I checked out on baseball for the first time in my life in 2020.....Looks like next year will be a repeat if Marmol and Moe is still running the Titanic?
Funny how last year (2023), when we as fanbase expect them to have a press conference after the horrible losing season... they are a "no-show" and tell us to basically get lost... Now, when we "don't" want to hear what they have to say. Just fire everyone... they schedule an immediate press conference... to tell us exactly what we "don't" want to hear.... that they are bringing Oli and Mo back... this organization is bass ackwards, and arrogant about it...
Anybody who thought Mo would step down was just deluding themselves. He really should, but I never truly believed he would. I've been a vocal critic of Marmol, but I also am not surprised to hear he'll be sticking around. It's tough to see him still managing, but he was given two very dysfunctional teams these last few seasons. I will agree that this was not his fault. How he managed them was. Goldschmidt not returning hurts from a sentimental standpoint, but it is the right decision if the goal is long-term success, once again. He's been a great player for years, and I wish him nothing but the best, as he likely finishes his career with Arizona. As for Gray... This doesn't surprise me to hear. What does is how quickly these rumors have started. Provided we get some genuinely talented looking prospects for him, and maybe one that is near MLB ready? Then I'll be okay with it. He's been what i expected him to be, and needed more support. He's been good; I'm still happy he's (for the moment) our guy. If he goes for the right place, I will also be more than okay with this. Here's to 2025. For better or worse.
I'm 66, been a Cardinal fan since I was 5 and I hope they can get the minor league back to one of the best in the league, I believe that is a prime reason for success. Then they can go out and fill in with top free agents. We can get back to what we were and if that entails a couple of rough years then it would be worth it. Good cheap minor leaguers are a key in my view.
You are 100% correct. You need to build core players in your own ststem. Then go after the big free agents when the time is right. We're going to be a mediocre team for a long time if this is the way the front office wants to run things
Hey JD; Great show. In football terms, you are a great ball carrier in all things Cardinals! Very interesting INFO. Thanks for all your hard work to bring great content! The times are very interesting for Cardinal Nation!
Mozeliak waiting another year to step down is selfish and egotistical on his part. Marmol needs to step aside or get him a strong knowledgeable sidekick.
Not totally disagreeing here, but, Bloom is going to have a daunting task to restructure both the farm system and the big club including adding a boat load of coaching staff. I'm still a Shildt man and have been fuming his dismissal when he had the club operating to the Cardinal standards. MO should have been gone a longtime ago with his stale idea and mismanagement of money on inferior talent. The only reason to keep MO at this juncture is to give time for Bloom to grab this mess and shake some sense into it. I don't like it but there it is. The only thing I can hope for is that the important decisions behind the scenes will have been stripped from MO.
What could DeWitt do that would make you think he cares? Spend more money? How much more? Give a number. $10 Mil? $20 Mil? $50 Mil? Every penny to his name?
I think we tried to make a go of it this season after last season. And while there was improvement, ultimately it wasn't enough and we will never be contenders the way we are. If we want to be more than a 500, middle of the pack team, then I think it's gonna take a whole rebuild. But I agree with you that it seems crazy to do that with all the same people in charge that got us into this in the first place.
MONEY, is why MO and Oli will still be here next year. If they fire those two would they be owed the salary?? Can the GM not good enough to make a deal?? Dewitt just wants a yes man. If they do add to player development, add instructors and resources it has to be paid for. So there will be a salary dump at the big league level. The overall salary will be down because Dewitt is cheap but wants fans in the stands with a ok team.
I'll be very surprised if they do the total tear down. I get trading Heisley, great closer but he's in a contract year. Goldy moving on is a no brainer. Not picking up options on Lynn and Gibson is easy. Wilson the only one that makes sense if they move a big contract. I like him a lot be we have two cost controlled young catchers that played plenty this season. I think we can cut $30-40 million from the payroll with out gutting the team. Just by doing the above moves that much is saved. That's not counting trying to move Matz and Miles and eating whatever is needed in salary.
Yeah 💯 facts Bloom in means we going full TB mode now low payroll build through draft only to let em walk in FA because Dewitt won't spend top dollar like the real contenders do say hello to the moneyball Cardinals folks we won't contend again as long as the penny pinching Dewitts own the team
I feel sorry for you J. D. You do a great job and deserve a better team to talk about. As a life long Cards fan I have checked out the last couple years. The smart people in the front office aren’t smart enough nor deserve to run this franchise. Need baseball people to run a team.
I could see Goldie, Contreras, and Arenado in Milwaukee. They would have to take less money but Contreras could play with his brother and the Lock on Brewers guy said be open to all three. I'm happy to go young. If your over thirty you are gone.
You are so right about things being wrong. I'm still having philosophical differences. I thought I would retire and spend some more time at the ball park. That ain't happenin'. Everyone else knows when things aren't going well, you pay the guys at the top millions and keep the team. Here in bizzaro world we fire the team and keep the guys at the top. We had differences with Joe Torre and he did that Yankee thing. Let's let Oli get Tampa or Seattle their World series'. I can't figure out the Picasso that guys are creating. See you in a minimum of two years.
I'm on board with that. The organization really needed to review his player development as they have either fail to produce player or couldn't get them to the level they were supposed to. So invest in player development overviewed by Bloom who did that with Rays and Red Sox. This way the team doesn't need to patch holes with barely over replacement level and pay for it (Lynn, Gibson, Matz,...) instead of getting time for our prized prospects. You have then more payroll to get superstar to complement those good foundation and go for it.
Only thing I regret is that they use this investment process to justify cutting payroll at the MLB level. IMO since 2011, the team has been downhill and trying to maintain a process that wasn't working. Even players we expected to carry the team failed to meet expectations (tsunami, wong,...) WE had some success story liké Carpenter being a late round who panes out. I find Mo did a good job by trying to maintain this process the best he could liké getting Arenado, Goldschmidt,... But the rest of the league has catch up on us and you see more error in trades, free agency,...
The Cardinals are probably doing Goldschmidt a favor. Hopefully, he will be offered a contract by a legitimate contender and have the opportunity to play for a championship, something he never did in St. Louis or never would have had the opportunity to do.
