A friend said to a group chat earlier this week that statistics take the fun out of games (she had gone down a poker rabbit hole). I told her there's a guy on RUclips that does stats magic for us in a game I play online and we all love him for it. So, thanks for more maths that I couldn't come up with on my own. It's great stuff.
Ah I see what she's going with. Making videos like this can feel a bit more like work sometimes 😄 but it's still my blood and guts and my duty to provide the answers to you
Thanks for putting this together! Really helpful to see things from a statistical analysis point of view. I reckon by the time Echo Tribute releases I'll have saved up around 250 GR summons, and will definitely end up going with the exclusive shimmer record as I'm missing so many key shimmer epics.
As soon as you asked what we value the abilimon at my first thought was 6k crystals. I'd trade 30 summons knowing I'm most likely getting 29 3* starimon and a 4*. I *think* I can scrape to 150 summons to get that, but there's no way I'm hitting 250 and I also can't be assed to force that with this short of a window. Maybe if we were getting the numbers on costs today and being told it goes live in 2 months, it would be way more feasible for f2p to fully enjoy the event. Right now it looks like a money grab attempt and thats fine because I'm going to get everything I can out of it as a f2p, but it' just kinda suck that I have to roll for this and also hope I dodge Abigail pulls because she's just gonna sit there in my box
That's the scary part. the chances you get a legendary shimmer record is very low. super low that very few players can get legendary shimmer to this exclusive shimmer record.
Thanks for going over this. I've been saving since the release of your video stating to save for this event, but have only accumulated 35 gold records and about 9k gems. To get the exclusive shimmer record, one needs about 50k gems. I feel pretty stuck with 5 days remaining before this event arrives.
This feels tough for me. I already have Alice, Bonnie, Pandora, and Tevor. But there are still so many other useful shimmers. I guess my problem is also wanting to hold my stocked gold records for a new epser thats of interest. But also saving ssms for that hmmmm....
You can wait for the next patch notes to come out. There is usually aa fair bit of overlap between current event phases and the next patch notes. So you could hold the gr til the end of Abigails banner and get a glimpse of what's coming.
My theory is that if the Abilimon question was divided into 2 questions there would be a MUCH different answer. *How much do you think Abilimon SHOULD be worth?* *5000* - should be exclusive and hard to obtain to help maintain desirability, value, and longevity *How much do you think Abilimon ARE CURRENTLY worth?* *1000* - Easy to obtain, relatively easy to obtain game changing upgrades on worthwhile Espers *2000* - Feels balanced, rate coincides nicely with legendary Esper obtainment rate *3000* - Harder to obtain, forces focus onto very specific Espers *>5000* - Very difficult to obtain, every Abilimon received is like a man in the desert receiving a drop of water I just threw this together and there are probably flaws in my logic, but if the question was divided up this way I believe the answers would vary drastically from the original poll. Also, my personal opinion: The value they should be at? No idea, but I don't believe maxing 1 or 2 legendary Espers every month or two for a dolphin is very rewarding, and I'm sure it feels worse for full F2P. I also think it's good to force focus on your favorite Espers because it helps make your account feel... customized. It also helps that feeling of excitement when you obtain one. Possibly around 2000 to 3500 crystals. The value they are currently at? >5000 - They are definitely very difficult to obtain and it drives me nuts that I can see an offer to get 2 of them with some other useless stuff for $30 and it crosses my mind that it might be a "good deal". I don't personally think having them be nearly as abundant as epic Abilimon would be a good idea for longevity, BUT I think a couple more natural F2P sources would be very healthy for the current state of the game. It feels inherently wrong to have a system set up where: I obtain 2 DPS legendary Espers. I decide that one has better AoE, the other has better single target. I can only max one of them, so I choose the one with better AoE, which helps their single target be about similar to the other no-upgrade Esper. The no upgrade legendary Esper is pretty much now left to rot. I won't use them for nearly any content because it isn't worth dumping 15 Abilimon into them to have slightly better single target when there is a chance I could pull Jiang Jiuli or Clara and desperately need those Abilimon. TL:DR - RIP Tevor (jk... kinda. RIP Narmer tho fr fr, can you imagine putting 10 Abilimon into him and then pulling Unas?)
this is a pretty clear video imo (and ive also been coping over how i might not get the exclusive shim rec for like 10 days because i already wanted to get it before this vid)
So in order to buy them all you need 460 GR (you don't need to but..), I skip 2 banners yet I haven't reach that amount of GR even if i included with NC and SSM (around 31 multi pulls) so sad as F2P but I'm gonna pull for this event because I haven't done it since a long time beside I really need inferno esper too many flow espers.
Ive been playing for about 6 months now, and the only 4*+ shimmer I have is Zhong nan…I wish there were better ways to get shimmers in this game, I feel like their value is extremely overinflated in the market.
This event is not even here to help the F2p players what is the point in events if everyone cant do them. Might as well put this in that echo section as a permanent thing where it refreshes every month or something like that. f2p players have no way prepare for events like these with no notice at all. I'm super displeased with this event imo events should be doable for everyone as long as you are playing the game.
Yea the only option we have is to save for months and months and pray that we will get an event like this but this will make your game super boring and u will quit in no time that’s why I don’t care for events like this
Been saving since the event got announced and I only got like 40 gr 😭 ain't no way I'm getting to even 150, though I already have most of the "meta" shimmers like tiger mommy and alice
Didn't know where to post this, but is it better to roll for flat stats or percentages? And what are the factors for it? If there is a video for it that you have already made, I apologize and will look for it while I wait for a response. Thank you again for all the insight and content! Keep up the good work. 🤘🏽
Yeah no worries bro you tried and I have hundreds of videos haha. Percentages are 99% off the time better than flats. A maxed out flat gives about 25% hp as opposed to a % relic that gives 53%.
