both Rough Ryders and Case when it comes to collecting traditional pattern knives. When it comes to numbers. I easily have four of five times more Rough Ryders than Case. When it comes to money spent -- I'd say I've spent just as much on Case knives as I have Rough Ryders. And when it comes to Case knives - I normally buy patterns I can't get in Rough Ryders.
I agree with most of this. However, we are talking about roughly one quarter of the price of an equivalent Case knife. Yes, Case handles are superior esthetically, and their blades by and large are finished better. But frankly, I don't see much difference between the two brands with respect to fit and finish (ie. blade rub, blade centering, etc.) The product coming out of the Case factory has not been up to the standards of the past. I recently purchased a Case Copperhead from the vault. Clip blade was not centered and the gaps between the backsprings and the liners were significant. Not returning it because it is perfectly functional. Disappointed? You bet. The last half dozen RR knives all had better centering and, with one exception, the gaps were not significant. Having said all of the above, I am still a fan of Case and will continue to collect them. But as for the user VALUE question, it's not even close, in my opinion.
at 3 or 4 x the price im sticking with RR.I have a couple case knives....very nice but i collect more for the type....Barlow,Canoe etc than for the brand.My last couple knives have been the Marbles black stag series and they are very nice.
That said Case`s blue jigged bone spear point blade Barlow thats to die for.
In my case it is all about the price, there is no way I could afford a large collection of Case knives, so I have gotten a nice collection of Rough Rider and just a few Case knives, what I consider the best choice of the main patterns, sodbuster, trapper, stockman, Barlow and toothpick.
And this is absolutely a terrific alternative! Similarly I have the complete Stoneworx Series by Rough Ryder but could never afford a similar series by Case. With Rough Ryders I can afford to buy multiples of the same knife so I have one for the collection and one to use and even abuse if necessary! I can’t afford to do that with Case.
I definitely believe you should collect whatever you want , I personally will not buy any knives made in China although I Believe the rough rider knives are A great deal for the money I love the patterns but for me I can’t get myself to buy one I will pay the extra money and get a case knife made in the USA . But I don’t think anybody should judge people for buying Knives like rough rider but I definitely feel better pulling a American made knife out of my pocket it’s a personal thing also there’s so many Case knife patterns and Different handle materials I think I could be happy for the Rest of my life I use them every day and it’s Enjoyable and fun to pick one out for that day and in the end what it all boils down to is enjoying
what we do ,,, have fun !!!!
Have you heard of the windy case knife? Would you know any value if there is any!
It's good to support a company that pays American workers a living wage using the best materials.
See Ya Sunday
Hey Tobias great video. I often wonder why some guys collect RR over bear and sons. Bear knives are cheaper than case knives and not much more than RRs Bear knives are made in the usa .
My personal opinion....Bear and son has a nasty reputation for a poor fit and finish. That said, I used to collect their large toothpicks. But then a few years ago, they really went cheap on them. I've tried to collect bear and son they just have too many issues.
Comparing a $10 Chinese knife to a $50 US knife doesn't make sense to me. Why not put a $50 Chinese knife against a $50 US knife.
Because some people think that a 15 $ chinese knife is just as good as a 50$ usa made case knife, and this siries of videos is adressing that question.
Did you not read the description? I’m addressing that exact question?
@@KnifeChatswithTobias I read your description 10 times. Still don't see anything about comparing a $50- $100 Chinese made knife to a $50- $100 USA made knife.
@@James-ke5sx , the viewer asked “Why buys a Case knife when a Rough Ryder is just as good”. He didn’t as why buy a similarly priced Chinese knife over a similarly priced USA knife. That is clearly stated in the description you read 10 times.
@@KnifeChatswithTobias Ok, on number 11 I'm starting to see the light.