I get keeping Mo as POBO next year. I have a feeling that some VERY unpopular moves are going to be made, such as moving on from Gray and 'Nado, maybe even Contreras. Definitely Helsley. Let Mo take the fan backlash from those moves. Give Bloom a shit-shield so that he doesn't get the same backlash that he did in Boston so that he can take over clean in '26. Now, the one problem I DO see for next year, if they move on from all those stars, is How do you sell tickets? They need that revenue, even if they do massively slash payroll. If there's nobody the fans want to watch playing, how do you put butts in the seats? 2025 is looking to be a very lean year, from where I'm sitting.
I have been a cardinal fan for most of my life. I’m 58 years old. I started watching it when I was a kid eight years old. I have seen the team be good be bad but never never this bad and it’s not the team. It’s the front office and they still keep them. They don’t wanna pay money for anything. They don’t wanna give money for anything. It’s a sad day and Cardinals history.
Well, I hope DeWitt's are prepared to foot the bill on an Empty Stadium Due to the fact that MO and Oli are returning in their current rolls. That isn't an improvement so expect the same if not worst for next year
So what they're saying is, "we hear you, we know you're upset with us (Ollie and Mo), so... but we're not going anywhere, so what we'll do is "re-vamp" our AA and AAA system under us, and we'll see ya next year!" This is disgusting, the fans fan spoken and they don't care. Fire Ollie and I'll support the team again. Until then, we bring our kids, parents and Grand parents for a team that clearly doesn't care about us.
I’m really disappointed that Goldy is going. I wish him the best. I don’t know what has happened in the club but I really hope it changes for the better. I’d hate to lost another team. 🥺
@@debbie1483 it was his fault his motb in this lineup was worse than horrendous it was demoralyzing when ever he did not play the cardinals looked like a team for once
Posey now leading SFG and here comes Captain Bow tie in STL. I’m still a Cardinals fan but I’m gonna follow where Skip goes on the regular. I so apathetic about the leadership of JM and OM.
I mean if they are going to do a complete rebuild for 2025 Oli might as well be the manager lol 😂?! If Mo is better at GM than Bloom...which I don't know man lol, but if so why not have Mo in the rebuild!? I don't like a complete rebuild man! Especially moving on from Helsley, Contreras, and Arenado! I understand trading Helsley yes, but how do you replace him down the road? Contreras was one of our best hitters, and catchers stat wise this season. Arenado's power numbers were down yes, but he still had above average offense in most other categories for an MLB 3B. Plus Arenado's defense was ranked 3rd best defensive in the MLB with only Ramirez and Machado ahead of him defensively! Also, Arenado's salary is going to incrementally decrease the next 3 seasons to $21 million in 2025, $16 million in 2026, and $15 million in 2027. He's a hard guy to replace man! Gray's contract is going way up, so I understand wanting to trade him in a rebuild season. I'm actually ok from a partial rebuild, just not full fledged. I would love to move on from Mikolas and Matz, wanted that for last season lol!
I'm done. I can't watch them on TV anymore because of the craziness with Bally and now, after two disastrous seasons they decide to keep the Ollie and Mo and get rid of Goldy. Been a Cardinals fan for a long, long, time. Actually took my honeymoon to StL to watch the Cardinals in 1976. No more. Maybe I will become a White Sox fan. At least we know they are terrible and have no way to go but up - and I can watch them on TV. The brass at StL has decided to "blow up" the team and start over. The Cardinals have been one of the top teams in attendance for as long as anyone can remember will now look like the Marlins or Rays when attendance is announced. I know one family that has centered many, many short vacations around the Cardinals home schedule that will be spending our entertainment dollars elsewhere. It takes 2 1/2 hours to drive from my house to Busch. It takes 2 hours 1 minute to get to Guaranteed Rate Field. Cheaper tickets, better seats, easier drive, and a team that actually values its fans.
Marmol should decline, and look for a baseball job somewhere else. He performed a miracle in 2024 keeping this senior league team above .500 for the year, and he has a Division championship on his resume. Staying in StL under Mo/Bloom and this front-office's dysfunction will only devalue him in the future. He should leave immediately for a better situation. Goldy could wind up in Milwaukee next year, and Gray in Cincinnati --- and both with added incentive every time they play the Cardinals. StL's fire sale this off-season will put the team below everybody else in the Division next year. Fans will stay away from the ball park even more than in 2024, and attendance won't be bolstered by so many corporate season ticket buyers. Great job, DeWitt.
@@williamyoder-b5s I'm a Tigers fan since '68, and Cardinals fan since '64; there is no comparison between how bad Baez was versus Goldy's hitting decline, where Paul continued to drive in a lot of runs and hit 23 homers on a team that didn't put a lot of players on base to score much, he hit .267 from July 1 to end of season, so Goldy made adjustments to better his hitting, actually he was only bad in April and May; Baez was a .200 hitter who struck out all season, made no adjustments to improve, and from most accounts is a liability in the clubhouse; when the Tigers sat him, the Tigers won more games than with him playing.
I was hard on mo an the front office but i do thnk most r over reacting they did admit there needed to b change and what they use to have success with was not working anymore and that they needed to improve to keep up so no matter how the words come off thats good enough for me i dont agree with most that things r way off we were basically a playoffs contender most of the yr the team as it stands 1b Burly 2b Donovan ss winn 3b arronado c contereas lf noot cf siani rf walker dh gorman with a rotation of #1grey#2pallante #3fedde#4mcgreevy #5mikolis/matz/free agent/ Thompson/and helsly as closer this aint a bad team the young guys could b bttr nxt yr and make a big difference so theres hope i agree with them we weren't that far away from postseason i thnk there is hope for nxt yr they move on from goldy lynn Gibson kittrigdge etc shed some payroll woopty doo thing's could b worse this team will b bttr now with them gone with the younger players playing a full yr people just need to give it a shot instead of always being negative go cards!!
Attendance is down? Take a look at the ballpark. It’s loud. The only time they don’t play loud rap music is when the batter is getting a pitch. Guests can’t talk, you can’t relax or chat with your kids. People leave after six innings because they can’t endure it any more.
The Cardinals got complacent. The Reds talk about being a small market and usually end up below .500. The Pirates usually end up in 5th place and do not spend money on free agents. The Cubs are financially well off but they are the lovable losers. Milwaukee is a small market but they find ways to have good seasons. Cardinals now care about just getting into the playoffs as a wild card and hope for the best. The next POBO will have the chance to hire a new manager.