@@DaddyF2P oh sorry I should have specified I meant for the sub stats mainly on all relics. I did see the video about how relic 2/4/6 should always be percentages with exception to spd of course.
Imma give a hot take: I think gold records should be sold at 100 nexus crystals. (Or even less) if this game gonna be this expensive. I know it’s a gotcha and all, but god damn I’m too poor for this shit. And I play on two accounts xD
I mean, ofc u value legendary abilimon to 1k gem + atm, me too tbh if i could buy it to 1k i would do it, even if i said i think they should cost less than 1k BUT this value exist ONLY bcz they are so rare, and they shouldn't be that rare imo. I got my 150day playing reward this morning and i have only 4 legendaries skill up ( i near my 5th ), considering how many leg we have and the fact there is 2 new legendaries/month, this is way too little.
i think value of L Abilimon is 1000. i just compare in PW shop, there are you can buy the nexus and L abilimon. 50 PW poin for 50 nexus, and 1000 poin for L abilimin.
Going by this argument then Legendary Abilimons should be free because you can get it for free in Temporal Tower. The true value of something is not determined whether or not you can pick it off the floor per chance but rather what the average paying consumer is willing to offer for said product.
@@DaddyF2P I guess the value is whatever the beholder put it in. I agree with you and i'd buy it in a heartbeat at 3k-4k range considering how scarce they are.
There are some mistakes in the maths I think, one exemple : "GR per Epic+Shimmer" you don't calculate with the consolidated pull rate / aka with epic pity. I posted on your discord my data for K15 and K16 as you asked, I don't know if you spotted it. Skipping the event, because currently for me GR has close to no value, too high of a probability to get dupes, stacking them until I miss enough Esper or they change the system again. Like to calculate the value of Shimmer record or Gold Record it's important to calculate related to our current esper box.
Yeah you're right about the pity. The final result should be lower than 10,000 NC for a Excl Shimmer Record which makes it less desirable but i think doesn't detract too much from its value.
i agree with the idea and i suck at maths cant argue that, but although i do value legendary abilimons (they are very useful and artificially rare), the fact there isnt many way to get them doesnt make them worth a lot imo, like the devs are in control of the supply and demand of them so they could just give us more and it would cost them nothing therefore i dont value them at all, i just take the free ones and dip, i would probably buy one for 1k crystals but above that i would prefer to farm relics or roll the gacha. Just my opinion though, as i dont get many crystals being f2p and not buying packs for more or the monthly gem pack etc and relics/stats being the main decider (if not an esper check).
Supply and demand. To the devs the demand is mostly that of paid players. That's how you monetize a system. Besides, my value of the abilimon has no link to this video. If you value it less then don't buy the abilimon with the points
@@DaddyF2P yeah that is true, just i feel its too expensive, in the cash shop, just looking at the crystal packs without the double gain for me its £45 for 3200 crystals, if i valued each ability upgrade at 3k crystals and most characters take around 10 i would be paying £450 per character ability max also to get 250 summons that would cost me around £600 from the basic summon packs ignoring any special packs etc. Thats way too expensive imo, i do get where you are coming from tho and the value is 100% subjective Edit: typo
i just find it really interesting that they do this right after they render grs obsolete by removing rate up, so everyone feels comfortable just spending them all and then have nothing for this.
is there any chance you can do a video on infinity tower 7 to 9? max stars or at least what ya have done? im struggling with infinity tower 7 cause of lack of anesidora and i cant find any info on how others beat that without her or any good info in general. edit: i managed to get past the 7th and 8th floor lv
I love your videos and they're are always extremely helpful. but if you look at it, is it really worth it saving for months just to get [ 1 ] platinum shimmer record that might give you a trash shimmer? It doesn't seem right. If you really look at it, this is a terrible event that only benefits p2w players
An event specifically for whales... the game always gives a such poor impression of itself... man, it's so frustrating... add this to the terribly low rates and you have an inexistent F2P experience... I feel more and more that the only purpose of Dislyte is to milk the players as long as they can, they don't care about keeping the player base, which is such a shame because I really enjoy the game itself and I'd love to keep playing it for years but my frustration is growing every day, I know I'm going to lose any interest in no time if they keep going in this direction... like it already happened to so many people. Anyway thank you as always Daddy, really appreciate all the effort you put in your work!
I don't disagree at all - based on how little we know about things to come,most F2P players will not be hoarding 250 GR for sure. Unless this becomes a more regular event, it is surely heavily rigged towards P2W players.
if you ignore the rebate. the people who value the abilymon at 1000 will be able to buy 4 of them while you get only 1. and you need around 15 per legend. 15k per legend or 60k per legend. it is crystal clear for me, as someone who saved up crystals for a week or two at this very moment and only has 4k crystals, that above 1k for an abilymon is not an option
And someone who values a Legendary abilimon for 10 crystals will get 400? There's a difference between what people want and what the pricing is at that returns the best value for the company. At the end of the day its the same as buying an iPhone. Yes some people like me think it's way too expensive but my beliefs will never change a business model. Same goes for expensive bags
wow a couple shimmer records on a banner with 100 pity and a exclusive record that requires 250 gold record summons. Most people before knowing about this event did not save gold records and even now most ppl wont be hitting 250 summons in one update. Nobody wants to save forever and hope for another echo tribute either. They're taking forever to roll out this event and it only last like 2 weeks. Absolutely terrible.
