Roam Tour #1: Professor Joel Chan- Zettelkasten and Evergreen Notes for Generative Thought
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- This tour is the first of many I will be doing with the wonderful people that I've been meeting in the Roam community, and what an amazing first tour.
In this video, we see the best Zettelkasten that I've seen in Roam so far. We talk about his research into how to effectively synthesize ideas and generate novel theories, as well as the "work" of effective knowledge work. Academics will love this, as well as anybody attempting to implement a Zettelkasten, think more clearly.
And here's the crazy thing- none of the things we're showing in this video use Roam's more advanced functionality. The most advanced part of this is simply his thinking and approach.
Some links:
His website: joelchan.me/
His google scholar page: scholar.google.com/citations?...
His twitter: / joelchan86
The theme he uses: github.com/jmharris903/Railsc...
His database is no longer publicly accessible.
My website: www.influenceinsights.io/
My twitter: / roberthaisfield 
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This is a fantastic video. Thank you and Joel so much for the demonstration of the user case. This is indeed the best zettelkasten user case with Roam. I learned a lot. Thank you again!
Thank you so much for this! This is a real gem.
Brilliant interview, conversation, and thoughts around how to use Roam. Thank you for sharing this
Nice job! This is an interesting approach to gaining new insights into Roam's possibilities.
This was a really informative interview. Thanks for putting this together!
Thanks so much for such a great interview! Many tips especially useful to find approach of using roam and Z`method! 🤗😊🤩
Lots of great info, thank you both!
Your channel is fantastic! keep the great work up!
Thanks for posting. Indeed very useful.
I enjoyed this a lot, and will certainly do more. Whose database do you wanna see? What were your biggest takeaways from this video?
"Atomicity of insights is super important for enabling creativity"
@@ricky15385 This is exactly what pulls me to Roam. This is a game of automating the creative process to maximize flow.
Would love to see some more Zettle & Evergreen experts - Mostly around the actual template for the Zettles and for the processes people are using to create them (from insight/raw→a seedling or baby zettle→networks of related zettles)
Which gets me thinking - is there a term for a collection of related Zettles built into a theory?
Been working with Seedling→Evergreen→Grove in my database to-date.
Enjoying these, Rob!
@brandontoner
Would love to see someone, the likes of Joel Chan, demonstrate in a session how they take and make notes from scratch using Roam -having them think aloud why they do what they do, etc. ❤️🙏
Thank you Robert & Joel for a great conversation! The idea of putting a "Z:" before each zettle note was an instant upgrade to my system - as was writing "My-Zettelkasten / My-Litterature notes..." etc as it also gives me that nice search suggestions when writing the markup for a note! (Nice for speed)
What I'd love to see & hear more of is...
- The different ways of writing literature notes - (When saving quotes from physical books, a youtube link or a pdf it's a bit different, and I'd like to see how you tackle structuring those differences in a nice standardizable way.. I didn't quite understand how you did things with literature notes in this video)
- The workflow from inbox to zettlekasten note to draft -
- How to use hashtags skillfully - (I saw that you used hashtags such as "#is-neccesary-for" and "#example-of" which I thought were really useful - and I didn't see you have a bunch of hashtags designed to be possible handles for your future self to search for, why is that?)
Looking forward to hearing and seeing more from you guys! Peace out!
//A.Z
Glad you found this helpful! My process is evolving, and as I work more in it, it's becoming harder to keep everything public; having a private space to think is valuable, and I don't want to do it outside of Roam. Working on a solution to make some of my notes (zettels, mostly) shareable. I'm also planning to do a follow-up (either myself in a think-aloud reflection, or with Rob again) on my process.
I'm keen to see your update! :)
9:54 - *Atomicity* is important to enabling creativity and reusability
Great video! He mentions “Andy” a lot. Who is that and any suggested follow up material to learn more?
Really great thinker that a lot of people in the Roam community follow. Browse through his notes here: notes.andymatuschak.org/About_these_notes
This video is way more valuable than any instructions on youtube! Just want to make it explicit that Joel uses the concept of "evergreen notes" by Andy Matuschak. The mentioned approach is explained here in the same illustrative manner notes.andymatuschak.org/
Robert.
Really excellent video.
?Question?
I see that some "extracts" are highlighted (either .jpg or .pdf). When does one use those as opposed to a "quotation" in text together with a citation (explanation/tags)?
Ta for that. I got a few notes out of it. I was wondering though, what's the Chrome extension that he mentioned?
I'm Curious about how to organize Ideas to write a new scientific article. I use Mendeley and Zotero (meta-research), almost from read...every time for read and references management. But... They'r not so good for taking notes and link them for new insights.
I work with Sports and Exercise Sciences, and like other fields... there's a bunch of interrelated questions from performance to health, from basic to meta-research....
I need to organize all of my notes from original articles, make references to them, and even more, build a "forever knowledge repository"
Theres a thing: I'm using OBSIDIAN. Cause Roam is not available
Great video. Is there anywhere which describes how one might go about understanding how to utilise the citekey scripts within zotero?
yes I'd like to know too!
Wow great interview and video. Dr Chan is Luhmann reincarnated on steroids.
That is... one of the nicest compliments I have ever received, made even better by how few people would get the reference. :) Thank you!
@@chozen86 Might be one of the best compliments I've witnessed. Great video!