Lifelong Cards fan, but keeping Moe and Marmol is ridiculous. They are no longer committed to winning. . They should have traded Goldy. Suck it up management, can Moe & Oli to get back on track to be a respectable team.
The point is, that competing simply to make the Wildcard is not good enough. The goal is to win a World Series. That means first of all winning the Division, and then going on to win the WS. Playing 500 ball with the hopes of the planets aligning in favour of a wildcard is not what Cardinal Fans want. Anything short of a World Series victory represents failure!
Getting rid of Paul Goldschmidt is just one of many problems that is currently there. The signings they have made last year during the off season and at the mid trade deadline were not great. All hitters from the Cardinals for the most part look lost at the plate swinging at pitches in the dirt, trying to hit the ball out the stratosphere. The fielding errors have not been great for the Cardinals this season as well. Also the pitching. Always behind in counts, throwing balls down the middle, can’t get quality starts. This organization entirely is a mess. There should be no reason the Cardinals are not competing for the wild card with the amount of potential talent they have on that roster.
Sounds like ownership still doesn't have a clue. Trying to cure a major problem with a bandaid. They need to clean house and rebuild and maybe in a year or two the can get back to the Cardinals way.
Too bad the Cardinals can not do both …. rebuild the farm system AND Stay competitive. Obviously an ownership decision. Likely not the only owners to do this. Will this be ok with fans ??? If lower attendance means the team can do less, will they eventually have to sell ?? Sell now while they are ahead ?? Guessing they hope young guys will win more games than people expect and fans will show up.
If Goldschimdt goes to the Brewers, they'll make him a solid bat again. And inevitably he'll hit 4 home runs and steal 4 bases every time he plays the Cardinals.
I'm fine with Mo working his way out & giving chiam room to work out development stuff. But what in the hell does Marmol got on Skip. Answer : Nothing. He's minor league coach. Changing him out with Skip would have satisfied the majority of fans. Arenado & Contreras have got to be pissed. Colorado all over again.
Goldsmith has 1 bad year and GONE ! I think that is a mistake. Do not care about Conteras. Marmol back HORRIBLE. Moe staying again... HORRIBLE. I think they will cut Goldy, Contreras and Arenado.
I've always been a Cardinal fan, but never have I had such a lack of interest in the team, or for that matter, baseball in general. Just nothing to cheer or get excited about whatsoever. And now, all that ever comes to mind, is the constant information about what kind of an exorbitant contract a player gets.
I get keeping Oli another year but Mo? Seriously...the architect of all the problems gets to stay and start the rebuild? I didn't go out for any games this year. We usually come our once or twice a year from OKC for the express purpose of seeing a game. As long as Mo is there, my baseball dollars will be spent in other cities. I will see the Cardinals on the road. No more of my money goes to DeTwitt.
When folks are used to watching a team moving runners, swinging at strikes, not balls, a well-coached team with discipline and purpose; it becomes UNIVITING to pay to see a team of failed bats and giveaway victories for DEFEATS! Too much talent unharnessed.
Mo has a big ego. He has been as great and as big as he is in his own mind. After Mo pushed Jocketty out it was Larussa that kept the team together. Larussa wasn’t a yes man either was Schildt which is why they are gone. They have progressively gotten worse and I really don’t see them being much better until the leadership who can’t lead us gone.
So they never intended to keep Sonny they just signed him to appease the fans for a year. It’s just stupid I would argue we could get rid of Goldie, Nado, Mikolas and spend that money on starting pitching and go with the young position players and be a much better team.
I've been proudly following the cardinals for over 50 years and up until the last couple of years have been 100 percent behind them. But I'm done with these losers. When they start worrying about winning again and get rid of the trash I'll consider again but probably not. And I don't care if you think I'm a fairweather fan or not. Mozeliak has trashed this team
I'm not jumping on this Cardinals train ever again until Oli and Mo are gone. Sorry, but they (mainly Mo) are the reasons we keep sending away young talent that blossom on other teams. If we're going with a change in philosophy, then we need a complete change.
my family is deep rooted as a cardinal fan. My father watched the Cardinals since he was a little boy and he died when he was 90 I’m 58 years older and followed it with him. I have never seen a team do with this team is doing disrespected its fans not willing to put money into the team and I am old-school. I don’t like spending $300 million on a player who is not worth 300 million but not willing to give normal price for a player. We’re not willing to make this team work. We’re not willing to build this team. I’m very upset. I am very angryphilosophy they’re talking about. There’s no need to change the philosophy. We go back to playing the cardinal way what happened to the cardinal
They need a minimum investment law put into the league. So penny pinching owners have to come off money every year to improve the team. Penalty is you have to sell the team if you won't properly invest in the team.
Cardinals adjusted payroll was at $175 million this past year. In what way was this penny pinching??? I get being upset about how the season ended…..but this wasn’t an issue with Bill DeWitt not spending money….Cards had the pieces to be a playoff caliber club. Shit simply did not pan out. If Nolan Arenado and Paul Goldschmidt were performing 20% better this year they they wound up, this team is at 90 wins and are likely in the playoffs. This boils down to inconsistency with the young kids and a huge drop off of the studs.
Whoopsie doo four games over 500 wow in second place but we missed the playoffs again until we get rid of the two people that need to go Mo and Ollie marmel this team will never make the playoffs again
Attendance drop...... Sure, a lot of it has to do with team performance, but this was still a winning team. I think too many fans, reporters, writers, bloggers, etc..... completely ignore the overall state of the economy and people have less money for recreational activities. Even if someone already has the tickets, it can still be expensive to attend the game.
Mo & Ollie need to go? Not coming back if they're back? Not a serious fan if making those kind of comments IMO. I've stuck with them no matter who the manager was. (Keane, Red, Boyer, Mathene just to name a few) I may not agree or like decisions made, but I still watch and always will. Their record this year wasn't bad, its just that fans wanted more. Change is coming....Will it result in something positive? Time will tell.....
Well I guess they don't get I keeping Mo an ol a loser getting rid of Goldy another loser an as for. me an season ticket holders we won't be returning another loser for them sad but I hope more will turn in theirs also really sad
Cards 2024 payroll ranked 11th in MLB, which isn't bad for a barely mid-market team. Several teams had lower payrolls and better records. It's not always about the money.