As a half whale, I'm not excited by this event because it seems so blatantly targeted to force people into buying either crystals for summons or summon packs where odds are, you still aren't going to get the character you want/need. If the cost of some of these items (like the exclusive shimmer record) were lower, it would incentivize people to at least try to save summons to maybe get the legendary abilimon or a shimmer record or two. With how much these are you are pretty much forced to buy. Noy loving this at all
So are we actually summoning for characters to get points? Or are we just sacrificing records for points because if so I can't really get anything valuable since I only saved like 40 records.
Wait didn't the game introduce a 20 draw pity for shimmer records? If super suay kena pity, that would be 20 x 1000 (cost of SR sold) = 20,000? Would that change the math? My stats weak so need you to count haha 😅
Very True, but there is no way to just get 20 shimmer records. . . At best, you'll get 3 from the tribute event= 50*200*3= (30k Nexus) +ONE from the greywater shop for a total of 4 Shimmer records.
I've been saving since the start of Ashley banner pretty much and I'm at 60 GR. It's pretty impossible to reach 250, if we don't have any prior notice of what's going to happen soon in the game. Many players will just keep using GR until Lilith decide to better expose the idea of the upcoming event. And what's the deal of showing a different shop for us to buy things with nexus crystals to drop this 2 weeks after? Hum... Way too P2W.
I work in mysterious ways... Jokes aside, I do plan out my content based on the visible horizon so that what you guys watch would remain relevant at any current juncture
I feel like you're valuing a legendary abilimons at 4k nexus crystals is not actually valuing legendary abiliimons higher but valuing nexus crystals lower cuz your're p2w XD As a f2p 4000 crystals is HUGE, definitely not comparable to a legendary abilimon; at least for me.
@@DaddyF2P aye aye! really wish I had GRs saved up for this event for those shimmer records cuz my account really lacks shimmers. Asenath is the only shimmer I have above 3 star.. how unlucky can i be ..
I'm sorry but for f2p players the legendary abilmon is more worth it imo they are just way too scarce and saving 250 for just a epic shimmer is just meh you gotta be winning the lottery too hope for a legendary shimmer
I don't think the exclusive shimmer record is worth it, Because that's 50K nexus crystals worth of GR for what is likely going to be an epic, if it was a guaranteed legendary that would be different, but we'll see what happens
Most Epic Shimmers are S/SS tier and will be a massive edge for most players. Unless you already have most of them, it probably still has decent value. I am only lacking Alice so I am really thinking about this one for myself...
I’m saying you are wrong or that epic shimmers are bad, shoot I would really like to get Nicole myself, it’s just that is a lot for a epic unit you’ll probably end up summoning in your crusade to get this exclusive record
Legend Abilimons > everything. 8 years of devilmon farming in Summoners War... how gods of endurance are born. do you like your esper to do about clean 50% more dmg thanks due skillups? No? oh, okay... °L,° no bonus -1turn cooldown? no? oh, okay... °L,°
With all the respect i have for you, I strongly desagree with your analysis regarding the exclusive shimmer record. i'm really willing to tell you that turning an overly "pay to win" event into something tolerable while explaining it with selected statistics is really shameful. i'm more and more concerned about your conflict of interest with the dislyte bussiness' management team team when you make this type of content for us. Your thumbnail and title is really confusing/enticing for newcomers and i find lots of similarities with the way lilith is merchandising their product and your way of showcasing an event. I highly dislike that. Please change this title. I'm going to explain it, basing your ratio on the value of the item sold on an *event market* is really the worst maths that you could do to prove that that creation of this record is acceptable. Mainly because of the return of the endgame player with who i discussed we were adamant about the fact that 1k gem is overpayed by a lot for an event shimmer record. (and i'm talking about player from Top 3 holobattle club on global server buddy, not random player). For the F2P reading me : there is NO URGE TO THROW GR TO "BUY" THIS ITEM. I'm using the buying term in reference to your title and it's really representative to how this event is perceived by dolphin and whale. I'm a dolphin / whale too so i'm really willing to put things in the right perspective for everyone as someone experienced regarding the product this game is selling. If you fully pay for this record, 250 GR summon is worth ~500€, for a record that only allows you to have let's say 90-95% chance to get a 4* shimmer it's shameful from the root. Allowing this is as it is allowing the fact of having 5-15k expense to get a legendary shimmer esper as P2W. And this is not bearable at all for the F2P. I've seen some comments here stating that 4k gem is a pain in the ass to get for a F2P. If the balance between F2P and P2W player is too much oriented toward the P2W this game is gonna crash real hard. (this game has already suffered a massive bleeding of player compared to the start, mainly because of how aggressive they are at selling stuff to fast the progression) This game is harassing player by putting events after event telling them that this is "pure bonus" but in reality every event urges player to spend more and more their GR (which they hardly manage to save) or even cross the border of spending real money for this game. For those telling that it's a gacha and that's how it should be as this type of game and that it should stay like this : guys you do not get that there's is a limit to the fun of the pulling thrill. Especially when a player has to rely purely on RNG to get some MANDATORY char and get a bit of progress. There's no stable progression system in this game regarding the FIRST pull of a legendary that you don't have and that's what we've been telling to lilith for month and month. they've been ignoring each time this subject and keep spawning mechanics to increase the gap between F2P and P2W. Resonating a legendary char doesn't benefit to the vast majority of the player. Getting legendary ripple is impossible for people that don't get the char THEY WANT. This record is symptomatic of another cashgrab mechanic from them, so please do not get fooled. They should be giving player some rest to let them be able to pull in one big time punctually to have real gain / at least significantly higher chance of progression. Separatly of this revamp of their event, they should implement a milestone mechanic with a guaranted selected legendary char. Giving player at least a bit of hope that if they play daily, with assiduity they finally are gonna get the char of their choice. Finally, they should really start thinking about lowering their event pity to allow F2P and P2W to reach what they actually propose. Thanks for your reading i'm keeping this message in a note in the case where i have to repost it anywhere to explain things.
