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Masso G3 Touch is an Industrial Controller...! That controller is an overkill for such tabletop CNCs. It uses dedicated Processor and a Control Program. It doesn't need a PC So the communication is faster. Control signal management is also richer. Low velocity set by Onefinity must be because of safety reasons. Masso is used in multi axis and ATC enabled machines It also Supports lathe/plasma/laser Configurations and their related sub features. Most of its production capabilities have been disabled for this tabletop machines.
Great Video! Wondering if the Masso controller is easier/more intuitive to use than the Gsender? Other than startup lag and button lag any noticeable differences? Still on the ol BB onefinity controller.
Thanks for the comparison. I have a scienci mk1, and it is great for my needs. Their customer service is great too. My only upgrade will be a SLB. But only when start using the machine to its max potential. Oh ya 8%😊
Thanks for the unbiased and informative review/comparison of the Onefinity Elite and the Sienci Altmill. I have had my eye on both machines for awhile, and this was good food for thought. Salutations from a Canuck in Japan, keep up the good work. 👍
The fact that the machine shut down and couldn't be rebooted is a problem that seems to be overlooked by many of the posters. That's a huge problem. The speed can be resolved by changing the settings. Secondly, the spindle offered being compared to the Makita router is also a problem. I have a Pwn spindle air cooled and it's a beast. More money yes but, worth it. Excellent video, I recognize this was not an easy one to make for your channel. But, Hamilton, you did so with integrity.
The speed can not be resolved simply by changing the settings. The Onefinity lacks rigidity which is why the factory acceleration is much lower. Increasing the acceleration to match the altmill would result in much poorer carved quality, I have one and have tried it.
I had to order parts from amazon to fix my Onefinity. Onefinity would not sell me a replacement part. They caused my CNC to go down for almost 3 months. If your doing any kind of CNC business I would stay away from Onefinity.
As a Canadian Onefinity owner I can tell you that Canadians do NOT get a better price. Onefinity prices are in US dollars so Canadian pay a minimum 2.5% exchange fee to convert our money into US dollars to pay for a machine that is made in Canada and shipped from Canada. I have purchase parts from Onefinity. (I broke a couple of plastic pieces when the dust boot and drag chain got caught.) Onefinity's minimum shipping charge for a $5 part in Canada was $19. I have purchased bits from Sienci Labs in Canadian dollars. Their minimum shipping charge in Canada was $10. And 8% oh yah.
8%! Do you think a different but maker would have a stronger bit and the Altmill wouldn't have broken? Also, do either of these companies have plans in the next year to produce a 4 x 8 table? I know A LOT of people have been asking 1F for one. Tiling isn't always the best option. Thx. Great & informative video. 👍
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I struggled over this for a while. Simply put, I don't think that there is anything that I'm capable of in my shop to really (and easily) prove rigidity between these two machines. I think me attempting at that would just fall flat. I know that sienci labs has an extensive rigidity test that they have made public, so there is some information out on theirs.
I am very confused on how does this compare the speed and performance of the two machines, surely if the gcode are the same it will run the same, the only thing that will affect the time is acceleration of the movement which if is not been set equal on both machine will run what ever is default, but i would say that is job dependant surely and down to the user?
The same g-code is the only way to really see how they respond. Picture the g-code as a race track, and the machines as different drivers (controllers) and cars (machines). Each driver will respond to the same racetrack differently and their car will also be slower or faster in different ways. Having the same g-code makes this as equal as possible.
@@HamiltonDilbeck i do get where you coming from using the same G-code is really the only way to compare the two. However surely you want some kinda of gcode that ramup the speed in small increment until break (either tool break like you already got or stepper skipping steps)
8%……. Interesting. I’m still a little ways out from purchasing either of these (I have a new to me Longmill still in the box I bought used that I’m going to mess with first) but there’s some good stuff to digest. I want to see some follow up with the Altmill spindle, and hopefully the guys at 1F are sending you an ATC to work over.