THERE IS ONE REASON you retain MO... he knows everyone in the league. If you're going to GUT the team, he knows who might want different players, he might be better to make the trades with the goal of getting the Cardinals down to about 50 million in payroll. Get ready and start not using the TERM BEST FANS IN BASEBALL... the Cardinal fans will prove St Louis are NOT the best baseball fans. They support WINNERS like most other cities... PERIOD! Additionally we're NOT a baseball town St Louis is a FOOTBALL town like every other city. Sucks baseball is our #1 sport because now St Louis won' t be a sports destination. I also feel bad for all those business around the stadium that depend on people coming downtown... that isn't going to happen now. Look for multiple business to CLOSE over the next few years. This rebuild will take 5 years maybe longer.
Skip was available. Why didn’t we get him? He’s cardinals royalty and way better than oli. The only reasons olis first season was decent was because Skip was his bench coach. How do people not see this. And we wouldn’t need a rebuild completely if Oli and John were gone. Or smart. Trading Edman for Pham and fedde was dumb. Keeping Mikolas would be dump. Getting rid of Sonny or Arenado would be really dumb. Quit hiring old players for a reunion tour or a last ride season. I can see one that doesn’t play much and doesn’t earn much but they piled the old guys on this year. I can’t believe we’re even at this point. This is the first year in I don’t know how long that I didn’t go to a single home game. Usually I make sure to go for opening and/or closing day and a time or 2 in between but they made me not want to spend my money this year.
I'm done. Fuck this franchise. They're doing what should've been done literally 8 years ago, now with the same two problems in dewitt and moron running the show. Maybe it's not fair bc I've been a cowboys, cardinals and bulls fan my entire life and the other two have given me 30 years of bullshit that I got no more rope to give with this franchise. Probably because unlike the other two I've been going to cardinals games so there's a physical connection unlike with the other two. The only prospect of rumored teams interested in Gray or speculative teams, is the c/1b prospect in Baltimore who's 20 in AAA with a 60 hit and power tool grade. Baltimore might be willing to part with him given their young nucleus and position to win now for Gray or Gray plus Helsley. All the other prospects feom speculative teams don't turn me on at all especially given their farm systems blow, or prospects are there years away and of course Gray isn't ohtani so they won't let go of their top guys. I'm fine moving helsley. You took him to arbitration for a million dollars. As little as that sounds history states players rarely if ever stay long-term with a team that fights them in arbitration. I'm fine with Nado being moved and eating money I'm not fine with Gray being moved bc shocked your one move that was going for it, didn't carry your team to 95 wins. Burnes with a big bat trade and coaching overhaul has you back to 95 wins with the kids playing. But no we're the dollar store of baseball now
You think Burnes and a big bat gets this team to 95 wins…..Unless that bat is Aaron Judge, you are high as a fucking kite 😂😂😂 Yeesh, the more emotional fans get, the dumber the ideas become….
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I checked out on baseball for the first time in my life in 2020.....Looks like next year will be a repeat if Marmol and Moe is still running the Titanic?
Funny how last year (2023), when we as fanbase expect them to have a press conference
after the horrible losing season... they are a "no-show" and tell us to basically get lost...
Now, when we "don't" want to hear what they have to say. Just fire everyone...
they schedule an immediate press conference...
to tell us exactly what we "don't" want to hear.... that they are bringing Oli and Mo back...
this organization is bass ackwards, and arrogant about it...
.......Let's see if that arrogance can get them over .500 the next 2 year's?
An absolute travesty to keep these two losers in charge. Shildt is in the playoffs BTW and was canned with an amazing record as manager.
It ain t your fuckin money
Where can we watch the conference is it on Bally Sports Midwest RUclips Channel?
All I can say is it’s a sad day and cardinal history
Anybody who thought Mo would step down was just deluding themselves. He really should, but I never truly believed he would.
I've been a vocal critic of Marmol, but I also am not surprised to hear he'll be sticking around. It's tough to see him still managing, but he was given two very dysfunctional teams these last few seasons. I will agree that this was not his fault. How he managed them was.
Goldschmidt not returning hurts from a sentimental standpoint, but it is the right decision if the goal is long-term success, once again. He's been a great player for years, and I wish him nothing but the best, as he likely finishes his career with Arizona.
As for Gray... This doesn't surprise me to hear. What does is how quickly these rumors have started. Provided we get some genuinely talented looking prospects for him, and maybe one that is near MLB ready? Then I'll be okay with it. He's been what i expected him to be, and needed more support. He's been good; I'm still happy he's (for the moment) our guy. If he goes for the right place, I will also be more than okay with this.
Here's to 2025. For better or worse.
Cards will be under 0.500 again in 2025 with Mármol like manager
With Oli as manager the Cards will always be a ".500" team.....at best !!!
You obviously don't know much about cards baseball.
This is way bigger than Ollie
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100%
Gee theyre over .500 this year.you do know being .500 is right
@@Bigbirdreese1600you are correct. The talent on this team is mediocre, sprinkled in with age, and horrible player development.
I'm 66, been a Cardinal fan since I was 5 and I hope they can get the minor league back to one of the best in the league, I believe that is a prime reason for success. Then they can go out and fill in with top free agents. We can get back to what we were and if that entails a couple of rough years then it would be worth it. Good cheap minor leaguers are a key in my view.
You are so wrong
@@REBIENCARBON1 in what way?
if they had a GM who didnt waste as much money as Mo has..........
You are 100% correct. You need to build core players in your own ststem. Then go after the big free agents when the time is right. We're going to be a mediocre team for a long time if this is the way the front office wants to run things
Something tells me the "Cardinals Cruise" is going to be on a pontoon boat the next few year's? 😑👈
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Hey JD;
Great show. In football terms, you are a great ball carrier in all things Cardinals! Very interesting INFO. Thanks for all your hard work to bring great content! The times are very interesting for Cardinal Nation!
This team doesn't need a rebuild but a few smart tweaks. Definitely need help in player development.
Mike Schildt is having a decent first year in San Diego. Just sayin.
Mozeliak waiting another year to step down is selfish and egotistical on his part. Marmol needs to step aside or get him a strong knowledgeable sidekick.