Regardless of feelings and trashy monetization practices I'm all about truths and what is the best value - your emotions towards the hard truth does not detract from the truth. And let's be real if you already have some of the epic/leg shimmers then the exclusive record is also worthless to you. But I apologise that my title made you upset
No you bad daddy, shimmers are a scam if something is not even giving me a useable character after 200 or so draws I would rather burn it in the streets then invest in it..Thnx for the effort though this math alone takes effort..
I think u forgot Raven who is also a Shimmer esper as well (or was it on purpose??🤨🤨). Jiang Jiuli probably not going to be in the exculsive shimmer record (assuming)🤔
250 to get exclusive shimmer huh.. i only got 5 gr hahahah but not regret summon because i got ophelia and gaius , still waiting for lin xiao though( dont have her, mommy tiger 😢 ) ....
@@devonzellpernell8895 I dont think she is that good. I have her and i prefer others dps. She needs 1 turn to set up and does less 1V1 damage than Ophelia, Lewis or even chalmer and less AOE damage than Zora, Gaius. She has a good def break, spead break tho
yea , lin xiao may not be the one vs one type with one shot type(well if your relice op maybe can?? not sure since i dont have her) but her aoe def and speed really helps a lot in alot content though.. and after got gaius , dont know where to use zora though...feel like gaius kit more powerful??
Listen - this is just purely statistical. There is nothing in this video suggesting if you should be chasing the rewards or buying things out of FOMO.
What fomo exists ?
If it guaranteed a legendary Shimmer then I'd definitely be all for it
A friend said to a group chat earlier this week that statistics take the fun out of games (she had gone down a poker rabbit hole). I told her there's a guy on RUclips that does stats magic for us in a game I play online and we all love him for it. So, thanks for more maths that I couldn't come up with on my own. It's great stuff.
Ah I see what she's going with. Making videos like this can feel a bit more like work sometimes 😄 but it's still my blood and guts and my duty to provide the answers to you
Thanks for putting this together! Really helpful to see things from a statistical analysis point of view. I reckon by the time Echo Tribute releases I'll have saved up around 250 GR summons, and will definitely end up going with the exclusive shimmer record as I'm missing so many key shimmer epics.
As soon as you asked what we value the abilimon at my first thought was 6k crystals. I'd trade 30 summons knowing I'm most likely getting 29 3* starimon and a 4*. I *think* I can scrape to 150 summons to get that, but there's no way I'm hitting 250 and I also can't be assed to force that with this short of a window. Maybe if we were getting the numbers on costs today and being told it goes live in 2 months, it would be way more feasible for f2p to fully enjoy the event. Right now it looks like a money grab attempt and thats fine because I'm going to get everything I can out of it as a f2p, but it' just kinda suck that I have to roll for this and also hope I dodge Abigail pulls because she's just gonna sit there in my box
I think moving forward players need to set the new minimum hoarding of GR to 300 for cash grab events like this
Get the exclusive shimmer record and summon a Bonnie or Taylor dupe
That's the scary part. the chances you get a legendary shimmer record is very low. super low that very few players can get legendary shimmer to this exclusive shimmer record.
Both are good by the way. But 4 -5 star shimmer units are still super rare.
@@benjamin0089 the real problem is getting 250 gold records as f2p to get that exclusive record lmao
I'm so excited to work my butt off to get 250 echo points so I can get max res Asenath instead of my first copy of Alice or Lin Xiao :(
so true
Feel like once again, the f2p are left behind as usual
Yeah currently only have 40 GR maybe I can get to around 60 or 70 by time the event starts.
@@kingkam2323 i'm not even trying to do this garbage event because you'll only able to have 1 thing and that's it as a f2p
@@jinayl740 facts I didn't even look at the shimmer record because I never have and probably never will save 250 summons in a game
Thanks for going over this. I've been saving since the release of your video stating to save for this event, but have only accumulated 35 gold records and about 9k gems. To get the exclusive shimmer record, one needs about 50k gems. I feel pretty stuck with 5 days remaining before this event arrives.
This feels tough for me. I already have Alice, Bonnie, Pandora, and Tevor. But there are still so many other useful shimmers. I guess my problem is also wanting to hold my stocked gold records for a new epser thats of interest. But also saving ssms for that hmmmm....
You can wait for the next patch notes to come out. There is usually aa fair bit of overlap between current event phases and the next patch notes.
So you could hold the gr til the end of Abigails banner and get a glimpse of what's coming.
BRUH so many shimmers
how lucky can you be T_T
Considering that except for Bonnie and Hela i dont have any of the other Epic Shimmers, if i get the echo points im getting the Exclusive record.