8%, Been eagerly waiting this video. I appreciate the run down and comparison. One of these will be my first cnc. The price on the altmill is so attractive, but the spindle concerns and support from onefinity make not an easy choice. Im curious if alt mill will respond to the spindle issues, their response might be the deciding factor.
@@HamiltonDilbeck exactly the machine is pushing the bit harder by what 22 percent based on your tests. So to compare the bit they have to have the same cutting time. Every machine has a sweet spot to get the quality outcome in the work piece and tooling life and machine life as well. The faster acceleration could cause more wear on the machine. Also two different spindle types. The machines can be ordered without a spindle and be installed on either machine. That would be more of an apple to apple comparison. Or two Makita installed as that will be the choice of the budget shoppers. But still a very good test of both machines. I was wondering when someone would do that. Thanks it helps me decide one my next purchase. I got bit once I hope my choice this time is better thanks again for making the video comparing both. Still unsure of support with altmil I'm hoping they aren't like the other is. They need to work on how they talk and treat their customers that's their weak point being in business with the public too arrogant in my personal experience with them
Onefinity machines are not accurate. Circles are ovals squares are not square. 5 inch circle .050 out of round. One finity couldn't assist me to correct it and told me it's acceptable to their standards for a hobby machine. Got the email if you would like to read it for proof
I have 2 Elite machines and 1 original and all 3 are dead nuts on. Factors like design software (easel is horrible) or user inflicted settings adjustments are very often the cause but it’s easier to blame the machine.
8% ! Appreciate the depth of your review, Ham. The spindle shutting down us a very bad thing to happen. The most likely cause is the VFS going into thermal shutdown. Those quite often worsen over time to the point of total failure. Cooling fan going out or obstructed airflow are possible causes, but your spindle might be on the verge of bearing failure too. Sincerely hope that Scienci Labs finds and resolves the cause of it quickly for you. Bhsted bits, thec2nd failure was apparently caused by the spindle shutdown, but oerhaps the furst onevwas too, as in a momentary stop of the spindke. Later shutdowns being a harbinger if a worsening issye?
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Masso G3 Touch is an Industrial Controller...! That controller is an overkill for such tabletop CNCs.
It uses dedicated Processor and a Control Program. It doesn't need a PC
So the communication is faster.
Control signal management is also richer.
Low velocity set by Onefinity must be because of safety reasons.
Masso is used in multi axis and ATC enabled machines
It also Supports lathe/plasma/laser Configurations and their related sub features.
Most of its production capabilities have been disabled for this tabletop machines.
8%. This video confirmed that I made the right choice 8 months ago. I need to see how to upgrade to the ATC.
That's speed difference is why the bit broke.
Slowing down the video, it looked to me like the bit only broke because the spindle crapped out and stopped.
8%. Thanks for doing the comparison. Food for thought indeed.
Thanks for sticking around and for taking the time to comment!
8% thanks for the content, very informative for someone still deciding what way to go 😊
8%er still learning which path to choose in terms of brand. Thanks for sharing this info
Thanks for watching til the end and for commenting! I hope the video helps a bit in deciding!
Great Video! Wondering if the Masso controller is easier/more intuitive to use than the Gsender? Other than startup lag and button lag any noticeable differences? Still on the ol BB onefinity controller.
Thanks for the comparison.
I have a scienci mk1, and it is great for my needs.
Their customer service is great too. My only upgrade will be a SLB. But only when start using the machine to its max potential.
Oh ya 8%😊
The rapid change is very intriguing but I still like altmill for its rigidity of the base
I hope to get my hands on the rapid change, we will see!
Thanks for the unbiased and informative review/comparison of the Onefinity Elite and the Sienci Altmill. I have had my eye on both machines for awhile, and this was good food for thought. Salutations from a Canuck in Japan, keep up the good work. 👍
8% great comparison, thanks
The fact that the machine shut down and couldn't be rebooted is a problem that seems to be overlooked by many of the posters. That's a huge problem. The speed can be resolved by changing the settings. Secondly, the spindle offered being compared to the Makita router is also a problem. I have a Pwn spindle air cooled and it's a beast. More money yes but, worth it. Excellent video, I recognize this was not an easy one to make for your channel. But, Hamilton, you did so with integrity.