Not totally disagreeing here, but, Bloom is going to have a daunting task to restructure both the farm system and the big club including adding a boat load of coaching staff. I'm still a Shildt man and have been fuming his dismissal when he had the club operating to the Cardinal standards. MO should have been gone a longtime ago with his stale idea and mismanagement of money on inferior talent. The only reason to keep MO at this juncture is to give time for Bloom to grab this mess and shake some sense into it. I don't like it but there it is. The only thing I can hope for is that the important decisions behind the scenes will have been stripped from MO.
Best thing for us fans to do next year is not show up!! DeWitt doesn't care, why should we?
Albert brought me back after 2020. Marmol ran me back off in 2025. Just not going to do it.
@@JB1111-g4k exactly
I agree I won’t be there. I am done supporting a losing team
@@alexfearday962 They were not a losing team this season.
What could DeWitt do that would make you think he cares? Spend more money? How much more? Give a number. $10 Mil? $20 Mil? $50 Mil? Every penny to his name?
I think we tried to make a go of it this season after last season. And while there was improvement, ultimately it wasn't enough and we will never be contenders the way we are. If we want to be more than a 500, middle of the pack team, then I think it's gonna take a whole rebuild. But I agree with you that it seems crazy to do that with all the same people in charge that got us into this in the first place.
MONEY, is why MO and Oli will still be here next year. If they fire those two would they be owed the salary?? Can the GM not good enough to make a deal?? Dewitt just wants a yes man. If they do add to player development, add instructors and resources it has to be paid for. So there will be a salary dump at the big league level. The overall salary will be down because Dewitt is cheap but wants fans in the stands with a ok team.
I'll be very surprised if they do the total tear down. I get trading Heisley, great closer but he's in a contract year. Goldy moving on is a no brainer. Not picking up options on Lynn and Gibson is easy. Wilson the only one that makes sense if they move a big contract. I like him a lot be we have two cost controlled young catchers that played plenty this season. I think we can cut $30-40 million from the payroll with out gutting the team. Just by doing the above moves that much is saved. That's not counting trying to move Matz and Miles and eating whatever is needed in salary.
the cards will be fine just get rid of goldy and this team wins division
Mozeliak and Marmol returning means another losing season next year
Since you can tell the future who wins the preakness
Of course
While maybe not great, 83-79 is not a losing season.
@@georgesouthwick7000I mean 12 more wins with an arguably similar team. I think Oli turned it around a bit
Yeah 💯 facts Bloom in means we going full TB mode now low payroll build through draft only to let em walk in FA because Dewitt won't spend top dollar like the real contenders do say hello to the moneyball Cardinals folks we won't contend again as long as the penny pinching Dewitts own the team
Looks like a boycott next year.
Not another crybaby.
Cry me a river 😂😂
I feel sorry for you J. D. You do a great job and deserve a better team to talk about. As a life long Cards fan I have checked out the last couple years. The smart people in the front office aren’t smart enough nor deserve to run this franchise. Need baseball people to run a team.
This is just truly sad..Next yr will be a sh*t show
You can look thru my tweets, I’ve said this was coming since 2014.
Bill DeWitt, Jr., loyalty to Mozeliak has brought down Baseball Heaven.
I could see Goldie, Contreras, and Arenado in Milwaukee. They would have to take less money but Contreras could play with his brother and the Lock on Brewers guy said be open to all three. I'm happy to go young. If your over thirty you are gone.
You are so right about things being wrong. I'm still having philosophical differences. I thought I would retire and spend some more time at the ball park. That ain't happenin'. Everyone else knows when things aren't going well, you pay the guys at the top millions and keep the team. Here in bizzaro world we fire the team and keep the guys at the top. We had differences with Joe Torre and he did that Yankee thing. Let's let Oli get Tampa or Seattle their World series'. I can't figure out the Picasso that guys are creating. See you in a minimum of two years.
Dewitt doesn’t care
2.5 billion reasons why he dont any more
Like politicians blame everybody else but themselves very poor trades
I'm on board with that. The organization really needed to review his player development as they have either fail to produce player or couldn't get them to the level they were supposed to. So invest in player development overviewed by Bloom who did that with Rays and Red Sox.
This way the team doesn't need to patch holes with barely over replacement level and pay for it (Lynn, Gibson, Matz,...) instead of getting time for our prized prospects. You have then more payroll to get superstar to complement those good foundation and go for it.
Only thing I regret is that they use this investment process to justify cutting payroll at the MLB level.
IMO since 2011, the team has been downhill and trying to maintain a process that wasn't working. Even players we expected to carry the team failed to meet expectations (tsunami, wong,...) WE had some success story liké Carpenter being a late round who panes out. I find Mo did a good job by trying to maintain this process the best he could liké getting Arenado, Goldschmidt,... But the rest of the league has catch up on us and you see more error in trades, free agency,...
The Cardinals are probably doing Goldschmidt a favor. Hopefully, he will be offered a contract by a legitimate contender and have the opportunity to play for a championship, something he never did in St. Louis or never would have had the opportunity to do.
if goldy has a good year somewhere else it will prove he dogged it here
I just want to add it's kinda funny that last year "big changes" didn't come. We had to have a winning season to invoke big changes. Just cracks me up
Attendance will be DISMAL next year. How in the hell are you going to bring those two guys back. I'm out. somebody wake me when those two are gone.
I won't spend any money on tickets as long that oli is manager
You are so right
JD... How about some Mozeliak style quarter zip sweaters
I get keeping Mo as POBO next year. I have a feeling that some VERY unpopular moves are going to be made, such as moving on from Gray and 'Nado, maybe even Contreras. Definitely Helsley. Let Mo take the fan backlash from those moves. Give Bloom a shit-shield so that he doesn't get the same backlash that he did in Boston so that he can take over clean in '26.
Now, the one problem I DO see for next year, if they move on from all those stars, is How do you sell tickets? They need that revenue, even if they do massively slash payroll. If there's nobody the fans want to watch playing, how do you put butts in the seats? 2025 is looking to be a very lean year, from where I'm sitting.