I'm very excited to get my second Cecilia
Already got my second, still hoping for literally any other shimmer leg 🙃
i got 2 legendary shimmers by now and they're obviously cecilia and tevor, i feel you
Unas was my 3rd legy.. but no luck with any other good legies
My theory is that if the Abilimon question was divided into 2 questions there would be a MUCH different answer.
*How much do you think Abilimon SHOULD be worth?*
*5000* - should be exclusive and hard to obtain to help maintain desirability, value, and longevity
*How much do you think Abilimon ARE CURRENTLY worth?*
*1000* - Easy to obtain, relatively easy to obtain game changing upgrades on worthwhile Espers
*2000* - Feels balanced, rate coincides nicely with legendary Esper obtainment rate
*3000* - Harder to obtain, forces focus onto very specific Espers
*>5000* - Very difficult to obtain, every Abilimon received is like a man in the desert receiving a drop of water
I just threw this together and there are probably flaws in my logic, but if the question was divided up this way I believe the answers would vary drastically from the original poll.
Also, my personal opinion:
The value they should be at?
No idea, but I don't believe maxing 1 or 2 legendary Espers every month or two for a dolphin is very rewarding, and I'm sure it feels worse for full F2P.
I also think it's good to force focus on your favorite Espers because it helps make your account feel... customized. It also helps that feeling of excitement when you obtain one.
Possibly around 2000 to 3500 crystals.
The value they are currently at?
>5000 - They are definitely very difficult to obtain and it drives me nuts that I can see an offer to get 2 of them with some other useless stuff for $30 and it crosses my mind that it might be a "good deal".
I don't personally think having them be nearly as abundant as epic Abilimon would be a good idea for longevity, BUT I think a couple more natural F2P sources would be very healthy for the current state of the game.
It feels inherently wrong to have a system set up where:
I obtain 2 DPS legendary Espers.
I decide that one has better AoE, the other has better single target.
I can only max one of them, so I choose the one with better AoE, which helps their single target be about similar to the other no-upgrade Esper.
The no upgrade legendary Esper is pretty much now left to rot. I won't use them for nearly any content because it isn't worth dumping 15 Abilimon into them to have slightly better single target when there is a chance I could pull Jiang Jiuli or Clara and desperately need those Abilimon.
TL:DR - RIP Tevor (jk... kinda. RIP Narmer tho fr fr, can you imagine putting 10 Abilimon into him and then pulling Unas?)
I have those epic shimmer you mentioned so I aim for abilimion or records
fair
this is a pretty clear video imo (and ive also been coping over how i might not get the exclusive shim rec for like 10 days because i already wanted to get it before this vid)
i like the math and explanations!
This makes sense, but if I was sensible I wouldn’t be playing gacha games ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We all in this sinking ship together
@@DaddyF2P 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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So in order to buy them all you need 460 GR (you don't need to but..), I skip 2 banners yet I haven't reach that amount of GR even if i included with NC and SSM (around 31 multi pulls) so sad as F2P but I'm gonna pull for this event because I haven't done it since a long time beside I really need inferno esper too many flow espers.
650 GR. For these events it's not targeted towards free players
Ive been playing for about 6 months now, and the only 4*+ shimmer I have is Zhong nan…I wish there were better ways to get shimmers in this game, I feel like their value is extremely overinflated in the market.
This event is not even here to help the F2p players what is the point in events if everyone cant do them. Might as well put this in that echo section as a permanent thing where it refreshes every month or something like that. f2p players have no way prepare for events like these with no notice at all. I'm super displeased with this event imo events should be doable for everyone as long as you are playing the game.
Yea the only option we have is to save for months and months and pray that we will get an event like this but this will make your game super boring and u will quit in no time that’s why I don’t care for events like this
Been saving since the event got announced and I only got like 40 gr 😭 ain't no way I'm getting to even 150, though I already have most of the "meta" shimmers like tiger mommy and alice
I think just save up GR
Didn't know where to post this, but is it better to roll for flat stats or percentages? And what are the factors for it? If there is a video for it that you have already made, I apologize and will look for it while I wait for a response. Thank you again for all the insight and content! Keep up the good work. 🤘🏽
Yeah no worries bro you tried and I have hundreds of videos haha. Percentages are 99% off the time better than flats. A maxed out flat gives about 25% hp as opposed to a % relic that gives 53%.
Same goes for sub stats
@@DaddyF2P oh sorry I should have specified I meant for the sub stats mainly on all relics. I did see the video about how relic 2/4/6 should always be percentages with exception to spd of course.
Imma give a hot take: I think gold records should be sold at 100 nexus crystals. (Or even less) if this game gonna be this expensive. I know it’s a gotcha and all, but god damn I’m too poor for this shit. And I play on two accounts xD
Honestly I think most people value it at 1000 or less is because we rarely get a lot of 5* so events and arena leg abilimon is enough for most people
Slaying with the new haircut
I mean, ofc u value legendary abilimon to 1k gem + atm, me too tbh if i could buy it to 1k i would do it, even if i said i think they should cost less than 1k BUT this value exist ONLY bcz they are so rare, and they shouldn't be that rare imo. I got my 150day playing reward this morning and i have only 4 legendaries skill up ( i near my 5th ), considering how many leg we have and the fact there is 2 new legendaries/month, this is way too little.
Instead of Daddyf2p i'm calling you Zaddyf2p now with that haircut
i think value of L Abilimon is 1000. i just compare in PW shop, there are you can buy the nexus and L abilimon. 50 PW poin for 50 nexus, and 1000 poin for L abilimin.