I am starting with PKMS for 2 reasons, one is am doing a research in architecture for my master. So I would like to use it for organice and link ideas for my investigation.
Second is I want to make the software part of the model itself.of.my research as a part of the process.of synthesis in the research of cultural aspects in architecture. So I am with him in using this program as a tool for the synthesis process for understanding the problem.
My question is, can I have 2 different documents appart? Because every context I would like to analyse should be started from 0 and it's not related to my research document.
I think in Obsidian is possible, is it possible in Roam?
Thank for the video
I'm unable to access his database, which is linked to above. I have a Roam account, but all I get from following the above link is "You do not have permission to view this database". Is it actually supposed to be public?
Can he shares the CSS for his Roam? Looks absolutely gorgeous
Check the description
I am having hard time following this, because he moves so quickly, and the subtitles are not always correct. So, I just want to maybe contact the man and get tips on how to use it to write my thesis, because it looks like that is how he is structuring his Roam. I really want to know though, where do I get his background, the ability to set colors etc.
Thanks for this video, really useful! One thing I'm struggling with though is when to use [[pages]] and when to use #hashtags. Could anyone explain the difference?
Here is the way I look at it: both links will go to the same place. The difference in use is a visual difference: double-bracketed [[pages]] will appear more prominent, more “forward”, in running text; additionally, it is semantically more distinct as a top-level page. Hashtags, on the other hand, are recessed, tinted-back, and not as readable in running text, and thus I use them as one would ordinarily with tags: at the end of a block (or at the beginning, as you see in Professor Chan’s in the video above).
Adding to cragwerks answer: The difference between hashtags and brackets are that hashtags need a full word, so you can't write
#English Practice you would have to write #EnglishPractice or #English-Practice.
I use hashtags for page-structure pieces and author names simply because I like the down-tinted design of the page-link. Using hashtags for recurring structural elements in my zettlekasten also implicitly gives greater emphasis to bracket links! :)
I'd love to hear how other people are using hashtags / brackets :)
@@ThePwnagealle To clarify one of your points, you can write #[[English Practice]] and will still be displayed as a hashtag and work as expected. Yes, it is kind of cumbersome but it's good to have options.
Personally I use [[ ]] in context and # on their own (similar to Cragwerks). Seems like a very popular approach. Otherwise I try to delegate terms that I know I will be filtering to hashtags, so they kind of act like boxes or categories, while brackets I treat as links, no hierarchy (probably a habit after using Obsidian but I don't mind it).
is his roamresearch database still public? i can't see it
Is his method of smart notes better or easier to learn/start than Beau Hann?
Is his database no longer public or am I just having problems with my account?
Yup, it’s private now
Does anyone know how to make a query to search for page names that contain the “prefix” - for example - he has “Z:” in front of everything... How might you create a query to “show me all pages that contain Z: in the title”?
how to manage the colours as Joel Chan?? Yes, I'm less than a beginner
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awesome video, can you check out and review Taskade for zettelkasten?
Do you know anyone using Taskade for that purpose?
It says in the video description that he's made his database public, but when I try to access it, it says that I have no access. Is it still public? How do I access it? I'd so curious to explore his stuff!
5708R it’s not public anymore :( let me remove that
How were the R:___ titles generated?
I have a question about facts vs. ideas. Are both facts and ideas(thoughts) to go into evergreen notes? Let's say your learninglearn about cooking cause you love cooking. You learn that an apple is a red fruit (fact) and it makes you think 'people should eat more apples' (thought.) It seems that people are saving their everygreen/permanent notes through thoughts, but do people also save 'facts' as evergreen notes? Unlike the apple, other facts can be complex and dense enough that it seems they could earn there own space in an evergreen note like the 'standford prison experiment.' for example. If you wanted to explain the Stanford Prison Expremient to someone well in your own words, you are saying this even in history took place (fact) and you want to be able to describe it in detail, but do people save facts in evergreen notes as well?
What would be useful to you to have easily referenceable, accessible, and reusable?
@@roberthaisfield3349 I solved this issue after looking at the back of couple of books I read. For textbooks type books theres a
reference section for the citations and a list of definitions(?) for the fields commonly agreed on terms. So I created tags like that. Thank you!
Thank you both for this inspiring and insightful video. I got lots of input and ideas for my own roam database. I have one question. How do you style the quotes copied with the bookmarklet at around ruclips.net/video/A6PIrVZoZAk/видео.html? I can't find the proper css rule in the public CSS github.com/jmharris903/Railscast-for-Roam-Research-Theme/blob/master/RailsRoam.css. Thanks for your help.
The hands on views start at 6:04...
Seems like his database isn't public anymore ...
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I can now see a new currency, "thought coins" the knowledge miner.
I wouldn't lock away my life time worth of notes behind a stupid paywall when there are so many free alternatives out there. Roams pricing model is simply not adequate for the use case of a permanent knowledge base.
So sad roam is paid.
What do you mean? Roam is free
@@kristofferbalintona2755 It will soon(this month) become paid only. $15 /month.
50% off for students.
Why is this sad? I’d be a lot more concerned if it was free. Free means it ceases to exist at some point, sells your data, or becomes open sourced and loses all unique perspective or coherent design direction. I’ll happily pay to avoid any one of those scenarios.
It's never sad to properly compensate those people building awesome tools
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