Nice job sir
I have been a cardinal fan for most of my life. I’m 58 years old. I started watching it when I was a kid eight years old. I have seen the team be good be bad but never never this bad and it’s not the team. It’s the front office and they still keep them. They don’t wanna pay money for anything. They don’t wanna give money for anything. It’s a sad day and Cardinals history.
@KenPate-td1cu same here. I'm a couple of years older and have been a fan since a little kid, and wow, I don't get how cheap they are now days
ARENADO leaving and this team will definitely be like the White Sox there tearing down the wrong pieces, Mo should be outta of here!!
I'm agree
Nolan Arenado our 3b Platinum Cardinal has a no trade clause! Stay strong. Let’s surprise the division and just take it in 2025.
nado next year will have a monster year. hitting behind goldy all year ruined his psyche
Well if these two are back. I want be
Nope. Two year's of mediocrity and poor decision making. Not going to waste my money or time on a three peat. 😑👎
@@robertcrist5747 me either I hope more fans think the same way. I guess lose of fans don’t bother them one dang bit
Thanks for getting rid of the big red foam mic
Well, I hope DeWitt's are prepared to foot the bill on an Empty Stadium Due to the fact that MO and Oli are returning in their current rolls. That isn't an improvement so expect the same if not worst for next year
We need to build on the 83 wins What they have planned will not do that
So what they're saying is, "we hear you, we know you're upset with us (Ollie and Mo), so... but we're not going anywhere, so what we'll do is "re-vamp" our AA and AAA system under us, and we'll see ya next year!" This is disgusting, the fans fan spoken and they don't care. Fire Ollie and I'll support the team again. Until then, we bring our kids, parents and Grand parents for a team that clearly doesn't care about us.
I’m really disappointed that Goldy is going. I wish him the best. I don’t know what has happened in the club but I really hope it changes for the better. I’d hate to lost another team. 🥺
if they got rid after spring training cards would be in playoffs now
@@williamyoder-b5s I don't think so, IMO. Not all his fault by a long shot
@@debbie1483 it was his fault his motb in this lineup was worse than horrendous it was demoralyzing when ever he did not play the cardinals looked like a team for once
Go Royals 💙 🤘🏻
Posey now leading SFG and here comes Captain Bow tie in STL.
I’m still a Cardinals fan but I’m gonna follow where Skip goes on the regular.
I so apathetic about the leadership of JM and OM.
Funny the giants didn t improve
It's hard to believe that they'd rather sacrifice attendance to keep him on for another year instead of replacing him
Hey, looks like I am saving some cash next season.
No need to but tickets are hotel rooms
I mean if they are going to do a complete rebuild for 2025 Oli might as well be the manager lol 😂?! If Mo is better at GM than Bloom...which I don't know man lol, but if so why not have Mo in the rebuild!? I don't like a complete rebuild man! Especially moving on from Helsley, Contreras, and Arenado! I understand trading Helsley yes, but how do you replace him down the road? Contreras was one of our best hitters, and catchers stat wise this season.
Arenado's power numbers were down yes, but he still had above average offense in most other categories for an MLB 3B. Plus Arenado's defense was ranked 3rd best defensive in the MLB with only Ramirez and Machado ahead of him defensively! Also, Arenado's salary is going to incrementally decrease the next 3 seasons to $21 million in 2025, $16 million in 2026, and $15 million in 2027. He's a hard guy to replace man!
Gray's contract is going way up, so I understand wanting to trade him in a rebuild season. I'm actually ok from a partial rebuild, just not full fledged. I would love to move on from Mikolas and Matz, wanted that for last season lol!
I'm done. I can't watch them on TV anymore because of the craziness with Bally and now, after two disastrous seasons they decide to keep the Ollie and Mo and get rid of Goldy. Been a Cardinals fan for a long, long, time. Actually took my honeymoon to StL to watch the Cardinals in 1976. No more. Maybe I will become a White Sox fan. At least we know they are terrible and have no way to go but up - and I can watch them on TV. The brass at StL has decided to "blow up" the team and start over. The Cardinals have been one of the top teams in attendance for as long as anyone can remember will now look like the Marlins or Rays when attendance is announced. I know one family that has centered many, many short vacations around the Cardinals home schedule that will be spending our entertainment dollars elsewhere. It takes 2 1/2 hours to drive from my house to Busch. It takes 2 hours 1 minute to get to Guaranteed Rate Field. Cheaper tickets, better seats, easier drive, and a team that actually values its fans.
Play the great Patsy Clines Crazy.
That is this org. theme song.
Marmol should decline, and look for a baseball job somewhere else. He performed a miracle in 2024 keeping this senior league team above .500 for the year, and he has a Division championship on his resume. Staying in StL under Mo/Bloom and this front-office's dysfunction will only devalue him in the future. He should leave immediately for a better situation. Goldy could wind up in Milwaukee next year, and Gray in Cincinnati --- and both with added incentive every time they play the Cardinals. StL's fire sale this off-season will put the team below everybody else in the Division next year. Fans will stay away from the ball park even more than in 2024, and attendance won't be bolstered by so many corporate season ticket buyers. Great job, DeWitt.
letting goldy go is like detroit getting rid of baez it could only help in the long run
@@williamyoder-b5s I'm a Tigers fan since '68, and Cardinals fan since '64; there is no comparison between how bad Baez was versus Goldy's hitting decline, where Paul continued to drive in a lot of runs and hit 23 homers on a team that didn't put a lot of players on base to score much, he hit .267 from July 1 to end of season, so Goldy made adjustments to better his hitting, actually he was only bad in April and May; Baez was a .200 hitter who struck out all season, made no adjustments to improve, and from most accounts is a liability in the clubhouse; when the Tigers sat him, the Tigers won more games than with him playing.
I have a crazy idea. Will keep Paul Goldsmith and fire MO. Have Oli and Paul take on Mo's job and Paul gets final say.
you are very perceptive goldy has been running this team oli has always been his puppet
I was hard on mo an the front office but i do thnk most r over reacting they did admit there needed to b change and what they use to have success with was not working anymore and that they needed to improve to keep up so no matter how the words come off thats good enough for me i dont agree with most that things r way off we were basically a playoffs contender most of the yr the team as it stands 1b Burly 2b Donovan ss winn 3b arronado c contereas lf noot cf siani rf walker dh gorman with a rotation of #1grey#2pallante #3fedde#4mcgreevy #5mikolis/matz/free agent/ Thompson/and helsly as closer this aint a bad team the young guys could b bttr nxt yr and make a big difference so theres hope i agree with them we weren't that far away from postseason i thnk there is hope for nxt yr they move on from goldy lynn Gibson kittrigdge etc shed some payroll woopty doo thing's could b worse this team will b bttr now with them gone with the younger players playing a full yr people just need to give it a shot instead of always being negative go cards!!