Exactly what I wanted to comment on his statement that legy abilmon is worth 4k nexus. He needs to re-do his math bcs 4k is obviously wrong.
Going by this argument then Legendary Abilimons should be free because you can get it for free in Temporal Tower. The true value of something is not determined whether or not you can pick it off the floor per chance but rather what the average paying consumer is willing to offer for said product.
@@DaddyF2P I guess the value is whatever the beholder put it in. I agree with you and i'd buy it in a heartbeat at 3k-4k range considering how scarce they are.
There are some mistakes in the maths I think, one exemple : "GR per Epic+Shimmer" you don't calculate with the consolidated pull rate / aka with epic pity.
I posted on your discord my data for K15 and K16 as you asked, I don't know if you spotted it.
Skipping the event, because currently for me GR has close to no value, too high of a probability to get dupes, stacking them until I miss enough Esper or they change the system again. Like to calculate the value of Shimmer record or Gold Record it's important to calculate related to our current esper box.
Yeah you're right about the pity. The final result should be lower than 10,000 NC for a Excl Shimmer Record which makes it less desirable but i think doesn't detract too much from its value.
i agree with the idea and i suck at maths cant argue that, but although i do value legendary abilimons (they are very useful and artificially rare), the fact there isnt many way to get them doesnt make them worth a lot imo, like the devs are in control of the supply and demand of them so they could just give us more and it would cost them nothing therefore i dont value them at all, i just take the free ones and dip, i would probably buy one for 1k crystals but above that i would prefer to farm relics or roll the gacha. Just my opinion though, as i dont get many crystals being f2p and not buying packs for more or the monthly gem pack etc and relics/stats being the main decider (if not an esper check).
Supply and demand. To the devs the demand is mostly that of paid players. That's how you monetize a system. Besides, my value of the abilimon has no link to this video. If you value it less then don't buy the abilimon with the points
@@DaddyF2P yeah that is true, just i feel its too expensive, in the cash shop, just looking at the crystal packs without the double gain for me its £45 for 3200 crystals, if i valued each ability upgrade at 3k crystals and most characters take around 10 i would be paying £450 per character ability max also to get 250 summons that would cost me around £600 from the basic summon packs ignoring any special packs etc. Thats way too expensive imo, i do get where you are coming from tho and the value is 100% subjective
Edit: typo
i just find it really interesting that they do this right after they render grs obsolete by removing rate up, so everyone feels comfortable just spending them all and then have nothing for this.
Yeap it's a wild roller coaster
is there any chance you can do a video on infinity tower 7 to 9? max stars or at least what ya have done? im struggling with infinity tower 7 cause of lack of anesidora and i cant find any info on how others beat that without her or any good info in general. edit: i managed to get past the 7th and 8th floor lv
I will get those done in a bit but honestly thank you for doing your own due diligence and realising I skipped those floors
Daddyf2p with new hairstyle
36,000 gems to fully skill up someone like a Gabby, anything over 1k is way to much.
That’s $502 worth of pure gem packs 😅
I love your videos and they're are always extremely helpful. but if you look at it, is it really worth it saving for months just to get [ 1 ] platinum shimmer record that might give you a trash shimmer? It doesn't seem right. If you really look at it, this is a terrible event that only benefits p2w players
If its a dupe its trash. If you don't have many it's a life saver
An event specifically for whales... the game always gives a such poor impression of itself... man, it's so frustrating... add this to the terribly low rates and you have an inexistent F2P experience... I feel more and more that the only purpose of Dislyte is to milk the players as long as they can, they don't care about keeping the player base, which is such a shame because I really enjoy the game itself and I'd love to keep playing it for years but my frustration is growing every day, I know I'm going to lose any interest in no time if they keep going in this direction... like it already happened to so many people. Anyway thank you as always Daddy, really appreciate all the effort you put in your work!
I don't disagree at all - based on how little we know about things to come,most F2P players will not be hoarding 250 GR for sure. Unless this becomes a more regular event, it is surely heavily rigged towards P2W players.
What about the nexus crystal rebate thing? Is that not on the test server yet?
if you ignore the rebate. the people who value the abilymon at 1000 will be able to buy 4 of them while you get only 1. and you need around 15 per legend. 15k per legend or 60k per legend. it is crystal clear for me, as someone who saved up crystals for a week or two at this very moment and only has 4k crystals, that above 1k for an abilymon is not an option
And someone who values a Legendary abilimon for 10 crystals will get 400? There's a difference between what people want and what the pricing is at that returns the best value for the company. At the end of the day its the same as buying an iPhone. Yes some people like me think it's way too expensive but my beliefs will never change a business model. Same goes for expensive bags
@@DaddyF2P im actuslly just trying to say that anything above 1k is not affordable for our legends.
We discussing what to buy meanwhile lilith games yes we want more money
wow a couple shimmer records on a banner with 100 pity and a exclusive record that requires 250 gold record summons. Most people before knowing about this event did not save gold records and even now most ppl wont be hitting 250 summons in one update. Nobody wants to save forever and hope for another echo tribute either. They're taking forever to roll out this event and it only last like 2 weeks. Absolutely terrible.
I'll just risk it all in Gold record, more GR means more chances of getting Legendary drop
But what if I have all but the new Shimmer epic, but only 1 shimmer lego (Odin).