The speed can not be resolved simply by changing the settings. The Onefinity lacks rigidity which is why the factory acceleration is much lower. Increasing the acceleration to match the altmill would result in much poorer carved quality, I have one and have tried it.
User error
I appreciate you saying that, it was a fun video to make!
how?
8%...can't wait to see the upcoming changes to CNC with me
I'm excited!
I had to order parts from amazon to fix my Onefinity. Onefinity would not sell me a replacement part. They caused my CNC to go down for almost 3 months. If your doing any kind of CNC business I would stay away from Onefinity.
Darn, sorry to hear that!
What part was that?
@@st0mper121 Interesting. I’ve had just the opposite experience. Do you mind sharing what type of part it was they wouldn’t sell to you?
I’ve always had a very good customer service with them
I seec the Altmill has an attached screen, does it work much like the Masso? Or, does it required a computer connection vs a USB?
@@jimpalmer1944 That’s their gControl unit. Basically a Windows PC in a fabless, touchscreen enclosure. Hamilton has a recent video about it.
Thank you as one of the 8%’ers. I have been waiting for your review as I am looking to upgrade from my Inventables to one of these 2 machines.
Either one is quite the upgrade! Thanks for sticking around and commenting!
%8er I appreciate your time doing this video!
Thanks for sticking around and commenting!!
As a Canadian Onefinity owner I can tell you that Canadians do NOT get a better price. Onefinity prices are in US dollars so Canadian pay a minimum 2.5% exchange fee to convert our money into US dollars to pay for a machine that is made in Canada and shipped from Canada.
I have purchase parts from Onefinity. (I broke a couple of plastic pieces when the dust boot and drag chain got caught.) Onefinity's minimum shipping charge for a $5 part in Canada was $19.
I have purchased bits from Sienci Labs in Canadian dollars. Their minimum shipping charge in Canada was $10.
And 8% oh yah.
Wow I never knew! Thanks for taking the time to write all of that out, Mark. I know that will be helpful information to a lot of people!
Either machine is capable of different spindles get a pen on both machines to compare apple to apple
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Do you think a different but maker would have a stronger bit and the Altmill wouldn't have broken? Also, do either of these companies have plans in the next year to produce a 4 x 8 table? I know A LOT of people have been asking 1F for one. Tiling isn't always the best option. Thx. Great & informative video. 👍
Thanks for the video Hamilton you did a good job comparing the 2 machines
thanks I appreciate it!
Thanks for the heads up on CIC's black Friday deals. Pulled the trigger on 4 more large sheets of bam-x. Not inexpensive, but less so with that sweet, sweet discount.
bam-x really is amazing stuff. Glad you snagged some!
@HamiltonDilbeck It's a huge hertz donut to enjoy with my morning coffee, but 40 bux is 40 bux, lol
Thank you for comparing the two CNC. 8%
Thanks for sticking around and taking the time to comment!
Why do you think it is cheaper in Canada? Onefinity charges in USD. So we get hit with currency exchange too.
Guess thats my blunder! I thought there were no import fees and such. Sorry for the confusion!
Great video, could we get one that compares rigidity and accuracy between the two?
I struggled over this for a while. Simply put, I don't think that there is anything that I'm capable of in my shop to really (and easily) prove rigidity between these two machines. I think me attempting at that would just fall flat. I know that sienci labs has an extensive rigidity test that they have made public, so there is some information out on theirs.
@@HamiltonDilbeck What about drawing perfect 6” circles in hardwood at different feed speeds in the middle of the Z axis gantry and measuring them?
8% buddy here lol. Great comparison
Thanks brother!!
I am very confused on how does this compare the speed and performance of the two machines, surely if the gcode are the same it will run the same, the only thing that will affect the time is acceleration of the movement which if is not been set equal on both machine will run what ever is default, but i would say that is job dependant surely and down to the user?