Attendance is down? Take a look at the ballpark. It’s loud. The only time they don’t play loud rap music is when the batter is getting a pitch. Guests can’t talk, you can’t relax or chat with your kids. People leave after six innings because they can’t endure it any more.
They keep the yes men. Who would have thought that?
Now we see if the Season Ticket holders REVOLT at re-upping time!
The Cardinals got complacent.
The Reds talk about being a small market and usually end up below .500.
The Pirates usually end up in 5th place and do not spend money on free agents.
The Cubs are financially well off but they are the lovable losers.
Milwaukee is a small market but they find ways to have good seasons.
Cardinals now care about just getting into the playoffs as a wild card and hope for the best.
The next POBO will have the chance to hire a new manager.
I will not be retuning to the ball park until Oli and Mo are gone.
The front office gets rid of the better players but keep the problem
I'm sure you never go to games anyway.
Oh Cry Me a river 😂😂😂😂😂
Lifelong Cards fan, but keeping Moe and Marmol is ridiculous. They are no longer committed to winning. . They should have traded Goldy. Suck it up management, can Moe & Oli to get back on track to be a respectable team.
The point is, that competing simply to make the Wildcard is not good enough. The goal is to win a World Series. That means first of all winning the Division, and then going on to win the WS. Playing 500 ball with the hopes of the planets aligning in favour of a wildcard is not what Cardinal Fans want. Anything short of a World Series victory represents failure!
Getting rid of Paul Goldschmidt is just one of many problems that is currently there. The signings they have made last year during the off season and at the mid trade deadline were not great. All hitters from the Cardinals for the most part look lost at the plate swinging at pitches in the dirt, trying to hit the ball out the stratosphere. The fielding errors have not been great for the Cardinals this season as well. Also the pitching. Always behind in counts, throwing balls down the middle, can’t get quality starts. This organization entirely is a mess. There should be no reason the Cardinals are not competing for the wild card with the amount of potential talent they have on that roster.
Sounds like ownership still doesn't have a clue. Trying to cure a major problem with a bandaid. They need to clean house and rebuild and maybe in a year or two the can get back to the Cardinals way.
Too bad the Cardinals can not do both …. rebuild the farm system AND Stay competitive. Obviously an ownership decision. Likely not the only owners to do this. Will this be ok with fans ??? If lower attendance means the team can do less, will they eventually have to sell ?? Sell now while they are ahead ?? Guessing they hope young guys will win more games than people expect and fans will show up.
Tell Paul to take his batting coach with him. As far as the shirt for next year, poop emoji’s sound appropriate.
If Goldschimdt goes to the Brewers, they'll make him a solid bat again. And inevitably he'll hit 4 home runs and steal 4 bases every time he plays the Cardinals.
if they do that only proves he tanked it this year
I'm fine with Mo working his way out & giving chiam room to work out development stuff. But what in the hell does Marmol got on Skip. Answer : Nothing. He's minor league coach. Changing him out with Skip would have satisfied the majority of fans. Arenado & Contreras have got to be pissed. Colorado all over again.
If JD is correct, maybe he should do the tomorrow podcast with a brown bag on his head?
Aranado for pitching...
Nolan won't bring you anything you are just dumping his salary
What happened to Tommy Pham? He returned and then disappeared
When a corporation is heading in a downward direction you don't fire the workforce you replace the ceo and management . Pathetic
Goldsmith has 1 bad year and GONE ! I think that is a mistake. Do not care about Conteras. Marmol back HORRIBLE. Moe staying again... HORRIBLE. I think they will cut Goldy, Contreras and Arenado.
goldy is the key get rid of him the cardinals are playoff bounds goldy is a loser always a choke dog when you need him most he always chokes
I know ten people already that told me after that press conference their not buying season tickets for 2025! Good job cards killing your fanbase
wear a jake locker washington jersey why not
Don't show up next year. Fuck the Dewitts and the J Mo experience. It isn't even Olis fault at this point. It's all J Mo and Dewitts
If this is in fact true that they're both coming back I will not invest two cents or 2 minutes until they are both gone
I've always been a Cardinal fan, but never have I had such a lack of interest in the team, or for that matter, baseball in general. Just nothing to cheer or get excited about whatsoever. And now, all that ever comes to mind, is the constant information about what kind of an exorbitant contract a player gets.
I get keeping Oli another year but Mo? Seriously...the architect of all the problems gets to stay and start the rebuild? I didn't go out for any games this year. We usually come our once or twice a year from OKC for the express purpose of seeing a game. As long as Mo is there, my baseball dollars will be spent in other cities. I will see the Cardinals on the road. No more of my money goes to DeTwitt.
When folks are used to watching a team moving runners, swinging at strikes, not balls, a well-coached team with discipline and purpose; it becomes UNIVITING to pay to see a team of failed bats and giveaway victories for DEFEATS! Too much talent unharnessed.
Mo has a big ego. He has been as great and as big as he is in his own mind. After Mo pushed Jocketty out it was Larussa that kept the team together. Larussa wasn’t a yes man either was Schildt which is why they are gone. They have progressively gotten worse and I really don’t see them being much better until the leadership who can’t lead us gone.
So they never intended to keep Sonny they just signed him to appease the fans for a year. It’s just stupid I would argue we could get rid of Goldie, Nado, Mikolas and spend that money on starting pitching and go with the young position players and be a much better team.
they dont need starting pitching all they need is goldy gone
With those 2 around it’s a bad season again plus very small attendance.
I've been proudly following the cardinals for over 50 years and up until the last couple of years have been 100 percent behind them. But I'm done with these losers. When they start worrying about winning again and get rid of the trash I'll consider again but probably not. And I don't care if you think I'm a fairweather fan or not. Mozeliak has trashed this team
I'm not jumping on this Cardinals train ever again until Oli and Mo are gone. Sorry, but they (mainly Mo) are the reasons we keep sending away young talent that blossom on other teams. If we're going with a change in philosophy, then we need a complete change.