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@@DaddyF2P Thanks daddy
Gonna get my 3rd copy of Cecelia 😈
As a half whale, I'm not excited by this event because it seems so blatantly targeted to force people into buying either crystals for summons or summon packs where odds are, you still aren't going to get the character you want/need. If the cost of some of these items (like the exclusive shimmer record) were lower, it would incentivize people to at least try to save summons to maybe get the legendary abilimon or a shimmer record or two. With how much these are you are pretty much forced to buy. Noy loving this at all
So are we actually summoning for characters to get points? Or are we just sacrificing records for points because if so I can't really get anything valuable since I only saved like 40 records.
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@@DaddyF2P thank god bc I wasn't about to was my records.
Wait didn't the game introduce a 20 draw pity for shimmer records? If super suay kena pity, that would be 20 x 1000 (cost of SR sold) = 20,000? Would that change the math?
My stats weak so need you to count haha 😅
Very True, but there is no way to just get 20 shimmer records. . .
At best, you'll get 3 from the tribute event= 50*200*3= (30k Nexus) +ONE from the greywater shop for a total of 4 Shimmer records.
It affects the final outcome and lowers the 10,000 NC quite a bit (devaluing the record) but I think it's still quite valuable
@@DaddyF2P haha still going to go for the abilimon and Exclusive Shimmer Record, priority being the Exclusive SR haha
Please explain why you think getting a Cecilia out of the epic+ shimmer record would be worth it? Does a dupe change anything?
No, dupe will be bad. I think for all shimmer types getting a dupe is terrible
But getting your first copy is the goal. That's what I meant
My main concern is that I dont have enough GRs, smh.
Ah, the beached whale
I've been saving since the start of Ashley banner pretty much and I'm at 60 GR. It's pretty impossible to reach 250, if we don't have any prior notice of what's going to happen soon in the game. Many players will just keep using GR until Lilith decide to better expose the idea of the upcoming event. And what's the deal of showing a different shop for us to buy things with nexus crystals to drop this 2 weeks after? Hum... Way too P2W.
Then i read 250 summons ... and laughed hard at this kind of events.
If we use 50 echo points for shimmer record is it gonna be reduce after?
I have no idea man
Should I spend my 1000 nexus crystals on the shimmer in Graywater or on GR?
I can't give you this answer. It really depends on how much you value the things you can do with 1000 NC - be it 900 Stamina, 5 GR, 1 Layla, etc
@@DaddyF2P Haha yeah I will just get a Layla! I’ll figure it out when echo tribute comes around, thanks for replying tho!
Will points we get for spinning be kept after the tribute though, that is a big question?
Seeing how Lilith is going, I assume the tribute points won't be retained after the event. Unless there's alot of noise made by players.
It won't be retained. It is mentioned at the bottom of the image.
@@DaddyF2P Ah yes thank you, I didn't spot the small text. Bummer though.
I thought you said you would do the video tomorrow
I work in mysterious ways... Jokes aside, I do plan out my content based on the visible horizon so that what you guys watch would remain relevant at any current juncture
Joke's on you I'm getting my 4th Nicole probably.
Do act 3 having a backup plan
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Please
What's act 3 🤔
@@DaddyF2P act 3 is new story line bro
I feel like you're valuing a legendary abilimons at 4k nexus crystals is not actually valuing legendary abiliimons higher but valuing nexus crystals lower cuz your're p2w XD
As a f2p 4000 crystals is HUGE, definitely not comparable to a legendary abilimon; at least for me.
Hey we all value things differently. That's not the point of this video though. If you value it less then don't buy it from the tribute
@@DaddyF2P
aye aye!
really wish I had GRs saved up for this event for those shimmer records cuz my account really lacks shimmers. Asenath is the only shimmer I have above 3 star.. how unlucky can i be ..
did you used to make seven knights content?
nop
I'm sorry but for f2p players the legendary abilmon is more worth it imo they are just way too scarce and saving 250 for just a epic shimmer is just meh you gotta be winning the lottery too hope for a legendary shimmer
Do we know when this starts on global?
15 oct
@@DaddyF2P thank you very much 😁 I've been itching to summon lol
I don't think the exclusive shimmer record is worth it, Because that's 50K nexus crystals worth of GR for what is likely going to be an epic, if it was a guaranteed legendary that would be different, but we'll see what happens
Most Epic Shimmers are S/SS tier and will be a massive edge for most players. Unless you already have most of them, it probably still has decent value. I am only lacking Alice so I am really thinking about this one for myself...
@@DaddyF2P that's what I'm thinking about as well "Is 50k nexus crystals worth for a chance to get Asenath?"
@@jeremyexpiritu5668 Just Asenath? I think not.
I’m saying you are wrong or that epic shimmers are bad, shoot I would really like to get Nicole myself, it’s just that is a lot for a epic unit you’ll probably end up summoning in your crusade to get this exclusive record
And Jeremy Expiritu Asenath is definitely not worth 50K nexus crystals,I know because I have her.
yeah man I can manage another 210 records in 10 days
and here i am after spending 20 GR, aw
No joke. Cecilia carried me in PW 16 with no speed lol. But if you don't care about PW ... she's useless.
Legend Abilimons > everything.
8 years of devilmon farming in Summoners War... how gods of endurance are born.
do you like your esper to do about clean 50% more dmg thanks due skillups? No? oh, okay... °L,° no bonus -1turn cooldown? no? oh, okay... °L,°
Imagine JJL from exclusive shimmer record 😶🌫️
Can't be me 😞
@@DaddyF2P you can one lah! Trust trust 😂🤙🏻
With all the respect i have for you, I strongly desagree with your analysis regarding the exclusive shimmer record.
i'm really willing to tell you that turning an overly "pay to win" event into something tolerable while explaining it with selected statistics is really shameful.
i'm more and more concerned about your conflict of interest with the dislyte bussiness' management team team when you make this type of content for us.