The same g-code is the only way to really see how they respond. Picture the g-code as a race track, and the machines as different drivers (controllers) and cars (machines). Each driver will respond to the same racetrack differently and their car will also be slower or faster in different ways. Having the same g-code makes this as equal as possible.
@@HamiltonDilbeck i do get where you coming from using the same G-code is really the only way to compare the two. However surely you want some kinda of gcode that ramup the speed in small increment until break (either tool break like you already got or stepper skipping steps)
8% Thanks for the video.
Thanks for sticking around and commenting!
8% Still wishing I could afford one. 🙁
Its an investment, for sure! Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment!
8%……. Interesting. I’m still a little ways out from purchasing either of these (I have a new to me Longmill still in the box I bought used that I’m going to mess with first) but there’s some good stuff to digest. I want to see some follow up with the Altmill spindle, and hopefully the guys at 1F are sending you an ATC to work over.
As things progress i'll post about them! And thanks for sticking around and commenting!
8%, Been eagerly waiting this video. I appreciate the run down and comparison. One of these will be my first cnc. The price on the altmill is so attractive, but the spindle concerns and support from onefinity make not an easy choice. Im curious if alt mill will respond to the spindle issues, their response might be the deciding factor.
The great thing is that I think either machine is a good choice. I'm certain that the spindle stuff will get sorted out shortly!
8% :) Nice video!
Thanks brother!
Cheaper in Canada? No. Those prices are in USD so in fact it will cost us Canadians more!
Oh gosh! I thought they were, that sucks!
@HamiltonDilbeck we always get the shaft, we're sorta accustomed to it.
@@tpguitars I think the healthcare and hunting would make up for it!
Dial the feeds and speeds back on the altmil to match cut time of both machines and see if the bit breaks to be fair to Cody
Oh I don't think Cody's bits are to be faulted at all!
@@HamiltonDilbeck exactly the machine is pushing the bit harder by what 22 percent based on your tests. So to compare the bit they have to have the same cutting time. Every machine has a sweet spot to get the quality outcome in the work piece and tooling life and machine life as well. The faster acceleration could cause more wear on the machine. Also two different spindle types. The machines can be ordered without a spindle and be installed on either machine. That would be more of an apple to apple comparison. Or two Makita installed as that will be the choice of the budget shoppers. But still a very good test of both machines. I was wondering when someone would do that. Thanks it helps me decide one my next purchase. I got bit once I hope my choice this time is better thanks again for making the video comparing both. Still unsure of support with altmil I'm hoping they aren't like the other is. They need to work on how they talk and treat their customers that's their weak point being in business with the public too arrogant in my personal experience with them
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8% good video
Thanks so much!
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Love it!
I'll stick with altmil due to support I received from 1f.
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Well I've dealt with 1f support and it wasn't good
Onefinity machines are not accurate. Circles are ovals squares are not square. 5 inch circle .050 out of round. One finity couldn't assist me to correct it and told me it's acceptable to their standards for a hobby machine. Got the email if you would like to read it for proof
@@bubba6945 That’s interesting. Would you say the accuracy changes at different speeds?
Well i own 2 machines my onefinity is dead nuts . Good chance your file is not right or your machine isn't trammed or square
I have 2 Elite machines and 1 original and all 3 are dead nuts on. Factors like design software (easel is horrible) or user inflicted settings adjustments are very often the cause but it’s easier to blame the machine.
8% !
Appreciate the depth of your review, Ham.
The spindle shutting down us a very bad thing to happen. The most likely cause is the VFS going into thermal shutdown. Those quite often worsen over time to the point of total failure. Cooling fan going out or obstructed airflow are possible causes, but your spindle might be on the verge of bearing failure too. Sincerely hope that Scienci Labs finds and resolves the cause of it quickly for you.
Bhsted bits, thec2nd failure was apparently caused by the spindle shutdown, but oerhaps the furst onevwas too, as in a momentary stop of the spindke. Later shutdowns being a harbinger if a worsening issye?
Thanks! Yeah I wish I had more of an answer. One second It works like a dream, another it gets bogged down. not sure!
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