With Mozeilak making any decisions for the organization, they will never be a winning team again!
DeWitt has the money but.......tightwad
2.6 billion cardinals value...bill should just sell
my family is deep rooted as a cardinal fan. My father watched the Cardinals since he was a little boy and he died when he was 90 I’m 58 years older and followed it with him. I have never seen a team do with this team is doing disrespected its fans not willing to put money into the team and I am old-school. I don’t like spending $300 million on a player who is not worth 300 million but not willing to give normal price for a player. We’re not willing to make this team work. We’re not willing to build this team. I’m very upset. I am very angryphilosophy they’re talking about. There’s no need to change the philosophy. We go back to playing the cardinal way what happened to the cardinal
The Cards 2024 payroll ranked 11th in MLB; which isn't bad for a barely mid-market team. Yet teams with lower payrolls finished higher.
they also need to ditch mikolas he gives up too many runs
They need a minimum investment law put into the league. So penny pinching owners have to come off money every year to improve the team. Penalty is you have to sell the team if you won't properly invest in the team.
Cardinals adjusted payroll was at $175 million this past year. In what way was this penny pinching???
I get being upset about how the season ended…..but this wasn’t an issue with Bill DeWitt not spending money….Cards had the pieces to be a playoff caliber club. Shit simply did not pan out.
If Nolan Arenado and Paul Goldschmidt were performing 20% better this year they they wound up, this team is at 90 wins and are likely in the playoffs. This boils down to inconsistency with the young kids and a huge drop off of the studs.
Whoopsie doo four games over 500 wow in second place but we missed the playoffs again until we get rid of the two people that need to go Mo and Ollie marmel this team will never make the playoffs again
Attendance drop...... Sure, a lot of it has to do with team performance, but this was still a winning team. I think too many fans, reporters, writers, bloggers, etc..... completely ignore the overall state of the economy and people have less money for recreational activities. Even if someone already has the tickets, it can still be expensive to attend the game.
Mo & Ollie need to go? Not coming back if they're back? Not a serious fan if making those kind of comments IMO.
I've stuck with them no matter who the manager was. (Keane, Red, Boyer, Mathene just to name a few)
I may not agree or like decisions made, but I still watch and always will. Their record this year wasn't bad, its just that fans wanted more. Change is coming....Will it result in something positive? Time will tell.....
Moe is gone Goldie gone
Mo crashed the car. Yet gets too train the next driver. How insanely Stup%#.
your locked on nothing. You said 2 weeks ago Yadi was coming back as mgr in 2025! You don't know crap!~
Well I guess they don't get I keeping
Mo an ol a loser getting rid of Goldy another loser an as for. me an season ticket holders we won't be returning another loser for them sad but I hope more will turn in theirs also really sad
We bout to become the new moneyball team cutting payroll yearly penny pinching Dewitts ruined this team with mo
Cards 2024 payroll ranked 11th in MLB, which isn't bad for a barely mid-market team. Several teams had lower payrolls and better records. It's not always about the money.
I AM DONE. SEE YOU IN 2026. I WILL BE IN A BRAVES CAP. MOE AND OLI CAN GAVE THIS TRASH. THANKS JD FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 4:54
You hypocrites couldn t wait to see him gone when they lost to the dodgers in 21
THERE IS ONE REASON you retain MO... he knows everyone in the league. If you're going to GUT the team, he knows who might want different players, he might be better to make the trades with the goal of getting the Cardinals down to about 50 million in payroll. Get ready and start not using the TERM BEST FANS IN BASEBALL... the Cardinal fans will prove St Louis are NOT the best baseball fans. They support WINNERS like most other cities... PERIOD! Additionally we're NOT a baseball town St Louis is a FOOTBALL town like every other city. Sucks baseball is our #1 sport because now St Louis won' t be a sports destination. I also feel bad for all those business around the stadium that depend on people coming downtown... that isn't going to happen now. Look for multiple business to CLOSE over the next few years. This rebuild will take 5 years maybe longer.
Skip was available. Why didn’t we get him? He’s cardinals royalty and way better than oli. The only reasons olis first season was decent was because Skip was his bench coach. How do people not see this. And we wouldn’t need a rebuild completely if Oli and John were gone. Or smart. Trading Edman for Pham and fedde was dumb. Keeping Mikolas would be dump. Getting rid of Sonny or Arenado would be really dumb. Quit hiring old players for a reunion tour or a last ride season. I can see one that doesn’t play much and doesn’t earn much but they piled the old guys on this year. I can’t believe we’re even at this point. This is the first year in I don’t know how long that I didn’t go to a single home game. Usually I make sure to go for opening and/or closing day and a time or 2 in between but they made me not want to spend my money this year.
I'm done. Fuck this franchise. They're doing what should've been done literally 8 years ago, now with the same two problems in dewitt and moron running the show.
Maybe it's not fair bc I've been a cowboys, cardinals and bulls fan my entire life and the other two have given me 30 years of bullshit that I got no more rope to give with this franchise. Probably because unlike the other two I've been going to cardinals games so there's a physical connection unlike with the other two.
The only prospect of rumored teams interested in Gray or speculative teams, is the c/1b prospect in Baltimore who's 20 in AAA with a 60 hit and power tool grade. Baltimore might be willing to part with him given their young nucleus and position to win now for Gray or Gray plus Helsley. All the other prospects feom speculative teams don't turn me on at all especially given their farm systems blow, or prospects are there years away and of course Gray isn't ohtani so they won't let go of their top guys.
I'm fine moving helsley. You took him to arbitration for a million dollars. As little as that sounds history states players rarely if ever stay long-term with a team that fights them in arbitration.
I'm fine with Nado being moved and eating money
I'm not fine with Gray being moved bc shocked your one move that was going for it, didn't carry your team to 95 wins.
Burnes with a big bat trade and coaching overhaul has you back to 95 wins with the kids playing. But no we're the dollar store of baseball now
You think Burnes and a big bat gets this team to 95 wins…..Unless that bat is Aaron Judge, you are high as a fucking kite 😂😂😂
Yeesh, the more emotional fans get, the dumber the ideas become….