Your thumbnail and title is really confusing/enticing for newcomers and i find lots of similarities with the way lilith is merchandising their product and your way of showcasing an event.
I highly dislike that. Please change this title.
I'm going to explain it, basing your ratio on the value of the item sold on an *event market* is really the worst maths that you could do to prove that that creation of this record is acceptable. Mainly because of the return of the endgame player with who i discussed we were adamant about the fact that 1k gem is overpayed by a lot for an event shimmer record. (and i'm talking about player from Top 3 holobattle club on global server buddy, not random player).
For the F2P reading me : there is NO URGE TO THROW GR TO "BUY" THIS ITEM. I'm using the buying term in reference to your title and it's really representative to how this event is perceived by dolphin and whale. I'm a dolphin / whale too so i'm really willing to put things in the right perspective for everyone as someone experienced regarding the product this game is selling.
If you fully pay for this record, 250 GR summon is worth ~500€, for a record that only allows you to have let's say 90-95% chance to get a 4* shimmer it's shameful from the root.
Allowing this is as it is allowing the fact of having 5-15k expense to get a legendary shimmer esper as P2W. And this is not bearable at all for the F2P. I've seen some comments here stating that 4k gem is a pain in the ass to get for a F2P. If the balance between F2P and P2W player is too much oriented toward the P2W this game is gonna crash real hard. (this game has already suffered a massive bleeding of player compared to the start, mainly because of how aggressive they are at selling stuff to fast the progression)
This game is harassing player by putting events after event telling them that this is "pure bonus" but in reality every event urges player to spend more and more their GR (which they hardly manage to save) or even cross the border of spending real money for this game.
For those telling that it's a gacha and that's how it should be as this type of game and that it should stay like this : guys you do not get that there's is a limit to the fun of the pulling thrill.
Especially when a player has to rely purely on RNG to get some MANDATORY char and get a bit of progress. There's no stable progression system in this game regarding the FIRST pull of a legendary that you don't have and that's what we've been telling to lilith for month and month. they've been ignoring each time this subject and keep spawning mechanics to increase the gap between F2P and P2W. Resonating a legendary char doesn't benefit to the vast majority of the player. Getting legendary ripple is impossible for people that don't get the char THEY WANT.
This record is symptomatic of another cashgrab mechanic from them, so please do not get fooled.
They should be giving player some rest to let them be able to pull in one big time punctually to have real gain / at least significantly higher chance of progression.
Separatly of this revamp of their event, they should implement a milestone mechanic with a guaranted selected legendary char. Giving player at least a bit of hope that if they play daily, with assiduity they finally are gonna get the char of their choice.
Finally, they should really start thinking about lowering their event pity to allow F2P and P2W to reach what they actually propose.
Thanks for your reading i'm keeping this message in a note in the case where i have to repost it anywhere to explain things.
Regardless of feelings and trashy monetization practices I'm all about truths and what is the best value - your emotions towards the hard truth does not detract from the truth. And let's be real if you already have some of the epic/leg shimmers then the exclusive record is also worthless to you. But I apologise that my title made you upset
No you bad daddy, shimmers are a scam if something is not even giving me a useable character after 200 or so draws I would rather burn it in the streets then invest in it..Thnx for the effort though this math alone takes effort..
I think u forgot Raven who is also a Shimmer esper as well (or was it on purpose??🤨🤨). Jiang Jiuli probably not going to be in the exculsive shimmer record (assuming)🤔
I don't think you can pull Raven outside of SSM anymore
@@DaddyF2P is that so??? What a shame :(
So unless you are a whale 🐳 or you’ve saved a lot this event isn’t really worth it.
Lol but what if we dont hv that much gold records
Maybe save for the next Echo Tribute but I really don't know if it cycles
@@DaddyF2P i m a f2p i m saving over 1000 GR I'll give you my acc to draw. When then will release new sets of character
Me sitting here as f2p knowing I can't get 250 gold records 🙄
it's possible! last time I summoned was Gaius banner
@@dstryfe47 yeah but whos really trying to wait a month or so just for [ 1 ] platinum shimmer record. It's not worth it for the wait honestly
I like you hair here better
Whale event kinda meh, Hope it's gonna be only once and never see it again
imma skip tbh...
Daddypotato
Another scam event i don't spend any gr
250 to get exclusive shimmer huh.. i only got 5 gr hahahah but not regret summon because i got ophelia and gaius , still waiting for lin xiao though( dont have her, mommy tiger 😢 ) ....
I got Lin and she really is a game changer.
@@devonzellpernell8895 I dont think she is that good. I have her and i prefer others dps. She needs 1 turn to set up and does less 1V1 damage than Ophelia, Lewis or even chalmer and less AOE damage than Zora, Gaius.
She has a good def break, spead break tho
yea , lin xiao may not be the one vs one type with one shot type(well if your relice op maybe can?? not sure since i dont have her) but her aoe def and speed really helps a lot in alot content though.. and after got gaius , dont know where to use zora though...feel like gaius kit more powerful??
@@nweirdo3358 gaius is zora under steroid.
Worst choice to make 2 espers that are the same type doing the same thing
@@P.A.Z.2033 i havent train zora though... wow that make me feel like gaius makes her quite useless... sad had to bench her then....
Wait I see you with that channel membership! Thanks bruv